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- Continuing our campaign to make Chinese tourists feel more at home, the Chosun Ilbo warns that yes, Chinese do in fact understand what jjangggae (a Korean term of abuse for Chinese) means. To illustrate this point, another paper recently reported about a brawl in Yeongdeungpo between two Korean dudes and five Joseon-jok (three dudes, two dudettes) that the Joseon-jok claim began when the Koreans called them “jjangggae.” Which I’m not even sure is the appropriate ethnic slur in this case, given that the Joseon-jok are, last time I checked, ethnically Korean. Well, anyway, you really need to be careful nowadays, because the Joseon-jok are a sensitive sort:

경찰 관계자는 “조선족들은 평소 차별받고 있다고 의식하는 경향이 있어 사소한 시비도 폭행으로 번지는 경우가 종종 있다”며 “대림3동 사건의 약 80% 이상이 조선족 관련 사건”이라고 전했다.

- North Korea yesterday proposed that the two Koreas stop slandering one another. Seoul responded by telling Pyongyang to screw off.

- I have qualms about the US Congress getting involved in other countries’ historical disputes, although privately, it does bring a smile to my face when Japanese asshatery publicly backfires. That said, I have to ask, how did the Comfort Women issue get attached to a spending bill?

- So, which country topped the list of foreign criminals arrested in the Philippines last year (HT to Aaron)?

Topping the list of foreign nationals nabbed in the country are Koreans with 34 arrested, whose cases range from forgery, drugs-related crimes to heinous acts such as murder.
[...]
Koreans were followed by 23 Chinese, 19 Americans, three Japanese and two Germans.

Some 80 foreign nationals were arrested in the Philippines in 2013. Which sounds rather low to me.

- OK, if I hadn’t read about this story in the New York Times, I’d have assumed you were taking the piss:

Word ricocheted around the Korean enclaves of Queens, then onto the Internet, where it was picked up by Korean news media and sent in translation to the homeland. The situation inspired television news reports, an animated parody and on Thursday culminated in a summit on a Flushing street corner calling for a boycott: all because a McDonald’s had appeared to disrespect several older Korean people who treat a neighborhood branch of the fast-food chain like their living room.
[...]
On Thursday afternoon, several Korean community leaders hand-delivered a letter to a manager of the McDonald’s franchise at the corner of Parsons and Northern Boulevards, outlining their outrage that, over the past several months, the management has called 911 to oust older men and women who sit for hours hovering over a single cup of coffee. The dispute was reported by The Korea Times and this week by The New York Times.

To see what we’re talking about here, read the NYT’s earlier piece about this, ahem, culture clash:

For the past several months, a number of elderly Korean patrons and this McDonald’s they frequent have been battling over the benches inside. The restaurant says the people who colonize the seats on a daily basis are quashing business, taking up tables for hours while splitting a small packet of French fries ($1.39); the group say they are customers and entitled to take their time. A lot of time.
[...]
And though they have treated the corner restaurant as their own personal meeting place for more than five years, they say, the situation has escalated in recent months. The police said there had been four 911 calls since November requesting the removal of the entrenched older patrons. Officers have stopped in as frequently as three times a day while on patrol, according to the patrons, who sidle away only to boomerang right back. Medium cups of coffee ($1.09 each) have been spilled; harsh words have been exchanged. And still — proud, defiant and stuck in their ways — they file in each morning, staging a de facto sit-in amid the McNuggets.

I’m pretty certain if I and a large group of friends were to colonize an eatery here all day nursing a USD 1 cup of coffee—as if such a thing existed here—we’d eventually be asked to leave. And if we refused long enough, Seoul’s Finest would be called to the scene to encourage compliance.

At any rate, don’t the Korean churches, etc. have community centers where these guys can hang out and not spend money all day long?

Anyway, Christine Colligan, a leader of the Korean Parents Association of New York, is unhappy about all of this. Very unhappy:

“Senior citizens should not be treated as criminals,” said Christine Colligan, a leader of the Korean Parents Association of New York, as she stood outside the restaurant, her voice rising. “They should be respected.”

That morning, Ms. Colligan had contacted her sprawling network in the Korean community urging a “worldwide” boycott of the fast-food restaurant for the month of February. In a letter, she attacked what she saw as “stark racism” by McDonald’s: “We will teach them a lesson,” the letter said.

The silence you hear is me at a loss for words.

Anyway, if I write any more about this, I’m going to lose it, so read about it on your own and go to town in the comments.

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  • ryuNchoosk

    Do I have to return to America to save it from Koreans and their stupid idiotic supporters and politicians?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Elderly people generally suck.

