Nothing says ‘gender equality’ like blaming rape on women dressing provocatively

So, Seoul National University professor of medicine and forensic expert Lee Yoon-seong was invited to speak at a ceremony to mark the launch of the Korean Institute for Gender Equality Promotion and Education last December.

And speak he did:

In a lecture at the launch of the Korean Institute for Gender Equality Promotion and Education last December, Lee claimed there was a direct link between how a woman dressed and how much she was vulnerable to rape and other sex crimes.

“Absolutely, 100 percent of the sex crimes are committed by men. Men instinctively need they feel to spread their ‘seeds’ to produce healthy offspring,” Lee said, according to vernacular daily Hankyoreh, a disturbing comment that revealed his detachment from reality.

“If there is money on the street, somebody will pick it up. If there is a woman walking around with sexy clothing, there will be somebody who rapes her … I personally love watching beautiful flowers,” Lee said.

Well, who doesn’t love watching beautiful flowers?

Clearly on a roll, Lee added, “If I am on the subway and a woman wears clothing that reveals her panties or there are girls who are dressed sexily, then of course I will look at them. Aren’t they dressing like that because they want to be seen?”

You can read the original Hankyoreh report (in Korean) here. Lee reportedly also said the Korean woman who was raped in India was victimized because she wore revealing clothing. Pure class.

Mind you, it would seem Lee’s attitudes are shared by at least some folk at the soon-to-be-renamed Ministry of Security and Public Administration:

  • bumfromkorea

    I was thinking that he was speaking purely from forensics point of view (revealing clothes = higher probability of sexual assault, which is probably true)… until this part:

    “If there is money on the street, somebody will pick it up. If there is a woman walking around with sexy clothing, there will be somebody who rapes her … I personally love watching beautiful flowers,” Lee said

    I’m pretty sure he just said that if there is a woman walking around with sexy clothing, he’s inclined to rape her. And, he loves watching beautiful flowers. Is that an euphemism for something more sinister?

  • WMunny

    “I’m pretty sure he just said that if there is a woman walking around with sexy clothing, he’s inclined to rape her. And, he loves watching beautiful flowers. Is that an euphemism for something more sinister?”

    I’m pretty sure something was lost in translation there. Anyway, if I get robbed while walking through the ghetto with my gold rope chain in plain view and holding a wad of 20’s, I guess that’s not my fault.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Its not true that 100% of sex crimes are committed by men. Women sexually molest and, if the law was not stuck in the dark ages, do rape men.

  • brier

    Who doesn’t like looking at the beautiful flowers? But that doesn’t mean I will cross the line and violate.

    He talks as if men are animals and not humans. Who educated this degenerate? Can’t believe my tax gets thrown away on him.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Men are animals, you didn’t know? The narrative of today says all men rape and kill out of a sense of privilege.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Its never your fault.

    Edit: unless you’re a man, in which case, its always your fault.

  • Seoulgoodman

    There should be a law that after a certain age, say 55, professors in Korea should be tested for dementia.

  • RElgin

    Should I jack everyone I see driving a Porsche around Seoul?
    Your POV is pretty questionable.

  • eorinni

    Why don’t you criticize this asshole professor then instead of women? He’s the one who said men can’t help but rape.

  • eorinni

    Dude but by this guy’s logic… So is it ok for me to find this dickbag professor’s house and ring his doorbell constantly for the next 72 hours? If he didn’t want me to ring his doorbell, he shouldn’t have a doorbell. He had a doorbell so that people would ring it, right?

    And of course, men AREN’T committing 100% of sex crimes! That is the OPPOSITE of what feminism seeks to say! This guy is saying a ton of harmful and problematic stuff and you’re upset that a woman wished someone would teach perverts not to take upskirt photos?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Feminism labels all men as predators. The whole damn internet is abuzz with talk of male privilege, white male privilege, hetero white make privilege, misogyny, etc.

    If he found that people were ringing his bell too much he would take action. That would be the reasonable thing to do. He might disable it, buy a dog or a security camera, etc. There is a myriad of ways he could deal with the problem, all of which would be more rational than refusing to do anything and demanding the world change to accommodate him.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I did. “Its not true that 100% of sex crimes are committed by men.” That is a direct criticism of this asshole professor.

  • eorinni

    You’re stereotypingnow, and are mistaking feminism for the defense mechanism you yourself just advocated.
    “There is a myriad of ways he could deal with the problem, all of which would be more rational than refusing to do anything and demanding the world change to accommodate him.”
    First, dressing conservatively doesn’t prevent rape or sexual harrassment.
    And therefore the way some women choose to avoid future sexual harrassmentonce they’ve experienced it is TO BE WARY and assume that men will likely harrass them again in future. But you don’t like this and consider it equal to feminists thinking all men are rapists. What should women do to prevent being raped or harrassed then?

    As a feminisit, the patriarchy is the bullshit institution that claims all men are dogs who can’t control their sexual urges. Feminists reject that.

    Ultimately, you can’t always protect against all offenses, nor should you be expected to. Maybe he can stop people from ringing his doorbell, but what about if my natural urge is to punch assholes in the face? And if he didn’t want to get punched in the face, he shouldn’t have been an asshole?

  • eorinni

    Sorrry, saw that after, I take it back.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Nothing is foolproof. I would bet dressing down lowers the risk. I would bet avoiding certain situations lowers the risk. I would be not dressing like a stripper in risky situations lowers the risk even more.

    I understand some women are wary, but being wary and advocating a position that all men are predators is a different thing.

  • WMunny

    Your doorbell example doesn’t work. Now, if you set-up a doorbell at a “Nicky-Nicky Nine Doors” support group, then you’ll get what you asked for.

  • eorinni

    I really wish that were the case, but women have been raped across all cultures and throughout human history, in burqas and in “stripper” clothes.

    I don’t support the line that all men are predators and doubt most feminists do. But I think a lot of men would win more sympathy/see a change in perspective from the women who DO if they did half as much to condemn rapists as they do to condemn women who assume men are rapists. I personally would rather have someone online call me a rapist than be raped, for a start.

  • eorinni

    You know that rape happens to women around the world irrespective of dress, right? Or are you saying all men are dogs with incontrollable sex drives who should be in a support group for raping women?

    How about this example:
    I like punching asshole professors in the face. If an asshole professor makes an asshole remark, of course I will punch him in the face. If he didn’t want to be punched in the face, he shouldn’t have made such an asshole remark.

  • WMunny

    If he knows well that you are going to react in that way and he nevertheless makes an asshole comment, I’d say he’s taking a big chance. That doesn’t excuse your violent behavior, but he should have been a little more careful.

  • eorinni

    How can he know that? Should he assume all women punch assholes in the face?

  • WMunny

    That’s why it’s a bad example.

  • eorinni

    No, that’s why many women are wary that men will rape them. In your own example, too, you implied all men were capable of rape.

  • Simurgh

    That used to be an excuse I saw with some regularity in Korea, back in the 1990s. When caught stealing something, guys would say “When I saw his [nice car, nice house, whatever], I was overcome with envy and could not help myself.” Fortunately, I haven’t seen that bullshit much lately.

  • JW

    We need more women like Solange in Korea, to take it to the next level. Withholding sex is not having a big enough impact it seems.

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  • redwhitedude

    Blaming women for dressing skimpily for sexual assaults and people taking upskirt? Sounds like something that my grandma would say. However in her case men are expected to behave.

  • WMunny

    No, I didn’t imply that all men are capable of rape. I guess you inferred that somehow, though.

