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South Korean ADIZ To Expand

air-defenseThe South Korean Government will announce the expansion of their Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) this coming week.  The expansion includes the southern islands of Marado and Hongdo, as well as the Ieodo Ocean Research Station and is in response to the aggressive behaviour of the PRC’s attempt to extend it’s own ADIZ over islands whose ownership they are contesting.

The PRC has already expressed its “regret” over this decision to expand the South Korean ADIZ, (since maybe they feel they did not expand theirs enough?)

Though the South Korean Government does not wish to act rashly, action is needed at this time:

. . . Hong Hyun-ik, a senior researcher at the Sejong Institute, said, “As China takes toll on South Korea, we have no option but to declare our expanded air zone. . . A lukewarm response could send a signal that we may make a concession on our own territory,”.

I note that a joint naval drill will be taking place tomorrow between South Korea, U.S. and U.K. forces in the area south of Chejudo.

photo credit: 대한민국 국군 Republic of Korea Armed Forces via photopin cc

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  • Sinister

    Suprised to hear that the UK are involved over here. Blair, Cameron and other useless British political scum have really downsized the British Navy. We don’t even have a proper aircraft carrier now FFS!

    OK, Britain does have world class submarines with nukes, arguably the best special forces in the world, a brilliant and a very talented air force, but we need a few big and bad proper boats too.

  • dlbarch

    So I guess this means that PGH’s warm and cozy Ahn Jung-keun/Harbin statute crap hasn’t really paid off then.

    Oh, well.

    DLB

  • RElgin

    True, sadly. That Darling Class destroyer is not up to snuff and is more likely to be target practice for another’s navy.

  • Aja Aja

    They should not do this, unless they are really ready to enforce it. This could also inflame Japan to expand their own ADIZ to include Dokdo. And now all three countries have expanded ADIZ’s that overlap each other’s. Is Korea ready to scramble their jets to shoot down Chinese and Japanese planes? If not, what’s the point, and why get yourself stuck in this mud?

  • redwhitedude

    Maybe at this point it is all talk. Nobody wants to escalate this through incidents with jet aircraft facing off.

  • redwhitedude

    I guess the chinese don’t really care about Korea.

  • redwhitedude

    The only way the UK is going to do anything is through the US.

  • namepen

    The Daring class destroyer is a world class warship, it is on par with the efforts of other navies.

    Importantly it is far more advanced than anything the Argentinians or Spanish have, so job done.

  • namepen

    Considering that our most deadly naval foes are Iceland and Argentina, I dont think we need a particularly large navy.

    That being said we have already begun delivery of the type 45 destroyers and the Astute class attack submarines. Not before too long we will also have two huge aircraft aircraft carriers, the Type 26 GCS and there are plans for up to 40 ‘sloops’.

  • RElgin

    Brits will not fight Argentinians again. If they go up against the PRC, for example, this ship will have a problem:

    . . . there’s a problem with the missiles. The Aster 15s are fine for a lone incoming anti-ship missile — the Aster 15 is highly maneuverable and functions as a both short- and medium-range defense weapon. But the missiles take up a lot of space and can’t be “quad-packed” into a missile tube.This reduces the number of available Aster 15s to a mere 20 missiles compared to the 96 missiles carried by the U.S. Arleigh Burke-class destroyers. The number is even fewer than the advanced (but much smaller) Sachsen-class frigates of the German navy, which carry 32 missiles — and that was already on the low-end. In the event of an enemy saturation attack — like a blitz but with anti-ship missiles instead of linebackers — the air-defense-focused Daring class could be in serious trouble (unless it has some friends to cover its arse).

    quote from Foreignpolicy.com

  • redwhitedude

    Also consider that the US dominates the sea so the main task of controlling the sea lanes and keeping the seas friendly is taken up by the US.

  • namepen

    The Type 45′s are built for air defence, at which they are arguably the best in the world.

    The article fails to mention that in addition to 20 Aster-15s the Type 45 also has 16 Aster-30s. The latter with a range of up to 120Km and has been proven effective against oncoming missiles. Soon (around 2016) the Type 45s will recieve the Sea Ceptor that can be ‘quad-packed’, this means they could install a further 48 missiles.

