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English teacher who made porn video extradited to Korea… might it be Quincy Black?

The Korea Herald is reporting that a 29-year-old American former teacher at an English village in Daejeon has been extradited from—of all places—Armenia to Korea where he is accused of having made a porn film with a teenage girl:

A 29-year-old American accused of having sex with a teenage girl and posting a video of it online was extradited from Armenia to South Korea on Wednesday, the Ministry of Justice said.

The ministry has been tracking down the suspect’s whereabouts since 2010, when he fled to China as the video stirred a firestorm of criticism in the Korean online community.

“The urgency of each case decides how fast the extradition will take place. In this case, it only took three months, whereas it could take up to three years for other cases,” a prosecutor in charge of the case told The Korea Herald.

Let’s see. Age? Check. Place of employment? Check. Public firestorm? Check. Might we be welcoming back Quincy Black?

(HT to Aaron)

UPDATE: Yep, it’s Quincy Black (thanks, TV Chosun!):

And to think people worried about letting the big newspapers have TV stations.

Anyway, according to the article, one of the girls in the video was 15 years old at the time. Which, if true, would explain why the authorities wanted him back.

As the Chosun reports:

Despite committing a sex crime against children, a serious offense, he shot a video of it with a picture openly on the wall with his name written in Korean. (Note to Chosun: I don’t think that’s his real name).

The Chosun also reports:

The video also caused a stir: as it got around, many foreigners posted comments or SNS messages disparaging Korean women, such as “Korean women are easy to meet (i.e., sleep with).”

I can assure you foreigners weren’t the only ones “disparaging Korean women” online as a result of that video.

Interestingly enough, this was the first extradition to Korea since Seoul joined the Council of Europe’s Convention on Extradition in 2011. So mansae, Korean diplomacy!

What I want to know is what the hell Quincy Black was doing in Armenia. I realize the Russians call people from that part of the world “blackasses,” but still, Armenia doesn’t strike me as a place where a guy like him is going to blend in.

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  • redwhitedude

    I hope he gets a heavy sentence. This creep needs to be sentence to wear something that clearly identifying himself as a sex offender wherever he goes.

  • http://www.eslwriting.org/ eslwriter

    Please bring me up to date. What is the crime this person is thought to have committed?

    I know there was a video of a black dude having, what appeared to be (be all accounts) consensual sex with one or two different women.

    But what did he do to warrant extradition, I mean, other than soil the purity of the Han people?

  • wangkon936

    “… other than soil the purity of the Han people?”

    Oh, you are one of those, huh?

  • http://www.eslwriting.org/ eslwriter

    Nope, I’m one of these.

  • Gubook

    As you mention the question at hand here appears to deal with consent. While it is probably true that these individuals consented to sex with the aforementioned extradited individual, the question remains whether they also consented to be filmed/have their likeness sold.

  • wangkon936

    By one of “those” I mean one of the fine people from an anglosphere country drifting around Korea who doesn’t mind making a living off Koreans but uses every anonymous opportunity to viciously judge them whole.

    You’re like a French chef teaching cooking in America who would be exceptionally average in France, but a culinary expert in America. However, you secretly loath those ignorant and ill mannered Amerloques and hate working with them.

    So… you are one of “those.”

  • http://www.eslwriting.org/ eslwriter

    Thanks for that. With a masterful swish of your digital quill you have lumped me into “the group of those,” a nasty group of people who viciously judge the whole.

    I, begin a fan of irony, enjoyed reading your response. But I wonder, don’t you see the double play of your own words?

    Or perhaps, self reflection is not your forte.

  • redwhitedude

    There’s plenty complaints about them.
    http://Koreansentry.com/forum
    The Angry Expat hangout.
    Guaranteed to get bombarded with that as well as overbearing history lessons.

  • wangkon936

    All one has to do is look at your Disqus history to know where you stand.

    http://www.rjkoehler.com/2014/01/16/chinese-tourists-feel-disrespected-in-korea-ye-olde-chosun/#comment-1204125588

    http://www.rjkoehler.com/2014/01/02/random-links-touching-you-always/#comment-1184962987

    Not sure what you mean by “self reflection” or “double play.” I respect the people I live with. My disrespect is directed at my follow countrymen who have a myopic and superior attitude with the country and people they live in/with.

  • wangkon936

    I thought that site was full of overseas Korean whiners? I remember interacting with KoreanSentry on wikipedia a few years ago. He struck me as an angry Korean Australian twenty something who didn’t really have a lot of positive male role models around when he was younger.

  • KRAHN

    If he were Korean, the authorities would have understood his unique situation and let him keep his job.

    성범죄 저지른 교사 146명, 학교 안 떠났다
    http://joongang.joins.com/article/586/13691586.html?ctg=1200

  • redwhitedude

    Brainless bunch they are. As well as hypocrites.
    They pick an article that screams foreign crime and so forth and proceed to scream about it. Heck they live outside of Korea and they are complaining about foreigners being let in. Do you get hypocrisy here by being outside of Korea?

  • wangkon936

    I wouldn’t touch that site with a 10 foot pole. However, when it just got off the ground I was asked by KoreanSentry to be a regular poster. I said NOOOOOOooooooo…

  • redwhitedude

    If you disagree with their views there is a witch hunt against you. Really sad. This website is a site of Korean ultranationalist who complain about anything and everything.

  • http://www.eslwriting.org/ eslwriter

    In addition to myopic and superior, I suppose you might also include words/phrases like critical, different, non conforming, sarcastic, humorous, dialectic, and anything related to independent thought.

    Ah, what a blissful existence that must be, living in a world of Newspeak.

  • SeoulGoodman

    You forgot to quote this:

    “… t’s sad how the public is focused on criticizing and digging
    up personal information of the victimized women,” a blogger on Naver
    portal said.”

    Shameful.

  • http://www.rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    Reading the Chosun Ilbo report, it appears one of the girls may have been 15 at the time, which would constitute good reason for the authorities to want him back.

  • SeoulGoodman

    And you’re clearly on of those, a pathetic American Francophobe.

  • http://www.rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    While I’ve never met eslwriter personally, I do doubt he’s “one of those,” so to speak. In fact, I’d say he’s done more than his fair share of promoting Korea internationally.

  • http://www.rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    1. One of the girls was allegedly 15, so there’s that.

    2. Even if they consented to everything, including the filming and distribution, distribution of said materials is illegal in Korea.

  • http://www.eslwriting.org/ eslwriter

    Thanks for that Robert.

    What I find puzzling is this: with all the – dare I say – serious problems in this country (finances, energy supply, unemployment, bank security …..) the severity of the so far unknown alleged crime doesn’t seem to justify an international man hunt.

    Unless of course, there are other motivations at play.

    As an aside: it just an urban myth that the age of sexual consent is 15 in Korea?

  • http://www.eslwriting.org/ eslwriter

    Thanks for that.
    Let’s keep that our little secret, though.

  • http://www.eslwriting.org/ eslwriter

    Mais oui.

  • redwhitedude

    There is certain country just east of Korea that child porn isn’t fully banned.

    Truly disgusting act.

    This guy is in the crowd of “whatever I do here stays here”.
    All round jerk. Just use another country to do whatever criminal act he feels like doing with the understand that my folks in the US will not know.

  • RElgin

    . . . according to the article, one of the girls in the video was 15 years old at the time. Which, if true, would explain why the authorities wanted him back.

    I don’t believe this is correct. If my understanding of the age issue is correct, the age of consent for consensual sex is 13, so long as it is not rape. (anyone with better knowledge of this, pipe up).

    They probably want him back for a perceived harm to Korean identity, him having done what he did and for the crime of being black. I imagine someone will come up with a distinction by which he could be prosecuted with. Maybe he could change his Korean name to Lee Myung-Black and escape responsibility for everything.

  • jfpower

    It is 13.

    That does not mean, however, that a 15-year-old can necessarily consent to being involved in pornography. I would highly suspect the law makes a distinction.

  • wangkon936

    Really? What did they say? Inquiring minds wanna know.

  • wangkon936

    Then I extend my apologies.

  • http://www.eslwriting.org/ eslwriter

    No need for that.
    It’s all in good fun.

  • RElgin

    I guess some guys think that the girls might be fun to date, considering all the “digging”.

    That part is really weird and sad.

  • wangkon936

    “the age of consent for consensual sex is 13,”

    Yes, I heard that too. However, perhaps the law is more to the effect of child pornography, not so much sexual consent? I too would like to know which laws Mr. Black had violated.

  • http://www.rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    Producing lewd materials using minors (or anyone who looks like a minor, for that matter) is illegal:

    http://terms.naver.com/entry.nhn?docId=72603&cid=83&categoryId=83

    Look, issues of race aside, it’s not really that hard to understand why the authorities might want to get their hands on a teacher who allegedly made a porn film with a 15-year-old girl.

  • RElgin

    He is probably the mastermind behind the NIS twitter campaign that came out before the last presidential election . . . Lee Myung-Black!

    The 15-year-old girl is only a ploy to distract us.

  • wangkon936

    He could be the Lone Star version of the sexual predatory expat. Him being black and making all kinds of comments that Korean girls are “easy” probably didn’t help his cause and just put a big red target on his back for Korean law enforcement.

    As for the video from TV Chosun, the tone is certainly triumphant.

