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Learning to Be Unhappy – Are Korean Kids The Most Unhappy in The OECD?

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Just what does this infographic mean?

According to Matt Phillips of Quartz, Korean school kids rate themselves as the least happy at school than any other country.  The above graphic shows the percentage of students that “agree” or “strongly agree” with the statement “I feel happy at school”.  Matt does an excellent job, using statistics and graphics to demonstrate trends and attitudes amongst Korean parents’s expectations for their children, as well as one of the highest rates of suicide in the OECD. This could be another reason to disband the KTU, since it would seem their students are not happy being at school.

Do read Matt’s most excellent post.

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  • Eric0912

    And this is the fault of KTU?

  • RElgin

    My satire, once again, escapes you and runs amok like a monkey.

  • Eric0912

    Oh yes it does.

  • seouldout

    Next time blame Japan too and it’ll be much clearer ;)

  • RElgin

    Maybe Japanese kids are fibbing a little bit. Who knows? This information is good to know if only to identify a problem and look for solutions. I always try to take time and talk to kids here, if they want because kids are cool and I respect their curiosity.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    Student happiness and test scores are inversely proportional: https://twitter.com/JustinWolfers/status/407914716627869696/photo/1

    If I had to choose, I will take competent people over happy idiots. Learning to be happy is easy. Learning basic skills later in life is not.

  • wangkon936

    Yes, but Japanese suicide rates (per 1,000) remains very high, just below Korea’s.

    http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2013/09/26/2013092601420.html

  • Mike Morgan

    Indonesia and Albania the most happy?

  • wangkon936

    Korea. Such the outlier in this regression.

  • wangkon936

    Dear Mr. Elgin,

    So, instead of Korea being, yet again, the OECD’s leader in PISA scores the headline instead is “Korea has least happiest kids?”

  • Angusmack

    Generally I would agree with you. Unfortunately, it appears that Koreans do have some problems “learning to be happy”.

    http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/topics/life-satisfaction/

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    It’s a process. Few outside of Korea realize just how shitty things were in Korea following the 1997 crisis, and how different Korea became after 1997. We are only 16 years removed from that catastrophic event, and early signs are emerging that Koreans are now learning to deal with the new reality.

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    Wait, your thesis is that Koreans were full of happiness prior to the 1997 crisis, and only became miserable after that crisis?

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    You know full well that I would never put my thesis in those stark terms, so why do you even do it?

    But overall, my thesis is that Korea’s “peak happiness” happened around late 1980s~early 1990s, and the general happiness level fell through a disastrous cliff after 1997, from which Korea has been recovering ever since.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I would say PISA is a curiosity that has little impact. On the other hand, the cost of getting those high scores is insanely disproportional to their significance. Sorry, but who cares about PISA when your kids are slaving away in academies until late night? I would rather be top 10 with a much better balanced childhood than #1 with nothing but study.

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  • http://www.rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    Would it be heartless to say that when you’re scoring as high on math and reading as Korean kids are, I couldn’t care less of whether they’re “happy” (whatever the hell that means) or not? I only wish American kids were as “unhappy.”

    Note to Elgin: I’m not the biggest fan of the KTU, obviously, but I’d argue the KTU is one of the few actors in the Korean education system that actually DOES care about student happiness.

  • wangkon936

    Taiwan is a real country. No matter how much China doesn’t want anyone to think so, it is a real country. However, because China doesn’t think it’s a country it can’t be in the OECD. Thus, we don’t get OECD level analysis on Taiwan and that’s too bad.

    Also, Taiwan is the only real country (I don’t count city states like Singapore as a “real” country) that tops Korea in the PISA scores. Taiwan also has happier kids than Korea. Thus, I would like to know how Taiwan is 1) getting higher PISA scores and 2) happier kids at the same time. That might actually be a good thing for Korea to learn from a culture that isn’t necessarily too dissimilar from it.

  • http://www.rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    Korea beat Taiwan 3–2 in the last WBC. There is nothing to learn from their pathetic non-nation.

  • Aja Aja

    Interesting cultural factor to note. Korea, one of the top scorers on the PISA tests, when asked how well they did, came last on the list for being confident that they did well. The US on the other hand, barely makes the mid pack level, yet they were one of the tops in the level of confidence that they did well. American kids pat themselves in the back for a job well done. Korean kids cry that they did so poorly.

  • Bob Bobbs

    You’ll take fewer of them, because 3.5 times as many of them will kill themselves. I would think factoring that into your equation was a ‘basic life skill.’

  • Aja Aja

    I can actually see that happening. When you start from a very low expectation level before 1990′s. Everyone was happy enough that they got three meals per day, and had roofs over their heads. Now a days in Korea, that’s not going to cut it.

  • Bob Bobbs

    You couldn’t care less about whether or not they’re happy. Not until the suicide-prevention guardrails on the bridges over the Hangang become so high that you can’t take spiffy shots of the Yook Sam Building anymore?

  • m0l0k0

    I hate the Yushin Propaganda that many koreans still have about “Korean Education”. Guess what Korean students placed 5th in the 2013 rankings. Even without such a sparta approach to education, we would be stuck at 15th in nominal GDP. All the violence, repression, Confucian style society, was all in vain, a natural superior ethnocentricity rising from inferiority complex due to post-colonial rule.

  • m0l0k0

    it has little to do with recent history. it’s not even to do with the school system. it’s the highly competitive society that students feel most pressure from and the night schooling. if anything, it’s a crisis of unrealistic parental expectations but what the fuck do I know the self proclaimed “The Korean” speaks for all Koreans and anything he says is right and everyone else is retarded.

  • m0l0k0

    you must’ve lived in a shitty part of korea, from what I heard there was always a high level of competitiveness that students suffered from. Especially until the millenia, teachers would beat teh shit out students.

  • m0l0k0

    this is a misleading statement that math scores and happiness is inversely related. there’s so many missing factors. For example, China could very well be lying given their track record. If anything, I hardly think if students became happier they would suddenly become stupid at math. It’s really the education system that brings out the best and Korean system does not do this, it’s aimed at putting it’s educational ranking at the top of the globe with little regard for the dwindlers. Its sort of like the olympics where most number of gold and medals hold a psychological effect over underperforming countries. China is particularly good at the ranking game.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    The_Korean: “If I had to choose, I will take competent people over happy idiots. Learning to be happy is easy. Learning basic skills later in life is not.”

