≡ Menu

Japanese-Americans sue Glendale for comfort women statue

And this morning, I threw up a little bit in my mouth (HT to Stephen):

Now Japanese-American plaintiffs, served by American megafirm Mayer Brown, are pursuing the agenda of reactionary Japanese politicians through despicable litigation.

Glendale, California is a suburb of Los Angeles. I grew up next door and still live there. It’s incredibly diverse with many thriving ethnic communities. In 2013 the City of Glendale erected a modest memorial to the comfort women of World War II in a public park next to the library. Japanese politicians were enraged and have repeatedly demanded that the memorial be removed. The federal lawsuit filed by Mayer Brown seeks to have the memorial removed by force of law.

The plaintiffs in the lawsuit — which I have uploaded here — are Glendale resident Michiko Shiota Gingery, Los Angeles resident Koichi Mera, and GAHT-US Corporation, which says it is in the business of providing “accurate and fact-based educational resources to the public in the U.S., including within California and Glendale, concerning the history of World War II and related events, with an emphasis on Japan’s role.” (MARMOT’S NOTE: Just out of curiosity, is its office next to the German American Bund‘s?) The plaintiffs complain that the presence of the comfort women memorial in Glendale causes them to suffer “feelings of exclusion, discomfort, and anger because of the position espoused by her city of residence through its display and endorsement” of the monument, and that they avoid the park because it shows a “pointed expression of disapproval of Japan and the Japanese people” and diminishes their enjoyment of the park. Though the lawsuit discusses a controversy over what the Empire of Japan did to women in the war, the complaint unsubtly conveys a position: “These women are often referred to as comfort women, a loose translation of the Japanese word for prostitute.”

Read the complain here.

Unsurprisingly, the lawsuit has the support of the Japanese government:

In Tokyo, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga clearly empathized with the lawsuit in a news conference held Feb. 21.

“It is extremely regrettable that the statue was erected,” he said. “Japanese residents in America felt the same way as the Japanese government over the statue and resorted to the lawsuit.”

역시…

Interestingly, one of the plaintiffs is a former professor at USC.

About the author: Just the administrator of this humble blog.

  • Aja Aja

    And they demanded and got the US to apologize for WWII internment.

  • http://kuiwon.wordpress.com/ Kuiwon

    Not to mention Fred Korematsu Day.

  • Cham

    How despicable. You feel isolated? Uncomfortable? Angry? Over a fucking statue in a park?

    The Japanese apologists love to go on about how the Japanese today have nothing to do with the Japanese during the Empire. And for the most part, it’s true. Today’s Japanese people are not the one and the same who were committing atrocity after atrocity.

    But by that very reasoning, why would any Japanese person of 2014 feel any sort of anger, isolation, or discomfort over a statue that highlights the injustices suffered at the hands of the Japanese of the Empire? You aren’t one and the same, remember?

    Is decrying the Empire and its heinous actions now a denunciation of today’s Japanese?

    Jesus Christ. What many Japanese today fail to realize is that the issue is not necessarily that they aren’t saying sorry enough for something they didn’t personally commit.

    It’s that attitudes like wanting to tear down statues remembering human suffering or even denying war time atrocities occurred are so prevalent and accepted that it runs up to the very Prime Minister’s office.

    So yes, the problem actually is with today’s Japanese people. But not because they were the ones committing the atrocities. It’s because at their best, they passively accept a culture of denial and revisionism. At their worst, they are actively supporting it.

    And that’s what the fight is about. To change such a disgusting element of what is actually a rather remarkable and otherwise beautiful culture.

  • pawikirogii

    who is paying the bill for this mega law firm?

  • wangkon936

    Not all Japanese Americans are equal. Those that fought for a formal U.S. apology on WWII internment were the third generation Japanese Americans. Many of those JAs support the Korean American community. Mike Honda, the U.S. Congressman who supported the comfort woman bill, is a third generation Japanese American.

    Most of the Japanese Americans who do not support comfort women are naturalized U.S. citizens.

  • pawikirogii

    never mind. dummy company set up on the 14th.

  • Koguma

    Really….?

  • pawikirogii

    go to time dot com. it’s on their front page.

  • kaizenmx

    Let them sue. Let the world know how much of a butthurt japs really are when it comes to the truth of their atrocities.

  • Koguma

    Thanks for sharing. I took a look there.

  • j95lee

    It’s no secret that Japan is being dishonest about its past. But on the other hand, Japan isn’t a fascist state like Iran that denies the holocaust and poses a threat to world peace. Japan is actually closer to a rogue nation with nuclear ambitions than the U.S. is to any of Its sworn enemies. It goes without saying that the USA and Korean Americans benefit from doing business with Japan, and vice versa.