  • WMunny

    I thought I had replied to this hours ago.
    No, you shouldn’t jack everyone driving a Porsche. For your carjacking example to work, you would need to have a person driving a nice car in what he should know to be a dangerous situation. There’s no fear of carjacking in Seoul, so your example doesn’t work. But, if during the zombie apocalypse a guy decides to cruise around Seoul in his convertible sports car, I would expect that desperate survivors would try to commandeer the vehicle. Those survivors would still be guilty of grand theft, but really, the driver could have been a little more careful.
    People should be careful. Perpetrators deserve to be tried and convicted for their crimes, but sometimes the victim could be a little smarter.
    If you park your bike in downtown NYC and don’t lock it, it’ll be stolen. It’s the thief’s fault, but really, you’re an idiot.

  • A Korean

    Fat lot of good that will do. They’ll get sent off to hospitals, and they’ll burn’em down.

  • eorinni

    “if you set-up a doorbell at a “Nicky-Nicky Nine Doors” support group, then you’ll see what happens”

    Sorry, what does this mean? Wearing sexy clothes in public is like flaunting your sexuality in front of people (men) who you must know will probably rape you?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Did we even get into false rape accusations and how women who make them get little but slaps on the wrist, if that?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    If 1% of men are inclined to rape then you really don’t need long before you come across that 1%. On any given day we meet, see, pass by hundreds, if not thousands of people. But being raped on the street is really a rare occurrence. Much more likely is being raped in certain situations. Avoiding certain situations such as being drunk in a night club wearing 2 strips of clothing that cover up nothing is a good idea, and suggesting is is not blaming the victim, though it does make one wonder why people would put themselves in risky situations and be absolutely shocked stuff happens.

    A lot of rape happens because of mixed signals. “Predators” are a rare breed. They can’t really be avoided if lady luck sends one your way and you could well be covered head to toe and it would not matter. Often rape is also committed by people you know and again, rape would probably happen no matter what you did or wore.

    But there are times when risk can be mitigated. We don’t “blame the victim” when she is raped by her uncle. We do “blame the victim” when we say “Oh, getting drunk and passing put in that night club with all your privates on display to drunk men” was probably a bad idea. Mitigate risk when you can. This does not blame you, or shift blame from the asshole who did something. Its just a good idea. I know, it cramps your feminist entitlement to ignore reality and the risks of life, but deal with it.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    “First, dressing conservatively doesn’t prevent rape or sexual harrassment.”

    Yes, it does. You are advocating a view that your actions have ZERO bearing on your results. This is absolutely ludicrous. Dressing conservatively may not prevent rape in all situations, but it will in SOME situations and hence will have an overall effect of reducing the risk. To argue otherwise is to push politics over reality.

  • eorinni

    You’re more concerned with making sure a victim knows she should have “mitigated risk” than with denouncing the men who rape. There is no mitigating risk for rape. Ugly women get raped, pretty women get raped, strangers rape, friends and family rape, drunk women get raped, sober women get raped, women in revealing clothes get raped, women in sweatpants and t shirts get raped.

    If you were passed out drunk at a club wearing a tank top and some dude took you home and had sex with you, would you even for a second think, “Well, I could have mitigated the risk for this.”

    I want the freedom to not be raped. If that’s “feminist entitlement” to you, yes I feel entitled.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Denouncing rape goes without saying. Please come back with something more substantial.

    Lots of women get raped in lots of ways. As I said above, it sometime cannot be avoided. BUT sometimes it can. Avoid it when you can by being more common sense about what you do. No one wants to blame themselves, and its hard to take a step out of the situation. But its necessary.

    I want the freedom not to be in a car accident. Can you guarantee me that freedom?

  • eorinni

    Like I said, women have been raped across all cultures and throughout human history, wearing clothes that range from burqas to “stripper” clothes. This dude is talking about sexually harassing a woman on the subway.

    Listen. How could I have reduced the risk for having an old man on the KTX slap my butt when he passed by me last time I took the train? I was wearing jeans and a sweatshirt. I was NOT sending signals, I was STANDING there, WITH my boyfriend, wearing jeans and a sweatshirt. Is it wrong for me not to want to get slapped on the butt by a random man? Do YOU worry about getting slapped on the butt by men on the train? Have you ever been groped by a man?

  • eorinni

    Rape isn’t an accident. Rape’s a deliberate act. Rape is illegal. Someone who rapes me is infringing on my rights.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    You havent at all understood what Ive written. Im not about to repeat myself 12 times till you get it. You are not entitled to my time. Good bye

  • eorinni

    There is no way to mitigate risk for rape or women would not get raped in such large numbers. The end.

  • A Korean

    I wish you had slapped the dirtbag, especially since your bf was with you.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Your grasp of numbers is astonishingly poor. Its worse with your logic.

  • eorinni

    Me too. I’ve replayed it a thousand times in my mind but it was fast and sudden and the dude laughed about it as he walked away. I was shocked.

  • eorinni
  • eorinni

    Riding on the subway is a dangerous situation? All women who get raped are in dangerous situations? What, going out in public where men are? Come on.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    So nothing at all could be done? If so, why isn’t it 1/3 or 1/2?

  • eorinni

    Because not all men are rapists.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    But those who are could be raping more, could they not?

    A statistic says nothing about whether it could be different.

  • eorinni

    So let’s encourage them not to rape! Let’s talk about consent loudly! We know that women get raped wearing all manner of different clothes. Telling them to dress conservatively doesn’t cut it, obviously. Unless you have good, working advice for the women who are careful and still get raped, isn’t it better to tackle the problem from its source – rapists?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Are men encourage TO rape? Seriously?

  • eorinni

    Omg did I say that. I said let’s teach more insistently about consent. Teach that women will wear revealing clothes sometimes, but don’t ever ever rape them, for a start. Teach them that rape is not ever an appropriate response to a woman’s clothing.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    You did say it.

    Is there really a lack of communication about the wrongness of rape?

    If you were a mother of a daughter, and your daughter decided to wear the shortest skirt and skimpiest top imaginable to go out at night to a club would you say anything about it? If so, what would you say? If not, shame on you.

  • eorinni

    Shame on you for judging a woman’s character by what she wears. She’s not dressing for you. WHATEVER she wears, she should never be raped. THAT’S the lack of communication. Not that rape is wrong, but that being raped is never deserved. That someone will make a case that your victim should have known better. The rapist should have known better too.

    You depressed the shit out of me, I give up. You win. All women in slutty clothes who get raped: well, what did you expect, right? All women in conservative clothes who get raped: oops, I guess. There, problem solved. Women can all shut up about rape now.

  • Cloudfive

    muslim women brought rape upon themselves

    The idea that women bring rape upon themselves by dressing provocatively is as idiotic as saying that children molested by pedophiles bring it on themselves for being so cute and enticing.

    I will NOT discuss this further with any idiots who have the temerity to agree with Professor Lee Yoon-seong.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    So you wouldn’t say anything. Wow, what a mother you will make.

    Im not judging anyone’s character, other then their naivete. You, I will judge: against all common sense you would put the well-being of your young, inexperienced and naive daugher BELOW your political agenda.

    “WHATEVER she wears, she should never be raped.”

    Yes, things shouldn’t happen. There shouldn’t even be war or genocide, or poverty, or car accidents. But there are. We need to deal in reality. You are obviously detached from reality.