    If I could choose for my children, I would choose happiness over competence. I’d choose for them a happy life driving a Matiz over a competent, malcontent life driving a Chairman. Happiness is highly underrated.

    Of course, we are talking about two different things: you are looking at the aggregate in the abstract, and I am looking at the individuals in the actual.

  • RElgin

    Expectations un-met and attachments? The effects of materialism?
    This has a Buddhist sound to it.

  • RElgin

    I may have to agree with you. I’m still learning and I’m never too certain of anything.

  • RElgin

    This data can not possibly portray reality, as it is, but it can be an indication of problems or things we, as adults and leaders, should be aware of and remedy. I try to deal with this sort of thing on a personal level and I am always worried that I am not doing enough or missing something.

    Perhaps this is a problem with organizations losing sight of the needs and concerns of the individual as opposed to the group. I suspect that the traditional Korean family is such a strong factor in the stability of the society because everyone in the group looked after each other. As more organizations occur outside of the family, the awareness of the individual within the organization becomes strained because maybe the group is so big and participation in the group demands so much that people lose sight of each other.

    I’m not certain that I am correct here but it is a thought.

  • RElgin

    That is good to know. I only wish they would keep ideology out of the classroom.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    Here is a sample math question from the PISA:

    PIZZAS

    A pizzeria serves two round pizzas of the same thickness in different sizes. The smaller one has a diameter of 30 cm and costs 30 zeds. The larger one has a diameter of 40 cm and costs 40 zeds.

    Which pizza is better value for money? Show your reasoning.

    I’ll bet over half the Hole gets it wrong. If you dare, state your answer and give a brief reasoning.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    Let’s see–I experienced all of the recent history, the school system, the night schooling, the high parental expectations first hand. Both of my parents were at one point public school teachers, and my extended family includes superintendents, principals and regular teachers. Holidays were spent debating educational policy.

    So yeah, clearly I know nothing about Korea’s education.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    On the other side of the ledger, make sure you include children who disqualify themselves by committing crimes petty and serious, use and abuse drugs, and get pregnant at age 15.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    Actually, happiness is incredibly overrated. People don’t live for happiness; they live for a purpose, for which they endure lifelong, crushing unhappiness.

    And just you wait–failure as a nation (or what you might call the “abstract aggregate,”) inevitably affects all individuals within it. This lesson tends to be lost upon people whose nation never failed them.

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    Purely anecdotal, but my conversations with Japanese my age lead me to believe they are not as status obsessed as Koreans when it comes to jobs. Taking over your father’s restaurant in Japan is a respectable career option. Maybe Japanese students are happier cause they know they won’t gravely disappoint their parents by failing to get a job at Sony.

  • Bob Bobbs

    At which point you will effortlessly revert to the identity with a different nationality that constitutes the other half of your schizophrenic personality.

  • Juniper

    Someone please preserve this quotation for The Korean’s gravestone inscription:

    Actually, happiness is incredibly overrated. People don’t live for happiness; they live for a purpose, for which they endure lifelong, crushing unhappiness.

  • http://www.rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    I’ll take suicide-prevention guardrails on the bridges over narcs and onsite daycare centers in the schools any day. And besides, it’s tough getting spriffy shots of the 63 Building from the bridges—too much camera shake from the wind and passing traffic.

  • Bob Bobbs

    Fun fact: they don’t actually have to jump off the bridge. One guy just climbed up on top of the trellis on the Hangangdaegyo, set himself alight with a jerry can and fell in flames into the traffic 30 feet below. I got some of his blood on my shoes.

  • Bob Bobbs

    You’re right. It’s way better having a police force that doesn’t do anything except clean up the bodies at major intersections, brainwashed people who think weed is as bad as heroin and red light districts at every train station where boys can get their rocks off while their fathers screw the panties off their middle-school classmates in yogwans for cash and fake leather handbags while they smoke and spit in the ashtrays.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    The_Korean: “Actually, happiness is incredibly overrated. People don’t live for happiness; they live for a purpose, for which they endure lifelong, crushing unhappiness.”

    Do you realize how fascist that (coupled with your next sentence) sounds?

  • Wedge1

    The 40cm one has 78% more area for a 33% higher price.

  • wangkon936

    Find area of each pizza and divide by amount of zed to get price per square cm. Which ever has the lower price zed per square cm is the better value.

    30 cm diameter pizza’s area is 706.5 square cm. 0.04 zed per square cm.

    40 cm diameter pizza’s area is 1256 square cm. 0.3 zed per square cm.

    The bigger pizza is the better value as it is less zed per square cm.

  • Bob Bobbs

    Fewer. Fewer zed. You fail English. And why aren’t Zeds capitalized and pluralized? What sort of clown wrote this exam?

  • Juniper

    Nice point. Actually, the particular phenomenon you’re describing (the Dunning–Kruger effect) has been studied in detail.

    The classic paper by Dunning and Kruger, Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One’s Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments, is well worth a read. It’s both fascinating and hilarious. Here’s an abstract:

    People tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities in many social and intellectual domains. The authors suggest that this overestimation occurs, in part, because people who are unskilled in these domains suffer a dual burden: Not only do these people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it.

    Conversely, participants in the top quartile tended to underestimate their ability and test performance relative to their peers. What accounts for this underestimation? Here, too, the regression effect seems a likely candidate: Just as extremely low performances are likely to be associated with slightly higher perceptions of performance, so too are extremely high performances likely to be associated with slightly lower perceptions of performance.

    http://gagne.homedns.org/~tgagne/contrib/unskilled.html

  • wangkon936

    I will admit that Wedge’s answer is more elegant than mine.

  • Robert

    Coming from the guy who doesn’t have any children, has no qualifications or experience teaching or counselling children, and, judging by his previous ‘thoughts’ on the subject, knows next to nothing about education.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    Wedge1: “The 40cm one has 78% more area for a 33% higher price.”

    That’s a statement of fact. So which is the better value?

  • brier

    Learning to be happy late/later in life is near impossible. Once a curmudgeon always a curmudgeon. Learning a skill from academia isn’t, as long as you have the intelligence. You have got it backwards.

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    “Actually, happiness is incredibly overrated. People don’t live for happiness; they live for a purpose, for which they endure lifelong, crushing unhappiness.”