    In terms of swarm attacks the Type 45 will likely be at an advantage compared with the US and other Euro navies as it uses the SAMPSON radar. The radar has a far, far longer range than the US destroyers (400 km) and can track hundreds of targets at the same time.

    That being said thanks to geography the UK along with the EU will never have to worry about a rising China militarily. In fact the UK is busy trying to become China’s new european BFF.

  • RElgin

    Good news then. That is a nice radar system from what I have read too.

  • namepen

    You should read up on your Corbett, no one controls the sea. As big as the US navy is the vastness of the worlds oceans mean that they will never have enough ships. This was true in the age of steam and in even more so in the age of the ASBM.

    That being said you are completely right in that the RN is essentially built with US navy in mind. The RN is now a force that essentially can only operate as part of a US task force. Although that will change somewhat after 2020,

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    But be thankful: The money that once bought a globe-spanning Royal Navy and independent British policy is now available to pay for lavish social housing and welfare benefits for Islamic nut cases who hate you and would chop your head off in the street.

  • namepen

    I think the majority of British people would choose the NHS over 10 carrier groups.

    The Royal Navy was large back in the day when the UK was 24% of the global economy. Now we are just 2.83% of the global economy and as such we have a much smaller military.

    There are about 1 million brits living in various EU countries, many of them retirees. When we leave the EU and remove ourselves from our largest trade partners, what happens to them? Whatever happens in the EU will affect the UK, so we might as well have a seat at the table when it comes to making the rules.

  • Sumo294

    Why does China do it, when they are obviously not going to shoot down any planes?

  • JJ

    It’s a matter of time that China needs to stand up to tell the Japanese that Diaoyu Islands should be returned back to China. It’s already horrible that the Japanese had killed so many Chinese and yet refused to return the stolen war loot until now.

    Kudos to China

  • JJ

    How to take care, dude?
    The north is led by a lunatic and the south is another U.S puppet.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    Those Commies who were against building Jeju Naval base are still around…This is a wrong move for SK to bear the blunt of the Chinese ire. The US may back out at the last minute leaving SK to fight alone. The US and SK had better write this down. In the form of mutual defense treaty. Like a marriage certificate, if you don’t have it you are nothing. SK must push for this treaty and the delay of war time command transfer till year 2050.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    Pres. SungMan Lee asked the US to use any land in Korea as the US base and keep the wartime command. He kept SK from becoming VietNam. Now these stupid A*** announce Defense zone that it cannot defend!!! Make sure the wartime command is delayed and the US commit to the defense of SK “in writing” before making this kind of stupid move.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    For VietNam, Nixon guaranteed it in writing. But when he got kicked out the US congress did not honor it. So, this mutual treaty must come from the US congress not from Obama. And, the clause of the treaty should be examined carefully so that the US cannot change its mind. Otherwise, many will die for nothing.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    Chinese planes may fly into this “zone” en-mass and SKs may shoot thinking that the US will automatically back them up. No such thing. The US has never made that type of commitment. Actually, the US may accuse SK from creating trouble in the region. This is why this move is a stupid one. Just lay low and let the Japs fight the Chinks. SK must stay out of this war. And, the US as well.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    I don’t know which US general suggested this smart-alek idea to have Koreans fight the Chinks and Obama bought this. But this can easily turned out to be Obama’s Bay of Pigs. “The planes never came”! Whole Korean generals will turn 180 degrees and belong to The Great Chinks Empire. And, they will be the front troops attacking Japan. The US will be penny-wise and pound fooolish.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    Still talking about Dokto? China may take over Korea. And, the US may not do anything. 1910 all over again.

  • redwhitedude

    If SK truly were a US puppet the Koreans will be making up with Japan right now just as the US wanted. Also Chinese are not much better than the US minus the benefits that the US brings such as access to US markets, technology and so forth something that China is lacking. Odd that the Chinese are acting like US wannabes minus the softpower(which they have none since nobody around them truly likes them).

