Have a good weekend folks.
Prank the tourists this weekend. Go to Gwanghwamun plaza and harass tourists that are taking pictures. Tell them photos have to include the entire Yi Sunshin statue or Sejong the great statue or else they risk deportation. Just like they do in NK with Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il statues in Pyongyang.
1) Anyone know where I can get red ranger boiler chicks for free range poultry farming in Korea?
2) Anyone know where I might obtain seed to plant limequat hybrid cold tolerant trees?
3) Anyone know where I might find dwarf lavender container seeds or seedlings?
Gawd, I’m getting to despise walking through Itaewon more and more. Itaewon was a thousand times better when Koreans were afraid of it.
It’s not just that Koreans are ignorant, but that they go out of their way to let everyone know just how damn ignorant they are, especially in Itaewon. Have you seen the Evangelical loser with the bullhorn walking around and shouting that people will go to hell? Nobody gives a rats ass and he harasses everyone every damn weekend. He has a partner now.
Notice that Koreans are already starting to let the Sewol tragedy fade from their collective memories. 300 dead kids, and most Koreans don’t even give a fuck. Contrast this with the Korean reaction when 2 Korean teenagers were accidentally killed by US armed forces and there were candle-lit protests for months. Contrast this with the hundreds of thousands who took to the streets to protest the decision to re-allow US beef to be sold in Korea.
North Korean shells the South, and what does the South do? Invite the fucking Norks to participate in the Asian games. You can’t make this shit up.
Here is a nasty breaking story to share from one of Korea’s most well known universities, and one that esteemed US leader and monkey boy visited not too long ago: A professor in the English literature department has been notoriously sexually harassing students in his department for well over 10 years. He was married, and he even seduced and lived with one of his graduate students who was also married for about 4 years. Once the guy started to cheat on his live-in lover, she sued him. The university started looking over the evidence of misconduct and the former president of the university said it was the most sordid situation he had ever seen. The prof was fired, but then the prof sued the university!
The sexual harasser prof is very well politically connected, and an SNU alum. The Ministry of Education decided to make him take a 3 month leave of absence and then he is allowed to return to his duties. The students of the department are doing everything they can to protest and fight his return, but the new university president, also an SNU alum, is indifferent. The prof denies all the allegations against him and claims that the women seduced him and used him, and they are to blame, and he is just an innocent man who cares about his students too much.
Another example of Korea sparkling!
Gawd, I’m getting to despise walking through Itaewon more and more. Itaewon was a thousand times better when Koreans were afraid of it.
It’s not just that Koreans are ignorant, but that they go out of their way to let everyone know just how damn ignorant they are, especially in Itaewon.
It’s not just that Koreans are ignorant, but that they go out of their way to let everyone know just how damn ignorant they are, especially in Itaewon.
It was better when you didn’t have to mix with the goddamn benighted locals, eh?
No poultry imports allowed, due to Avian Flu scare. And Koreans will tell you that Korean bred chickens taste better anyway. Any kind of seeds are banned from import. They will tell you another plant or species will not be as GOOD as a Korean one anyway.
This is for cmxc.
You want Korea bashing? Fine. Bash Korea all you want. We know the country leaves so very much to be desired and you’re making a good case. But brother, please, find other threads for your exposé, just not in one of these Open Threads, pretty fucking please. OK? A few sympathetic thumbs-up aside, your tirade will only rouse apologists up in here, and we end up with same old boring ass back-and-forths that are going nowhere.
Weekends are for fun, right? Right?
P.S. For what it’s worth, I agree with you on a lot of local issues.
Damn–there has to be a way–how the hell the original stuff get to Korea?
The moron is complaining that there are too many Korean in Itaewon, Seoul, South Korea – because one street preacher annoyed him today. Do you know how many crazy-ass preachers screaming that Mormons and Whores who sleep around without marriage will burn in hell I see hourly? He’s not making a good case. And arguing against using the Sewol victim as his personal mantra when the funerals aren’t even finished isn’t apologist – it’s a natural disgust.
The moron is also complaining that the Koreans don’t even give a fuck about the Sewol victims, when the public pressure is so intense that Park made a guano-crazy move and actually disbanded a branch of public service. He’s clearly a 한국어의 “한”자도 읽지 못하는 돌대가리 꼴통새끼, and he can’t even tell the difference between 북한이 아시안 게임에 참가 하겠다는 거하고 남한이 북한을 초대하는것. And considering there are plenty of English sources that also clarifies that fact, he’s either 난독증 or 아예 뉴스를 안본다는거죠.
이 미친놈이 그 다음에 써놓은거 보세요. 영어로 구글에서 “교수 성추행” 검색해보느까 미국에서 이번달만 WVU, SJU, 그리고 UoD 에서 사건 터졌던데, this idiot is simply plugging in the local news to fit his persecution complex-addled little mind. With his method, I can make America look like a 14th century Dark Age serfdom with just today’s news.
He doesn’t have a point. He’s not making good arguments.
What is the penalty if I get caught smuggling in chickens and non-native seeds in Korea?
Girlfriend, you agree with what the dope writes. Why the whining, then? What do you suppose “open” in “open thread” means?
배부르는 소리 하시네.
I’m getting the impression that it’d be a lot cheaper for you to just make the trip to the States.
I hear you, but I think it all comes down to half-empty/half-full perspectives.
That said, I hope you don’t mind me bowing out on this.
Itaewon would be a thousand times better if ignorant, generalizing, bitter expats didn’t occupy the bar stools. Maybe the locals will drive your kind out.
And the food and beer scene in Itaewon / HBC is better than ever because Koreans are spending money there as well. More customers = more restaurants.
It really wasn’t about what you wrote. I apologize if it was received that way.
It’s all good. The opposite of love is not hate, they say. Give ‘em a break, will you.
Life in Korea sure ain’t easy for most of us, Koreans and non-Koreans alike.
If cmxc is a “dope,” what are you, son?
Nah, don’t get mad at me. Let’s keep it light here and talk about something else.
Do most expats really think too many Koreans in Itaewon is ruining the place? Actually, I’ve read that elsewhere a number of times, and now I’m getting the sense that this is a widespread feeling.
Any of you listen to metal?
It may be an old genre, but you know what, embrace it.
All you metalheads out there, it’s your time. Get in the pit. Here comes Megadeth.
어쭈! 야 이 기집애야, 너 몇살이야?
Your comments are incoherent because you are dishonest.
You started the whining at cmxc. You get called on, and now you ask to “keep it light”, and to change the subject?
그렇게 살지 마세요.
Most restaurants at Itaewon are still expensive and not very good though. I only eat at two places there since the rest are overpriced and not very good. Even O’Riley’s is a tiny bit off, as of late, likely due to the economy.
I hang in the places where I usually don’t see another foreign face, though I had a couple of foreign white dudes come into a bar I was at and they had excellent Korean skills!
A Korean verbatim:
어쭈! 야 이 기집애야, 너 몇살이야?
Your comments are incoherent because you are dishonest.
You started the whining at cmxc. You get called on, and now you ask to “keep it light”, and to change the subject?
그렇게 살지 마세요.
You started the whining at cmxc. You get called on, and now you ask to “keep it light”, and to change the subject?
그렇게 살지 마세요.
And you give Korean males a bad name. What a shame.
That’s nonsense. This is Korea; Koreans are everywhere. Personally, I am a little more wary of the foreigners there.
You can buy lavender plants here though. Is dwarf lavender really that different from the lavender one can buy here?
OK, cmxc’s typically toxic brew aside, the problem with Itaewon is that it’s looking more and more like Sinsa-dong. And yeah, the change in clientele probably has something to do with that, although how much of it is because Koreans discovered it, and how much is because Koreans FROM CHEONGDAM-DONG discovered it, I don’t know.
Gyeongnidan is the place to be now anyway, at least until that gets ruined, too.
You mean it’s NOT a 14th century Dark Age serfdom?
Sorry. I get most of my news about Migukistan from Gawker.
There are some good little places, run by some nice folk, tucked back in Shinsa though that are great to hang at though. I mostly avoid the chaebol franchises, though they have tried to disguise their chaebol origins.
Ran out of arguments, eh?
Anyway, I hope you would learn to become more honest, with yourself and others – say what you will about cmxc, he comes out and say what’s on his mind.
Have a lovely weekend.
I miss the old King’s Club. I knew things were a changin’ when that got remodeled. Such great memories in that dive.
