Not The Role Model Hoped For

I remember reading of how Ahn Chang-ho help instill civil spirit, pride and honorable virtues in the Korean expatriate communities in California, Hawaii and Mexico.  I think he would be appalled to pick up the paper and read how one established and well-known Korean business in the US is now under investigation for enslaving Chinese-Koreans and hosting prostitution – Spa World in Fairfax County, Virginia.

Update:

It seems there is more of a back story to the events at Spa World – the spa owner and some clients reportedly were uncomfortable with at least one transgender customer and thought they could simply ban the LGBT crowd, however, this is a political and social issue (as demonstrated through this facebook page and has caused them trouble due to their misunderstanding of the issues involved. As a result of the backlash against the spa, Spa World has clarified its position, stating that they do not bar gays or transgenders and that they are welcomed.

Reading through the reports, it seems that some customers were uncomfortable being around one transgender customer and complained to Spa World management.  They asked her to leave, setting into motion a series of events that may or may not have lead up to the charges involving enslavement and prostitution.  The spa has every right to discourage people from having sex on the premises, as since it seems that some people think that Spa World is a great sex hookup spot!

One interesting result of all this is that since Fairfax County and Virginia have no laws prohibiting discrimination by businesses against members of the lesbian-gay-bisexual-transgendered community, this incidence may prompt political action to address this issue.

I should put Wangkon down as a direct contributor to this thread as well.  Thank you to everyone that added to this thread!

  • redwhitedude

    Unlike Korea they can’t get away with it in the US.

  • redwhitedude

    At least it is a step up from China, which is about redefining what “legal” is.

  • flyingsword

    How does Korea demand Japan apologize for comfort women when Koreans are doing the exact same thing?

    Of course, even in the time of Japanese occupation most of the flesh peddlers were actually Koreans selling their own country women (and men) to the Japanese. Guess things never change.

    ‘Korean agents, Korean Kempeitai (military police) and military auxiliaries were involved in the procurement and organization of comfort women, and made use of their services.[59]
    Chong-song Pak found that “Koreans under Japanese rule became fully
    acculturated as main actors in the licensed prostitution system that was
    transplanted in their country by the colonial state”.[60]
    Even after World War II, the legacies of the comfort women system remained deeply entrenched in Korean society. During the Korean War,
    the South Korean military institutionalized a “special comfort unit”
    similar to the one used by the Japanese military during World War II.’

    Brook, Tim . Collaboration: Japanese Agents and Local Elites in Wartime China (Cambridge, Mass.: Harvard University Press, 2005), pp. 1-13, 240-48

    Chong-song, Pak. ‘Kwollok kwa maech’un [Power and prostitution]’ Seoul: In’gansarang, 1996.

  • redwhitedude

    In Japan’s case it was sanctioned by the government/military. In Korea’s case it wasn’t and it is considered criminal but the enforcement has been somewhat lax.

    BTW stop cherry picking passages.

    Also according to the US state department Japan is a worse offender in the issue of human trafficking which is very closely tied with these activities.

  • pawikirogii

    yawn. keep talking, hentai man.

  • RElgin

    Is it that you and every other troll on the internet can not make the distinction between the actions sponsored a government and the actions of some low-class business man!?

    Should I label you a troll and start banning your nonsense from posts?

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    Watch the ABC 7 news segment in the link. The young manager cracks up laughing and says, “That’s actually funny!” when asked about the allegations. The manager should have been bitch-slapped.

    Unpaid wages, confiscated belongings, punishing employees who complained to authorities, fining employees who quit, gay and transgender bans, an elderly woman drowning due to safety violations, claiming “language barriers” as an excuse…. It sounds as if a hagwon owner opened a spa in Virginia.

  • RElgin

    Unlike here in Korea, he will not be laughing too much longer when the authorities finally deal with this and now that it has made the papers, that won’t be much longer.

  • wangkon936

    I remember this guy. The scary think is that he might be getting a regular paycheck from the U.S. government.

  • Sumo294

    Spa World pissed off the LBGT community in the DC metro area for refusing to make it into a gay paradise. I would take this with a grain of salt, this is likely more about payback for the snubs.

  • RElgin

    According to whom? Sources?
    I will not jump to conclusions or speculate, as you have done, but just why would a news reporter put out such a slanderous report if there was nothing behind their story? We would already be hearing of a lawsuit if that were the case.

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    What is payback? Employees reporting serious labor and human rights violations? You think they are reporting these because they’re upset about gay rights? I’m thinking the employees are pissed off about half a million dollars in unpaid wages.

