2014 World Cup : Ahead of the Korea vs Russia game: 홍명보 and 까방권

홍명보 감독 2014 월드컵
자료출처 : 네이버/OSEN

I don’t think that I have come across a more subdued and *given-up already* Korean atmosphere for the World Cup than that of this year’s (at least online, of course, I am sure once the games start properly there will be seas of red t-shirts out in full force). Even scanning the comments that follow the provocatively titled article, “Capello (the manager of the Russian team) says there’s no need to know the Korean players names” the 자포자기한 comments go like “예리하긴..He(Capello)’s very sharp”.. Even the potential fodder to light the fire against the Russians (i.e. figure skating medal controversy at Sochi) doesn’t seem to be enough to stoke any flames. It’s not entirely a bad thing, I think sports nationalism has had its day in most places.

So Korea has a weaker team than usual (or maybe not? The combination of fresh young blood playing in Germany like 손흥민, 구자철 and the mid-gen dragons in the UK like 기성용 and 이청용 should be interesting, but the friendlies leading up to the WC were mainly disappointing) – And without knowing anything about Korean football, it looks like the worries have been mainly over the generation change (the glory days of the Park et al. are over with the retiring of the experienced veterans) and also Hong Myungbo insisting on using the remaining players from the previous generation (e.g.박주영) who might not be so great either in form or ability, by some tenuous loyalty issues -giving rise to a internet slang word 최종 “엔트으리” = 의리 + 엔트리.

Another internet slang word which I was laughing at this morning is 까방권. 까임+방지+권리 the right not to be dissed- it applies to some sportspeople and celebrities (especially those who have served their time at the army) who have somehow achieved a close-to-deity status and an immunity from possible internet lynching by their personality and achievement.

I actually came across it scanning this linked article in the yahoo.jp today, and was initially puzzled by it, because it could have been 가방권, the way it was written in Japanese カバン権。 Even when the writer(a third gen zainichi) was trying to explain ”カイム” 가이무, it took me more than a second to realize that he meant “까임” – “까다” – a slang to criticize – kind of like “diss” in English language.

So basically, the Japanese article was saying that Koreans are very down and not very confident going into the World Cup, and the 까방권 – “a right not to be dissed” which used to apply to Hong has all but disappeared when he insisted on including 박주영, despite his lack of match play time/condition.

Hong has generally a good image in Korea and abroad, and his players always swear by his manly charisma and 의리. Let’s see if the Korean team does enough to retain his 까방권.

  • Aja Aja

    Regarding Park Ju Young, they had to pick him, despite his out of shape form. Park went missing for two years when signed with Arsenal of English Premier League. He was signed to sell shirts in Korea, and was given a grand total of 5 minutes on the field, he never had a chance from the beginning, and he rusted away his career. Yet for Korea, he’s their best option on the attack – which shows you how desperate it is for the Korean team.

    I dread the fallout that will be tomorrow, if Korea loses to Russia, but it would not be surprising. Key bright young players like Koo and Ki, who play in Europe have been battling nagging injuries and are coming off exhausting European tournaments, therefor in poor shape. Other half of the team are made out of young inexperienced players from K-League who easily get rattled and make fatal defensive mistakes – a curse that seems to be forever a problem for Korea. It really is a rag tag team slapped together hoping for the best. It’s not surprising the low expectations for this year. One positive out of it is that, with low expectations, it should gather more fans to watch the tournament without taking it too seriously. So Team Korea sucks, they’re expected to lose, just enjoy watching the games, and as long as they give their best effort, that is good enough for me.

  • brier

    Where is the live stream from City Hall plaza? (The poor grass, how much does the city pay for the replacement turf?) KBS news broadcasting from the plaza just had a few football enthusiasts doing the ‘dan-han-min-guk’ chant. I wish the team (and fans) well. Fighting!

  • 300deadkids

    Korea Hwighting!

  • bballi bballi paradise

    When I want to know the real chances for each team, I don’t listen to the media, I go straight to the betting websites. They put their money where their mouth is.
    the odds for winning the game are Russia at 1.8 and SK at about 4.5. That doesn’t look good. For comparison though, Mexico is at 11 to beat Brazil. So, it could be a lot worse.

    Also, for all the talk surrounding Park Chu Young, he actually has the best chance to open the scoring for Korea according to the betting lines.

  • bumfromkorea

    I’ll be rooting for them, but…

  • Aja Aja

    Way’da go, gloating on Sewol.

  • djson1

    Which will make it all the more exciting if they do win any games! The World Cup is only fun when there are upsets…unless you’re betting on the games.

