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Roh agreed to abandon NLL: National Assembly intel committee lawmakers

Saenuri Party lawmakers on the National Assembly intelligence committee say they’ve read the sections of the conversation record from the 2007 inter-Korean summit where President Roh Moo-hyun and North Korean leader Kim Jong-il discussed the West Sea NLL, reports the Chosun Ilbo.

And more to the point, they say Roh made a statement that suggested he wanted to abandon the NLL. To sum up, Roh said he agreed with Kim that the NLL needed to be changed and called for it to be turned into a “zone of peaceful cooperation.” Kim responded by suggesting Roh abandon its laws regarding the NLL so that the two sides could enter working-level discussions on creating said zone, to which Roh said, “Yes, fine.”

They also said the sanctions the US placed on BDA in 2005 were a “clear American blunder.” Best of all, Roh also told Kim that if you poll South Koreans, the country they hate the most is the United States. When asked which nation threatens peace the most, South Koreans respond with the United States at No. 1, Japan at No. 2 and then North Korea.

Lovely.

Much, much more here. The stuff in these documents come from NIS reports in 2009 when the LMB administration was secretly preparing for a possible summit with the North. Wanna play a game? Guess which leader said the following about the BDA sanctions, Roh and Kim Jong-il:

“분명히 얘기를 하는데… BDA 문제는 미국의 실책인데… 북측에 손가락질하고 북측보고 풀어라 하고, 부당하다는 거 다 알고 있습니다.… 뭐 제일 큰 문제가 미국입니다. 나도 역사적으로 제국주의 역사가 사실 세계 인민들에게 반성도 하지 않았고 오늘날도 패권적 야망을 절실히 드러내고 있다는 인식을 갖고 있으며 저항감도 가지고 있습니다.”

If you guessed Roh, you would have guessed right. Among other things, Roh also apparently expressed a desire to build a light water reactor for the North instead of the United States, bragged about sinking OPLAN 5029, and much, much more. Oh, and as for Kim Jong-il supposedly agreeing to the stationing of US troops in Korea during the 2000 summit with Kim Dae-jung, what KJI actually said appears to be more along the lines of “the US troop presence is useful because I can use it to drum up anti-American sentiment at home.” Which is remarkably frank, but also not the line of steaming BS the DJ administration tried to sell the South Korean and American publics.

PS: Yes, the reason the Chosun is going big with this is probably to distract the public from the ever growing evidence that the NIS was engaged in some serious nonsense during the last presidential election. It’s still fun reading through this stuff, though.

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  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Can we dig up that dog’s corpse and piss on it now? Too bad it jumped, we might have been able to put it down.

  • platethief

    That`s gratitude for ya!

  • seouldout

    Steadfastiest ally wasn’t it? Balderdash!

    Keep in mind it wasn’t only Kim and Roh Noh, anti-American was stoked by Chun Doo-Hwan, Noh Tae-woo, and Kim Young-Sam.

    It’s only been since the sinking of the Cheonan that the anti-US mood has shifted. For convenience sake. Koreans are foul-weather friends when they face adversity. But really this is just insincere surface-level grin and greet.

  • http://www.expathell.com thankswww

    “Best of all, Roh also told Kim that if you poll South Koreans, the country they hate the most is the United States. When asked which nation threatens peace the most, South Koreans respond with the United States at No. 1, Japan at No. 2 and then North Korea.”

    They might actually be right, seeing as how the US basically controls North Korea via sanctions, and when the Norkos want to throw a kiddie tantrum, they usually take it out on the South as opposed to shelling American targets. So from a technical point of view, I might actually agree with the Klowns and say that America does (indirectly) have the potential to disrupt peace on the peninsula.

    Totally disagree about Japan being # 2 though. Modern day Japan, like most rich countries, wants nothing to do with either of the two Koreas. and the US, if we’re speaking honestly, mostly just pays lip service to Korea about being a “valuable ally”, when in fact they are an economic competitor and adversary on many levels. The Koreans themselves probably realize this fact, and thus I can almost understand their dislike of America. Plus, it’s always convenient to blame the biggest kid on the block for all of your problems.

