Open Thread #280

by robert neff on January 26, 2013

in Korean History, Open Thread

What would you sacrifice for your country?

{ 52 comments… read them below or add one }

1 Adams-awry January 26, 2013 at 10:21 am

Fist of Fun, bro.

2 Scott N January 26, 2013 at 11:44 am

Japan is the future, man.

3 The Sanity Inspector January 26, 2013 at 1:06 pm

What would I do for my country? Stay off the welfare rolls, maybe sign some online petitions, stand for the national anthem…

4 que337 January 26, 2013 at 1:28 pm

“Hurry up and die” for your country. – Mr. Aso

5 SalarymaninSeoul January 26, 2013 at 5:34 pm

I wouldnt sacrifice a thing for my country. I would reject it instead.

6 GeorgeSmith January 26, 2013 at 6:33 pm

Japan is the nuclear disaster country.

7 Jieun K January 26, 2013 at 7:02 pm

Will the torch of nationalism ever be extinguished? Will anarchism ever take hold as a new Zeitgeist? I’d say it could. It probably would at some point in the future.

Anarchy (as absence of a central political authority) will start to make more sense to more people in the First World in the 21st century and beyond. I’d rather live stateless in anarchy than in a state of ongoing nationalistic frenzy and demagoguery.

8 SalarymaninSeoul January 26, 2013 at 7:57 pm

Seasteading is a trend that I am certain will grow strong in the future. When we realize that we do not need governments anarchism will come naturally. But we have a daily, non-stop brainwashing going on aimed at keeping us dependent on government.

9 SalarymaninSeoul January 26, 2013 at 7:59 pm

Watching the women’s tennis final. Wonderful example of government ineptness: 15 minutes of fireworks in the middle of the 3rd set. Don’t those morons in city government have televisions? Gee, the biggest sporting even in your country this year and you go and ruin it with a lame fireworks show? Truly, government can never get things right.

10 SalarymaninSeoul January 26, 2013 at 8:03 pm

http://www.ussc.gov/ Anonymous is starting a thermonuclear war. Now, the SC justices are catfish sized but I would think Anonymous has some dirt on the sharks in that sewer.

11 Jeff Harris January 26, 2013 at 11:23 pm

That comment just adds to your aura as MH’s resident sociopath.

12 Jeff Harris January 27, 2013 at 12:53 am

In the ‘Koreana for $2.00 (C) or Less’ category, I’ll have you Holers know that I got ‘A New History of Korea’ by Ki-baik Lee and Fred Lukoff’s ‘An Introductory Course in Korean’, most of which I know but it’s a good refresher, as well as reliving the frustration of trying to understand a few grammar stems (the ‘ha go don’ stuff) – these two books were on the for-free table at a thrift store.

13 dlbarch January 27, 2013 at 1:46 am

That “last full measure of devotion.”

But I’d try my best to take as many of America’s enemies with me.

DLB

14 yangachibastardo January 27, 2013 at 4:16 am

What would i do for my country ? Kill a bunch of French, German, Spanish, British etc. fucks who are the biggest, scummiest thieves in the world and still have the guts to patronise us while their dirty, retarded banks are costing me tons of my tax money.

Not gonna happen ? Well a man is allowed to dream, isn’t he ?

15 Shelton Bumgarner January 27, 2013 at 4:26 am

I only post this because it’s an open thread, but here’s a link musing on if North Korea is still a “rational actor.” I, for one, would be willing to join the American military to defend South Korea, but I’m too old. Sigh. http://www.asiapundits.com/regions/korea/is-north-korea-still-a-rational-actor/

16 Jieun K January 27, 2013 at 4:52 am

I recommend an awesome soundtrack for your daydream of a righteous rampage. A non-stop, sonic bombardment that will make you a Headbanga.

17 yangachibastardo January 27, 2013 at 5:31 am

Wait you 2, i don’t consider myself a nationalist as i have no love for my country neither i think my culture is superior to anyone or things like that. I just tend to stick to people who resemble me the most in terms of language, superficial cultural and genetic traits etc. as a i basically detest the foreigners around us, and by that i don’t mean the immigrants, but our esteemed EU **brothers**

In my case nationalism is not a goal it is just a mean to fight what i consider the enemies of my individual interests and while i can get along with persons from countries i profoundly detest and despise, still i wish every ill to their host nations.