  • wangkon936

    Bye bye “300deadkids.” Although there is a slight chance you could be a nice addition to the comment board, your insensitive choice of screen name makes that possibility highly unlikely.

  • wangkon936

    Bye bye killyou529f9wea.

  • djson1

    Can you imagine the support the Korea team will get in Brasil? I can already hear those chants now. Maybe the chants will give the Korean team that boost they need.

  • Aja Aja

    One good benefit for the Korean team maybe that the pressure’s off now that they’re not expected to do well. Most of the world’s press for this game, is on Russia, while Korea is getting ignored. Hopefully this will ignite a fire under the Korean team and make them twice as tougher. We will see soon.

  • redwhitedude

    Well Russia could characteristically underperform.

  • Aja Aja

    Maybe they should flood their half of the field with ten men, and defend like crazy, since they have not much chance. Then look for a counter attack. I like what Algeria is doing to Belgium currently.

  • ChuckRamone

    Are there a lot of Koreans in Brazil? Do Brazilians like Korea? I don’t get why they would get support there unless you’re being sarcastic.

  • eddienj

    Someone needs a free hug.

  • eddienj

    I don’t think you have scouted the game properly. Korea will have more possession and more shot attempts. The Russians will play organized defensively and play a strong counter game. Capello’s teams almost always play that way. The Korean team is often naive on defense and gives up soft goals. Russia will depend on that.

    The Koreans downfall will not be their talent. Individually, it’s their most talented team ever. But they are very young. The only younger team at the World Cup is Ghana and look how they played. Dominated possession but lost to the USA because of defensive lapses. It’s very similar to what might happen to Korea.

  • eddienj

    The betting sites almost always favor European teams and South American heavyweights because that’s who bets more at their sites. Most of them are based in Europe. The bookmaker always considers which way the bets will come and tries to get even play on both sides. The bookmaker doesn’t try to predict who will win. The bookmaker wants to take your money.

  • Aja Aja

    I say Korea will give up another first soft goal on 25th minute first half. What do you think? It never fails, it happens to them every international game when it counts. They’re always behind the eight ball and having to scratch and claw their way out all the time.

  • eddienj

    I have to agree with you. This team doesn’t have the veteran center back to keep the nerves calm. They play very nervous at the back and Ki doesn’t fight and tackle like he used to. He likes to be the play-maker these days like he did at Sunderland this past season. My heart tells me it can finally click for them like at London 2012. But my head tells me we will just give up too many goals.

  • kaizenmx

    Considering the fact that Koreans are not nearly excited about this year’s WC unlike the rest previous years of WC, their own team don’t even have faith in them.

  • djson1

    There’s a pretty good population of ethnic Koreans in Brazil. I think around 50,000….which is not a bad size. I wasn’t insinuating that the native Brazilians were necessarily fans of the Korean team. ha

  • djson1

    So, why do so many of the Korean players dye their hair blond or orange? Do they think that by looking more European, it will help them play better?

  • redwhitedude

    Park the bus, eh? It has as much appeal as the catenachio.

  • djson1

    By the way, as I’m watching the game, I don’t hear too much “Dae Han Min Guk” chants but I do hear “Ko-Re-Ah”…I think that’s what I’m hearing.

  • Aja Aja

    Lot of second, third, fourth generation ethnic Koreans in Brazil, many are also mixed Asian-Korean-Latin mixed also.

  • A Korean

    Halfway through the second half, I actually was rooting for Korea to lose. This team ain’t right. They are lazy, out of sync, and play to tie. Ugly soccer. Too bad, Russia sucks, too.

    I want Belgium and Algeria to advance.

  • redwhitedude

    And they sort of have. They nearly choked the game away. As far as Korea is concerned a tie is a good result.

  • redwhitedude

    Who the hell is this guy who just randomly shows up and comments about doing something terrible on people for a slight toward Korea?

  • A Korean

    That was Ro-ssi-ya.

  • Aja Aja

    Well, they just finished with a tie. Awful goals allowed by both teams who I don’t think are up to the standards. But 57th best in the world, South Korea just upset 17th best in the world Russia. That’s got to be a huge upset.

  • A Korean

    Everyone knows those rankings are bullshit.

  • Tapp

    Can someone tell me what the yellow cards were for? I can’t find the information anywhere and the commentary was way too fast for my rudimentary Korean.

  • pawikirogii

    bet there’s lots of pissed off expats; their hope of korea losing dashed. salaryman, how’s your thirld world team doing? you know, lots of third world people do well at soccer. hope your ethnic team makes it to the finals.

  • Aja Aja

    Well, they base the FIFA world cup group draws on those rankings, as well as bets online. On paper, S.Korea is the weakest underdog.