    Well, you certainly live up to your screen name.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    I’ve come to realize that happiness is not only a skill but also a skill that should be taught. Although there appears to be a predisposition and a lucky few hit the genetic lottery, happiness can (to some degree) be nurtured and learned. A few years ago, Harvard offered a course in positive psychology, commonly called the Happy Class, which was one of the most popular in Harvard’s history. I wish that I had taken it, particularly as an undergraduate.

    I have two children. My son hit the lottery and wakes up happy. My daughter, unfortunately, has my genetic make up and is destined to curmudgeoning the future corridors here at the Hole. That is, if the world survives the inevitable collapse of financial markets, global warming, the radioactivity and polluting of the world’s oceans from Fukushima, the world’s unsustainable population boom, Korea’s unsustainable population bust….

  • m0l0k0

    Who are these so called “extended family” you speak of? I have “extended family” too, they created the educational policy you debated on holidays and it’s nothing like you’ve described.

    Please stop writing so much anti-korean bullshit by making up “relatives”, fuck you, my grandpa helped create the educational system you hate, you clearly know nothing about it because the people you talked to have no clue what they are talking about.

  • m0l0k0

    Fun Fact: Korea’s level of happiness boosted when The_Korean’s family left Korea.

  • m0l0k0

    I think if The_Korean had children they would kill themselves from drug overdose for not being competent enough before he does

  • m0l0k0

    Purpose is overrated in our otherwise impermanent life. Everything expires, so does your purpose and accomplishments when you die. I’d rather live a happy and content life then turn out to be some asshole fooling himself that he has some purpose in life, not realizing that nobody will give a shit.

    So if nothing we accomplish in life can be taken with us after we die, happiness is the only thing one should be striving for, not some salary or becoming a hero or please others, because in the end none of it matters.

  • m0l0k0

    hey now, not all of us are boring and lame like The_Korean, who seems like is approaching ajusshi-dom super fast-he’s kids are gonna love him.

  • m0l0k0

    The_Korean believes himself to be American whenever the heat gets too much. he’s just an immigrant armchair lawyer looking down on other Koreans from the high point which is American. This is disgraceful, gives Korean-Americans a bad name.

  • m0l0k0

    Wouldn’t be surprised if that was your own children. Father plays a big role in such cases.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    The correct answer is indeterminate.

    The question asks, “Which pizza is better value for money?” We do not have enough information to answer the question of value, which is subjective**. The question is at best ambiguous.

    The question is poorly written and makes me think that the American SAT and related family of standardized tests are much better written. The College Board rarely makes such a mistake (which appear once every five years or so and make national papers) because the College Board rigorously proofs its questions with multiple Ph.D’s from multiple disciplines.

    I wonder how well written the PISA is when I can find a bad question on PISA’s website, on the fourth question I looked at, with PISA’s own sample questions.

    ***********************************
    (** and requires knowledge of the consumer’s budget and utility for pizza in that time period.)

  • m0l0k0

    what’s funny is that at one point they had Korea’s level of hardship at school but the difference is that they stopped because it was not working.

    Beating the shit out of a grade 2 student because he can’t answer some math problem or when education becomes a warzone so much that the stress doesn’t bring out the best in people, and most importantly, students not really learning but memorizing so they can perform well on standardized tests. Professional test takers is what Korean education produces but that wasn’t the point, it was to produce creme de la creme of Korean population so they can work for the government. It’s the selfish expectation from Korean parents that their children is going to be holding a profession that is regarded highly in neo-confucius society, such as laywer, doctor, prosector, scholar that creates such heavy burden on the system. The Korean education system is filtering out the best of the brains that will serve the elite or whoever the fuck is running the country, not necessarily for the education itself. It’s the naive belief of generation after generation of Koreans taught to believe that one must come before society. One’s own benefit comes before society’s benefit. Society benefits from people specializing at what they are good at but unfortunately Korean society shits on people that have jobs that are unfavorable in the eyes of Confucius.

    SImply put, Korean students are unhappy because of unrealistic parental expectations that prevents them from preparing for careers that would put them in the lower or middle stratosphere of society. It’s sad because it’s a huge waste of human capital when smart koreans who should be building ICBMs are building retainers or a new chin.

    Korean society needs to change, it’s expectations need to adapt to the modern times, if it wants to be happy.

  • m0l0k0

    I can’t think of any other country where there is so much social stigma when it comes to the line of work. Sure, you clean dead bodies but someones gotta get it done and it doesn’t make you who you are as a human being. 둥수 from the movie 친구 said it the best: “그라모 평생 죽은 시체만 청소해라 이말인교?” He hated that his father cleaned dead bodies as a profession and was very ashamed of it because Korean society shunned it. That’s why he hated society and became a gangster.

  • m0l0k0

    but 11.5% of Japan’s suicide rate do not come from student’s killing themselves because of the stress from studying for a national exam which is caused by unrealistic parental and social expectations which shun 95% of the careers which Confucius does not approve.

    I don’t disagree that Japanese are not happy people, traumatic natural disasters not foreign invasions have certainly influenced their genes to accept fatalism as a way of life.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    India……?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Looking at the aggregate in abstract and totally ignoring or even denying the individual in the actual is what commies do.

  • m0l0k0

    This reminds me of a question I saw in Social Studies final exam in grade 2. I remember it because the it was so ridiculously ambigous. Regardless, I answered it correctly.

    “Which clothes are appropriate for school?”
    - 1) Gymsuits
    - 2) Suit
    - 3) Swimsuit
    - 4) None of the above

    The answer was 1), the gymsuits that they administered to all the kookminhakyo kids for physical activities. I remember the kid behind me answered 2) and I certainly do think it’s a more appropriate answer but this was not a private school. He cried and I asked him why, is his parents going to beat the shit out of him for answering the wrong question on a test? Is the teacher going to beat teh shit out of him? Is he going to beat the shit out of himself?

    Then I came to Canada a year later and my god, I really thought I died and had gone to heaven because teachers never laid a hand on you or threatened violence for mistakes. My biggest shock was when my classmate told the teacher to “go fuck herself” because I thought he would get murdered but nope, he had to go on a fucking time out and then he did it again and again. I heard he became like a thug in high school and never heard from him again.

