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And on the ‘improvement’ surgery front

Over at Haps, James Turnbull looks at South Korea’s line obsession, (e.g. “S-line”, “V-line”, “X-line”) and those that push them. He has some especially choice words for the “Bagel Girl” concept.

One more, is the deeply misogynistic, almost pedophilic label ‘bagel girl’ heavily promoted in the media, the “bay” referring to young, “baby” faces, and the “gul” referring to “glamour,” which means large breasts in Korean.

Problematic just for the blatant objectification alone, what is particularly worrisome is that the term is used only for young women, rather than middle-aged ones for whom looking youthful might be considered a plus. Pause to consider what charming individuals would be attracted to busty 18-year-olds with childlike faces, and it’s difficult not to conclude that it’s the combination of developed bodies and implied childlike personalities that is the real attraction.

And while the public may get caught up in the craze, it all starts, much as in the West, with a product to push.

Expectations surrounding women’s bodies—in the West and Asia—that endure to this day, are all manifestations of the same, utterly utilitarian, reductionist view of women upon which modern consumerism relies.

You can read the rest here.

On a personal note: I have a pretty decent doughnut working around my waist, but I imagine there is little in the marketing schemes of the fashion industry aimed at “doughnut boys.” Though nothing a little Photoshop can’t remedy (or at least present something for me to aspire to).



 

And on the ‘dentist got your tongue?’ front:

You might remember Ms. Brooksbank-Jones, she of the UK, who had her tongue lengthened to speak better Korean. Now, some Korean dentists are apparently pushing tongue surgery on their patients for better pronunciation of English.

From the Korea Times:

The doctor in charge came back with a proposition: Wouldn’t you like to fix your tongue to improve his pronunciation in English, especially the “l” and the “r.”

Since he was quite confident in his English language skills, he said he did not need the procedure but the doctor kept insisting on the need to correct his tongue.

That’s all folks.

About the author: Founder/CEO of Meme Communications Korea – www.memecommunications.com

  • Thats

    Waist.

  • bumfromkorea

    almost pedophilic label ‘bagel girl’

    Almost?

  • http://www.facebook.com/bobbymc Bobby McGill

    Thanks. I’d like to lay waste to my waist. Going for a hike now :D

  • will.i.aint

    Isn’t the tongue surgery trick for improving English old news? From maybe five years ago or so?

  • martypants

    Tongue surgery has got to be the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard of….since Fan Death

  • http://www.facebook.com/bobbymc Bobby McGill

    Yah, I’ve seen it before, not sure how long ago. Thought it interesting that the Docs are actively pushing it.

  • One for all

    I’d say it’s more of a hebephillic persuasion, given that the preference is for ‘teenage-looking’ girls

  • keyinjpop

    Seems about right since prepubescent girls don’t have big breasts.

  • keyinjpop

    Nice picture you put up, Bobby. What lettered line is it?

  • que337

    Many wishful thoughts and sexual fantasies that hardly met in real life. For the sake of photoshop, doughnut bellies could make the job a lot simpler than anorexic waist and hip which need pasting phantom flesh on it.

  • wangkon936

    Maybe she’s born with it? Maybe it’s Fotoshop by Adobé:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_vVUIYOmJM

  • pawikirogii

    about ten years ago, i read an article about the most attractive female body shape for men here in the west. that body would be found on a 14 year old girl or so said the article. the link below from ‘psychology today’ does not say 14 y.o. girl but the description they give of the ideal female shape sounds like the body of 14 yo girl. if mr grand- narrative could move beyond his villification of korean men, he might be able to see that the operative word in ‘korean men’ is MEN.

    this is a pattern, isn’t it? all these angry white men constantly criticising korea in an attempt to denigrate the country and it’s people while being unable to control their desire for the korean woman. if they ain’t writing about abusive korean men, they’re showing us pictures of bare breasted korean women from long ago. no wonder wangkon is starting to lose his cool.

