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A couple of morning links on thuggish GIs

- The Hani reports that the female soldier, a 22-year-old corporal, testified to the cops that she is the one who shot the BBs in Itaewon. She said she did so for fun. The guy who owned the car, the staff sergeant, apparently carried in his car three BB guns, which were purchased in Itaewon last year. Anyway, there is now suspicion that the three may have regularly shot BBs at locals for fun. The cops think the other two shot BBs that evening, too, but they deny it so far. And yeah, the two corporals are saying the staff sergeant was the driver, and the staff sergeant is saying the corporal who got shot was driving.

- The Kyunghyang Shinmun notes that while the number of US troops in Korea have decreased from 39,997 in 2004 to 28,500 currently, the number of crimes committed by GIs has increased from 324 to 379. 2011 was an especially bad year with 456. The secretary general of the National Campaign for Eradication of Crimes by U.S.Troops in Korea told the Kyunghyang that the number of crimes committed by GIs decrease when public opinion turns south, indicating that if USFK authorities properly control their men, they can reduce the number of crimes. Personally, I’m skeptical of whatever the National Campaign for Eradication of Crimes by U.S.Troops in Korea says, and I’m guessing a substantial amount of the increase in crime comes from USFK’s relaxation of driving restrictions in 2008. That said, yeah, it seems that angry Koreans=fewer GI crimes, which suggests USFK can improve off-base discipline when it wants to.

- MBC ran an interview with a HUFS professor to discuss the SOFA. As expected, he complained that the Korea—US SOFA is not as favorable to Korea as America’s SOFA agreements with Japan and NATO countries—he cites that other SOFAs make it easier for local cops to take possession of suspects that flee onto US bases, and the SOFA with Japan allows cops to interrogate suspects even without the presence of a US military official. However, the professor also noted that the Korea—US SOFA includes “excessive privileged” for defendants, including protections against prosecutors appealing acquittals. It’s a longish interview that probably deserves a fuller summary, but I think that point is important because I can’t see any way USFK allows its men to be subject to double jeopardy. Making it easier for the Korean cops to take possession and detain GI suspects is another matter, though, and frankly, I’d have no problem even allowing Korean cops the right to ‘hot pursuit.”

- And indeed, Korean government officials are now saying they will begin discussions with the United States, possibly from the end of this month, to revise the SOFA to make it easier for Korean police to detain GI suspects and expanding the number of crimes subject to transfer at indictment. They Koreans also want to reduce the scope of what constitutes USFK’s “execution of duties,” mostly because of last year’s incident in Osan in which USFK MPs handcuffed local civilians. That matter is being delayed because the MPs are claiming this happened while they were on duty, giving USFK primary jurisdiction.

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  • will.i.aint

    the two corporals are saying the staff sergeant was the driver, and the staff sergeant is saying the corporal who got shot was driving.

    I’ve got a novel idea ~ how about asking the cop that shot the soldier? “Were you aiming at the passenger side of the vehicle or the driver’s side?”

  • http://twitter.com/holterbarbour Andrew Barbour

    Wait, are we talking Daisy pump-action/canned air-type air rifle BB guns, or those crappy 6,000 won Airsoft guns you can buy at any 문구점 that shoot those fat, white plastic BBs that ALL 11-14 YEAR OLD BOYS IN MY APARTMENT COMPLEX SHOOT AT EACH OTHER ALL DAY SATURDAY AND SUNDAY? If we’re talking air rifles, then *maybe* that justifies returning fire with a real firearm, if you’re a little trigger happy. Get enough pressure in one and they can be as dangerous as a .22. But if it’s an Airsoft…as the fact that the GIs bought the BB guns in Itaewon suggests… then come the fuck on.

  • 코리아

    Have you been following the story? What they were shooting locals with doesn’t really matter. I’d also assume it was airsoft stuff and they were just being annoying, not dangerous, firing them in Itaewon. The idiot got shot because they were threatening to run down a cop with a car after a high speed chase. It wasn’t “return fire”.