    I doubt that Japan will actually stop investing in communities like Glendale or NJ. But if they do, a lot of people who have no dog in this fight will be harmed. And Americans already sympathize with victims of any war. But some are also fans of JPN pop culture and know that their own government herded Japanese Americans to concentration camps and nuked two of their cities. It’s tough to take sides, especially for politicians.

    The libertarian in me says local government shouldn’t actively get involved in this kind of dispute or issue, barring clear consensus from both sides. But since statue didn’t raid tax payer’s pocket, is in good taste, and followed protocol, I would oppose removing it on the grounds that it theoretically lead to hurt feelings and exclusion. Although if it was, then the Al Sharpton crowd of the pro statue movement would get a tastes of their own medicine

  • eujin

    So anyone want to offer an opinion whether this lawsuit has any chance at all of success? Infringing the Federal Government’s exclusive power to conduct Foreign Policy sounds like the sort of thing that would appear in quite a lot of lawsuits.

  • DC Musicfreak

    No such thing as bad publicity — in his case for the comfort women cause.

  • DC Musicfreak

    Quite a lot of legal commentary on the blog Robert links to; most seem to think it won’t fly.

  • silver surfer

    Iran is no threat to world peace.

  • yuna_at_marmotshole

    Seriously, I don’t know why this is a surprise.
    They are not doing it because they want it removed. They are generating publicity, good or bad, not taking what they consider Japan-bashing lying down, coming down to meet Koreans at their own level of doing things.
    It should only be a surprise if you genuinely expected Japan to be a some reasonable, saintly, polite, cut-above the rest of Asians. They are not. No surprise.

  • ChuckRamone

    You can say that for sure. Also, if you visit Japan, most Japanese are not the photogenic Japanese from their dramas and other pop culture. They are just average East Asians.

  • Dinosaur

    Anyone else notice that they want the statue to be taken down because it causes feelings of “exclusion” rather than arguing that it never happened. I guess even they realize that they stand virtually no chance of winning if they tried to argue their historical revisionist stance.

    They are going to fail regardless. No court is going to side with them. Their odds of succeeding is the same as a group of German Neo Nazis suing Washington DC because the Holocaust museum causes feelings of exclusion.

  • DC Musicfreak

    There is no way that good publicity for Japan can come of this, outside of the Sankei Shimbun crowd which is the political base these folks are playing to. I’m not fully convinced of the wisdom of Koreans taking their fight to the Asian-American suburbs of big US cities, but they have started a conversation on the WW2 sex slaves that Japan cannot win and would be better off not piling onto. As The Marmot has noted on more than one occasion here, nobody makes their opponents’ case more strongly than Japanese nationalists themselves. If I were a (devious) Japanese and keen on trying to turn the tables against Koreans (or at least poking at their weak spot) on this matter, I’d erect a Monument to “The Unknown Korean Collaborators” with effusive praise for the untold millions who helped the colonial cause. That wouldn’t really change the underlying rights and wrongs of the sex slaves issue, but it would give some folks pause.

  • PortaJohn

    This is all on the KOREANS who brought their home country troubles with them to the US and stirred up the pot. Assholes. THEY should pay. Leave your dirty laundry in east asia!

  • joshuaism

    Japan is actually closer to a rogue nation with nuclear ambitions than the U.S. is to any of Its sworn enemies.

    Ah, so Japan is the “Isreal of the East”, constantly poking a nearby “rogue nation with nuclear ambitions” in the eye and generally pissing off all of its neighbors.

  • ChuckRamone

    The US was involved in WWII – the Pacific theater was one of the bloodiest. The US liberated Japan’s colonies. It’s not a home issue. It’s an international issue.

  • que337

    And Japan happened to be the first payer of $550 M for Iran crude oil in spite of international sanction:

    http://japandailypress.com/japan-pays-for-irans-oil-despite-international-sanctions-0643749/

  • wangkon936

    There is a way they could not “feel exclusion.” They could ask the Japanese government to make proper amends.

  • bumfromkorea

    From what I’ve been reading, it sounds like the Black Van freaks just got themselves a proxy rather than anything from the 1st generation Japanese Americans themselves.

    https://randazza.wordpress.com/2014/02/25/mayer-brown-shame-on-you/

    You know something’s not right when you find a 14-day old organization filing a suit with the assistance from a huge, expensive law firm over a politically charged issue. :D

  • Aja Aja

    They all seem pretty pissed off at Japan right now. Very few outsiders subscribe to Japanese revisionism other than the Japanese and the hardcore Japonophiles. This only strengthens Korean position.