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cutting-edge-leadership/201207/which-body-shapes-are-most-sexually-attractive

  • wangkon936

    Please do not bring me into this. Thank you.

    FYI, my “loss of cool” was with just one specific person and issue.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    Twisting the author’s words just a little, eh?

  • SomeguyinKorea

    Those doctors should lose their licenses to practice. It’s quack medicine. Language acquisition is a neurological process. Slicing off the frenulum of the tongue won’t change that.

  • pawikirogii

    i ain’t bringing you into anything, sir, and i’ll being you up anytime i like. you don’t ask me for permission when you mention me, do you? as for ‘one specific’ person, you should look over your posts again. your tone is becoming sharp. maybe you just don’t see it but i do. lastly, about twisting words:

    ‘One more, is the deeply misogynistic, almost pedophilic label….’

    a white guy in korea using the word misogyny?noooooooooooooo!

  • Gaeranee

    I agree but want to add that it is also a muscular practice — exercising your tongue muscle to move to make certain sounds. You can learn all you want but speaking must be practiced. This tongue surgery is truly pathetic. Dentists preying upon people’s laziness, impatience and naivete.

  • http://www.gofundme.com/1k98a8 Jakgani

    Why is the Korean times calling dentists “doctors” and why are dentists qualified to perform tongue surgery in Korea?

  • http://www.facebook.com/gojaejin Jeremy J. Goard

    “Muscular practice” *is* neurological. As far as physically strengthening the muscle through exercise, well, the tongue is an extremely strong muscle, and phonation is not even close to the work it does while eating (let alone — ahem — extracurricular activities), so the idea of strengthening it through language practice is pretty dubious. Like someguy said, it’s the brain that’s getting strengthened.

  • Gaeranee

    Not sure what your point is here. Who said muscular practice is just neurological? The point is not that you’re strengthening your tongue through language practice or kissing. The point is that when you practice speaking a language, your tongue muscle will be better able to pronounce certain words. If that weren’t the case, people can just listen to Korean all day without practicing speaking it and be able to speak it fluently.

  • Gaeranee

    Did they photoshop her long arm or does she naturally have freakishly long arms?

  • SomeguyinKorea

    You’re diverting from the original point. Explain how that tongue surgery can help.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    Well, it’s not just in South Korea. I knew a dentist in the USFK who had a job lined up in cosmetic surgery for after his discharge.

  • Gaeranee

    You mean digressing? Wow, you must have poor reading comprehension. When did I ever say the surgery helps? I think it’s sick and stupid.

  • hardyandtiny

    Turnbull is a waste of time. Sex sells. The more you can get away with, the better. Complaining about women portrayed as sexual objects or children is like complaining about why we have to die.

  • hardyandtiny

    are they not doctors?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Note to Turnbull: youth has always, for millenia, been attractive and being attracted to 18 year olds is hardly pedophilic. Other than that, congrats on taking the term “one trick pony” to the extreme. Every post of yours is pretty much the same thing. No, not even same general subject but pretty much the same thing, worded differently, but still the same. But hey, those photos sure drive the traffic, eh?

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  • SomeguyinKorea

    Wow, you must not have many friends.

  • platethief

    Seems the censors are out. I’ve tried linking a Korea Times article to the staggering amount of Korean visitor’s to underage prostitutes in South East Asia. Both times deleted. Not sure why, I’d say it’s fairly relevant to the topic.

  • que337

    Even though it was a 2007/2008 report, Child Wise Australia’s research based on information reported by ASEAN governments might tell more comprehensive feature:

    “According to these figures, and recognising that they represent only those for whom nationality
    was known, alleged offenders came from a wide range of nationalities with German, Dutch,
    American, British and French being the most prevalent.”

  • wangkon936

    We don’t censor links unless they were blocked by the blog’s software. You should email Rob about it.

