North Korea went ahead and launched a rocket at around 9:50.
More on this later if I decide between now and lunch that I actually give a rat’s ass.
North Korean missiles
Did it blow up yet or did it actually get into orbit?
The North Koreans just launched “Galaxy 3.”
It didn’t go into orbit because it was never intended to. There was no satellite, it was a missile test. But the progressives will be happy, they love NK.
The election is saved!
But the progressives will lose.
They would have lost anyway. Now they will have an excuse: “No, we did not lose because people still consider LMB to be a better choice than RMH, and hence by extension PGH a better choice than MJI. No, we didn’t lose because we have such disgusting personalities on our side as the Juche Princess or such slimy, spineless little cockroaches as Ahn. No, we lost because NK launched another failed rocket. HENCE, let’s keep doing what we are doing in the hopes of further driving this country to the socialist utopia we so love up north.And next time NK wuill not launch and then we can fulfill RMH’s wet dream of handing the country over to Pyongyang.”
Even the Norks have given up on the progressives’ chances in this election.
Well, NK made it clear who it wants to win. Now, question for the voters is whether to play into their hands, or reject NK’s games.
No, they have made it clear they don’t think comrade Moon stands a chance and they went for the launch now before the window closed for whatever reason. See, here is a perfect example of a deluded progressive who thinks there’s still a chance for Moon and when Moon loses TK, and his ilk, will blame the rocket launch.
Damn! I use an iPhone!
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The other thing to remember is that voters would not be swayed like this if the progressives were not so ready to kiss up to the North at every opportunity.
Hahahaha, holy molly, you are so correct.
I wonder how much money the Saenuri Dang offer KJU to launch that missile?
I actually don’t have an opinion on which candidate this helps, but I suspect the Norks still wanted to get this out before the opinion polls close.
That was funny. Thanks.
Way to spin that, TK. Not that there isn’t precedent to draw that conclusion, of course
Wait, there was a precedence?
Indeed there was. Look up 총풍. GNP operatives paid NK to shoot up the DMZ to affect the 2002 election.
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Well, we may all be claiming that it was just a missile launch but North Korea isn’t. According to KCNA:
Pyongyang, December 12 (KCNA) — The second version of satellite Kwangmyongsong-3 successfully lifted off from the Sohae Space Center in Cholsan County, North Phyongan Province by carrier rocket Unha-3 on Wednesday.
The satellite entered its preset orbit.
NK has done this before, claimed success, but none of their rockets ever entered space and I’m pretty sure this one did not either. We will find out soon enough from credible sources.
hopefully it was the latter
News reports (yonhap, bbc) say that the US (Norad) is confirming that an object appears to have been placed in orbit.
Well, if they say so then I can believe it. I would never take the Norks’ word for anything. I wonder though what that object was.
It was a “peaceful communications satellite” that just happens to be shaped like a dummy MRVed ICBM warhead.
Hot damn! The Norks beat the South Koreans!
Yep. Blowing unimaginable percentages of your GNP and suffering international sanctions to do what the Soviets and Americans did over a half century ago is what made North Korea the shining beacon that it is today.
news links? or are you joking?
NORAD states “Initial indications are that the missile deployed an object that appeared to achieve orbit . . . “
You want spin? I’ll give you a better one:
Just what, exactly, did LMB administration do better than the progressive administrations with respect to North Korea? Did it do a better job limiting NK’s hostilities? No — NK attacked SK twice, and now fired this rocket. Did it do a better job winning military victories? No — unlike during the progressive administrations, LMB administration lost every single military engagement against the North. Did it do a better job protecting South Korea or South Koreans? No — recently, a North Korean soldier was not noticed when he WALKED ACROSS THE DMZ, until he KNOCKED on the door of the “watch post”. More South Koreans died at the hands of North Korea during the 5 years of LMB administration than during the 10 years of KDJ/RMH administrations.
You might think, at least LMB did not pay North Korea. And you would be wrong — LMB transferred JUST AS MUCH cash to North Korea as any progressive administration. (Look up the data that was submitted to the recent National Assembly hearing.) Gaeseong Industrial Complex is still open, and millions of South Korean dollars still flow through it.
So just how long will conservatives bitch about the way progressive administrations handled NK? They had five years to implement the policy that they wanted. The result was total incompetence. The NIS did not even know when NK was about the fire the missile — until the moment the missile was launched, NIS thought NK was dismantling the rocket base and repairing it. The conservative administration did no just fail to stop the missile launch — they DID NOT EVEN KNOW that the missile was going up. Is that still the fault of the progressive administrations?