  • m0l0k0

    what I want to know is what country uses the ZED currency what’s the hyperinflation like?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Yes, and how come you are replying to me? I agree. I actually think the PRC is not a real country and should be eliminated and taken over by Taiwan. The sooner we can destroy the PRC, crush the, crash their economy and trample all over their spirits, the better.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    You mean inculcating them in the grand happiness that is Juche?

  • m0l0k0

    You popped his cherry?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    TK forgot to mention that the State sets the purpose; and in his wettest dreams that purpose is to serve the Great Eternal Leader and study his Juche thought.

  • m0l0k0

    that’s such a striking difference. I like this part about the North American value system very much, not putting so much burden on the individual over their performance or scores and encouraging them not to burden themselves, instead have confidence rather than shame or guilt. You’d think people would be lazy and not try at all and you are correct but at some point this type of nurturing system brings out the best in the people at what they are happy with and what they are good at. A society that encourages individuals and in turn individuals leading happier lives making up a happier society as a whole. Common sense I think is North America’s greatest asset but not our southern cousin when it comes to guns or israel.

  • m0l0k0

    but India is exploring Mars and loving it! South Korea can’t even get to space without Russian help.

  • m0l0k0

    he’s talking about South Korea not North Korea silly.

  • m0l0k0

    What’s the worry Korea’s best test taker’s dream is to become an American citizen any day over Korean citizenship, all it takes is a vote.

  • m0l0k0

    You were right until you got to the “because everyone in the group looked after each other.” It’s more along the lines of “my family is best family’, “hurry son become doctor please” “father i cannot too hard” “son but you must” “okay i will try but i may die if i do not meet your expectation” “do it already”

  • m0l0k0

    Korea is barely past 2/3 of Taiwan’s GDP per Capita…from 2008.

    Taiwan also placed priority in education like Korea, had even less resources, had a bad northern neighbor. I think it’s time Korea re-evaluate it’s approach, it certainly isn’t producing the highest possible output if it can’t beat a Chinese renegade province.

    Taiwan is not a country, if it was why do they refer to it as it’s capital city and the biggest humiliation of adding china before it? Chinese Taipei certainly sounds like a city in China.

  • m0l0k0

    Republic of China and Taiwan is the same thing much as Republic of Korea and South Korea are the same thing.

  • m0l0k0

    The_Korean thinks happiness is for the weak.

  • m0l0k0

    I was thinking that he would caress gently Park Chung Hee’s back and learning the true meaning of Yushin all night long.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China People’s Republic of China.

    Taiwan, aka Republic of China. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan

    Now, squirt, run along unless you still want to argue that the People’s Democratic Republic of Korea = Republic of Korea

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    The KTU is a pro-DPRK faction that does actually teach Juche

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    How is that relevant to your statement about people cleaning corpses? In India, if your father is one, you will be one and you will be a total outsider, the lowest of the low. Here, its a JOB, there, its a fate.

  • m0l0k0

    Yes, I know PRC is China, ROC is Taiwan.

    I hope that my offense can be forgiven, whatever it is, if you could find it in your heart.

    DPRK is not ROK as PRC is not ROC.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    he hates Park. He is a leftist through and through and was defending the UPP last time he was here before he was run out of Dodge with his tail between his crooked little legs.

  • m0l0k0

    this is just a rumor, suddenly anyone leaning towards left slightly in korea is a communist but with Bourne Identity like organizations such as the RO, it’s no surprise. In reality people like LSKi watched too much movies and that’s their only crime IMHO.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    No, but people, and pay attention here, WHO TEACH JUCHE, probably are commies.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    You know, now. Helpful hint: when you see “People’s” in the name, its PROBABLY a communist country.

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    You realize, of course, that I’ve been living here more or less permanently since August 1990, don’t you? As near as I can tell, this is the happiest time ever in the history of Korea.

  • RElgin

    Some will gamble everything to achieve a greater purpose; may God grant them wisdom to know the difference between need and desire though.

  • m0l0k0

    Exploring space is of utmost importance than worrying about people in poverty.

    but India is not ROK I’m sure you know the difference.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    How will exploring space make people’s lives better? Its basically theft for some bragging rights

  • m0l0k0

    Do you have evidence that they teach juche? Did you see this happen? Where are you basing it from?

  • RElgin

    Wow . . . ^_^

  • RElgin

    Families do not look after each other!?
    Try again.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I’m basing it, hold on to your hat, on the news. As for your question, Google is not only sometimes, but nearly always your friend.

    http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2006072699278

    One more

    http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2006080296458

    “It has been revealed that the Seoul branch of the Korean Teachers and Educational Worker`s Union (KTU) has been promoting posters through its website that propagandize the military-first politics of North Korea, called “Songun” politics, on the bulletin board of classrooms. ”

    It appears that’s Juche AND Songun, From Seoul to Busan.

  • RElgin

    I hate pizza and buy chicken because I can count chickens.
    Problem solved.

  • m0l0k0

    but you quoted donga….

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I didn’t quote opinion. I quoted fact. Are you going to argue they run outright lies and open themselves up for libel suits?

    Junior, don’t bark at me. You can do your barking at TK.

  • m0l0k0

    Hey what do I know, maybe if I was reborn as a non-Korean, I’d have a better idea of what they are up to.

    but history says otherwise. so many people got killed for being labelled a commie, so many people got killed for collaborating against the Korean Empire and Japanese forces.

  • m0l0k0

    Fact that you read online with no verification? Did you call them up for an interview to confirm this is the case?

    I don’t see why questioning a source is a threat to you and I actually think you are a bigger nutcase than TK. You two should get a room and settle out whatever beef you have.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    are you really this dense? Its a major national paper’s website. It’s not a blog. Its from their archives meaning that no one has challenged this story and the KTU would go after them like rabid dogs if they could, including suing them for a retraction and injuries. Do you call the paper for verification on every story? Again, stop barking you little moron, you are embarrassing yourself.

    The fact is that the KTU has been teaching NK propaganda for a long time

    Here is another story from a different source

    http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2967531

    Do I need to call them to verify? Moron

  • m0l0k0

    holy shit TK was right, you are a 미친년

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    You have nothing. Ive just shown you two separate sources supporting my claim that the KTU has pushed NK ideology. Not blogs or fringe sources but two of the 3 largest newspapers in the country.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    why would hyperinflation matter? Both pizzas are priced in Zeds.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Would you be happy lying for a living? Every day, lie after lie after lie after lie….that kind of job must seep into your very insides and rot them from within.