  • wangkon936

    I actually like some of his posts, but you are right. He is beginning to sound the same all the time. He also seems to believe that Korea is the only place where plastic surgery, gender inequality, opposite sex objectification, photoshopping of modeling shoots, etc. ever occur. He needs to go back to Australia for some time and just see how society is changing overall. Plastic surgery is getting more common in the West, society is becoming more sexualized and photoshopping of model pictures are rampant everywhere.

  • wangkon936

    Most dentists have a DDS = Doctorate of Dentistry Surgery. They are doctors. They are just not MEDICAL doctors.

  • Bob Bobbs

    Oh yeah? Then why does the doctor in The Hangover make fun of the guy claiming to be a doctor by saying, ‘You’re really just a dentist?’ BOOM! Hollywood is always right!

  • platethief

    You prickly defensiveness says much.

    Your link is to a five-year-old report that only accounts for arrests. The Interpol survey is recent and uses data from workers themselves.

    I guess this is one ‘hallyu’ we won’t be hearing too much about.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Shouldn’t the Grand Narrative, which is by no means grand, be renamed the Repetitive Narrative?

  • yangachibastardo

    Wait: you’re basically telling me the eurotrash crowd in S.E. Asia, on top of being a bunch of slimy pedos, are also the dumbest fucks in town and always end up getting caught ? Makes sense

  • platethief

    Did you read the article? Most of the paedos are from Korea.

    You have a strange sense of morality if you think not getting caught for beinga paedo is something that should be held in higher esteem

  • yangachibastardo

    NO i said that being a pedo is one of the slimiest things you can be in life (if not the slimiest), but being on top of that a dumbass who get caught all the time is somewhat ironic…and about your article, well everything is possible but i really don’t believe it, sorry.

    Most pedos are Central and Northern Europeans, no matter how much you try to spin it

  • platethief

    ‘and about your article, well everything is possible but i really don’t believe it, sorry.’

    Good on you. I also refuse to believe the earth is round.

    ‘Most pedos are Central and Northern Europeans, no matter how much you try to spin it’

    Perhaps you should try to get your extensive research published.

  • que337

    The KT article failed to provide comparative statistics among nationalities, but only give what “civic activists” and “interpol officers in Cambodia sarcastically” commented. ‘Observer bias’ could be intervened depending on who or how you interviewed, so that other news article would say different story:

    The organization described the average sex tourist as a middle-aged white male from either Europe or North America who often goes online to find the “best deals.” [Source: ABC News]

    I’m not saying that it is not lamentable that some Koreans do sex tourism to South East Asia (I think they are good candidates for ‘chemical castration’). I’m asking for more comprehensive and comparative statistics that support the civic activists’ subjective assessment.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    James Turnbull, and the castrated ilk like him, really bother me. There is a very explicit assumption at the root of every one of his posts that women are the helpless, unwilling little children thrown around by forces of male chauvinism. And that it is the sort of castrated new male, white knight, that can save them by exposing these sinister forces. What a load of bull. Women are not stupid. They know the ways to getting what they want. Some get that by achieving success in some professional field. Some take the easier route of using their sexuality for gain. Neither group is stupid, neither is helpless. The latter is simply shallow, vapid and manipulative. To see what Turnbull sees, and to write the sort of dry, boring, pseudo-intellectual crap that takes the most fascinating subject – women – and turns it into something as dry as dust, and slanders a whole gender – males – takes a real turncoat.

  • platethief

    Your link is to an article that is 7 years old.

    They don’t need to give comparatives, they stated the superlative. In much the same way an article that reads ‘Coca-Cola is the most drunk soft drink in the world’ doesn’t need to cite the drinks which are the 2nd, 3rd or even 7th most consumed in order to validate a story about that which is first.

    Now they know there is a large problem with Korean men using children for sex in SE Asia, it’s time the aurhorities did more to combat it.

  • platetheif

    Thanks.

    My bad!

  • wangkon936

    I don’t understand why he complains about it, then uses a ton of sexualized images. He didn’t do that a few years ago, but he does it a lot now. I almost forget what he’s blabbering about.