    You show an extreme lack of logical thinking.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I would imagine that a child put into an environment with more pedophiles is more likely to be molested: ergo altar boys in a catholic church are probably at increased risk for being molested. No? Now, its not really their fault, I would blame the priests and the parents.

  • eorinni

    Guess what. I don’t have a daughter and didn’t tell you what I would or would not say to her. So much for your logical thinking. I hope you never have a daughter, though, that’s for sure.

    Deal in reality….? We legislate to help prevent genocide, poverty, car accidents, murder, etc. Or if someone burns your house down, does society say, “Well, you shouldn’t have been living in such a flammable house, I guess.”

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    So you resorted to histrionics and irrational wailing.

    Answer then: would you advise your daughter to cover up, or not? I realize the answer is not convenient, but humor me.

  • jfpower

    I would encourage you, and anyone else interested in this issue, to read the questions used in the study you cite. The questions define drunk sex, sex through lies about “the future” and other scenarios that wouldn’t normally meet the criteria for rape as sexual violence. It is an incredibly flawed study, despite being cited constantly by the White House among others.

    http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_executive_summary-a.pdf

  • eorinni

    I’d advise her to punch you in the dick. Congratulations, I’m a man hater starting this second.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Ahhh now you are just falling apart. An emotional mess is never attractive. Calm down and answer the question.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Rape can be retroactive. The woman gave consent, but now regrets it, can claim she was raped. She will be believed. The issue of false accusations hasn’t yet been brought up.

  • eorinni

    Okay honey. Picture this situation. I tell my daughter, “Men might rape you. Please cover up because I can’t control what they might do to you, so let’s assume we can prevent being raped and do everything we can to that end.” She gets raped anyway. What should I tell her then?

  • eorinni

    Of course if I teach my daughter that men might rape her, I’m obviously a man hating feminazi anyway, so.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    She may well get raped, but you’ve most likely lowered her risk.

    You know you would tell her to cover up. Any good parent would recognize the danger and provide a young child with a way to lower that risk. Even better would be to tell her not to go out to a club at all because likely it is a place with predators.

  • eorinni

    http://www.innovations.harvard.edu/cache/documents/1348/134851.pdf

    Men who will admit to rape if you take the word “rape” out of the question.

  • eorinni

    No. What do I tell her after she gets raped? Tell me. I realize the answer is not convenient, but humor me.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    You would comfort her and encourage her to identify the perp if possible, to work with the police, etc. You would not blame her but would make her conscious of the fact that she was in a higher-risk situation, if indeed that was the case.

  • eorinni

    And if she was not in a higher risk situation? I guess I should say, “It’s bad luck but don’t worry, not all men are like that, and remember that even though you dressed conservatively and were raped, you should not dress provocatively in the future, because you might be raped.” Is that about it?

    The only way within my power to actually lower her risk is to teach my son to ALWAYS have consent and to call out his friends if they act like assholes. Or to teach my daughter to avoid men all together, which, obviously that will not work.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    You cannot control what others do. You realize this, right?

  • eorinni

    Ok. If I have a daughter, I’ll teach her, “Avoid dangerous situations. Dangerous situations are any situations with men. Men will rape you and you can’t control it. Stay away from them whenever possible.” Regardless of whether it’s true or not, I can’t think of a better solution than that, and as you said, her safety trumps my politics.

    I’m going to really give up now because obviously we will never agree, and in this moment you have genuinely made me wish that I will never have a daughter because I don’t want her to deal with this shit.

  • jfpower

    Thanks, will have a look. It is a pity that statistics and data for worthwhile causes are so abused.

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    “Absolutely, 100 percent of the sex crimes are committed by men. Men instinctively need they feel to spread their ‘seeds’ to produce healthy offspring,”

    Statistics and facts aren’t the strong suit of old Korean professors, are they?

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    Of course people should take precautions and watch out for themselves. But he wasn’t talking about walking through dangerous neighborhoods or socializing with sketchy strangers. He said clothing choices will naturally lead to rape.

    Furthermore, you’re more likely to get robbed in a rough neighborhood because the locals are poor. People need money to get by. Contrary to what some men might think, getting your rocks off is not a necessity. Even if it was it is something you can do yourself.

  • 8675309

    I don’t know if any of you have noticed, but there is a huge generation gap in this country, so someone like this guy who was born in Korea before 1960, is essentially a product of a totally different epoch and era in terms of cultural, social, moral and economic development.

    As a result, these old timers are typically way out there in terms of everything, including worldview, social mores, and even language. The older generation is essentially in their own world and little bubble so to speak that no one — with the exception of their contemporaries and peers — could comprehend or commiserate with.

    To make a big issue about how way out in left field this guy is, neglects the fact that the generational disconnect in this country is not only huge, but par for the course.

    That said, this isn’t like America or any other developed country in the West where members from different generations can easily and amicably get together, or sit down and engage in fun-loving, laughter-filled, give-and-take banter, debate and discussion about common topics and shared experiences, characterized by rapt younger audiences hanging on intently to every word the older generation has to say, while luxuriating in ribald storytelling and nostalgic references by their elders of glory times gone by.

    When such cross-generational interactions do occur here where the old invariably resorts to lecturing the young, the younger generation usually suffers in silence by making do with hidden eyeball-rolling, glazed over looks and vexed sighing, while keeping up appearances with automatic “nae’s” and perfunctory head nodding. Anything else, in this culture anyway, is superfluous to requirements.

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    “As a result, these old timers are typically way out there in terms of
    everything, including worldview, social mores, and even language.”

    Then these old timers shouldn’t be professors anymore, especially at Seoul National.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    The threat is highly overrated

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Then again, these old timers are the only thing left standing in the way of the communist progs taking over

  • A Korean

    It’s difficult to reminisce on the Japanese occupation, the Korean War, and the days of military dictatorship, particularly to the young’uns who have never known hunger like the geezers did.

  • stickerbrick

    you have no idea what feminism is. You have no comprehension of the concept of “privilege.”

  • stickerbrick

    Numbers?? Logic?? YOU’RE the one who insists on repeating the completely baseless idea that a woman can prevent rape by dressing conservatively. You believe it because it makes sense to you, not because there is any data to support it.

  • stickerbrick

    Oh, I hadn’t read this one yet. Wow, retroactive regret rape claims. The mythical threat men like you like to derail conversations with. You now completely fit the bill for being a piece of human garbage. Congrats.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I have a very good idea what privilege is. Let’s name some examples:

    – The ability to shape reality to one’s whim can be a great privilege. A woman’s whim can, theoretically, change a baby into a thing, back to a baby and back to a thing at will. If a woman wants it, the fetus is a baby, if it is unwanted, it is a thing to be discarded. Likewise, a rape can be a rape can be consent can be rape, again, depending on the mood of the woman even with an ironclad consent at the moment of copulation.

    – The ability to make a “should” into a did. As with rape, because a woman dresses provocatively, it should not happen, so with other things: an avalanche does not happen when a woman makes a loud noise because “no one should die in an avalanche.”

    – The ability to be absolved of crimes, to have excuses made for her, to get off with a slap on a wrist when a man would get prison, are also examples of privilege.

    – Women say “don’t objectify” and then go for the first rich guy they meet. Women say “don’t degrade me, I’m a human” and dress up like strippers; but respect for them is a birthright, so when women dress like strippers the men are the pigs.

    – Be it finance or engineering or science or IT, the vast majority of grads are men, but the fact that 50% of the workforce isn’t female is NEVER to be blamed on the women who took Gender Studies instead. The vagina guarantees the job, no mater what.