  • ryuNchoosk

    Here is this ugly Christine Colligagan scag and she’s another one of those that promotes Korean food. Of course she wants to boycott Mcdonalds even when Mcdonalds has done nothing wrong. What a whench.
    http://www.wnyc.org/people/christine-colligan/

  • Fapitalist

    “In Korea or any other Asian cultures, the elder is treated like gold”? Are these the same elders that turn tricks for $20 (and less) by Tapgol Park because they are so poor and have nearly no public assistance?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    should be easy, the oceans have shrunk so you can just walk.

  • Wedge1

    Dude, that link is uncalled for. At least put an NSFA warning out (not safe for anything).

  • Wedge1

    If this happened in Korea, they’d have been booted long ago. However, in the U.S. they are now a certified victim group and deserve our full support and sympathy. Join the boycott!

  • cactusmcharris

    Would this happen in Manhattan, I ask you? I suggest not. And FWIW, they’re acting like cheap, entitled assholes, but you can find those anywhere, even in New York.

  • Guest

    I’d be embarrassed by their behavior, not publicize it further.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Shame? TODAY?! No one feels shame today. Where have you been living? Have you watched reality TV or music videos, lately? There is no shame in collecting welfare anymore; for some its a source of pride, even. People are now doing things no one would have ever wanted to be seen to be doing a generation or two ago; I point you to the Gay Pride parade in your city this year as exhibit A. Instead of shame, people feel entitled to be accepted, nay, respected, for whatever quirks, perversions, personality twists and faults they have. Its cool to be a victim, and there are real financial benefits to it, too.

  • seouldout

    I haven’t eaten at McDo in years. Today I shall.

  • RElgin

    Table squatting does occur in small business here in Seoul. I have witnessed the same here in different shops and it does cause concern with business owners here.
    The point missed by many is that there is a growing number of elderly in many countries like America and South Korea yet there are problems with the quality of life for these older citizens that are not being addressed. As one observer mentioned, here in Korea most men are forced to retire early and they end up with nothing to do all day. Add to this a very high rate of suicide amongst the elderly here in Korea and there is a stigmata attached to seeking mental care that one might want if they suffer from depression and the situation is not good.

    These events suggest that more thought needs to be done regarding the aging populations here and in the US.

  • PEIGUY

    I’d tell the head of the Korean Parent’s association to get off her high horse to begin with and stop sticking her nose in a place that has nothing to do with her association. Also, I’d tell her to look up the definition of racism in the dictionary (a Korean-English one if necessary) and ask her how telling loitering, non paying customers to leave is considered racism? They have plenty of options according to that story from Senior Community Centers to a Korean Community Center offering 25 cent coffee in the same neighbourhood.

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    I went today, and it was amazing. But very hard to find a seat because of all the students camping out at every table.

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    I really have to wonder how a guy knows this particular tidbit of information.

  • seouldout

    I suspect it’s what pushed him over the edge into fapitalism.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    I read it and thought citation, please, but I really didn’t want to see that substantiated even he could provide one.

  • gbnhj

    Several years ago, I stayed with friends in Hong Kong who told me that the Causeway Bay IKEA had a similar problem. On a visit there, I found that the food court was packed with old people. My friends said that, apparently, if you were old and Chinese, and looking for that someone special, IKEA was the place to go. You could order a bowl of soup or a cup of coffee and nurse it for hours, all the while trying to hook up with that blue-haired octogenarian at the next table.

  • seouldout

    “Some 80 foreign nationals were arrested in the Philippines in 2013. Which sounds rather low to me.”

    Those dopes didn’t have enough pesos to buy the get-out-of-jail-free card.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    old people seem to be like cockroaches

  • gbnhj

    And not simply that he knows it, but knows it well enough to quote the current free-pricing conditions in the park.

  • pawikirogii

    regarding japan: it seems obvious that the japanese have chosen a path of belligerence in order to show the world that japan is back on the world stage. instead of trying to make amends, japan has decided that it’s going to show their victims that japan ain’t gonna be pushed around. sooner or later, the us may start to wonder if america should get into a war to preserve the rights of the yasukunese to pay homage to war criminals. some say this is all politics but it ain’t political. this is a moral issue and righteousness is on the side of the koreans and chinese.

    btw, earth to chinese and korean foreign ministries, repeat the following over and over again to foreign journalists and do not ever mention apology again:

    1. remove the war criminals from yasukuni
    2. compensate forced laborers and comfort women.

    there’s lots of symathy for japan on the part of western journalists who specialize in asia. many of them are japanophiles. they understand they can’t come out and write pieces which openly support japan so they look for ways to contradict the koreans and chinese. for instance, the time correspondent, based in tokyo, wrote an article about comfort womem. his title? ‘why japan isn’t sorry enough’. that title is the very reason koreans and chinese need to move away from constantly using the word ‘apology’.

    fake news article by western journalists:

    ‘today the president of south korea, park gun hye, demanded an apology from japan, even though japan has, on numerous occasions, already apologized for it’s wartime behavior……’

    see? stop demanding an apology. limit your demands and repeat them over and over again. put the western journalist on the defensive for example, how can he argue against the demand to remove war criminals or compensate comfort women? korea and china, THINK!

    be clear. be concise. be persistent. be without demands for an apology.