  • wangkon936

    I think people are tired of him rehashing old stuff and just rearranging the words, thus the pictures are getting more explicit to keep the viewership numbers up.

  • yangachibastardo

    With all the due respect i have other things to do with my life than researching a topic about which, other than the occasional chill to my backbone (worth a comment or two), i couldn’t care less about.

    Equating the results of some partial observational fieldwork with the shape of the earth seems a bit presumptuous.

    And yes i do believe there are more pedophiles in Germanic countries than other places, Different cultures breed different dysfunctions. For the same reason there is more organised crime in Italy and Russia than Norway, more gang-related violence among black Americans than white Americans, more alcoholism and school bullism in Korea than Malaysia and so on

  • que337

    My point is that depending on interviewer and interviewees — in the KT article, “civic activists” and “sarcastic” comment of “interpol officers in Cambodia” and in the ABC news article, another civic group, “the coalition to Fight Against Child Exploitation” — their overview of the racial profile of the criminals could be varied. So without any support of comparative statistics, their claims should be given the benefit of doubt. At least, 2007/2008 research by ‘Child Wise Australia’ provides comprehensive statistics, which the KT article lack.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    and thus the great new male is turning to the sexual exploitation he so rails against. Is it just me or is it impossible to read through the thousands of words long posts without falling asleep?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Well, if by pedo you mean “people who illegally engage in sexual acts with minors, and are prosecuted for it to the fullest extent of the law,” then I agree. But if we drop the part about prosecution then, suddenly, a whole bunch of Koreans become pedos, too. The Korean legal system takes sexual molestation and rape as a joke, giving pedophiles suspended sentences, no sentences or pathetically light sentences, and thereby pretty much saying “if you’re an older male, or if you can pay off the poor victims, go ahead, molest and rape, this is your birthright as a Korean man.” Raping boys wasn’t even a crime here until very recently.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I agree that “different cultures breed different dysfunctions” I however disagree about letting Koreans off the hook for pedophilia. But I have noticed that the Korean version has an added element of violence to it. The German pedo goes to Thailand and sticks to sex..the Korean pedo adds violent assault and murder to his pedophilia.

  • platethief

    I understood your point. It’s just of no relevance.

    ‘their overview of the racial profile of the criminals could be varied and bias intervened. So without any support of comparative statistics, their claims could be given the benefit of doubt. At least, 2007/2008 research by ‘Child Wise Australia’ provides comprehensive statistics, which the KT article lack.’

    See my above point. The superlative is given, no need for comparatives since who ever conducted the survey must have contrasted the results in order to ascertain which variant had a higher frequency.

    I can’t help but wonder whether you’d be so quick to dismiss this evidence if the findings were that Japanese men were the most prolific visitors to child sex slaves in SE Asia.

  • platethief

    Surely from your line of thinking we should take it that paedophilia is a dysfunction of Korean society. From my time there, I certainly heard enough horrific stories about abuses against young children.

    Or are we to base our views only on what you believe, regardless of any contrary evidence.

  • que337

    The supulative is given by the civic activists without “verifiable statistics.” That’s why I am wondering about the validity of the study.

  • platethief

    platethieIt`s very telling how you are interested only in `verifiable statics`in relation to certain countries`sex crimes overseas, and yet denounce others who ask for this in other cases as `deniers`and `apologists`

  • que337

    I would take your stance more seriously if you have trusted other surveys done and reported at the KT: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/10/117_53601.html

  • platethief

    Totally unrelated link.

    By your own dubious standards in relation to the comfort women issue, you are acting the denier of those children abused by Korean men in SE Asia. But I had a feeling you would.

  • que337

    It’s not totally unrelated given that vehement ‘denying’ and ‘apologetic’ reactions that occurred among commentariats here. And I’m not denying child abuse by Korean men in SE Asia. I said they deserve the punishment of chemical castration. What I’m dubious about is the report that now Korea topped the child sex tourism over Germans and other Westerners. As for statistics and records of ‘comfort women’ I posted the Yuki tanaka’s research: http://www.rjkoehler.com/2013/02/01/comfort-women-uncle-shinzo-feels-your-pain/#comment-786757674

  • platetheif

    So, let me get this straight, you’re denying the veracity of the figures in relation to these sex offences and demanding further proof?

