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Good riddance you fat pig!
Already blaming the US…or maybe that is still blaming the US for his illness and now death. When you have internal problems, focus your people to an imaginary outside threat……good plan, I like it!
Venezuela is fucked. Chavez was a fat, vile pig, but he isn’t unique in that country, or region. as long as these men care only about keeping power, there’s no hope.
you couldn’t link to a single news story without a paywall in front of it?
the pay wall doesnt cover the whole page so you can read still the article
I always insist on seeing a stake through the heart of people like him before accepting his death.
There are photos, or maybe even footage, of him on his knees begging God for his life. I think that’s as close to a stake as you will get.
I’m not surprised by some of the comments. In the eyes of Americans, friendly dictators are swell guys, but defiant democratically elected leaders are vilified.
The fact is he was a villain. He centralized all power with himself, and stripped his people of all rights. Venezuela became a banana republic with one man having ultimate power and no checks on his power whatsoever. a country run on the whim of a nutcase. if you did not tow the line, you were eliminated or removed. He was a vile villain, and you’re vile for even defending this fat, dead pig.
See what I was saying. He fed the poor. He developped the economy. He was democratically elected several times.
Venezuela was already a banana republic, with a corrupt, ineffectual political class. But Chavez made it into an autocracy with elections, a newish form of dictatorship practiced among Chavez followers in Latin America, Putin’s Russia and Iran. Venezuela has nowhere to go but up now, but it probably will sink into violent struggle.
I wrote a Haiku for Chavez:
Fat pig
A fat fat pig
Pig dead
He made the poor poorer. He developed nothing. He stole from western companies. if not for oil it would be sub saharan Africa poor. He violated the constitution and won through intimidation and fraud. Winning elections means nothing. Stalin won elections, too.
“But Chavez made it into an autocracy with elections, a newish form of
dictatorship practiced among Chavez followers in Latin America, Putin’s
Russia and Iran.”
I want you to think long and hard about what you just said. Iran … Russia … neither of those are “democratic” countries. They have centralized power structures that use’s rigged elections to chose the leader / puppet they want. Chavez just skipped the shadow government part and chose himself as “dear leader”. There was never any “open” elections, just the same thing Putin did.
It’s good the guy is gone, hopefully they can get a government in place that as term limits and some form of accountability and checks & balances.
Interesting article on the dead fat pig
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/chavez_grim_legacy_i5Es9gFA4HrCRJANYPTZkK?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=OpedColumnists
anyone defending this rotting fat corpse is a moron
Cato’s Juan Carlos Hidalgo: “Venezuela now lies at the bottom of hemispheric rankings on institutional quality and political and civil liberties. Ironically, Chavez used elections, referenda and legal technicalities to destroy vital democratic institutions, such as the separation of powers and the independence of media — a model later replicated in Ecuador, Bolivia and Nicaragua.
…Venezuela’s social fabric will take years, if not decades, to mend. According to Transparency International, it’s now the most corrupt nation in Latin America. It’s also one of the most violent, with a staggering murder rate of 73 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants.
And it’s easy to see the situation deteriorating further in the wake of Chavez’s death. The government armed and trained at least 25,000 civilians for a militia bent on “defending the revolution.” None of Chavez’s likely successors seems to command the loyalty (or even the sympathy) of these die-hard chavistas. Disgruntled radical elements armed with Russian rifles could perpetrate even more violence in the months ahead.”
You’d be singing a different song if he wasn’t a socialist.
Hummm….
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/544104_407078086054201_2088098987_n.jpg
Yeah, as opposed to close allies to the US like Saudi Arabia. Now, that’s a prime example of freedom and democracy.
Id be singing the same song if he were fascist or any form of statist.
It isn’t, how the fuck does that excuse the fat pig?
Deficient in the attention span department? It relates to the first comment I made. And personal attacks? That’s the best you can do now? I’ll take that as you admitting defeat. Never enter a battle of wits unarmed, little buddy.
False equivalence aside, you don’t have a point.
The point is clear, youre too dimwitted to get it. Chavez was a strongman who destroyed any vestiges of an open, inclusive, pluralistic society and turned Venezuela into his personal little bank for unlimited withdrawals. He was a savage brute and its good riddance to him.
Look, I have no love for friendly dictators nor for my own government. To me they are all a shade of shit. So I am not going to judge the goodness or badness of a regime based on such crude arguments as friendly or hostile to my own government. The enemy of my government is not my enemy nor is the friend of my government my friend. I do not judge Chavez on his anti-Americanism, I judge him on his thieving, bullying, terrorizing of his own people. Kapish?
Just because he didn’t play nice with US interests doesn’t mean he’s a bad guy. The taxes on oil companies (who still made huge profits) paid for free healthcare and education for all. If that’s socialism bring it on, the world needs a little wealth redistribution. The US government has supported some very, very unsavoury regimes in SA, CA and other places with far worse track records than Venezuela..
Sure, if you say so.
PS. People were so terrorized, the majority of them reelected him last year. Oh, right. The will of the poor doesn’t count. Democracy is only for the rich.
Continuing to show your warm-bucket-of-spit class, I see.