  • pawikirogii

    budes mlady zemrjit? let’s hope so.

  • IAMIN YURI

    Is this the reason why Koreans are constantly harping on about age and health? So they can grow old and hang out in a McDonald’s?

  • SugarFruit

    :……given that the Joseon-jok are, last time I checked, ethnically Korean.”

    91.9% of Joseon-Jok think their mother country are China.

    http://www.yanbianews.com/bbs/zboard.php?id=sori&no=867

  • Aja Aja

    It’s truly bizarre the “Chinese do in fact understand what jjangggae ” story can even make the national paper.

  • brier

    Sure, with the discrimination they face in Korea it is not surprising. Why the Korean government is afraid of granting them f visas like the rest of the Korean diaspora, is beyond me. Hoards of locals won’t work in factory/industrial work, so they import cheap labor (outside of their co-ethnics in China) who don’t know the culture and language…. oh.. I get it now.

  • bigmamat

    Well perhaps the younger Queen’s Korean community should get together and pay the grannies and grampies heating bills so they won’t need to sit around in McDonald’s all day to stay warm.

    I understand that there are bars and other establishments in Korea that not only do not allow foreigners entrance they also have places that don’t allow over 40. Never been carded to see if I’m too old to hang.

  • bigmamat

    I was wondering where old people go to get laid.

  • sloppycho

    The only people I have sympathy for in the case of McDs v the 할아버지s are the people that have to deal with them day in and day out.

    But if this particular McDs had to close down then that would be a small victory in the larger war to get rid of this corporate peddler of obesity-in-a-bun. The Fast-food Industrial Complex – particularly the burger dealers are a blight on humanity.

    McDonald’s business model is one where they make billions every quarter by paying as little to their employees as they can so the employees are forced to go on welfare and have the American taxpayer pick up the tab. Walmart is the same.

    And of course they do their part in producing fat, poor and unhealthy people to dump into the nightmare that is the American healthcare network so the American taxpayer can subsidize their healthcare costs.

    American-style capitalism – gotta love it.

    And don’t get me started on that pedo-clown Ronald McDonald.

  • George_Smiley

    Ah, the memories. I left my heart in Tapgol Park.

    Seriously, dude.. WTF?

    LOL!

  • George_Smiley

    Over a decade of run-ins with Seniors in Korea…More than half, negative.
    HOWEVER… Point of order, Mr. Chairman.

    I doubt anyone would agree, but McDonald’s, to me is the gastronomical house of Satan. It is a scourge on the land and represents everything that I hate about all things corporate…it will corrupt your childredn and will keep us from winning the war.

    Here, for me, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    $1.09 coffees are on me this weekend, Bitches!

  • fapitalist
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  • seouldout

    Has Mayor McCheese been informed?

    Until someone threatens self-immolation I reckon McDonald’s can ignore this boycott.

  • wangkon936

    I hardly think appropriating one Micky D’s requires you to “save” America. You make it sound like these elderly Koreans are setting up their own MS-13 or something.

  • RElgin

    I agree with you too. I ate that stuff as a kid but then it was different in terms of calorie load and the absence of corn syrup sweetener.

  • wangkon936

    Well, as much as I like crabby and entitled old people as much as the next guy, I think McDonalds is a business and needs to make business decisions. Thus, these people need to be kicked out.

    However, having said that, we did have a case here in Los Angeles where a McDonalds in Koreatown Los Angeles had the same problem. Bunch of senior citizen Koreans appropriating all their seating for $1 coffee. So, what this particular Micky D’s did was set up a shaded patio area for the seniors to hang out in. Thus, their indoor seating went unmolested. This particular Mick D’s took this measure to keep positive relations with the community and considered that as a part of conducting business. Maintaining good community relations is a role that many consumer facing businesses take, so that’s why you will see little league team plaques on their walls, etc.

    This particular McDonalds may want to take on that kind of philosophy, especially given the negative press that’s been accumulating as of late. The current situation of the seniors appropriating perhaps half their seating is, of course, unacceptable. However, perhaps a mutually agreeable settlement can be reached, provided if the seniors and their representatives can be reasonable.

  • wangkon936

    Jjang!

  • cactusmcharris

    He’d just rub out the evidence.

  • Bulldozerbunny

    This ridiculousness is why we all love America! As old saying goes, “it takes all kind to make the world go round.” And the world still goes around to the beat of America.

  • Aja Aja

    Quite ridiculous in my opinion, this “boycott” thing. Those senior people need to be in community centers, not loiter around McDonald’s like they’re schoolkids after finishing classes for the day.