  • http://humesbastard.wordpress.com/ Hume’s Bastard

    I see these incidents as effects of a bad policy, that puts American volunteer service members between two countries – at least – which don’t agree about why they are stationed in the country. Before we abandon volunteers to a country with different legal traditions – and I know American service members have been convicted in South Korean courts and turned over for punishment – Americans should agonize over the decision if this ally is important enough to sacrifice even one American. If these volunteers are guilty, as determined by a credible tribunal, then they should be honorably discharged, serve prison time, and do restitution for the rest of their lives. Let’s not just grow complacent about this. We are allies with South Korea; we are not friends.

  • Baek du boy

    Even if it was a 6000won toy BB gun they look real enough and are illegal in some countries. I bought a BB gun when I first went to Korea simply because they are illegal where I came from. I quickly got bored of it and wondered how it would be perceived at the airport if I was carrying it in my hand luggage on my way home (of course i threw it out before leaving). Being Americans they should be schooled all too well on the dangers of guns and likelihood of getting shot when waving a gun around in public like it was a sparkler.

  • wangkon936

    “Can’t get you a BB gun, you’ll shoot your eye out kid!”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YleZvTSDC6s

    Sorry, couldn’t resist.

  • http://twitter.com/holterbarbour Andrew Barbour

    True enough that an 11-year old Korean brandishing an airsoft pistol in Seoul will not raise anywhere near the same concern that an adult American doing the same would. However, if the police opened fire on the GIs because they knew that they were shooting passers-by with them, hopefully the police would know by the reports (in both senses of the word) what kind of guns were being fired and act appropriately. Of course, this assumes that the guns in question were airsofts. Still wondering what exactly the GIs were using.

  • http://twitter.com/holterbarbour Andrew Barbour

    Admittedly, I’ve only been noticing this story in the periphery of my news feeds. I missed the part about them trying to run over a cop. But I’m still amazed at how much controversy has sprung from the (admittedly stupid) use of airsoft guns. They’re not much worse than Nerf darts.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Kids in my apartment complex run around with BBs all the time. Cops do not descend upon the place en force brandishing fire weapons. The guys were assholes but the overreaction of the cops is probably a good indication that turning over USFK personnel to the local Dirty Harries is not the greatest idea.

  • harnkin hooty

    How do you know they were trying to run down a cop? It sounds like they were trying to avoid the police, they ran into some sort of dead end and then proceeded to somehow drive out of the dead end. The cop may have been trying to block a moving car with his body?

  • will.i.aint

    The cop fired at the soldier with a real gun because the soldier was trying to run him over with a real car. At that point – it had nothing to do with the type of gun the soldier(s) had fired in Itaewon.

  • will.i.aint

    Even if the police and passersby were 100% sure that the soldiers had been firing airsoft guns – the police still would have approached the soldiers – and probably would have just told them to stop. And in all likelihood – it would have peacefully ended right there.

    But making a rash decision to flee changed everything.

  • cm

    The cop shot the driver because the driver tried to flatten the cop who was pinned against a wall, by running him over with the car. It wasn’t the bb gun that got the driver shot, it was his stupidity. He should have stopped when the cop fired his first warning shot. Enough nonsense about this bb gun.

  • cm

    That’s the testimony from the injured cop and the taxi driver who witnessed it. Even if the cop was trying to block the moving car, it’s the driver’s responsibility to stop when the cop tells him to stop. Why are you defending these guys?

  • will.i.aint

    There are only five people who might know the answer – the three soldiers who were in the car, the cop who fired the gun, and the taxi driver. I believe most of what we know at this point has come from the taxi driver.

  • cm

    And we know those guys in the car are lying. Because their excuse is “I don’t remember what happened”. However, they do admit to shooting their toy guns and running away from the cops because you know, the Korean mob of justice were going to run them down and lynch them on the spot.

  • http://www.rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    Kids in my apartment complex run around with BBs all the time.

    Even granting that’s true, you do see the difference between kids shooting BBs at each other and adult foreign soldiers shooting BBs at random people on the street?

    The guys were assholes but the overreaction of the cops…

    Overreaction? You mean pursuing fleeing suspects? An officer shooting one of them as they tried to run him over? The overreaction was the BB Crew fleeing the scene. They were frightened by the cops and the crowd? Good, they should be fucking scared. Assholes.

    …probably a good indication that turning over USFK personnel to the local Dirty Harries is not the greatest idea.

