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BREAKING: NIS agent besieged, suspected of elections fraud

This is fun. Last night, Moon Jae-in’s campaign held an emergency press conference, and alleged that the National Intelligence Service — same as the CIA in the U.S. — is running a team of 70 agents to patrol popular websites and leave disparaging comments about Moon Jae-in.

Shortly afterward, the police and DUP staff rushed to an officetel at Yeoksam-dong, which Moon’s camp alleged to be a base for NIS’s operation. Initially, the lone resident of the apartment claimed that she was not an NIS agent. Based on the claim, the police withdrew, although the DUP staff continued the siege. Later, news organizations did confirm that the officetel belongs to an NIS agent. The agent is inside the apartment right now, and is refusing to open the door. DUP suspects that the agent is destroying evidence, and is in the process of obtaining a warrant.

For their part, NIS has denied that it attempted to sway the election, and expressed outrage that DUP is harassing a private person.

There are many comedy points here, including:

- How is it so easy for the media to find out where NIS agent lives? She’s an NIS agent for crying out loud.
- If NIS did want to affect the election, THIS is the best it could do? Be an Internet troll? Shouldn’t they try to assassinate MJI or something?
- What if all the NIS agent wanted to do was to enjoy her Internet porn in peace?

But for me, the best comedy point was this tweet by KBS News. Apparently, when KBS News reported the standoff, it received the exact same tweet, disparaging the DUP, from 32 different accounts. The Twitter account for KBS News thanked those account-holders for their attention.

  • bumfromkorea

    Huh. I guess I owe Korean 초딩s an apology.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Was she acting in her capacity as an NIS agent or a private individual? Honestly, nothing wrong in disparaging those leftist gangsters, be that MJI, Ahn or the Juche Princess.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    They weren’t 초딩s, they were NIS agents. :)

  • http://kuiwon.wordpress.com/ Kuiwon

    Is this the same agent that trolled Lee Jung-hee’s English Wikipedia page? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Jung-hee

  • http://www.rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    Nice photo. Like how somebody put her website as “uriminzokkiri.com.”

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Gee, is it the fault of the person who put the photo up that shes just physically so damn repulsive? How is this trolling?

  • KoreaWTF

    This was on 6th floor of Starus Officetel across from Yeoksam elementary. So that’s what all the commotion was about. I thought it was massage girl operation raid.

  • brier

    The Korean news media saying she is an agent? Id like some better proof.

  • KWillets

    This is the kind of sophisticated attack that could only have come from a government-supported agency.

  • bumfromkorea

    I was referring to how everyone just assumes it’s an elementary kid fucking with everyone else when someone’s being a troll on Korean websites. You know , like how people just go “Ugh, these 초딩s…”

    Lol, turns out, they were highly trained spies.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    Another underrated comedy point: conservatives screeching about rights against warrantless search and seizure, paying no mind of the fact that LMB administration made its living off of warrantless search and seizure.

  • RElgin

    Indeed, hell of a photo. I wish she would have her teeth fixed; it would improve her looks. Maybe we should start an internet group that is dedicated to fixing her teeth. I’m down for 10,000 Won. It would not constitute a bribe since all I want her to do for me is to look better than she does now.

  • RElgin

    I salute your dry sense of humour.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    NIS confirmed it.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    She’s a feminist, hence she will not take the money. Your fortune is safe. Beauty, to feminists is a form of oppression by evil males. She does live up to her principles choosing to be as ugly as possible.

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    You need to get over this idea that just because one side or faction flouts the law and abuses rights, that makes it acceptable for your side to flout the law and abuse rights. The prescription for a boot on your neck is not a more righteous foot in the boot.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    What flouting of law? Unlike the LMB administration, the DUP staffers are actually waiting for the warrant.

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    How about trespass and false imprisonment?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Do DUP staffers have the right to enter other people’s premises even with warrants?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    The real story here isn’t that the NIS might be trolling websites, but rather that the DUP feels it is empowered to lay siege to private citizens’ homes in order to gain entry by force to retrieve property that isn’t theirs. AND that this is happening now before the DUP is even in power. The real question to ask is what the DUP will do if they do indeed gain power. They are getting desperate. The D, standing for Democratic, is something they share with the DPRK, which also claims to be democratic. The ideological streak running through both entities, the DPRK and the DUP is pretty much the same streak – something that is plainly self-evident to anyone who paid attention during the two progressive presidencies of Kim and Roh. What is also becoming self-evident thanks to this story is how far the DUP is ready to go to emulate the METHODS of the DPRK.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    At the initial stage, the police was there with probable cause and the agent spoke voluntarily. Currently, they are not inside the apartment — i.e. no trespass.