  • wangkon936

    The interesting thing these seniors say about the senior center is “I don’t want to go to a play with a bunch of old people.” It would seem like to me that those at the Micky D’s are in their 60′s and 70′s and not quite in the “waiting to die” mode whereas in a nursing or senior center facility the ages are more in the 70′s and 80′s.

  • wangkon936

    Well… if his chosen commenter name isn’t a dead give away to his guy’s outstanding moral character.

  • dlbarch

    The irony here is that I’ve always thought of that particular generation of senior Koreans — that hard-scrabble, tough-as-nails, heavy drinking, heavy smoking, trekked-from-Seoul-to-Busan-during-the-Korean-War generation — as particularly, even excessively, obsessed with a sense of propriety, self-dignity, and good form.

    There is none of that on display here. It would be harsh to say that these seniors have disgraced themselves, but where is the dignity in their behavior? The self-respect? The sense of propriety?

    I don’t know which is sadder…that these members of Korea’s “greatest generation” have behaved so shabbily, or that McDonald’s has become the center of their daily lives.

    DLB

  • setnaffa

    In fact, if you need to go to McD’s for coffee or company, there are other issues. But I digress.

  • wangkon936

    Yeah, it’s called getting old. There are now starting to be a lot of Vietnam War vets hanging out at Wendy’s and BKs. The issue with this particular Queens Micky D’s is the shear volume of seniors in it. The language and culture issue may be a magnifier as well. However, many fast food chains do have a fair amount of seniors sitting down and passing inside.

  • djson1

    Come on…since when did Ronald McD ever display any signs of pedophilism?

  • redwhitedude

    Perhaps they think like that because of the way they were brought up in China.

  • wangkon936

    Seems like these old folks are not really eating the food. Just drinking the coffee.

  • seouldout

    Gosh, ain’t that somethin’? And… ewww.

  • wangkon936

    Rob,

    Just FYI, but the correct deragatory term for Joseon-Jok is not “jjangggae” but “jjampong” (짬뽕).

  • cmm

    Stigmatatizing (to attach the signs of the stigmata) the mental ill… that’s just cruel.

  • seouldout

    Hey, what’s the deal with these Joseon-Jok getting upset by the incorrect derogatory term?

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    I’ll admit I never thought to research that topic.

  • redwhitedude

    Shouldn’t McDonald’s turn this into a business opportunity to cater to seniors. McDonalds in retirement homes??

  • seouldout

    Might work for seniors… who actually eat McDonald’s food.

  • wangkon936

    Well, the term “jjanggae” implies that they are full-on Chinese, not Korean-Chinese. I guess these particular Joseon-jok didn’t want to be confused with being full-on Chinese.

  • seouldout

    Geez, now you don’t want an apology.

  • seouldout

    “How dare you call me the c-word! I’m a g-word!”

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    You mean, turn McDonalds into Tim Hortons?

  • redwhitedude

    Tim Hortons or Dunkin Donuts. You do see them trying to compete with such chains.

  • Aja Aja

    OK, old people who have nothing to do, fine. But why is the Korean American organization getting involved in this, and how is this even racism? If they old people are taking up space and interfering with the business all day, then the business has the right to tell them to leave. What’s ludicrous is that a Korean American organization got involved in this, and they’re acting like the African American groups that organize boycotts with a drop of a hat. It looks really bad on all Korean Americans. They should stop now, before they embarrass the KA communities further.

  • Aja Aja

    Then they should go home where they belong and stop being embarrassing.

  • SeoulGoodman

    Doesn’t surprise me at all. The first year I was here I was waiting by the entrance of Takpol park when I saw an elderly man approach an attractive young woman and whisper something to her. The look of disgust on her face said it all.

  • Aja Aja

    “Why the Korean government is afraid of granting them f visas like the rest of the Korean diaspora, is beyond me”

    The government of China is totally against that ideal, and South Korean government want to avoid diplomatic confrontations with China.

  • SeoulGoodman

    Wouldn’t have happened in Canada. They actually give out free refills (McDonald’s is competing with coffee shops, there). The youngest people you’ll see in a McDonald’s in the morning are the middle-aged employees.

  • SeoulGoodman

    You clearly haven’t been to a McDonald in the Maritimes in years.

  • catmando1980

    Old age is very contagious,too. Sooner or later most people catch it.

  • catmando1980

    He’s thinking of Burger Chef-he was always hanging out with Jeff.

  • brier

    Makes a lot of sense as an explanation.

  • Arghaeri

    That’s cos they have no teeth!

  • Arghaeri

    Uhm, stating the obvious since it was New York!!

  • George_Smiley

    After that article…

    I’m never getting a woody again.

  • Arghaeri

    Don’t see it much now, but used to be many that wouldn’t allow Korean’s.

    As to age most definatetly have been informed not to bother if over 30 at some nightclubs.