  • djson1

    Actually, all this publicity is bringing so much more attention to the whole issue of comfort women…AND more attention to the statue/memorial. If the protesters, would have ignored it, I bet the memorial would have just sat quietly in that park without much attention at all. People don’t always read those statues that are placed in parks.

  • djson1

    Even more interesting, read some of the comments below that article. Some of the Japanese-written comments are so far-reaching that it’s funny: http://world.time.com/2014/02/25/japan-comfort-women-memorials/

  • DC Musicfreak

    That was brilliant.

  • PortaJohn

    Bullshit. It’s a Korean issue. involving only one other country –Japan. And with the never-ending hysteria and irrationality that Korea displays toward Japan, you can bank on there never being action from Japan that will satisfy Koreans. Bottom line, Koreans are importing this dirty laundry into the US, they stirred up the pot, and now taxpayers in MY country are risking have to pay up for it.

  • ChuckRamone

    So, the US didn’t fight Japan in WWII? You sound like a crazy old man raving about the kids on your lawn.

  • PortaJohn

    … I mean, look at it this way: Koreans knew the thing would be hugely controversial. And being impossible to please visa vis the Japanese, I’m convinced the main idea was not for the comfort women to get more benefit, but to maximize Japan’s humiliation. Dutch women were comfort women too. Look at the difference. In a mature , sane country like the Netherlands, it’s ancient history. But the Koreans (for whom holding a grudge is truly an art form) will NEVER let go. How’d it be if the Dutch women went to, say, Chengdu, China and built a memorial to Dutch comfort women? Would you call that rational? Appropriate?

  • PortaJohn

    You really owe it to yourself to study up on how brutally complicit Koreans were in the comfort women affair.

  • PortaJohn
  • PortaJohn

    ….and now, let the 1000 commenters who’ll tell me how this was insincere come rushing to the fore.

  • PortaJohn

    …as the US should have. At least that was an American issue.

  • pawikirogii

    yawn

  • pawikirogii

    you’re welcome.

  • bumfromkorea

    Taxpayers in your country? I thought the statue was being paid for by the US taxpayers, not Japan.

  • ChuckRamone

    I have read up on how Koreans were forcefully recruited to fight in the Japanese Imperial Army, even pilot kamikaze airplanes.

  • ChuckRamone
  • PortaJohn

    C’mon, pawi… I need the laugh. Tell me how insincere it was! Please? You hopeless tool.

  • PortaJohn

    Glendale. The city of Glendale is being sued.

  • PortaJohn

    So I guess she should go to Russia and put up a statue, eh?

  • PortaJohn

    Don’t be obtuse. Look up how Koreans sold their daughters.

  • que337
  • j95lee

    I don’t know if you’re trying to trash Israel or trying to suggest Japan somehow provoke NK to conduct missile tests over their seas. Or kidnap their fisherman.

    It doesn’t make sense either way.

  • j95lee

    And what is proper “amends”, exactly?

    Reparations (which Japan has made to some of the WW2 victims) might become a slippery slope, and both sides will disagree on the amount. It would help if Japan did something about the Yasukuni shrine and taught proper history in their schools. But will Koreans accept the gesture and move on?

    Koreans are fixated on perceived slights and historical injustices, even if their version of the event is shown to be embellished or incorrect. They’re not likely to let go. They’re right about the comfort women, but I wonder if it’s incidental in their efforts to keep the statue. I would guess that it’s as much about sticking it to Japan as it is about honoring the memories of comfort women.

    As a Korean, I should be naturally sympathetic to this kind of cause. But having seen how they undermine their own cause with outlandish behavior and casual racism, I’m a bit jaded. You ain’t gonna change people’s minds by acting unilaterally or throwing garbage at buildings.

    Sadly, “X makes me feel marginalized and excluded” is a surprisingly effective conversation starter in the U.S. If a hack student organization complains that they feel “excluded” because a building is painted too white, the admin may actually call for a meeting. No matter what happens to the statue, the controversy will be teachable moment for someone involved.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    He probably meant the Chinese.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Nothing at all wrong with maximizing Japan’s humiliation.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    By Koreans? If your beef is over the costs to tax payers, then it is with the Japanese not with the Koreans. Who initiated the lawsuit?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    An apology taken back is an apology never made. PortaJohn can go back to his PortaPotty out of which he obviously crawled out.

  • Arghaeri

    .

  • Arghaeri

    Awe come on the Japanese were only trying to liberate a US colony. Why are you painting it so bad.

  • Guest

    Or just say “FUCK YOU”, which is so much easier.

