• Aja Aja

    Apple wins $119 million against Samsung in patent trial.

    http://www.fosspatents.com/2014/05/apple-wins-119-million-in-patent.html

  • Sumo294

    The lawyer’s fee plus lobbyist fees and increased prices in chips is likely around 900 million–no one is winning this game. Plus Google has openly entered an alliance with Samsung–which would explain how the fees went all the way down to just 119 million–Samsung should give gifts to Google’s incredible lobbying machine they have in DC.

  • redwhitedude

    Apple vs Samsux is going to drag on like the “100 years” war did between England and France. Its the “100 years” war of patent wars.

  • sloppycho

    What kind of person tags a dead whale’s body?

    Frat Boys from Jersey that’s who. Classy as ever NJ. Classy as fuck!

  • dlbarch

    Neither Apple nor Samsux will be around in 100 years.

    DLB

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    We don’t lobby our courts in the US.

  • Aja Aja

    I think he meant the jurors who will see this as Apple vs Google (two American companies), instead of seeing it as Apple vs foreign brand. It looks like Samsung’s tactics may have worked to a large degree.

  • cmxc

    It’s clear that most posters on this blog, (and perhaps even Mr Koehler) have very little concern for Korea’s future economic development and further growth. It reminds me of my high school days when morons all around me would say ‘Murica, love it or leave it’

    There is nothing even remotely controversial about the assertion that Korea desperately needs foreigners, especially highly skilled foreigners, to continue its growth trajectory.

    Even the previous head of the Bank of Korea encouraged Korea to adopt more open immigration policies to “regain societal vitality”
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1890fbfe-5e1f-11e2-8780-00144feab49a.html#axzz30cbx1sep

    Korean policy makers know that they desperately need additional foreign participation to strengthen the Korean economy. They want more foreign direct investment, and more foreign corporations to invest in Korea. They know they need more long term skilled foreigners who will improve the competitiveness of Korea’s service industries and bring fresh ideas for new business models currently overlooked or unimagined by Koreans.

    Koreans need to do more cross border M&A, but the reason they won’t is because Korean managers continually FAIL at managing international teams. Even the mighty Samsung failed at cross border M&A years ago and it explains why they are so reluctant to grow by acquisition. When Korean corporations buy overseas corporations, the senior management team usually bolts for other opportunities because they know Korean management is so poor.

    Korea’s history of economic growth was enabled because it was one of the cheapest options available with reasonable quality. Korea is now facing competition from China, Indonesia, Vietnam, India, etc. Korea’s labor costs are NOT competitive. The labor laws and labor unions in Korea are killing its future.

    Korea must move up the value chain and can no longer compete purely on the basis of being the lowest cost provider.

    Thanks to Korea’s long history of protectionism, too many industries and corporations in Korea are not globally competitive. Korean management is woefully underdeveloped compared to most global MNCs.

    Plus, everyone should realize that Korea is a ticking demographic time bomb. The country has one of the lowest birth rates in the WORLD. The rate at which Korea’s population is graying is mind-boggling. Korea is in no way prepared for the massive numbers of elderly who will be a severe strain on Korea limited public support structure.

    The Korean National Health Insurance system will likely go bankrupt. The Korean National Pension system cannot possibly hope to meed its obligations to Korean government employees and the entire Korean population living longer and longer.

    See Japan’s stagnation because they too refuse to embrace more open immigration policies.

    Only the truly and blatantly uninformed could even joke that Korea does not desperately need foreigners, both industrial workers as well as highly skilled workers to have a chance of escaping its pending demographic doom.

  • pawikirogii

    i’m not young anymore and as such, very little surprises me anymore. this being the internet, you guys know that sometimes you stumble on a page you did not intend to visit. that happened to me today and my heart was just broken. it’s a very simple site; it’s just page after page of pictures with ordinary people in them…except all of them committed suicide. for those who might contemplate such a final act, please keep in mind that suicide is a crime against the living. click on any photo and see the sorrow of those they left behind.

    http://facesofsuicide.com/

  • Cham

    Korea needs high and low skilled foreigners. Whether it specifically needs you? Questionable, at best.

    Whether or not they lose you is irrelevant to Korea’s long-term success or failure. While you are one out of many who will play a vital part in Korea’s future, do not lose sight that you are exactly that: one out of many.

    Easily replaceable and, while valuable, not a tremendous loss for anyone.

  • The American

    Rise of the Korea Hate Blogs

    The English-language Korean blogosphere seems to have undergone a mutation in the past few years with the rise of literally dozens of personal blogs devoted to hating on Korea and Koreans. Here, for example, is one expat’s “culturally sensitive” take on the recent Sewol tragedy:

    http://klownisms.wordpress.com/2014/04/25/the-old-klown-and-the-sea/

    His attitude towards Korea can be summed up in one sentence: “Korea is a fucking pig farm with nice lighting.”

    The Korea hate blogs seem to be mostly written by Caucasian males from Western countries, but it’s by no means a “whites only” club:

    http://blackboyinkimchiland.blogspot.kr/2009/10/retarded-korean-ninja.html

    You really do have to wonder why someone would choose to work and live in a country surrounded by people whom he simply does not wish to speak to or interact with:

    “A lot of people ask me how long have I been in and Korea to which I reply off and on since 2007. They then say so you speak pretty good Korean right? I smile and assure them that my Korean is worse today than when I arrived for various reasons not the least of which is personal motivation. I am simply uninterested in what Korean people have to say to me.”

    Meanwhile, “American in Korea” observes in the following recent post:

    “Finding happiness in Korea is like raping a hooker in a port o potty. Technically you’re getting laid but you’re still encased in a shitty, poorly insulated plastic box, bathing in the smell of digested food, and what awful lengths you had to go through to get there.”

    Source: http://sett.com/americaninkorea/finding-happiness-in-korea

    The Grand Poobah of these loquacious malcontents is arguably “Jake” of Expat Hell, who seems to have inspired an entire blogging subgenre:

    http://www.expathell.com

    Characteristics of this subgenre seem to include a tendency towards “faction” or embellishment of one’s misadventures on the Peninsula, which only seems natural given how boring most of their offline lives seem to be here; a culture of one-upmanship and ever more offensive pronouncements on Koreans and Korean culture, in an attempt to impress others in this little “club” or “community” of theirs; affectation of an extremely jaded, cynical and world-weary attitude towards life in general, and locals in particular, probably because they think it’s “cool” and allows them “look down” on everyone else around them.

    In my view, however, most of these bloggers lack the intelligence and wit to be funny and insightful without the crutch of mocking Koreans and Korean culture, which quickly grows repetitive and monotonous; one suspects that hating on Koreans is simply a means by which they can assuage their own self-esteem issues and feelings of inadequacy about the life situation in which they presently find themselves. After all, they remain imprisoned in an oppressive paradox: How is it that such superior beings could have placed themselves at the mercy and whim of such inferior “subhumans”? A mind-boggling conundrum, indeed!

    One wonders how their Korean wives, lovers, students and employers would feel if they knew how these enlightened “cultural ambassadors” really felt about them. Probably not very good at all. In any case, I feel sorry most of all for Baek In-je, who despite his best efforts remains a minor figure within this bedraggled blogging subgenre. I mean, you lot are practically a circle-jerk of mutual admiration and support: If you can’t succeed even among such “hail fellows” and “fine friends,” one doubts you have the means or ability to succeed at anything at all.

    Well, don’t worry, Mr. White. You can still hate on Korea and Koreans. You’ll always have that no matter what, won’t you?

  • cmxc

    You are attacking the symptoms while completely neglecting the underlying cause.

    So many Koreans have told me “where there is smoke, there is fire.” Why would an entire sub-genre of Korea-critical blogging arise unless there were ongoing circumstances warranting such blogs?

    Do 300 dead kids not register to you? Do you not see why the Korean status quo generates such criticism?

    It is my understanding that Koreans are their own strongest critics, and that whatever writings have surfaced on such expat blogs, venting steam, pale in comparison to the opinions of many Koreans of their own nation and culture.

    Again I ask, who is the greater friend of Korea? Its critics criticizing with hopes for spurring change or its apologists, who blindly defend a status quo with pervasive corruption, fraud, embezzlement, breach of trust, cronyism, exploitation of women as sex workers, etc etc?

  • pawikirogii

    yes, where there is smoke, there is fire.

    ‘You see children I am only interested in two types of conversation.
    Conversation A leads to sex either directly or indirectly. In Korea most girls speak some level of English so if she isn’t willing to speak to you in English she probably isn’t interested in you. Besides, I have
    found it infinitely easier to have sex with fellow foreign teachers than
    trying to get the kitty off of a Korean chick. Therefore, I have no
    sexual motivation to learn the language. Conversation type B leads to
    money in one shape or form and Korean really isn’t a money language. I would do better learning Chinese or Japanese for monetary purposes.’ blackboy (convicted felon?)

  • The American

    You’re right: “Korea is a fucking pig farm with nice lighting” is worthy of Walter Benjamin or Fredric Jameson. My bad!

  • dans
  • djson1

    You know, the dislike or hate by many expats (or English teachers) has always existed in high numbers. I think the rise in blogs is just the fact that more people have found it easier to start their own blogs (I think). I would hesitate to think that the rise in these types of blogs is a reflection of the rise of dissatisfaction of living in Korea or discontent towards Koreans (or is it??). Just my thought…but until I see some kind of survey or poll, I am not convinced. When I lived in Korea in the ’90s, it was so much more inconvenient for foreigners than it is now. I’d bet inconveniences like food/bacteria poisoning was much higher than it is now (which was one of my negative factors of living in Korea). And I would think tolerance for foreigners is better now than 20 years ago.

  • bumfromkorea

    I do find it pretty hilarious that the person who is now basically this blog’s codeword for the “underlying cause” of the “symptoms” of Hate Blogs is the one trying to point you to the “underlying cause”:

    I stay for the same reason that many concerned expats stay, despite the less than fully welcoming context for our lives in Korea, because we know that Korea desperately needs us. Without us, Korea would be even worse.

  • bumfromkorea

    Have you returned frequently and/or recently? It could be that the owners of these hate blogs simply lack perspectives that usually come with staying in Korea long-term/returning to Korea after a while.

  • Sumo294

    HaHaHaHaHa . . . wow man!!!!!! You have no idea how it works!!! Its more subtle but its there. You can’t get on a federal bench until you earned your stripes in the state courts and you don’t get through that circus unless you are affiliated and you don’t get affiliated unless you do favors. Some of the judges are still old school and law firms hire lawyers specifically because the partner knew that judge in law school and they hang out together at the same alumni parties, but that breed is dying out. These days it is straight out favors to a friend who takes care of the lawyers and then a favor right back at you.

  • djson1

    Yeah, I average about a trip a year…sometimes more, sometimes none. I lived in Korea briefly in 2005 as well and it was much better than when I was there in the mid ’90s (ie- I had less food poisoning incidents!). But you’re right, it could just be that they don’t have anything to compare it to. Or it’s just that people like to complain more now on the internet. Wherever you stay, you can be unhappy about something. Even when I lived in Tokyo, I had a lot to complain about this and that. But now that I live in the U.S., I do miss living in Tokyo for many reasons.

  • Sumo294

    No Pawi–suicide is an act of free will. Some acts of suicide such as a solider throwing himself on a grenade is heroic and in the case of Sewol the crew who went back knew they were likely to die. In the cases of terminal illness–many opt for hospice care–an act many in the medical profession view as tantamount to suicide. Some of those who kill themselves who are not terminally ill are still very much in pain–and while many of us see only the ravages of the effects–we should, nevertheless, still strive to understand that the actions were symptomatic of pain that was intrinsic to the person and unknowable to either you or I. As humans we grieve for the living who are affected by a family member who commits suicide–the dead are quickly forgotten.

  • The American

    I disagree for several reasons:

    1. The Internet has made it far too easy for any yahoo from the West to come to Korea and earn a few King Sejongs. Back in the 1980s or ’90s here, most expats were hardier, more adventurous and more committed to their Korean experience and Korean culture. It was hard to get here on one’s own gumption, and as a result there were far fewer flakes who care nothing about Korea itself than there are today.

    2. The Korea hate blog community, if you can call it that, is largely comprised of individuals who exist in a kind of limbo outside of Korean society; as a consequence, they gravitate to one another’s blogs for solace, entertainment and support, and this creates a mutually reinforcing “amplification effect” that in turn attracts and inspires others who might otherwise be out and about exploring Korea and getting to know real Koreans as actual people — instead of as cartoonish “subhumans” who are only worthy of contempt.

