You mean ads in major US newspapers that make Dokdo look like a disputed territory are NOT a good idea?

Seo Kyoung-duk and and Kim Jang-hoon are at it again, this time with an ad on the online edition of the WSJ.

Not everyone is happy, though:

Publishing ads that claim Korea’s territorial rights can only give the outside world the impression that the islets are being disputed by the two nations, an impression that Tokyo seeks to create.

“The attitude that the territorial issue should be resolved via advertisements is amateurish,” said Kim Hyun-soo, a professor at Inha University Law School. “The East Sea naming is an issue with no practical benefit that entirely relates to Koreans’ resentment toward Japan’s imperialism. So it is okay to approach it in terms of public opinion like publishing ads.”

“But regarding Dokdo it is different. Seo and Kim are actually helping the Japanese in turning the area into a disputed one. They have contributed a lot in doing this.”

BTW, the National Post recently ran a piece on the island known widely among American school children as “America’s Dokdo,” the Machias Seal Island. illegally occupied by Canada since, well, forever. Stephen R. Kelly, a professor of “Canadian studies” at Duke, even penned an op-ed on this outrage for the New York Times:

The United States and Canada settled all their other maritime differences in the Gulf of Maine in 1984 by submitting their claims to the International Court of Justice for arbitration. They could have included the gray zone in that case, but did not. The Canadians had refused an earlier American arbitration proposal by saying their case was so strong that agreeing to arbitration would bring their title into question.

This attitude calls for re-examination. The fact that so little in the way of resources appears to be at stake, far from justifying the status quo, should be the main reason for resolving the issue. And for those concerned about blowback from “giving away” territory, letting the international court decide the case provides the most political cover.

As China and Japan can attest, border disputes do not go away; they fester. And when other factors push them back to the surface — the discovery of valuable resources, an assertion of national pride, a mishap at sea — the stakes can suddenly rise to a point where easy solutions become impossible.

Before that happens, we should put this last land dispute behind us, and earn our reputation for running the longest peaceful border in the world.

As I’ve point out before, Canada is sort of the Japan of the New World, with territorial disputes with virtually all its neighbors… which means the United States and Denmark.

The Marmot’s Hole: Leading the struggle against Canuckistani imperialism, since 2003.

  • Cm

    Finally, someone in Korea gets it.

  • wangkon936

    Time to go jihad on those Canadians!  Which intrepid American is willing to go first and slice off their pinky? 

  • Madar

    Yes, please God, I don’t want to hear anything more about Dokdo.  Having symbols for your nationalism is fine.  Frequently using them to work yourselves into an uproar is fine too, I suppose.  Trying to get people, not of your nation, all around the world, to feel the same way and get just as passionate about your national symbols is just annoying, counterproductive, and a bit delusional.

  • Evan

    Great post, but I’m not sure I’d call Seal Island “America’s Dokdo” or assert that it’s widely known as such to American school children. In fact I would wager that the vast majority of American children and adults have never heard of it, and an even smaller number of Americans know about Dokdo.

  • Jakgani

    Fok the Canadians.

    Polar bears are the first species to become endangered because of global warming.

    So, why are Canadian hunters shooting them?

  • Gorky

    as a canadian i find this outrageous!!!!!!!!!!!!! that island is a part of us a who we are as a people. giving up that island would be like giving up our soul. you are not canadian so you will NEVER understand what it means to us. wait, what the island called? machias?
    never heard of it. take it. dont need it. take beiber with you, too.

  • DC Musicfreak

    I’ve started a mid-Atlantic regional chapter of the Machias Island Liberation Front ( Google “MILF” to find find us), and this weekend we’re going to burn effigies of Justin Bieber and dump Labatt’s and Molson’s into the Potomac River. You’ve been warned, Canadians: We got the Montreal Expos in 2005 and we’re gonna get the islands and all their puffins and baby seals by 2015.

  • YangachiBastardo

    The Machias whatever island will not be America’s Dokdo until Canadians find their own proper G Bevers


    AS  we’re on the subject you guys wanna hear my dubstep remix of Beauty and a beat ? Not interested eh )  Dammit

  • Bballi

    If you could put Gary Bettman and Donald Fehr on that island forever, then take it, by all means…..

  • Koreandumbdumb

    In pretension of patriotism, these losers inciting Korean people to fight the Japanese.   I think the source of money is from the Chinese.  Young people are eating it up.   They do not know that average readers do not give f***ing f**k about a small island near Korea.   Some Americans, including ChineseAmericans, love to see Korea bomb to ruins by the monkeys.   They love to see Korea go down..

  • Koreandumbdumb

    The money should be used to promote Korea.   Tell Samsung and Hyundai are Korean companies ( I bet 50% of Americans think these are Chinese companies).   Bringing this type of petty issue will forever brand Korea to be “argumentative people” who stupidly advertising what they have, the island,  may be actually someone else’s property?  Stupid, stupid, stupid.   Koreans do not understand how lawyers look at these ads.   It is like shouting loudly ” I am not a raper” even before anyone asked him. Plain stupid.  This is why Koreans are “frogs trapped in a hole who do not understand the big world”.

  • keyinjpop

    We have enough American and English trash polluting the pop culture here, we don’t need more Canadian trash. Take Bieber, Avril, and Celine Dion back to your country.