To cmxc: I apologize if I made you retract your comment. Have a good weekend.
I’m out, too.
ebay has been hacked. I changed my PW and if anyone has not done so yet, they should.
There are tons of Asian foreigners, what about them? And how can you tell them apart from native Koreans?
느낌 and language.
The street behind the Hamilton is certainly catering to upscale Koreans looking for a trendy place to kick it.
Yes, Gyeongnidan is the place to eat and drink. I recently had the best Vietnamese I’ve had outside of Vietnam at a little place called Le Saigon right on the main road. Price wasn’t bad either.
Sportsman I hear was better
Robert said have a nice weekend not have a bad weekend. That was one bad weekend rant cmxc.
I think that rant was calling for Itaewon to be turned into a foreign reservation you know like those Indian Reservations back in the US.
Changed mine as a precaution. Not that I would store credit card info there.
Get real, they’re talking from a personal perspective.
As an analogy, if you’re an NFL fan are you going to be gushing with joy when the stadium is overrun by rythmic gymnasts.
This thread should rightfully be named the “Memorial Day Open Thread.”
You know, for all those Korean War veterans (and others) who gave their “last full measure of devotion.”
You are the most conflicted Messiah EVAH.
Ahem. I think you mean, ‘HERE is Korea…”
They aren’t wearing Teeny Weeny t-shirts?
yet another rampage!
sumo, how are you there in cheju? listen, how would you say ‘limequat hybrid cold tolerant trees’ in korean?
speaking of korean:
‘북한이 아시안 게임에 참가 하겠다고 발표하는거하고 남한이 북한을 초대하는것.’
i doubt cmx could undertsand such a sentence.
The difference is non Koreans came there and don’t have to stay. These guys stay for years and become more Korean than Koreans. I haven’t read anything out here that can better describe “han” to an outsider than the bitter tears of expat white guys.
Likely wants the dwarf variety for growing in pots?
He never does.
Not if you give them skimpu outfits. Oh wait. You could turn them into cheerleaders.
cmxc nearly turned it into the cmxc rant thread.
I think he should just open his own blog site. After all this guy is calling for all baby bitch white boys in Korea to weep their toxic tears all over the internet.
That will quickly degenerate into a Korea troll blog. You know what type of online personalities that will attract.
Do you have to bring up a tragedy in such a manner? Truly sad. Condolences to all the victim’s families.
You mean they took the flea out of the flea market?
i don’t know where you guys find these blogs.
Or the most conflicted troll bait.
yet another rampage.
Nope. The cmxc rant kind of got the weekend off on the wrong foot.
speaking of korea blogs, check out the one listed below, why do expat women come across as happy as opposed to expat men?
As much as I like to bitch about the bastards here in Arizona, I have to say I love this place as a whole. I love it especially more, now that the federal district court has turned Arpaio into its personal dancing monkey. It’s glorious, seeing him get bitch-slapped left and right, and his armies of cronies now playing campus cops at ASU.
But now that we’re nearing June, I’m sure I’ll be bitching about the weather real soon… T_T
Watching UEFA Champions League Final Atletico Madrid 1 Real Madrid 0
It’s no harder to find these blogs than it is to find kpop websites…does that give you any idea?
So? It’s very easy to find videos with misguided history lessons on Korea in youtube.
93rd minute header by sergio ramos! Atletico Madrid 1 Real Madrid 1
I think I was responding to the wrong person. I don’t usually look for history lessons on youtube. What I mean is if you just do a search on Korea you will find lots of stuff about kpop and sometimes I think people don’t even realize the sites they link to on their own blogs. It’s unfortunate to have someone that just got interested in Korea run across an expat blog written by one of the entitled white boys with micro penis crowd. I’ve seen some pretty ugly stuff on some of those blogs. Really racist shit.
I’m familiar with this blog. There is also Soul of Seoul written by a young woman married to a Korean musician. She’s happy too. There was a blog last year by a woman living in Korean and she was often critical but never mean or racist. Her writing always came across to me as being more homesick than anything. She was never mean or racist. She left last year and shut down the blog.
I have a theory why women don’t write nasty racist blogs about Korea but you might not like it. First off I think if a young woman comes to Korea and absolutely doesn’t like it, she doesn’t bother to get on the internet and bitch about it she just goes home. Next, I think the kind of woman that travels to another country alone to live and work is better prepared to adapt to her surroundings. I think women are better at adapting in most instances anyway. I also think women might travel to Korea for different reasons and have different expectations. Nasty expat blogs are almost exclusively the domain of white men. I call it cracker syndrome. It’s that deeply ingrained, always unrecognized white privilege mentality. I’ve seen a couple of blogs by black men in Korea and neither of them are hater blogs. It’s a white guy thing. These assholes can’t be happy back home and they won’t be happy anywhere else either.
It seems like Korea is attracting a lot of spoiled expats. These clowns are by no means representative of whites in general(BTW how can you tell that they are whites by their posts?). I wonder if the same crap happens in say China, and/or Japan.
i agree with all you’ve written here. yes, if a lady goes to korea and does not like it, she does the sensible thing and leaves. and yes, it’s likely she’s done her homework and so she’s better prepared for an adventure. one thing you did not mention is sex. women don’t go to korea to have sex. women generally go to korea because something about it’s culture attracts them. in fact, the expat men who come off as happy seemed to have gone to korea for something other than tang. as for nasty blogs being run by white men, i think there’s two reasons for that: one, their status declines and they resent having ‘effeminate’ asian men having the power to make them into minorities and two, more white men are attracted to asian women while black and latino men are interested in white woman. that’s just my take.
i hope you have a good day, bigmamat!
Because the black guys identify themselves as black. There’s that one black guy that mostly writes a food blog. I can’t remember the name right off hand. He often posts about other things but he concentrates more on his food adventures. How can I tell they’re white? Intuition? Maybe because they sound like the same guys back here at home that bitch about gays, mexicans, blacks, and how the country is going to hell in a hand basket.
I’m not sure that black and latino men are more attracted to white women. I think men in general can be fairly non discriminatory when it comes to poontang. I think maybe black and latino men might have a harder time scoring in Korea than the average white guy. Obviously because Koreans are still fairly distrustful of dark people. Absolutely you are right. Many of the nasty racist bloggers in Korea are not ashamed to climb right out of the sack with a Korean woman, sit down at their computer and start clicking away at whatever racist shit they’ve got swimming around in their tiny heads.
Frankly I don’t get involved with losers who waste their time trashing the country that is hosting them. If it weren’t Korea they’d be in another country trashing that country too. Maybe they came for all the wrong reasons. Perhaps they thought “Korean girls are easy” or they figure it is a nice “hiding” place to do all the crap figuring nobody will know what they did back in their home countries.
After extra time Atletico ran out of gas. Atletico Madrid 1 Real Madrid 4. Intense game.
It appears that most of them are english language teachers. Some of them even seem like they’ve been there awhile. None of them seem to have any problem with having a Korean girlfriend and then bashing the country and it’s culture online. I figure they’re all the kind of guys that wouldn’t be happy even if they were home. Many of them think their writing skills and use of three dollar words makes them some kind of literary genius.
i never thought about the korean woman’s angle and you’re right, white men would have a better chance at scoring than a black or latino dude.
say, you know that youtube guy who goes by the name mike aronson? that guy seems to be enjoying his time in korea. interesting that he became aware of korea by way of k pop. in other words, it wasn’t the poon.
have a good day, bigmamat.
No I’ll check him out but…Kpop is about the poon…I can’t see any other reason for girl groups…or boy groups either really…it’s not about the music that’s for sure…you have a good day too…I ordered pizza cause I’m hungry and lazy….
I thought you might be talking about the guy who does the QI Ranger stuff but his name is Steve Miller…I couldn’t find any youtube videos for mike aronson…except some real estate agent…
I’ve heard complaints about ESLers before. One solution is to tighten the requirements so that only people who are genuinely are pursuing careers in teaching are hired. Not that this will eliminate the problem entirely but should reduce it significantly.
That dude (Aronson) is legit, but I wouldn’t call him a fan of Korean idol pop.
give me a link I couldn’t find him
ok let me rephrase that: he became aware of korea by stumbling onto a k pop video. i don’t know but the kpop video could have been guys singing, right? my point is, he didn’t seek out korea because of women. he stumbled upon korea and became interested in the place. could korean women be part of the equation? maybe but i won’t chide a young man for being interested in young k ladies when it’s obvious he’s interested in so much more than k tang. here’s the link to his page. he has many videos. his initial videos talk about how he became aware of korea. i like this young man. i hope good things happen to him.
he reads this blog, btw. so now a trot song about the subway, mike? fantastic!