    3. There have been numerous scientific studies showing that spending too much time online can contribute to a greater sense of personal unhappiness. If you are spending large amounts of time reading hate-filled blogs, that is bound to affect you psychologically and psychically. Back in the 1980s and ’90s, that kind of thing just didn’t happen: Korea may have been less “convenient” then, but a great part of the fun and adventure was figuring out things for yourself here, and that in turn resulted in more personally enriching experiences and overall self-satisfaction. I doubt many such individuals would have been writing Korea hate blogs if suddenly and magically given the means to do so at the time.

    Just my two won, of course.

  • j.kimchi

    Expat hell is the worst one ever.

  • dans

    It’s well written though and it hits the nail on the head more than it misses.

  • http://kuiwon.wordpress.com/ Kuiwon

    “especially highly skilled foreigners”

    So… why are you in Korea still?

  • Aja Aja

    I’m sorry but, making horrible joke comments about those poor victims on the ferry, sexualizing the dead schoolgirls on that boat, and generally being a dick ass, isn’t “criticizing”. It’s creepy, hateful, and offensive. In most countries, including the United States, those sites would be considered hate sites, and it speaks volumes about your character that defends them.

  • Jieun K

    I’m gonna clear the air in this installment of our beloved Open Threads, and present edutainment you might enjoy:

    Noir Meets Science in the case of the missing fractals.

  • bigmamat

    Aren’t you being nice…I stand by my assessment. Nasty hateful expat bloggers are 99% white guys that couldn’t get a job or get laid in their own country. They wouldn’t be happy no matter where they landed. There used to be one woman blogger that posted nothing but bad experiences in Korea but even she was more dissatisfied and obviously homesick. She went back home, good for her. The good news is that there are now way more expat blogs that are thoughtful and sensitive when relating their experiences in Korea. You are right about one thing. It’s a difference in perspective. The bloggers that are focused on the positive aspects of Korea, exploring it’s food and culture are always more friendly. It’s the losers that arrive to get drunk and get laid that are always the most miserable.

  • que337

    ‘김씨 표류기'(Castaway on the Moon) would be a must-watch movie for those who are sufferring from recurrent thoughts of suicides.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0VJgc9wPD6k

  • http://www.rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    I’m not sure there’s been a “rise,” so to speak. I’ve seen a lot of hate blogs come and go over the years. Few last long.

    I’m also not sure I’d include Expat Hell in that group. Jake won’t be winning any cultural sensitivity awards any time soon, but the man does know how to write, and I get the feeling he’d be channeling Hunter S. Thompson wherever he was.

  • redwhitedude

    Maybe or maybe not.

  • http://www.rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    I’ve seen worse. Much, much worse.

  • bumfromkorea

    A person’s writing ability has no correlation with whether the product of that ability is hateful or not.

    http://www.expathell.com/?p=6499

    Second blog post in. Come on, now. Not to mention the type of comment environment that his writing seems to engender.

  • Bob Bobbs

    Does ‘Korea’ have great concern for the future economic development and growth of YOUR country?

  • Bob Bobbs

    When you bring tens of thousands of people into your country to work without giving them an avenue to full citizenship and equal rights, you ensure the creation of a permanently resentful under-class. Stop being surprised that this is how these untermenschen express themselves; start trying to change the local mindset that created them.

  • pawikirogii

    it’s well written by cretins and attracts vermin. i’ve heard david duke had a flair for writing. it’s a hate site run by trailer trash. a spade is a spade.

  • Sumo294

    I am actually with his “plumpness” on this one. The site is not meant to be a serious site and it kind of reads like a college newspaper. In my mind–it shows a side of Americana that is truthful to its nature and it should serve as a caution to future English lit wannabes that this type of fare is likely your future.

  • pawikirogii

    the guy refers to koreans as ‘klowns’. you don’t think that’s racist? looking at his latest post about a public toilet, i’m amazed at it’s volume. it’s just reams of anger all coiled up by keystroke. i’d love to see a picture of this dude. i’ll bet he’s ugly. aren’t ya, jake?

  • Mr. Kimchi
  • Mr. Kimchi

    You don’t think that the culture of corruption, ignoring rules and regulations, treating women like dolls doesn’t deserve the word klown? Korea is full of Klowns, just look at how people behave here. Driving? Walking? Working? Room Salons? Throwing Trash Everywhere? Ignoring Red Lights? Just being a cunt?

  • Sumo294

    Actually I like that term–klown. Losers whites are called trailer trash and loser blacks are called ghetto rats. Loser Koreans should be called klowns. I agree. The captain of the Sewol was definitely a klown.

  • dans

    Remember every white person here has gone though 4 years of University. They could easily get a job anywhere. Unlike the Klowns that go the US to have their babies born there so they don’t have to grow up with a Korean passport.

  • Sumo294

    Pawi let us avoid emulating the victim mentality of white America. Who cares what some failed English lit major thinks or writes?

  • Sumo294

    hmmmn . . . that is true. The klowns do fly to America to get a passport baby. What exactly is in dispute with this fact?

  • Sumo294

    Hmmmnnn . . . I love klown liberals they have so much in common with victimized white liberals. Except that they are imitations of English lit majors and not the real thing.

  • Sumo294

    Yes–more shame indeed–the first thing the klown captain said was “its not my fault” just like a good white liberal would say. But sadly–the captain is not white nor does he have an English lit major. I say he should go to jail.

  • cardigan stewz

    are you new to Korea or did you miss Joe Thanks in 2000?

  • cardigan stewz

    That’s about right

  • cardigan stewz

    Flood gates opened prior to the Olympics in 88. It was never “hard” to get here in the 80s or 90s, or 70s.

  • cardigan stewz

    People arrive to make money, Koreans offer food and sex.

  • Sumo294

    There are many more of these guys in Thailand–but when you talk to them in the bar–many of these are just looking for a reason to live one more day. Some of them have been through some horrible abusive childhoods, and some are just so lost in life. Many of them were hoping to find enlightenment or time and space to meditate and some were hoping for some kindness. They were disappointed that its all basically all the same no matter where you go.

  • cardigan stewz

    Ghetto rats?

  • bigmamat

    I see, so if I can get up close and personal enough to have a drink with them they’re not really racist, misogynistic assholes they’re just misunderstood little boys. I’m no psych major but wouldn’t that pretty much describe every miserable jerk that isn’t a straight up sociopath?

  • Sumo294

    Baltimore thing–different cities–different words. For example, Balt’more people like to say that food is “blazing”. “Wow, this crabcake is blazing–yo–I may live in the ghetto but I ain’t no snitch and I ain’t no !@@#$$ ghetto rat”. Its an older term used by older folks for example the older guys will call a .45 a “hammer”–not a term the younger guys will use, however, if you use the word “hammer” they will understand what you are saying. Even the dialect differs as a Baltimore man will say heroin as “hair-ron” no one outside of B’more says it that way.

  • Sumo294

    If you stop thinking of them as white, educated and from America but see them as poor, desperate and lonely it begins to dawn on you that their worldview is not all that dissimilar to that of a black man who feels victimized. It does not excuse bad manners or rude behavior but its important to understand why they act the way they do.

  • A Korean

    True, Mickey D is everywhere nowadays: would you like to supersize it for only 49 cents more?

  • Koreandumbdumb

    Buddhists believe life is a circle. So, if you don’t like your situation, just end it and you may get better deal in next life. Koreans and the Chinese do it. The Japanese celebrate it. But, God says there is no second chance. “And just as each person is destined to die once and after that comes judgment, ” Heb 9:27.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    Sewol is like the Watergate. Koreans are finally questioning its government, Who is taking money from whom and who sleeps with whom (more like who is who’s family member). These corruption by government officials weaken the safety net. Sewol is a good example. Subway crash is another. Obviously some corruption hid some repair or some engineer’s findings. Only small fraction die compared to what’s to come. I am talking about national defense. Many will die due to these hidden corruptions. Just wait and see.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    And, SK as a nation may disappear. Because some general or congressmen or “civil servants” ate the money that should have gone to parts of air plane, tank, cannon, missile or ship. I will be surprised if 10% of these “formidable weapons” in working condition It is the Korean War all over again.

  • Sumo294

    Dlbarch–I like the Catalina yachts a lot–good bang for the buck in my mind–but I think trying to modify one for additional deck space will cost a lot of bucks. Have you seen a yacht with a nice piece of deck at a decent price?

  • bigmamat

    I live among them how can I not know.

  • http://www.rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    OK, now you’re just taking the piss.

  • http://www.rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    If boorish behavior and “just being a cunt” is enough to get whole communities and nations their own clever nicknames, I shudder to imagine what we should call Korea’s Western expat community.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    Hey, I am reading post in a Starbuck in Chino, California. And, your logo is sick. Have some decency! Not everyone crawls in the mud like you. You are disgusting. It is like raping a woman in the public. I had to say something.

  • bigmamat

    I wouldn’t go this far…you can google “nice ass” and I’m sure the pictures would go on for pages. That doesn’t mean that some of our friends here don’t belong to the butthurt boy club. It’s all good. I feel their pain. I know a few. Lewis is the shit. It’s a all just hilarious.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY&hd=1

  • pawikirogii

    i’m not condemning those who choose to kill themselves but so many times people kill themselves for situations that are transitory. that’s the rub. sometimes, suicide might be a viable option but for so many, it really isn’t because they don’t see their situation clearly. for example, that young guy from columbine. he survived unscathed but had his teacher die in his arms. overwhelmed with grief, he killed himself a couple months later. the boy’s situation was transitory but he saw it as permanent. that’s why peolpe should seek help so they can ascertain whether their situation truly is hopeless because 9 times out of 10, it ain’t. that’s all i’m saying.

  • Sumo294

    Sorry baduk–but I like his logo.

  • pawikirogii

    it’s not the writing, it’s the amount of energy they spend denigrating an entire group of people. btw, you like my new grav? 😉

  • pawikirogii

    any of you looking for a quality drama to sink your teeth into, you can’t go wrong with ‘boardwalk empire’. just excellent! i’m binge watching right now!

  • The American

    Do you have Asperger’s or is it all just a big put-on?

  • The American

    Don’t be so modest, Ajosshi Bob!

  • sloppycho
  • Koreandumbdumb

    This is typical hypocrisy here too. Not too many people came, so Commies told people to go round and round to show as if many came. Commies! Hey, instead of mourning the dead, fix the system. Set up some real watchdog commissions. Have newspapers look into bank accounts. Get the real killers rather than spending time in emotional brouhaha. Get real, people!

  • Koreandumbdumb

    If Koreans don’t, then next time they will be mourning their own children killed by NK soldiers. Fix weapons you already have and keep them in working condition. Otherwise, you are dead.

  • sloppycho

    You tell ’em KDD. From your crazy feline lips to Park’s wax-impacted ears.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    Former military people are finally speaking out about the Coast Guard. They are saying these policemen are f***ed up. They barred military and local divers from participating in the rescue. http://joongang.joins.com/article/aid/2014/05/04/14179442.html?cloc=nnc&total_id=14598508
    PGH had no leadership. She didn’t f***ing know what to do. And, the Coast Guard ran with it. The princess got to go.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    Permanently exile her to the La-la land where she belong. This is the problem when someone who had no experience in the real world matter becomes a leader. She thought that everything would be taken care of the professionals. She was just a high school kid in the Sewol. No leadership at all. No understanding of real world. Because she does not live in the real world. All the ajummas who voted her to lead the country should repent. You brought this and you killed high school kids. Not anyone can lead a country.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    There is a pattern in how the princess handles any emergency. She hides. It happened with the sexual assault in the Washington and again in the Sewol accident. Her excuse – she did not know. Then very late, she appears and does half-ass apology. Then she names who did wrong. She never assumes the responsibility of a leader. She is Rho. Actually, Rho was slightly better. She is no leader at all; she is just an Ajumma living in La-la land.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    An average captain in the US Army will be a better leader than the princess. A local bank manager would be too. Even a class leader in Korean high school will lead the nation better than PGH. She does not fit. Get rid of her: she cannot do her job.

  • bumfromkorea

    Serious writing or not (and I would agree that it can’t be considered a serious writing), sites like those simply perpetuate the hate. It multiplies the bitterness, and then convert that to hatred. Some of these writings genuinely and blatantly dehumanizes the people that surrounds them. Just look at how “Mr. Kimchi”, “dans”, and of course, Mr. Korea-Needs-Me talk about the Koreans. I’m very disturbed that they regularly interact with the people that they no longer see as a fellow individual human beings – considering that vast majority of them work with children/teenagers, I’m even more concerned.