  • Sumo294

    Of course they were breaking laws–it was a family business–they will be under intense scrutiny because of their politically incorrect views. The conservative groups who were convicted of tax fraud were all breaking the law but it was clear that they targeted due to political bias. Koreans in general don’t realize that their business revenue when it becomes large enough are subject to American culture and perceptions. They were naive to think that using Korean employees and doing business in house would make them immune to laws of the land. At the end of the day–its going to cost them five to ten million in lawyer fees and about an equal amount in fines and someone will go to jail for about six months under a fed deal. It won’t break the family but they will learn how to become more professional about operations after the ordeal.

  • Sumo294

    What you say is absolutely true. I have never met an unscrupulous journalist in my life. Every journalist I have met has been politically unbiased and very conscious of being above ethnicity and culture. Journalists are a rare breed of people who see the intrinsic truth in everyday events and are able to communicate that idea in 500 words or less. I find it refreshing that journalists are able to commit themselves to high ethical behavior all the while working for slave wages. It is all the more incredible that they work for corporations that operate for profit but are able to overcome the inherent dangers of conflicts of interest due to their taking incredible and wonderful and amazing courses learning from most famous and awesome professors at selective and expensive universities.

  • Dan Strickland

    Your remark noting that Koreans were involved in the procurement of sex slaves is
    disingenuous. Whenever a country is occupied, one of the more tragic
    effects is that there will be those who choose to collaborate with the
    invaders. It does not reduce the criminality of the occupation.

  • wangkon936

    Whenever a country is conquered, there is always a portion of the native population that’s looking at their friends and neighbors being abused and exploited and tell themselves that they will do whatever they can to not be in that group. Thus, they become collaborators.

    Interesting line from the movie remake “Red Dawn,” the movie where supposedly North Korea conquers part of the U.S.:

    “Collaborators?”

    “Yes. It was bound to happen.”

    To assume that what happened in Korea was any different than what happened in Ireland, South Africa, any number of Nazi conquered countries, etc. is the epitome of historical ignorance.

  • djson1

    If this is proven to be all true, this is absolutely horrible and a complete shame to the Korean-American community (once again).
    I also think it’s ridiculous when you see reporters interviewing random people they met in the parking lot about it, like that ABC news reporter did. Yeah, like those parking lot patrons’ uninformed opinion is not going to be swayed by the set-up by the reporter.

  • wangkon936

    I don’t know about the particulars of this situation, but I can tell you that the Koreans in the U.S. create some very nice spa facilities that do sometimes attract the gay ilk. I was at an older Korea spa in Los Angeles, that, although older, had some pretty nice facilities and it was mostly white clientele. I didn’t mind at all. At first I thought it was kinda cool. That was until I started seeing some of the customers kissing each other, among other things, in the nude same sex areas.

    Listen, I am not at all prejudiced towards homosexuals in most situations, but I’m sorry, I can’t handle being nude around people making out with each other and giving oral sex to each other openly in spaces that are suppose to be shared. I now feel uncomfortable in Korean spas that attract a mostly foreign clientele.

    Now, Koreans may have the same percentage of their population that’s homosexual (around 1-3%), but the unwritten (and well observed) cultural expectation is whatever your orientation may be, you keep that shit private and just enjoy the spa facilities as purely spa facilities and nothing more.

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    Again, it was employees who reported the spa, not gay former customers. Where is your evidence for the connection between the spa’s LGBT discrimination and this current investigation?

    I’m thinking if the allegations are true, the spa probably won’t be around to serve Russians and Koreans.

  • wangkon936

    Mike,

    That’s a valid question to ask. Having said that, I’ve had personal experience with homosexuals in a Korean spa. It’s not very fun if you are heterosexual. Personally? I think homosexuals should have their own spa houses they should go to. Heterosexuals go to spas to relax and unwind. Homosexuals go to spas to unwind too, but to also find sexual partners and sometimes to even have sex. The two camp’s mutual missions are fundamentally different. I don’t know what the answer is, but it’s really hard for me to unwind and relax if two guys next to me in a steam room are making out.

  • Truthseed

    LOL nice. Who really respects the news media anymore (if anyone ever did)? Who really thinks they don’t have interests and agendas of their own, just like any other power structure? They’re just like the schools, corporations, government, etc.

  • Sumo294

    The allegations are completely true–its too obvious. Its also obvious that the LBGT guys and gals will see this all the way through to the full extent of the law.

  • Truthseed

    If he actually banned homosexuals and other deviants, he deserves applause. It’s the other allegations that are disturbing.