    There are perfectly legitimate reasons why USFK should place limits to how far its willing to yield in SOFA talks, but none of those reasons are particularly obvious in this case.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    Plus, some of those toys look very real from more than a few metres away. If you see a kid with one (in Korea) of course you know it’s a toy – not that parents should treat projectile firing devices as toys. However, seeing GIs with them might very likely make them look much more real.

  • pawikirogii

    dear andrew barbour, not sure if u from the states but if you are, could you tell me would happen if you shot a bb gun at an american cop? and could you please admit that you just as nationalistice as a korean? thanks in advance.

  • cm

    Plus what are the chances of grown men who supposedly represent the US military, driving around and playing with their little boy’s toy guns in public? I would say virtually none – wherever the country it is.

    I just wish this whole fucking nonsense goes away, it’s stupid controversies like this poison the entire atmosphere between nations.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    You’re smarter than this post, Robert.

    #1 Why wouldn’t you grant that this was true? Kids with BBs is a fairly common thing.
    #2 Fundamentally the only difference is that in the one case its kids with TOYS and in this kids it was adults with TOYS. Still, they are toys and not lethal weapons. Are these cops so incompetent they can’t tell toys from real things when being fired?
    #3 Situations don’t go from 0-60 in no time at all. The overreaction happened when it was still just 3 idiots playing with toys. At that point it was enough for one cop, or two, to simply walk up to them and tell them to stop. But as cops do these days the world over, the overreaction is immediate. This should never have reached the carjacking stage had the cops shown some restraint instead of acting like super cops from some Hollywood movie.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    They only LOOK real enough, then you fire them and at that point only an absolute moron couldn’t tell the difference. Or a stupid cop

  • 코리아

    Might just be my humble opinion, but regardless of if you’re in a dead end or a multi-lane boulevard, if a cop is in front of your car telling you to stop, then you stop. If you try to get around him and hit him, well then you just ran down a cop.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    The video I saw, in a previous post on this blog, this is not what happened at all. The cop was to the side of the vehicle, not in front of it, there was no wall and I did not see any attempt to run him over or flatten him against any wall, simply to get away. If you have a better video, post it.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    And then they are fired and there is no doubt its a toy.

  • http://twitter.com/holterbarbour Andrew Barbour

    I won’t argue that: if you start to get squirrely around a cop, you should expect them to take a defensive posture. I’m just saying that come on, people, these were airsoft guns. Not worth calling the cops over at all.

  • bumfromkorea

    And the apologist finishes his mental gymnastics. 10.0 from USA, 9.5 from Russia, 9.0 from Japan…

  • que337

    BB guns could really hurt:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BB_gun#Safety

  • Anonymous_Joe

    The idiot got shot because they were threatening to run down a cop with a car after a high speed chase.

    Did the idiot get shot before or after the chase? That’s important because if the “idiot” was shot before the chase, then the police officer shot an unarmed, aside from what appears to be an “airsoft” pistol and wielded only by the female corporal, man.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    Again, if the police officer offered deadly force before the chase and against unarmed civilians, then that’s a problem.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    Pawi, you are changing the situation. The idiots did not shoot a BB gun at a cop.

  • http://twitter.com/holterbarbour Andrew Barbour

    The BB guns in the wikipedia article are air pistols, which are admittedly far more dangerous than the airsoft (“BB탄총”) guns in the news video. Unless, of course, you put steel pellets in them. Glass will shatter from a steel BB because even a small amount of force concentrated into the surface area where a metal BB contacts a glass surface will suffice.

  • wangkon936

    AJ,

    Let it go bro. You know deep in your heart that if these guys tried pulling that in the good ole U.S. of A., they would have gotten shot up worse than these two harmless hispanic ladies who were mistaken for a 6-1 huskey black guy:

    http://www.secretsofthefed.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/dorner-open-fire-meme-thumb-500×282.jpg

  • pawikirogii

    well ok then what would happen to you if you tried to run over a. op here in the states? seems you want to evade questions like this so let me answer my own question: if you tried to run over a cop here he would shoot you dead. howcome its ok for american police to do this but not korean police?