  • Rat Boy

    How callous can you get?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Do you think this is unique to Koreans? Let me ask you this, how do you feel about Holocaust memorials in the United States or Canada? How do you feel about the Killing Fields Memorial in Chicago? How do you feel about the Katyn Memorial in Toronto?

  • fawefewafaw

    Isn’t the internet great. It allows shitheads like yourself to say shit that would, in real life

    get your head cracked open.

    Hopefully you’ll suffer the same fate fucking cunt.

    Please turn to the loaded gun in your drawer, put it in your mouth, and pull the trigger,

    blowing your brains out. You’ll be doing the whole world a favor. Shitbag.

    I would love to smash your face in until it no longer resembled anything human, faggot.

    Die painfully okay? Prefearbly by getting crushed to death in a

    garbage compactor, by getting your face cut to ribbons with a

    pocketknife, your head cracked open with a baseball bat, your stomach

    sliced open and your entrails spilled out, and your eyeballs ripped

    out of their sockets. Fucking bitch

    I would love to kick you hard in the face, breaking it. Then I’d cut

    your stomach open with a chainsaw, exposing your intestines. Then I’d

    cut your windpipe in two with a boxcutter.

    Hopefully you’ll get what’s coming to you. Fucking bitch

    I really hope that you get curb-stomped. It’d be hilarious to see you

    begging for help, and then someone stomps on the back of your head,

    leaving you to die in horrible, agonizing pain. Faggot

    Shut the fuck up f aggot, before you get your face bashed in and cut

    to ribbons, and your throat slit.

    You’re dead if I ever meet you in real life, f ucker. I’ll f ucking

    kill you.

    I would love to f ucking send your f ucking useless ass to the

    hospital in intensive care, fighting for your worthless life.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzxGOFye7Hs&feature=related

    I wish you a truly painful, bloody, gory, and agonizing death, cunt….

  • fawefewafaw

    Isn’t the internet great. It allows shitheads like yourself to say shit that would, in real life

    get your head cracked open.

    Hopefully you’ll suffer the same fate fucking cunt.

    Please turn to the loaded gun in your drawer, put it in your mouth, and pull the trigger,

    blowing your brains out. You’ll be doing the whole world a favor. Shitbag.

    I would love to smash your face in until it no longer resembled anything human, faggot.

    Die painfully okay? Prefearbly by getting crushed to death in a

    garbage compactor, by getting your face cut to ribbons with a

    pocketknife, your head cracked open with a baseball bat, your stomach

    sliced open and your entrails spilled out, and your eyeballs ripped

    out of their sockets. Fucking bitch

    I would love to kick you hard in the face, breaking it. Then I’d cut

    your stomach open with a chainsaw, exposing your intestines. Then I’d

    cut your windpipe in two with a boxcutter.

    Hopefully you’ll get what’s coming to you. Fucking bitch

    I really hope that you get curb-stomped. It’d be hilarious to see you

    begging for help, and then someone stomps on the back of your head,

    leaving you to die in horrible, agonizing pain. Faggot

    Shut the fuck up f aggot, before you get your face bashed in and cut

    to ribbons, and your throat slit.

    You’re dead if I ever meet you in real life, f ucker. I’ll f ucking

    kill you.

    I would love to f ucking send your f ucking useless ass to the

    hospital in intensive care, fighting for your worthless life.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzxGOFye7Hs&feature=related

    I wish you a truly painful, bloody, gory, and agonizing death, cunt

  • wangkon936

    “And what is proper “amends”, exactly?”

    I’ve addressed that question several times in detail. Too tired to look them up. If I find them in my casual finds one of these days, I’ll update this comment section.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    You are too stupid to even know whom to be angry with and are blaming the party that isn’t even a defendant for the actions of the plaintiffs who are launching a frivolous suit that is destined to fail but which will cost tax payers thousands upon thousand of dollars and tie up the courts which could be doing something productive. Being this stupid, dense and generally such a waste of carbon would be a hard thing on anyone except that you, because you are are too oblivious, obtuse, dense and slow on the uptake, simply skate through life without noticing that people regard you with the utmost of contempt and ridicule.

    Again, for you, THE JAPANESE ARE SUING THE CITY BECAUSE THEIR FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELINGS ARE HURT. I say deport the bastards back to Japan.

  • pawikirogii

    hey, i get it, portajohn! they were lying whores. They wanted to be prostitutes and their daddies sold them anyway. i get it. they were well treated and well paid and their saying otherwise is just a fabrication. i understand. and japan didn’t use forced labor. those laborers who say otherwise were paid and treated well. the was no rape of nanjing and unit 731 was just part of ‘normal war’. i get it, porta. i get it.