  • Aja Aja

    Now why would you post this… come on man.

  • kaizenmx

    Hahaha, BURN!!

  • pawikirogii

    because i can’t stand the man’s arrogance hiding his ethnicity while he talks trash about koreans. i understand why he does it and so does he.

  • Tapp

    I don’t think you have any idea what the general mood and opinions are of expats in this country. All you do is needlessly bash and accuse us of stereotyping and hating the country that we have come to call home. I have a few complaints about this country and it’s government. I had a few complaints about the US and it’s government, too. It’s just boring and unoriginal for you to continue attacking expats as a collective group for no reason. I watched the entire match with my students to day. I cheered with them and I groaned with them. I am much more a part of this country than you have been in a long, long time. Go back to your little hate filled corner of the internet…. nobody wants you here.

  • Aja Aja

    Who? Nobody’s been talking trash here, until you started it. Don’t go there.

  • pawikirogii

    riiiight. got ya.

  • pawikirogii

    he’s all over the net. i’ve seen him at korea related blogs. maybe he could tone it down with the slashing throats and all that.

  • pawikirogii

    i suggest you read his comment hx.

  • wangkon936

    Pawi,

    Your new avatar… I don’t think that’s really a portrait of Queen Myeongseong.

    This is probably the proper picture:

    http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2006/07/25/2006072561012.html

  • BSDetector

    I honestly got to the ‘u’ in Cup in the title of this post when I lost interest. Soooccceerrrzzz…. -_-…zzzZZZ
    The Marmot’s Hole’s in danger of losing it’s intellectual rep and being docked a few snooty points if it keep running sports stories. 😛

  • pawikirogii

    i’ve actually read about that awhile back. whoever the lady is in the avatar, she was no servant. that’s for sure. btw, wangkon, the picture in the link. do you think it really could be queen min? where are her royal seals? i wonder if the korean queen ever wore clothing without the seals. i don’t know because in ktv and movies, koreans are all over the map with regards to clothing. makes me wonder if the korea basher isn’t correct in saying that koreans are just making it up due to an inferiority complex.

  • wangkon936

    Eyewitness account says that Queen Myeongseong had cold, calculating and intelligent eyes. The woman in the pic I linked to you certainly has that checked off.

    The woman in your pic has dull, cow eyes. Look at the position of her feet. A queen wouldn’t sit down with her feet spread like that. That indicates low breeding (manners wise).

  • redwhitedude

    I guess I’ll have to disregard that guy.

  • redwhitedude

    And it turns out that the Russian goalie gifted a soft goal.

  • redwhitedude

    Rankings are crap but I don’t think there is any doubt about the quality of Belgium and Russia over Korea and Algeria. I’ve seen many predictions and they seem to indicate Belgium and Russia over the other two. And no I wasn’t looking at Koreans making such predictions.

  • pawikirogii

    queen min is an intriguing figure who will remain mysterious for us. i suppose it adds to her allure. have a good day, wang.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    Korea tied with Ruskies, 1-1. With All that money spent by Putin, Koreans 깠다. 개새끼들..Ruskies never appologized to Korea for setting up Commie gov’t and thereby starving NKs. Who is Putin? Nothing but an A-hole dictator. He deserves to be assassinated.

  • redwhitedude

    Do you have to get so dam political about this? It behooves for Korea to get a long with every country in its neighborhood.

  • flyingsword

    Korean team needs to learn how to mount an attack on goal….always seemed confused how to get the ball inside of the box. Lots of kicking the ball around with no purpose or direction.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I was cheering for Korea. Go die.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    HAHAHAH But you do understand why I hide my ethnicity, don’t you? The less you know about me the less shit you can talk. I was actually cheering for Korea (though had some money on Russia and was within a goal of having a nice little jackpot come my way).

  • pawikirogii

    you cheered for korea while betting against them?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    sure
    Why not?

  • pawikirogii

    then you were against them. my points proven!

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Smart money was on Russia. My heart was on Korea, and against Russia. The 1-1 was actually the worst outcome as 1) I just lost out on a nice little pot of cash 2) The Koreans did not win to offset that disappointment.

  • pawikirogii

    if you are eastern european, it’s easy to understand why you were against russia in your heart. i’ve met more than a few eastern europeans who expressed deep hatred for the russians and their communism. i remember asking a polish guy if he felt kinship with russians since they were fellow slavs. that didn’t go over too well. he despised them.

  • wangkon936

    Pawi, lighten up.

  • wangkon936

    That’s why we ‘Muricans think ties are for wussies.

  • wangkon936

    My former boss,who had season Lakers seats, did the same thing. Bet against them, so if they won he wouldn’t lose either way.