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    “There is nothing to learn from their pathetic non-nation.”

    You’re smart, so I’ll assume the bit about being a non-nation was tongue-in-cheek.

    And there definitely IS something Korea can learn from Taiwan: manners. The Taiwanese are the most polite, considerate, even classy people I’ve dealt with. Nobody litters, cuts in line, pushes people, or gets irrationally angry in public. Everyone is considerate to everyone else. It’s like the Minnesota of Asia.

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    “Taiwan is not a country, if it was why do they refer to it as it’s capital city and the biggest humiliation of adding china before it? Chinese Taipei certainly sounds like a city in China.”

    Chinese Taipei is only used at international sporting events to keep the PRC from throwing a bitchy little hissy fit. It’s not humiliating to add China to their name since the people ARE Chinese. They are Taiwanese-Chinese, and should be proud of it.

    Taiwan is a sovereign country. It has been ever since the war with the PRC in 1947. They have their own government and infrastructure, just like every other country. The PRC has never ruled or occupied Taiwan. The PRC saying, “That’s ours” does not mean that Taiwan belongs to them. Why is this even arguable?

  • Sinister

    One of the pizzas may have sweetcorn, SPAM and a goguma crust. The other might be edible. The latter would be better value for money.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    superintendents = Maternal great-uncle (who was my de facto 외할아버지 since my actual one passed away when I was a child); 외삼촌

    principals = 큰아버지, 이모
    teachers = both of my parents, another 이모, two adult cousins, spouses of those two adult cousins.

    Yeah, they are all made up. Just writing novels here.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    I come from a 민주화 유공자 family, moron. Half of my family was prison in various times between 1960s and 1990s.

  • http://www.rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    The whole comment was tongue-in-cheek, Mike. It was a baseball reference.

    Now, if you really want to respond properly, you should note that even though Korea did beat Taiwan, Taiwan still advanced to the second round on run differential.

  • Aja Aja

    ah .. the grass is always greener on the other side. The last time I heard anything about Taiwan on news was when they were destroying Samsung TV’s with hammers in public because Taiwan was angry over Korea allegedly cheating in some Taekwondo match that Korean players weren’t even involved in. Yes, such rationality.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    Around your social class, I’d say that sounds pretty likely.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    Three upvotes for wishing death on children. Stay classy MH commentariat.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    Find your purpose; happiness follows naturally. It’s shockingly easy if you go through it.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    No. But putting happiness at the center of your life, and incessantly bitching and whining if you are not happy RIGHT NOW is a pretty strong sign for weakness.

  • Korean unhappiness

    Deferred gratification is important. The problem with this line of thinking here, though, is that Koreans’ profound unhappiness doesn’t end after school. For many, it continues right through their working, personal and family lives, as borne out by an astronomical suicide rate and any number of daily interactions that one is likely to have with an extremely stressed out and pushed around population.

    If Korean society is miserable on a vast scale, and it is, I would say it is time to take stock and question just what society is striving for.

    The notion that Koreans simply work harder than others for a greater purpose is, in large part, utter nonsense. The sad reality is that so much striving in Korean society is utterly meaningless. Anybody who has worked in a Korean office will know that great numbers of people work 60,70 and 80 hours a week for no good reason, with half of their time spent doing nothing, sleeping or surfing the Internet.

    Normal people can’t study or work effectively for 15 hours a day. Koreans are no different. This wasted effort serves no purpose and makes shells of people. It is a waste of life, and it is a culture that should die as fast as possible.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    The notion that Koreans simply work harder than others for a greater purpose is, in large part, utter nonsense.

    If you think I said that, you misread what I wrote.

  • Koreans’ unhappiness

    I don’t. I just think Koreans, having accomplished an economic miracle, need to now chill out just a bit and enjoy the fruits of their success. The fact that so much pressure is unnecessary and effort futile makes this a no-brainer.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    I agree.

  • Koreans’ unhappiness

    For the record, many Koreans I meet seem to over romanticize life in the West. But it speaks to how burdened people feel.

  • cactusmcharris

    Another fecal wet dream from you – you’re as you said you are, equipped with a great sense of humour.

  • RElgin

    This is easier said than done.

    I can hear music in my head but to play it requires need, desire, and the energy to draw this music into the physical world. This takes constant work as well.

    One important part of this statistical orgy in Matt’s blog that we don’t understand enough of is the parent’s role in helping their children discover a personal path to happiness.

    There is not one way or one solution. Telling kids to be a doctor, lawyer or engineer is not a solution but the simplistic desire of parents to find monetary success for their children – that IS NOT happiness.

    If parents spent more time understanding how they can help their kids find their “purpose”, path or even person voice, it still would not guarantee happiness but it would be a wiser approach, IMHO.

  • wangkon936

    “Minnesota of Asia.”

    Hahaha… yes, but not everybody wants to live in Minnesota or with Minnesotans.

  • wangkon936

    Perhaps, but I still got the question right… according to PISA, that is:

    http://pisa-sq.acer.edu.au/showQuestion.php?testId=2296&questionId=4

  • wangkon936

    I would tend to agree with that. Following that logic, would Korea be happier if it has a better SME industry?

  • m0l0k0

    just yours

  • m0l0k0

    you should add their korean names to make it more believable.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    Because I need to prove myself to an Internet stranger who can’t handle other people’s success? Go back to wishing death on children.

  • m0l0k0

    You can thank my family for your lack of freedom as they worked for the agencies that actively to put away communist scumbags like your family during that period and you know what I am proud because you serve as a reminder that it was necessary for the national security in those times. The threat was real, 빨갱이새끼들 everywhere know what I’m saying dawg

    There was also a cousin who was a airborne special forces that was sent to Kwangju and beat the shit out of those Jeolla scumbags who would’ve surely overran the country with pro-north agenda. He’s not sorry for it either and felt it was completely justified.

    If it wasn’t for people like my family working to protect the country from enemy sympathizers, ROK would’ve been overrun long ago by people like you sucking Dear Leader’s jot until it released vile smelling semen.

    Only half of your family was in prison? They should’ve rotted in there and we wouldn’t have you running wild on the internet spreading anti-rok propaganda.

  • m0l0k0

    oh your children is going to grow up to be so happy and not blame you for their miseries

  • m0l0k0

    damn you must have a shitty job

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    Anti-ROK propaganda like the fact that I think Korean educational system is working great? Wow, such hater I am of Korea.