  • ChuckRamone

    Yeah, because the US didn’t fight the Japanese in WWII.

  • ChuckRamone

    That’s up to her. You know there’s even a Holocaust museum in Korea?

  • I AM IN ODE

    The plaque should be removed.

  • feaw952fiewifeafwe

    fuck off cunt, before you end up dismembered and decapitated.

  • I AM IN ODE

    another internet tough guy

  • redwhitedude

    Having read the complaint. I’d say this has practically no chance for success. Because if putting a monument like this constitutes the city getting involved in foreign affairs then what about all the holocaust memorials across the US? They would be infringing upon the foreign affairs of the US government as well. I’d say that the person was sympathetic to the Japanese right which denies this that she put this forth.

  • PortaJohn

    I never said they wanted to be prostitutes. I never said japan didn’t use forced labor. I LIVED in Nanjing for a year, tool, so I know what happened there. Try to stay on topic.
    Koreans. Were. Complicit. In. The. Mierable Saga. Of. The. Comfort. Women.

  • PortaJohn

    except not

  • kkachi

    “These women are often referred to as comfort women, a loose translation of the Japanese word for prostitute.”

    This is interesting in that it was the name the Japanese themselves used. It’s not like the Korean women decided to call themselves that.

    (It also brings up the fact that the first comfort women were Japanese prostitutes until someone decided that unmarried Korean women were cleaner.)

  • pawikirogii

    well, i did say their daddies sold them, didn’t i? a tool? you korean or japanese? i need you to keep talking so that the truth can be told. tool, indeed.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Is this the answer you can muster? Thats it!? After all that talking you come back with a pathetic whimper? We need to add spineless to the list of invectives that I threw at you, PortaPotty.

  • eujin

    You really ought to have a link handy and post it as often as possible.

    As one of the recurring issues is “what are proper amends” it would be helpful to get the word out.

  • eujin

    The German and Austrian governments don’t “dispute” the interpretation of the Holocaust and I doubt even the Iranians care that much. In this case the statue bears a striking resemblance to the one directly opposite the Japanese embassy in Seoul, which one could certainly interpret as trying to make a point to the Japanese government. I agree that the lawsuit has little chance, but there does seem to be an issue whether the statue’s main purpose is to commemorate the suffering of the victims or to ruffle the feathers of a foreign government.

  • redwhitedude

    The Japanese government has been refusing to acknowledge the issue so it gets singled out for an apology. If the German government had refused to acknowledge the Holocaust I’m sure jews would have been demanding for an apology too. If that is ruffling feathers I guess so. But it isn’t like these people are doing it just to pick on the Japanese government. It does highlight the Japanese government’s refusal to acknowledge the atrocity. If that is ruffling feathers then I guess so but for good reason.

  • ChuckRamone

    You could also say their fervent protests have as much to do with denial of history as decrying the statue’s slanderous intent.

  • ChuckRamone

    Some of them were complicit. Some French were complicit in the German occupation of France. So fucking what?

  • redwhitedude

    Just to make things interesting.
    I obviously do not subscribe to the views of this individual.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_1XI9mnXoI

  • redwhitedude

    Or they needed more women.

  • PortaJohn

    That’s what I’m saying, with more vitriol. This is infantile mud-throwing under the guise of defending women who were victimized. Koreans, complicit in the original affair to a sickening degree, are now trodding of the backs of the comfort women to find one more way to throw mud in the face of the Japanese gov’t. They are shameless and despicable, and , after Japanese apologies going back to at least 93, have no leg to stand on.

  • PortaJohn

    So the French, rocket cadet, are not coming to Glendale and building statues that result in a dustup that results in American taxpayers taking it on the chin! Sigh.

  • wangkon936

    The Glendale statue (and maintenance) was paid for with private money.

  • ChuckRamone

    The European Jews, including French ones, have. There are Holocaust museums all over the world, including in Korea. Keep reaching.

  • ChuckRamone

    Why does it matter what the motive is? Why are the Japanese so adamant about trying to sweep all this under the rug? I don’t see Germans protesting Holocaust museums, which exist all over the world. If the Koreans are doing this purely to be slanderous, the Japanese are resisting it because they’re in denial. It’s a two-way street buddy. Learn to see both sides of the story.

  • wangkon936

    Whoa, whoa, easy there. Be careful with those questions. You might trigger PortaJohn’s long dormant critical thinking brain regions. We certainly can’t have that now, can we?

  • PortaJohn

    Comparing the Holocaust to the comfort women story is like comparing ’5,000 years of civilization’ to the achievements of western civilization.

  • PortaJohn

    So.. you HAVEN’T read Koizumi’s apology , eh?