  • RElgin

    Okay, the film part makes sense, legally.
    He was really dumb to do that, amongst other problems with fooling around with girls he should not have been dealing with.

  • 8675309

    “The age of consent” in Korea means consent to get married…not to be a skank and ho’.

  • Arghaeri

    What has the 15 years old, by itself, got to do with it, age if consent is 13 in SK.

  • Arghaeri

    Korean law does not allow graphic pornography showing real sex period consent or otherwise.

  • Arghaeri

    You only live with foreigners?

  • wangkon936

    Oh, and as the TV Chosun reports, he filmed the porno in a dorm room of the English language school. Geez… that’s bold and stupid.

  • Arghaeri

    Publishing pornography

  • wangkon936

    Is that what the full law says? Makes sense. I got that bit of news from one of those nationalistic Japanese commenters. You never get the full facts from those guys.

  • 8675309

    Age of consent law in Korea is the minimum age to consent to marriage — NOT consent to engage in sex.

  • wangkon936

    No. I live with human beings. Something that many expats seem to forget.

  • 8675309

    “Age of consent law” in Korea refers to minimum age required for consenting to marriage — NOT the minimum age required to engage in sex. Korea is a signatory to anti-trafficking and anti-child porn conventions, which means there is no such thing as “consensual sex” for someone under the age of eighteen, so the issue here is not whether the perp engaged in a consensual activity, but whether the individual in question engaged in the trafficking of child pornography, which makes it a whole ‘nutha ballgame…

  • BSDetector

    Wow, glad you aren’t in involved in actual legislation.

  • 8675309

    Specifically, publishing, producing and trafficking in child pornography, not to mention, exploiting a minor for sexual purposes, ALL of which are a violation not only of Korean laws, but every international agreement and convention Korea is a signatory and party to. The Korean government must extradite and prosecute him not only because they are bound by domestic law, but also by international treaties on child pornography and the exploitation of minors.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Why? Child pornographers need to be castrated. Are you defensive for any particular reason?

  • Eric0912

    Does that mean the girl is wanted too?

  • BSDetector

    Yes because of all the child pornographication I’ve been doing.
    Look you commit a crime and get punished. When you’re finished the punishment you’re done. This BS of registering in a database, handing flyers out to everyone, wearing sandwich boards and etc. is ridiculous. If you want to punish someone permanently there’s something called the death penalty.

  • JustSayin

    Yet, they seem in no rush to track down the Viagra pumped Japanese douche that filmed himself having sex with 30 Korean call girls. I wonder why?

    As the Joker would say, “Korean hooker getting filmed, no body freaks out because it’s all part of the plan, but one 15-year old girl has her holy arirang woori nara vagina tainted by a large black penis, well then EVERYBODY LOSES THEIR MINDS!”

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Your concern for predators is touching

  • BSDetector

    Way to look at the small picture there.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    And the big picture would be ….. ?

  • BSDetector

    Ineffective justice system. I’d be more in favor of your castration penalty, none of that chemical junk either, cut em off and be done with it.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    OK, I agree. I thought you would come here and lament for the human rights of garbage

  • BSDetector

    Nah, I’m just tiring of this half-a**’ed approach to crime.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    A few people here actually have tried defending pedophiles

  • redwhitedude

    Resorting to brutality is even worse way of dealing with crime.

  • redwhitedude

    I haven’t seen you mention on the board but anybody who disagrees with them and defends the US and by extension Japan since it is according to them US laptop is a chinilpa traitor. They liberally use the term chinilpa.

    They complain about the country being trashed by foreign migrants. The government is being too lenient too them. That the supposed “multicultural” policy is taking resources away from poor Koreans. That Jasmine Lee is undermining Korea by advocating “multicutural” policy. She is a liar. The US is the biggest thread along with Japan the lapdog of the US. US divided Korea( this one is true actually). US is preventing Korea from developing ballistic missiles(true). China, US and Japan have vested interest in keeping Korea divided.

  • BSDetector

    It sure is except for that it’s not in any way at all. This lazy bleeding heart method is why you have stats like this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    It’s not about punishment; it’s about protecting others.

  • redwhitedude

    The guy needs to be required to register as sex offender whenever he goes. I hope the family of the girl sues his butt off so that he will be permanently i debt.

  • wangkon936

    “They liberally use the term chinilpa.”

    Chinilpa? Hahaha… cute.

    “They complain about the country being trashed by foreign migrants. “

    Common complaint about migrant workers be it in American, France or Brit.

    “That the supposed “multicultural” policy is taking resources away from poor Koreans.”

    Hahaha… wait till North Korea collapses.

    “US divided Korea( this one is true actually).”

    Debatable. The Russkies were chasing the defeated Japanese Manchukuo Imperial Army into northern Korea. General Rusk had to tell them to stop somewhere.

    “US is preventing Korea from developing ballistic missiles(true).”

    Well, that’s the price you pay for American security guarantees.

    “China, US and Japan have vested interest in keeping Korea divided.”

    Kinda, but one can make the argument that America has the most to gain from a united and pro-U.S. Korea.

    So they didn’t say anything about me? That’s kinda disappointing…. :(

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Removing people who will continue to prey on the defenseless after their “punishment” is just fine with me. Serial killers and pedophiles have no right to exist and are not redeemable.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    The vast majority of the incarceration spike is from the War on Drugs which is a travesty against justice and an engine of revenue growth for the prison-industrial complex; as well as a revenue source for law enFORCEment, by providing them with easy money that they never have to account for. Repealing this sham of a war which only enslaves millions and enriches the few (and this includes the cartels that the DEA works for and runs weapons for). It is an unjust, horrible war.

    What did Orwell say about perpetual wars? That they are waged for the purpose of waging, not to win; that they are a way of shaping and controlling society; that the worst tragedy that can come of them is that they end. Wars on Drugs and Terrorism are so defined as never to be winnable and hence to be fought forever. And as wars continue, more and more liberties are eroded away, all in the name of Winning the Unwinnable War.

    “War is the Health of the State” said Randolph Bourne.

  • redwhitedude

    They forgotten about you I guess since you’ve stayed away from them. On the point of division of Korea. Supposedly the Russians weren’t originally interested in getting involved but the US coaxed them into it. Once they did the US had their “oh shit” moment.

    The ballistic missile ban is also impinging the Korean space program because developing rockets in that also spills over into the military. US supposedly told the Russians not to give the critical knowhow to Korea. Now nobody is saying that South Korea is a rogue state.

    They are calling for US withdrawal and of course they jump at every American GI misdeed that gets reported in the news.

  • redwhitedude

    Being tagged as a sex offender should condemn they guy from getting any decent job and raise questions about his lack of character. That should make hell for him.

  • wangkon936

    “Supposedly the Russians weren’t originally interested in getting involved but the US coaxed them into it. “

    I greatly disagree. I’ll just leave it at that.

  • redwhitedude

    Hence I said “supposedly”. They come up with so much crap.

  • Benjamin Wagner

    If Korea is really serious about punishing the guy (and not out for some symbolic show of sovereignty against the big bad US as I suspect) then it should hand over whatever evidence it has on the accused to US authorities.

    Unlike Korea, the US is serious about prosecuting sex crimes against minors (i.e. under 18, this needs to be explained in Korea where it’s under 13!) even when those crimes are committed abroad. And if the facts in this case are as alleged in the media (always a big if) then the PROTECT Act would likely apply both for the sex acts and for the porno. Moreover, the punishment is severe: up to 30 years in prison. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-108publ21/html/PLAW-108publ21.htm

    When, on the other hand, the Korean courts are left to punish sex crimes against minors — well, read for yourselves:
    http://populargusts.blogspot.com/2009/07/controversial-rulings-in-teen.html
    http://populargusts.blogspot.com/2010/10/koreas-age-of-consent-under-scrutiny.html

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    on top of PHYSICAL castration. I would also make him wear a badge identifying him as a sex predator.

  • BSDetector

    Police protect and enforce, prisons punish, rehabilitate, and deter. In theory anyway, in practice police are forced to surrogate as parents by inept policies and prisions have become a nation within our nation.

  • BSDetector

    Just come out and say it. “I don’t understand how the adult world should work. I prefer to live in a child’s world of simple ignorance.”
    Nevermind don’t say it, I said it for you.

  • BSDetector

    Agreed. I’m not saying the system should be harsher, just smarter. In the case of child exploitation or violent crime the penalty should be top tier as those are pretty worthy of the full and collective wrath of a society.

    I know very well that the real winner of the Iraq War was Kellogg Brown & Root.

    You have to admit that page is filled with face-smacking hard truths, and that was a quick lazy hop onto Wiki-P, I’m sure more indepth reviews are out there.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Read about the private prisons. States are now working as inmate providers to corporations running prisons. There is no incentive on their part to reduce crime rates, only to catch more criminals, and the war on drugs is the prime way to do that, as is the mushrooming of new laws on which to catch even more people to feed into the system. Money from the war, from civil forfeiture related (or not) to the drug war is also a great boon to police budgets, The ridiculousness of it is well captured in how these pigs refer to themselves:

    Law Enforcement. With the emphasis of FORCE.

    Theirs is a job not of preventing crime but of enforcing the law. Lowering crime rates would put a dent in their paychecks, pensions, employment and the pig unions will have none of that. Enforce the laws that the law MAKERS churn out by the thousands each and every year, year after year, and feed more and more chattel through the prisons. Its all about revenue and profit. It has stopped being about protecting and serving.