  • setnaffa

    Agreed. It’s just sad so many folks haven’t got a better place with better coffee…

  • Aja Aja

    The more I read about this and the more I think about it, it pisses me off. Since when did those old people and the KA action group in New York become like that? I don’t know what’s going on with the KA society in New York for them to start behaving like the 1990′s Al Shapron and company, but I have a hard time believing any people of Korean Americans or Koreans supporting this. This is ridiculous. Please stop embarrassing the vast majority of Korean Americans by bringing unwanted attention to this farce.

  • RElgin

    He does seem McCreepy™ though, as too many clowns do.

  • RElgin

    Man, I don’t want to know.

  • Dokdoforever

    They just need to make a community center in Queens for the old folks to hang out.

  • Horace Jeffery Hodges

    I represent that remark!

    Jeffery Hodges

    * * *

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    The U.S. has social security benefits, which may not be huge, but it’s enough to live on. Most cities also have senior citizen centers. Quality of life is up to the individual as well. Some older people volunteer or join senior sports leagues, while others lock themselves inside and fester in their own bitterness.

  • KWillets

    It happened again! Yet another “large order” at McDonald’s has caused controversy on the Internet. This time, a group of young people in Korea gathered at their local McDonald’s restaurant and ordered an obscene amount of french fries. These kids could be described as mischievous or simply hungry, but either way the end result of their fry ordering rampage was a row of tables filled with greasy fried potatoes that cost 270,000 won (US$250) in total. After witnessing the mound of french fries in his store, a McDonald’s worker decided he had had enough of these shenanigans and told the kids, “Stop causing trouble, you brats! Get out of here!”

    http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/02/28/kids-in-korea-order-250-in-french-fries-piss-off-everyone-at-mcdonalds-and-on-the-internet/

  • SugarFruit

    The discrimination they face in Korea??????

    No Mu-Heon took as our own without even checking their criminal records (to this date this is still a mystery how No could have abolished finger printing), granting them working visas.. Currently only one third of Joseon-Jok remain in Yeon-Beon (where most of Joseon-Jok live), China.

    Crimes comitted by Chinese and Joseon-Jok have always been the greatest.

    http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?mode=LS2D&mid=sec&sid1=102&sid2=257&oid=001&aid=0006504752&viewType=pc

    Koreans living in Dae Rim Dong (where most of Joseon-Jok live) can not go out after 7pm fearing for their life.

    http://www.godemn.com/xe/index.php?mid=seek_truth&category=17675&document_srl=134845

    And you are saying they are discriminated by Korea?

  • SugarFruit

    Even the Jews become 110% Chinese if they live in China for 3 generations.

  • ryuNchoosk

    It’s not just about “elderly Koreans” as of late, it’s about the sicko’s that stand behind them for sicko reasons and the behavior of other Koreans behaving in a sick manner. I’m still waiting for the Korean supporters to stand up for the morally correct Koreans in America that aren’t there illegally by ridding the U.S. of illegal Koreans. I’d check loitering Koreans ID’s if I were the police no matter their so-called “golden” age which Americans are apparently suppose to adhere to. Age before the law in America where Koreans hive and when so-called Korean Americans choose.

  • seouldout

    Though they are inconsiderate gluttons, I support the kids here. They are legit customers, more so than those table-parking seniors in the States. To my knowledge McDo hasn’t limited the number of fries that may be purchased at any one time. If their behaviour is rowdy they can be told to keep it down, and if they refuse to comply McDo ought to demand they leave.

  • pawikirogii

    actually, he’s putting his foot in his mouth, sir.

  • ryuNchoosk

    McDonald’s boycotting Koreans, the McDonald’s owner/manager must be thrilled. How stupid is this wench Christine Colligan(leader of the Korean Parents Association of New York)? It’s not like McDonald’s will miss these piddly spending “gold” Koreans. If she had half a brain she’d lead a sit in. DUH!!!

  • SugarFruit

    “……took THEM as our own…..”

  • bigmamat

    Yeah that’s cause they don’t want a bunch of old farts in their establishments creeping out the young women. Although it is pretty harsh considering young guys really just need to show up to get laid.

  • bigmamat

    I believe someone else said they had one. You really can’t herd old people like cattle. They used to young and human. Some of them still have a mind of their own and don’t want to warehoused.

  • silver surfer

    One certainly would think from Christine Colligan’s rhetoric that McDonald’s was boycotting Koreans…

  • ChuckRamone

    Are you an American of Anglo extraction who has been in the country since the time of the colonies or a Native American? If not, STFU.

  • ryuNchoosk

    I’m descended from continental Eurotrash like Russians, Greek/Turk half-breeds, and Nazis, yet I’m uppity enough to look down on gooks and spics.

  • outofspace

    I agree with you in principle but have trouble thinking of what more could be done in this specific situation given the below.