  • Sumo294

    The heart of the problem was that Spa World was trying very hard to remain a spa for Korean families–they did not see the writing on the wall. The LBGT community was initially split about tactics because they liked going there–but as always the hardcore leftists win out–and Mike may be right–it might go belly up if the owner gets fed up with the process. This is exactly the type of loud mentality that needs to stay away from Korea.

  • wangkon936

    Well, I also agree with Mike in that you’re going to need more evidence that conjecture and hearsay. So will the owner of the spa!

  • Sumo294

    I am from the area–we all knew he had problems with the LBGT group–I also know how their politics works–I knew eventually they would get him on something. I am laughing right now because the guy jacked up the prices to get rid of the gay guys but they just kept on paying the forty dollars to get in. The Russians in that area are rich–they just payed. Korean families were offered coupons through our local supermarkets that made it affordable for us gerbils. The tragically funny thing was that the more he fought them the more rich he became. He had no idea he was on the front line of America’s culture war. I have this funny image of him in my head of him scratching his head looking at heaps of money–wondering where this was all leading to–if only he knew that the money was going to go to his lawyers.

  • Dan Strickland

    You do realize we’re in complete agreement and saying the same thing, wangkon? I’m a little uncertain, so just checking.

  • wangkon936

    Yes. The Russians and the gays like Korean spas. I don’t mind the Russians. They have a similar “don’t ask, don’t tell” spa cultural policy as the Koreans.

    Everything will eventually shake out and the truth will be obvious in the end, at least that’s what I think in my book.

  • wangkon936

    Yes, I realize we are in complete agreement. I am “adding” and expanding (in a positive manner, I hope) to your comment.

  • wangkon936

    BTW… I think it’s kinda cute when Russians go to a Korean spa. They are the ones going all out and ordering huge plates of dopoki, doenjang and kimchi jjigae and pick their plates clean. You can tell who’s not Russian because they are the white folks that might order beef or chicken fried rice and nervously pick at their plate like it’s some sort of exotic dish and then only eat half. Oh, and regular white people will come by themselves or with a spouse. Russians bring a gang of people or, like the Koreans, their family.

  • Sumo294

    Honestly–Koreans are going to have run spas like country clubs–by membership only. Also, invite the Russians and Nigerians. It will confuse the hell out of the natives–“wait, white people do go in, hey wait a sec, black people are going in as well–what the heck?” Selectivity via the way White Americans run their so called racially inclusive golf courses.

  • wangkon936

    I don’t know about that, but I don’t want Margaret Cho to get in:

    http://jezebel.com/5992256/in-a-room-full-of-naked-koreans-margaret-chos-body-is-an-unwelcome-sight

    Hey Margaret Cho! Ajummas don’t like to see your fat, ugly tatted up body. Is that so surprising? I mean, they can handle fat, ugly and old because most of them are in various degrees of those three deadly sins any ways. But having 70% of your body tatted up is a bit much for an ajumma to HAVE TO LOOK AT. You of all people should know that. It’s par for the course.

    I can understand her getting mad at that, but what’s kinda sad is she had to use the “don’t you know who I am” line to retaliate! What an effing ego.

  • bigmamat

    I don’t know why you insist on including the lesbians and transgendered. I have a very good suspicion there aren’t very many trannies or lesbians using a Korean spa for picking up partners. What heterosexual men refuse to recognize is that homosexual men are still men. I asked a gay friend of mine once why homosexual men seemed to be so “promiscuous”. He said, more promiscuous than heterosexual men? He said, Honey men are just horny.

  • wangkon936

    We have testosterone. Makes us do weird shit.

  • bigmamat

    Yeah well I’m so don’t even try to tell me about hormones….

  • flyingswordfuckingdiepainfully

    fucking moron, I’d gladly fucking tear your fucking jugular vein out and let you spurt blood like a geyser, and watch you die in agony.

  • pawikirogii

    most statistics show gay men have an average of 1000 sex partners by the age of 40. straight men are far behind this statistic. gay men would be wise to examine their behavior.

  • Truthseed

    Homosexual men (and women) would be wise to give up their vile behavior altogether. Homosexuality is deviancy and sin.

  • pawikirogii

    i have no comment on that but i will say that aids infections are once again climbing in the gay community but hey, they got medicine for that, right? back to business as usual.

  • Truthseed

    If you can’t ban homosexuals from your establishment, then probably the next best thing is to ban indecent behavior of any kind inside the spa.

  • bigmamat

    I’m pretty sure your statistic is a crock of shit. The last I could find was 2013 that indicated the partner rate for gay males had gone down from 2.9 to 2.3 per year. Maybe you just pulled this figure out of your heterosexual ass or you mistook the figure for Gene Simmons bio.