    Fuck the pigs

  • 8675309

    A quote pulled from a self-serving foreigner blog entry from five years ago that features alleged and equally self-serving quotes from supposed Korea Herald/Times articles (with multiple dead links to them) from 2001 as its only proof? FYI, 13 years in Korea time is like 91 years elsewhere, so whatever decisions were handed down by Korean courts in 2001 — supposing they were true — are guaranteed to have been appealed, changed, altered, revised, stricken and/or quashed multiple times since then. Close, but no cigar!

  • The Real Truth

    Errrr, if in fact ol’ Q Mack Nasty has been dragged back here, there are some important things to consider:

    1. Did he KNOW the girl in the video was 15 (as the police CLAIM she was)?
    2. If in fact she was 15, how did she join the dating website where she hooked up with Q? The dating website requires that members be 18+ to join. If she lied about her age to get on the site, can we not imagine that she may have lied about her age to Q?
    3. The girl in the video in question is very obviously a very, very, very willing participant, who knows she is being filmed. She even holds the camera at one point. Let’s not pretend that she was some poor unwilling participant who was secretly filmed against her will.

    Considering the above, I would say that yes, the lengths to which the K-police went to grab him abroad seem unusual. This is not a case of some poor teenager getting picked up off the street and raped. This is not a case of some poor teenager being seduced and then secretly filmed against her will. She is not some naive never-been-abroad Korean school girl who was duped by a predatory foreigner. She doesn’t even speak with a Korean accent in the videos, which for a while had me convinced that she was just some random gyopo Q hooked up with online.

    Before you vilify this guy, be sure to ask yourself if you (minus the video taping) could have found yourself in a similar situation. Q was in his early 20′s, women here in that age group often look younger than their age. This girl speaks English like a native speaker, so it’s not a question of her not having the vocabulary necessary to correctly express her age to him if she wanted to. She lied on the dating site, stating her age to be at least 18. What reason would Q have to doubt this? From watching the video, it would seem that she enjoyed the encounter even more than he did, so for the time being, I feel sorry for Q (if it is in fact Q being brought back here).

    I wonder if he has access to the legal help that he will need. I wonder if he is going to get railroaded as a child pornographer without being given the benefit of the doubt that he was duped by this (obviously very experienced) girl. The Koreans have dragged him all the way back here. I wonder if he will get any kind of fair trial.

  • pawikirogii

    ’13 years in Korea time is like 91 years elsewhere, so whatever decisions were……’

    actually 867, it would be like 40 years ago. things were similar here to the way the man describes korea today. i wonder if understands that. he also says he hopes the korean man isn’t using this case as some type of proxy against the western man. yet, he uses the very same case as a proxy himself. i wonder if understands that too.

    *****

    expats have a very poor reputation in korea and this thread is a good example of why. no concern for the girl (she said yes!), just concern for a man accused of making pornography with teenagers.

    not everything bad that happens to you in korea is because of a plot.

  • pawikirogii

    i hate posting on mobile!

  • PEIGUY

    Korea is all gungho to extradite him but when it comes to a Korean teacher nothing is done and they send them back to work. http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2983826&cloc=joongangdaily

  • 8675309

    All of your arguments are null and void. He’s being extradited and brought back for indictment in Korea not for having sex with a minor, a.k.a. “statutory rape” in most jurisdictions, but rather for producing and trafficking in kiddie porn. (Korea has become a party and signatory since 2001 to quite a number of international treaties and conventions, including international treaties requiring Korea to actively prosecute those who engage in kiddie porn and the sexual exploitation of minors.)

  • pawikirogii

    here’s a comment from of police officer about the age of consent in the states:

    …The answer to the second part of your question is: maybe. Some states
    only require that both parties be of lawful age. Kentucky is such a
    state. As long as both parties are over 16, consensual sex
    is lawful (unless the law has changed since I moved in 2001). Florida,
    where I spent the last few years of my police career was more strict.
    The lawful age of consent was technically 16, but the other person
    couldn’t be 24 years old or older. It appears from the other answer,
    some states have a different standard, which is not surprising at all……

  • pawikirogii

    atrocious!

  • The Real Truth

    I know this is going to sound strange, but there is a difference between knowingly and unknowingly making “kiddie porn”. I realize that he is a foreigner, so the judge, public, etc won’t understand his “special situation”, but it’s ridiculous for anyone to label this guy as a “kiddie pornographer” because there is an ocean of difference between this guy, and say, some middle aged man who goes to Cambodia to film himself having sex with pre-teens.

    Furthermore, as the girl herself shot part of the video, it would only be fair and just for her to be prosecuted as well. Right? She shot some of the scenes, she knew she was underage, she knowingly contributed to the production of child pornography. Is she currently behind bars? If we are going to nullify all other aspects of this case, then let’s prosecute her as well. If she lied about her age, she’s even MORE responsible than he is, and the situation by which they met suggests that she did in fact lie about her age.

  • WMunny
  • WMunny

    Here’s the 2009 Korea Times article
    Sex With Minor Not Crime If Not Forced

  • pawikirogii

    so if it were your daughter, you’d be ok with it?

  • Benjamin Wagner

    I’m not following the “13 years in Korea time is like 91 years
    elsewhere” reasoning. Are you saying that in South Korea 13 isn’t the age of consent — i.e. the age beneath which even if a girl “consents” it’s still considered rape by statute? Because if that’s what you are saying then you are mistaken.

    If “self-serving foreigner blog[s]” aren’t to be trusted, you could always “Ask a Korean”:
    http://askakorean.blogspot.com/2013/11/age-of-consent-in-korea.html

  • cmxc

    So according to the Joongang Daily newspaper, more than half of Korean teachers convicted of sex related crimes are able to keep their jobs as teachers in Korea. Numerous teachers were accused of molesting students at the schools where they worked, but were still able to continue teaching.

    http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2983826&cloc=joongangdaily|home|newslist1

    What is the Korean media and public reaction? Muted yawns as not a f-ck was given.

    On the other hand, if a foreign English teacher is called out for having too much consensual sex with young adult females, the Korean media circles like starved vultures around a dead carcass, or like flies on sh-t.

    When foreign teachers are accused of even inappropriate “touching” of children (such as hugging a young child), the media throws an absolute hissy fit and the Korean national assembly rushes to pass additional laws requiring strengthened background checks and even greater suspicion toward foreigner English teachers is created.

    The double standard Koreans display with regard to foreign professionals vs Korean nationals is just sickening.

    Let’s be clear here, I am not advocating for foreign teachers to be treated as laxly as Korean teachers. I am calling for Korean teachers to be subject to just as much scrutiny and just as much suspicion, if not more suspicion, than foreign teachers. If Korea truly cares about its children, it should do more to protect them from sexual predators, regardless of nationality.

    The recent scandals as portrayed in Korean film Dogani, clearly show that Koreans care much more about saving face and protecting professional reputations than they do about protecting or safeguarding children.

  • 8675309

    You’re all mixed up. I’m referring to the time gap between 2001 and 2014 which is 13 years. (2001,date of the supposed KH articles, to 2014 = a 13-year time difference.) Korean courts are fickle and reversing themselves at least 100 times a day. Anyone who cites what happened in Korean courts 13-years ago is like Rip Van Winkle asking why he has a beard.

  • WMunny

    Look above you, there are links to a 2009 article. Not sure how many Korean years Is equal to four-and-a-half years.

  • 8675309

    In the absence of a signed criminal complaint, the state may or may not charge or prosecute someone for statutory rape, however, the parents or guardian of a minor victim do have the right to file such a complaint for criminal prosecution.

  • WMunny

    “Statutory rape” referring to what age? Younger than 13?

  • 8675309

    2014 – 2009 = 5, which is why I said, “…a blog entry from five years ago…” Damn, you boys can’t math, can you?

  • WMunny

    I don’t know, but if I were your father I wish I would have kept the rubber on.

  • IAMIN YURI

    Sex with a minor

  • WMunny

    You keep referring to “13 years” passing since the newspaper article. Therefore, I pasted a newspaper article from July, 2009.

    The only time you mentioned “5 years” is when you said “foreigner blog entry from five years ago”.

    How long is 4.5 years in Korean years?

  • 8675309

    The prosecution of child pornographers and sex traffickers does not extend to prosecuting their victims. Minor victims, especially, are minors first and are not considered legally or morally capable of giving consent ipso facto. They are therefore not liable for their actions. Also, in civilized and democratic societies, we do not prosecute or punish victims of sexual exploitation or sex crimes.

  • WMunny

    I wish you would provide links.

  • 8675309

    Ditto!

  • WMunny

    I do.
    See above.
    I provided links to a blog posting and a Korea Times article, both from July, 2009.

  • The Real Truth

    By that logic, if a 17 year old films himself having sex with a 14 year old, nobody is guilty, and nobody can be prosecuted. If nobody is guilty and nobody can be prosecuted, wouldn’t that mean, at least in the hypothetical situation I’ve mentioned, that a crime did not occur?

    Victims of sex crimes are routinely ‘punished’ in Korea. The punishment starts at the police station when the officer in charge says “Are you sure he raped you? You’re wearing a short skirt after all.”

    What is compelling is that the Korean police and prosecutors had such an intense interest in this particular video that they, for some reason, pursued it relentlessly, obviously tracking down the girl in the video, putting her through the shame of questioning, no doubt dragging her parents into situation, and then locating, tracking and filing the paperwork to arrest Q, in Armenia no less.