A lot of different types of lavender–only six taste well with meat–also the dwarf lavender grows with less sunlight and less trimming. The full sized lavender needs a lot of pruning and upkeep.
I thought Smokey’s made a good burger–is this not true anymore?
The rampage of a highly sexually frustrated 22 year old student in Isla Vista, California, is another reminder that the US is struggling to contain gun-related violence of the mentally disturbed.
While some will argue this incident provides further evidence that gun ownership should be further restricted, others will argue that the US is failing to deal with its growing mental health crisis.
In any case, I wonder if prostitution were as ubiquitous in the US as it is in Korea, could such a tragedy have been averted? In other words, perhaps Elliot Rodger, was “in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history.” Had this student come to Korea/China/Asia to teach English upon graduation, he might find himself overwhelmed with sexual possibilities.
oop! the subway video is three years old. don’t know how i missed it.
So, basically you don’t know what ethnicity someone is unless they identify themselves as such…
PS. What am I?
Well that’s a good idea. However, while that might mean they are qualified it still doesn’t mean their character will be any better. People with teaching certificates are human too. I know the government has drug and STD screening requirements. I think they get screened fairly well. You just can’t really screen people for racism or just plain bad attitude, that has to reveal itself.
I’ve been here for about 20 years. So, having lived here when it was still a developing country, I agree with you that people who trash this country are bitter losers. It’s actually become an OK place to live…not good enough for me to want to live another 20 here (my family and I are moving in two months), but most certainly not anywhere near as terrible as some people make it out to be.
Well, there, there. You’re no better than them as you are also making blanket statements. You’re talking about few dozen bitter losers. Don’t ignore the silent majority.
That would involve hagwons, public schools, and universities paying their foreign English teachers more than what a bus driver earns.
I thought you might be Korean but I’m not totally sure. The way I know most of the guys are white is because they all complain about the same things or they identify themselves at some point as white. Bloggers as opposed to people who comment have a tendency to reveal more about themselves anyway. Do you want me to do an actual head count? Please don’t make me…should I qualify and say that it’s just my own totally unscientific, completely unsubstantiated, female intuition. Damn dude!
Good to know that you weren’t blaming this on Koreans. I was afraid what Koreans have done this time to earn your displeasure.
Ironically, you’re one of the most consistently bitter person I’ve come across in my many years of reading K-blogs.
you’re actually right on the money. i wondered the same thing. if you were to look at japan and it’s historical prostitution, you would find the rationale would be this: it keeps the young men calm and makes them less violent.
btw, here’s a choice quote about this incident from a commenter on gawker:
‘We’ve got a never-ending media conversation about whether black people have a “culture of violence.” We have a massive Islamaphobia industry. But
angry white dudes shoot up innocent people again and again and again and somehow it’s always a conversation about gun control and not white male culture— a conversation, by the way, that never leads to more gun
indeed! when will we be seeing articles about white culture and violence by white men?
don’t you have some korean men to beat up? yawn.
btw, you the expat i’m talking about, haus.
There you go. Men go to Korea to have sex? Screw you. I came because I studied taekwondo as a kid and was fascinated by the CBC coverage of the 88 Olympics, which was basically a 24 hour a day travel show…although my mom jokes that it’s because when Mr. Kim sold his home to my parents, he left them his daughter’s crib for me (I wasn’t born yet).
Where’s the blanket statement? That most of them appear to have gotten to Korea by way of teaching? What about that statement is blanket? The use of “most” indicates that I don’t think “all”. The use of the verb “appear” in this instance means “to give the impression of being” not state a fact. So please tell me what blanket I threw over where? I’m just having a conversation with you. Throw shit against the wall and see it if sticks. So you tell me what’s your impression of bloggers that appear to hate Korea?
when i saw the disqus note saying somebody was typing, i knew it was you. you need to read my post again but here:
‘in fact, the expat men who come off as happy seemed to have gone to korea for something other than tang.’ pawi
i’ll let you know when i set up a blog where the sole purpose is to disparage white men.
I’m not ethnically Korean. How’s that for an answer?
So, you’re saying you’re not just bitter, but also into race baiting. Sorry, but I already knew that.
REALLY???? i couldn’t tell that with all your korea bashing.
my suspicion is english is your second language so ‘tang’ is slang for ㅂ ㅗ ㅈ ㅣ
Well, it seems to me you’re making the same mistake that they are doing, which is assuming that the minority represents the whole.
You’ve been doing so here for a while. Maybe it’s time you get your own blog so that you can keep your venom there.
Yes, these bloggers do complain most of all about their jobs. Teachers aren’t paid well and the entire work culture is very different from the west. I understand the government jobs often come with a lot of scheduling snafus and down time with little to do. The hagwon teachers complain of having to do extra hours without pay. I’m not sure about university teachers. I understand and sympathize with labor issues. I’m a working person too. I’m not saying all these bloggers complaints are not without basis. Nor am I saying all teacher bloggers are like the people we are discussing. I will say it would help their case against the crappy work conditions if they would not reduce their comments to a racist rant on the entire culture.
I said “ethnically”. Fuck you’re dense.
i hope you don’t hate me. btw, white men are good in bed.
i know what you wrote, jerk.
that’s korean for ‘yawn’.
Yeah like pedophile teachers that you hear about in the US not that Korea doesn’t have any of them. As to racism they will reveal themselves. Those racist would make me wonder why they even bothered coming to Korea at all.
bigmamat, the english teacher is well paid. he get’s almost 2k tax free per month. he gets free housing ie no rent. he gets free food ie no charge for school lunch. he gets free medical care ie no insurance payment every two weeks. in other words, he’s got about 2k of disposable income every month. how many of us americans have that?
I would just ignore them. Like I said in another comment, these people make up a small minority of the English teachers and an even smaller percentage of the expats in Korea as a whole. A few dozen people bitching online (and they are often the same people) do not deserve our attention.
I have no problem with people checking out the country for 1 year and realizing it is not for them. It is when they get online and turn blogs into whinefests. Not every country is for everybody and this does not have to do with level of development of a country.
I’m not talking about all Korean bloggers. I’m talking about the obviously unhappy to be in Korea bloggers. I’m talking about the ones that call Koreans “klowns”. What are you talking about? Because yes… those are the butthurt, micro penis, dim wits that if they were back home would also still be sitting on the same stool at the same damn shit bar every Friday at the same time drinking the same beer and bitching about fat chicks and the government intruding on their lives and how men are being emasculated by feminists….yeah…that’s what I’m talking about…those guys.
I own my home and have paid more taxes in Korea than you ever will. So, yeah, don’t even go there.
You forgot proper screening. If you are going to pay generously make sure people earn it or you are going to get a lot of freeloaders.
English teachers have very limited long term career advancements. The frustration begins to sits in after a while knowing they’re not going anywhere. Yet, easy money for little work is addicting like a drug, and going back home means uncertainty. So the feeling of being trapped leads to anger issues and negativity, and the online is an easy medium to take out your frustrations on. I’ve always believed that Korea’s misguided indiscriminate hiring of young foreign ESL teachers who are not career teachers, has hurt Korea’s image and reputation. If Korea really begins to hire real teachers, pay them fairly, and offer real career choices and advancements, there wouldn’t be this much negativity and hostility towards the country. Or better yet, just get rid of the learn English craze by dropping English requirements for jobs. And stop making it so easy for so many foreign teachers to be hired.
It is very unlikely that you will get Korea to drop the English craze. Just tighten requirements for it and make sure people who are genuily into education get hired.
are you an english teacher?
I’m neither white nor gay so I wouldn’t know.
And you still don’t get it? Fuck, you’re dense.
seoulgoodman, please publish photo of yourself.
No, it’s childish Korean for ‘yawn’, hence my reply.
Look I’m an American and everyone knows what people say about us. A good portion of it is true. I also don’t think my country or any other is above criticism. Reducing any discussion to suggesting that someone is sub-human which I’ve actually seen is nothing short of some weird racist pathology.
Actually, living here was pretty hard when I first came because it was still a developing nation. So, the level of development is an important factor in my eyes because now because, in my opinion, there’s very little left to complain about.