    So let’s see; so far, you have (1) wished death upon my as-yet unborn children, and (2) cheered South Korea’s biggest mass murder of its own civilians since the end of Korean War. I would love to see what you endorse next.

  • m0l0k0

    What are you afraid of? the Korean spy agency coming to get your family again?

    I said if The_Korean had children they would certainly kill themselves because of what you said. It’s just an educated guess based on your personality. Who knows you might be a good father but I pray they don’t find your lies online.

  • Huol

    This comment is so ridiculously horrible. You sir, are a troll.

  • m0l0k0

    >Around your social class, I’d say that sounds pretty likely.

    What a douche thing to say

  • m0l0k0

    Half of your family are convicts from prison, I’m gonna discredit any offspring that comes from that vile gene pool.

    The_Korean thinks Korean students should suffer just as he’s family did because purpose is more important than being content.

    1) Your children will probably kill themselves before even being born out of not meeting your unrealistic expectation. Your child becomes a drug addict or gets raped, your gonna look down on him or her.

    2) mass murder is such a strong language you shouldn’t throw around to meet your own political message. That’s fucking low. There’s growing evidence that North Korea had fucked with south koreans like you in hopes of causing revolution in south korea. Look at the RO and UPP you desperately supported. Where are they now? About to join the ranks of your family in prison.

    So your family decided to go against the government and they got pwned. Don’t hold that against them, that’s you guy’s own fucking fault. In any country, police says don’t cross the fucking line or we’ll shoot, they mean it. Koreans like you do it anyway and then bitch and moan about ‘where’s freedom or democracy’. People like you are the mouthpiece of Kim Fuck Il, back when internet was not around. I just regret that they were not permanently put down.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    The_Korean thinks Korean students should suffer just as he’s family did…

    This is interesting. Not the content, but the misspelling of “his” as “he’s.” It’s a typical misspell by someone who learned English as a second language. (I used to do it all the time.) But at the same time, your Korean spelling is somewhat spotty as well.

    Then there is the fact that you initially attacked me as some Park Chung-hee lover, then following up with a whopper of bullshit about the Gwangju massacre. Most haters tend to be more consistent, at least as to the target of their hate. You, on the other hand, is a curious sort. Talk a bit more; I’m having fun.

  • m0l0k0

    “Watson, get me my bloody magnifying glass!”

  • wangkon936

    I’m gonna look into that.

    There are some statements that are close to, if not downright, ad hominemish. It’s not to say that Mr. m0l0k0 doesn’t seem to have some intelligent commentary, but he needs to tone down his negativity towards one particular individual.

  • wangkon936

    Moderator’s note: This crosses a line. It shall be deleted in a few days.

  • wangkon936

    Moderator’s note: This crosses a line. It shall be deleted in a few days.

    This statement was of particular concern:

    “I’m gonna discredit any offspring that comes from that vile gene pool.”

  • wangkon936

    Moderator’s note: This crosses a line. It shall be deleted in a few days.

    This statement was of particular concern:

    “… put away communist scumbags like your family.”

  • wangkon936

    I am responding to “MikeinGyeonggi.”

  • wangkon936

    “Better value” in business and economics always means more for less. Given that the question was phrased in a “home economics” situation, it is a natural assumption to make. The next assumption is that the pizzas were completely the same, except for size. With that in mind, determining the area and dividing by currency was the natural choice to make.

  • Dale

    This is kind of a stupid debate. Nobody seems to recognize that Finland, which has a famously relaxed environment in its schools and education system, has among the lowest percentages of students who report being happy at school.

    Furthermore, there’s no reason to believe that all population groups are identical in emotional disposition. Some population groups may be more melancholic than others, regardless of environment. There’s also no reason to believe that people from different population groups even conceive of “happiness” in the same way and understand this question in the same way such that their responses can be reliably compared.

    Finally, there’s no reason to believe introducing a more American style school or work environment would necessarily make Korean students or employees happier. The contemporary American style school and work environments are relatively novel within America itself, and they haven’t been followed by increased happiness in America. In fact, there’s plenty of evidence of decline in American happiness over the past generation, increase in suicide rates, etc.

  • seouldout

    Wouldn’t it have been easier to just delete it rather than write (several times in this thread) that you’re going to delete it? In a few days? What’s the reason for the delay?

    .

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    What’s your job? I mean, your reading comprehension sucks and you seem to have the reasoning power of an infant. I was, in case you are too stupid to realize, talking about lawyers, TK being a lawyer.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Did all the beatings you got destroy your ability to think?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    You make no sense. I think you are lying. On the one hand, here, you talk about “putting away commies”, and in other parts of this thread you get your panties in a bunch when shown news articles about commies pushing DLRK ideology in school.

    You’re just making stuff up as you go along, right? Completely oblivious to what you wrote in other parts of the same thread.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    But TK, you don’t believe that. You know you believe that purpose is handed down from the State, and your state of choice is the DPRK.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I can understand this little shitty troll down-voting this just because he is an idiot, but what other person is truly stupid enough to believe that in a country with such horrible bone-crushing poverty and out of control social problems like India, it should be a top priority to go “explore” space. Why not take the money and invest it in education, or preventing gang rapes of women? No? I guess that’s not as important as “exploring” space, i.e. getting a shitty rocket out into orbit as has been done dozens and dozens of times. The other person should fess up.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Here is what I don’t get: How can you be so stupid?

    The article did not claim that “The KTU pushes NK ideology.” That could be questioned.

    The article claimed that “The KTU has been caught and members arrested for pushing KTU ideology.”

    If you do not see the vast difference between the two statements, you are beyind hope as are the 2 other little morons who up voted your little diatribe.

    But as I said elsewhere, here you are defending the KTU and in other parts of this thread you are attacking TK for being a commie. In other words, you are just a troll trying to fight everybody

  • http://kuiwon.wordpress.com/ Kuiwon

    Good to see that contemptible comments are going to be deleted. Keep up the good work.

    As for the happiness versus purpose/meaning debate here, there is empirical evidence from psychological studies the latter is needed for overall well-being: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1758-0854.2010.01035.x/abstract

  • wangkon936

    Discussion w/the mods before it is deleted. Once it’s deleted, it’s hard to retrieve it for viewing (and discussion) purposes.