    The NIS agent can leave the house whenever she wants, as well — nobody is holding her in. (In fact, the DUP staffers would love it if she came out.) So no false imprisonment either.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    And do you think she has cause to BELIEVE them? Would YOU feel safe to open the door with a bunch of “staffers” camped outside your door? Harassment and intimidation, this is what the DUP is stooping to.

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    Presence inside the building is trespass. Coming into the hallway to prowl around and look for which apartment she’s in is trespass. They don’t have to be inside her apartment.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    How is being in the hallway trespass, when she does not own the hallway? Unless the officetel owner has something to say, the staffers are licensees.

    It might also interest you that a couple of my attorney friends are at that officetel, ensuring that everything happens within the boundaries of the law.

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    Sure. Minbyun is absolutely devoted to rule of law.

    For your information, the owner of an officetel owns the hallways, parking lot and common spaces as well. Private investigators are hampered by this fact, because it prevents them from lawfully entering a building to determine whether a person they’re looking for is or is not home. We’ve had clients prosecuted for trespass in exactly these circumstances. The fact that you’ve got left-wing attorney friends among the trespassers, and the fact that the police will be cowed by the gathered mob, doesn’t make what the DUP goons are doing lawful.

  • RElgin

    Au contraire, even feminists want to look good. I want to see a nice smile with those crazy sexy eyes of hers.

  • gbnhj

    Absolutely. Actually, I’m surprised TK missed that. Taxes and liabilities also attach to those areas, after all.

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    I’m not surprised he missed that.

  • gbnhj

    But Brendon, he’s Korean, and every Korean I know knows that. This is so confusing.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Because he is incompetent or because he is ideologically blinded? Minbyun, is that who his friends are? That explains a lot. So basically KJE’s South Korean legal counsel is there to make sure KJE’s 5th column abides by SK law? Is that supposed to be a joke?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Crazy, yes. But sexy? Have you seen her posters around town?

  • GerryBevers

    I was approached by an NIS agent once, right after I left an interview with a Japanese newspaper reporter at the Koreana Hotel in downtown Seoul. The reporter interviewed me about “Dokdo.” Here is what I wrote about it at the time.

    There was one strange thing that happened after the interview. After we finished
    the interview, the Japanese reporter and the photographer walked me downstairs
    to the street, where we said our goodbyes. I then started walking toward the
    Kyobo Book Store, but within seconds of leaving the hotel, a Korean man
    approached me from behind, flashed an identification card and said in English
    that he worked for Korea’s National Intelligence Service
    (NIS). He then asked to see my ID card. When I asked him why, he told me
    that they had a report that a Caucasian man was selling drugs in the area. When
    I showed him my ID, he wrote down my name and then asked me where I worked,
    which he also wrote down. I then asked why NIS was investigating drug-related
    crimes instead of the police. He said that it was their job, which made me
    suspicious. Is it really NIS’s job to go around looking for drug
    dealers? Anyway, he then said, “Goodbye,” and left, but I had an uneasy feeling
    because nothing like that has ever happened to me during my thirty years in
    Korea. If he suspected me of dealing drugs, then why didn’t he search me? Why
    was I approached within seconds of leaving the Japanese reporter and her
    photographer outside the Koreana Hotel? Were the Japanese under surveillance? I
    do not know, but it was a really strange incident.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    Brendon, you might want to actually consult Korean case law before you represent your clients in that case.

    2008도1464 from the Supreme Court of Korea, judgment rendered April 10, 2008:

    침입 대상인 아파트에 사람이 있는지를 확인하기 위해 그 집의 초인종을 누른 행위만으로는 침입의 현실적 위험성을 포함하는 행위를 시작하였다거나, 주거의 사실상의 평온을 침해할 객관적인 위험성을 포함하는 행위를 한 것으로 볼 수 없다 할 것이다.