    From the original NYT article:
    “Yet there seem to be no shortage of facilities that cater to the elderly in the neighborhood. Civic centers dot the blocks, featuring parlors for
    baduk, an Asian board game, and classes in subjects from calisthenics to English. Mr. Lee, who comes to the McDonald’s from Bayside, passes several senior centers en route. One is a Korean Community Service center in Flushing, which recently changed a room in the basement into a cafe with 25-cent coffee after its president, Kwang S. Kim, got word of the McDonald’s standoff.

    No one has come.”

  • m0tbaillie

    Self-respect? Sense of propriety? This *is* the same generation of seniors we’re talking about who you find farting, spitting, belching, and throwing elbows in public, right? Right.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    You call yours a woody? What is it, 2″ when erect?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    you sound like a commie who thinks he has all the answers and perfect judgment.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    McD would have no problem if these decrepit fogies ordered meals. But the point is they order almost nothing and think they are entitled to sit around for nothing.

  • redwhitedude

    Who would have thought of geriatric prostitution?

  • redwhitedude

    He requested that she buy him coffee?? Apparently he wasn’t a billionaire.

  • redwhitedude

    Future diabetic patients.

  • seouldout

    Here’s a hint: starts with a “k”, ends in an “a”, and rhymes with gonorrhea.

  • ashley

    Definitely nothing to do with parenting or ability to think about the inconvenience caused by one’s actions on others. We definitely need more self important Korean kids in this world!

  • ashley

    Like the Korean kids ordering vast amount of fries hurting business and causing inconvenience, these Korean elders are also displaying the same childish behavior.

  • JACL

    No, it’s the generation that fought through a civil war, saw their parents, brothers, and sisters die, who found themselves living in a country that was left with nothing, and they themselves, left illiterate and destitute. It’s the generation that fought their way up from this, educated their children, and turned Korea from one of the poorest countries to a vibrant, modern state. My grandparents are a part of that generation. Neither they nor their friends are like anything you’ve described. But hey, don’t let my opinions get in the way of your small-minded, mental masturbatory efforts. You obviously get off on it, so carry on.

  • m0tbaillie

    Oh please, you give the so-called “Greatest Generation” far too much credit. Point blank, Korea would not be where it is today without the coddling and cocoon-like security blanket that the US has provided. This country has been handed billions in US tax dollars over the course of the last 6 decades to enable it to get to where it is now. That same generation of seniors has also largely squandered what money they did save on private schools and lavish weddings for their children (amongst other coddling; http://www.koreabang.com/2013/stories/seniors-sacrifice-retirement-savings-for-their-adult-children.html) and that same group has now generally become a burden – rather than a boon – on their children (within the context of Korea)…by the admission of Koreans themselves. Mental masturbation? Yea, okay, if you say so…

  • http://www.rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    Yeah, what he said.

  • George_Smiley

    Salaryman expressing interest…

  • http://f5waeg.blogspot.com/ F5Waeg

    This will be great to laugh about in later years, especially as it just won’t happen: when most of our generation get old and gnarly we’ll still be hanging out in internet forums and comment sections

  • http://www.rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  • redwhitedude

    Really? I thought it was the Japanese???

  • sloppycho

    A commie?? Better Red than a 400 lb ‘murican, right? lol!

    No, but seriously, McDs is a Corporate Welfare Queen (and Walmart) of the worst kind. They don’t make a better product but instead rely on this shitty practice to increase profits.

    I’ll just quote from the article directly…

    This issue has become more known as we learn just how far some companies have gone in putting their employees on public assistance. According to one study, American fast food workers receive more than $7 billion dollars in public assistance. As it turns out, McDonald’s has a “McResource” line that helps employees and their families enroll in various state and local assistance programs. It exploded into the public when a recording of the McResource line advocated that full-time employees sign up for food stamps and welfare.

    Now, I don’t know you personally but based on your 1500+ comments on the hole – in little over a year (bravo btw, bravo!) I can make a guess as to what your stance would be on Welfare (public/corporate)… and my guess is you’d be – against it.

    McDs is not only a corporate dealer of sub-standard food, they are corporate thieves being allowed to pick-pocket the American taxpayer in broad daylight.

  • RElgin

    “a room in the basement”!?
    I don’t think I would go there either.
    McDonald’s should consider something innovative like giving them 10-cent take-out cups and teaming up with a local place that has windows and light instead of a basement; geez!

  • RElgin

    I’m holding my breathe . . .

  • sloppycho

    It’s the optics! And who ever came up with the idea of Ronald McDonald House is either clueless or a closet pedophile – albeit with a wicked sense of humor.

    Ronald McDonald House – a place where terminally sick and vulnerable kids can come and be taken care of by this gentle, perpetually-smiling clown with abnormally large feet and great fashion sense.

    I’m sure some in the pedo-community have been inspired to make their own…

    An internet High-five to the first person that can name me an example of someone whose Bad. It don’t matter if you’re Black or White… People like this most likely think themselves Smooth but they’re just Criminal.