    All in the name of improving these gook savages.

  • http://www.eslwriting.org/ eslwriter

    Agree it’s awesome. Have you come across the character who played Omar in The Wire?

  • pawikirogii

    yes, and i’m glad to see the guy has been given more prominence in BE because he deserves it. i see you have good taste in tv shows. any you’d like to recommend? me? my number one choice would be ‘battlestar galactica’ followed by ‘the wire’.

  • http://www.eslwriting.org/ eslwriter

    BBC version, house of cards

  • A Korean

    That’s touching and all, but this is what I would like to see.

    The friends and families of the victims of this disaster get together and organized. Enlist subject experts, ex-officials, and sympathetic political and public figures to apply constant political pressure for a comprehensive investigation, and to come up with and implement reform measures to help insure such a tragedy does not recur.

    Continue to collect donation money. Use some of the money to help those who lost their bread winners get back on their feet. Use the remainder for the political effort. Publicize the aim, urge for continued support and attention of the general public, don’t let off till the goals are achieved.

    Don’t let this pass with a short-lived outburst of anger, prosecution of a few scapegoats, and impotent lamentation on life’s cruelty (
    한). Make them remember. Make sure your loved ones didn’t die for nothing.

  • http://www.rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    Don’t think I’m in a position to criticize another man’s comment section.

  • pawikirogii

    that’s the one i’ve been thinking about. also been hearing lots about a show called ‘true detective’. thanks for the recommendation.

  • Sumo294

    True detective is the best imo. A show likes that mollifies a lot of my anger at Hollywood–I have no idea how a show like that got past the drawing board.

  • Sumo294

    No–she did mess this one up–but you are wrong that she will not learn from this. Do not for one minute think that a commie like Nho would be better for the ROK. The commies made a huge mistake–they failed to funnel the donation money into super pacs that could be wielded into a sustainable fund like the liberals did post 9-11. The liberals in Korea have yet to learn how to run and manage disaster funds and siphon off operational costs to pay for professional agitators who can be hired out as temps for union activism. The unions in turn would pressure their boys and gals in government to earmark funds for the NGO’s and use marketing hype to hide their activism.

  • Sumo294

    This is a smart white liberal–he understands that organizing money and having commies in charge of the money is the key to sustaining grassroot movements. As people donate–you create a database of self selective people who are open to emotional marketing. You consistently tap into this database upon every disaster and take half the operational budget and create social events that feed the NGO beast. With the PI so close it is a great vehicle for the commies.

  • A Korean

    야 임마! 정신차려.

  • Sumo294

    You should do it–commie–you would be their hero–party with the stars and make yourself rich. You will be well thought of as you go on the media circuit and explain how you help disaster victims. As your NGO develops into a brand name–you can recruit kids right out of Seoul Univ and start to develop ties into govt families and chaebol families. You won’t need Juche–you and yourself would be the new great commie–all the lesser commies would be forced to bow to you as you walk into a room with your beautiful wife, your beautiful car and pictures of your beautiful house.

  • A Korean

    Imma ask a simple question. Did you understand what I wrote? What did I write?

  • A Korean

    More pertinent, perhaps: what you’ve been drinking?

  • Sumo294

    You wrote–organize the money–use half to help families, use the other half to fund a political base to drive reform and to sustain a truth seeking commission. You see this as noble–I am telling you how it will turn out–when you stockpile lots of money–the question becomes who manages the money? Even the most noble commie liberal with the best intentions will never give up his or her role as the People’s Prosecutor and Fund Raiser in Chief with glorious ability to pierce into the problems of capitalistic problems and imperial failures.

  • pawikirogii

    i kept running into chatter about the show and so i googled it. what surprised me was the a list stars of matthew mcconaughey and woody harrelson. both actors usually choose quality films. i’m gonna have a look. thanks for the recco.

  • bumfromkorea

    There is a definite difference between a laissez faire policy and what they do over there. This is a rowdy pub with occasional fistfights from all sides. Over there, we got, er, certain “theme” bars in Arizona that I definitely stay the hell away from.

  • pawikirogii

    i don’t believe he allows any dissent. he censors what’s on that board since every post must be approved by the politburo before it appears on the thread. i just hope the korean newspapers don’t find out about his toilette post. i mean, if somebody from koreansentry reports that to the media, the sh*t may hit the fan instead of the bathroom floor!

    * for korean speakers who may not understand ‘sh*t (싯) hitting the fan’, it means there’s going to be lots of trouble. let’s hope jake and his crew don’t suffer any public scrutiny from the korean people. it’d be a shame for koreans to discover a blog maintained by the ozark 4. all of them well steeped in the art of cooking squirrel. sometimes, your parents have the same last name before marriage and this creates problems in looks and demeanor. the addiction to moonshine and hush puppies don’t help either. their physiques on par with those who live in the trash. korea can’t help the inbreeding though they might be able to offer them a bit of sassafras tea and cornbread to go between those split teeth of theirs.

    no, let’s hope the ozark 4 can remain in the shadows of the net mulling and skulking about as they do do take pictures of places ya doo doo.

    chosun ilbo, you out there?

  • Jieun K

    Part II: Noir meets Music in Watching the Detectives

  • pawikirogii

    many people don’t know that chosun korea had a caucasian king named seolwa (설와/雪窩). king seolwa ruled for a mere ten days before he was overthrown by prince kojeong. king seolwa is remembered for having issued a decree guaranteeing the right to privacy for all the korean people. this was seen as heresy by both east and west and caused them to engage in coup. though he escaped with his life, he was hunted down without mercy, captured, tortured, and then burned at the stake. his shillok has not been found. here is our first look at our caucasian king. it was painted by the royal chef hwang mo who also penned the cookbook ‘ilshikdaun yori’ (일식다운 요리), which means something like easy but lazy cooking. the painting is in the usual style though this time, there is some added flair with the addition of the mugunghwa. a masterpiece!

  • Simurgh

    > I shudder to imagine what we should call
    > Korea’s Western expat community.

    “Pat smears”?

  • http://landinglunkers.com Nomad

    Pawi,
    A few other shows you may like: Ray Donovan, From Dusk to Dawn, Justified, Deadwood. Have you watched Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones?

  • bigmamat

    Yeah cause it’s hilarious and it would be difficult to pull the trigger while you’re laughing. You might miss and shoot the dog. This movie actually makes it somewhere on my most favorite list out of all the movies I’ve ever seen.

  • bigmamat

    You don’t get a second chance because god says so you don’t get a second change because science says so.

  • bigmamat

    Are they really from the Ozarks or are you now engaging in the same thing we’ve been discussing? Oh and BTW there’s nothing wrong with hush puppies provided they have a little onion and they don’t usurp the place of gravy and biscuits.

  • bigmamat

    Is he the one that took pictures of the bathroom stall and then gave detailed descriptions of the conditions? I read one of those posts. It’s a bit like slowing down at an accident site. You know you shouldn’t look but you can’t help it because you know you shouldn’t.

  • bigmamat

    Minus the room salons it’s sounds a lot like the U.S. to me. I’d say a guy that moves to a foreign country and then spends a huge amount of his free time writing long essays about how much it sucks might fit the definition of cunt. But since it’s such a subjective word then we could argue later over who qualifies.

  • bigmamat

    Absolutely and some of them seem to hide it very well from whatever Korean woman they are messing around with at the time. I think the guy at Via Korea usually has a native girlfriend that he often discusses in not so glowing terms. Either she’s never seen his blog or didn’t spend enough time studying English to understand what he’s saying about her and everyone else in her country.

  • bigmamat

    Now what have you got against people with Asperger’s?

  • bigmamat

    I don’t think the captain is a “liberal”. I believe it’s come to light that he’s in some odd ball Christian cult that is mostly made up of conservatives. Why does that sound familiar to me? I wonder.

  • taylorholtfk395

    i see.

  • taylorholtfk395

    great post mate.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    Science is a rock music. Scientists sell theories as if they are truth. I have MS in chemistry and MS in computer science. They are priests of a religion called “universe is born out of nothing and no real rules exist. Just let it all hang out.” Do you know 10 centuries ago, “scientists” said the earth is flat. In 10 centuries from now, all things scientists say now will be laughed at. You go ahead and believe “we came from worms. And, we should live naturally.” F*** it. That is your god.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    I like that. Of course 90% of Konglish speakers will not get it- some GIs too? For expat comunity, how about “Strangers in a strange land”?

  • bigmamat

    Well most everybody kinda thought the earth was flat till they proved that it wasn’t. It wasn’t a pope that figured out how to prove it either. You have an MS in chemistry. Sure whatever you say. There is a god. I’m just not in touch with him.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    Commies do what Commies do. See KJU? SK Commies are into the same thing. However, without income redistribution how do you stop wealth accumulation by a few individuals? Is it healthy for a country to have wealth concentrated to a few powerful (ruling?) families? Are we back to the middle ages?

  • Koreandumbdumb

    I don’t mean a Commie to be next president. But how much SK should suffer while PGH goes through on-the-job training? Rho, at least, knew he could not heck it so he hid behind GoGun. If she cannot stand the heat, she should get out of the kitchen before she weakens the country. Leading Korea is not a girl’s job. Just imagine a real confrontation with NK. She cannot lead the troops. See what she did with the Sewol accident. She relied on a wrong group of people, the coast guard, and she failed. So step down and let someone who can lead do the job!

  • Koreandumbdumb

    I am partial to “Burn Notice”. It remains me of Travis McGee series by John MacDonald.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    Also, if u r a scifi nut like me, watch “Dr.Who” at Netflix.

  • redwhitedude

    Just out of curiosity could you point me to one.

  • Koreandumbdumb
  • pawikirogii

    thank you for the recommendations, nomad. i’ll look into them. game of thrones? YES! the show can stand next to the best in american television but ‘breaking bad’? NO! i stopped watching after two seasons because i didn’t think it was all that good even though everybody raved about it. i don’t feel the series could stand next to the best and i personally would not put it on any top ten list. have a good day, nomad.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    What I am saying is whatever you believe, be it “Big Bang”, “General theory of Relativity”, “Nothing can move faster than the speed of light”, “quantum mechanics” or “Evolution” can be debunked in the next century. They are rock music to sell to the crowd. Not the truth.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    There are some decent people and (this is very important) young Korean kids who want to know what ex-pats are talking about. They will be turned off. Young women will be disgusted as well. Minimum etiquette is required. Why do something that hurts others? Isn’t that what you complain about Korea?

  • bigmamat

    Right but I don’t think it’s a theory that human beings die. That doesn’t require further evidence.

  • http://www.eslwriting.org/ eslwriter

    Whenever I need a dose of blind hatred, I come to the MH, a microcosm of the global village.

  • Sumo294

    I understand your egalitarian impulses but the productivity curve only shifts upward when the tail moves to the right. The average person in the ROK lives in a clean room with a modern bathroom and eats moderately well with occasional luxuries. Most have modern phones with access to the internet and watch various venues of entertainment with ease and are highly educated by global standards. This did not exist thirty years ago. The tail has shifted to the right-but importantly–the body has also shifted to the right–look at the pictures and its so obvious. It takes maturity and kindness to allow the materially rich alone. In reality–our rich as defined will be considered quaint in just fifty years.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    Griffin grabbed Iguana’s d*** when he was shooting the three point. It delivered a clear message what he would do to it if the Golden State beats Clippers. Iguana slowed down and Clippers (soon to have different name) beat the Warriors.

    Another important fact: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/world/2014/05/182_156577.html
    If your wife says she had sex with a ghost, your first question should be “was it warm?”
    It is not a laughing matter. Many Korean women talk about the experience called “Sinnarim” where they become a slave to a dead Satanic figure. Then they can see the future. So, they make living telling fortunes. Some influential Koreans rely on these medium on making major decisions. Samsung and Hyundai do the same. Apple may not be able to fight Samsung because Demon-possessed women are telling the company how to move. Hyundai might not be able to beat Toyota because Japan got the women with the same power.
    Spiritual beings are co-habiting this earth. Only through Jesus Christ, you can fight these demonic forces. Hallelujah.