    Need I keep going?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    It is common sense that a woman can lower her risk. Woman A who gets plastered in clubs with strange men every night and Woman B who enjoys evenings out with select friends at dinner parties will, at the end of the year, be raped a different amount of times. A cookie for you if you guess which one gets raped more. Now run along, sweetheart.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    So I see, false accusations against men are a joke. THIS is what feminism is. Thanks for playing, sweetie.

  • stickerbrick

    lol if you want to keep embarrassing yourself and solidifying your position as a bitter, woman-hating piece of shit, yeah, knock yourself out

    lets see:
    1.knocking reproductive rights AND using the myth of “regret rape” NICE
    2. what the heck are you even talking about avalanches and sh*t you are one crazy mofo
    3. citation needed
    4. you seem to think that if a woman dresses “like a stripper” (which is subjective) then it is unreasonable for her to expect respect. I, for one, have the ability to not act like an entitled pig no matter how a woman dresses. You, on the other hand, should probably be locked up
    5. citation needed. as far as I know, men are not a vast majority of grads in these fields

    Privilege takes many forms, and none of your garbage examples qualifiy.

  • stickerbrick

    “common sense” with no facts or numbers to back it up. Your “logic” is based on “common sense” which is based on myths and misconceptions about where the risk of rape is actually highest.

  • stickerbrick

    They are a HILARIOUS joke when they are used to derail conversations about actual REAL problems. Ever single woman I am close enough to get personal with has revealed that she has been raped. I’ve never known a man who was falsely accused of rape. My personal experience doesn’t matter though, it’s is backed by statistics. False rape claims are astronomically uncommon, and “regret rape” is yet another even tinier (probably non-existent) fraction of those. Yet you seem to think one of these is a greater injustice.

    surprise twist, I’m a man you sexist patronizing asshole

  • redwhitedude

    Nothing says doing useless and pointless things like accusing women of encouraging rape by dressing provocatively.

  • stickerbrick

    oh and I’m a man, you sexist piece of garbage

  • cactusmcharris

    In fact, I was going to tell you, as a public service, that his garbage is usually of the vitriolic-yet-unsubstantiated kind.

  • stickerbrick

    haha yeah thanks I pretty much could see that, but yesterday I was totally in the mood for just his kind of garbage, so much so that when I saw his replies I said to a friend “AHHHH! YESSSS! look at this! please, give me MOOORRRREEEEE!

  • stickerbrick

    A large part of victim guilt is second-guessing why they didn’t react the way they “should have.” We don’t need to reinforce this. It is way too easy to say how to react after the fact. I know that’s not your intent, but it is there, nonetheless.

  • Sumo294

    “Ever single woman I am close enough to get personal with has revealed that she has been raped” –bullcrap–just like every man is a rapist. I guess Yuna’s father is a rapist and her brother is a rapist and I guess all the men in Elgin’s family are all rapists.

  • Sumo294

    “Freedom not be raped” wow how about other so called imaginary freedoms. Let me give you a taste how you write:
    1. I wish to have freedom from not starving.
    2. I wish to have freedom of having free expression.
    3. I wish to have freedom of having top notch education.
    4. I wish to have freedom of owning my own house.
    5. I wish to have freedom of owning my own vehicle.
    6. I wish to have freedom of being in a relationship of my choice.
    Tell us more about the “freedoms” you so obviously deserve and are entitled to.

  • Sumo294

    According to Patriarchy–all women in any relationship is in being raped. Marriage is a tool of Patriarchy to enforce sexual bondage and oppression on proletariat women. Women can only experience true expressive sex with a gender equal who does not participate in being part of systemic Patriarchy. All fathers and brothers and uncles and male friends are unknowing participants in systemic gender oppression and slavery.

  • eorinni

    Hey asshole, if you think not being raped and having a house or car are equal, you are despicable or truly stupid. It’s illegal to rape, murder, etc. It’s not illegal for you to not have a car.

  • Sumo294

    Your world is gone–I caught of a glimpse of your world before it all went to hell. It had flaws, but–nonetheless–its was a beautiful place. Koreans did not kill it–it was your daughters and sons in your counter cultural revolution who killed America. Eventually they will take over Korea too–in time–I hope it takes more than forty years but I am doubtful.

  • Sumo294

    Ohh I am sorry . . . . I did not realize what an incredibly wonderful and awesome writer you are. Let me give you more credit.
    1. I wish to have freedom from not being murdered.
    2. I wish to have freedom from having toothaches.
    3. I wish to have freedom from being molested by the tooth fairy.
    4. I wish to have freedom from being hit a by a car walking to my place of work.
    5. I wish to have freedom from breathing smog.
    6. I wish to have freedom from being hit by large asteroids.

  • eorinni

    Although you are a tremendous prick, I hope nobody ever rapes you.

  • Sumo294

    Sigh–you never defined rape–there is visual rape–there is expressive rape hidden within cultural dialogue–there is media rape as a tool of male oppression such as rape in movies to make women afraid. Half of women believe any show of violence is rape–therefore a game of football is an enactment of male malice and intent to rape. Feminists believe sex to be an inherent good and an expression of one’s individual rights–its only when aggression and in particular male aggression is added to a sex act that such a beautiful sexual expression is to be tainted with systemic violence and oppression that makes it an act of rape.

  • stickerbrick

    Where the hell do you get the idea that it’s of utmost importance to inform women to be careful and that denouncing rape goes without saying when the only ONE of those things which is common in traditional discussion of rape prevention is NOT a denouncement of rape?? You’re up in here all like “now, don’t forget to be careful, ladies…” as if they ain’t heard that shit all their lives and somehow still be gettin raped. The time to change the narrative has come, and you have no place here.

  • bumfromkorea

    Using the 2nd-wave radical feminism’s batshit-insane rhetoric to argue against someone who is clearly advocating the so-called “4th wave feminism” is a bit like arguing against the Episcopalians by quoting the Westboro Baptish Church.

  • Sumo294

    Young Korean girls should understand that Patriarchy accuses their fathers, brothers and all male in-laws of being rapists. They should also understand that these white liberal privileged feminists also regard the only pure and equal sexual congress to be that between two women–for only they exist outside of the bounds of Patriarchy.

  • Sumo294

    Let me give you one more awesome wonderful and amazing freedom:
    I wish for the freedom to call a multi-colored unicorn from thin air to gallop to me at my beck and call and to carry me over sunny cloud meadows in the sky as I roar to the world what a strong womyn I am to the long line of my female ancestors that finally we are free from Patriarchy!!!!

  • bumfromkorea

    Again, the “Patriarchy”-based rhetoric where penis = rapist is the lunacy of the 2nd wave radical feminists (whose even more intellectually deformed descendants bring us gems like these: http://twitchy.com/2014/01/03/was-she-dropped-on-her-head-feminist-shrieks-about-sexual-intercourse-mockery-ensues/). It has nothing to do with the current wave of feminists campaigning against rape victims being accused of irresponsibility.

    It would be like accusing a Catholic of believing in killing children by citing the Children’s Crusade.

  • Sumo294

    Sigh–I will take the bait–tell me what the enlightened–what is it again? Feminism version 5.0 now defines rape to be or lets be specific what do they define male rape of a female to be?

  • bumfromkorea

    What bait, dude? You’re clearly using the decades-old rhetoric from a fringe wing of feminism to criticize the modern movement that has different philosophical roots altogether – in fact, the “4th wave” seems to be an extremely pragmatic, action-oriented bunch that seems to be born out of the convenience of social media rather than a specific ideology. And like many political movements, there are ranges of opinions within this batch of feminists. Most consider “consent” as the overriding criteria for rape, like many, many people who would not call themselves feminists.