    How did this case evolve from random porn video uploaded to a foreign porn site, to under-aged sex investigation and man-hunt? What is the missing puzzle piece?

  • Benjamin Wagner

    However much time has passed since those court decisions and however much Korea may have changed in that time, the fact remains that the age of consent law in Korea hasn’t changed. So what is your point exactly?

    Are arguing that contrary to my opinion Korean courts are tougher than US courts when it comes to punishing perpetrators of sex crimes against girls like the alleged victim in this case?

    Because if so you haven’t given us anything to back up that claim. In fact, you paint a rather unfavorable picture of the Korean judiciary as capricious and unreliable.

  • 8675309

    Yup…the newslinks are dead. Thanks for playing though! (Btw, to answer your question, 4.5 years is 31½ years in Korean years. Again, thanks for playing!)

  • Dagfari

    I’m willing to bet he was in Armenia on account of there’s no extradition treaty between Armenia and the United States.

    He doesn’t seem like a guy who’s smart enough to think that he might be extradited to Korea, and not back home.

  • WMunny

    “the newslinks are dead”

    Do you mean that they don’t open? The links open fine.
    Try again:
    Sex With Minor Not Crime If Not Forced

  • RElgin

    Ouch . . .

  • RElgin

    Parity would be good for all.

  • Aja Aja

    But Korean child molesters are smart enough not to make porn videos with minors, their own face revealed and their names scrawled all over the videos.

  • Aja Aja

    Can anybody confirm that it was the female child holding up the camera willingly? That sounds like an unsubstantiated charge to defend Mr Black to me.

  • Aja Aja

    Making a porn video, which is specifically against the law in Korea (which cracks down hard on pornography), with a minor, and making the video in the school where he was teaching, to boot. The point of the lesson is, if you want to have sex with little girls, don’t make a porn video and advertise yourself to the world with your name and face on it. That is simply dumb and you deserve what you get.

  • seouldout

    With very little effort one can find porn of the amateur genre made by Koreans (regular folks and celebrities) in Korea. I’m not speaking of hidden cam stuff where one or more unknowingly “stars”. Are these folks prosecuted?

  • setnaffa

    American law…

  • The Real Truth

    Watch the video (no I won’t link to it).

  • seouldout

    If one does one shall be committing a crime.

  • 8675309

    The age of consent was originally meant to be the legal age to consent to marriage. How it got twisted into being understood as the minimum age to consent to sex is a result of a self-serving interpretation from an obscure opinion handed down over a decade ago that is neither the law currently, nor was it ever established as case law.

  • 8675309

    If you watched it, downloaded it, or saved it on your hard drive, you are committing a crime.

  • seouldout

    Yep, it works.

  • seouldout

    Benjamin Wagner is a law professor in Korea and that askakorean fella is a US-based lawyer fluent in Korean.

    If you provided links that prove your point it’ll be more effective than the “I say so” you’ve done so far.

  • seouldout

    I know this is going to sound strange too, but if the age of consent is really 13 then “kiddie porn”, as it exists in Korea, must involve a participant 12 or younger, i.e. those too young to consent to sex.

  • wangkon936

    Perhaps this case can be cited in Mr. Black’s defense. However, there is still the porno vid part. It is evident that Mr. Lim didn’t film a vid of him having sex with a minor.

    Thus, the distinctions here are: Mr. Black filmed sexually explicit acts with a minor for the expressed purposes of creating pornographic materials 2) He used his position as a teacher in an English language institute to meet underaged girls 3) He used English language institute resources (i.e. dorm room) to engage in sex with a minor and to film them 4) He proudly bragged online that Korean girls were “easy.”

    Koreans generally don’t like things flaunted in their faces, particularly by foreigners. Because Mr. Black appeared to have done that, they will try to throw the book at him. Listen, I don’t make the rules, I just explain them as they are. Are they unfair? Sometimes, but isn’t it good to know the rules? Isn’t it good (and smart) be be very discrete if you intend to break the rules? Mr. Black did none of these so he has, in a sense, put himself in this position. Bitching about it won’t change shit and makes you look like a foreign asshole who wants to flaunt the host country’s laws.

  • wangkon936

    Any legal experts want to chime in and get more definitive info? I mean, this 46 year old did still go to court, a big hassle, so clarification of some nuances of this law might be helpful. Could be an important question for the expat crowd given that many are at that “just out of college” age and commonly run into younger people while doing their job. Serious question. I mean no disrespect by my statement.

  • bumfromkorea

    I’m getting a strange sense of crossover between this comment section and Black people’s reaction to R Kelly’s pissing video.

  • wangkon936

    Probably has roots in Korea’s agrarian past, when parents married off daughters at a very young age so they could have one less mouth to feed. Not sure why it’s still on the books. That law should be reformed. At least clarified.

  • wangkon936

    I believe the “vigor” in which Korean law enforcement has gone after Mr. Black (and will prosecute him) is probably because he: 1) bragged about his “conquests” openly online, particularly that Korean girls were “easy” 2) used English language institute resources (i.e. dorm room, furniture, students, maybe even camera) (3) is an African American male and (4) part of a group (i.e. Anglosphere expatriate English instructors) who don’t always have the best reputation with behavior and/or mindset while in Korea.

    I’m not saying number 3 and 4 are not unfair reasons to throw the book at Mr. Black. Personally, I am actually a little sympathetic to Mr. Black’s situation. Numbers 1 and 2 are probably more legitimate reasons. People like Mr. Black (and maybe yourself) are essentially migrant workers. Very few of you people stay in Korea long term. You have a cloud hanging on your heads already. It would be in your best interests to be able to understand that and learn to “navigate” the cultural norms, expectations and perceptions of the land you are working in while you are there. In some cases you people can’t act like you did when you were “back home.” You can’t expect the punishments (or lack of punishments) to be the same either. If you insist on wanting that, then it is an unrealistic expectation. Continuing to want that will just make you bitter and angrier.

  • RElgin

    That is so *wrong*. R. Kelly has been “pissing” on his self for too long.

    Who can stop the rain?

  • Benjamin Wagner

    Good points from Wangkon936. It would be great if a Korean attorney would provide some clarification as he suggests. It does get confusing.

    For example, since 13 is the age of consent for sex in Korea one would assume that whatever a 12-year-old child had to say about the sexual encounter with her rapist shouldn’t be able to help him out, but apparently that’s not true.

    In December 2012, the Korean justice system allowed a 29-year-old Korean male elementary school teacher to get off scot-free after repeatedly raping a 12-year-old Korean female student because “the girl asked police not to punish him, saying she had sex because she loved him.”(!?) While “[t]he teacher could [have] face[d] charges of sexual assault and rape of a minor [the] police had to drop the case at her request.”(!?)
    http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/12/116_126370.html
    http://news.donga.com/3/all/20121207/51381766/1

    Wangkon936 also mentions that “clarification of some nuances of this law might be helpful…for the expat crowd given that many are at that ‘just out of college’ age and commonly run into younger people while doing their job.”

    As far as the law is concerned, Americans should know they can face up to 30 years in prison for sex with persons under 18 anywhere in the world under US law.

    US citizens can read the warning below from the Immigration Customs and Enforcement (ICE). There’s an ICE Unit, with investigators, that runs right out the US Embassy in Korea and they can and will arrest US citizens:

    Notice to US citizens: Your actions abroad may have serious consequences

    . . . U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) [will] apprehend and prosecute U.S. citizens who engage in sexual acts with minors in foreign countries.

    Millions of American citizens travel abroad on a regular basis. While the vast majority of them are law abiding, some commit sexual crimes against minors in foreign countries.

    . . .

    In 2003, the United States strengthened its ability to fight child sex tourism by passing the Prosecutorial Remedies and Other Tools to End the Exploitation of Children Today Act (PROTECT Act) and the Trafficking Victim’s Protection Reauthorization Act. These laws carry penalties of up to 30 years in prison . . .

    “Our message is clear to all U.S. citizens: We take these crimes seriously,” said Peter Vincent, director of HSI’s Office of International Affairs. “If you dare abuse a child abroad, we will find you, send you back to the United States and prosecute you for your crimes. You might be out of the country, but you are not out of reach of U.S. law enforcement.” …

    http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1210/121017washingtondc.htm

  • wangkon936

    Some people may think I am anti-expat. I never have been, nor will I be. I am naturally sympathetic to my fellow countrymen who have decided to seek opportunities overseas. I am just incredibly annoyed by a small, but very vocal, population of these expats who have to immaturely blame all their shortcomings on their current or past host country. Honestly? They don’t really make Korea look bad. They make Americans abroad look bad.

  • redwhitedude

    Exchange this guy with that US citizen held in NK?

  • redwhitedude

    I’m sure that language school is going to love. They are going to be libel to get sued if the girl’s parents decide to do so for “facilitating” this crap. Not to mention that they will lose a lot of business if they haven’t done so already.

  • redwhitedude

    As represented by that amateurish site. It’s hilarious what these clowns do. Add to that the trolling that goes on by certain chinese and japanese.

  • redwhitedude

    I wish Koreans had a little bit more of the hardass attitude that Americans had. Koreans let things fly too much.

  • redwhitedude

    Perhaps. Kids got married around 10 perhaps a little younger. Perhaps attitudes will change as time goes on.