  • Sumo294

    I know you have great love for the ROK–its obvious–but you no longer live in Korea–there are limits to what you should say. If war breaks out–its not you that dies. There are white liberals living in Seoul who love KJU but at least they will suffer the same fate as all of us if Seoul was to get hit by artillery.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    Some may correct me that it is Iguodala. But if you see his face, you will agree with me.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/daily-take/201404/donald-sterling-los-angeles-clippers-new-owner-name-change-nba
    The Clippers must change the team name. I like add to the list, LA Drive-by Shooters or LA Earthquakes. LA Beach Bums? Wouldn’t it look bad to lose to Beach Bums?

  • The American

    Just do a Google search with the terms “Korea,” “hate” and “blog,” and you’ll get heaps of hits like this one:

    http://ifihadaminutetospare.com/2012/04/26/ten-reasons-why-i-dislike-korea/

    Nearly a hundred comments under the above post suggests that it is a highly resonate theme for many.

    This guy hated teaching and being in Korea so much that he actually made two different blogs on the topic:

    http://ihateteachinginkorea.blogspot.kr

    http://teachingenglishsucksinkorea.blogspot.kr

    “I came to Korea a pretty calm and relaxed fellow. I will leave with a chip on my shoulder. The only way you can get the Koreans to attempt to do what you want is by beating them over the head with a logic club. Mildly ineffective, but they need some common sense more than they need English teachers.”

    There are a number of other more “sophisticated” or “creative” blogs in this subgenre written by individuals who are obviously intelligent and even decent writers, but you can tell that they do not like Korea or Koreans at all, either:

    http://f5waeg.blogspot.kr

    “Fuck you Mr. Adjosshit.” Isn’t that clever, folks?

    Mr. Klownism seems to be a fan of “Land of the Mourning Clam,” as you can see in his affectionate comment below this almost too “politically correct” comic panel:

    http://landofthemourningclam.wordpress.com/2014/03/19/spitting-image/

    To be sure, Korean Rum Diary was one of the pioneers of this hair-of-the-dog subgenre, but he is long gone from the Peninsula and seems to have removed most of his Korea-related writing from his blog in an attempt to flog a novel that is evidently based on it. Here’s a taste:

    http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/dswills/2011/09/excerpt-from-the-dog-farm-2/

    “At the end of the day I taught one class. That was my training over. Two hours of listening to Debbie talk and seven hours of watching teachers teach. I’d really learned nothing except that appearance was all that mattered. The kids clearly weren’t learning anything, and most of the Korean teachers spoke almost no English. The place was a joke. If I decided to jump about and spout gibberish I would have been considered a good teacher… as long as I smiled and wore a tie.”

    That’s pretty mild compared to much of what I recall of KRD, but it’s still depressing as fuck.

    In any case, as I said above, “Jake” of Expat Hell seems to be the current tranny-banging, soju-swilling, ajosshi-slamming, toilet-gazing guru of this little cult. Interestingly, however, he seems rather shy of his status as a visit to his site just now indicates that he recently removed the blogroll on the righthand side of the main page, which normally lists many of his partners-in-literary crime (one can still find it via a Google cache search). Obviously, he hopes to disassociate himself from all the other “Korea hate blogs,” at least for now. One can also see that a few critical comments from TMH readers are starting to give him a bit of grief. Guess he doesn’t it like it when the hate is directed back at him, does he?

    Suck it up, mate. You earned it!

  • redwhitedude

    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-05-01/one-missing-jet-one-sunken-ferry-two-responses

    Interesting overview contrasting how SK responded to Sewol disaster versus Malaysia responding to the MH370 disappearance. Korea is by no means perfect but the fact that people can rant about this and put pressure for officials to be held accountable to the screw ups says a lot.

    An even bigger contrast will be with China which is officially a one party state.

  • redwhitedude

    “I hate K-pop” LOL.
    I’ve heard about Dave’s ESL cafe has some of this crowd too.

  • Sumo294

    hehe–you actually got me going for a second.

  • dlbarch

    Catalinas are great boats…there’s a reason they’re so popular.

    But, dude, there is no way anyone puts an ICON on a Catalina and gets away with it. Catalinas are keel boats…they’re designed to heel over in heavy wind and stay upright. The damn things just can’t be knocked over.

    But modify one to carry an ICON? No way…it can’t be done.

    Instead, I’d just put the ICON on a trailer and take it out when you want, and leave the sailing for another day.

    Cheers,
    DLB

  • Sumo294

    Sigh . . . . my dream!!! My dream!!! It’s dying!!! My boat with an ICONA5 and a scooter going anywhere I desire . . . Freedom!!!!!

  • gbnhj

    No reason for your dream to die. You simply need a larger boat.

  • rowan

    The saddest part is that they felt that suicide was their only or their best option. People die all the time from accident, war, disease and old age, but by far the worst is suicide. The two people i have known who have committed suicide were people that plenty of others would want to be, the role of mental illness must be by far the most significant as there was no other reason that i could see.

  • http://landinglunkers.com Nomad

    The new FX show Fargo is pretty good so far. Billy Bob Thornton is nailing his role.

  • sloppycho

    It’s clear that most posters on this blog, (and perhaps even Mr Koehler) have very little concern for Korea’s future economic development and further growth. It reminds me of my high school days when morons all around me would say ‘Murica, love it or leave it’

    After reading this bit, it struck me like a bolt of literary lightning. Imagine if JD Salinger had written a sequel to ‘Catcher In The Rye’ … set somewhere in Korea, with Holden Caufield now a ‘wise’ 24 yr old English Hagwon teacher. You somehow channelled the essence of Holden’s character and transported it to Korea. Brilliant!

    We’re all phonies aren’t we?

  • rowan

    just so i understand: someone busted you ogling a picture of a thong clad buttocks in the middle of starbucks and somehow it is cardigan stewz’ fault?

  • Sumo294

    larger boat needs larger wallet–sigh.

  • ChuckRamone

    It is in fact terribly written in the turgid prose of a grad student with literary aspirations. Some obviously pretentious turd who thinks really highly of his own intelligence.

  • bumfromkorea

    Take the toilet post, for example. Virtually all comments in there are variations of “Haha, these fucking Klown barbarians”. There are very few sites that has a similar concentration of blind hatred, and it ain’t MH.

    It’s the occidentalism.org for Expats – not that there weren’t already overlaps to begin with.

  • wangkon936

    At least Samsung can go back to selling noodles and distributing sugar… 😉

  • wangkon936

    I actually think Jake is funny sometimes and isn’t as “hating” on Korea as some casual observers may think. His interviews with “ajosshis” (real or made up I am not sure, but I would guess they are based on some interaction with real ajosshis) is actually a pretty funny and enlightening sometimes.

    Jake tends to focus on the dark “underside” of Korea (i.e. prostitution, drug use, lower socio-economic status groups, minorities, etc.), which certainly exists, but isn’t really a part of the overall narrative of said country. I take what Jake says with a grain of salt.

    I take a more systemic approach to the problem. To get rid of these foreigners that have overly negative attitudes of (not just) Korea (but of other countries that are not their home country), Korea needs to have fewer individuals based on limited duration contracts. IMHO the most virulent complainers tend to have lower education levels and tend to have the least international mindsets. Korea needs to reform its English education system, perhaps regulate it more. Negative expat attitudes on Korea are more of a product of their lax quality control standards on English “instructors” (quotation marks quite deliberate).

  • wangkon936

    The funny thing about the toilet post is that, from a certain perspective, you can say that about any toilet in some dive bar in NJ or Los Angeles. Is Jake’s point to say that Korea is culturally worse than the West or at the same level?

    I would hazard to guess usually worse or at the same level, at best. However, I am not Jake so I dunno.

  • wangkon936

    That I agree with. I would hazard to guess that Jake heavily screens his comment section.

  • wangkon936

    Had an interesting conversation with a Korean girl last night who came from Korea about a year ago. We talked about differences in countries and I found some of the things she said interesting. First of all she did have this impression that America would be as modern than it was portrayed in the movies. She also thought that all white people were good looking, also portrayed in the movies. She found Los Angeles to be dirty and full of a lot of non-Asian immigrants, Hollywood to be smaller and a lot less interesting than she originally thought. She also discovered the fact that white people, on average, were not as good looking as she originally thought also. Like Asia, there are a lot of average looking white people in America.

    I countered that there must be scores of Japanese and Chinese tourists who are disappointed in Korea after watching Korean dramas and movies and also coming up with their own “expectations.” In terms of looks, hey, what did you expect? Movies are movies and average is called average for a reason!

    I guess the point was she thought that America would somehow be “better” than Korea, but it wasn’t. She’s in the second year of her student visa and will probably return back to Korea after her stint. A lot of Koreans are doing this now. Perhaps overstaying their tourist visa or student visa a little, but usually going back. The immigration numbers from Korea to the U.S. has fallen like a rock from a peak of 24k in the mid-80’s to about 360 in 2013. I think it’s a mix of Korea getting to be a better country from the mid-80’s to now and America’s prospects falling since at least 2008.

  • redwhitedude

    That would mean reabsorbing CJ. Another family fight.

  • wangkon936

    That is true… however, I’m sure an accommodation can be made if one was desperate enough.

  • redwhitedude

    One way is to requiring that people are genuinely going to make a career in education.

  • redwhitedude

    Or one branch of the family does not have heirs to pass the business. At this point CJ is its own thing and pretty successful at that. Look at the way they went into movies, and music.

  • wangkon936
  • wangkon936

    Excellent observation.

  • redwhitedude

    Shrewdest move investing in DreamWorks.

  • Bob Bobbs

    I wish I could disprove any of the above statements, but I cannot. So…thank you for the insight.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    I wish I could say you are right but no. Koreans are into grieving and that is the end. Long line at the funeral. Lots of crying…Not necessarily for the kids but for being born in Korea. Nothing will come out of it other than locking up the company president. No real reform or new agency. The government may set up one but it will be a ghost agency. No money and no real staff. Eastern people still do not see these disasters as “man-made” but they rather like to view it as “god-made calamity”. They do not have the western concept of sin or one true God, nor they understand modern technology. It is easier to say “there is nothing much we can do about it”. That way they can be lazy and spent the money to drink and party.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    It is too bad that there is no ferocious animals in LA, other than gangbangers. Someone in the article suggested Americans. LA Americans? Do you mean the rest of country is not American? Americans verses Grizzlies. Do not fit. Many in LA are not Americans but illegal aliens from South America. If you go to downtown LA, everyone speaks Spanish, I mean Mexican. LA Mexicans, anybody?

  • GerryBevers

    The thing that sticks out in the above post is that the writer seems to be attacking the “English-language Korean blogosphere” with the same vindictive gusto as those he or she is railing against. It is a hateful post with several general conclusions about “Mr. White.”

    Also, the writer seems to be imprisoned in his or her own oppressive paradox. If he or she does not like what the so-called Korea-haters write, why does he or she spend so much time reading their blogs?

    I do not read any of the blogs mentioned, so I do not know what kind of mutation they have undergone in the past few years, but some things never change. I have been called a Korea-hater for, at least, 15 years, not because I complain about the food, the environment, or the culture, but because I have questioned some of Korea’s historical claims, including her historical claim to Dokdo.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    I like people who are reading my posts to prepare. Set up a dryrun about where to gather family members and how to move to the south while avoiding the main highway(these will be filled with abandoned cars) and what to do when you get to Busan. There is good chance that family members will be lost. So, you have to set the exact spot in Busan to meet.

  • redwhitedude

    We’ll have to see what comes out of it, maybe you are right. People might forget about it in due time or perhaps it will go down in history as the disaster that fostered serious regulatory reform in Korea.

  • redwhitedude

    LA clippers is fine. Why change it?

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    Getting the team name changed is important because it’s a totem of complete annihilation, like taking a scalp used to be. The Clippers’ owner ran afoul of the leftist thought police, therefore the team and any indication of its past existence must be obliterated — pour encourager les autres.

  • The American

    Gerry, I suggest you read a bit more carefully and try to keep up. I did not attack the entire “English-language Korean blogosphere,” and I don’t really read the haters all that much. That said, when you’re at the dinner table having dinner and a cockroach scrambles past the bread basket, the best thing to do is just smash it.

    And, for the record, I don’t consider you a “Korea hater” at all. In your specific case, intellectually lazy ethnonationalists who don’t have the chops to address your arguments on their own terms simply call you that because they’re silly and can’t think of anything better to say. I personally think the historical record on Dokdo is not at all clear-cut, and as a consequence your contributions to the debate should be welcomed by all serious observers. Who could possibly argue otherwise?

  • Simurgh

    I don’t think grotesquely racist comments from a team owner in a league that’s 73% black really counts as “leftist thought police”. The Mozilla CEO controversy was a much better example.