Those would be the government teachers. I think some of these people start out at government jobs but end up in hagwons. I’m pretty sure at least one of them I’ve read that’s his story.
OK, but those people are a minority. Don’t make the mistake of thinking like pawi, who insists they form the majority.
Well, it’s not as if hagwon owners are well screened and competent.
The problem is they want to hire kids straight out of university because many are 1) highly impressionable and 2) willing to work for cheap.
At least universities are being more demanding nowadays.
I dont’ think it was that bad even 20 years ago, other than maybe there were less Western consumer products like cheese, wine, imported cars and stuff like that. Twenty years ago, the country still had good transportation system (which has expanded much since), it wasn’t exactly “developing”, it was fairly and relatively developed.
What’s it to you?
Yeah I figured that out now…you’ve been in Korea awhile that’s obvious…Look don’t tell me I don’t know white guys whine a lot. I’m around them all the time. Out of every ten men at least 3 of them will be complainers, with perhaps two more just being angry. lol
No, that’s pretty standard across all types of schools (except for the school lunches). The problem is that these private schools pamper these people, but at the same time abuse them. It’s the whole unregulated shady English industry that’s the problem that keeps hiring anybody that is white, which is the problem.
You’re assuming I lived/live in Seoul.
Where did you live?
I’m not white, though.
PS. My complaints about Korea are those of an informed voter and concerned parent.
That’s because he relates to them. It’s a lazy way of looking at the world and suggests some pretty unhealthy inner turmoil. People don’t leave these things behind when they leave their home country.
Interesting read here, and some stuff discussed is relevant to Korea:
But, personally I think the writer comes across as if he is ranting on Dave’s.
Yes you can. Instead of accepting any Dick, Harry, and Jane. Give them a flexibility/personality test. Do they have an open mind to different cultures? Are they flexible enough to roll with the punches when things go unexpectedly wrong? Will they be able to adapt to strange working culture, or will they insist on doing their own way? How much perseverance do they have when things go tough? etc etc.. you get the ideal. But many of these Korean recruiters don’t care about those. All they want is a warm body with a kind white face to get them maximum profit. And the Korean government allows/encourages this in the name of English education.
Out in the provinces. Still do. People are considerably wealthier now than they used to be. When I started my current job, nearly 20 years ago, there were few cars in the parking lot, and most were old beaters. Now, most are new cars and quite a few are luxury imports (5-10%).
I know being an adult is terrible. I’m only focused on Korea now because I’m so cynical and disgusted with my own country. I just don’t want to talk about it anymore. I’m really burnt out on American politics. Defeated.
People can still like a country despite the level of development. An example is Philippines. If you’ve only known developed countries then it is hardedr than say the other way round in that sense.
Sure, but the point I’m making is that living in Korea is pretty comfortable.
That is part of the problem. Perhaps a certification/licensure system for these people will do.
Yes, he does relate to them. Interesting way of putting it. Birds of a feather flock together.
I agree they should at least get paid what Korean teachers get paid, provided that they have the teaching experience. But I also believe that they should be required to look for their own living arrangements, they should not be given special foreigner breaks, and required to buy their own tickets. In other words, treat them like the way Korean teachers are treated in Korean schools. If foreign teachers are treated fairly like a Korean, it will weed out a huge chunk of foreign teachers who couldn’t handle it. And it will actually require real commitment from foreign teachers who do stay in Korea.
Those already exist. They are called MA in TESL/TEFL, MEd, BA in TESL/TEFL and BEd.
Which provinces? As I remember, even twenty years ago, small towns and smaller cities still were relatively evenly developed – unless you were living middle of nowhere near the farming rice paddies or something. Any imported products were considered luxury products and it would be expensive and less often seen.
My uncle’s second wife was Filipino. He spent at least 10 to 15 years back and forth before they came back for good. He liked it. I like the food and my family.
You’re assuming Korean teachers aren’t paid well. As for Korean university teachers, they get a sabbatical every 7 years (as the word implies). Do you think they give those to their foreign staff? They most certainly don’t.
Korean teachers are paid very well. What I’m saying is foreign teachers should be paid just as any Korean teachers, but at the same time, cut out the foreigner benefits. Make everyone equal.
Yes but Korea is not for everybody. Just like Japan is not for everybody and the same with China. You probably are so used to Korea that it is 2nd nature by now.
Revamp it and tie it to education degrees.
Well, back then the largest grocery store had 3 aisles and it was not rare to see a farmer bring a live cow to its butcher…and it’s not a small town by any means.
Those are classes and teaching certificates. Anyone who wants to teach should have teaching majors, and have actual experience teaching. Then of course, that would mean the pool of teachers applying for Korea would be much smaller. But then for those who do meet the criteria, the pay and benefits will multiply because their talents are really do required badly.
While Korea has been improving the last twenty years–America has been declining–tho America is still a better place to live as of yet–the handwriting is on the wall. I definitely would not want to retire in America. California is on forefront of American decline.
That’s why I asked you which province and town.
Nice weather and beaches. It must be to Koreans what Americans think of the Caribbeans. But then you got those douchebags who hangout with bargirls and so forth.
Yes, there’s that, too. But, there’s also the fact that I’m self-aware enough to recognize if I suffer from culture shock. Lots of the ones who complain the most are either bitter (and will be bitter no matter where they are) or are in denial that they are in culture shock.
But, once again, these people only make up a tiny fraction of the expat community.
I was going to comment on the fact that he was an over-privileged white shithead driving a BMW.
Neither would I, but I’m not American.
But they do make a lot of noise.
Just curious. Why do you hate your country that much. And why do you have such interest in Korea (by the sounds of it, you don’t have any ties to the country). I’m just wondering.
you can say what you want but don’t tell me i relate to these guys. i had to ask you where to find all these anti-korea blogs.
If I had to live in another country I wouldn’t want to live in a city the size of Seoul. I’d much rather live in a smaller town. I don’t live anywhere near a large city now.
There’s an old Korean proverb…빈 수레가 요란하다…An empty cart rattles the loudest. In other words, don’t pay them any attention. They are morons.
Is education a big factor, or was it more economics (better job offer, etc.)? I got two friends criss crossing between Korea and America because “education sucks here, and I’d be better off financially over there”
i think bigmama may be black.
Well, foreign university professors don’t get the benefit of a sabbatical (that’s a year of paid vacation).
If you’re an American you could experience culture shock without even leaving the country. If you deliberately go to Korea, stay for years and do nothing but bitch about it, then all I have to say is ….shut the fuck up and get the hell out.
Sure, but there’s so much money being thrown at politicians by those who profit by maintaining the status quo…
Well, there are some great large cities to live in around the world. Seoul just isn’t one of them.
I didn’t notice that you complained about Korea that much, do you? I know that cxmc or whatever guy does. He’s a douche and often makes very little sense.
Oh well in what world doesn’t it help to be white?
Am I wrong but in the real world would these highly qualified teachers run up against a system that often doesn’t allow them to use what they’ve learned anyway?
‘California is on forefront of American decline.’
right on the money, sumo. this place used to be paradise but no more. america IS in decline. life here has just gotten harder and harder. in fact i was having lunch with a filipino friend the other day who actually said to me this:
‘i had a good life in the philippines as a banker but i left that because i thought i would have an even better life here. now i’m wiping ass for a living. i never knew how it would be to live here. i should have listened to my mother. she told me not to come. she said it wasn’t as good as people think. i thought she was lying to me but she was right.’
Both, and more. Unlike your friends, though, we’ll only be returning to visit.
Yes, it helps to be white, but I don’t like the fact that it’s at the expense of Korean parents who must pay third of their entire income, and their kids who have to attend all these useless classes to learn English but end up learning nothing. Parents waste their income, throw away their retirements, and kids also get hurt.
I wish Koreans would have rose up to the government to demand changes, the same way they did with Sewol tragedy.
But this can’t go on forever. Something has to give sooner or later.
I don’t think in the U.S people are subjected to the kind of screening you’re suggesting. Granted here there would likely be a face to face interview at some point or at least a phone interview.
Sorry I missed your post–Jeju is a collection of small scale outdoor delights amid the stuff that makes Korea-Korean. I am starting some permaculture projects and laying the groundwork for an aquaponics project. I am interested in an off-grid wind turbine but I have no electrical skills–sigh. Jeju is fantastic for motorcyclists–no such thing as speeding tickets for two wheeled vehicles down here. Jeju will take work–but if you have land and a boat and motorcycle (and a ATV like the Honda Pioneer 700-4) its very livable. Now I just need some tasty chickens, a pig or two and maybe some Nubian milking goats for some fresh cheese and ice cream.