I call it self-defense nationalism, some sort of tribal allegiance based on self-interest

18 Kuiwon January 27, 2013 at 12:16 pm

Indeed, no man is an island.

19 keyinjpop January 27, 2013 at 12:32 pm

What would I do for my country? Not much, just pay taxes and not start shit with anyone lest they retaliate by brute force or blackmail/extortion. Besides, my country has done (still doing in some cases) some pretty stupid things and I’d rather not defend that.

20 RElgin January 27, 2013 at 12:41 pm

I would sacrifice this thread for my country.

21 Jang January 27, 2013 at 1:07 pm

SKorea don’t know how to volunteer but get credit anyhow-http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/571400.html

22 SalarymaninSeoul January 27, 2013 at 1:18 pm

and no man is by birth a slave of the collective, we are fed such bullshit as patriotism

23 Kuiwon January 27, 2013 at 2:01 pm

I don’t need to see this Randian nonsense.

24 SomeguyinKorea January 27, 2013 at 4:42 pm

As if your bankers and your industrial war complex aren’t swallowing the lion’s share of your taxes.

25 SomeguyinKorea January 27, 2013 at 4:46 pm

Narcissistic nationalism? That’s a new one.

26 SomeguyinKorea January 27, 2013 at 4:49 pm

Am I the only one who thinks that’s hilarious since he’s an old geezer?

27 Brendon Carr January 27, 2013 at 5:22 pm

Boy, those are some classics. I remember them from 20 years ago.

28 judge judy January 27, 2013 at 5:39 pm

the phoenix rises.

29 Jieun K January 27, 2013 at 6:31 pm

Sure, it’s natural to think that way. Self-preservation is the first law of nature. So, we can think of a nation as a sophisticated organization (with legislative, executive and judicial branches) founded essentially on a pact that we watch each other’s back for survival and prosperity.

And the thing is, nations are not the only means. (Even in anarchy, we should have some sort of rules and ad hoc bodies for contingencies.)

We’re seeing signs that national governments are increasingly subordinated or cozying up to the will and interests of a privileged few individuals. Governments no longer seem to represent the entire public. We are left but with the only choice to watch them dissipate the treasury we dearly contributed to and receive little service in return.

So are we just going to continue to have blind faith and hope for the best? The future is hanging in the balance.

30 Arghaeri January 27, 2013 at 8:22 pm

Yeah, right cos a game of proxy tennis is way more important than Australia Day.

31 Yangachibastardo January 27, 2013 at 10:17 pm

Sociopaths often spek the truth, even if it’s an unpleasant truth

32 imememememe January 28, 2013 at 12:52 am

I’d sacrifice California for my country. Well, maybe just the southern part.

33 keyinjpop January 28, 2013 at 3:56 am

Dude, that track was awesome.

34 keyinjpop January 28, 2013 at 4:01 am

This one is also awesome.

35 que337 January 28, 2013 at 5:35 am

I thought that too. Might be called ‘harakiri’ or ‘kamikaze’ style economic solution. Mr. Aso could lead by example and people following him might get entitled to be enshrined at Yasukuni.

36 keyinjpop January 28, 2013 at 6:20 am

First bro.

37 SalarymaninSeoul January 28, 2013 at 11:19 am

is Rand the only name you know?

38 Jakgani January 28, 2013 at 11:28 am

Thanks for that link Shelton – I read the article then started clicking around on other links (khmer440.com) in the article – found some hilarious stories about foreigners living in Cambodia – (shoplifters + pedo’s) – makes me feel safe here in Korea..

http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=27924

http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=28021

39 JW January 28, 2013 at 12:42 pm

If you can read and understand Korean — check out episode 879 of 그것이 알고싶다 which aired on 1/26 — titled 공모자들 – 누가 그녀를 가뒀나 . I can’t seem to link to the URL here for some reason. This is some crazy crazy shit. Basically in Korea right now you don’t need a judge and a doctor’s permission to kidnap a family member and put him or her in a mental hospital against the person’s will. And it’s all legal. It matters not an iota that the person’s mental functioning is perfectly normal. The SBS investigative team follows the son in this case who at the command of his rich father kidnaps his own mother and legally puts her in a hospital against her will. I will save the incredible ending for the viewer. What a heroic effort by this SBS team.