  • redwhitedude

    Well rubber isn’t a guarantee though.

  • redwhitedude

    That is wrong. In the context of runaway teens that would be child endangerment. These kids don’t always display maturity to make proper judgments on people they meet and can be preyed upon. It should not matter whether they approve or not. This is very dangerous.

  • wangkon936

    They are also members of a pretty powerful teacher’s union.

  • ashley

    being black was his crime. the girl was probably a slut anyway.

  • pawikirogii

    ladies and gentleman, i give you…..the expat!

    btw, here’s my tribute to the people of vietnam:

  • wangkon936

    Let’s not call any females we don’t know a “probable slut.” Thank you for your cooperation.

  • KRAHN

    Regarding the Korean elementary school teacher, here’s a story about a 30-year-old male Korean elementary school teacher who had a sexual relationship with a student and consequently received a sentence of eight years in prison, 80 hours of sex offender treatment and 10 years of being
    on a sex-offender registry.

    http://news.naver.com/main/ranking/read.nhn?mid=etc&sid1=111&rankingType=popular_week&oid=001&aid=0006275407&date=20130522&type=1&rankingSectionId=102&rankingSeq=2

    I’m pretty sure it’s the same guy you mentioned, and something happened to change authorities’ minds after they initially decided not to prosecute him.

  • redwhitedude

    Let’s not be racist and as to the girl, innocent until proven guilty.

  • redwhitedude

    I don’t know if this will cover for this kind of misdeeds on their part. It could cause the teacher’s union to lose some credibility in the eyes of the public. It’s using the union to cover for this heinous act. But yea they will definitely get better lawyers.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Oh look, the kiddie fiddler, or a friend of the kiddie fiddler, or a random kiddy fiddler standing up for one of his own would now like to charge victims with the crime. Sounds like a great plan, we can be like some backwards muslim country that lashes women for getting raped.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Maybe you should be reported for the crime you committed. Do you think the cops can’t track you down? Consumption of kiddie porn is a crime. You are a criminal.

  • pawikirogii

    no wonder you want to stand up for pedophiles. ladies and gentleman, i give you….the expat, a man into schoolgirls and child porn. seems my ‘art’ was right bout so many of you!

  • Benjamin Wagner

    The double standard Koreans display with regard to
    foreign professionals vs Korean nationals is just sickening.

    Let’s be clear here, I am not advocating for foreign teachers to be
    treated as laxly as Korean teachers. I am calling for Korean teachers to
    be subject to just as much scrutiny and just as much suspicion, if not
    more suspicion, than foreign teachers. If Korea truly cares about its
    children, it should do more to protect them from sexual predators,
    regardless of nationality.

    Great points but, sadly, this line of argument goes nowhere in Korea.

    In 2009, I made the points you make above in a complaint to the National Human Rights Commission of Korea (NHRCK) against the government of Korea. I argued that the NHRCK had a duty to help “shift the focus of the current discussion from xenophobic hysteria over ‘dangerous foreign English teachers’ to raising the standard of human rights protection for children in the Republic of Korea.”

    The complaint concluded with the following:

    Equal Standards for Teachers Means Greater Protections for Children in Korea

    …the NHRCK should stress the importance of creating a single, unified, high standard of protection for the human rights of children in the Republic of Korea. A standard of protection that applies equally to all teachers of children regardless of citizenship or immigration status will raise, not lower, the standard of protection for the human rights of children in the Republic of Korea. . . .

    By insisting there is a single, unified standard of protection that applies equally to all teachers of children regardless of citizenship or immigration status, the NHRCK is insisting that the standard of protection is raised, not lowered.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/15768998/Nhrck-Report-2

    Of course, nothing came of it because as I learned (and as Korean parents have long been aware) there’s no real interest on the part of the government authorities in actually protecting the children in Korea. Instead, as in cases like this one, the children are used as a way to punish foreigners and assert Korean sovereignty. Few care about the alleged victims. Koreans know for themselves what’s being said about the minor female in this case.

  • KRAHN

    If you and pawi really want to crack down on sex criminals, why don’t you devote your efforts to ridding the Korean public school system of the at least 146 sex criminals which it currently employs?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I will do my part if ever a teacher touches my kids by breaking the neck of said teacher. Until then, I really have no way of doing any such thing. Its a useless suggestion.

  • KRAHN

    Yes, you’re right. Private individuals have never been able to influence public policy or opinion, nor have private individuals ever been able to force underreported stories into the public eye. In taunting phantom criminals in the comments section of another person’s blog, you are doing the best you can do. Thanks for your efforts.

  • Arghaeri

    Arguably not, as it seems to have been published without her consent or knowledge.

    But one korean actress was arrested on her return to Korea for being in a porno movie in North America. [korean law being extraterritorial, i.e A Korean national is liable for breaking korean laws wherever they happen to be)

  • Arghaeri

    Wrong, the age of consent is 13, the age to consent to marriage is higher.

  • Arghaeri

    If genitals are displayed in “action” and they published it then yes.

    If they are victim of having a home movie published by someone else without their consent probably not, but the person publishing it would be.

  • Arghaeri

    American law what?

  • seouldout

    I understand the genitals-in-action part. Are people prosecuted?

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    Whatever your thoughts on our penal system may be, this guy allegedly made a sex video with a 15 year old girl. This is not okay. If guilty, he’s a sex offender and he should have to register as one. There is a high recidivism rate among sex offenders, therefore sex offenders register so we know where they are.

  • Joseph M.

    How’s the air up there? Probably not as smoggy as down here where real people live.

  • Joseph M.

    Only if he cried in court and told a sob story about his father.

  • wangkon936

    One must be careful not to think that Koreans don’t care about or want to “protect” their children. Every human society on planet Earth wants to care for and protect their children. I wouldn’t interpret their apparent apathy on this particular subject to mean that they are indifferent to the well being of their kids.

    It may simply mean that sexual predators going after their kids may not be a huge item in the minds of Koreans because they haven’t had to have worried about it longer than in many Western countries. Korean society today is similar to Western societies in the 50′s and 60′s. A little racist, a little naivete, but a little more orderly and tradition bound.

    They just might not have a longer history of sexual predatory crimes so they may see less of a need for a legal system to proactively address it. Not saying that it’s necessary, but perhaps Korean society hasn’t woken up to it yet. But, again, that shouldn’t be interpreted as Koreans not wanting to protect their kids or caring for them.

    From the standpoint of telling Koreans what to do, the expat community, who hasn’t really established long roots in the country and don’t really have a lot of sophisticated language skills, are a bit of the low man on the totem pole when it comes to influencing policy and legislative decisions. Again, not meant to be disrespectful, but just telling it like it is. It won’t help if you have the attitude that you know what’s better for their kids then they do.

  • 8675309

    Are you fluent in Korean and are you licensed to practice law in Korea? Unless you are, you are not qualified to comment on the laws in this jurisdiction, as you are just another expat subject to the laws and dictates of Korea regardless of whether you like it or not.

    Also, I hope you learned that filing that self-serving “complaint” of yours with the NHRCK was a grand mal waste of your time. If you had known better, you would’ve known that Korean bureaucracies and government agencies do not pander to the special interests and whiney complaints of minority groups, e.g., foreign English teachers or any other kind of foreign workers for that matter, that do not follow the procedures and the administrative rules for their jurisdiction.

    On the other hand, if you had established a prima facie case of a legitimate human rights violation or abuse, and understood the jurisdictional authority and limitations of the Commission, you probably would’ve been treated much differently.

    Regardless, what does anything you’ve said have to do with the production, publishing, dissemination and distribution of child pornography in Korea, all of which has been established as clearly illegal, and the primary issue at hand? (Funny how you and other expats on this site keep on harping on “age of consent” as the legal basis and possible justification for engaging in such activity.)

  • wangkon936

    It could make a difference. That kind of stuff matters to Koreans. You gotta know what audience you are playing to.

    Those captured Somali pirates did come up with their own sob story and it did work to some extent.

  • pawikirogii

    ‘It may simply mean that sexual predators going after their kids may not
    be a huge item in the minds of Koreans because they haven’t had to have
    worried about it longer than in many Western countries. Korean society
    today is similar to Western societies in the 50′s and 60′s. A little
    racist, a little naivete, but a little more orderly and tradition bound’

    they won’t acknowledge this because it gets in the way of their victimology.

  • KRAHN

    “Are you fluent in Korean and are you licensed to practice law in Korea? Unless you are, you are not qualified to comment on the laws in this jurisdiction”

    Could you please explain the reasoning behind your standard for qualification to comment? Are Korean citizens who are fluent in Korean but not licensed to practice law in Korea also unqualified to comment on the laws in their own country? Does your logic apply outside Korea? Should American law schools, for example, fire any instructors who are not licensed to practice law?

  • pawikirogii

    ‘what does anything you’ve said have to do with the production,
    publishing, dissemination and distribution of child pornography in
    Korea…’

    answer: not a damn thing.

  • KRAHN

    “It may simply mean that sexual predators going after their kids may not be a huge item in the minds of Koreans because they haven’t had to have worried about it longer than in many Western countries.”

    So you propose that sexual predation is a modern phenomenon? When exactly did it start?

  • wangkon936

    If prosecuted, maybe Mr. Black will be going to Cheonan:

    http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20110227000115

    I mean, it’s no Norwegian jail, but it is a little better than what Korean inmates have access to.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    revolting. Put them to hard labor.