  • jkitchstk

    “Kim responded by suggesting Roh abandon its laws regarding the NLL so that the two sides could enter working-level discussions on creating said zone, to which Roh said, “Yes, fine.”

    Roh was just being respectful to his elder.

  • gbnhj

    And that’s why God made cliffs.

  • keith

    @6 I couldn’t agree more with the sentiment. The guy was a scumbag and a traitor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/DontLetThemEatMe Jakgani

    This week, I interviewed 250 South Korean 15~16 year olds.

    One of the questions was “If there was a war between North Korea and South Korea, who do you think would win?”

    75% of the 15~16 year olds, stated that they think North Korea would win.

    30% of them also stated, that they would defect and join the North Korean side, so that they would not be killed.

  • TheLionStillHasClaws

    Dr. Myers got it right…again.

  • seouldout

    @6 – Well played.

  • http://thekoreanforeigner.blogspot.kr/ John Lee

    The fact that Roh committed suicide makes this story moot. We can’t shame him or question him. That being said, this story shouldn’t surprise anyone.

    But the thing that is most exasperating is that regardless of the evidence that stacks up against him, his core supporters won’t be swayed to rethink their opinions about him. It would be like trying to discredit a cult leaders. Try as you might, his acolytes will always claim “They’re trying to test our faith.”

  • redwhitedude

    Committing suicide doesn’t necessarily make this story moot. It smears and discretis him and his supporters as well as whatever legacy he left. He was an idiot and the more stories like this appears the more idiotic he appears. It’s one thing to say take a softer stance against NK but to kiss up to NK like he did was idiotic.

  • cm

    #11, his core supporters have shrunk considerably these days. With a little experiment to the left in the early 2000′s, South Korea has shifted to the right.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    One of those core supporters is the empty headed TK.

  • PeterDownUnder

    Where’s the TK now? So vocal before, now so quite lol.

    If it wasn’t for Roh becoming the martyr of liberalism in SK, 민주당 would of fallen apart long ago.

    I’m sure KDJ and Roh felt much more at home with the Communists up North with their shared anti-imperialist thoughts.

  • cm

    To be fair though, the accusations against Roh were made by the conservatives and the conservative papers. I don’t think there has been any verifications done by a non biased third party. For all we know, it could be just another political mud slinging. Even if I’ve never been exactly a fan of Roh and his political leanings, I really have a hard time believing the anti-South Korean/American and pro-North Korean statements that he allegedly have said, as charged by the Conservatives. Although I do believe he intended to give up the NLL, and turn the area as a cooperation controlled zone or something.

  • DUguymontreal55

    ^well said.

  • Benjamin Wagner

    Keeping plenty of US troops on the peninsula as a way to drum up anti-American sentiment is interesting. Is this why Korea needs so many foreign English teachers?

  • RolyPoly

    gbnhj,
    Actually we do not know who pushed him off the cliff. Many may believe it was done by the right-wing (Park ChungHee, ChunDooHwan,RhoTaewoo, LeeMyungBak, ParkGunhye) but there is just as strong case that it was done by Jolla Commies.
    Noh actually had to stand trial for taking bribes. This is very embarrassing for Jollas who told that they are clean revolutionaries.
    Well, we are talking about KimDaeJung who took bribes from RhoTaewoo!

    Also, there is very unlikely scenario that Noh is still alive in some foreign country after plastic surgery – maybe in the States or SouthAmerica, just like Nazis.

    I vote for Jollas killing one of their own – to clean the house.

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    Where’s the TK now? So vocal before, now so quite lol.

    Aww, you miss daddy? Unlike you 잉여, I have a real job that requires my attention for significant stretches of time.

    At any rate, here we are. On one hand, we have a situation that could legitimately undo this administration — namely, the conservative’s efforts to use the nation’s spy agency to perpetrate elections fraud and target progressive politicians. This situation is live and currently ongoing.

    On the other hand, we have a decade-old diplomatic record, made public while violating the law, whose snippets may or may not support the claim that the former president who has been dead for several years wanted to hand over the maritime line that may or may not be a border under international law. And by the way, nothing actually happened with that maritime line. It’s still there.

    One is clearly more important than the other. Yet morons just love following the shiny object.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Chasing ambulances is real work.

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