  • http://twitter.com/holterbarbour Andrew Barbour

    1. If you shot a BB *with an air pistol* at an American cop, you shouldn’t discount the possibility of getting shot with a real gun. If you shoot a cop with an *airsoft gun*? I would expect a pepper spray at worst, especially if the gun bears the tell-tale bright orange nozzle (as is required by law on realistic-looking toy guns). If the cop is close enough to feel the impact of an airsoft BB, he’s sure as hell close enough to know that he did not just hear a firearm discharge– or even an air pistol/air rifle. Air pistols/air rifles make a distinct noise that, while not much louder than an airsoft, are certainly different. If I were a cop and I got hit with an airsoft, I’d know I was not in danger, and I wouldn’t use deadly force.

    But as Anonymous Joe correctly points out, the GIs did not shoot a cop.

    2. Say what now? You are not even sure of my nationality, and yet you accuse me of nationalism?

  • Anonymous_Joe

    I don’t want to evade any questions.

    Let me tell you what would happen by the book. The police officer must reasonably fear for his life and safety. Police officers in the U.S., against what the rest of the world might think, can not willy nilly use deadly force. I have not seen videos or know the full situation. I do think, however, that if the police officer shot the passenger rather than the driver, then the police officer has some ‘splaiinin’ to do.

    Also, American law places life higher than the convenience of the officer. Regardless of what you, I, or others think about whether the police officer should get out of the way, if he reasonably could then he has to. If he jumps in the way of the car, even if they are doing misdemeanor douche bag things, he’s got some ‘splainin’ to do.

  • pawikirogii

    you either arent american or you are just being coy. the cop wont take the time to find out if gun is fake or not they will shoot and ask questions later. that is the way it is here and most (white) americans upport the police when they kill (non white) americans. all the cop needs to do is say he feared for hislife. thats it. if its ok for american cops to do that it is ok for korean cops. btw, cop recieved call of disturbance at holloween party. cop responded and saw man dressed as burgler holding fake gun. burgler party goer dressed as burgker shot dead. here shoot first ask questions later.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    Wangwon, I’m not advocating either way. I want to get at the truth.

    First, I have no doubt that the idiots were up to idiocy. I’m such a stickler for such things that if they shot me with an airsoft pellet, I would want to file battery charges. I’m sure the Korean police would laugh at me, but I would complain anyway. I am a huge believer in the bitch slap of the law.

    That said, deadly force should be used only in threat of deadly force. The particulars of the situation change much of this.

    Regardless of whether the initial facts make the situation so blatantly obvious that the police officer, particularly in the heat of action, appears 100% justified to use deadly force, deadly force, deadly force was used, and there needs to be a full and complete investigation.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    Pawi, the difference here, in your argument by analogy, is that the police officer knew the BB gun in question was an airsoft and did not represent deadly force.

    ****
    Aside to your anecdote: your facts are wrong about the Halloween incident. Regardless, there was an investigation and criminal trial.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    I know that your “why are you defending these guys” was not directed toward me, but I’ll answer why I’m asking questions that might appear to favor “these guys”: Someone needs to ask the questions. Even the police department’s internal investigation should ask the police officer these questions.

    When the story first broke, we all did the knee-jerk pile-on these idiots. They’re idiots. They deserve everything they have coming to them and no less. But they also deserve no more.

  • nannasin smith

    The guys were assholes but the overreaction of the cops…
    LM555

  • Hamilton

    A couple of observations:

    1. The three clowns are ass-hats and NO ONE (aside from 1-2 obvious trolls) has defended their actions or asked for leniency at worst some have questioned the need for the Police officer to shoot the driver. 8th Army immediately apologized and cooperated in every way.

    2. If the cretins did what they were alleged to do; ie, attempt to run over a Police Officer they would be shot in the US just like they were in this case. The general consensus from US Military members and citizens has been “well done KNP!”

    3. The SOFA worked exactly as it was supposed to in this case. 3 ass-hats commit a crime not in line of duty and those that were not suffering gun-shot wounds were delivered to the KNP. The KNP is given access to the ass-hat with the new second belly button in his shoulder on the US base.

    4. The US Military members in Korea are committing more crimes in comparison to 2004 but it is not clear or has not been demonstrated whether these are primarily traffic offenses which no one really escapes. In fact no real hard data on the nature of the crimes is being released, just that there is more crime. If anyone has anything please share and don’t bother with the 6% prosecution non-answer.

    Everything else is pretty agenda driven and not based on the facts of the case.