  • wangkon936

    I’m sure it’s been around for a long time. I guess what I’m saying is that its mental preoccupation in society has been around less with the advent of the modern era and in that regards the West has been dealing with it as a serious social issue for a longer period of time. So, in a sense they have a head start in establishing more stringent and onerous laws to specifically deal with it.

  • wangkon936

    hahaha… inmates at Cheonan have the “option” to work.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    No, but whats the work they are doing? Put them in pits and make them dig for 20 hours a day

  • The Real Truth

    If you had any idea who you were talking to, you’d probably stop posting.

  • Jason Lindley

    Really reminds me of this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEHVR9Hj_b0

    The timing of this is fishy. Considering that the younger girl was of the Korean age of consent (15) and that there’s TONS of hardcore Korean porn on the internet, the use of an international manhunt smacks of the government trying to redirect rage from Park Geun Hye’s floundering popularity.

  • The Real Truth

    Why hasn’t Robby K installed a button allowing users to ignore all of pawikirogii’s posts? I believe there was a petition with at last 2322 signatures asking Robby K to block/ban or otherwise make it possible for the rest of us access this site without seeing these whimpering, insecure, short-man syndrome comments that you always post. What ever happened to the petition? I guess we need to start a new one.

    I do not support child porn, but if you ever have a daughter, I’m going to make sure she is actively recruited into Q’ Black’s next video.

  • Aja Aja

    For whatever reason, people are still harping on the Korea’s age of consent to defend Mr. Black. As if that is the reason for the charges. He is being charged with making porn videos in a country that explicitly and very seriously cracks down on on-line pornography. The scenes where Mr.Black shot himself having sex with his highschool students who are minors, in the school, also could extremely offend the senses of the Korean authorities. He broke the law, he is going to be punished. I remember a few years back in a similar situation where a female Korean teacher who was teaching in a private institute was found to be a porn actress who made porn videos in Canada, and was a well known face online. Someone who saw her videos snitched on her and there was a big public uproar at that time. She was fired from the job and the law got involved in prosecuting her. I have no ideal why people here are defending this guy, other than the fact that he’s American. Lawbreakers should be punished if they break the law regardless of their race.

  • setnaffa
  • wangkon936

    Perhaps the choice for Mr. Black is either Cheonan or some butt rape village in the U.S.?

  • pawikirogii

    poster got to ya, eh? here’s how you block pawi: when you see ‘pawikirogii’, you stop and move to the next post. see how easy?

  • babotaengi

    I don’t think they were lying. Pretty sure they liked ANY and ALL food.

  • kaizenmx

    Good. Get that piece of shit rot in jail and throw away the key and make him an exemplary of other foreign esl pedobears what happens when you try to make a film out of fucking underage girls and put it on redtube.

  • gbnhj

    As an aside, that ‘someone who saw her videos [and] snitched on her’ was one of her adolescent pupils. Interestingly, neither the media nor (apparently) the police focused their attention on him, despite the fact that the minor’s announcement of his discovery also served as an announcement that he had been trolling the Interwebs for porn.

  • 8675309

    Is this douchebag really worthy of all the collective cries of sympathy and moral support emanating from the expat community here in Korea? For those who are quick to defend Quincy Black while just as quick to criticize the Korean judicial system, better check yourself lest you become associated with this scumbag and his depravity.

    And for all the inexplicable handwringing expressed by unduly sympathetic expats on this thread over Mr. Black’s rights and legal fate in Korea, why bother? This lucky bastard has it made in the shade for at least the next several years, if in fact, he gets this next gig as a ward of the Korean state.

    Actually, I would be more concerned about what will happen to this cocksucker AFTER he finishes his term here in Korea, as the Dept. of Homeland Security is more than likely to get first dibs on him by demanding his extradition from the ROK government back to U.S. terra firma on their own indictment.

    Whatever token sentence Mr. Black is destined to eventually serve in Korea will pretty much be his ‘Wonder Years’, especially if anyone took the time to realize what’s in store for him if and when Homeland Security gets their way and he’s extradited back to the U.S. when he’s finished his prison sentence here in Korea.

    For the near future though, after Mr. Black is done serving his mandatory term at Korea’s cushy ‘Four Seasons For Foreigners,’ where he will have lived high on the Korean-taxpayer hog for just a few fleeting years while having been catered to 24/7 with foreigner-friendly, thrice-a-day gourmet custom meals specially designed to tickle his palate — a far cry from that miyeokguk/seaweed soup slop other Korean prisoners have to eat everyday — he’ll have nothing but fond memories of having been thoroughly entertained and stimulated with free, taxpayer-paid Korean-language and etiquette lessons while surround by super friendly and efficient guards and prison staff hand-picked by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs & Trade based on their TOEIC scores.

    He’ll not only be no worse for wear on the day he’s release from Korean prison, this particular sex offender will be flush with thousands of dollars he’ll have easily saved on that 200,000 KRW per month prison salary he’ll have collected making tennis shoes and other assorted knickknacks and whatnots for Korea, Inc.

    Then it’s all up to the Dept. of Homeland Security to bring him back to American soil for real prosecution and a real prison term in a real penitentiary for having engaged in producing kiddie porn abroad. Like I said, this guy has it made in the shade.

  • 8675309

    Umm…no. According to Cullen Thomas in his South Korean foreigner prison memoir called “Brother One Cell”, the most-favored honcho senior prisoners (by age and time served) — essentially “trustees — acted like mob bosses in the Korean prison system by currying favor with the warden, who in turn doled out lucrative work contracts from outside local SMEs to his favorite trustees.

    The wardens then took their cut from these lucrative contracts, and the SMEs depended on the warden to provide them with cheap prison labor to fulfill orders for things like sneakers and cheap consumer goods for lucrative government contracts — mostly from the military and other Korean government agencies.

    The head-honcho trustees, in turn, fulfilled their promises to the warden by recruiting and maintaining their own network of mid-level lackeys, who in turn, recruited lower level prisoners to serve as workers and up-and-coming-lackeys who could move up in the system by demonstrating loyalty and fealty to their “bosses.”

    Thomas said he felt fortunate to be able to while the hours away doing this light manufacturing work during his imprisonment making things like tennis shoes and cardboard boxes, which he could get only after ingratiating himself with senior trustees.

    Thomas said the crushing nature of boredom in prison compelled him and other prisoners to avail themselves of every any activity possible to stay sane.

    And as far as I recall, outside of doing work in these prison factories, the Korean foreigner prison doesn’t require the prisoners to do any involuntary or manual labor of any kind.

  • gbnhj

    Not quite sure why you responded as you did here. My comment above doesn’t deal with Mr. Black or his alleged acts. It pretty clearly deals with another case, and discusses another topic. I don’t support Mr. Black’s alleged acts, and Aja Aja clearly doesn’t either, so I don’t know what you’re on about.

  • Benjamin Wagner

    If half the energy that is expended on making sure foreigners don’t overstep their place was instead directed toward protecting children Korea and Koreans would benefit.

  • seouldout

    “So you propose that sexual predation is a modern phenomenon? When exactly did it start?”

    Interesting questions.

    Sexual predation has exited since humans have been copulating. I think modern awareness of it is quite recent. I found this timeline on, of all places, the boyscout’s website.

    1979 David Finkelhor’s study Sexually Victimized Children sheds light on the prevalence and harmful effects of child sexual abuse. This and other groundbreaking studies in the late 1970s and early 1980s focus the nation’s attention on the issue of child sexual abuse.

    1980s Legal standards evolve in ways that eventually make it easier to prosecute child sexual abusers. As the decade progresses, courts increasingly admit children as witnesses and drop their corroboration requirement for child sex abuse cases, acknowledging that abuse is a crime that, by its nature, often lacks witnesses.

    1981 Seven years after its establishment by
    Congress, the National Center for Child Abuse and Neglect publishes its first study on the incidence of child abuse and neglect, including sexual abuse.

    1982 The Supreme Court considers the issue of child pornography for the first time in Ferber v. New York.

    1983 Time magazine publishes its first cover story on abuse, called “Private Violence: Child Abuse, Wife
    Beating, Rape.” While it focuses on physical abuse of children, the story includes content on sexual abuse.

    1984 Partially in response to the Supreme Court case Ferber v. New York, Congress raises the statutory age limit of a minor to 18 as part of the Child Protection Act.

    1984 PBS airs a four-part series titled “Child Sexual Abuse: What Your Children Should Know.” A TV critic from the New York Times writes, “Until recently, the sexual abuse of children was seldom discussed.… Clearly, the topic has surfaced.”

    1985 The Chicago Tribune reports, “A national survey has confirmed what most readers of daily newspapers have known for months: Reports of sexually abused children increased sharply in 1984, more than doubling in some states … the topic of sexual child
    abuse has only recently come under widespread public discussion.”

    1986 Congress strengthens prohibitions on production of, and advertisements for, child pornography.

  • chooNryusk

    “However, I am just incredibly annoyed by a small, but very vocal,
    population of these expats who have to immaturely blame all their
    shortcomings on their current or past host country.”

    How do you know they blame “all their shortcomings on their current or past host country” and how many of these expats do you know?