  • wangkon936

    There is a long laundry list of countries that took American aid and security and got absolutely nothing accomplished with it. South Vietnam is one, the Philippines is another. Cuba is yet another and so is Iraq and Afghanistan. Comparative analysis would indicate that the American experiment in South Korea was highly successful and the involvement of Koreans in making it successful played no small part. If it was the results American efforts only then why didn’t South Vietnam, the Philippines, Cuba, Iraq and Afghanistan become just as successful?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I did not know about the McResource line. Still, I support the right of every business to pay their labor what it is worth. And I do no draw a connection between this and, in principal, receiving assistance, for assistance should never, under any circumstances, be given to anyone, private or corporate.

  • outofspace

    I’m sure, out of the numerous facilities in the area mentioned, at least one of them has a space with windows and light available. As well as coffee. The seniors themselves have admitted that they have no special reason to gather at the McDonald’s, other than that they’ve been doing it for so long and it’s a matter of principle to them.

  • sloppycho

    It’s been McResolved! Cooler heads have prevailed, thankfully.

    It only took a State Assemblyman – Ron Kim and US congresswoman Grace Meng to do it but it got done. 👍

    This is the McResolution…

    the owner, Mr. Jack Bert, has agreed to:

    1) Extend sitting hours for seniors except high-traffic hours (11am-3pm);

    2) Post signs to communicate in both Chinese and Korean; and

    3) Work with our office to resolve any future conflicts and do not call the police; and

    4) Collaborate with local senior centers in providing transportation to and from the restaurant.

    In response, the Korean seniors have agreed to abide by the new hours posted and to utilize the transportation provided by the Korean Community Services Senior Center to utilize their spaces during high-traffic hours.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    WTF is this? The only resolution should have been to have the police ENFORCE STANDING LAWS on loitering and start fining the old bastards, and should they refuse to pay, arresting and jailing them. McD is under no obligation to resolve this in any way, they are entitled to have the laws enforced against loitering cockroaches. The Korean seniors should not be “agreeing” to anything as they are not in any way a party to nagotiating with. Fine, arrest and jail them. And have immigration check their status and deport the illegals.

    Why is McD supposed to provide them with transportation?!

  • sloppycho

    I know bro, right? WTF! The SWAT team should’ve been called in to bust some heads. NYPD in Queens are a bunch of pussies!

    Look here how they beat this old Chinese man after they ticketed him for Jaywalking.

    Now that’s how you do this! Bust some heads, right bro?

    No speekee da English? bam!

    That’s what I wanna see! Right bro?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    No need for a SWAT team. Simply a cop on his beat handing out tickets to law breakers. Are these parasites above the law because they be minorities and old?

  • sloppycho

    You’re too nice Salaryman,

    I’d of sent a team of attack dogs in to drag them out. Then take a baton and give them an NYPD proctology exam right there on the sidewalk.

    Living in Seoul has made you soft my belorussian brother.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Again, what is the problem with a single cop walking in to warn offenders they would be fined and asking them to leave and actually fining those who do not? Is this not a legitimate function of police? Are the seniors not loitering? Does the business owner not have a right to ask them to leave the premises especially if they are causing economic harm to the business? There is no need for SWAT or dogs and can be handled peacefully if heads are used; which, admittedly, is not something one may expect out of pigs these days in America.

  • sloppycho

    It’s funny, I had you pegged as a “cops are pigs” – “fcuk authority, rules were meant to be broken” – type of east european who grew up under the godless yoke of communism. In 30- 40 yrs I can see you doing the same “thumbing your nose” at authority. Heck, you pretty much do that now, no? Being argumentative, trying to win meaningless internet arguments, not really listening to anyone…

    These seniors are your role models, bro! Revere them! for they represent your future!

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    These seniors are entitled fools. I can’t stand entitlement. I despise the pigs in practice but I see a legitimate role for them to perform. That they have turned the US into a police state and are generally violent assholes does not take away from the fact that there is a role for the police and that they can do peacefully much of what they do violently these days. One such function is to enforce the rights people have to decide who can and cannot stay on their property; especially since this is not a new problem and continued requests by the property owner have been ignored. I find it ridiculous that not only can McD not have simple laws of loitering enforced, they have to plead with the squatters and placate them. I would, if I were the McD manager, treat them as intruders and shoot them dead if the pigs can’t handle the job themselves.

  • sloppycho

    You had me all the way up til…

    I would, if I were the McD manager, treat them as intruders and shoot them dead if the pigs can’t handle the job themselves.

    Deep breaths~ Deep breaths! lol!

    Salaryman, don’t ever change. You are worth the price of admission to this blog.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    People have the right to defend their property.

  • sloppycho

    oh, and always get the last word in. 😉

    Peace be with you my brother.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Do people not have the right to defend their property? What would you say to a home owner getting ribbed? Is this essentially different if their loitering and trespassing are causing real economic damage? Is this really different from an intruder taking off with the family valuables?