  • yangachibastardo

    Say what you want, if one or more of the lot got a bullet in the head, the world would have improved, props to the cops who sort ‘em out.

    Brute force is sometimes a necessity to educate people

  • hardyandtiny

    Not defending, just curious. This was at the end of a high speed chase. Why would a police officer with a gun try to block a car with his body? What exactly did the police officer know about the events in Itaewon? Did he think the people in the car had a real gun? If so, why didn’t he take a safe position?

  • hardyandtiny

    yeah, you should stop. I wonder when the cop shot at the car.

  • silver surfer

    BB guns can still kill, right? Genuine question.

  • pawikirogii

    are you so naive to think that life is by the book? you can evade my question if you want but most americans know what would happen if somebody tried to use a car to run over a police officer. you cooking the books here, my friend.

    i did not write that the cops can kill anyone ‘willy nilly’*, i wrote that all the cops need to kill somebody is to fear for their lives. that’s it. he’ll walk even if there’s a trial. don’t give an example here or there, give the norm. here, you don’t mess with the police. they can kill you for little reason because fear is subjective. if you go at a police officer with a car, you are going to die. few will care to question if the officer tried to get out of the way. that may not be by the book. but that’s life.

    for koreans learning english:

    * willy nilly = casual attitude. when you take something willly nilly, you don’t see that something as very important. example: that guy is willy nilly about work, that’s why he does a poor job.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    Pawi, whenever an American police officer discharges his weapon there is a thorough investigation. That’s by the book.

    You also asked for the norm, rather than anecdotal exceptions. “Norm” in American police work means by the book. If you have hardcore evidence to the contrary, I suggest that you file with the state’s attorney general’s office, hire an attorney (if it happened to you personally), or drop the concrete evidence off at the local newspaper.
    ****************
    BTW, all that I am saying is that there should be a thorough investigation. Netizens want to give this guy his own T.J. Hooker tv series. If he pumped a shot into the passenger rather than the driver, the officer has some explaining to do no matter how satisfying it seems to the keyboard cowboys.

    Clearly these airgun idiots have something coming to them, and I hope they get every bit of it. Not a bit less, but no more.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    This is a great idea. The situation for the cop changes if he shot at a passenger.

    Also, there is some physical evidence. It’s winter. The windows were likely closed. Which side of the car did the bullet enter? If the police officer was in front of the vehicle when he shot, then there will be a hole in the windshield. If he was on the side, and the window was open, then the wounded shoulder was the driver if shot in the left shoulder and the passenger if shot in the right. If the officer shot from behind, then there are some real problems because the officer could no longer to reasonably claim to fear for his life.

    There’s more to come from this. I want to make everyone happy here (TK, Pawi): I hope the idiots get everything they have coming to them from the Korean system and then let the UCMJ take a whack at them. They deserve everything they deserve.

  • Sigmund

    As I’ve previously said, I took for granted they were shooting metal BBs. Airsoft BBs? It’s nuts how it escalated (and how it’s being escalated).

  • cm

    In the US, you don’t need to even have any weapons, let alone a gun, for getting shot dead in hail of bullets. Even a threatening move, and the police thinks his life is under danger will be justified as the right thing to do 99% of the time. If the suspect backs into the police and tries to run him down, that driver would have been shot dead and he would have gotten more than 2 bullets shot at him.

  • cm

    That’s not exactly true. The police would have an explaining to do only if the African American community protests it as racism and police brutality and the media gets involved. If not then the public just always assumes the cop had the right to do it. Any formal explanations to the higher ups would be just matter of paper work.

  • cm

    You’re looking at the wrong video. That was when they got away when the cops stopped him. The video where one cop took a taxi and chased the car down and where shots happened doesn’t even exist. The video of the injured cop in the hospital, explaining the driver trying to run him down, I’ve already posted.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    cm, the first part of your post is just wrong. Anytime an officer discharges his weapon there is a full investigation. If an officer kills an unarmed suspect, there’s an investigation. The key of course is that the police officer has to show that his life is in danger. A threatening move from an unarmed suspect is 99% of the time not enough to shoot someone.

    As far as not needing any weapons, often a weapon, and a deadly weapon at that, is not enough for an officer to justify shooting someone dead. A knife or baseball bat is not enough.