  • chooNryusk

    I doubt that a Korean lawyer would actually site that in Mr. Black’s defense. Mr. Black is done for, if Mr. Black asked his lawyer to cite such a thing the lawyer would just tell Mr. Black that he did(say something) but in reality it wouldn’t happen.

  • chooNryusk

    Got it, Koreans child molesters are smarter than foreigner ones.

  • Arghaeri

    I couldn’t say, not being in law enforcement, but the fact that I’ve never seen such on Korean cable, suggest that if it were published mainstream it would be prosecuted.

  • Arghaeri

    Ah, so nothing then since its the Koreans who have extradited him and not the US.

  • Arghaeri

    Ah, I see you classify foreigners as non-human, got it.

  • Arghaeri

    Which as you’re American makes Koreans…

  • Arghaeri

    No

  • Arghaeri

    The only part you are correct on is that it has nothing to do with consensual sex, otherwise you’re a complete muppet.

    Of course Korean girls can have sex before 18-19, are you suggesting they can marry under law at 16 but not have sex with their husband for three more years.- muppet.

    Further, the age of consent for sex for females in Korea is 13. Will you stop making shit up in your cozy US dreamworlds. Muppet.

  • Arghaeri

    Benjamin, does the Protect Act allow the US to prosecute acts that are legal in the jurisdiction where the act takes place. I.e is it full extraterritioal application of US laws in such matters?

  • Arghaeri

    What concern for the perpetrator is evinced in this thread, mostly I see curiosity as to what it is that he is being charged under.

    He is a despicable arsehole publishing as he did, but being a moral arsehole is not always punishable under law.

    I suspect he will be under straight Korean pornography publishing laws. And most likely laws against lewd depictions of minors.

  • Arghaeri

    You seem to forget he’s a foreigner too.

  • Benjamin Wagner

    Yes. Very unique in its extraterritorial application.

  • Benjamin Wagner

    Only in English.

  • Arghaeri

    The age of consent to marriage is 16 for women and 18 for men. What has this got to do with age of consent for sex being 13 which contrary to your statement has been apples in recent years in case law.

  • Arghaeri

    Interesting, Thanks.

    So how many US citizens are being pursued in Europe and the rest of the world where the age of consent is 16 and even below?

  • Arghaeri

    Whatever else she may have done, there doesn’t seem to be any suggestion she took part in publishing it.

  • Arghaeri

    The police alleged that he made payment for sex, food and a small amount of pocket money. We’re he found to have paid for sex with a minor this would have led to a successful prosecution. On the facts of the case the judge found that he had not paid for sex with her, that the sex was consensual and without payment and therefore legal.

  • Benjamin Wagner

    Good question. I’m not familiar enough with the various countries’ age of consent laws to answer that. I’m familiar with several successful prosecutions for violations of the Act in Cambodia when the age of consent used to be 15 (it’s 18 now as I understand), but the victims were younger than that so the sex act was illegal in both countries.

    For questions on extraterritoriality and jurisdiction see US v. Clark http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1325636.html He was the first guy prosecuted and made these types of challenges.

  • Arghaeri

    Wrong, it is against laws protecting minors, and is in any case against the law for adults too.!

  • Arghaeri

    I don’t think it is on the books, I think it’s the Korean equivalent of antlosphere common law.

    In some anglosphere countries even murder has only recently been codified, but it was against law nonetheless.

  • Arghaeri

    Attitudes have changed, but the legislature doesn’t seem to have gotten around to this anomaly in Korea yet.

  • Arghaeri

    What jurisdiction are you referring to? Many jurisdictions do not need the victims consent, breach of the law is breach of the law?

  • Arghaeri

    How is this applied to 18 years when some US states the age of consent is lower still, isn’t it.?

  • Arghaeri

    Minor protection laws have been in place for some time, it’s the application that is lacking.

  • Arghaeri

    The Jerry Lee Lewis scandal was in the public awareness in the fifties, and that was in relation to his 13 year old wife.

  • Benjamin Wagner

    This is federal law and it applies to conduct overseas not in US. Yes, various states have different age of consent laws but US federal law puts age of consent at 18. The equivalent of Protect Act domestically would be the Mann Act. In fact, it’s helpful to think of Protect Act as the global application of Mann Act.

  • Arghaeri

    A license to practise law does not mean one is not sufficiently qualified in the law to comment on same.

    However, based on your own criteria, can we expect you to STFU, since you clearly don’t even understand the basics of the law, let alone practise it.

  • Arghaeri

    Are you sure that all that hardcore “Korean porn” actually has Koreans in it?

  • dogbertt

    He does understand whining, though.

  • Arghaeri

    Not meaning to be disrespectful, but I think that this puts a damper on you assertion that America is so serious about this in anything more than show, if they don’t even apy the federal age of consent in the US, how can they claim to be serious about it? (This being merely consensual sex with say 16 year olds) I am sure they’re very serious with 15 & below that and child pornography etc..

  • Bob Bobbs

    Source? You are making things up.

  • Bob Bobbs

    No, you won’t. Really. Your murder fantasies are just as sick.

  • Bob Bobbs

    You’re an idiot.

  • Bob Bobbs

    Every human society on planet Earth wants to care for and protect their children.

  • Bob Bobbs

    Do you understand how classifying legitimate complaints as ‘whiney’ exhibits your racist bias?

  • Bob Bobbs

    Amen.

  • Bob Bobbs

    You are talking about a child. She is not a ‘slut.’ He’s an American, and isn’t allowed to have sex with people under 18 anywhere on Earth- under his own laws. Under Korean laws, he made porn and distributed it. Whether or not this case brings some clarification to what the actual age of consent is in Korea, he is being prosecuted according to the law-the hypocrisy of a Korea that allows its own teachers who sexually abuse their own students to continue teaching with little or no punishment notwithstanding.

  • Bob Bobbs
  • 8675309

    For the umpteenth time, he’s being indicted for producing and disseminating kiddie porn, not for having engaged in underage sex, so the age of consent does not apply in this case — contrary to all of the expat whining that has been going on that a double standard is being applied just b/c he’s a foreigner — nor will the age of consent argument apply when he’s extradited back to the U.S.

  • 8675309

    Having passed the Korean bar exam and possessing a license to practice law in Korea does mean, however, that you are fluent in Korean, can actually read the law in Hangeul and Hanja, and can function in Korean society without the help of an interpreter or google Translator™, take your pick. Otherwise, STFU.

  • 8675309

    Do you understand that your failure to understand the difference between a baseless allegation and a legitimate allegation is actually a product of your own personal bias?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I would stop posting? Really?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I meant they SHOULD BE stuck in pits to labor for 20 hours a day; the sex offenders and murderers, anyway.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Well, seeing as you defended pedophiles earlier, I am not surprised that you would find an assault on a pedophile “sick.” I am sure you were aghast that the father in Texas who quite recently killed the guy he caught molesting and raping his daughter was allowed to get away with it.

  • seouldout

    Certainly was. Moreover, when he married his cousin he was still married to his second wife, thus a bigamist. I don’t know what the age of consent was back then (they obtained a marriage licence), but bigamy was certainly a crime. The story broke in England when Lewis told reporters, “She’s my wife.” The public was scandalised, he was blacklisted, but that was about it; he wasn’t prosecuted. His marriage wasn’t annulled. They remained married for 13 years. Did this issue generate new laws, increase prosecution, or change society in any way? Not that I see.

  • Bob Bobbs

    That’s what I said.

  • Bob Bobbs

    When and where did I ‘defend pedophiles’? You dream about murdering people, they dream about child rape. Same same.

  • Bob Bobbs

    You have relied on nothing but baseless allegations in this discussion. Source?

  • seouldout

    Korean cable? As is Korean cable TV? You won’t find it there. On the internet it’s easily found.

  • 8675309

    Who made you God, judge and jury?

  • seouldout

    Since she was above the age of consent it isn’t kiddie porn. It’s simply porn. He’s being indicted for producing and disseminating porn.

    I find Korea’s current age of consent stupid and irresponsible. I find Korea’s anti-porn law silly. This does not absolve Mr Black.

  • seouldout

    8675309 > wangkon936 • 4 days ago −
    “The age of consent” in Korea means consent to get married…not to be a skank and ho’.

    Ahem…

  • setnaffa

    If (1) he really did an underage girl, and (2) he didn’t look like one of the President’s sons (due to AG Holder’s racism), he would already be on one of the Prime Time news shows being perp-walked through an airport.

  • setnaffa

    Shame on you, pedo.

  • seouldout

    Okay, I’ll bite. How does explaining the law, correctly or not, make him a paedophile?

  • seouldout

    Being a signatory is one thing, ratifying them makes them law, does it not?

  • Arghaeri

    As I posted to someone else are you sure it’s Koreans in that “Korean porn”, also are they identifiable or the publisher easily traceable, the nature of the Internet makes these things problematic.

  • Arghaeri

    Since he’s not, your claim fails.

  • Arghaeri

    Are you in doubt about the Teheran Conference and Yalta Conference?

  • Arghaeri

    Indeed,

    RK are you really allowing such abhorrent comments to stand these days.