    Anyhow, these days the right-wing political correctness police are much more virulent.

  • The American

    Look, buddy, you don’t even live in Korea. Why don’t you focus your energies on improving the “lax quality control standards” that allow Korean crime syndicates and prostitution rings to flourish in your particular region of the US? California could also do with far fewer “anchor babies” with South Korean mothers and other such immigration scam artists. Your thoughts on a more “systemic approach to the problem” will be much appreciated!

  • The American

    “Their home culture is a intolerant monoculture, just as much as Korea is an intolerant monoculture.”

    Wangkon936: Smuggling in his ethnic grievances and radicalized resentments while pretending to be the white man’s reasonable friend since, well, just about forever!

  • wangkon936

    Hummm… I knew someone would find an objection to this. I don’t always have the time to fully explain what I want to say. My background is American culture. North American, if you stretch it.

    What I mean here is that Americans believe in the superiority of their culture and require a certain amount of assimilation to that culture from their immigrants and their client states. As the son of immigrants I know, and have experienced this first hand. It is not necessarily a bad thing to have belief and confidence in the superiority of your culture.

    Throughout American history this has created some problems, such as the near annihilation of the Native Americans or with the various wars with Mexico. Actually, Texas is probably the best example of American mono culture. Mexico had invited American settlers into Mexico with the requirement that they assimilate into Mexican culture: adopt Catholicism and give up slavery. The American settlers, despite having nominally become Mexican citizens, did not assimilate (take up Catholicism, give up slavery or drop English based tort vs. Spanish based civil law) and decided to fight for an independent Texas once they started to outnumber native Texans.

    However, this has helped America be successful in certain areas too. In my opinion, American “Exceptionalism” has helped it win the Cold War, for example.

    Americans strong sense of confidence in their culture has had mixed results in the nation building front. Korea and Japan adopted and accepted select pieces of the American culture and institutions imposed or strongly suggested upon them. Less of a success in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. Complete backfire in Iran when some of the American inspired social changes in Iran by the Shah ultimately lead America to be painted as the “Greater Satan” by Islamic fundamentalists.

    Both America and Korea have very strong cultures and a powerful belief that their cultures can lead to correct actions and responses to challenges. They also, objectively, lead to a certain level of intolerance and cultural myopic vision. That’s all I’m really saying.

  • wangkon936

    California could also do with far fewer “anchor babies” with South Korean mothers and other such immigration scam artists.

    I think you exaggerate the significance of this problem. From what I hear, most of the Korean families who do this don’t do it for the same reason that many Latinos do it.

    Korean crime syndicates and prostitution rings to flourish in your particular region of the US?

    You are probably not exaggerating this problem. Heavily covered in the Korean American press too.

    I’ve said this in several other comments in this blog, but I think the systemic issue that creates so much prostitution in Korea is the fact that job opportunities for Korea women is not equal or near equal or somewhat equal with men yet.

  • Sumo294

    This book seems promising, seems to be a lifelong passion project based on historical figures but embellished for literary reasons. http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2988711&cloc=joongangdaily|home|newslist2

  • The American

    “From what I hear, most of the Korean families who do this don’t do it for the same reason that many Latinos do it.”

    It doesn’t matter why they do it, and even you concede that the phenomenon exists. They are parasites on the US system who expect certain “advantages” from it without paying into it properly like everyone else. Stop fixating on expats in Korea and pay more attention to your own backyard, your own community. At least most expats in Korea are productive members of society and not self-entitled welfare leeches who think the rest of society owes them a life of carefree leisure and never-ending handouts.

  • sloppycho

    For anyone who would spend years and years focusing on bashing Koreans or any group of people because of all the awful qualities they they’ve observed in their short time among them, should ask themselves one question – Are they personally better off for it? financially, relationships with people, future outlook?

    If you aren’t spending the majority of your time to make your own life and those around you better, then your approach to life is all wrong and you wasting, probably the best years of your life on something so pointless is all on you and nobody else.

  • Sumo294

    At first I thought an affiliation with NYT would make it an unapologetic liberal rag–but I have been impressed with some articles that the Korea Joongang Daily has written. Who the heck are these writers? They actually seem to be intent on finding real stories.

  • wangkon936

    Actually, I think America comes ahead when it comes to Korean (as well as Taiwanese) anchor babies. First of all, these Koreans are generally more affluent, don’t come to America and leach off the Medicaid system once they land in the States. They pay for hotel lodging and their own medical expenses. Once they have the baby, they usually go home.

    They do it not to have a way to stay in the States permanently, but do so to afford those children added educational advantages and to draft dodge, if necessary. Kids born in the states have the option to go to American colleges without worrying about applying for student visas. Once in American schools their parents generally pay all the education and lodging expenses. That type of aggregate demand adds to the U.S. economy. The American university education system is one of the few comparative advantages that the country has left in the global economy.

  • Sumo294

    Social Security and Medicaid are about 60 percent of the US budget add about 8 percent for interest payments on treasury bills and you have about 70 percent of the US budget. I would say the parasites have been the white liberals in America who has made this happen. If Social Security and Medicaid were only half of the amount–the US would have no debt and would be so rich that China would not overtake the US economy for another hundred years–and oh yeah–have no need to export workers to Korea.

  • cmxc

    Here is some very recent data from BCG showing that Korea’s manufacturing cost competitiveness has now fallen below that of the United States.

    Korea desperately needs foreign industrial and skilled talent. Korean productivity is so low that it endangers its future as a manufacturing center in Asia.

    https://www.bcgperspectives.com/content/articles/lean_manufacturing_globalization_how_global_manufacturing_cost_competitiveness_has_shifted_over_past_decade/

  • wangkon936

    “At least most expats in Korea are productive members of society and not self-entitled welfare leeches who think the rest of society owes them a life of carefree leisure and never-ending handouts.”

    This does not describe the vast majority of the Korean American community.

    Please read this research for further enlightenment on the subject:

    http://www.iie.com/publications/chapters_preview/365/4iie3586.pdf

    To mix up Koreans with other immigrant groups that you may have a negative attitude towards is a gross generalization and a logical fallacy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization

  • The American

    Ah yes, what would TMH be without its kooky “libertarians”? Social Security is self-funded through individual contributions and every other developed country on the world has state-provided health care that costs around half of what it does in the US because insurance companies don’t write the freakin’ laws there. If conservatives are so opposed to “socialism” and “big government,” let’s start by radically downsizing our bloated military industrial-complex, which is really a form of taxpayer-funded military Keynesianism. The defense industry is the biggest parasite of all, as far as I can tell.

  • Sumo294

    Expat Hell is truthful. I have read no lies on the website. The writers, however, do not realize what really has happened to them. Korea has segregated teachers into low rent areas and specifically into buildings that are undesirable to your average Korean–this segregation while not deliberate or collusive as the whites did to migrating blacks is still racially selective. Hence, the teachers are stuck next to red light areas, bars, and yes–crazy Koreans and old people on pensions. Without money to experience the better things that Seoul has to offer–the experience quickly becomes myopic and disturbing–therefore, they soon feel like circus freaks–pawed at and prodded like dancing bears and around them are the Klowns–who are oblivious to their discomfort–who in turn are dancing to their own show.

  • The American

    “This does not describe the vast majority of the Korean American community.”

    This does not describe what I actually said. I suggest remedial English reading-comprehension classes, instead of wasting so much time on blogs.

  • wangkon936

    Your response was open to interpretation. However, to cover my bases (and hedge), I did leave another comment here:

    http://www.rjkoehler.com/2014/05/03/open-thread-may-3-2014/#comment-1371465513

    My reading comprehension is fine. I got a 700 on the verbal section of the SAT.

    I suggest remedial English reading-comprehension classes, instead of wasting so much time on blogs.

    Ad hominems are counter productive and actually can be quite damaging, if continued. I suggest having a reasoned discussion without the snark.

  • sloppycho

    Anthony Bourdain writes about America’s ‘loving’ relationship with one of it’s closest neighbors, Mexico. For his ‘Parts Unknown’ travel show on CNN.

    Americans love Mexican food. We consume nachos, tacos, burritos, tortas, enchiladas, tamales, and anything resembling Mexican in enormous quantities.

    We love Mexican beverages, happily knocking back huge amounts of tequila, mezcal and Mexican beer every year.

    We love Mexican people — as we sure employ a lot of them. Despite our ridiculously hypocritical attitudes towards immigration, we demand that Mexicans cook a large percentage of the food we eat, grow the ingredients we need to make that food, clean our houses, mow our lawns, wash our dishes, and look after our children. As any chef will tell you, our entire service economy — the restaurant business as we know it — in most American cities, would collapse overnight without Mexican workers. Some, of course, like to claim that Mexicans are “stealing American jobs.” But in two decades as a chef and employer, I never had ONE American kid walk in my door and apply for a dishwashing job, a porter’s position — or even a job as prep cook. Mexicans do much of the work in this country that Americans, provably, simply won’t do. We love Mexican drugs. Maybe not you personally, but “we,” as a nation, certainly consume titanic amounts of them — and go to extraordinary lengths and expense to acquire them.

    We love Mexican music, Mexican beaches, Mexican architecture, interior design, Mexican films.

    So, why don’t we love Mexico?

    We throw up our hands and shrug at what happens and what is happening just across the border. Maybe we are embarrassed.

    Mexico, after all, has always been there for us, to service our darkest needs and desires. Whether it’s dress up like fools and get pass-out drunk and sun burned on Spring break in Cancun, throw pesos at strippers in Tijuana, or get toasted on Mexican drugs, we are seldom on our best behavior in Mexico. They have seen many of us at our worst. They know our darkest desires.

    Full post can be read here.

  • The American

    “Kids born in the states have the option to go to American colleges without worrying about applying for student visas.”

    That’s because they’re American citizens and should have first right to educational opportunities in the US, and not be displaced by masses of drive-by foreign students, de jure or otherwise. Public schools in the US are largely funded by property taxes, for instance, so unless your parents are living and working in the US over the course of many years, you’re already taking advantage of the system right there. And how do you think state colleges and universities are funded? You need to take a broader and more holistic view of things, instead overly focusing on narrow self-interest, which seems to be your (de)fault(y) setting.

  • The American

    Everything is “open to interpretation” with you, isn’t it?

  • cmxc

    Did you mean “pap smears”?

    Or were you trying to be clever and combine pap-smears with Korean pat-bing-su?

  • wangkon936

    Excuse me? You don’t need to give me a lesson. I pay nearly 10k in property taxes a year. That’s probably 10k more than you pay. I don’t like it when non-tax paying illegal immigrants sucking up resources increases my taxes. I am definitely more impacted than you are.

    So. you are telling me that if a foreign university student pays for his own tuition, room and board that’s not additive to the U.S. economy?

    International students add $24 billion in net economic benefit to the U.S. economy in 2013:

    http://www.iie.org/~/media/Files/Corporate/Open-Doors/Special-Reports/NAFSA-Economic-Benefits-International%20Students-2013.ashx

    Probably one of the few trade surpluses we have.

    Additionally, when someone pays the full tuition without public or private university assistance, it gives the government or the educational institution the ability to help out more people who need the assistance. Does it in a sense “crowd out” admissions? Maybe, but probably less so then alumni children admissions or affirmative action (for which I have been a victim of as part of the “non-preferred” minority).

    This isn’t the kind of conversation that both of us may have wanted to get into. However, we are in it and it’s a time suck IMHO. Immigration, its benefits and issues in the U.S. is a pretty complex topic. Worthy of TMH comment section? Maybe for you because you are the one that brought it up, but my time is finite so it is no longer a great subject for me.

    Anyways, I stand by my assertion that the anchor baby problem, as far as Koreans in the U.S. stands, is not as draining or as serious as it may be for other minorities that walk rather than ride a plane into the country. Furthermore, the Koreans are cracking down on it because of the draft dodging aspect to it and also a desire to keep more money in the country then have Korean parents spend it in the U.S.

  • wangkon936

    The converse would be that there is only one answer to a problem, which I don’t agree with. We are talking issues of social science, history and political science, not mathematics. Issues involving complex humans can and should have multiple and flexible solutions and viewpoints. Linear and one dimensional thinking, inability to process and listen to opposing viewpoints are not very productive at the end of the day.

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    Nope. If Donald Sterling did something racist with or to the Clippers I would totally down with this, but his defenestration is happening totally based on thoughtcrime. That’s un-American.