    That said, I think that if they did it they deserve all coming to them. I think the questions need to be answered.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    That’s not true at all. Particularly if someone dies, there is a full inquiry.

  • cm

    A several years back, I specifically remember a mentally deranged Korean American man who was shot dead in hail of bullets in LA. All he did was wave at the police, refused to get down on the ground, and if I remember correctly, he had no weapons. He was shot in the back. That became a Korean American community in LA issue at that time. There was an investigation after much protests from Korean Americans, but the police were let off. My remembering of details are fuzzy.

  • cm

    How many of those inquires result in police wrong doing? I bet virtually none. Like I said, paper work.

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    It takes an amazing confluence of freak events to kill with a BB gun.

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    No, that guy was holding a knife, which he did not brandish in an aggressive manner but which he did not put down either.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002200674544 Fei Zhang
  • Anonymous_Joe

    I bet virtually some. Regardless, all are put on admin. leave or taken off street duty while an investigation proceeds. Your perception of virtually none results from their training.

    In contrasting U.S. vs. Korean police officers, an important difference is respect. U.S. police officers are more widely respected because they are better trained. Koreans don’t respect Korean police officers. I think part because of their perceived lack of professionalism and, let’s face it, corruption. I don’t see professionalism among Korean police officers. In fact, I rarely see them. I see their big HQ buildings, and once a week I will see two driving in a police car. Aside from that, I never see them. I read about them more in the online papers for corruption more than I see them even in cop cars.

    This really isn’t a U.S. cop vs. Korean cop issue. All I ‘m saying is that there should be an inquiry.

    Yes, I think they were douche-bags. Yes, I think they have some and probably all liability in this matter. I think there should be an investigation. I’m a rule of law kind of guy in aggressive, non-consent matters.

  • que337

    Plastic pellets (the GIs used 5-6 mm plastic pellets) could still seriously injure human target, especially pedestrians who are not equipped with eye protection.

  • cm

    Perhaps the released video of the driver driving away from the cops, is confusing a lot of people. That scene was just a precursor to the police shooting. The cops stopped the car, but the guys in it refused to cooperate and ran. That was the beginning of the troubles, with the high speed chase through the city with a policeman in a taxi in a hot persuit. After being cornered by the policeman in the taxi, the policeman got out of the taxi to arrest the suspects. The shots were fired when the driver of the car tried to run down the policeman.

  • cm

    According to the policeman’s brief testimony from his hospital bed, his back was against the wall and he thought he was going to die. So if he is telling the truth, the driver of the car was attempting to kill the cop who was not blocking the car. That is an attempted cold blooded murder in my books. In the US, I’m sure with that testimony of the officer alone, the guys in the car would have been charged with attempted murder. But since this is Korea, they’ll get a slap on the wrist for dangerous driving.

  • cm

    They’re only getting charged with dangerous driving. What do you think they’re going to get, public humiliation followed by the execution chair? Are you freaking kidding me? It is extremely rare for Korean cops to pull their guns, and even more rarer for them to shoot the gun. They are under strict orders not to shoot or kill until they are absolutely sure. And I’ve been reading your posts, you are assuming a lot about the Korean police, when you say there are investigations done after each shootings in the US, but at the same time suggesting that the Korean police don’t investigate such shootings by one of its own. How do you know there won’t be a police investigation to the shooting?

    So what are you trying to say? This was what? Police incompetence? Racism? Police abuse of guns? Police brutality? For fun? Can you explain what possible motive the policeman would have to shoot that driver?

  • cm

    US police officers better be trained better. You have far more dangerous violent criminals who shoot up the cities where they are awashed in drug trade and guns. The Korean police’s approach to talk to law breakers wouldn’t work at all in the US where they’ll kill you if you give them the wrong look. You are joking right? There has been one police shooting this year in Korea. And you make it sound as if the incompetent Korean police are shooting up the places indiscriminately. And who says there won’t be an inquiry to the shooting?

  • j.kimchi

    Alright Andrew Barbour, why don’t you give your Korean gf or another foreigner an air rifle, take her to NYC times square, and tell her to do the exact same thing and see the reaction. She’d be shot dead within 5 minutes.