This kind of screening would be necessary for foreign teachers who wants to work in Korea. I’d rather much have this type of test, than the useless criminal background checks and AIDS tests.
Some of these people aren’t bad writers other than content. You may be right the feeling of being trapped. Perhaps even the hiring isn’t a problem but low wages and stagnation can be a big problem. This makes sense. Just don’t sympathize with them too much because most of them do not limit the direction of their ire to just their careers.
It may be effective but I just don’t believe you can test for everything all the time. It would likely be more valuable than testing for STDs.
i’ll bet you’re fun to hang out with, sumo. pigs? isn’t jeju the home of the hook dwaeji? ice cream? i think koreans make better ice cream than ameircans! melona bar forever! btw, tried ‘true detective’ but couldn’t get past episode three. way too slow for my tastes. have a good day and i do hope you find ‘limequat hybrid cold tolerant trees’ in korea. ㅋ ㅋ ㅋ ㅋ
al qaeda comes to mind.
That and other reasons. We’ve saved enough money to withdraw ourselves from this rat race. Our quality of life will be better where we’re going. So, unlike your friends, we’ll only be returning to visit.
Isn’t the Korean education system driven more by a hyper competitive job market than it is government mandate? I was always under the impression that this was symptomatic of the way big companies do their hiring.
Yes, but the government and their polices are also part of the problem, not the solution.
Right. So you’re suggesting that government should step in and take measures to regulate the private education business? Or does it also need to make changes to the state run school program?
I agree the middle class in the U.S is in decline. It gets talked about a lot these days. They’re all preaching to the choir with me. I knew this shit was coming a couple of decades ago.
Limequats are not especially cold-hardy.
I’m suggesting both. Some of the private institutes have no business running schools. Also I don’t agree with things like university entrance exams for English, and this whole English language craze. Unfortunately university entrance exams are still needed because there are so many Koreans competing to get into the few best schools, and the entrance exams are the only way to make the admissions relatively fair for everyone. Yet I don’t like the fact that this one exam can determine the future earnings of the students. The governments should be doing something to lessen the excessive competition amongst students, and lessen the expectations of graduating students, by the corporations for name value schools. But all they’ve done is keep talking about what is wrong, but do nothing concrete to fix the problem.
I don’t necessarily think that people like that are morons. Just lazy and not very self aware. Problem is people like that are always so stubborn in their irrationality. If any of it is based on a single grain of truth they will stick with the entire narrative regardless of how flimsy the rest of it is….
Fixing problems with the Korean education system should be relatively easy really. Obviously the political will is not there.
Sure, but as far as I’m concerned people like that are morons. What else should we call adults who make less sense than most children?
I don’t hate my country. I’m so damned happy to be American you wouldn’t believe. I’m just burnt out on my own politics. It’s been so polarized for so long and I was very much involved for many years. I was an executive in my local union and a community activist for 20 years. I’m a bit obsessive about things. I have a tendency to concentrate my interests on one thing. Sometimes for long periods of time, like years. I was an obsessive anglophile for many years. I still keep up with what goes on in my country. I just need a break from caring so much about it. Does that make sense?
Well see, then I’d have to admit that I don’t know what I am. You know a lot of “those people” are better educated than me. That’s what always kind of puzzles me. Why is it that more education doesn’t always lead to more open and rational thinking? Oh well, it is what it is.
You didn’t like True Detective! What do you like?
the wealthy have destroyed the unions and regulatory agencies so that you and i can be part of the 99. this country’s decline started with reagan and i don’t see any change on the horizon because most americans are too distracted with ‘dancing with the stars’.
But suggesting a whole group of people are micro penis but hurts is just a normal healthy perspective LOL
No I’m not, but I’m from the south. It may be my occasional southern vernacular that you’re picking up on which often does make me sound black. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not the PC police. I wouldn’t dare. I’m to mean old and don’t give a shit not to let my ignorance show most of the time. I just don’t like people that don’t like people. What kind of asshole do you have to be not to like your own species? There are plenty of people that will tell you they don’t like people. Really? Get out of my face.
‘the wire’, ‘battlestar galactica’, ‘boardwalk empire’, ‘game of thrones’ ‘house of cards’. ‘true detective’ is slow with almost nothing happening. i suppose if you approached the show as one focusing on relationships, then you might like it but for me, it was as boring as watching paint dry. btw, i’m sensing a decline going on with ‘game of thrones’ because my attention is starting to wane. got any shows you’d like to recommend?
You appear to have never been in workplace full of women! 3/10 would be phenomenally low in my experience!!
Please watch True Detective to the end–the last episode had me in tears it was so good. The line “I look up into the sky and I see the darkness winning” and then the reply to that line was pure ecstatic narrative poetry. Its modern day Voltaire. Those town scenes of Louisiana are spot on–a poor version of the back towns of the Maryland Chesapeake area with the same blue crabs.
No… just the bloggers that get nasty and racist about Korea instead of being rational and civilized. Not all Korea bloggers, not all ESL teachers….you are late to the conversation….I’m saying the guys that can’t refrain from making disparaging names for Koreans like “klown” ….those kind of bloggers. It’s fine to point out bullshit when you see it. I don’t believe any society or country should get a pass on criticism. There’s just a mature non racist way to do it. These guys ain’t it.
the south? i love the south even with my asian face. many good times in that part of the country. and i love country cooking!
ESL teachers pay taxes and insurance. Public schools and most hagwons offer a small studio apartment with the job. Part of the reason is that most teachers don’t arrive here with the minimum $10,000 for a deposit. Not to mention that some landlords won’t even rent to foreigners.
ok, sumo. i have episode 4 on my hd. i’m gonna finish the series based on your recommendation. have a good day, sumo.
ok mike, but won’t you tell us the % on taxes and the premium for insurance? i believe you as an english teacher have something like 2 to 5% taken from you. that’s about a hundred dollars from 2k.
Yeah the food is good that’s why it’s so damned bad. I’m a pretty good cook. I learned from my grandma young and adapted my own style over the years. I’m actually from Virginia. Pork, peanuts, seafood, Virginia has a very old food history. It’s soft shell crab season right now. I want some too. I haven’t eaten soft shell for a couple of years. Don’t make me hungry.
It could simply be that there are more white men here than any other English-speaking women or blacks, in which case, it is simply a matter of discontent expressed by these few.
Perception is sometimes a small window that we look through.
Or somehow predisposed to watch Fox…
I think that is great you have an eye for that kind of detail. Different plant varietals can have some important differences when it comes to taste and fragrance.
You could have small seeds lining your pockets, assuming they are disease-free but other plants, like lemon verbena, needs shoots to propagate, and that is a big problem here.
I watch Game of Thrones, Vikings, Sons of Anarchy, Walking Dead. I started watching Penny Dreadful, new this month on Showtime. I watched Rectify on Sundance last year. That starts next month.
virginia? i loved all the diners where you could really get good but greasy american food. soft shell crab? you mean the soft shell crab you get from crab shacks right on the beach in places like norfolk? you know those, right? don’t you wish you were there right now? ㅋ ㅋ ㅋ ㅋ ㅋ
i hear that ‘rectify’ is pretty good and is on my list of shows to watch. my policy is to watch one tv show at a time. btw, us korean folk on this board wonder where your interest in korea started. if it’s too personal and all you don’t have to tell us but perhaps when you have time and are willing.
Well, personality disorder also plays role.
I’m not too far from the beach. I’m from central VA. Nothing is too far in VA really. So you know how pretty it is, the state Were you here long?
just so people know, he’s not a cheerleader for koreans. he has his complaints but his delivery is so much better. i like this video he did because it’s smart.
Going half way across the planet doesn’t seem to have done much for them either.
Will you be able to stop being interested in what goes on in Korea right away or will you have to ween yourself off of it? You said 20 years right? That’s a good little chunk of your life.
The way I understood what she wrote is: The bitter expat bloggers who whine and bitch are mostly the ESL teachers whose skill sets and level of knowledge are far outstripped by his sense of self-importance and entitlement. I think you took her comment as the other way around – something like “Most of the ESL teachers are the bitter expat bloggers who whine and bitch”.
Some people have baggage.