  • Mr Yu

     Take your meds, dude!

  • SomeguyinKorea

     And you link to an article about killer whales being freed…Brilliant.

  • SomeguyinKorea

     They already have Bieber (no givesies backsies).

  • SomeguyinKorea

     If you’re going to dump Labatt’s and Molson, you’ll have a lot of Maritimers cheering you on.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    Here’s another interesting island in the area.

  • Wedge1

    Yes, internet sarcasm is sometimes difficult to detect.

  • Skindleshanks

    Illegal occupation???? You’ve really crossed the (maritime) line on this one, Robert. I think it is time for another elementary schoolchild art exhibition of all the horrid things we Canadians could to to your miserable country, such as invade with chains selling low grade swill disguised as coffee and baked frozen donuts.

  • wangkon936

    It ain’t an island dispute worth its salt until someone cuts off their pinky! 

  • mickster2

    — As I’ve point out before, Canada is sort of the Japan of the New World, with territorial disputes with virtually all its neighbors… which means the United States and Denmark.

    This does not do justice to Canada or Japan. China has issues with many of its neighbors. Japan has maritime borders with seven countries (count Taiwan, NK as countries) and has issues with four – not with the Philippines, the US and NK. Canada has issues with two out of three, with France counted.

    Japanese would not be happy to be singled out as special in terms o number, while I feel sorry for Canada to be equated with Japan considering the natures of its disputes.

  • mickster2

    — “frogs trapped in a hole who do not understand the big world”.
    Interesting. This sounds like a Japanese proverb. Do you say that in Korean too?
    Just being curious.
    And I’m still curious about your cat icon.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    “frogs trapped in a hole who do not understand the big world”

    The frog in the well alludes to a Chinese fable that Koreans seem particularly fond of.  I think knowledge of the reference is important for waegukin’s cultural literacy, so I took the liberty of cutting and pasting. The following serves as well as any of the translations:

    Once a frog that lived in a well bragged to a turtle that lived in the Sea.

    “I am so happy!” cried the frog, “When I go out, I jump about on the railing around the edge of the well. When I come home, I rest in the holes inside the wall of the well.  If I jump into the water, it comes all the way up to my armpits and I can float on my belly.  If I walk in the mud, it covers up my flippered feet.  I look around at the wriggly worms, crabs, and tadpoles, and none of them can compare with me.  I am lord of this well and I stand tall here. My happiness is great.  My dear sir, why don’t you come more often and look around my place?”

    Before the turtle from the Sea could get its left foot in the well, its right knee got stuck. It hesitated and retreated. The turtle told the frog about the Sea.

    “Even a distance of a thousand miles cannot give you an idea of the sea’s width; even a height of a thousand meters cannot give you an idea of its depth.  In the time of the great floods, the waters in the sea did not increase. During the terrible droughts, the waters in the sea did not decrease. The sea does not change along with the passage of time and its level does not rise or fall according to the amount of rain that falls. The greatest happiness is to live in the Sea.”

    After listening to these words, the frog of the shallow well was shocked into realization of his own insignificance and became embarrassed.

  • mickster2

    Thanks, AJ.
    I looked up the Japanese proberb, and it certainly comes from the same Chinese origin, a Zhuangzi work, it turns out.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    I just picked the icon up from internet cat site.  Not that kind of cat, real cat.
    Yes, Koreans use the idiom  and you are probably right about its Japanese origin.
    “Frogs in the well” 

  • Koreandumbdumb

    Never heard of this fable.  Not a popular story.  But frogs being trapped in their own superiority not knowing s*** about real world is correct.  Koreans need to sophisticated.  Otherwise, they will fight either for China or for Japan and die en messe..

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  • mickster2

    — Not that kind of cat, real cat.
    Thank you for your reply.
    As for the frog in the well idiom, I guess we’re both under the influence of ancient Chinese culture.

  • Koreandumbdumb

    Do the Japanese use this expression to describe themselves?   Koreans do.  Most Koreans are very ignorant of world history or world geography.  They only know about Korea.   So, enlightened Koreans describe their own people as “frogs in the well”.  I do  too.   Koreans have to know how dangerous it is to be anti-American.   They can all die.   From the Japanese bombers or from the Chinese army.  Korea as a country may disappear within a couple of decades.

  • mickster2

    Yes, we do.  I guess it’s less often now about a nation as a whole, but I used to hear that very often.
    When our banking market was being opened, for example, Japanese banks were called on to stop being frogs in the well — 井の中の蛙 — so that they could compete with foreign institutions.

  • Horace Jeffery Hodges

    Precisely, Mr. Lame-ers. We don’t want any your lame islands. We just want our own island back! The one that your country somehow occupies even though it’s been ours since time immemorial. Give us back our Machias Seal Island! We could easily take it by military means, except as your NATO ally, we’d have to come to your aid and repel our own forces, and that’d be easy, too, since we have the firepower to do it! Why, our occupying forces would be sitting ducks for our smart bombs! Speaking of ducks, what gives you Canadians the rights to designate our American Machias Seal Island as the Machias Seal Island Migratory Bird Sanctuary? We know that’s just a cover for the military airport you’re planning to construct there! Big birds, indeed! It’s a US Navy Seal Island! Ours! Past! Present! Future! Forever! And Beyond!

    Jeffery Hodges

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