  • redwhitedude

    Why? Is it backed up with a resolution passed by the Diet? Just like the US apologized to the Japanese Americans for their internment and compensated by an act of US congress? Talking of which has Japan even apologized for the Bataan deathmarch to the US?

  • tinyflowers

    Japan doesn’t apologize. Most Japanese have never heard of the Bataan death march. Why apologize for something that never happened?

  • redwhitedude

    Of course they haven’t heard about it if they are taught that Japan was a victim in WWII. You’ve got Japanese tourist visiting Pearl harbor thinking like that and the americans are taken aback by their views.

  • eujin

    Why does it matter what the motive is?

    The only reason why it matter what the motive is, if the court is convinced that the City of Glendale’s motive was to pressurize the Japanese Government into providing compensation to the Comfort Women, then they may have infringed on the Federal Government’s exclusive right to conduct foreign policy. If they got one of the folks who paid for the monument to testify that “you’re damn right the point was to send a loud and clear message to Abe and friends” then it might just get interesting.

  • wangkon936

    Here’s something a little more detailed I wrote earlier that addresses your question:

    “Japanese “apologies” have been deemed insufficient because they have tended to be personal apologies made by Prime Ministers and other law makers instead of binding apologies hard coded into Japanese law via act of their parliament. This is what Germany did when they made their apologies to their European neighbors, they hard coded these apologies into their laws through acts from their Bundestag. Thus, it is in many cases illegal to deny German wartime atrocities in Germany. There is no such comparable laws in Japan. Thus, the sincerity and seriousness of Japanese apologies vary from administration to administration because there are no acts of parliament to make any of their apologies binding. This has the effect of creating further alienation with their Chinese and Korean neighbors. These neighbors are left wondering just exactly what the Japanese are apologizing for because Japanese apologies are extremely vauge and generally do not admit to any moral failings or wrong doings. Quite to the contrary, more recent Japanese apologies always add the caveat of “… we apologize for what we did during WWII but the circumstances forced us to do it in that manner…” etc. Because the Japanese lawmakers have not allowed their neighbors to reach some sort of closure, unlike Germany and Europe, Chinese and Koreans are forced to look at alternatives. Educating foreign countries of what they suffered during WWII at the hands of the Japanese have been one way of them to find closure in light of Japanese apathy to their historical and moral responsibilities.”

  • wangkon936
  • fewaifewaiefiwaf

    I’d gladly rip your jugular vein out, let you spurt blood like a geyser, and watch you die in agony……

  • fewaifewaiefiwaf

    I’d gladly rip your jugular vein out, let you spurt blood like a geyser, and watch you die in agony…

  • fewaifewaiefiwaf

    I’d gladly rip your jugular vein out, let you spurt blood like a geyser, and watch you die in agony

  • I AM IN ODE

    fuck. off.

  • Haengja Ko

    Do you know who actually own comfort stations? Who did kidnap Korean girls? Who did sell their own daughters to Korean pimps? The truth is…WE KOREAN sold our own daughters to KOREAN pimps…This is the truth.

  • JinJoo

    행자???? Sounds like a name from 1900…. You are not a Korean. Koreans don’t sell their children.

  • Haengja Ko

    Yes I am a Korean. You should read their testimonies. Why you are so ignorant?

  • JinJoo

    OK, provide those testimonies. Let’s see if they are real….

  • Haengja Ko

    Read the following book and you will see their testimonies. I wonder why you never know we KOREAN were committed to human trafficking in those days…You must study more.

    The Comfort Women: Sexual Violence and Postcolonial Memory in Korea and Japan – C. Sarah Soh

  • JinJoo

    Extracted from:

    http://www.sfsu.edu/news/2009/spring/26.html

    “diversity of the women’s experiences….”

    “Some women left Korea to escape domestic violence, poverty or arranged marriage. Some were consenting
    prostitutes who received payment; others had no choice and were forced into sexual slavery….”

    => I am aware that their experience was far from uniform…

    “Soh also highlights how nationalism shapes the way the tragedy is remembered. “Korea’s outcry over the use of
    comfort women is a nationalistic uproar,” Soh said. “Korea
    doesn’t show the same concern for human rights abuses against women within its borders today.”

    => I agree. Leftwing group use the issue to create anti- Japanese sentiment, not because they are really concerned for human rights abuses against women….

    But where does it say anything about parents selling their daughters…(Did you read the whole book?)