Movies. I’ve always been into movies. I watched a Chinese movie one day and it started me really watching Asian movies. I found something in Koreans that was familiar. Perhaps it’s the conservatism, the peasant food culture, the shit jokes, I don’t know. I became interested. Oh yeah, the Korean actors are good looking….lol
Nope. It will be a breeze. Actually, we’ve been planning this for over 10 years, but kept putting it off. Last summer, we visited some of our friends who left Korea years ago. It was an eyeopening experience…that and we dreaded stepping off the plane at Incheon (the following two weeks were pretty depressing), and that despite the fact we lead very privileged lives here in Korea.
Yes, I noticed that.
it’s interesting you say this. for the longest time, i’ve been wondering how to describe korea on a historical level. my best answer was korea was much like the american south. korea was ruled by an elite into decorum and manners. the elite ruled over a provincial people. that’s pretty much like the south here in the states. ‘provincial’ does not mean primitive, it means ‘real’, btw.
off and on. have family there. yes, very beautiful with good people. i like the whole atmosphere of the place though i think virginia beach is nicer than norfolk or portsmouth.
i wonder if you speak korean after 20 years there. i’ll bet you can’t.
right on the money, bigmamat. right on the money.
I hadn’t exactly though of it that way, but I see what you’re saying. Interesting. I also admire Koreans for being survivors. I’m not fond of Korean conservatism, or the hypocrisy that goes with it. Way too reflective of my own culture. That’s an aspect of our shared personality much of which I can do without.
I’d never suggest that this was anything other than completely unsubstantiated opinion. It’s just my theory with nothing to back it up. You are absolutely right.
I most certainly do speak Korean. It’s one of the three languages we speak everyday at home (between the three of us, we speak six languages).
Feeling a little inadequate? Good, you should.
Speaking of Itaewon…I saw an old movie on the TV a couple of years ago. It looked like it was shot in the ’80s. It was a total exploitation movie, a cautionary tale about the evils of foreigners. I was shocked they’d show such propaganda on TV in this day and age. The story was about a Korean young woman who hung out in Itaewon, going to the nightclubs, etc. To give you an idea of how bad it was, there was a scene where two guys (a white guy and a black guy) were trying to rape a Korean girl. It was like watching a scene from Reefer Madness. Any idea what the title of this movie might be? I can’t recall, but I think it was something like, “The Carless Woman” in Korean.
Korea hires some real teachers…They just don’t pay them all that well or offer them chances of career advancement, so few stick around unless they get a university job…and even then, amongst those, the ones who stay are those who really enjoy living here.
Why does it always have to be about race with you?
Yeah, that whole anti-intellectual spin to everything…It would drive me nuts if I were American. Part of the reason I’m comfortable moving back home is that there will be federal elections soon enough, and polls favour someone I can trust as the leader (instead of the arrogant conservative prick we’ve got now).
I like Jeju. It reminds me of my home. It’s always a relaxing trip for me.
i played a chinese pop song to a friend one time. the singer got to the catch line and my friend asked what she was saying. i told her the singer was saying ‘please treat me right’. she then said to me: ‘we all sing about the same things, don’t we?’ and i said: ‘we’re humans first and whatever ethnicity second.’
i’m gonna sign off for tonight, bigmamat. i hope you have a good one there in virginia.
Dude, no spoilers, please. I watched the first episode, thought, “Damnnnnn!” and then decided to put it on my list of shows to watch one episode after the other during my vacation (I like to do that with great shows so that I don’t miss anything (try doing that with The Sopranos, it’s amazing how many subtle details you’ll catch). Makes me appreciate the writing so much more).
Those TV dramas and movies whitewash reality, though (as does history class in school, for that matter). Life as a peasant was thankless, which is why they revolted against the monarchy a number of times.
Ironic coming from you.
” if you were to look at japan and it’s historical prostitution, you
would find the rationale would be this: it keeps the young men calm and
makes them less violent.”
Well, that depends. Remember the “comfort women” (I hate that euphemism. They were slaves)?
Doesn’t matter what colour he was.
PS. It reminds me of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_Polytechnique_massacre
Right, so you can go off on a rant against whichever ethnic group I belong?
Saw “Queen Bee,” eh? I hear that’s hard to find nowadays:
Robert, that is a great synopsis of the movie, and the comment thread featuring the inside scoop from one of the foreign actors is priceless. I arrived in 1990, and the Korea portrayed in this film and in the story told by the actor was still very much extant. Those were the days.
Thanks so much. I had to know the title because this one definitely goes in my top 10 “What the fuck!?” list…and I’ve seen a lot of exploitation movies and just plain bad ones. I actually went through a phase where I watched every Ed Wood movie when I was at university (they were actually quite entertaining, although Orgy of the Dead was pretty stupid (a horror movie that’s basically a long and tacky burlesque routine?)).
Yes, and the dirty tricks he describes are not unlike those that many hagwon owners pulled back then (I came here in the mid ’90s), which is quite funny when you think about it.
VA beach is the resort town. I spent a lot time growing up in the summer on Chesapeake Bay. A lot of people go to Nags Head in NC as well. I have no desire to get to far from the ocean shore. I like being able to drive to beach.
Why? I thought he was bang on describing Korea.
I would be the first to grow them in Jeju I believe–if possible.
Of course, I’m not saying teaching English is a bad thing to do. Just do it one year, maximum two years, enjoy your experience in Korea, then get out of the industry. Don’t become a lifer, a bitter age 40+, burnt out expat, trapped in Korea.
Interesting observation–its probably why I like the South a whole lot better than NYC and Cali culture.
Good luck with your trip back home–may you have a productive life.
Thanks. I can’t wait to get up in the morning and sit on the porch to enjoy a good cup of coffee and the fresh ocean breeze. Only two months left to go.
Red ranger chickens, or a similar breed, are called 토종 닭 (tojong tak) in Korean. I’ve eaten it many times at small restaurants in the countryside. It should be easy to find some chicks.
There seem to be some similarities in culture and even slightly in experiences that I find very interesting and attractive. I assume that one day I’ll tire of watching SK so closely and move on to the next interesting thing.
TYVM!! You saved me a lot of time.
Korea’s population as of August 2013 is over 51 million people with Korean national registration cards, 25.56 million males, and 25.51 females, according to statistics.
But it was only in August of 2012, that Korea surpassed the 50 million mark. How did Korea add over a million people in less than one year, when its birth rate is the lowest in the world? Even with the marriage immigrants taking up citizenships, I cannot fathom where all the extra people came from. Have there been that many immigrants? So much for worries over population decline, there’s actually a population explosion, if you believe the stats.
I watched the new X-men movie and it was great. Men of special abilities. But you can have special abilities in this life and beyond, http://www.intouch.org/broadcast/this-week-on-tv and it is not a secret. It is an open invitation that has persisted last TWO THOUSAND years. Just take a moment and consider it seriously. Your eternal destiny rests upon it.
Taxes are low because Korea has a progressive tax rate and most English teachers seldom gross above 2.2 mil per month. It is the same rate that Koreans pay.
Health insurance premiums are the same, too. There is no special exception for foreigners.
There is one tax exception for public school NETs from certain countries (including the US) due to a non-double-taxation treaty. This means these individuals can skip income tax for their first two years. Likewise, Korean citizens working in the public sector in the US do not need to pay US taxes for two years. It works both ways.
As you see, ESL teachers do not receive special tax or insurance treatment.
You talk of racism, yet you used the term “cracker” in your previous comment.
i don’t take those historical pieces too seriously. i remember a german man once wrote somewhere he loved sa-guk but took them with a grain of salt. he said all the upper class always had perfectly ironed clothes and the peasants were very clean for the the time they were living in. of course, koreans just do what most do when these kinds of things are produced. lastly, life was thankless for the vast majority of people the world over for most of human history. i’m not sure things have changed all that much.
One thing that I wish Koreans could be similar to America but is not, is the pride in its institutions. The way the Americans respect, support and honour the men and women that serve in the military, the police, the firemen, the emergency response teams, the coast guards, etc. Korea has none of that. The Koreans who serve in those institutions are of the lower education and qualifications who have no public backings nor receive much respect. They are there as similar to factory workers, who get not much respect than manual workers. Because it’s expected that the cream of the crop smartest people are expected to become doctors, lawyers, and bond managers. Only the not too bright ones are expected go join the military, the police, and the coast guards. And this lack of respect greatly influences how the public views these institutions.