  • que337

    Could you get me the “figures” you said I have denied so that I could assess the veracity?

  • platethief

    ‘I also demand more extensive research that could support the report on Koreans child sex tourism in SE Asia.’

    Hypocrisy is a wondrous thing.

  • Cloudfive

    Hey douchebag, if you no longer live in Korea why do you have a need to come stalk Korea related blogs to belittle Korean men? Do you have an inferiority complex? Why is it that you and your ilk are quick to whine about unfair portrayals of foreigners and foreigner crime in tabloids such as the Korea Times but find no irony in linking to a completely unsubstantiated editorial from the same paper? Try substituting the word American or the nationality of whatever country you’re from in the same piece and imagine how you would react?

    Que linked to an old report because that’s what he could find. His report is listed here: http://www.childwise.net/Resources/online-publications.html

    From the same source, a report titled Who are the Child Sex Tourists in Cambodia? A Research Report states “the first clients of interviewees came from a wide range of nationalities. The majority of these were Khmer (51), followed by Western (12) and Chinese (11) (see Table 4)” see attached table 4: Employment and Residence of offenders: “Child sex offenders are likely to gain access to the local community via residential and employment means. They tend to be short or long-term residents with privately-rented homes, and a large number of child sex offenders were/are employed in the education sector, mainly as English teachers.

    The most recent(2012) report available online is related to Human Trafficking in general and is available on the U.S. Department of State website: http://www.state.gov/j/tip/rls/tiprpt/2012/index.htm

    The Trafficking In Persons Report lists South Korea as the ONLY country in ASIA with a Tier 1 rating- an equivalent rating to Norway. Attached South Korea page 210 The 2012 report gives South Korea a Tier 1 rating from 2005 through 2012.

    Please get back to me when you can link to FACTS or an actual report to back up your allegations.

  • Cloudfive

    **attachments for my comment above. (let’s try again)

  • Cloudfive

    Attached data for my comment:

  • platethief

    In case it’s somehow escaped your limited attention, this is a Korean news website aggregator, linking news stories about Korea. As somehow who lived in a country, why wouldn’t I still have an interest in that country? And why then wouldn’t I want to choose a popular website known for linking some of the more interesting stories so I don’t have to trawl through online papers?

    ‘why do you have a need to … to belittle Korean men?’

    You mean paedophiles? Or are you suggesting paedophiles are representative of most Korean men?

    ‘Why is it that you and your ilk are quick to whine about unfair portrayals of foreigners and foreigner crime in tabloids such as the Korea Times but find no irony in linking to a completely unsubstantiated editorial from the same paper?’

    You’re arguing with yourself there. As you say, media portrayals of foreigners are often ‘unfair’ because they are based purely on prejudice with no statistics to back them up. The report in the Korea Times was based on both Interpol and the Korean Institute of Criminology’s findings. Are you really suggesting this organisation would publish false, defamatory statistics about citizens of its own country, claiming they are paedophiles?

    Lastly your links are red-herrings, since the files you have linked deal only with human trafficking in Korea, not the use of child sex workers by Koreans in SE Asia.

    Frankly, I have no reason to doubt the findings, but have no intention of trawling through endless government documents when several newspapers have cited the findings.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/koreans-men-are-top-sex-tourists-southeast-asiahttp://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2013/01/30/2013013001376.html

  • Cloudfive

    My point is that there are NO STATISTICS, just hearsay.

  • platethief

    So the Korea Institute of Criminology and Interpol do not have figures?

    Or are you claiming that, for some reason, the Korean media are maliciously making these claims up?

  • lastnamekim

    Maybe it’s just me, but the girl’s pic on the right makes her look like she has a really long right arm.