  • RElgin

    You mean “nobody around them truly trusts them”.
    A large portion of Chinese don’t trust their government either, and with good cause.

  • RElgin

    The Chinese Government is using this issue as a pretext for increasing public support for the CCP leadership – which is about as corrupt as any on the planet. Stealing these islands from Japan also is about acquiring mineral resources and oil, which is reportedly in the area.

    If you have the nerve and historical blindness to talk of Japanese killing Chinese WITHOUT considering Mao’s role in effectively killing a far greater number of Chinese in the 50′s and 60′s, then you are a fool to be so easily swayed by race and propaganda.

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  • RElgin

    I would note that even now, officially sanctioned Chinese historians and the Party are attempting to claim that Mao didn’t kill as many Chinese as he really did:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/17/world/asia/advancing-a-milder-version-of-maos-calamities.html?pagewanted=all

    . . . “Scholars disagree, but whether their estimate is somewhat higher or lower, that doesn’t affect the fact that the Great Leap Forward created a massive disaster,” Lin Yunhui, a retired party historian at the National Defense University in Beijing who has spent much of his career studying Mao’s time, said by telephone. “My own estimate is that there were about 30 million abnormal deaths.” Few if any mainstream historians place any credence in the revisionists’ claims, but they express alarm that the party, which in recent decades has tolerated more open research into the period, seems to be encouraging a retreat into deceptive orthodoxies.

    “I’ve long been maligned and attacked for my research, but now there are these people who basically deny that there was ever a mass famine,” Yang Jisheng, 72, a historian and former Xinhua News Agency journalist in Beijing who has been the main target of the attacks, said by telephone. He is not related to Yang Songlin.

    “Tombstone,” Yang Jisheng’s landmark study of the Great Leap Forward famine — published in Chinese in Hong Kong in 2008 and in a modified, abridged English-language edition in 2012 — is banned in mainland China but has been read widely there through smuggled and bootlegged copies.

    Talk about the Japanese failing to acknowledge their history? How about the CCP?

  • Anonymous_Joe

    RElgin: “The CCP merely, once again, is trying to rewrite history to give them justification for claiming land that they never claimed jurisdiction over – only recently claiming it since an oil survey showed positive results.”

    It Japan’s case is so strong, why doesn’t Japan go to the ICJ?

  • Sumo294

    Hmmnnn . . . I agree with one point–PGH will order planes to fire if push came to shove.

  • JJ

    Pew Poll reported that 90% of the Chinese supported what their government has done for them. Not sure where your statistic come from that a large portion of Chinese don’t trust their government. What is ‘a large portion’ then? 10million, 50m, 100m. Even if it’s 200million who don’t support their government, it’s still less than 20%. The other 1.1billion votes for Beijing is considered a huge landslide.

  • RElgin

    I can ask the opposite as well, if the PRC’s claim is so legitimate, why don’t they go to the ICJ?

  • JJ

    Making up with Japan and taking instruction from U.S are two different things. How on earth can the fierce loyal Confucians like Koreans will ever forget and forgive how their last Empress was tortured, raped and then murdered by the Japanese thugs. The very symbol of Korean pride and honor for their Monarchy for the last 2,000 years just crumbled like that horribly. Maybe Japan has to wait for 2,000 more years before all their sins can be forgiven.

  • RElgin

    I find nothing to support you claim, rather, when I go to pewglobal(dot)org, I find the opposite of what you claim:

    http://www.pewglobal.org/2012/10/16/growing-concerns-in-china-about-inequality-corruption/

    http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/19/environmental-concerns-on-the-rise-in-china/

    . . . and from the last URL, there comes this bon mot: “. . . more than half (Chinese) (53%) describe political corruption as a very big problem”. That means at least half of those polled have serious concerns about trusting their government.

    You are completely wrong as well as being a racist fool.

  • RElgin

    She would have little choice given the provocation.