Wouldn’t it be fair to say you lose more lives fighting than capitulating? Two scenarios:
A: a million die
B: none die
Which is better? If we measure by casualties, then B. However, if I tell you a million died fighting an enemy in scenario A, but none died as the country was handed over piece by piece to the enemy by a treasonous government in scenario B, would you still say scenario B is better?
LMB has not been perfect. No one expected the rocket to be launched, and no one could have stopped it (not even the Chinese). The shelling and the sinking maybe wouldn’t have happened under the progressives but then again that does not really reflect well on the progressives if you think about it.
But the one thing I really do applaud LMB for is that he did not bend over for the North. He took the right stance, at a price, but the price under the progressives, though less bloody was much higher: it was the price of the selling out of the country’s soul to its enemy.
But the one thing I really do applaud LMB for is that he did not bend over for the North.
Tell me, how did LMB not bend over? Did he order the troops fight back when SK was attacked? Did he stop paying NK?
No, he did not. Another thing he didn’t do is go to Pyongyang hat in hand and tail between his legs, to basically sell the country out. But I do agree with you that Kaesong should be closed, and for me the better chance of that happening is under PGH. If the Comrade comes to power we can expect more payments, more “joint projects” and more “please, take the NLL and consider it gone” sort of garbage. I wonder what kind of deal Comrade Moon offered to the Juche Princess and her goons upon his election victory.
Wow, all you had to do was to NOT visit Pyongyang to show resolve? That’s a funny way of thinking about resolve. One might think resolve means something like fighting back when attacked, which is how things worked with NK under the progressive administrations.
By that funny definition, PGH already failed. PGH made an unauthorized visit to Pyongyang in 2002 to meet with Kim Jong-Il, and later wrote about how SK must continue humanitarian aids and joint economic projects. By the way, PGH can thank the progressive administration for not prosecuting her under the National Security Law, which she clearly violated by her visit.
Its not like visiting Pyongyang is something that just happens; you actually have to do a great deal of begging and pay a lot of money to set a visit like that up. The 2 summits were criminal. And yes, I’m aware of what PGH said and did, but I still believe she is a better chance at keeping the Sunshine off.
Your POV is skewed. Frankly, I am disapointed with your use of artificial flavourings (dogmatism).
LMB is pretty slimy in his habits but you can not blame him for the machinations of the DPRK leadership. Rather, I would blame many in the Government here for their lack of preparations and incompetence in dealing with North Korean aggression and not just LMB. If America left South Korea, it would force this collective government to deal with reality and possibly run a professional military, however seeing the amount of corruption and ineptitude here (nuclear power plants, military maintenance vendors), there could be some serious problems and incidents before people would properly deal with reality. Think of it this way, South Korea will need several Sampoong Department Store moments to raise their level of awareness and to drive them to direct action.
TK, the real demon is the complacency that surrounds us all in this part of the world, not LMB.
So, the two progressive presidents had to pay to visit, but PGH visited for free? That’s quite a statement.
Dogmatism? On the contrary, Elgin — I am focused on facts and figures. By any objective metric, the progressive administrations did a better job at keeping SK safe, opening up NK AND crushing the enemy when NK dared to cause provocation.
You are clear-eyed enough to see through the bullshit that is LMB administration. Your eyes will be clearer if you dropped your instinctive mistrust of the progressives.
Did I say that? She probably paid as well. Then again, she didn’t go there with much to offer (i.e. selling out ROK sovereignty), certainly not as much as the two progressive jackasses.
The “progressives” are of the same ilk and have contributed to the events of the last five years in their own way. Again, the real issue is larger than merely being an “our record vs. their record” scenario.
Also, do not think for one moment that the DPRK has not been deliberate in their actions and attempts to underscore this complacency and to discredit the current administration and influence South Korea politics. Their timing and your very words illustrate this point perfectly.
I remember having a brilliant flash of idea of asking the North Koreans for participation in the War against Terrorism. Along the same vein, I propose asking the North Koreans with help with launching the Naro-ho.
Actually when the North lauched the Unha 3, there were a whole bunch of excuse-articles comparing the failed attempts of Naro to the Unha and the difference between them
This article is really in-depth and explains the difference. The main point is the difference in the fuel and the oxidant of the rockets, mainly the temperature at which they operate- Naro cannot be converted into a missile, whereas Unha 3 can.
I remember reading some comment even suggesting that South Korea isn’t *allowed* to develop a solid-fuel based rocket. Don’t know if it’s true.
This Chosun article explains the same.
No matter how the South Koreans like to spin it we LOST in our mini-retro cold war rocket game.
Fat guys usually have very tiny dicks…Just saying.
Right…I’m still waiting for that affordable housing in Bundang that Roh promised.
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