    Better yet, put your money where you’re mouth is…why don’t you take an air rifle to the London Underground or Japan and start firing at civilians. Let’s see how long you last buddy…but hey, it should be ok, right bro? Come the fuck on! It’s only an air rifle, you should be confident you’ll be fine!

  • wangkon936

    I once aimed a bb gun (pump action Daisy rife) straight into my buddy’s ear when we were like 12 years old. I thought I’d scare him by shooting just air into his ear because I thought the rifle didn’t have a bb in it. However, I though that even the air coming out could do some damage so I aimed the gun into the hallway instead and pulled the trigger. Lo and behold, there was actually a round in the chamber and the bb bounced around the hallway. To this day my buddy and I theorized if I actually did pull the trigger, he might be dead.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    so…its he said she said? And cops never lie?

  • Cloudfive

    These three troublemakers fled from the police, led them on a high speed chase, threw away their air/BB guns, hit and damaged other cars and property, ditched their car before returning to base and said they were shot at by Arabs. Who are you going to believe?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Not the police in any circumstances.

  • http://humesbastard.wordpress.com/ Hume’s Bastard

    Let’s just extol fascism while we’re at it!

  • http://humesbastard.wordpress.com/ Hume’s Bastard

    Sovereignty? Military honor?

    We are not friends with Korea, just allies. If the US Army erred, then it also needs to correct this. I remind you the UCMJ is often more draconian than any civilian code of law, too. Conviction in a proper court, dishonorable discharge, and restitution seems right. But, I have no faith that a South Korean court could handle this matter. Between a circus in either venue, I would take a jury of soldiers over even South Korea’s experiments with jury trials. Does anyone know if this case would be handled by just a panel of judges, or a limited jury?

  • Bob Bobbs

    So true.

  • Bob Bobbs

    Tell that to the dead Mongolian the Korean police were torturing by putting a gun in his mouth that ‘accidentally’ discharged back in 2004.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Its called the thin blue line for a reason: they stick up or each other and would lie to protect one another. I have no faith in their word.

  • yangachibastardo

    I prefer to call it Darwinism at work

  • http://www.rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    Clearly, with all these racist, lying K cops looking to keep whitey down, what you need is your very own expat Christopher Dorner.

  • Cloudfive

    You brought up fascism to an Italian. That’s racist!

  • Cloudfive

    Oh…in 2004. Here are my links to police shootings in the U.S. in the past month from another thread. Not one consisted of a mere 3 bullets shot. Dozens to hundreds of bullets shot at unarmed and fleeing suspects. In the Torrance case, the ladies were just sitting in their car delivering newspapers.

    Recent shootings by American cops(feb-march 2013):

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/… ”
    When police approached the vehicle, the suspects apparently attempted to flee by ramming the patrol car and nearly running over the responding officers. Police fired at the vehicle, hitting two of the suspects in the car. After a brief chase, the police arrested five suspects in total. The two who suffered gunshot wounds are expected to survive, according to the Free Press.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/bre
    (routine traffic stop)
    HAYWARD– A 19-year-old passenger in a car who was killed by Hayward police during a chase Sunday was an unintended victim as officers fired at the driver, a police spokesman said Tuesday, and authorities will seek homicide charges against the man behind the wheel.

    http://reason.com/blog/2013/02… (137 shots were fired at pursued car, killing two. No shell casings or gun recovered from victims)

    http://philadelphia.cbslocal.c

    http://seattletimes.com/html/l

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_new
    A mother and daughter who were mistakenly shot by Los Angeles police hunting for rampage suspect Christopher Dorner had no warning before bullets started whizzing through their newspaper-delivery truck, their lawyer said Friday.
    http://ametia.files.wordpress….

  • Bob Bobbs

    He’s still dead.

  • Cloudfive

    What was his name and what was he detained for?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Its not K cops its all cops everywhere

  • Anonymous_Joe

    And I’ve been reading your posts, you are assuming a lot about the Korean police, when you say there are investigations done after each shootings in the US, but at the same time suggesting that the Korean police don’t investigate such shootings by one of its own. How do you know there won’t be a police investigation to the shooting?

    cm, I’m assuming there will be. I also assume the investigation should and will be adversarial. I get the feeling that many think this police officer should be given his own T.J. Hooker spinoff and be done with it.

    I am in no way defending these idiots. I believe in process.