    원심판결 이유에 의하면 원심은, 아파트의 초인종을 누르다가 사람이 없으면 만능키 등을 이용하여 문을 열고 안으로 들어가 물건을 훔치기로 모의한 피고인들이 함께 다니다가 피고인 이춘호는 최봉석의 집 초인종을 누르면서 “자장면 시키지 않았느냐”라고 말하였으나 집 안에 있던 최봉석이 “시킨 적 없다”고 대답하자 계단을 이용하여 아래층으로 이동한 이 사건 사안에 대하여, 피고인들이 주거침입의 실행의 착수에 해당하는 행위를 하였다고 볼 수 없다는 이유로 무죄를 선고한 제1심판결을 유지하였는바, 기록에 대조하여 본 즉 원심의 사실인정 과정에 아무런 잘못을 찾아볼 수 없고 또 위 판단은 앞서 본 법리에도 부합하는 것으로서 거기에 상고이유에서 주장하는 위법이 있다고 할 수 없다.

    This is EXACTLY the situation you described. A bunch of thieves, with intent to burglarize empty houses in an apartment building, went around the hallway and rang doorbells to check if there was anybody in. The Supreme Court found that simply roaming around the apartment hallway was not a trespass.

    And my friends are not with Minbyun :)

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    Well shit, our case was from 2003. You got me, TheKorean. My hat is off to you! Your Minbyun friends (I don’t believe for a minute they’re not with Minbyun) are still in the wrong.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    It’s ok. I’m not surprised that you failed to consult the case law when you’re talking about the law ;)

  • RElgin

    The NIS people reportedly do this sort of thing, pull up on people and snap a photograph of them, right in front of them, etc. You simply attracted someone’s attention and got the “we are watching you” treatment.

    If they really wanted more information about your activities, they would have been more subtle.

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    You must not know a lot of Korean lawyers.

    Come on, try another snarky line. It will totally make you look like a winner.

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    Appearances to the contrary notwithstanding, it’s not really my job to research every comment on The Marmot’s Hole. I had direct experience on the matter that I thought was relevant. Why am I not surprised to learn that the Supreme Court has sanctioned trespass by thieves?

    And hey, I thought you weren’t going to be commenting here anymore. What happened to that?

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    Just looking up some last poll numbers to write the post about it, uncle Brendon. Thanks for looking out.

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    Here’s a question: If all they had to go on was Internet message traffic (i.e., no tip from an insider), how did Moon Jae In’s camp trace the exact location of the suspected NIS agent without violating the law? I am suspicious of their methods. One can track IP numbers to an apartment block, but how to know which apartment?

  • KWillets

    Trespassing in public areas is hard to prove, because people are allowed to come and go temporarily. I can see that thieves might be able to get away with entering if they do no more than anyone else would do, eg ring a doorbell.

  • cactusmcharris

    Uncle B,

    Assuming it wasn’t wireless (and maybe even if it was), doesn’t each computer in, say an apartment complex, have a unique ultimate address that can be traced with enough time / money? Hell, come to think of it, that’s what we did, eh?

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    Moon’s camp said the tip came from an insider, including the location of the apartment.

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    So much intrigue. I kind of suspect tampering with private records is de rigeur all around, in keeping with the righteous-foot theory of governance.

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    Don’t forget the first rule of Spy Club.

  • http://www.rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    So, just to be clear, it’s OK for DUP types to lay siege to a private residence, but it’s not OK for lawmakers to look at transcripts of presidential meetings with North Korea?

  • Anonymous_Joe

    …ummmm, yes. That’s the purpose of warrants.

  • que337

    That Japanese reporter might be a secret agent disguising a journalist. Plotting and killing of Korean empress involved Japanese reporters, Harvard graduate intellects, and diplomats, who later were appointed to major positions of Japanese government.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Yes, it is. However the question was, are STAFFERS in a political party allowed to obtain a warrant and enter premises with those warrants?

  • http://www.askakorean.net/ The_Korean

    The better question is — is it ok for folks on this thread to completely ignore the fact that a government intelligence agency is attempting to rig the election (which is true to its history,) while nitpicking every attempt to stop the agency from committing illegality?

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    No, a warrant should not permit DUP staffers to enter any premises. I don’t doubt that they would barge in along with prosecution staff if they could, but the purpose of the warrant is to license state officers to enter private premises.

    For the record in this thread, I was incorrect about the current state of law on trespass and TheKorean was right. I got pwned. But I’m big enough to admit it when I’m wrong, because it’s so rare.

  • KWillets

    Someone changed the photo. Now she’s smiling in a fake Burberry plaid shirt. Same website though!

  • wangkon936

    Yeah, it’s fake alright. Saw that same shirt in a Shanghai street stall for 50 RMB three months ago. Can probably talk it down to 30 RMB ($5 USD).