Yeah I did. I think I called them micro penis, baby bitch boys, that kind of thing as well. Why? You have some misguided idea that I should keep a civil tongue with someone I already know won’t do the same with me? I didn’t feel like being civil and reasonable. It usually doesn’t work anyway. Perhaps you need a dose of my buddy Lew…
Or got ridiculed for their weeny when they exposed themselves to the women of the night.
The U.S. hasn’t always supported nor been trustful of the military or the police. This is just a phase. There is quite a bit of disdain for the police in minority communities and with good reason. We’re still marching to the drum beat of ten years ago when it comes to the military’s popularity. Clearly the public is not willing to blame anything on the average fighting man this time, only on civilian control and military leadership. Which shows a level of maturity in at least this aspect of our political discourse. That is something to be thankful about.
I’ve been saying for a couple of months that Koreans need to clam down and start a national discussion about public safety and the role government should take. They also need to keep in mind that this is a class issue as well. It’s not going to be an easy discussion since business is so entrenched in government. This will die down eventually until the next something comes along. There’s no political will to fix things and politics was already too polarized.
I’ve been to Korea plenty of times and I know where my place is when I go there. I certainly defer to the locals since I didn’t grow up there.
Dude, it never was.
Wow! 280 comments! You all have to thank me. Yes, it was moi who suggested “Open Thread” to Robert about ten years ago. He was reluctant at first: he want to keep categories. I told him moi want to post anything and everything moi want to say. Moi did not want to be bound by a subject. Moi wanted Freedom! Oui, liberté. Only my voice can be heard by 돼지, KJU.
quite a few english teachers have written about the easy money to be made. one guy wrote he was able to save at least a thousand to twelve hundred per month. why won’t you acknowledge this? there must be some good, no? do you know how many americans would kill to save a k per month? c’mon, mike, please stop hedging. not trying to attack but just saying.
Late to the discussion LOL, you’re recycling years old tired discussions of newbies and I am the one who’s late. LOL
That’s a good idea. I find that even in a strange place if you smile, be friendly and humble you don’t have a lot of problems.
The discussion was a about a rant post that got deleted so yes you did get in late….LOL
Sure. There’s also the fact that syphilis was widespread in Korea back then, as it was in many parts of the world (many of Napoleon’s soldiers died of syphilis, for example), something which is never discussed in these TV shows and movies (as far as I know). The peasants would not only have been dressed in rags, many would have also been sickly.
No, he just wants a photo to keep close to his heart. You know how it is.
most koreans will tell you that 지 못하다/못 means ‘can’t’ and they leave it at that. they never explain what the difference between 지 못하다/못 and ㄹ수없다 is. is there a difference between the two? yes. if you don’t understand the difference, will you still understand? yes. what would you lose then? you would lose nuance. with that in mind, let me briefly explain 지 못하다/못:
‘지 못하다/못’ is used when you can do something but you can’t do it well. we have the same construct in english but we just use one word for that. examples:
1. he’s on the swin team but he can’t swim.
2. madonna? she can’t sing.
3. he won 5 oscars but he can’t act.
see what i mean? very simple.
next way 지 못하다/못 is used is to talk about something you normally can do but can’t do now for whatever reason.
1. that guy talking to us like that, i can’t eat.
2. my bills are mounting, i can’t sleep
3. my ma didn’t give me money so i can’t go with you today.
see how simple? ㄹ수없다 implies permanence and/or a prolonged state of being. i hope this has helped somebody out there. have a good day.
i think everybody on this board should show their picture. dlbarch has. why not the rest of you?
are you related to gollum?
Wow…another disaster — fire at a bus terminal with at least 5 reported dead. Even with korea’s low level of safety standards the close timing is just too weird and I’m wondering if Nork agents have something to do with this fire. It would be a perfect way to further milk the situation from their perspective.
That’s a good explanation but I think you can also add the implication of ‘being out of one’s control’ or ‘can’t be helped’ to the list of differences in meaning. Not sure if it’s a nuance difference. Sometimes they seem like perfect substitutes and other times they seem to be used for different meanings altogether.
Absolutely, it is easy to save money when teaching in Korea. But this is largely due to the simplicity of living here as a young English teacher. A small studio apt, no real furniture, basic clothes, no car, often no TV or internet… It’s easy to see why people easily save money. If you eat basic Korean food and seldom go out, you can save even more money. Plus, Korea has cheap public transportation and the national insurance plan is inexpensive.
Mind you, many young Koreans work full-time jobs while living with their parents and having their mom cook for them. I know 30 year old government employees who save their entire salary because their parents still support them. They expect their sons to be able to buy an apartment outright by the time they’re 35. The young women I know who work full-time mostly spend their money on clothes and handbags…. go figure.
if you have time, jw, would you please give a few korean examples of what you wrote so that i may study them? if you have time, my friend. i hope you have a good day.
Perhaps he has a fetish for that?
I would put it bit differently, pawi.
“못하다” is active negative, as in ” can’t”. “못” is a modifier meaing “cannot” in this context to “하다” meaning “to do”.
Whereas, “(할)수없다” is passive negative as in “it’s impossible that …” or “there is no way that …”. The latter is more closer/literal meaning of “수없다”.
I would add that, you are right, “못하다” can mean “can’t do well”, a truncated form of “잘 못하다”.
Well, he’s clearly typing with one hand since he never hits the ‘Shift’ key.
He’s got a thing for chocolate thunder.
He sounds like a retard. Sooooo boring.
But you were Baduk then you became Koreadumbdumb and now you are ROLYPOLY!
I would die laughing if a teacher nabbed the Sewol owner in China and got 500K US dollars.
That kid wasn’t white. He was as white as my oldest daughter, who’s not white. (The little one is kind of white, but then she spent all day yesterday at the EXO concert.) Anyway, it surely doesn’t matter to anyone but a race baiter what race Elliot Rodger spawned from.
전화를 못했다/전화를 할수없었다 – couldn’t or forgot to call/ wasn’t possible to call -different meaning
수영을 못한다/수영을 할수없다 – can’t swim (well) / unable to swim (due to circumstance) – different meaning
그렇게는 못한다/ 그렇게는 할 수 없다 – can’t (or won’t allow myself to) do that – near perfect substitute
Just another safety violation or lack of safety awareness, as sparks from welding (the terminal was under construction), sparked a fire, killing at least 6 workers. This kind of stuff happens all the time, but it looks five times as worse than normal, because of the timing of it all.
come on dude .be cool.
The church has put up their own 500K reward as a counter, for anyone who reveals the truth about the Sewol and who caused it. The members are also convinced this is a religious persecution, and are protesting to demand freedom of religion. According to some Korean papers, they’ve also somehow managed to muster more than 100,000 signatures for the White House petition, condemning the South Korean government for suppression of religion, and demanding freedom of religion. The papers say that means the White House and Obama must respond to the petition. So what do you think, will the US government get involved to criticize the alleged lack of religious freedom? I think this charge is completely ridiculous, but other ridiculous mass public Korean protests abroad have gained tractions in the past also, so I wouldn’t bet against the church’s attempt to divert the charges away from Yoo, and onto the Korean government. Yesterday, the police arrested 4 church members for evading and abetting Yoo to escape the police, further giving the church more ammo to use against.
According to another paper, Yoo will be arrested by the police, just before the election day, to make the ruling government look good. It says the police know where Yoo is hiding out, but won’t move until right before the election day. Of course, there are no proof of any kind, but in Korea that really doesn’t matter, what you believe is what it really is.
One thing that an interesting thing said over the weekend by a face and voice analysis expert who analyzed Park Geun Hye’s controversial speech to the nation where she showed big tears as she spoke. He said they weren’t fake tears, they were real, he said. That’s not a good news to all those who were using Park’s “alligator tears” as proof that she’s a fake.
Rolypoly? Funny username.
Race means everything in this country. It has a direct effect on where you go to school, getting a job and what kind of justice you will receive in our court system. Anyone that still chooses to deny that fact isn’t paying attention. It just so happens this loser went on a shooting spree because he can’t get laid. Out of all the delusional excuses ever conjured up by a sick and twisted mind this one is the most pathetic yet. Frankly at the time I didn’t know his ethnicity and still don’t. Shooting at people from the window of your BMW usually means drug dealer or rich guy.
The problem with criminal background checks is that in certain countries those are not going to be very effective countries where law enforcement and corruption is a big problem they may not do a good job recording keeping so if somebody came from such country immigration may not be able to pull up properly criminal records.