    Then, there are these fringe nutbags:
    http://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/piv-is-always-rape-ok/

    which are distinctly different from most feminists you see today. Here’s a bunch of feminists making fun of the radical feminism that you seem to attribute to all feminism:

    http://groupthink.jezebel.com/i-read-this-batshit-radfem-blog-so-you-dont-have-to-1492978273

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    So men being accused of rape isn’t a “real problem”?

    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/17/opinion/jones-rape-claim-lawsuits/

    “In 2012, according to the FBI, nearly 87,000 “forcible rapes” were
    reported. That’s down 7% from the number of rapes reported in 2008. Law
    enforcement agencies estimate that the number of false rape accusations
    ranges from 2% to 8% annually, or between 2,000 and 7,000 cases each
    year.”

    But hey, going to prison for 10 years because the woman lied about getting raped is not a “real problem.”

    8% is definitely not “astronomically” low. And this is only what has been caught. It is likely that other false accusations do not get found out.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Yeah, and women recently made a book about rape a #1 mega hit. If anyone is fueling “rape culture” women might just be the ones. Is it not one of the most common female fantasies to be abducted or controlled, essentially to be raped? Is this another example of female hypocrisy? Who do you think will be the audience for Shades of Grey when it becomes a movie? Men?

    Your post sounds like one big pile of crap so common in American universities.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Hearing and internalizing are different things.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    The myth of regret rape? If up to 8% of rapes are FALSE, as I have already shown with a citation from CNN, then if regret is totally, 100% false, that 8%, or several thousand men going to prison for 10 years to life, are going there for what reason? Female vindictiveness? Tell me.

    The avalanche example should be easy to grasp. If you put yourself at risk, you will have higher risk. You conveniently failed to answer my question: if Woman A gets drunk every night at clubs with strange men, and Woman B enjoys quieter evenings with friends, who will get raped more at the end of the year?

    One easy example is how there is even a debate over whether false rape charges should lead to prosecution. That is itself is a double standard of evil proportions.

    Gender gaps in majors:

    http://www.bachelorsdegreeonline.com/blog/2012/10-college-majors-with-the-biggest-gender-gap/

    http://www.payscale.com/career-news/2009/12/do-men-or-women-choose-majors-to-maximize-income

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    How is he being a prick by pointing out your insane notion of “freedom from” something?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Yes. I would think “Damn, maybe getting drunk and passing out wasn’t such a great idea. Laura wanted to go to see the latest musical, and instead of going with her I chose to come get drunk wearing a tank top. I bet if I had gone with Laura the chances of getting raped would have been significantly diminished, although never 0%. Then again, 0% odds are very rare.”

  • eorinni

    I bet you are a hit with the ladies.

  • eorinni

    So men are hippos.

  • eorinni

    If you don’t know that this shit is legislated and that you actually have legal freedoms from certain things, you are dumb. If you think rape = getting molested by the tooth fairy, you are a prick.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Wow, the mind of a feminist. The inability to grasp simple analogies. Yes, and when we say “Its as hot as hell today” we literally mean we are in hell today.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Why is “being a hit with the ladies” so important? Is it the life-long purpose of every man to be “a hit with the ladies”? Don’t over rate your importance. Studies recently showed men think of sex as often as they do of ham and cheese sandwiches. And on the scale of actual priorities, you ladies rank up there with sandwiches.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Of course it is legislated, so what?

  • eorinni

    No, honey, I got it. You were comparing men to dangerous animals and saying that women should exercise caution around them because we might be raped. Which is funny, weren’t you complaining about that narrative earlier?

  • eorinni

    Nice, go tell that one to your mom. Tell her I feel sorry for her, while you’re at it.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Yes. There are dangerous people. Is this a newsflash? Was I saying ALL men are dangerous sexual predators? No, but I am not at all surprised that you would jump to that conclusion.

    There are rapists, molesters, tax cheats, drunk drivers, bullies, liars, politicians. None of this means that ALL people are rapists, molesters, tax cheats, drunk drivers, bullies, liars, politicians.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    What should I tell my mom? That I do not fall at the feet of women, see my whole life as a quest to please women, or that I do not rank you higher than basic integrity?

    Why is not being a woman-worshipper something to be ashamed of?

  • eorinni

    Look, if you will tell a woman to be careful because a man might rape her/tell her that she has the ability to mitigate her risk of rape, it really doesn’t matter that all men aren’t rapists. If she doesn’t want to get raped, she’d do better to stay away from them all, wouldn’t she? Maybe all hippos won’t gore and kill me, but why take the risk?

  • eorinni

    I don’t know why you’re getting so upset. I never said anyone here should worship women. I’m just saying I bet the commenter above doesn’t have a lot of luck with women. I didn’t say that was his life goal. Maybe he’s gay, for all I know.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I don’t want to get killed by mountain lions, so I avoid areas with mountain lions, though I do not shy away from those without them. Do you see? Of course, a mountain lion may stray into areas not thought to have them, it may even come into suburban areas and attack me while I am mowing my lawn.

  • eorinni

    Okay! We agree. Women should stay away from areas with men if they want to mitigate their risk of rape. Of course, a man might stray into otherwise safe spaces and attack them.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    How do you know he doesn’t have “luck” with women? Why is it “lucky” to succeed when all it takes is basic strategy that utilizes the female psychology? If by luck you mean the luck of finding a sane woman who isn’t vain, has wild mood swings and lives grounded in reality, then you are right, that is a rare and lucky find.

  • eorinni

    I didn’t say I “know” he doesn’t have luck with women. I’m just saying I’d bet on it.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Another fail. Mountain lions are not the only fauna in mountains. Likewise, rapists are not the only fauna among men.

  • eorinni

    Rapists and non-rapists are indistinguishable in terms of physical appearance. If safety is the concern, better not take the risk.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    True. But the likelihood of meeting them is increased in certain niche environments over others. Similarly, even mountain lions do not kill everything and certain behaviors increase the risk.

    I heard that if you get between a hippo and its young it is far far more likely to attack you. The best way for me to have minimized my risk on the Zambezi would have been never to leave my hotel, which has a nice view of the Zambezi from the pool. But, I got into a small boat and we headed off. We did try to avoid doing things that would enrage the hippos and I am still here.

  • eorinni

    If I’m going to believe your argument that I as a woman can mitigate my risk for rape + I know that women are raped even when they don’t enter what you might consider “dangerous environments,” then I gotta conclude that avoidance is the best tactic. My mother was raped in an elevator in her office building. It’s not worth it.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Things that have a 0% likelihood are rare.

  • eorinni

    If only rape outside of clubs or while wearing conservative clothing had a 0% likelihood.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    If only.

    Look, your rhetorric is dangerous to women. Period. Risk avoidance should be taught alongside self defense measures as well as teaching men that rape is bad and more significant punitive measures.

    But the thing is, you can teach all you want about rape being bad, some men will still rape. You cannot wish it away. Some men are psychologically that fucked up. Do you think the vast majority of men have not been taught, and have not internalized that rape is bad?

    What is your view on self-defense training? Is it not a way of mitigating risk, also? It clearly is. Should women then not be taught self-defense?