  • 8675309

    No one is invoking Korea’s “anti-porn” law, b/c it ain’t porn we’re talking about — it’s kiddie porn. She’s under the age of 18 and in the eyes of every international convention Korea is a party to, AND the PROTECT Act, which are the only bodies of laws that matter at this point, there is no “age of consent” for any minor under the age of 18 exploited in the production of kiddie porn. (And just stop it with that 13-is-the-age-of-consent mantra you got looping ad nauseam inside your head. Not only is it getting tiring and boring having to listen to such self-serving drivel and sophistic nonsense over and over again, quite frankly, the image of pasty pedophiles using every flimsy excuse they can dig up on the Internet from dated blog entries to obscure legal opinions thrown out decades ago to self-justify their own behavior — regardless of how inappropriate, lewd and illegal it is — is quite frankly disgusting and reviling.)

  • Arghaeri

    Wrong.

  • Arghaeri

    I believe the age of consent for marriage was 13 in that state at that time. I don’t recall hearing the marriage was bigamous.

  • Arghaeri

    Amazing as it may seem to you many people can read Korean without passing the Korean Bar exam.

    And in any case since many of the laws are published by the Korean Government in English, even that is not necessary to read them.

  • Arghaeri

    However following your criteria I now understand your inability to function in an anglosphere country, since you never went to law school.

  • Arghaeri

    I believe it is kiddy porn under Korean laws to protect minors. So this would likely increase the severity of the case, over and above that of mere publishing porn.

    The age of consent to sex seems to be an anomaly, where numerous laws have been passed to protect minors under 18 in Korea, but revision of the basic age of consent has somehow been overlooked.

    This oversight is as you say stupid and irresponsible, particularly since it has come to full awareness in the media in recent years, eg the aforementioned case.

  • setnaffa

    Sorry, he’s protected from Federal prosecution by his race.

  • setnaffa

    He is apparently advocating sex outside marriage with minors. At best he is conflating the two. And he is using foul language while doing it. It fits with the profile.

    I do not see that the same way you do. Since unless he is a lawyer, he is not actually capable of explaining the law correctly.

  • seouldout

    It was bigamous.

    “Before long, Lewis found a way to acquire a marriage license and persuaded Myra to slip away to a wedding chapel in Hernando, Miss., and become his bride. Although her father was furious when he found out and considered trying to charge Lewis with kidnapping, bigamy and incest, in the end, Jay Brown brought no charges against his daughter’s husband because he feared it might ruin the young couple’s chances for happiness.”

    http://articles.philly.com/1989-07-24/news/26133860_1_child-bride-jerry-lee-lewis-great-balls

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    You defended Kim Il Sung

  • Arghaeri

    Wow, lucky we have Korea then!

  • 8675309

    “Amazing as it may seem to you many people can read Korean without passing the Korean Bar exam.”

    If you’re talking about my three-year-old niece who can read Korean quite fluently, amazing as it may seem at her age, even more amazingly, no one is actually giving her props as this is par for the course in Korea. Doesn’t mean however, that she would be considered functionally literate in her own language by any stretch of the imagination.

    “And in any case since many of the laws are published by the Korean Government in English, even that is not necessary to read them.”

    LOL! That’s like saying in Germany, many of the laws are published in Armenian. Well I’m sure they are, and there’s no doubt much the same is true in Korea; however, just b/c the Korean government has done you the courtesy of providing you with a 2014 copy of “Rules of the Road” in English just so you can study for and get your Korean drivers license, doesn’t mean they’ll extend the same courtesy if you get arrested for publishing kiddie porn and/or contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Nice try but no cigar! Thanks for playing though!

  • 8675309

    No one is invoking Korea’s “anti-porn” law, b/c it ain’t porn we’re talking about — it’s kiddie porn. She’s under the age of 18 and in the eyes of every international convention Korea is a party to, AND the PROTECT Act, which are the only bodies of laws that matter at this point, there is no “age of consent” for any minor under the age of 18 exploited in the production of kiddie porn. (And just stop it with that 13-is-the-age-of-consent mantra you got looping ad nauseam inside your head. Not only is it getting tiring and boring having to listen to such self-serving drivel and sophistic nonsense over and over again, quite frankly, the image of pasty pedophiles using every flimsy excuse they can dig up on the Internet from dated blog entries to obscure legal opinions thrown out decades ago to self-justify their own behavior — regardless of how inappropriate, lewd and illegal it is — is quite frankly disgusting and reviling.)

  • wangkon936

    Yes. I read that book. Cullen didn’t go to a foreigner specific prison. He went to one that was generally for Korean inmates. Cheonan was established after him.

    http://thethreewisemonkeys.com/2012/04/02/living-behind-bars-as-a-sofa-inmate-at-koreas-cheonan-correctional-institute/

    The blog “Three Wise Monkeys” interviewed an American trooper staying at Cheonan:

    “…Inmates are not required to work but Fisher said it helped pass the time…”

  • Arghaeri

    Wow, you must have a pretty sick mind if you think calling someone who repeatedly makes up rubbish an idiot, as being foul language, but finds calling the person who corrects those “facts” something rehrehensible to be acceptable behaviour.

    Further, If you think you need to be a lawyer to understand “age of consent” then you are a muppet too.

    As to my legal qualifications they are just fine thank you.

  • Arghaeri

    In fact it is this state of denial about the current law by normal Koreans that has resulted in this anomaly still existing.
    When this has come up in the media instead of there being shocked outrage and demands for the legislature to correct this anomaly, there instead seems to be this mild reaction of its so ridiculous it can’t be true, followed by everyone carrying on as if nothing was amiss.

    As such the only people responsible for permitting sex with minors in Korea are the Korean people themselves. Don’t blame me for the state of the current law.

  • Arghaeri

    Your three year old niece is the only non-lawyer you know who can read Korean, remarkable.

    Can I just ask, your being a non-lawyer and all that, and clearly unable to read korean, how exactly do you know your niece can read Korean. Did you ask a lawyer to confirm it!!

  • Arghaeri

    As to the second point your ignorance is truly shameful.

  • Bob Bobbs

    Sure. Sure I did.

  • 8675309

    Thank you wk. I stand corrected.

  • Tapp

    State’s rights and laws and federal law are a huge can of worms in the US. Federal law does trump state law, but federal age of consent (and most other laws) only apply if you cross state lines. This would be almost impossible unless you were literally having sex on the state boundary line. Federal law also covers Americans that are abroad… no state laws apply internationally that I’m aware of.

    Creating pornography with anyone under 18, regardless of consent laws, is not legal in the US or by US citizens in other countries. So it could be perfectly legal (depending on state) to have sex at 16, but if you record it, you’re breaking the law.

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    Federal law does trump state law, but federal age of consent (and most other laws) only apply if you cross state lines. This would be almost impossible unless you were literally having sex on the state boundary line.

    Not exactly. Conveniently enough, transporting a minor for such purposes is also a separate Federal offense.

  • 8675309

    “I do not support child porn, but if you ever have a daughter, I’m going to make sure she is actively recruited into Q’ Black’s next video.”

    In other words, you do support kiddie porn. You are a vile and disgusting scumbag and should be banned from planet earth.

  • Smithinton

    Because there may be a question of intent. This is the first that i’ve heard that the student was a a student of his school. Where did that come from? Other things I’ve heard is that the girl actually met him through an 18+ dating site, ran the camera herself, and showed the skill of a pro. While he may have technically violated the pornography laws, if he was tricked into thinking she was of age, it puts an entirely different spin on it.

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  • “Furious” George Rockwell

    If he were a white guy they’d be praising him. The single Black guy to get a piece of korean pussy without paying and he gets time. This is more proof that heterosexual Black men shouldn’t be going to Asia, the white man’s playground and Black man’s hell.

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  • Jay Wilson

    Don’t you get tired of bitching on every single website you go about how you didn’t get laid in Asia? As a fellow black dude living in Asia, your endless complaining about how no girls want you is pathetic, to say the least.

  • “Furious” George Rockwell

    You must not like women then. Black men can’t get laid in Asia, unless you like those fatass ugly expat bitches or you’re gay.

  • Jay Wilson

    No, YOU can’t get laid in Asia because you’re pathetic and likely socially retarded or lacking game. There’s a difference. None of the black men I know, including myself, have had any troubles, so speak for yourself.
    And secondly, it’s not so much whether or not you got laid that I care about. If you can’t get a woman, fine, that’s your problem but don’t you get tired of bitching about how you no women want you? You sound like a pathetic little child.

  • “Furious” George Rockwell

    No, most Black men that go to Asia cannot get laid while we watch any white guy with no social skills, money, looks, or game be treated like gods and have a new girl every night. If you debate me, you’re a faggot.

    Like i said, the Black dudes that do well in Asia are either gay or they like the ugly-ass expats just like the ugly-ass women they’d be dating back in the States.

  • Jay Wilson

    I truly feel sorry for you. I can see why no women, Asian or non-Asian, would want you. You sound like a joy to be around (sarcasm). None of the brothas I know have any problems in Seoul.

  • “Furious” George Rockwell

    Black people should leave Asia. all you do is make them money because Asians don’t hire Blacks and don’t sleep with us either. Asian women hate Black people just like the whites whom they worship. If you disagree, you are an idiotic coon.

    The “brothas” that you’re referring to in soel are a collection of homosexuals.

  • Jay Wilson

    In one single comment, you’ve managed to display both flawed logic and a lack of maturity. Again, it’s not hard to see why you’re alone and miserable. I will no longer be responding to you, as I refuse to fritter any more time engaging in conversation with a dullard.

  • “Furious” George Rockwell

    Yeah cuz you’re a faggot straight up. Eat my dick and balls hippy.