I certainly do. My crude attempts at learning any kind of second language are hilarious. Of course I don’t live with someone who speaks Spanish or Korean nor do I come into contact everyday with someone who is willing to put up with me practicing on them all the time. I gave up learning Korean when I put off my trip for another year. I’ve just been lazy about the Spanish.
Clean…that’s so funny you noticed. If you watch a historical on Korean television the first thing I noticed is how clean all the slaves are….Koreans on TV are really clean….If they aren’t just their faces are smudged with a little dirt…otherwise…you have to suspend your disbelief if you’re going to watch Korean TV.
I don’t see how anyone could talk about this tragedy and not produce real tears. However, instead of worrying about her tears being fake they should be concentrating on whether or not what she had to say will make a difference.
thanks guys for the info!
he was half white which makes him white.
I knew I pegged this little shithead right before I even knew the details. Don’t ever accuse me of race baiting again. I didn’t just shoot 6 people because my over privileged upbringing lead to me to believe that I should be getting all the hot snatch…..
Don’t look now, but Google is commemorating Rachel Carson’s 107th birthday: https://www.google.co.kr/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=rNCDU7G2DYrN8geJ3IHwBQ
Yes, let’s commemorate someone who by getting DDT banned is responsible for the deaths of millions of Africans by malaria.
The song was big three years ago.
Correction. Rolypoly and then KDD. A cat has nine lives.
Let’s see – you’d also complain that by using alternative energy the coal industry takes a hit? DDT is most effective on mosquitoes, but it’s not the only solution to malaria.
Yes, if alternative energy use condemned millions to death every year from easily preventable causes.
1. Rachel Carson was only “responsible” for getting DDT banned in the U.S. And even then, US government has allowed the DDT use for public health reasons – I know California used it once to kill fleas, but I don’t remember the exact details right now. I don’t think US banning DDT in its own territories affected the deaths of millions of Africans by malaria.
2. Elsewhere in the world, DDT has never been banned for vector control use. I know Sri Lanka once banned it (or stopped using it, I’m not too clear on that), but that was because of the cost issue, not environmental reasons.
3. Thanks to the agricultural use of DDT, which is what is banned worldwide, mosquitos have now developed resistance. Today, DDT is used to establish a “shield” against the mosquitoes in residential housings – yes, WHO still advocates the use of DDT until a safer, better alternative is established.
4. Subsaharan Africa never used DDT because a mosquito’s life cycle was drastically different there than, say, in the US, and because they didn’t have the infrastructure/organization to handle DDT distribution. They don’t bother with it now because of #3.
Carson and modern environmentalism aren’t responsible for malaria death in Africa at all.
I see a T Ara fan. Could have picked loveydovey instead. Both are very catchy but not a fan of theirs. Prefer Abba, Queen, Cindy lauper, Madonna, and so forth.
Even I got my eye out for him just in case he is in Jeju–I myself would not mind 500K. I could get a very large ocean capable luxury Catalina with that kind of money and I could pay someone to install some wind turbines for me instead trying to do it myself.
Don’t forget anti-asteroid space missiles just in case a big one tries to hit us in the next 200 years and also deep underground eco bunkers if a giant solar flare should shoot straight at Earth.
Not so, SMS – once again, you completely miss the point I used as an example. Alternative energy provides benefits to us now and the generations down the road. I don’t see how that’s abstract, but please explain yourself. Believe me, I have no compulsion about killing skeeters, I’m just glad they’re not so pestiferous here in the southern interior of BC as they are in Korea.
Noooooooooooooooooo, not still another format change. Robert, I can’t handle the truth.
just change it with gratuitous shots of women in bikinis and complaints like this will go away. lol
racism towards asians in america? nawwww! look at this article from cnn looking at the isla victims. besides their names being mentioned, guess who got left out the story? guess who didn’t get their pictures published along side the white victims? guess who’s families weren’t spoken too? yeah, i’m sure it’s a misunderstanding.
Moms pay $1000 to professional packers to pack their kids’ summer camping gears. American Gangnam mothers in New York?
J. Gordon Edwards, member of the Audubon
Society, Sierra Club, and California Academy of Science explained that
“it dawned on me that Rachel Carson was not interested in the truth
about pesticides, and that I was being duped along with millions of
other Americans.” Just one year after the publication of “Silent
Spring,” the National Academy of Sciences stated that DDT, by
exterminating pestilential insects, saved 500 million lives within two
decades of use. Furthermore, the supposed health risks of DDT were shown
to be greatly exaggerated: health workers had breathed in large amounts
of DDT on a daily basis without any negative effects, and had even used
DDT to thwart typhus outbreaks during WWI. Thanks to Carson’s efforts
to ban DDT, however, malaria reemerged around the world, resulting in
tens of millions of preventable deaths – mostly the young and old in
poor, tropical countries. Today, malaria is more widespread than ever.
Dr. Wenceslaus Kilama, Chaiman of the Malaria Foundation compared the
blood on Carson’s hands to loading up seven 747s every day and crashing
them. For her part, Carson was overjoyed with increased fertility of
birds stemming from the ban of DDT.
1. Worldwide, DDT has been used for vector-control. The “Ban” is agricultural (as in, to kill crop-eating insects for farming purposes), and both of them are being misleading by not distinguishing the difference between the agricultural (again, as general pesticides) and vector-control (to kill Malaria-spreading mosquitoes). DDT isn’t just “banned” 100%. It’s closely regulated because studies on DDT has been made AFTER Slient Spring. Specifically in the US, DDT was banned because it threatened the bald eagle and other predator birds in the country. And last I checked, there wasn’t a massacre of American children at the hands of Carson-aided Malaria.
You have a well-established reputation for a serious case of reading comprehension problem, so I’m going to lay it out right here: DDT was NEVER, EVER banned as a means to fight against malaria. EVER.
2. Sub-saharan Africa, where the disease is raging and killing many people, never deployed DDT because 1. the effectiveness is reduced as a vector-control because of the mosquito’s continuous life cycle in the region and 2. the nations in questions never had the infrastructure or governmental organizational structure to handle any distribution. This factor has nothing to do with Rachel Carson, who actually argued AGAINST a universal ban of DDT in a senate hearing.
My god, you haven’t read Silent Spring, have you? Of course you haven’t. Here’s the money quote from the original work that you didn’t bother to read and yet still willing to quote a physician working for a goddamn think tank to accuse Carson of murdering African children.
“It is not my contention that chemical insecticides must never be used. I do contend that we have put poisonous and biologically potent
chemicals indiscriminately into the hands of persons largely or wholly
ignorant of their potentials for harm.”
3. In fact, it is the wanton use of DDT as agricultural pesticides by the countries ignoring the worldwide DDT ban (FOR AGRICULTURAL REASONS) that has caused the mosquito’s increased resistance to DDT. Now, DDT just irritates but does not kill mosquitoes, which is why the WHO is supporting a method where DDT is applied as a perimeter defense so that the mosquitoes won’t make it into residential housing. This, of course, creates problems in countries like India, where some of the population are prone culturally to sleep outdoors or work outside at night – making the perimeter defense plan a boost to malaria infection.
Literally, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
I wish there was an English phrase that sums up something like this as succinctly and beautifully as this phrase: 돈지랄.
TMH is starting to look more and more like a Medium blog.
i don’t know what kind of family you come from, but you’re too old to be writing this kind of pablum.
If you want to carry water for Samsux, then by all means feel free to do so. But what modicum of credibility you had left in my book has now been completely forfeited.
Please address your attention elsewhere. You are, and have now shown yourself to be, to complete clown.
I’m in favor of getting these obscenely rich people to spend their money in any way possible, so this is obviously not a problem for me. More the merrier. The real problem with these types of folks, as Piketty has shown, is not that they spend wildly, but that they save too much and tend to pass on too much of their wealth to their kids!
Hey Robert — the comments module doesn’t work for me on my android mobile (it just disappears after a couple seconds). Your prompt attention would be greatly appreciated.
Still doing it? Which browser app do you use?
It was looking funny on Chrome (iPhone) for me, too. Then I cleared my cache and it was fine. Try it and see if that solves the issue.
No luck. It’s an LG. Perhaps that’s why. (But it was “free”! )
Just in case your feelings about the state of Korean politics wasn’t pessimistic enough — I present to you the following, courtesy of 썰전: FORTY percent of all candidates running in the local elections have a prior criminal record.
강변 왈: 법번경으로 인해 잡범들이 와장창 늘어났다. ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
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