    Men get attacked physically, too, you know? In fact men are much more likely to die violently. We have not developed an insane rhetoric that asserts our freedom from being mugged, stabbed, shot or beaten because “no one deserves to be assaulted.” OF COURSE no one deserves it, but it happens and being in certain places and doing certain things increases our risk: walking around in downtown Detroit at midnight would be a high risk activity while doing it in a small town a much less risky one. We could also practice avoidance, but we know that is insane. That elevator can just as much be a place where a man gets stabbed for his wallet.

    Grow up

  • eorinni

    This is not the view I had when I entered this conversation. I’m going off of what you said: I shouldn’t let my politics come before my daughter’s safety. If that’s the way you want to play it, I’d rather teach my daughter to avoid men altogether. Thank you for your advice.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    and this is why you are insane feminazi drama queen.

    Good luck to ya

  • eorinni

    Thanks. At least I’ve minimized my risk for rape.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I see you:

    -answered none of my questions,

    – failed to address the statistic that I cited where false rape accusations are shown to be too common for comfort,

    – failed to address the fact that men are also targets of violent crimes, and

    – have not addressed my point on self defense.

    Classic avoidance. All you have are emotions.

  • eorinni

    Dude, you kept throwing this argument at me so I’m going to embrace it. You told me my choices could increase my risk of rape so I’m taking responsibility for my safety and the safety of my potential future daughter.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Just don’t get on welfare and expect to be supported. You or your daughter.

  • eorinni

    HAHAHA. That was relevant. Well don’t worry, I’m financially secure and doubt we pay into the same tax system.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Good for you. In that case, I am glad an bat chit crazy person like you will stay out of the population. If only more feminists followed your lead.

  • eorinni

    Sigh. We’d create a feminazi paradise where men are used exclusively for slave labor and sexual gratification! I’ll let you know if we ever achieve the dream.

  • SalarymaninSeoul
  • eorinni

    Please do.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    http://www.safehorizon.org/index/what-we-do-2/child-abuse–incest-55/child-abuse-facts-304.html

    And maybe your daughter should be taken from you seeing as women abuse children more than men do.

    “Of the 2012 child abuse cases, 45.3% of the perpetrators were male and 53.5% were female.”

  • eorinni

    Hmm… I don’t remember entering into a discussion about domestic violence/child abuse or claiming that men were more violent than women. Although I am getting paid to browse the internet right now, which makes our little chat much nicer than it might otherwise be, I’d appreciate it if you stuck to the claims at hand.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    You sure did enter it when you doubted my claim that women get away with things that men are nailed to the wall for. Why is it that women are much more abusive to kids than men but generally get custody pretty much automatically? The statistics say one thing, the perception is different. It is not in the welfare of the child to be taken from the father and given to the mother: Single females are notoriously bad parents as can be seen by statistics on kids from single mom homes. Financially, emotionally these homes tend to be unstable and the result is what it is: violent children.

    The article on violence ends like this: “But women’s violence has become increasingly legitimised. There is a sense now that it’s OK to ‘slap the bastard’.” Because it is perfectly fine for women to be violent against men.

    This has to do, of course, with the whole privilege discussion you instigated.

  • eorinni

    Huh? When did I doubt that claim?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    http://therightstuff.biz/2014/01/31/feminism-the-boredom-games/

    is this what you mean by modern-day feminism?

  • Sumo294

    I ask you to define rape according to feminism and their idea of Patriarchy. If you take Patriarchy out of feminism and promote equality then you have humanism and or libertarian philosophy, but they would refuse to be labeled with feminists. Remember, “ever woman I have gotten close to has told me she has been raped”. Utter bullcrap–define rape. It is interesting that “rape” is your call word to arms but yet you refuse to give a working definition of what that word means to you. Perhaps you are referring to visual rape where men leer and lust after women–therefore raping her over and over publicly against her wishes.

  • bumfromkorea

    If you take Patriarchy out of feminism and promote equality then you
    have humanism and or libertarian philosophy, but they would refuse to be
    labeled with feminists.

    That’s clearly not true. “Patriarchy” when used as a term to describe notions like “All male relatives = rapists” or “Abort male babies to reduce aggression” is clearly a distance and a half away from what these 4th wave feminists are advocating.

    It is interesting that “rape” is your call word to arms

    No, “Patriarchy” was my “call word to arms”. I don’t think those who identify as”4th wave feminists” even engage deep enough in philosophy to have such concepts as their tenets. As I’ve said before, they’re more about real-life activism (reproductive rights, equal wages, etc.) than the abstracts of ‘The Patriarchy is oppressing womyn from birth!’. The very concept of societal/inherent oppression vs. oppressed is Marxism, which is the red flag (no pun intended) that indicates that the idea you’re describing is 2nd wave radical feminism. I’m not even sure if half of these 4th wave feminists know who Karl Marx is, given their general disinterest in the abstracts.

    yet you refuse to give a working definition of what that word means to you

    Why would you want my working definition of what rape means? (Sexual intercourse/physical contacts without the consent of all parties involved) I’m not a feminist. I’m just very aware of their history/concepts because a project I worked for during college dealt with embryonic ethics, and history of feminism plays a big part in that subject.

    Perhaps you are referring to visual rape where men leer and lust after
    women–therefore raping her over and over publicly against her wishes.

    No, I think that leering and lusting is a perfectly natural part of male biology (I should know, firsthand). But then again, I’m not a feminist (let alone a 2nd-wave feminist).

    When a man oppresses a woman with his male gaze–what punishment do you advocate?

    I’d say the blue balls he gets is punishment enough.

    Obviously to root out systemic rape culture you have to address basic
    male masculinity and aggression and that begins with the so called “male
    privilege” of looking at women in order to intimidate them with visual
    violence.

    Only college sophomores who just discovered “Womyn’s Studies” department talk like that. They typically grow out of it after their 2nd or 3rd Vagina Monologues. The feminists I know (who are friends) may talk about the inherent male-centric aspects of our society. They often disagree with each other on the severity and impacts of the “rape culture” (I, for one, would say that the “Rape culture” definitely exists, but its impacts are as significant as Call of Duty’s impacts on American gun violence).

    Could it be that you mistook my attempt to clarify that “Patriarchy” rhetoric is not very applicable towards the other two “feminists” you’re arguing with here as my full-on declaration of loyalty to the Divine Sisterhood of the Almighty Uterus? 😀

  • stickerbrick

    It’s not “bullcrap” it’s the truth. You can choose to not believe me and I guess there’s no point in trying to convince you, but yeah, every woman I have been close enough with to share very personal information has shared that they have been raped. Now my experience, like I said, doesn’t necessarily mean anything, as it COULD be coincidence. Even at the most extreme numbers, stating that its 1 in 5 women, I’m still beating the, granted, not VERY long odds by always meeting that one out of the five. Either way, thats just MY experience, but it certainly helps shape MY worldview. Regardless, the numbers are there to back up that worldview. Rape is far more common that we care to admit. I can’t really even grasp your idea that this somehow equates to the idea that every man is a rapist. It only takes a few men who are serial abusers, serial date rapists, who have learned to manipulate and take advantage, to do this to MANY women. And who the hell are Yuna and Elgin?

  • stickerbrick

    *snort* first you conveniently only quote the HIGH end of the range of 2-8% given in your source. *snicker* Then you assume that ALL of those are cases of “regret rape.” *guffaw* THEN you assume that all those “false claims” result in men going to prison! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

    see? hilarious.

    Just like you ASSUME that a woman who gets drunk with strangers will be raped more than a woman who enjoys “quiet evenings with friends.” Based on WHAT? What numbers or stats exist to support that?? NONE. It’s your assumption that you just are incapable of letting go, in SPITE of what you know.