  • JJ

    Your dirty mouth stinks to high heaven. Which word did I mention that is considered racist?
    On PEW Report, let me check where is the report that I had read before

  • Anonymous_Joe

    Absolutely. When I made a similar argument about a contentious issue close to (our adopted) home, one of the arguments made against Japan was why doesn’t Japan go t the ICJ about Senkaku/Diaoyu? The implication was that China wanted to go to the ICJ, but Japan wouldn’t because of their likewise claim that there was no issue.

    Sooooooooo, if China wants to go and according to your post that I cite (see above), then why doesn’t Japan if not take up China’s (supposed offer, according to Q, Pawi, et. al.) then press to go to the ICJ?

    From what you’ve written, Japan sounds like they’ve got a winner..

  • provIdence

    Unfortunately or otherwise, Japan’s territory was defined not by Japan but by the united nations, and Japan accepted the definition by the SF Peace Treaty.

  • RElgin

    You single out the Japanese as if they are an evil race and they are not. When I write about the amoral and downright evil of the Chinese Communist Party, I talk about the party, not the people as a whole.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    provIdence: …Japan’s territory was defined not by Japan but by the united nations, and Japan accepted the definition by the SF Peace Treaty.

    OK, then connect the dots: how would the ICJ rule if Japan and China consented to have the Senkaku/Diaoyu dispute settled?

  • provIdence

    As a Japanese, I would expect that the ICJ, as an organ of the UN, would give a decision in favor of Japan. That would be the reason why the PRC (or the ROK on its own issue) does not like to take the matter to the ICJ.

  • wangkon936

    I keep hoping if we ignore him he will go away.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    Denial is the longest river.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    The Nile is the longest river, although that isn’t quite so clear-cut*. Denial, though, is not a name of any river.

    *http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6759291.stm

  • Arghaeri

    Are you really that dumb!

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    So you are saying Denial is the longest river? Did you ever take a geography class? Opened an atlas? Looked at a globe? Or, are you invested emotionally in THE NILE’s status as the longest river and react violently and aggressively to the possibility that it may not be?

  • Arghaeri

    No, I’m saying you must be a complete moron for not recognising one of the oldest jokes in history.

    Denial = the Nile

  • bumfromkorea

    Okay, I feel like an idiot because I didn’t get that until you explained it. :/

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I would like you to prove that this is one of the oldest jokes in history. I would bet its a modern joke, not more than a few decades long.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    http://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/05/11/denial-not-river/

    It seems the joke is probably not much older than 77 years and in its current form it dates back to the 1980s. It is not, therefore, “One of the oldest jokes in history.”

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    http://www.wlv.ac.uk/default.aspx?page=18098

    Neither this joke, nor any of its variations, seems to make the list.

    in fact, there is a joke there which features the river Nile, but is is completely different:

    “How do you entertain a bored pharaoh? You sail a boatload of young women dressed only in fishing nets down the Nile and urge the pharaoh to go catch a fish.”

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Me either! We have the genius Arghaeri to explain jokes for us. Sadly, it is not, as he claims, one of the “oldest jokes in history” but really just a modern joke.

  • bumfromkorea

    Normal person: Huh? Denial? I don’t get it… Oh! De-nial, The Nile! I feel like an idiot for not getting that.

    Arghaeri: No prob.

    —-

    sociopaths: So you are saying Denial is the longest river? Did you ever take a geography class? Opened an atlas? Looked at a globe? Or, are you invested emotionally in THE NILE’s status as the longest river and react violently and aggressively to the possibility that it may not be?

    Arghaeri: No, I’m saying you must be a complete moron for not recognising one of the oldest jokes in history.

    sociopaths: The joke relies on the similarity of the word denial with the name of the river Nile, in Egypt. Now, for it to be “one of the oldest jokes in HISTORY” you would need to establish that the name of the river, “Nile”,as used by the ancient Greeks, Egyptians and Babylonians, and
    probably into prehistoric times as well, was similar to their name for the river, Nile (or another, long, river).

  • aligner

    Although I agree Salaryman’s reaction is extreme, I don’t believe in this instance it can be defined as sociopathic. It is more over-reactionary at having been called a complete
    moron.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Other than calling me a petty name, which betrays your petty intellect, you might try and show where I was wrong.