  • wangkon936

    m0l0k0,

    The nominal per capita GDP (per IMF) comparison in 2012 is:

    - South Korea: $22,589
    - Taiwan: $20,336

    The purchase-power-parity per capita GDP (per IMF) comparison in 2012 is:

    - South Korea: $31,950
    - Taiwan: $38,357

    South Korea’s nominal per capita GDP is 9.9% higher than Taiwan’s. Taiwan holds an edge in PPP per capita GDP, but by only by 16.7%.

  • m0l0k0

    nice try but google says otherwise

    Taiwan (2008):
    $31,900 (2008 est.)
    $38,500 (2012 est.)
    $38,300 (2011 est.)
    $36,900 (2010 est.)
    Korea (2012): $22,590.16
    Japan: (2012): $46,720.36

  • m0l0k0

    President of South Korea

  • m0l0k0

    Try harder, you are failing. What is it with you and failing?

  • wangkon936

    You are getting PPP and nominal per capita GDP confused. Google gets their data from the IMF or World Bank. You do understand the difference between nominal and PPP, right?

    You are citing Taiwan PPP per capita GDP and then comparing to nominal per capita GDP of South Korea. That’s comparing apples to oranges.

    Here, this might help:

    http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aeco/201311300007.aspx

    http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1566048

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    He didn’t even understand the difference
    between the PRC and China. I think you are asking too much of him.

  • http://www.rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    I’m not sure what I find more horrific, the comment itself or the fact that three people liked it.

    I’m not going to delete this comment. I’m going to let it remain, just like how the Poles have preserved Auschwitz.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    He then defends the KTU in another thread. He is either a liar, and a stupid one, or schizophrenic.

  • Wedge1

    If you can’t figure that out from my numbers, then I can’t help you.

  • wangkon936

    That and… I’m spending too much time on him…. :P

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    If your extended family was so influential, why did you also write you were fearful of getting hit in school? Certainly relatives like that would afford you much needed protection from a lowly teacher. Another lie, you mangy maggot?

  • Bob Bobbs

    Yes, I sodomized a burning dead man on the Hangangdaegyo in afternoon traffic. Will foreign crimes never cease?

  • Bob Bobbs

    You didn’t say children had inherent value, just that they had to be competent.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    You can’t figure that out from your numbers.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    wangkon936: “Better value” in business and economics always means more quantity for less currency.”

    If that is indeed the meaning of “better value”, then every 7-11 soda purchaser who foregoes the Big Gulp for a smaller size violates the rational actors, knowledgeable actors, and best interests economics’ tenets.

  • wangkon936

    Well…. then you have to think about utility. Given that a Big Gulp is designed for one person you have to assume it’s for one person. Thus, the quantity of the Big Gulp is of less marginal utility to many people. They would rather have a drink that’s lighter, easier to handle and fits in their car’s cup holder. A smaller drink has better marginal utility for many people.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    Because both the Big Gulp and whatever the other size soda is called come in discrete (by your assumption) units and both are goods, the Big Gulp has higher marginal utility. The proper comparison is the marginal utility in the soda between the Big Gulp and smaller sizes.

    I’ll go back to PISA pizza because it had numbers: 30 cm costs 30 zeds, 40 cm costs 40 zeds. The question of value requires marginal analysis and a knowledge of the consumer’s utility schedule. The 40 cm pizza gives an additional 175 pizza pi** for 10 zeds. If the consumer values the marginal utility of an additional 175 pizza pi in this time period at greater than or equal to 10 zeds, then it’s a better value. If not, it’s not.

    There’s a rational economics reason that not everyone indulges in the Value Menu at McDonald’s.

    (**round pizza is more accurately measured in pizza pi than estimated cm^2 units. …heh, heh….)

  • Anonymous_Joe

    …BTW, it’s a tough question and requires a knowledge of marginal analysis in both mathematical calculus and economics marginal utility. I’m not sure that I would have gotten the answer in fifth grade either. :-)

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    Absolutely. But the chaebol / government alliance prevents this. Koreans need to start voting out their corrupt politicians before there’s even a chance at a strong middle-class working at small and medium sized companies.

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    Sorry Robert, I should have known that. I do tend to get overly-defensive when it comes to Taiwan.

  • MikeinGyeonggi

    Good analysis. A big part of Taiwan’s hostility toward SK is because, like you said, SK has global brands that are huge and still growing. Also, Samsung and LG’s semiconductor industry has taken a huge bite out of Taiwan. Of course, its Taiwan’s own fault for not remaining competitive. Many Taiwanese also overestimate SK’s standard of living compared to their own. They think Koreans are much better off than they are, when in reality they’re fairly close.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Big Gulp is designed for obese bastards. Given that many people are not obese bastards, and don’t want to become obese bastards, the marginal utility of the extra 500kcal over the smaller drink is less than the marginal utility of not gaining an extra 20 pounds around the middle in the long run.

    For me there is even a huge amount of marginal disutility over and above a certain portion size. I won’t define it but I know it when I see it. So much so that I literally feel sick just looking at the portion sizes in the US when I visit. I would literally pay you more money to buy a smaller portion size. That’s fully irrational seeing as I could just leave the extra on the plate, but my physical reaction to the sight of the extra food makes that a very rational choice.

  • seouldout

    A fondness for Hello Kitty and anime is the cause for “lashing out at Korea”?!? Who are the Taiwanese you hang out with? Twelve-year-old school girls?

    Do they smoke in parks too?

  • biscuit

    What I love about the start of that analysis is its characterisation of the Tawainese as people who are desperate to be angry at other East Asian nations. One could be forgiven for thinking it’s based on judging others by one’s own standards.

  • seouldout

    That there may be a bit of a rivalry felt by one or the other or both is understandable. Both were OEM rivals; were frequently mentioned in the press as “Asian Tigers”; developed economically at a similar pace; are overshadowed by larger, more potent neighbors; etc. But now I know it was merely Hello Kitty; that pussy has serious mojo.

  • aligner

    Oh really? And I suppose Taiwan’s hostility has nothing to do with the SK Parliament’s 100% support of switching diplomatic recognition relations to China (not even one abstention in the vote as I read). Before you blindly say that it was America who switched sides first, look into this a bit more. Not even one jerk in all that cowardly parliament crowd who could stand by a friend as a matter of PRINCIPLE.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    And replace the Big Gulp with pizza and thats why the answer is really a toss up.