    Now run along, sweetheart. I ain’t got time for your garbage arguments anymore.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    So every single woman has been raped….you are insane. And furthermore, you postulate that all these women, for it would have to be significantly more than 1/5 (if you were normal and not some lunatic feminist who attracts similarly insane feminists) are raped by a small army of serial rapist marauding the countryside like the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse.

  • stickerbrick
  • stickerbrick

    lol like I said, I aint got time for your garbage lack of comprehension anymore. Bye bye sweetie

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    How is it garbage? If you were a normal, average woman then logically your experiences, and the experiences of your friends should not so wildly differ from even the most extreme exaggerations out there (1 in 5 raped); i.e. your general experiences should mirror the overall avarege. Ergo, either you are normal, and hence a liar, or you are a freak who attracts freaks and you are speaking the truth. Choose your poison, honey.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    But just reading your posting history clearly indicates you are not normal and hence you are likely to have been drawn to, and to have drawn, other bitter, psychotic individuals.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I see, so if it were ONLY 2% that would be fine and dandy? 2-8%, let’s say 5%, and thats only what has been proven. As if they unmask all cases of deceit.

    I didn’t assume all were regret rape, read my words: “if regret [rape] is totally, 100% false, that 8%, or several thousand men going
    to prison for 10 years to life, are going there for what reason? Female
    vindictiveness? Tell me.”

    So please, tell me. Whatever the case, be it criminal intent, blackmail, regret, vindictiveness, etc, 2-8% of rapists are in prison when they are innocent. You don’t care about that.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    She admits to having reported falsely. Then throws in histrionics.

  • stickerbrick

    “everyone who differs from the statistical average is either a freak or a liar” try again, dollface

  • stickerbrick

    pure garbage.

  • stickerbrick

    bye bye sweetypie

  • Sumo294

    Rape culture can only exist if there is Patriarchy. Hence you are saying male aggression is responsible as the root of all rape culture. Feminists, therefore, are arguing that in order to reduce rape culture you have reduce the overall contribution of basic male masculinity and aggression to the culture that produces rape. Patriarchy is male and all males regardless of their conscious choice participate and enforce male privilege on daughters and wives primarily through the institution of marriage, which according to feminists evolved from thousands of years of oppression and systemic rape of women. Marriage is the tool of male privilege to make women into child bearing slaves for the benefit of men and male culture. The institutionalization of marriage and the brain washing of women into thinking it is something positive is an example of how powerful Patriarchy is. Hence–women are not equal to males and cannot by definition give consent–therefore sex in marriage is an act of male aggression. Your father was a rapist and so are your brothers.

  • stickerbrick

    …ok I’ll throw you a bone, you’re just so adorably pathetic.

    HINT: who the fuck is throwing these innocent men in prison?? If their case made it into the false accusation stats, that means it was officially recognized as a false accusation, which means… can you follow the thread here…? You really just don’t have the mental capacity to handle translating basic statistics into meaningful concepts about reality.

    Dude, you’ve already outed yourself as a women-hating dickwad, so I’m really just responding out of boredom and pity, now. I was totally in the mood to take your ridiculousness on a day ago, but guys like you get old fast.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    This significantly? From what you told us this wasn’t simply a few women but EVERY WOMAN you have ever known. That is a lot of people and quite the deviation from the norm.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Many of these cases are recognized long after the trial, when the men have spent significant time in prison, have been publically humiliated, had to go through costly trials, have lost careers and families. Do YOU get it?

  • stickerbrick

    nope. not even close. I’m done with this. Youre wasting both of our time. its been fun, bye for realz,.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    You are intellectually unable to process simple facts.

  • stickerbrick

    Those poor men. Bye bye!

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    You are a liar and your posting history indicates a singular agenda.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    There you go. Innocent men are nothing. Your sarcasm is dripping with hate. You are a worthless liar. May your lies turn out true for you.

    Anyone who still believes the hatred of feminists past is not alive and well in today’s feminism should read the above comment. Innocence means nothing when there is an agenda to pursue.

  • stickerbrick

    kill all men

  • stickerbrick

    kill all men

  • stickerbrick

    kill all menz

  • stickerbrick

    I’m such a sucker. *sigh* here we go…
    I don’t know what more you want! I said “those poor men”… I admitted it’s a terrible thing, why aren’t you satisfied?!?!?!.

    Oh wait, I DO know what you want. You want to come into a comment thread on an article about rape apologism and talk about “what about false accusations? what about the MEN?!” so that you can get “feminists” to admit that they are actually evil sexists filled with hate, who only feign to care about equality of the sexes until they admit to not really caring about the problem a fraction of a percentage of men face as much as they care about addressing a problem ALL women are terrorized by.

    So, are you happy now? I really DON’T care all that much about false rape accusations! I’m evil to the core! I also don’t lose sleep worrying about reverse-racism, so I’m obviously a racist, too. While we’re at it, let’s talk about all the endangered species I am not out campaigning for, or the indigenous peoples whose land was stolen, whom I am not out there fighting for. By caring about some issues and not ALL issues, I am truly full of hate and discrimination! It makes my heart nearly burst I am filled with so much hate! That is what feminism is really all about, after all, and I believe whole-heartedly in the cause.

    Seriously dude, of all the causes to get behind, justice for false rape accusation victims is low on the list of terrribly pressing crises facing our criminal justice system. Yes, some people’s lives are ruined, but that happens to thousands of other people, too. There are other causes which could do more good for more people. But, I guess somebody has to care about this cause, so I’m glad it’s you and not me.

    Just curious, do you do activism for this cause anywhere BESIDES on internet comment threads about women’s issues??

  • bumfromkorea

    We’re going in circles here. You’re just repeating the same 2nd wave radical feminist stuff and insisting that that’s what all feminists believe, which is demonstratively false. This conversation is meaningless when it becomes a repetition of “Well, this is what they believe” no matter what I say, write, or demonstrate. It’s almost like arguing with a neoconservative about Islam – no matter what I say, the response will repetitively be “No, they believe that they should kill anyone who isn’t a believer.” while citing some asshole in Al Nusra when the topic is Muslims in America.

    Not a productive conversation at all. I’m out.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Justice for the innocent – A useless cause.

    Bravo. Its OK to break some male eggs, as long as we cook a nice delicious feminist omelet. Full of hateful goodness. Sounds yummy!

  • stickerbrick

    It’s not a “useless” cause. Let’s just say that it’s not personally engaging to me. Your presentation of it isn’t helping since it is so blatantly obvious you only care about this issue insofar as it enables you to hate women & feminism.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Because you hate men. Well, if by hating you mean lacking the white male guilt you so clearly express (elsewhere) that is needed, then yes. I lack even one iota of any sort of guilt based on my gender or skin color. I suppose that makes me hateful. I also suppose pointing out that several thousand men a year have their lives ruined by women who lie about rape also makes me a hateful bastard.

    And yes, I hate feminism. I do not hate women, save for feminists, but that nasty umbrella includes “men” as well.

  • stickerbrick

    haha I don’t hate men just because I don’t care about this issue. The logic you use to get that conclusion is quite twisted, if you can even call it logic.

    If I knew one or more men whom were falsely accused of rape, I would probably feel more personally invested in the issue, as do cancer survivors about cancer, or parents of angelman syndrome babies about A.S. I would, of course, never tell a cancer patient “I don’t care about your damn cancer” but cancer patients don’t come into discussions about rape and try to shame people for not talking about cancer.