  • The American

    “So. you are telling me that if a foreign university student pays for his own tuition, room and board that’s not additive to the U.S. economy?”

    No, that’s just another one of your “open to interpretation” spins.

    What I am arguing here is that South Korean anchor babies should not be allowed to “game the system.” International students should pay the full rate of tuition in accordance with their true status, full stop. American born-and-bred citizens should have first access to educational institutions in their own country. Immigrants to the US should play by the rules and think of themselves as members of society, rather than trying to get over on everyone else.

    Your local university may offer extension courses on logic and debate in the English language. Why not have a look?

  • The American

    The converse would be actually listening to what your interlocutor has to say. As opposed to imagining what you think they are saying.

    Aristotle: “It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.”

  • wangkon936

    Your local university may offer extension courses on logic and debate in the English language.

    I went to a top 25 undergraduate university here in the States and got my MBA from a top 25 institution as well. I do I could do some due diligence on your education attainment as I have access to you identity beyond your user name. But I won’t do that. There is no need for it. It isn’t germane to the argument at hand. However, if you choose to persist in using ad hominems in your comments towards me, you really leave me no choice. You will also notice that in my discussions with you I am not using any ad hominems.

    Please stop using ad hominems and we’ll be fine. I don’t mind disagreeing with people.

  • bumfromkorea

    700?! That’s an Asian D+, Wangkon. Shame on you.

  • The American

    I graduated with honors from the best public university in California. You’re welcome.

    Your repeated invocation of “ad hominems” is interesting. I keep telling you to focus more carefully on my actual arguments, and you keep distorting them through your own personal filter and viewpoint. Moreover, you keep bringing your own biography into the discussion in an attempt to legitimize your arguments. My dictionary’s definition of “ad hominem” is “relating to or associated with a particular person.” Why not practice what you preach?

  • wangkon936

    If I am misinterpreting the intent of your comment, then provide clarification, not insults. It’s really that simple.

    There is no intent on my end to purposely misconstrue what you are saying. Sometimes you are not clear. Sometimes the theme of a thread leaves shorter comments open to interpretation. Don’t automatically assume that there is a sinister intent from a response that you may not fully agree with.

  • The American

    Basically you were trying to defend anchor babies born of South Korean parents, or at least downplay the problem. And then you started introducing a lot of other crap and distraction when called out on it, as is your wont.

    “It’s really that simple.”

  • wangkon936

    I was not defending the concept of anchor babies. I was arguing that you were magnifying the problem beyond the scope of what the problem really was, thus effectively making it your red herring.

    Listen, you taught in a university. We are two logical and reasonable people, right? Let’s handle this like two adults. You made the accusation that Korean anchor babies were a big problem in California as a way to “distract” from my negative comments on a problematic segment of the expat community.

    I wonder what the data would say. Is there any published data that backs up your assertion that Korean anchor babies are a big drain on the resources of California? Not an article that merely mentions it’s existence or that anchor babies from poor countries (i.e. NOT Korea or Taiwan) are a drain. We all know that exists. One that quantifiably demonstrates the harm of Korean anchor babies. Hey, you made the accusation. The burden of proof is on you, is it not?

  • The American

    Answering my question with another question is not answering my question, is it?

    I’m going to copy what you just wrote so that you cannot reedit it later on, and so that everyone here can see how disingenuous you really are:

    “I was not defending the concept of anchor babies. I was arguing that you were magnifying the problem beyond the scope of what the problem really was, thus effectively making it your red herring.

    “Listen, you taught in a university. We are two logical and reasonable people, right? Let’s handle this like two adults. You made the accusation that Korean anchor babies were a big problem in California as a way to “distract” from my negative comments on a problematic segment of the expat community.

    “I wonder what the data would say. Is there any published data that backs up your assertion that Korean anchor babies are a big drain on the resources of California? Not an article that merely mentions it’s existence or that anchor babies from poor countries are a drain. We all know that exists. One that quantifiably demonstrates the harm of Korean anchor babies. Hey, you made the accusation. The burden of proof is on you, is it not?”

  • Sumo294

    He is a man–and it is important that women and children understand who men are–the good, the bad and the UGLY. Some time ago–my understanding was that Korean women showed their breasts in public and it was not offensive–but seen as something natural and way things are. Let’s be reasonable–some things are not to our liking–but let us not be quick to make laws like liberals like to do for something that offends ones sensibilities and is not really offensive to moral judgment. Our women by Muslim standards are all dressed immodestly–does it give them the right to impose their cultural worldview upon us?

  • The American

    Oh, and everyone here should note that when Wangkon936 feels that a discussion is not going his way, he will threaten to abuse his privileges as a moderator and compromise a commenter’s identity and personal information. Here’s a direct quote:

    “I could do some due diligence on your education attainment as I have access to you identity beyond your user name. But I won’t do that. There is no need for it. It isn’t germane to the argument at hand. However, if you choose to persist in using ad hominems in your comments towards me, you really leave me no choice. You will also notice that in my discussions with you I am not using any ad hominems.”

    Love the “you really leave me with no choice.” Nice way to shift the responsibility for one’s own transgressions if need be, eh?

    TMH does not seem to be a secure platform. Users beware.

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    Check this out: http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/05/05/state-bill-banning-sale-of-confederate-flag-passes/

    Now they want to ban the Confederate flag from sale in California’s state-owned gift shops because “Its symbolism in history is directly linked to the enslavement, torture and murder of millions of Americans. The state of California should not be in the business of promoting hate toward others.”

    This is a misrepresentation of the Confederate flag, and glosses over that other flag historically associated with the mistreatment of black Americans (and Chinese, while we’re at it), the California state flag. Californians who know their history ought not be so smug (but I’ll not hold my breath on that one).

  • Sumo294

    America’s military budget is little over 5 percent of the budget. Interest payments on national debt is over 8 percent. What part of the military budget would you cut and how exactly would it help America?

  • Sumo294

    I have a better idea–have a little yacht ready and sail out of there because the highways are going to be congested. Have enough food and water for one month and sail to Udo island and rent a room with a peanut farming family and read the newspapers and shake your head with sadness. You can live on peanuts for a year or so.

  • bumfromkorea

    It really sounds like Wangkon’s issue with you as a moderator is the personal attacks (specifically involving him needing remedial English class), rather than you disagreeing with him. Also consider that plenty of people have disagreed with him on subjects far more controversial than this without seeing the Mod card.

  • bumfromkorea

    Anything involving F-35s, apparently…

  • bumfromkorea

    Even without the Sterling thing, they really should change the name. When I hear “Clippers”, I think this:

    http://12hair.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/How-To-Look-For-Quality-Hair-Clippers.jpg

    Even though they meant this:

    http://www.imagekind.com/Clipper-ship-San-Diego-Harbor-by-Heather-Lynn_art?IMID=18453d52-382b-46c7-a686-150a6a67280e

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    The military budget is significantly greater than 5% of the budget. More like 20%. The Department of Veterans Affairs adds about another 5%.

  • The American

    American tax dollars at “work”:

    http://costofwar.com/numbers.html

    Some have estimated the final cost of the Iraq War alone at $6 trillion if you include legacy costs and interest payments:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/14/us-iraq-war-anniversary-idUSBRE92D0PG20130314

    That one’s on Bush, Cheney and Co., who decided to fight two wars at once, one totally unnecessary, while also giving tax cuts at the same time. How many bases and military facilities does the US have around the world? Are they all really necessary?

    In any case, we really dodged a bullet in the case of Syria most recently, which the neocons nearly dragged us into and only failed because of Putin’s last-minute intervention. Let’s hope we keep our wits about us and don’t try to do anything silly in the Ukraine. That’s one conflict that we certainly can’t afford to get involved in.

  • The American

    I note you feel no need to call out your fellow co-ethnic on his distortions of my arguments, ignoring of points and specific questions, irrelevant distractions and other rhetorical chicanery. You lot always fight in packs, don’t you?

  • Sumo294

    Let us say that you are the most talented, most wonderful and most awesome white liberal to ever grace this earth. At best you could likely only trim 20 percent of the US military budget–for a whopping savings of 1 percent of the US budget. Yes–its is obvious–that you are a paramount socialist genius. What exactly do you intend to do with that 1 percent US budget “surplus”? Let us be generous–after all, I am in the presence of genius–say you manage to pare down the military budget by forty percent–now you have 2 percent–double what any other could save America–what exactly would you do with 2 percent of the US budget?

  • bumfromkorea

    I was merely pointing to this:

    Oh, and everyone here should note that when Wangkon936 feels that a discussion is not going his way, he will threaten to abuse his privileges as a moderator and compromise a commenter’s identity and personal information.

    Which is a serious accusation and one I felt was unfair, given what I observed from the discussion.

    You lot always fight in packs, don’t you?

    I’ve said this in the past, but comments like this is why I want to abandon my current sn and change it to something that doesn’t have “Korea” in it. GringoinArizona, maybe. I can’t discuss two things positive about Korea, or agree with anyone who’s even remotely Korean, without being accused of defending the Holy Brothers of the Taeguk Order.

    It’s just fucking exhausting.

  • The American

    I would have never fought the Iraq War in the first place. That’s several trillion dollars in savings right there.

    Next, I wouldn’t be bailing out big banks just because they lost too much money at the casino. That’s another several trillion dollars. Gee, budget deficit nearly halved just like that!

    I could go on, but since you’re the type of person who throws around words like “liberal” and “socialist” as insults and thinks it’s clever, I’d rather have a discussion with someone who actually has a brain.

    You think you know me but you don’t even know yourself. How smart is that?

  • GerryBevers

    The American wrote:

    And, for the record, I don’t consider you a “Korea hater.”

    You have disarmed me. But I will say that to notice a mutation of the blogs over the past few years would require pretty steady reading.

    I guess the point I want to make is that hateful speech may serve to get something out of one’s system, but it does not really change many minds. It seems to be mainly an exercise in writing.

    I live in the United States now, so these days I get riled up by liberal and Democratic commentary, not by Korean. Now it is to the point that no matter what Obama or the Democrats say, I am not likely to believe them because their speech is often so hateful, evasive, and full of lies and half-truths. I have come to realize that when it comes to corruption and politicians telling lies, the US is just as bad, or maybe worse, than Korea. Also, the American media seem to be just as biased as the Korean.

  • The American

    It’s not an “unfair” accusation. He actually did it in this very thread. My jokes about his reading comprehension were just that, jokes, so he needs to lighten up instead of constantly whining like a baby about “ad hominems.” Even better, he could try to argue in intellectual good faith instead of playing dirty whenever he feels like he’s losing a point.

  • Sumo294

    If you take social services specifically earmarked for veterans including pensions then yes, and if you include all legacy costs and bases for individual states and countries then yes. The budget to carry out war–the budget that can be reduced is about 5 percent. The other stuff can’t be touched.

  • Ginger Swinger

    I’d never seen the Klownisms blog before. Cheers for the herds up on that one. His replies to some of the criticisms are painfully true for many issues that we foreigners see daily here. See the quotation below!

    “Okay….

    So let me get this straight. You think that the Korean legal
    authorities, specifically Korean “Intelligence” and cybercrimes should
    make my blog a priority. I mean, because obviously and first of all,
    fuck freedom of speech, am I right? But seriously, rather than doing
    things like bringing safety standards up to early-20th century levels,
    vetting transportation systems and parts providers for things like
    subways and nuclear power plants, rather than ensuring that bare minimum
    building codes are adhered to to prevent roof collapses, rather than
    stem the flow of bribes that guarantee lack standards and near-zero
    prosecution for offenders, rather than trying to stop the rampant child
    sex trafficking, rather than trying to reduce global-high suicide rates,
    rather than getting even one city street free of garbage and food
    remains, rather than trying to reduce TB rates to levels lower than
    impoverished third-world holes, rather than dealing effectively with the
    Norks to ensure the safety of their civilians… the Korean authorities
    should divert manpower, thought and resources to MY BLOG, because there
    is nothing, and I MEAN NOTHING more important than making sure that
    Western pieces of shit (to whom they owe the very fact that they do not
    live in Stalinist prison camps or under Japanese rule today) never, EVER
    reveal that Korea is not a first-world tourist magnet. My meaningless
    commentary on the social failures of a country dripping with social
    failure (the fixing of which is far less a priority than stopping
    AIDS-riddled foreigners from talking about it is) is clearly, obviously
    something that needs looking into. I mean, fuck it, let’s just grind
    the entire government to a halt, petition wordpress through the courts
    to reveal my gmail address to trace back to either the neighbor’s
    unsecured wifi I piggyback on or the local coffee shop, pull CCTV feeds
    and put up posters to find ME… and charge me with… “being an asshole”?