  • seouldout

    If this is an important reason for the hostility Taiwan needs to get over it. There many other, better, and current reasons to be hostile to Korea.

  • aligner

    I don’t believe this is the main reason, but it adds a little more light to Taiwan-Korean relations when people keep on mentioning Korea’s recent economic success as the main source of tension. It is a simple fact that Korea is not well loved in Asia for a variety of reasons.

  • ChuckRamone

    Except when they went to that WBC game with all those anti-Korean banners and signs. I don’t think Minnesotans would do that during a Vikings – Packers game.

  • wangkon936

    “It is a simple fact that Korea is not well loved in Asia for a variety of reasons.”

    Really?

    http://www.economist.com/node/15385735

    I think it’s a bit more nuanced.

  • wangkon936

    “SK Parliament’s 100% support of switching diplomatic recognition relations to China”

    Can’t really hold that against them. Everyone’s done that, including the U.S. Japan’s stance on Taiwan is a little more nuanced, however.

  • wangkon936

    Late 20′s and early 30′s. My Asian American business group had a good relationship with the Taiwanese American business association and I served as liason for a period of time. One of my best friends is Taiwanese (sometimes comments on this blog), he is in his early 40′s, and frequently travels back to Taiwan as his parents have decided to retire there. We frequently talk about Taiwanese and south central Asian politics.

  • wangkon936

    “… characterisation of the Tawainese as people who are desperate to be angry at other East Asian nations”

    Nowhere did I say that. I said they were frustrated and like to “shoot barbs” at Korea, but never did I say “desperate” or “angry.”

  • aligner

    No – there were significant opposition in the US congress against abandoning Taiwan at China’s insistence. Remember, it was China’s bullying “requirement” that countries abandon official recognition to have “normal” relations with China. There was significant opposition and resistance to this voiced around the world and it was a national embarrassment (IMO) that no one in Korea’s parliament voted against or abstained on principle.

    You won’t easily find much information about this disgraceful vote even in the Korean language, and if you do it would certainly mirror your indifferent view on it.

  • wangkon936

    I am not doubting that part of Taiwan’s grudge towards South Korea is South Korea’s diplomatic relations with the PRC at the ROC’s expense. I was questioning if the ROC can maintain that particular grudge given that South Korea is not alone at the non-recognition. Hell, even the OECD and the U.N. won’t recognize the ROC as a country.

  • aligner

    Yes, but then again most countries did not lose 100s of thousands of their citizen’s directly at the hands of a “volunteer” Chinese army 40 years before then.

    Remember, up until that time there were supposedly strong ideological ties between the Korea and Taiwan. I am only talking about a few symbolic votes of opposition here. I am not suggesting that Korea could have avoided abandoning relations with Taiwan.

  • pawikirogii

    ‘It is a simple fact that Korea is not well loved in Asia for a variety of reasons.’ aligner

    this is one dumb statement. the poster is a korea basher. he’s also an expat. he thinks the way he feels about korea is the way everybody else feels about korea.

    korea isn’t well loved? ever heard of the korea wave?

    what happened to you in korea, aligner? women? i’ll bet. just like seouldout. perhaps you can break a korean man’s camera! come back and tell us all about, hero.

  • johnts1975ii

    .

  • Sumo294

    Hmmmnn . . . interesting . . . I agree with this statement.

  • Arghaeri

    They’ve been living in a perpetual flatlining economy so the young appreciate what they can get.

  • Arghaeri

    Things weren’t that bad.

  • Arghaeri

    Classy as usual, btw wouldn’t you be in the same class?

  • Arghaeri

    As far as I recall its a matter of record at the hole that The Korean has expressed his intent to beat his kids severely to ensure they strive for their purpose,

  • Arghaeri

    No Korean TV drama in Albania, but Indonesia is mystery as they get it and are still happy!!

  • Sumo294

    Interesting comment . . . I agree with you.

  • Arghaeri

    Wrong, the first one satisfies all your dietary requirements and is cheaper.

    The second is simply more expensive and you will either throw some out or get extremely fat.

    Hence the first is better value.

    This is why learning maths alone is pointless.

  • Arghaeri

    The correct answer bing “all of the above”, a) for gym class , b) for teacher,
    c) for swim class

  • Arghaeri

    I hope to god you’re not in business. If you believe “value” is always measured that simplistically in business.

  • Arghaeri

    You’d be miserable too if you didn’t see the sun for a good chunk of the year.

  • Sumo294

    The counter cultural movement origins were noble–but really in the end did not offer an alternative except the final two beliefs–that a UN sanctioned form of socialist government would enable a technocratic pure utopia and for others that earth should be venerated and all other ideals are secondary to doing what is “good” for Mother Gaia. These true believers are happier–but history has exposed some ideologies to be unproductive and at times “evil”. Two purpose driven cultures that we now see as evil were Nazi Liberal Socialism and Aztec/Mayan Sun Worship. The Nazi’s believed that weaker races were endangering necessary human evolution and the Aztec/Mayan culture sincerely believed that human sacrifice was necessary for the continuity of human life. Some types of human happiness derived from purpose is not inherently good for mankind. There is very little ideology that has not been tried–the only real difference would be the scale that could be attempted.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    Citation please.

  • RElgin

    You have a serious problem staying on any topic in a meaningful manner. I strongly urge you to focus more in your posting unless you want to have more of your comments marked as spam.

  • Bob Bobbs

    ‘Is it safe?’

  • The Real Truth

    “korea isn’t well loved? ever heard of the korea wave?”

    Just spit coffee on my keyboard. Thanks for that.

  • http://f5waeg.blogspot.com/ F5Waeg

    Zed’s dead, baby. Zed’s dead

  • Arghaeri

    High six digit salary in Korea, that’s only a fraction above minimum wage!!!!

  • Arghaeri

    If you’ve not been here long enough to recall you’re welcome to search through the MH archives for yourself. TK ain’t gonna deny it.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    You made the claim. It sounds extraordinary. I’m not saying TK didn’t post it, but it sounds nonetheless extraordinary.

    You, not I, should have to substantiate your claim that TK made such a statement. I should not have the burden to prove (or disprove) its existence.

    Carrying over from a comment you made minutes ago in another thread, you made the same “do your own research” so that the reader can support your doubt worthy (though perhaps true) claim.