    The simple facts are that I have known a few women who were raped. I have known zero women who ever reported it, and I have known zero men who were ever falsely accused. The problem of false accusations is purely academic to me, like the dwindling population of ring-tailed lemurs.

    I just don’t buy it, though, that you really care about these poor men, either. It just reads too strongly between the lines that these stats are just a tool for you to try to “trap” feminists into admitting they “hate” men so you can sneer and gloat and point to your “proof” that feminists are full of hate.

    It’s kinda funny, when I don’t think about how you are actually a real person. When I remember that part, it’s kinda depressing.

    How about lets agree on this: the way our society and justice system handles the problem of rape could be improved, for the good of both men and women.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    “The simple facts are that I have known a few women who were raped.

    So now its not “every single” woman?

  • stickerbrick

    Im getting pretty tired of your stupidity. Saying “every single woman I’ve ever been close enough to” does not mean “every single woman” or even “every single woman I’ve ever met”

    and if you want to disregard all my words for a throwaway 3 word phrase nobody else but you would take seriously, well. ok then. Kill all men is definitely what I meant.

    “trapped by the truth?” what does that even mean? NO, don’t tell me I don’t care any more.

    YOu win. I hate men and want them all dead. Do what you will with this information, and then fuck off and die.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    You are the idiot. Saying “every single woman I’ve ever been close enough to” does not mean “a few women.” You exaggerated and now dialed it back. You lied, like every feminist, and are now attempting to lie about lying.

  • stickerbrick

    lol @ “you lied like every feminist”….like how can you expect to make any kind of respectable point saying crap like this?…..And it IS every single woman I’ve been close enough to. I haven’t been at a level of supreme trust and sharing with EVERY woman I’ve ever met. How many women in your life would share that kind of personal information with YOU? From my impression of your personality I would guess zero. I said what I said and I haven’t changed it at all. YOU are the one who somehow decides to interpret that in whatever way suits your very transparent agenda. Jesus do you really believe the shit you write?

  • Ali Safavi

    Can’t tell who did this, but someone in Busan obviously saw the stupidity of the poster too…

  • Ali Safavi

    Can’t tell who did this, but someone in Busan obviously saw the stupidity of the poster too.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    All feminists lie because the very argument feminism advances is a lie.

  • stickerbrick

    hahahahahahahaha

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    That’s the spirit! Silly giggle, as expected of a silly girl.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2013/10/24/statistics-dont-back-up-claims-about-rape-culture

    Nothing says, nay, screams “FEMINIST” like a bold faced lie. In this case, your claim that one in five women get raped.

    “During the years surveyed, 1995-2002, the DOJ found that there were six rapes or sexual assaults per thousand per year. Across the nation’s four million female college students, that comes to about one victim in forty students. Other DOJ statistics show that the overall rape rate is in sharp decline: since 1995, the estimated rate of female rape or sexual assault victimizations has decreased by about 60 percent.”

    yes, this is about campuses only, but you would have to have an insane amount of raping to average out one in FORTY down to one in five.

    Look, just as with “patriarchy” you raging cows have created windmills at which you tilt your useless little brains. It would be far more beneficial if you shaved your legs instead of screaming your gaping mouths of.

    And a little on false accusations:

    “Across the country, students accused of sexual assault are regularly tried before inadequate and unjust campus judiciaries. At most schools, cases of sexual misconduct are decided by a committee of as few as three students, faculty members or administrators. At Swarthmore College, volunteers are now being solicited via email to serve on the Sexual Assault and Harassment Hearing Panel. Such a panel is far more likely to yield gender violence activists than impartial fact finders. In a court of law, we rely on procedural safeguards to ensure unbiased jury selection and due process. But on the college campus, these safeguards have vanished.

    What’s more, campus judiciaries operate under a dangerously low standard of proof for sexual assault cases, thanks to federal mandates. Since April 2011, the Department of Education has required institutions to consider cases of sexual misconduct under a “preponderance of evidence” standard (rather than a higher “clear and convincing” standard, which was commonly used prior to the new guidelines). This means that if a majority of committee members believe it is just slightly more likely than not that a sexual assault occurred, they must side with the accuser. ”

    In essence, to be a feminist one must have a total disregard, or even a hatred of the truth when the truth gets in the way of a sick, twisted and demented agenda.

  • stickerbrick

    lol you are really something else

    “you raging cows” dude your misogyny is showing you might wanna take care of that before trying to make any kind of “point” that doesn’t appear just stupidly and disgustingly biased.

    It’s always dudes like you who are so quick to point out differing statistics as a “bold-faced lie.”

    btw, that is the most conservative result I’ve ever seen from a study about sexual assault. Did they use only convictions to determine that number?

    please explain to me what this “sick, twisted and demented agenda” is. I’m dying to get your no doubt hilarious interpretation.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Wow, female logic at its best. “How dare you bring up empirical evidence that undermines the beliefs I hold so dearly?! You are a sexist pig!”

  • stickerbrick

    lol I keep telling you, I’m a man, but really the point is that you ARE a sexist pig. Until you fix that, anything you bring to the table is obvious poison.

    lol @ “empirical evidence.”. That survey you’re referencing has been legitimately called into serious question by the National Research Council over the probability that it is vastly undercounting instances of sexual assault.

    http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=18605

    but still, the real and tangible problem here is not statistical, it’s that you just hate women.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    You never told me you were a man. I have nothing against women. Its the feminists I hate. And white knights like you.

  • stickerbrick

    haha I coulda sworn I told you. Oh well musta been one of the other guys exactly like you I’ve been amusing myself with these days.

    You have nothing against women??? You use anti-women rhetoric only against feminists? You attack only feminists’ female-ness (not their ideas)? You use patronizing, sexist language only against feminists? lol no dude if you do that at all, you got a problem with WOMEN. Sorry but yeah, there ain’t no way around it.

    Just for giggles (silly girl giggles) what exactly is your problem with “feminism?” What are you talking about when you say “the very argument feminism advances is a lie”???.. cuz you can’t be talking about “the belief that women and men are equal, and should be treated equally.”

    btw, lol at your use of “white knights.” It’s like you attended one semester at MRA kindergarten!

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    So basically, you are an emasculated gamma-male who discusses intimate rape stories with women and defends them on-line while pretending to be a woman. You have a hatred of your gender and, I assume, your skin color, though its possible you are non-white and believe that only whites can be racist and whites, especially white men, have a duty to feel guilt for their sex and skin color.

    The lie is that feminism seeks equality. This is a hideous lie. It seeks nothing less than complete victory. I do not believe men and women are equal. This is a cancerous belief that ignores the fact that we are different and hence cannot be “equal.” Equality before the law has already been established. Women are not, in the West, denied anything men are allowed. The law, in fact, treats women far better than men: women get lighter sentences for crimes across the board, are immune from things like having to provide proof when entering charges (for rape, men are guilty until they manage to somehow prove themselves innocent) and they are overwhelmingly favored when it comes to custody of children. Women skate through life with little to no consequences. But you don’t mean equality before the law because that would mean a harsher reality than the one women occupy. You mean equality of outcomes where state coercive powers are used to give women advantages that nullify their natural shortcomings, all at the price of punishing and disadvantaging men.

  • stickerbrick

    lol yer fuckin crazy

  • Blu Scarab

    If you met a real asshole and punched his face, I guarantee you’ll blame it on him for being an asshole. I guarantee you’ll make it out to be his fault.