Speaking of fat dead pigs, Man U is out !!! 2 great news in 1 day
There’s one fundamental difference btween Vlad and the other fellas: Venezuela went down the toilet under Chavez, Iran economy is in a precarious state too with high inflation and low growth. Russia under Putin tenure vastly improved
Kim Jong Il won a few elections in his life, and Stalin also won a few. Elections in states like Venezuela, North Korea, Soviet Union mean squat because the people are either terrorized to vote for the strongman thug, have their votes bought or ballot boxes are stuffed with fraudulent ballots.
Venezuela is neither the Soviet Union or North Korea, and you know it.
Correct, they speak Spanish in Venezuela and Korean in North Korea, while the Soviet Union no longer exists.
Another spoiled western leftists admiring socialist dictators and strongmen from his comfy home in a capitalist country.
Well, we all know that’s not true.
And how do you know this?
Uh, PCH?
I never defended PCH. You missed the point totally. The point was that the progs were getting ready to hang PGH for the sins of her father, which to me is ridiculous considering we do not choose our parents. But they we do choose our friends and I cannot imagine a worse friend to choose than Roh.
The number of people below the poverty line in Venezuela went from 67% in 1997 down to 27.4% in 2011. Whatever you may think of Chavez’s slide into caudillismo, you cannot possibly claim that he did not alleviate poverty.
So *that*’s what you meant when you sat there and said that Yushin Constitution wasn’t all that bad. I see. Why? Because it’s fascism (monarchy, really), but pro-capitalism?
quote me because you’re just making things up
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2012/12/26/so-much-for-togetherness/#comment-748216868
Okay. I’m just making things up. Mhm.
I know what I said, you bum, I meant you are lying about the meaning of what I said.
Read it again. It is a defense of PGH not really of Yushin, first of all, specifically of what she said about Yushin and the alleged 180 degree flip flop. Second, saying “it was not 100% bad does not mean it was “100% good.” There were abuses, which I acknowledged, but there were also positive benefits.
Which you used to positively evaluate a coup-created fascist in comparison to a democratically elected progressive politician. Thus, “Id be singing the same song if he were fascist or any form of statist.” is a complete bullshit.
Not true. We were not talking about PCH, we were discussing PGH’s statement on Yushin. But I will say this, democracy does not sanctify, so I dont give a crap if a prog is elected or not. You may have picked up my disdain for democracy somwehere along the way. I
Then you cannot be taken seriously by anyone here, and your comments then become even more laughable (you hate democracy, so why would you even have a problem with Chavez in the first place? What baseline are you basing your disdain of Chavez (or Democracy for that matter) from? Total anarchy?)
I dislike democracy but that does not mean I am for dictatorships.
Here’s a clue: on a continuum from good to bad, democracy lands somewhere in the middle, not on any extreme. I hate democracy because it is a way of justifying what cannot be justified: the State. Its as if “hey a majority has voted therefore the actions of the elected state are now sanctified.” Democracy is every day becoming more unrestrained, to the point where its all on the table and the majority can fuck with a minority under this cloak of democracy. Is democracy better than a rapacious dictator? Sure, it does offer SOME checks on power, but these are eroding quickly as people realize that through democracy they can get anything they want. The analogy of pigs feeding a a trough is very apt.
Your vendetta against the state expressed through the means created by the political, social, technological, and infrastructural involvement of the state is quite amusing. Mull over if you could’ve said the same thing publicly if you were a Korean under PCH. Then think about if you could’ve said the same thing publicly if you were a Korean under RMH. Then think about the impact of PGH’s defense of Yushin during the election time. Then consider your own assessment of the Yushin constitution.
Or, just keep on rambling about the minimalist state like the freshman who just discovered Ayn Rand last week that exists in every college ever. Make sure to use the infrastructure set up by the “statist” government ‘oppressing the people’ wherever you are though. I love it when ridiculous-libertarians like you do that.
i love this argument, its about the most simplistic argument one can make. There was a guy in Austria a few years ago who imprisoned his daughter in his basement and raped her for a decade eventually to impregnate her. Your argument would pretty much be like telling her that “look, he fed you and put a roof over your head, don’t be ungrateful.”
The government takes i upon itself to lock out competition in the provision of services and infrastructure. and it surely does not do it out of the goodness of its heart. This maybe would be a good argument if I had full choice between public and private providers, but I do not. As far as I know the electricity provider is a monopoly enforced by the state. I have no choice since the State has its finger in nearly every pot. Am I to be grateful for this? Or am I to shut up? I refuse to do either.
Then get the hell out of whatever country you’re in. No one is forcing you to stay under the rapist father’s house (unlike the Austrian rapist), save for the creature comfort that you’ll lose out on that you clearly do not value. There are plenty of places in this world where the government (any government) has very minimal presence. Should be fun for you.
Every square inch of land on this planet belongs to some state…where should I go? Somalia? Nope, still a state, a failed one, but still a state
Antarctica.
Middle of the Amazon. Highly doubt the Brazilian government has the capacity to ‘govern’ the deepest parts of the Amazon. Now, I know there won’t be electricity, modern medicine, transportation, refrigeration, communication, entertainment, etc., but that’s just the bait that the evil state uses to entice you, isn’t it? Go on then. Walden it up.
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