  • sloppycho

    All I’ll say is if a “home owner is getting ribbed” then I hope they’re tasty.

    You’ve made me hungry now. I’m out. Till we meet again mon ami.

  • cactusmcharris

    Yes, we know you’d go all Rambo on ‘em – it’s a tiresome song you sing, sir.

  • ryuNchoosk

    They probably live in basements, no difference to them.

  • ryuNchoosk

    But Korea is still sucking off the tit, give Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Phlippines 60+ years of sucking. I don’t see a comparison with Cuba and Vietnam.

  • ryuNchoosk

    I DID NOT WRITE THE ABOVE COMMENT, somehow I think that if I had it would’ve been deleted/censored. YET IT’S STILL SITS AFTER 2 DAYS.

  • ryuNchoosk

    What do you expect from Ron Kim and Grace Meng?

  • IAMIN YURI

    is it possible someone logged in as you? that’s weird

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Jesus, THAT’S a loaded question. I will tell you what I expect from Democrats: welfare, entitlement and complete and utter trampling of the rule of law.

    “1) Extend sitting hours for seniors except high-traffic hours (11am-3pm);”

    -So McD is no longer a business geared towards making money, but it has now become a community center catering to old people and providing them with extended sitting hours free of charge. AND at the TOTAL expense of the business. This takes Democratic wet dreams about an all encompassing welfare state to new heights.

    “2) Post signs to communicate in both Chinese and Korean; and”

    Again, at the total cost to the business.

    “3) Work with our office to resolve any future conflicts and do not call the police; and”

    No. Do not call the police. When a crime (loitering and trespassing) is being committed, do not call the police. Why? Well, I guess because mooching off a business, taking over its premises is not a crime at all, it is some sort of Fight For Social Justice. That the CRIMINALS are the same nationality as these two slimeball politicos helps.

    “4) Collaborate with local senior centers in providing transportation to and from the restaurant.”

    Yes, pay for it as well. I am sure the publically funded senior centers need some injection into their budgets. What better way than to squeeze Big Bad Business for hat injection.

    Now let’s see what the Koreans will be offering up in return:

    “In response, the Korean seniors have agreed to abide by the new hours posted and to utilize the transportation provided by the Korean Community Services Senior Center to utilize their spaces during high-traffic hours.”

    Oh, they have kindly agreed to continue mooching off McDonald’s. GREAT!

  • ryuNchoosk

    Where was Ron Kim(Assemblyman), Grace Kim(U.S. Congresswoman), and Christine Colligan when this Korean club(Circle) in Times Square was fined for discriminating against non-Koreans? I tell every Korean I meet going to New York to visit about club ‘Circle’ because they would probably feel comfortable there even today since it probably just found other new and less obvious ways to discriminate.
    http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130627/times-square-theater-district/times-square-club-fined-20k-for-barring-non-korean-patrons

  • ryuNchoosk

    Correction: Grace Meng

  • ryuNchoosk

    I do not look down on gooks and spics nor am I Eurotrash from…

  • sloppycho

    I’m thinking those club-goers that got discriminated against aren’t the type that vote in local elections in their district… way out there in the flushing ghetto. whereas Korean/Chinese seniors and their enablers…

    Circle is famous for that. It’s surprising it took them this long to get fined.

  • ryuNchoosk

    “Mcdonalds corrupts children” it doesn’t necessarily make children obese so what do you mean? Will it make them lie, cheat, and steal?
    http://www.kitchendaily.com/read/study-fast-food-consumption-does-not-cause-childhood-obesity?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl11%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D431885

  • wangkon936

    South Vietnam must have been the most expensive American military excursion of the 20th century. It was also America’s most costly failure as the South Vietnamese government couldn’t rally enough support from its people and the South Vietnamese military wasn’t an effective compliment to the American military.

    Cuba was “liberated” by the Americans from Spanish rule in 1898, was essentially a U.S. dependency until the mob backed government of Batista was overthrown by Castro. Given that the Batista government was ineffective, they allowed themselves to be an unsinkable Soviet aircraft carrier, off the coast of Florida throughout the 60′s.

    Net expenditures to keep U.S. forces in Korea (without reducing military personnel) is about $2.3 billion a year. Not really that much in the scheme of things. Tens of billions of dollars are wasted on entitlements and well over a trillion dollars have been spent in Iraq and Afghanistan in just over a decade, I don’t see anyone bitching about that here. I wonder where people’s priorities are.

  • wangkon936

    Tying lose ends:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/mcdonald-flushing-seniors-reach-seating-deal-article-1.1585819

    Looks like ryuNchoosk won’t have to come back to ‘Merica to save this particular McDonalds from the Koreans after all.

    Also, Mr. DLB’s absolute smack down of the elderly Korean generation could use some self reflection and moderation given their swiftness at finding an agreeable conclusion?

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