40 JW January 28, 2013 at 12:54 pm

If you want to see it just google “공모자들 – 누가 그녀를 가뒀나” and the top link should work.

41 Jieun K January 28, 2013 at 10:35 pm

Dude, good you clicked it.

42 provIdence January 29, 2013 at 12:08 am

Korean elders, on the other hand, will be a bit happier soon.

http://media.daum.net/issue/419/newsview?issueId=419&newsid=20130111010703570

43 que337 January 29, 2013 at 12:28 am

That’s kind of universal problem in rapidly aging countries, to which Mr. Aso suggested very Japanese solution.

44 provIdence January 29, 2013 at 1:53 am

In addition to those under terminal care, there are many patients in Japan flocking at doctor’s. When they don’t see someone, they suspect that he must be sick.

45 ChuckRamone January 29, 2013 at 6:28 am

Did you guys see this NY Times article about a Korean guy that was arrested in America for possessing an old Korean cultural artifact that he bought from an online auction?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/28/nyregion/korean-artifact-bought-online-leads-to-arrest.html?ref=asia

46 Jakgani January 29, 2013 at 9:30 am

Samsung is about to release a cross between a smart phone and a tablet – called the Galaxy Fonblet 5.8.

When they do, I will trade in my Galaxy Note 2 for it – so I can use the Jellybean 4.1 and be able to download a more variety of apps.

Reports further suggest that Samsung is targeting the European markets with the new device. As of now, it is being called Galaxy Fonblet 5.8 and will be launched first in Europe, followed by a worldwide release. Samsung will officially announce their plans regarding the Fonblet in the days to come. The rumors have also suggested that the device will be white in color initially. It is not known whether other colors will follow in due course.

The most important thing consumers today want to know about new devices is the platform they will be running on. As far as the Fonblet is concerned, it is going to run on Android Jellybean 4.1. This means that users will be able to download a wide range of games and apps from Google’s Play Store. The choice of OS also means that Fonblet will join a select few devices which run on Jellybean by default. Till now, the choice for fans of Android versions 4.1 and 4.2 is limited.

Up till now, it does seem as though Fonblet is going to be a great device to own. After all, it combines the features of smartphones and tablets hence serving a dual purpose for the users. Its features and the fact that it will have the same display as Galaxy Player 5.8 ensure that Samsung has a surefire winner on its hands.

47 Brendon Carr January 29, 2013 at 10:52 am

It’s hard to imagine a “Fonblet” from any manufacturer other than a Korean company.

48 silver surfer January 29, 2013 at 8:44 pm

“Fonblet” is an example of what Korean companies might call an “Ugport”.

49 silver surfer January 29, 2013 at 8:49 pm

Yeah! He should practice what he preaches.

50 bumfromkorea January 30, 2013 at 3:25 am

What a crock of bullshit this is. I love how the Korean conservatives, so deathly allergic to North Korea, just fucking love to have the same mode of thought as them.

51 Jang January 31, 2013 at 9:08 am

Congratulations to all males in S. Korea http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2013/01/30/2013013001376.html

…as the Korea Institute of Criminology(KIS) says you’re the “Biggest Clients of Prostitutes in S.E. Asia.”

And
“The U.S. State Department’s annual report on human trafficking also points to Korean men as being the main clients of child prostitutes in Southeast Asia and Pacific islands, and added that the Korean government has yet to crack down on offenders or attempted to curb the trend.”
Why?
“The KIC report speculates that the main cause of the situation is a lack of guilt among Korean tourists about paying for sex” and “were not aware that paying for sex overseas is an offence under Korean law.”

I wasn’t aware that the U.S. State Dept. annual report said that. S. Korea is a Tier 1 country after all so says humantrafficking.org

52 dlbarch February 1, 2013 at 3:01 am

My condolences to anyone who has worse Superbowl office pool pix than I.

I mean, c’mon, 2-2 (or 12-12) after the first quarter? WTF?!?! What’s that, EIGHT field goals?!

GROAN!!!

DLB

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