  • Truthseed

    The owners cannot allow such gross, deviant behavior in their establishment. Since they can’t legally ban homosexuals, they need to introduce strict rules banning indecent behavior of any kind. Very likely all indecent behavior will come from homosexual clients.

  • bigmamat

    You do understand that anything besides man on top get it over with quick is considered deviancy by some people. Plus a lot of us aren’t worried about going to hell.

  • Truthseed

    It’s no coincidence (or surprise) that since you aren’t worried about going to hell, you also wouldn’t see the sick and disgusting nature of homosexuality itself.

    You should be worried, because hell is *very* real. Homosexuality is condemned in the Old and New Testament. It is a vile sin, that cannot be tolerated in healthy, normal societies. Time for you to get right with God now.

  • bigmamat

    Or what? I’m going to hell? I’m more afraid of you than I am of hell.

  • Truthseed

    Yes, you are going there. Unless you renounce and repent of the sin of homosexuality. Hell is the place of eternal suffering for homosexuals and their defenders.

  • pawikirogii

    i would never pull that kind of statistic out of my ass, bigmamat!

  • cactusmcharris

    See, it’s people like you that give Christianity a bad name, as you’re acting quite un-Christ-like.

  • Truthseed

    Because I condemn homosexuality, which is also condemned in the Bible? It is an act of CHARITY to condemn homosexuality, and to inform homosexuals that they need to renounce and repent of their sin. Contrary to what you’ve been taught, homosexuals are NOT born that way.

  • cactusmcharris

    Your self-righteousness is really overwhelming. It’s no act of charity. Charity would be changing an AIDS patient’s diaper, but I don’t suppose you’d do that.

  • Truthseed

    Charity requires that we tell the truth, to save others from damnation. The truth is that homosexuality is a mortal sin, condemned in the Bible.

    Homosexuality is naturally abhorrent to normal people. It’s a genetic dead end, leading to the end of the human race. It’s the cause of all kinds of diseases. Thus human nature screams out that it’s disordered and wasn’t intended by God.

  • RElgin

    What is it with you and this LBGT!?
    This is not about the gay community but about a Korean-American firm that is engaged in very illegal activity.
    Are you going to start hollering about Cholla commies next!?

  • Truthseed

    Charity is telling the truth, to save souls. The truth is that homosexuality is condemned in the Bible, and is a mortal sin.

    To be charitable is to tell homosexuals that they are in danger of losing their souls unless they renounce and repent of their sin.

  • RElgin

    Please do not post any more off-topic, specious nonsense on my threads or I will start deleting your entries.

  • Sumo294

    This is very much a local issue that has national implications. The LBGT community wants to shut down all businesses that do not actively support Loud American LBGT culture. They feel a family going to the spa should be exposed to two gay people engaged in a public sex act as a part of normative behavior. The more the mainstream public is exposed to these acts and at an earlier age will make it in their belief part of normal everyday American culture. This type of mentality is exactly the stuff I do not want infecting Korean culture.

  • redwhitedude

    Don’t forget that pointing a gun at somebody’s head will pretty much get them to collaborate in an overwhelming majority of cases.

  • pawikirogii

    wangkon, are you talking bout k spas in america? russians eating korean food like twenjang? hard to believe. do you have to be naked? that’s why i don’t want to go.

  • wangkon936

    What you say sounds kinda logical, but you have offered nothing but hearsay evidence to back it up. Even a Korean language article on the issue would be helpful to bring to the table.

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    I sure hope somebody sees this through to the full extent of the law. I don’t care if the LGBT community is pushing this or not. The allegations are beyond reprehensible.

    wangkon – I completely agree that sexual behavior should be prohibited in general spas. A hefty fine and enforcement should do the trick.

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    I remember that article. I can’t stand Margaret Cho, mostly because she identifies so much with being Asian/Korean in her work, yet she doesn’t seem to have a clue about Korea/Korean society. And she’s just not funny. I’d call myself reasonably feminist and liberal, but politically correct liberal feminists do NOT make funny comedians.

    I respect the spa’s right to kick her out for her tattoos, however I also respect (and admire) her for criticizing the spa by name for their actions. I just think it’s stupid when she says “I have a right to be naked.” No, no you don’t.

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    “You should be worried, because hell is *very* real.”

    Citation, please.

  • Truthseed

    And what if they are pushing this? Then the payback theory starts to make perfect sense.

    The LGBT are now a powerful interest group. This isn’t to excuse the charges (if they’re true), but if you are a business owner, and you take a stand against indecency or deviancy, as the spa owner apparently did, then you risk being the target of retaliation.