    You sir, are a natural born Klown. That is exactly the kind of
    head-in-sphincter logiK that I talk about here. You should be the head
    of some Klown government office, or a Klown newspaper or principal of a
    public school. Your complete willingness to ignore actual problems to
    focus angrily on annoyances and malcontents is Klown-spiring. Never
    mind that there are no rights being violated here, or laws broken, but
    just the fact that I would dare criticize Kim Jong Eun… oh shit, sorry,
    thought I was in North Korea for a moment… I mean the Klown way of life
    completely justifies violating my rights and breaking laws. Bravo sir,
    bravo. You are a Klown amongst Klowns. A leader of the pig-folk.

    Of that I’m sure…

    As for teaching kids… Even if I were at my most critical in front of
    my students I promise you they would still be far better of than with
    most of the ajosshi scum that work in my school. These Klowns make shit
    up regularly because they have no knowledge. They pollute their
    students in a million different ways, and they lack any ability to be
    self-critical. At least they get from me what a student should always
    get from a teacher – the truth. Besides, if my public school gig was
    cancelled (which they might do as a kontract in this country is more
    valuable as toilet paper than as a legal document), there would be
    plenty of other places more than willing to hire me… I mean sure I have
    experience and I’m pretty good at what I do, but I have a white face,
    and that is 99% of what any prospective Klown employer sees: white, not
    too old, not fat, no weird piercings = hired.. because that is the
    level of respect that Klown schools give to their students. They
    couldn’t give less of a fuck about the quality of education the kids are
    receiving just so long as they are attending and paying tuition or
    afterschool fees. But no, obviously you;re right, I’M the bad guy.
    Klown logiK bests me again.

    The YouTube driving videos… well, that isn’t me in the vids, sorry to
    disappoint, but I have watched them. I can’t say I’m a big fan of the
    profanity in front of the kids… but I’m wondering why THAT was your main
    takeaway from those videos? Klowns are repeatedly trying to kill him
    and his children in the videos and what you focus on are the swear words
    he uses when his life is put at risk by someone the Klown authorities
    couldn’t possibly be bothered to train or clear as a safe driver (too
    busy tracking down expat bloggers no doubt)?

    As for hate, hate is a justifiable and valid human emotion,
    particularly when someone or something is bad and deserves that hate.
    Hate is a derivative of fear. The things that I hate are the things I
    fear will either kill me (horrible drivers, sinking ferries, collapsing
    roofs, unsafe medicines, communicable diseases etc) or ruin me in other
    ways (going deaf, violation of emplyment contracts, rancid filth on
    every sidewalk and every street every single place I go etc).

    But obviously you raging against hateful people is more than a little bit hypocritical, wouldn’t you say?

    I mean, you go out to expat blogs that are angry and venting at the
    multiple violations of human decency that surround them, then you get
    angry and vent at them. So telling my readers to “use the higher
    functions and drop the hate” is disingenuous and lacking (in true Klown
    fashion) any and all self-awareness.

    You are either:

    (a) a Korean gyopo who felt culturally alienated and misplaced while in
    the west and who has returned to Korea with eyes on a fresh,
    non-social-outcast future. That Klowns are impressed by the
    sideshow-like novelty of your time abroad for 5 minutes and that girls
    might actually not look away in disgust the minute you approach has
    encouraged you to become Kaptain Han, Defender of True Korea. You
    either teach English (welcome to the Klub) or work at some relative’s
    kompany getting paid to play smartphone games all day (must be nice).
    You can’t fucking stand that anyone, especially some fucking gojang-ii,
    would ruin this deluded image you’ve painted over the reality before you
    because this place is your last hope….

    (b) a non-Korean Koreaboo kunt. While Klown is a shithole with more
    social holes to patch than a pasta strainer, you don’t feel like the
    complete and utter loser you were back home. To show appreciation for
    this kuntry and its people that are so willing to overlook your glaring
    shortcomings so long as you bow and say something nice about Korea and
    eat their peasant food with a grin, you must attack anyone who might rip
    off the rose-colored glasses. You’ve likely wasted hundreds of hours
    learning Korean to a level where you are basically a party favor, pulled
    out to entertain but never taken seriously. You probably make about
    the same salary I do, but you think you’re special and successful. Some
    curious K-girl let you feel her up one time and now you’ve got it in
    your head that you’re the shit.

    Fuck you.

    If you really love this country, GO FUCKING FIX IT. That you are
    spending your time scrounging the internet, listing off
    Korean-unfriendly blogs on Marmot’s Hole or rokdrop instead of
    identifying and suggesting solutions for problems plaguing Korea proves
    that you do not have any love for this country, you just have a love of
    being a fucking asshole. And I can understand being an asshole. The
    difference between you and me is that I’m not trying to claim to be
    anything else. I’m an asshole, and that’s that. You, on the other
    hand, are a self-deluding, hypocritical asshole who hasn’t yet come to
    terms with your assholery. Come out of the closet asshole. Embrace
    your true self. Stop hiding behind this Defender of the Han bullshit
    and come to terms with the fact that you are hateful fuck and that that
    hate is fueled by fear – fear that someone is going to burst the little
    bubble you have protecting yourself from the reality of Klown.”

    Wow!

  • The American

    Did you read that Reuters article I linked to above?

    “The interest on expenses for the Iraq war could amount to about $4 trillion during that period, the report said.”

    The interest alone is greater than the actual execution of the war. How much of this interest is being paid to US banks? I question their patriotism, and would suggest that they forfeit some of their gross profits in the name of the national good.

  • Sumo294

    The decision to lend that money is under the international security assistance program which was decided by the State Department and shoved into the military budget because it was convenient to do so. Every sort of new program that needs money is under the DOD tag right now–its a game the DOD is playing along with in order to get an increased budget.

  • Sumo294

    Sigh–you are right Brendon Carr–I am too used to fighting nuanced particulars with technocratic liberals from long ago. It is what it is–the military budget with the Department of Veterans Affairs stands at twenty-five percent of the US federal budget. I apologize for misleading the public and I tender my resignation for the scandal. President Ford will now be leading the country.

  • The American

    Gerry, you’re alright in my book. Keep up the good fight.

    As for my interest in these blogs, let’s just say that I have an academic interest in them.

    “By the way, even though you studied in California, I will try not to prejudge you.”

    Lol, you remind me of my grandfather, a Republican bank president in Denver, Colorado who used to introduce me at the country club thusly: “Although my grandson is from Berkeley, he’s promised me that he won’t become a liberal.”

    If he were alive today, this is what I would ask him: “Is there any difference between the Democrats and Republicans at all?”

  • Sumo294

    I would like to apologize to you–The American–my numbers were misleading to the public. I would have to say that your argument has merit and the savings that could be theoretically saved is far more significant then what I argued against.

  • JW

    But he *did* do things that are racist, like discriminate against blacks and hispanics in the residential properties that he owns, which this incident has brought out to light. You might want to argue that that was just a business decision but I think that’s probably the same thing with the NBA’s response. Why would you risk the long term social and therefore business isolation of the clippers when there are plenty of potential owners wanting to buy the team at a hefty premium? Sounds pretty American if you ask me.

  • The American

    “Even if I were at my most critical in front of my students I promise you they would still be far better of than with most of the ajosshi scum that work in my school.”

    Let’s be very clear here: The writer of “The Old Klown and the Sea” doesn’t just hate the captain in the story, who certainly deserves to be pilloried for his cowardice and dereliction of duty, but rather all Korean men as far as I can tell (see above quote). He is merely being opportunistic in targeting this specific individual, who is clearly a stand-in for his more generalized disdain for an entire population. In short, he is a bigot who is shamefully exploiting the Sewol tragedy to satisfy his own personal grudges, resentments and hang-ups.

    How can anyone with such an obvious lack of class presume to offer lectures on manners and proper behavior to others?

  • The American

    No worries. I’d also like to cut off a good portion of the many welfare spongers in the US, and get them off their lazy asses. Immigration to the US should also be scaled down drastically, no matter what the Koch brothers think of the matter. That “liberal” enough for you?

  • http://www.rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    Which “lot” would that be?

  • Aja Aja

    So another diver has died from over-diving, and serving his country. Will he be appreciated and remembered?

    It’s a real crying shame how the Korean media and the public have treated them, throwing stones and verbal abuses at them, with accusations like they are just pretending to dive, and blaming them for not rescuing anybody alive, other then bringing up dead bodies.

    Particularly the media. They have been not been a great example of journalistic integrity, making big deals over someone eating ramen/eggs at this time, making huge issues with what the President is wearing when she went to Jindo thereby disrespecting the victims, delving into details why President’s apologies are not heartfelt sincere, and complaining why the rescuers are trying to take all the credit and trying to make themselves look better by refusing the “diving bell”, etc etc etc. which all whips up the public emotions and finger pointing.

  • The American

    Umm, people overly emotionally invested in a country in which they don’t even live? People whose personal identities are regularly conflated with a national identity that is itself largely imagined and mythicized?

    Why, yes. Those kind of people.

  • rowan

    The banks are owned by people. People who are (or should be at least) paying their share of taxes to fund the ‘national good’. Why should they pay twice? And wouldn’t forcing them to lend at below market rates reduce the number of lenders willing to lend to the US? (which would just mean higher interest rates)

    Your comment once again confirms what i have seen time and time again: It is always very easy to be generous with others’ money.

  • redwhitedude

    It’s the owner that is at fault not the whole organization.

  • redwhitedude

    Give it time and see if that mental association of yours lasts.

  • rowan

    “I would have never fought the Iraq War in the first place. That’s several trillion dollars in savings right there.

    Next,
    I wouldn’t be bailing out big banks just because they lost too much
    money at the casino. That’s another several trillion dollars. Gee,
    budget deficit nearly halved just like that!”

    Totally agree these would be a great start. However if we were able to go back and change what has been done we could fix everything easily. Unfortunately the US is now in financial sh*t up to it’s bottom lip and it is going to be a very long and difficult swim out of it.

  • ChuckRamone

    I was also gonna say there’s a little bit of Patrick Bateman in these angry expat blogs. Extreme megalomania, bigotry, and a sociopathic sense of self-importance.

  • ExpatBateman

    I can’t speak for cmxc but it doesn’t take much to be more highly skilled than the vast majority of the Korean populace. These people just blindly muck their way through everything, hoping something works. We’re here to improve these people’s lives whether they appreciate it or not.

  • ExpatBateman

    Korea desperately needs you and me. These people can’t admit it to themselves. It’s a thankless, even dangerous, job being a foreigner in Korea but somebody’s gotta keep things in order around here.

  • ExpatBateman

    If you want to slap hyperbolic labels, and use highly charged, emotional language to denigrate blogs like ours, you can go ahead. But your PC bullying won’t change facts. Fact: Korea needs us. Fact: Koreans wouldn’t be where they are now if developed countries like Japan and the West didn’t step in from time to time with infusions of money and talent. Fact: We’ve reached a critical mass of Korean ineptitude and now is the time for an outsider to captain the ship. Don’t worry, we’ll hand the controls back over once everything’s in order again and let them take the credit. That’s how generous we are.

  • ExpatBateman

    I didn’t find a single inaccuracy or distortion anywhere in that blog. The blog owner delivers the hard-to-swallow truth about what Korea is really like without apologies, without mincing words.

  • The American

    Nice, Patrick Bateman finally makes an entrance. Have you got a fancy bone-colored name card with Silian Rail lettering? Does it read, “I teach the ABCs in the daytime and slice and dice ajosshis at night – all for the good of the nation, of course”?

  • http://kuiwon.wordpress.com/ Kuiwon

    “Korea desperately needs foreign industrial and skilled talent.”

    Have you taken a look at the demographics of tech companies in the US?

  • Guest

    “it doesn’t take much to be more highly skilled than the vast majority of the Korean populace”

    Spoken like a true English lit graduate, who would be working as a starbucks barista, but for his English teaching position.

  • ExpatBateman

    Unfortunately, I couldn’t find any good card stock in this country, and the closest thing to Silian Rail was some terribly designed hangul typeface (as most or all of them are) that’s used in business settings. I’m gonna go to the post office to pick up a care package. Hopefully my mother sent some American goodies, like moisturizer and shoe polish. I wouldn’t trust any Korean products on my face or clothing. I’m gonna try now to avoid punching out some autistic ajeosshi’s or eating at one of the pig troughs where the locals feed, just try to stay in my mental isolation bubble until I get to my apartment.