  • A Korean

    I don’t know, but they showed some pretty Korean girls in attendance, and they were the game’s highlights.

  • pawikirogii

    didn’t pete rose do something like that? you know what happened to him, right?

  • wangkon936
  • wangkon936

    Yeah, totally different. Pete Rose was a player, not a fan.

  • A Korean

    I said “pretty”, not trashy plastic freaks.

  • wangkon936

    There’s something very Anglo-Saxon about SMS. Northern east coast originally, I’d hazard to guess (where the weather is shitty and there’s urban crawl). Can’t put my finger on it, but that’s what my gut says.

  • wangkon936
  • Koreandumbdumb

    Koreans are mad at the Japanese but the real enemies are China and Russia. These people want to own what Koreans have. Evil gangsters they are. They already own NK and they like to own SK as well. SOBs. Kill them mofos.
    Russia set up NK and China protected it during Korean war. Without these evil people, Koreans would have united and have advanced even more than they are now. No, I want get along with these mofos.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    As you know Putin is a dictator. You want to worship him as Jolla Commies worship KIm Jong Un? Hey, aren’t you for freedom and democracy? If so, then you must hate people like Putin and Hitler. They are DICTATORs! Very evil people.

  • A Korean

    That’s right, I’m an upscale dirty old man, and don’t you forget it.

    And your links are still an odd mixed bag. I was talking about shots of some girls in the stadium attendance

  • wangkon936

    “That’s right, I’m an upscale dirty old man, and don’t you forget it.”

    Ugh. Tell that to the room salon madame.

  • DC Musicfreak

    I thought he said he was from a country that was fucked over by the USSR. That eliminates almost half the planet.

  • Seoulgoodman

    That argument doesn’t make any fucking sense.

  • Seoulgoodman

    Get over it. It’s not as if she was Cleopatra, Queen Victoria, or Marie Antoinette.

  • wangkon936

    Well, she’s Cleopatra and Marie Antoinette to Koreans… 😉

  • Seoulgoodman

    As if Koreans don’t know Cleopatra and Marie Antoinette.

  • wangkon936

    But… Cleo and Marie are on the other hemisphere and have not impacted their history as directly as Queen Myeongseong. Must Western History be as important to Asians as it is to Westerners? No, just like Eastern history is clearly not as important to Westerners as it is to Easterners.

    Do you know who Empress Cixi is? Probably not. She ruined the Qing Dynasty and changed the course of Chinese history for the rest of the 20th century, affecting the lives of over a billion people. I don’t see her in a lot of textbooks in the U.S…. hummm….

  • pawikirogii

    just ignore him, wang. i find queen min fascinating and mysterious. we need a good movie about her. btw, i stumbled upon a cnn article that had anthony bourdain go into koreatown. didn’t like the article but the comments were interesting. thanks for sticking up for the minjok!

  • redwhitedude

    Sounds like an excuse for that salon madame to overcharge him.

  • redwhitedude

    Probably because they view Russia as a big bully and they were dominated by Russia. The only slavs that Russia gets any empathy from are the serbs.

  • wangkon936

    No, Pawi. You must find Cleopatra and Marie Antoinette MORE fascinating and mysterious! Why? Because they are white (Cleopatra was Greek)? Because they are a “fountainhead” of Western Civilization? Because they are famous female leaders from the Western Hemisphere? Well, apparently Seoulgoodman doesn’t know why. He just thinks you should!

  • redwhitedude

    Jeolla Commies? That label isn’t helping matters. Freedom and democracy doesn’t mean labeling people like that. Putin is a dictator unfortunately for him he is drawing inspiration from a system that is totally discredited that is the USSR. Not sure if he is leading the country in the right direction.

  • redwhitedude
  • http://teacherpretty.blogspot.com Ana Dennison

    I work in a public middle school in Korea, and the feeling was definitely split about the team. Some of my students feel pretty excited, while others didn’t even bother to watch the game, since they assumed there was no chance.

    However, when Korea scored and then got out with a tie, the whole school erupted in cheers! So I guess we’ll see how it goes from here.

  • redwhitedude

    At least Korea is doing better than Spain.

  • Seoulgoodman

    You’re making an awful lot of assumptions.

    1) I most certainly know about Empress Cixi.
    2) I’m not American.

  • redwhitedude

    I haven’t seen at sports story in a while at MH in a while.

  • redwhitedude

    http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/06/511_159465.html

    If he thinks this is skimpy he must have hung out with the Taleban.

  • BSDetector

    I’m awarding `the Hole +15 bonus snooty points for your taking my post seriously.