  • Sumo294

    If you run a google search for spa world and LBGT you will start to see the history–but your right–the salacious gossip mill in the VA Korean American community is running full hilt.

  • Truthseed

    “I completely agree that sexual behavior should be prohibited in general spas. A hefty fine and enforcement should do the trick.”

    As I posted earlier, strict rules against sexual behavior on the premises are the only way to get homosexuals to behave properly.

  • Sumo294

    The Russians have a long history of going to steam rooms in their land. They are more hardcore as they beat themselves with bundles of twigs to stimulate blood flow–they look like self flogging monks. Yeah you have to be naked–I played a lot of team sports in HS and college so I am used to showering naked with other guys–so transitioning into the spa culture in Korea is no problem. In Korea–unless you are in a great apartment–your chances of getting decent water pressure and a dependable source of hot water can be hit or miss–so the spa is the only way to get a consistent great shower and soak.

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    If you are gay, you risk being the target of discrimination.

    The “retaliation” that you mention is investigating the owner for slavery, unpaid wages, and prostitution. He had it coming either way.

  • bigmamat

    Technically I’m not a homosexual. I probably couldn’t even be termed a big slut either considering the volume of my sex partners doesn’t exceed the number of my fingers. I have however on occasion disrespected my parents. Taken the lord’s name in vain and coveted someone else’s stuff. I’ve worked on Sunday more times than I can keep track and probably broken a few other mosaic laws that I don’t even know about. Thanks for the advice but I’ll just take my chances.

  • bigmamat

    Well you didn’t provide a link either did you? Get over it. There aren’t hordes of burly homosexuals roving the streets looking to include you in their body count. I think you’re safe.

  • Truthseed

    Homosexuals have laws on their side. The news media are solidly behind them. Even the GOP supports them. So-called “same-sex marriage” will be law of the land in all 50 states by 2016. Discrimination against them is virtually impossible in this political climate, without being the target of retaliation. Try to refuse to bake a wedding cake for them (like that baker did recently), or publicly state that you find homosexuality abhorrent in your establishment. Let’s see what happens. Which one is the powerful one? Which one has the power to get his/her way?

    Like I said: the charges, if true, show the owners were wrong. OTOH, if they arose due to retaliation from vengeful homosexuals angered by the owners refusal to allow perversion in his spa, then the larger (and more significant) point is the power of homosexuals in modern America to push their way into areas where they are not wanted, and to retaliate against those who find them and their behavior disgusting, sinful, and a public health threat. And this has global repercussions too.

  • DC Musicfreak

    Somebody had to point out the obvious pro-LBGT agenda of Virginia law enforcement. Yup, all those big-bellied redneck southern cops are secretly working to make the world safe for queers and trannies.

  • Truthseed

    You lack the fear of hell, and that is very unwise. That’s not something you want to take chances with.

    I strongly advise you to re-consider. You may find yourself there someday. But by then, it will be too late, because those who go there, stay there forever.

  • Sumo294

    You mean the Dulles area corridor that houses all the IT companies that service the federal government? Or perhaps you refer to the Leesburg/Centerville white collar professionals who commute to their federal jobs everyday? In terms of enforcement jurisdiction–you mean this case which has gone federal is of course somehow subject to the whims of local law enforcement being helped by the likes of the local town sheriff? By the way–DC no longer listens to Chuck Brown on the radio.

  • bumfromkorea

    My gay friends would certainly like to claim that they’ve conquered 1000 men, sure. But the reality is far, far, far lonelier for them.

  • bumfromkorea

    As you’ve said, gay guys are still guys. The rule of the three still applies. 😀

  • bigmamat

    So should I be looking forward to eternal fire or something even more torturous, if there is such a thing? Do you think it could actually get worse than what some people have to endure in life prior to this cosmic relocation? I’m not going to say my life has been a living hell but it could have been better in a few places. I think your warning would work better if you actually had even a shred of evidence that such a place could possibly exist outside of a live volcano. It’s seems to escape you that I find your dire warnings creepy and comical at the same time.

  • bigmamat

    You must live in my part of the state…

  • bigmamat

    You are right about one thing. He’s not talking about Fairfax county. I’d say the Koreans have quite a bit of pull considering they got the governor,s pandering ass to agree to changing the textbooks. One thing is for sure he didn’t know jack about Asian politics when he made that promise.

  • bigmamat

    He’s not acting un-Christian he’s acting unhinged.