    I don’t deny there are some beasts in Korea too, but if you are a Korean, you just should know Korean parents would never sacrifice their own flesh and blood…In old days (pre 1900), some poor parents sent (NOT SOLD) their daughters to 기생관 Gi-Seng House hoping at least their daughters won’t starve there…

  • JinJoo

    Extracted fromhttp://www.sfsu.edu/news/2009/spring/26.html

    ‘diversity of the women’s experiences…’

    Some women left Korea to escape domestic violence, poverty or arranged marriage. Some were consenting
    prostitutes who received payment; others had no choice and were forced into sexual slavery

    => I know that their experience was far from uniform….. And there could have been some who willingly became prostitutes (without letting their families know) to help their families… and some who were already prostitutes…

    “Soh also highlights how nationalism shapes the way the tragedy is remembered. “Korea’s outcry over the use of
    comfort women is a nationalistic uproar,” Soh said. “Korea
    doesn’t show the same concern for human rights abuses against women within its borders today.”

    => I agree. Leftwing group use the issue to create anti- Japanese sentiment. Not because they are really concerned for human rights abuses against women….

    And the REAL VICTIMS never wanted to be used by these group.

    There are some beasts in Korea too..but if you are a Korean, you just should know that Korean parents would
    never sacrifice their own flesh and blood…the whole family would rather suffer together…. In old days (pre 1990), some
    poor parents sent (NOT SOLD) their daughters to 기생관 Kiseng House hoping, at least, their daughters won’t starve there….

  • JinJoo

    “…we KOREAN …”

    You are not a Korean.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    I have taken an interest in the comfort women/sexual slaves and have tried to (reasonably) find out as much as I can, my time permitting.

    Dr. Soh appears to be a legitimate academic and is likely Korean. She received her B.A. from Sogang University in Seoul, so that diminishes the Japanese shill argument. In her prologue she specifically admonishes rightists and militant Japanese nationalists not to take her work out of context.

    Dr Soh wrote the following in the prologue to her book:

    “I challenge the categorical portrayal of Korean comfort women as solely victims of the Japanese military and colonialism….”

    (I would excerpt more, but I can’t cut and paste. I am dubious that anyone reads my posts anyway.)

    In her prologue, Dr. Soh takes to task Koreans’ complicity in running a post-war comfort women system and present day Koreans for their culpability in human trafficking.

  • Haengja Ko

    There are many testimonies in the book and this book is a must read. Here is the link of the preview.
    http://books.google.co.jp/books?id=GIHcaFVxXf0C&lpg=PP1&dq=The%20Comfort%20Women%3A%20Sexual%20Violence%20and%20Postcolonial%20Memory%20in%20Korea%20and%20Japan&hl=ja&pg=PA12#v=onepage&q=The%20Comfort%20Women:%20Sexual%20Violence%20and%20Postcolonial%20Memory%20in%20Korea%20and%20Japan&f=false

    You might want to read the Ch.2, “Korean Survivors’ Testimonial Narratives.” Kim Hak-sun is one of the example mistreated by her biological mother, page 91.

  • Haengja Ko

    I am a Korean blood from Jeju Island. Actually, I don’t care if you don’t believe it.

  • eujin

    “There are many testimonies in the book and this is a must-read-book. Here is the link of the preview.
    http://books.google.co.jp/book…”

    For those of you outside of Japan who would like to read the book, it is available on other Google books servers, like this one if you happen to be a KOREAN in Korea:
    http://books.google.co.kr/books?id=GIHcaFVxXf0C&printsec=frontcover&hl=ko#v=onepage&q&f=false

  • Haengja Ko

    I am the third generation of Korean who live in Japan, but does it make any differences?

  • wangkon936

    Daughter selling in Asia by families in that time frame was not an uncommon practice, be it Korea, China or Japan.

    I believe the comfort woman “industry” was diverse because it was vast. There were probably Korean brokers/contractors just as there were Japanese and Chinese broker/contractors. The Japanese government had to get a lot of women out to the distant fronts as fast as possible, so they used persuasion, coercion and brute force to fill the need (i.e. kidnapping, conscription, etc.). The Japanese originally tried to private contractor approach and even tried to fill the need with willing Japanese women. However, there were never enough willing women to fill the need, so the private contractor part of the Japanese brothel system was never very big.

    To fill the brothel needs of 6 million Japanese men under arms they had to “conscript” women from all over their far flung empire (i.e. Chinese, Filipina, Dutch, Indonesian, Koreans, etc.). Conscription was used in conjunction with private contractors, but like the army itself, conscription was the much larger part of the balance.

    Japanese apologists on the comfort women take a much smaller fact of the issue and blow it all out of proportion to the actual case and create a red herring. In other words, the apologists are twisting the truth to support the greater lie.