  • KWillets

    Now it’s changed to something else. They also reverted the Juche birthdate I added to her bio but left the website the same.

  • http://kuiwon.wordpress.com/ Kuiwon

    I’m surprised the troller hasn’t changed her name to 리정희.

  • KWillets

    The edit history of that page is hilarious. Her political party is currently listed as “Worker’s Party of Korea”, and I don’t think the most control-freaky editors can follow all the changes, eg:

    “After the presidential election, Lee will go back to Pyeongyang to join her North Korean government and to have long last relationship with her fiance Kim Jeong Eun.” (Reverted 10 Dec.)

  • http://profiles.google.com/dcmusicfreak DC Musicfreak

    Her actual affiliations, statements and positions on issues are enough of a sick joke.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Exactly, which leads me to believe Joe lost 30 points off his IQ since the format change here. Now, maybe Joe means that the staffers believe they will become state officers upon the Comrade’s victory, and he may be right. They are already acting very much like people who believe themselves to be empowered to bully and harass. I have little doubt that should Moon win, the country would very quickly drift in a northern direction.

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    The North Korean missile launch will accelerate the decoupling of the United States from South Korea. A 13,000 kilometer range, as is being reported in the JoongAng Ilbo, means the potential cost of US defense of Korea includes having a nuclear device lobbed somewhere in the Continental United States. Possibly that would be somewhere out in the uninhabited wastes of Nevada, but it could just as well hit somewhere vital, like St. Louis!

    So the question becomes Are you willing to get nuked to defend PSY, whose song you’re thoroughly sick of and oh by the way hates your Yankee asses? I think the answer to that is hell no. Game, set, and match to North Korea. South Korea is now on its own. Now, I think South Korea is capable of defending itself, but hats off to the North for its strategic triumph.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    These things can still get intercepted. And besides, the nuking of the US changes the game from “Defending South Korea” to “Obliterating North Korea.” The defense of South Korea would be more difficult and would mean hundreds of thousands US troops engaged mainly in conventional warfare with NK troops (and Chinese?). The obliteration of North Korea would be much easier, much faster, and instead of hundreds of thousands of US troops would involve 2 subs launching their entire nuke arsenal at NK cities and strategic points. NK knows this.

  • RElgin

    I liked the previous photo better. She looked like she was having more fun tussling with the cops. This woman needs not just one photo but a whole photo gallery to display her unique qualities. I wonder if there are any PR shots of her working with kids and puppets?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    just google “ugly” and click on images

  • Wedge1

    I hope for your sake that’s satire.

  • Wedge1

    “We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but
    that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have
    to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile
    and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part!”

  • Wedge1

    Highly trained?

  • bumfromkorea

    Relative to the 초딩s. :D

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    so the US would not retaliate on a massive scale if a US city was nuked? Well, maybe not under Obama, he may even beg for peace.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    Guilt by association? What a fine lawyer you must be.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    And I’m the next in line to the French throne if France ever reverts to a monarchy. Just because I claim it doesn’t make it true.

  • Anonymous

    “For your information, the owner of an officetel owns a fractional share of the hallways, parking lot and common spaces as well.”

    Yup. I don’t know much about Korean law, but this is a fact that I am well aware off. For example, it’s the main reason you don’t hear about cops breaking down doors looking for foreigners teaching private lessons anymore. They can’t even set foot in the hall without due cause. And, irony or ironies, I believe citizens owe this strong protection against police abuse to the Roh government.

  • Anonymous

    Can’t tell the difference between cops and robbers? Didn’t have many playmates growing up, did you?

  • Anonymous

    Not exactly. As I said, private citizens can come and go. Cops and other officers of the law, different story.

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    Nope. Apparently we’re both wrong. That was the case in 2003 when our office advised a foreign investigative company charged with trespass, but a 2008 Supreme Court decision has changed the rule. TheKorean pantsed me but good on that one.

  • Anonymous

    That Supreme Court decision is about private citizens, isn’t it? I was referring to cops.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    Salman, watch it. Stop imputing what you think I believe.

    Here’s what I was thinking. I thought that you were using staffers got a warrant colloquially. Of course I knew that law enforcement goes to court to get warrants. In previous threads you have displayed a contempt for any type of government action.

    From now on, rather than you posting what I believe, why don’t you ask me first? You really clog up the boards with your non-sequitir crap.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    Salman, it’s posts like this that make you seem who you are.

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