  • bigmamat

    You don’t honestly think homosexuals haven’t heard this warning more than once or loud and clear, do you? Now you’re just being a nag. Nobody likes to be reminded over and over when they don’t give a damn what you think anyway. I’m curious do you think this gets you a better seat in heaven because you’re “charitable” enough to keep reminding people they’re going to hell? Wouldn’t your heavenly payout be even better if you did something substantial to please god like minister to the sick, the imprisoned, you know love your neighbor and all that shit? Seems to me I remember something about that as well. Sounds like you’ve taken the lazy guy’s way to heaven to me. You must be happy with the nosebleed seats.

  • DC Musicfreak

    I was merely milking your bat shit insane conspiracy theory for all the laughs it’s worth. The guy ran a shady operation, cut lots of corners that are not cuttable like they are in Korea, and he happened to have primordial views on human rights. Prostitution busts at Korean bathhouses and massage parlors are frequent across the English-speaking world.

  • bigmamat

    Look you’d have to be in an 80’s rock band or live to be 400 in order for the average guy to meet this statistic. It’s pulled straight out of his clutched sphincter You have no idea the comical but NSFW comments that come to my mind about where he came up with this comment. So we should stop before I’m even more tempted to go there.

  • pawikirogii

    i was in the military and there was lots of nudity but i was ok with that because it was like a brotherhood if that makes any sense to you. but a spa with mandatory nudity? we humans can live with our contradictions, i suppose. have a good day, sumo.

  • RElgin

    Man, throw in aliens from the red dimension and you have a William S. Burroughs novel.

  • Truthseed

    If homosexuals are supporting this drive to prosecute the owners, and if their motives stem from the owner’s action to stop homosexual behavior on the premises, then you BET this has to do with LGBT.

  • bumfromkorea

    This is what’s in store for you:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXEx1WRpNA0&feature=kp

  • Truthseed

    No, that statistic is basically correct, and supported by research. Homosexual men are **extremely** promiscuous. They go through hundreds of partners during their lifetimes, sometimes reaching 1000 or even more.

    Also, there is a very low rate of monogamy in homosexual male relationships. Homosexual men generally do not practice sexual fidelity, as outside hook-ups are the norm. OTOH married couples (between men and women) are clearly more faithful to one another, by a long shot, something like 70-80%.
    http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02

    I must say, for someone who claims not to be “technically” homosexual (sounds like you’re almost admitting to something there), you sure are a fierce advocate of homosexual men and their cause.

  • wangkon936
  • wangkon936

    Whoa, there’s a Facebook page dedicated to a LBGT sponsored boycott of the place:

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-Spa-World-in-Centreville-VA/402477709847675

  • wangkon936

    Elgin,

    Given the links I’ve found, you may want to provide an update to this post with the new information?

  • wangkon936

    Wow… this article from a gay magazine admits there are Craigs List ads seeking to “hook-up” at Spa World…. wow. Just wow…

    http://www.gayrva.com/news-views/nova-craiglist-hotspot-spa-world-kicks-out-assumed-trans-woman/

    If true, no wonder the owner of the spa is pissed!

  • Truthseed

    Well, well, well. Interesting and informative links, indeed.

    So there IS a connection between LGBT and the spa… this is **very much** about the homosexual community. It isn’t just some isolated case of a Korean-American firm doing some illegal things.

  • Truthseed

    I provided one for you. Check it out:

    http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02

  • Truthseed

    “Look you’d have to be in an 80’s rock band or live to be 400 in order for the average guy to meet this statistic.”

    No, not if you’re a homosexual male. Homosexual males frequently engage in anonymous pick-ups, which seems to be the norm, going by research. And since men are far more receptive to having anonymous sex than women are, it’s very easy to see that homosexual men have many 100s of partners.

  • pawikirogii

    i think some people owe sumo an apology.

  • bigmamat

    Damn dude they nailed it.

  • Guest

    You didn’t actually link me to the family research council.

  • RElgin

    Okay, I found links indicating this as well.
    Geez, why couldn’t you throw a couple of links out to demonstrate your contentions, otherwise you come off sounding a bit odd.

  • RElgin

    This seems to be true, upon reading through more articles on the spa. Being a business owner, in such an environment, is trying. This means they need to have some means of enforcing no sex in the spa without discrimination.

  • RElgin

    You are right. It is updated as of now and I listed you as a direct contributor.

  • Truthseed

    Let’s not jump the gun now. After all, we don’t want to post off-topic, specious nonsense. LOL

  • Truthseed

    Let’s not jump the gun now. After all, we don’t want to post off-topic, specious nonsense.

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    No, we don’t. Nobody denied the LGBT controversy at Spa World. But Sumo postulated that this labor investigation is retaliation for Spa World’s LGBT stance, without providing any evidence or reasoning.