  • wangkon936

    Daughter selling, during times of economic hardship, was a common pre-modern Asian (i.e. China, Korea AND Japan) practice.

  • Haengja Ko

    To fill the brothel needs of 6 million Japanese men under arms they had to “conscript” women from all over their far flung empire (i.e. Chinese, Filipina, Dutch, Indonesian, Koreans, etc.).

    6 million Japanese men under arms conscripted women from all over Asia? Don’t make me laugh. Can you provide me with any concrete evidence? Where did you get such a figure? 6 million Japanese men under arms to collect women?

    If you want to convince me, you must show solid documents or proof to support what you are insisting.

    Can you provide me with a list of the Korean victims as well? I need to know the actual number, not estimate. Why don’t you prepare a list of victims based on family register established under Japanese rule.

  • ChuckRamone

    It’s ridiculous when people ask for documentary proof of every single war crime. Do you think Pol Pot kept records of every crime his regime committed? “Oh, there are no exact records? That means it didn’t happen!” This is the reasoning of idiots.

  • Haengja Ko

    If you want to convince people, you must show subjective evidence. Have you got any proof of the 6 million armed Japanese men hunting for Asian girls? Which historian’s thesis? Show me.

  • ChuckRamone

    It’s apparent you don’t quite comprehend all written English. He said supply the needs of those 6 million men, not that all of them were hunting Asian girls. It’s also apparent that Japanese right wing netizens like yourself are comprised mostly of the country’s dregs – descendents of vassals to feudal lords and night soil collectors, bastard children of workers in the water trade. I suppose it’s in your blood to be servile. If your masters tell you to commit mass suicide by jumping off a cliff because the Allied soldiers will eat you, you jump. When your samurai overlords tell you to fight an armed modern military with bamboo sticks and karate, you do it. When you feel like you need to defend their honor online, you do it, like the good little underlings that you are. I respect your devotion only in so far as it’s evidence of your rightful place within that hierarchy.

  • Haengja Ko

    Why you are not able to argue based on the concrete evidence ? What you are saying does not make sense at all. If you want to convince someone, show solid evidence.

  • ChuckRamone

    I already said this above: “It’s ridiculous when people ask for documentary proof of every single
    war crime. Do you think Pol Pot kept records of every crime his regime
    committed? “Oh, there are no exact records? That means it didn’t
    happen!” This is the reasoning of idiots.”

  • ChuckRamone

    I don’t know how many times I’ve posted this for nutjobs like you, but here’s a link to Google Scholar with “Comfort Women” entered in the search field: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=comfort+women&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C33&as_sdtp=

    Is that enough scholarly evidence for you? Why are you unable to perform a simple Internet search yet able to litter the Internet with your endless stunts?

  • Haengja Ko

    I understand that your theory has no evidence at all. What you are insisting is just your belief. We must distinguish between “belief” and “fact” strictly. Can you understand?

  • ChuckRamone

    So, it’s my understanding that nothing bad was ever committed by the Imperial Japanese army because there isn’t a diary entry accompanied by a photo for every rape, killing, medical experiment and act of torture. People just made it up.

  • bumfromkorea

    Save your bandwidth, man. You’re engaging the East Asian equivalent of Holocaust deniers. Don’t talk to them; just ridicule him and let him live in the fantasy world.

  • Haengja Ko

    As I quoted Ms. C. Sarah’s book, “The Comfort Women: Sexual Violence and Postcolonial Memory in Korea and Japan” in the very beginning, I have never denied the existence of comfort women system itself and I also feel sympathy for Korean women who had to be prostitutes against their will. I am pointing out the fact that we KOREAN also committed to human trafficking and kidnapping and sold our own daughters to KOREAN pimps who own their own comfort stations.

  • Haengja Ko

    Just because somebody tells you something and they say it with confidence, just because they say it with lots of detail, just because they express emotion when they say it, it doesn’t mean that it really happened.

    We can’t reliably distinguish true memories from false memories.

    We need independent corroboration.

  • wangkon936

    Oh, brother. Hey, I took care of the myth of the willing Chosen “volunteer.” Can someone else handle this? I’m tired of carrying the load.

  • Haengja Ko

    Why you guys are not able to argue logically based on academic papers or any solid evidence? Very interesting.

  • Haengja Ko

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3R0rRv6v7E&feature=youtu.be&t=46s

    As this video shows, former Korean Presidents have promised not to bring up historical issues against Japan. Why we never keep promises and always create troubles to be a trouble maker in the East Asia.

  • Armchair Asia

    Lawsuit says South Korea and China signed the San Francisco Peace Treaty!! I guess they don’t do much research at that law firm. China did not and there was no South Korea.