  • The American

    So do you like Huey Lewis and the News?

  • Sumo294

    Their testimonies are truthful, but so are the expats who come to work at investment banks, GI’s who live on bases and students who came to learn the language. Their particular tribe consists of teachers living in ROK slums doing their best to make sense of a world that is alien to their upbringing.

  • wangkon936

    Yes… if all of Korea was within a 10 mile radius of Itaewon.

  • ccmontgom

    That is a fair enough response (and I live within that radius). Still, I read expathell because in its thoroughly over-the-top way it does express some realities about the radius you note. Also, I actually enjoy reading the haters…. In the olden days^^ Mr. Wonderful from Daejeon, The Rum Diaries from Daegu, and others. They allowed me to laugh, sometimes, at myself and sometimes at others. Both of them, and expat hell, wrote with a ‘voice’, though, and that is part of what I like(d)….
    The straight complainers? It took a year or two, but now I fully understand the “then why don’t you go home?” question. I mean, really…. some of the negs just seem to be begging you to ask that…
    Sigh.. I should never post here… LOL.. now I’m just gonna get yelled at.^^
    Off to see if expat hell has posted something new…

  • ExpatBateman

    Love Huey Lewis and the News. I’m currently dissecting the latest offering from Drake. I’m pretty behind on the music scene stateside but anything’s better than the K-Pop constantly assaulting my ears over here.

  • wangkon936

    Basically you were trying to defend anchor babies born of South Korean parents, or at least downplay the problem.

    Downplay the problem? Perhaps I’m trying to put it in the correct perspective? Korean birth tourism (the more correct term IMHO) probably constitutes a negligible impact on state and federal budgets. Remember, they are spending money in America to have a baby in the States. They are not the typical migrant south of the border jumping a fence to pop out a baby in some public restroom in San Diego then leaching off California state Medicaid and Welfare. Legally it’s wrong and that’s a different conversation. However, you had focused your complain on mostly issues of budget and finance so that’s the direction of where my response will come.

    In any case, instead of trying to dodge the draft, why don’t South Koreans defend their own country?

    Your question makes no sense. The vast majority of South Koreans do defend their country. Obviously most do, thus Korea is able to field an army of about 600k men per year. Most South Korean men see it as a necessary civic duty although they may not always be eager to part with two years of their young lives to do so. Your statement isn’t logical. You are using one instance of draft dodging (birth tourism) to paint a very big picture and again make hasty generalizations.

    Why should American taxpayers have to subsidize South Korea’s defense?

    Instead of creating more work for myself, I’ll point you to earlier comments were I have addressed that question:

    http://www.rjkoehler.com/2010/02/04/just-your-regular-bring-em-home-now-reminder/#comment-97505893

    http://www.rjkoehler.com/2014/01/15/this-and-that-regarding-usfk-cost-sharing-agreement/#comment-1205320528

  • taylorholtfk395

    sterben.

  • taylorholtfk395

    oh boy..

  • taylorholtfk395

    baiseur.

  • ChuckRamone

    This is actually a pretty dumb argument. You hear it all the time: “hey, why are the cops bothering with people speeding when there are real criminals out there?” So, what the police are supposed to stop doing their jobs and focus only on “real crime”?

  • wangkon936

    Buddy, you need a hug there?

  • sloppycho

    Yes, Yes and Definitely Yes.

    American Psycho is a classic. The book. The film was… entertaining.

  • JW

    Apparently Donald Sterling was a big big fan of Koreans because as tenants Koreans never complained about his buildings and always paid the rent on time. And he was especially fond of hiring Asian girls because they always knew “how to please him”. My my. Last I heard Steve Sailer was a big fan of Koreans too.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2014/05/donald_sterling_koreans_what_the_clippers_owner_s_love_of_korean_americans.html

  • cmxc

    Some advice for you:

    ‘Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt’

    1) “pale faced, liberal arts co-religionists like you” I’m neither pale-faced nor religious. In fact, Korea is the country with one of the world’s largest markets for products promising to “whiten” or make people’s skin more pale-faced. The recent Sewol ferry disaster shows Korea’s freakish religious cults played a part in the deaths of 300 kids.

    I’ve argued that Korea will benefit from opening immigration policies to more highly skilled laborers (especially SE Asian) as well as to more highly skilled managers (who may or may not be Caucasian). If you know anything about Korean attitudes toward foreigners, you already know that Koreans look down upon immigrants from SE Asian nations, even those Indian software engineers and firms that are significantly more advanced that Korea’s own IT industry.

    Korea is its own worst enemy with regard to advancing the overall level of the IT industry in Korea. Why else has Korean software repeatedly failed? Where would Samsung’s smart phone sales be without Android and Google?

    2) “skilled talent of tech companies in the US” has nothing to do with manufacturing cost competitiveness. Manufacturing sectors and tech sectors are distinct.

    3) “US manufacturing competitiveness is higher in part because of a disproportionately Asian skilled talent pool.” Considering that Asians make up less than 6% of the US population, it seems quite a stretch to say that US manufacturing cost competitiveness is due to Asian skills.

    If you wish to credit the US tech boom to Asian skills, again keep in mind how much of that skilled labor pool is contributed by SE Asian nations like India compared to how little contribution comes from nations like South Korea and Japan.

    Contrast the global success at the Board and C-level for managers of Indian ethnicity compared to those of Korean ethnicity (See Microsoft, Arcelor Mittal, Deutsche Bank, Pepsi, etc).

    Now STFU and go back to translating Chinese Confucianism into Korean.

  • http://kuiwon.wordpress.com/ Kuiwon

    1) You didn’t deny that you were a liberal arts graduate with an ostentatious lack of numeracy. Religious cults like the one in this tragedy, which you seem to so lovingly exploit, originated from America.

    As for your points on immigration, I actually agree with you, but you aren’t going to convince anyone with your tone. You’ve lost all trust with anyone with a modicum of reason, including the very people whom you believe you’re helping.

    As for technology, there are various metrics you can use. I’m not going to get into that argument again, because I did the same in an open-threads few months ago.

    2) “Manufacturing sectors and tech sectors are distinct.”

    Here’s how I feel: http://www.collegehumor.com/embed/6961066/how-it-feels-to-be-an-engineer-in-the-corporate-world-sketch

    3) “Considering that Asians make up less than 6% of the US population, it seems quite a stretch to say that US manufacturing cost competitiveness is due to Asian skills.”

    This statement is also emblematic of your lack of numeracy. I am from an engineering background. I can tell you Asians (that includes SE Asians) make up a lot more than 6% in such fields. Roughly more than 15% of Engineering graduates are Asian: http://www.asee.org/papers-and-publications/publications/college-profiles/2011-profile-engineering-statistics.pdf . If you look at the demographics STEM programs at high-ranking schools, it gets even more disproportionately Asian. I also said “in part.”

    “Now STFU and go back to translating Chinese Confucianism into Korean.”

    I do that as a hobby. My main job is in one of those skilled fields that you so adore. Thanks.

  • http://kuiwon.wordpress.com/ Kuiwon

    No one in the West believed in flat earth 10 centuries ago. It’s largely an urban myth. Although there were other crazy theories, the knowledge that the earth was round was widespread by the 1st century AD.

  • sloppycho

    The Guardian has a silly list of the Top 25 cities in the world. Guess where Seoul ended up… and who was left off

    3 London
    Terrible weather, apparently. But London gets absolutely top marks for pretty much everything else, from transport to attractions to shopping to tourism – though the 2011 riots may have hurt it slightly on the crime-perception front

    2 New York City
    Very similar in brand profile to London, New York’s transit system doesn’t have quite the same reputation for brilliance as the tube, but the weather’s better, and perhaps we shouldn’t be surprised that the New York brand slightly edges London when considered on a global scale

    I get the feeling the captions were written by a 20yr old unpaid British intern.

    Would never use the word ‘Reputation for Brilliance’ and ‘Tube’ in the same sentence. Ever.

    Old. Dirty. Cramped. Falling Apart. Expensive Yes. Brilliant? Nope.

  • sloppycho
  • wangkon936

    And the hateful expats’ heads explode.

    Los Angeles is #1, woo hoo!

    http://gifs.gifbin.com/1238157980_scanners_-_head_explosion.gif

  • dlbarch

    Well, with this thread now at 258 comments, this will almost certainly get lost in the shuffle, but for those of us who don’t want to see Chong Mong-joon as Korea’s next president, this news is good news, since if Chong can’t get to City Hall, there’s no way he’s gonna be president any time soon.

    http://news.donga.com/Main/3/all/20140506/63287130/1#

    Sweet justice, baby.

    DLB

  • sloppycho

    Los Angeles is #1, woo hoo!

    One of the reasons why this list is silly.

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  • wangkon936

    Nonsense. LA is awesome. Stay here for a few months and see if you want to go back to where you came from. We have a ridiculous number of transplants here who came here for school, business, social, etc. and decided with their feet to never return to where they originally came from.

  • Aja Aja

    Do you expect any better? To them, they’re all the same anyway, so who cares?

  • Sumo294

    He will eventually make it–the guy is not known for quitting–no one in that family for that matter ever quits. I am glad he had a setback–it will mature him.

  • Aja Aja

    Well he’s not going to win. He’s so far off in the polls after the ferry fiasco. All the ruling party candidates in the local elections are severely and mortally wounded. Once the huge candle light vigil protests get underway (they started, on May 3, but the real big ones are yet to kick off) all over the country calling for removal of PGH, he (and others) in the ruling party won’t have a prayer.

  • GerryBevers

    Was “The American” banned for some reason? I notice that his posts have been deleted. Com’on, guys. Did he really deserve that?

    By the way, is anyone here interested in learning to read hanmun (漢文 – 한문)? I hope to be self-publishing a book in the next few weeks that teaches hanmun to English-speaking students of the Korean Language. It is written in such a way that I think people will be surprised at how easy hanmun is to learn. Yeah, most of you have probably heard that before, right? Anyway, the book only assumes that you can read the hangeul pronunciations and that you know the basics of writing Chinese characters. For example, if you can write fifty characters, then you can easily learn to write 1000 characters and more.

    If you are studying Korean, learning Chinese characters will only enhance your understanding of the language, but the best way to learn Chinese characters is by learning to read and write them in sentences, which is what hanmun is.

    Think about it. What has Bevers been doing over the past couple of years, besides sulking? I will let you know more about the book when it is ready.

  • wangkon936

    It wasn’t me…

  • GerryBevers

    Maybe he just decided to move on and deleted his posts before he left.

  • bigmamat

    I understand but I have no desire to get into a science versus religion debate. I was just thinking that most people here realized there is no evidence of anyone actually “returning from death”.

  • wangkon936

    I dunno…. I’m guessing he “offed” himself. His personality did seem a bit unstable, at least to me it did.

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  • redwhitedude

    Brilliant? Yes. According to NY. They know people over there are too dependant on the subway. Why not fleece people when NY knows people can’t do without the subway. Everything else(cramped,falling apart and so forth) is part of the fleecing deal.

  • redwhitedude

    Seeing that his gf/mistress looks like she is part asian, perhaps he has a fetish for asians.

  • deanrd80

    From the context, it’s clear that “klown” is a general racial epithet or pejorative. From the way it’s used, it’s just a way of saying “gook” or “chink” without actually saying those words since they’re not exactly PC and since people don’t want to appear explicitly racist especially when criticizing Koreans of racism.

  • JW

    This is interesting. Bunch of Korean Americans are planning to hold rallies in a few cities spanning the entire country — Wilshire Blvd, Los Angeles being the main location– with their main theme being the incompetence of the PGH government during the Sewol disaster.

    http://news.khan.co.kr/kh_news/khan_art_view.html?artid=201405091118001&code=970201

  • dlbarch
  • wangkon936

    How do we know if Samsung was responsible? Was it a Samsung-Renault car?

  • dlbarch
  • wangkon936

    That might be true, but it won’t slow down the Android juggernaut.

  • cardigan stewz

    What type of coffee are you having?

  • cardigan stewz

    What were you drinking at Starbucks?

  • cardigan stewz

    hurts others? haha!

  • cardigan stewz

    what guys? it’s siimply a picture of a woman’s butt cheeks.

  • cardigan stewz

    The places you’re eluding to are some of the most popular places in all of Korea.

  • cardigan stewz

    You’re every insecure about your status aren’t you?