  • bigmamat

    Even if the gay people ratted him out are the allegations baseless? If the spa owner was having trouble with illicit sex happening in his establishment then he should have reported the people doing it. I’m pretty sure it’s not legal to engage in sexual activity in public in VA. Virginia still has some fairly archaic laws on the books even if they aren’t being enforced on a regular basis. Adultery is still technically illegal in the state, so is cohabitation. I’m thinking the spa owner didn’t report people for having sex in his establishment because he had something to hide. Now that his business practices are out in the open it’s very easy to whip up support that’s he’s being framed by the gay people.

    That’s not to say that gay male hook up culture isn’t it’s own worst enemy. I won’t pretend I understand why it seems imperative that gay men have some kind of public venue to get together. Airport restrooms, public parks, bathhouses just seem to be asking for negative attention from the heterosexual community. How is this type of behavior necessary in today’s world where there are plenty of ways for people to meet each other for sex or relationships now? I wonder what type of gay man engages in anonymous sex, are they still closeted, or is there an excitement factor that comes into play with the danger of being caught? I suppose there is some reason for this behavior that goes deeper than men are just shameless and horny.

  • bigmamat

    With just a simple google search it’s pretty clear the current problem with Spa World in Farifax VA isn’t about gay rights. The incident from 2013 in which a transgendered person reported being asked to leave to the better business bureau resulted in nothing but a few gay people on SNS suggesting a boycott. This new controversy was brought about by a report from a 60 year old employee in December who had not been paid.

    http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2014/07/08/at-spa-world-questions-of-abduction-and-willful-refusal-to-pay-wages/

  • Truthseed

    He probably should have imposed decency rules in his establishment in the 1st place. But then, nobody really expects indecent behavior from mature, normal people in a spa… except from homosexuals (more often than not, male). So the owner was basically blindsided.

    That doesn’t mean the allegations are baseless, but it does mean that there’s a homosexual angle, which can’t be ignored. And this gets to the motives of the LGBT crowd, which is to normalize deviancy and perversion.

    Homosexuals are a powerful group now. They can push their way into areas where they are not wanted. And they can and will retaliate against those who oppose them. This is something that concerned citizens who care about decency and a healthy community should discuss and be aware about.

  • Truthseed

    Your male-bashing is not only both silly and immature, it’s also very slimy, since it blurs distinctions between homosexual and non-homosexual male behavior.

    Unlike homosexual males, non-homosexual males don’t go to spas for hook-ups. As non-homo males are not lust-driven by the sight of un-clothed men, they go there simply to use the spa as it was intended for. That is why their behavior is generally decent, whereas homo male behavior isn’t.

    Your refusal to acknowledge the abnormal nature of homosexuality is at the root of your problem. Hence, your gratuitous questions regarding their perverted behavior.

  • Truthseed

    You didn’t deny it, but neither did you acknowledge that there was more to these charges either. And this controversy cannot be separated from the charges leveled against the spa.

    Anytime a business opposes or thwarts homosexual behavior, this puts the LGBT in the spotlight. And since the goal of the LGBT is to normalize deviancy and perversion, this necessarily invites debate and discussion on their ultimate aims and motives.

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    “…neither did you acknowledge that there was more to these charges either.
    And this controversy cannot be separated from the charges leveled
    against the spa.”

    Evidence, please.

  • Truthseed

    Your question is dishonest. You’re not going to find a “smoking gun.” You’re not going to find some tape recording where a group of homosexuals are discussing how to get back at a business who doesn’t like them.

    No, there is a definite correlation. The fact is, homosexuals are a powerful group today, supported in just about every institution: the news media, business, education, the military, government, even the GOP. Anyone who opposes them is going to get payback.

    Don’t agree? If you’re a business owner who finds homosexuality sinful or abhorrent, try publicly opposing them like refusing to bake them a wedding cake, or refusing homo couples in a B&B. Who has the power to get their way, you or them?

    Any time a group with the national clout and influence as LBGT is opposed, chances are, they will retaliate. They’ve done so before, and it’s no surprise at all if they did so with the Korean spa owner, who took a stand against their behavior.

  • bigmamat

    I not only refuse to acknowledge the abnormal nature of homosexuality I also refuse to acknowledge that women and men engage in the same kind of behaviors regardless of sexual preference. Lesbians are about as different from homosexual men as women and men are different. As for homosexual men going to spas for hook ups the practice is so old it started in ancient Greece and continues to this day. The current problem with Spa World isn’t about homosexuality. It’s about illegal labor practices. There’s no law in Virginia that protects people based on sexual orientation.

  • Truthseed

    Well, if you refuse to acknowledge their inherent abnormality, that’s really it. That indicates a disorder on your part. And that disorder will cloud your entire world view — which is why you insist that there is no homosexual angle, **when in fact there clearly is**

    I’m not interested in the homosexual sub-culture. Neither do I care what the ancient Greeks did. That doesn’t change the disordered nature of homosexuality.

    There’s no such thing as a normal homosexual. Homosexuality by its very nature is abnormality and deviance.

  • piratariaazul

    Not sure how (1) failure to follow wage & hour/labor laws relates to (2) the SPAs policy on gays & lesbians.

    Unless the allegations of wage & hour/labor law violations were made up, who reported the violations (or triggered/supported the reporting) shouldn’t matter. No?

  • bigmamat

    Like I said anything but the “missionary position” even between heterosexual couples has been called abnormal by someone at some point. So I don’t worry to much about what some people consider normal. I’ve been accused of being “different” my whole life and it has nothing to do with my sexual orientation since all my relationships have been heterosexual. Being “normal” isn’t a state that those of us who are determined to be “abnormal” really have much control over.

  • Truthseed

    “…all my relationships have been heterosexual.” Even so, you are still not immune to disorder, as your vigorous support and defense of homosexuality indicates. A big clue is when one de-constructs the meaning of “normal” rendering it virtually meaningless.

    As I said earlier, if you refuse to acknowledge that homosexuality is abnormal, then it’s no surprise you will ignore the connection between the LGBT and the spa issue — and chances are, you will do all you can to prevent others from seeing the connection as well.

  • RElgin

    Here in Korea, there are large spas that provide in-house sex services (cash only) for men. It is very heterosexual.
    Maybe you missed reading the news while you were sitting in church one Sunday . . .

  • RElgin

    There was one other restaurant owner up in New York that was busted for not paying employees and coercing them to work overtime without being paid. This report reminded me of that. The transgender incident just demonstrates management problems compounded by a lack of social awareness. Their patrons complained about the mannish woman in the spa originally.

    If it is a family spa, they do need to keep any sex in the place.

  • bigmamat

    I think I remember that story. I know this kind of thing goes on a lot in the US and the “shock and awe” usually lasts as long as the next news cycle. It should be fairly easy to exploit immigrants here. Most of them don’t know the language and many of them are illegal. I know now in my area the construction business is terribly corrupt with a lot of workers, not even immigrants, being paid under the table. The country is beginning to feel more and more like something out of the Grapes of Wrath.

  • Truthseed

    I think they shouldn’t exist either. And your point is…?

  • Truthseed

    BTW those places are NOT family-friendly establishments, nor were they meant to be. They are essentially brothels. So your comparison is a poor one.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    The Bible is a crock of shit. Have a good day

  • RElgin

    Wrong – the one spa I made mention of, in Seoul, offers classes for pregnant mothers and is family friendly – as well as offering extra services, for cash, in the sports massage area. I will not post its name herein due to legal considerations either.
    You have no idea what you are talking about here.

    Basically, men really like to have sex.

  • RElgin

    Gay and lesbian issues are irrelevant to the issues listed in the original report. It is simple puerile behavior to attempt to link the two at this point, though some herein seem to like wallowing in that idea.

  • Truthseed

    Well, then you should have been more clear the last time. There are many massage services there that are everyone knows to be brothels, alongside ones that are family-friendly. So actually I do know what I’m talking about. You, OTOH, are very bad-willed.

    1) Men like to do things they shouldn’t do — *which doesn’t mean it’s right or that they should do it.*

    2) You can point to such family friendly spas that engage in immoral (heterosexual) behavior. They shouldn’t do those things. And it doesn’t distract from the main point, which is the homosexual angle in the recent spa incident, and the power of the LGBT in the US to retaliate against those who find them abhorrent. And this is going global too, as the US is starting to punish and retaliate against countries (like Uganda) who enact anti-homosexuality laws.

  • wangkon936

    Yes. Russians in Korean spas in the U.S.

  • wangkon936

    That would depend. If the said transgender person had both male and female body parts (i.e. Crying Game) then I could see why many of Spa World’s female patrons were uncomfortable. And who could blame them?

  • cactusmcharris

    Super gay male soldiers, marching as to war. Truthseed, they want to show you their etchings.

    http://www.thegailygrind.com/2014/04/11/alert-super-gay-male-soldiers-coming-usa-christians-warns-radio-host-audio/

  • RElgin

    Homosexuals are a powerful group now. They can push their way into areas where they are not wanted.

    Yes, just like Putin however maybe they use lubricants so they are still not so bad.