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Jill Kelley to be stripped of honorary consulship

Life can be so unfair:

Korea has decided to relieve Jill Kelley, a Tampa socialite who helped expose CIA Director David Petraeus’s career-ending affair, from an “honorary Korean Deputy Foreign Minister Kim Kyou-hyun, on a visit here for regular consultations with U.S. officials, cited Kelley’s efforts to use her title as South Korea’s honorary consul in Floria for personal gains.

“It’s not suitable to the status of honorary consul that (she) sought to be involved in commercial projects and peddle influence. It’s also inappropriate as honorary consul,” Kim told Korean reporters.

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  • Oneforall

    All those blowies…….for nothing!

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    I love the irony of a Korean public official saying influence peddling is inappropriate.

  • http://globalasianculture.com Liz

    @2

    Right. Because any Korean public official, regardless of his personal track record, is immediately disqualified from making an otherwise rational claim about Americans or any other so-called Westerner, on the grounds that he is…GASP!…a Korean? Ring the alarm!

    And, oh yes. How dare he disenfranchise white womanhood like that. Honestly — way out of line, especially in this year of our Lord 1885.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    @3, most likely because Korean public officials are more corrupt than normal. That said, the real irony is that any public official, Korea, American, or otherwise, has the gall to lecture anyone on ethics and morals. Public officials the world over are a scummy lot. some just more than others, but its all just shades of very dark grey.

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    I visited your blog, Liz, and laughed out loud when, four sentences into the first anti-consumerist screed, you dropped the mandatory reference to — apropos of nothingMichel Foucault. Of course! You can take a nitwit out of a graduate school seminar, but you can’t take the graduate school seminar out of the nitwit. Absolutely ridiculous.

    Next time I’m in New York I’d like to say hello. Which Starbucks are you working at?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Ahh Liz has a blog. Good for her. She is a nitwit. Capitalism is ugly? Go to North Korea to see ugly, Liz. Id rather have the option to buy useless crap than no option to buy anything useful, like FOOD. Focault, Marx….how stupid is stupid? Answer: Liz-stupid.

  • hamel

    Oh this is going well. Taxi!

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    @5

    Don’t over-generalize there friend. I not only studied Foucault, i studied with him and even assisted in one of his courses; and i managed to get by without having my mind or my asshole (or anything else) muddled

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    Strangely, although I’ve known you over 15 years, this is the very first time you’ve felt it necessary to raise that reference, whereas Liz, I expect, drops that name quite a bit. Therein lies the difference. I went to graduate school too, and my key takeaway was that as soon as the name “Foucault” appears in a text, it’s about to turn tedious.

  • Wedge

    “Capitalism is ugly, not to mention a bit scary, because it is a source of fuel for ongoing wars.” Look ma, I got an A on my Victim Studies 101 test.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    And I bet shes a big fan of Apple products, too.

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    Hey now.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Dont ya know, all the cool anti capitalists own apple stuff. And drink Starbucks.

  • Wedge

    And wear Che T-shirts.

  • holterbarbour

    Would be truly surprised to find a bunch of anti-capitalists patronizing Starbucks if something not publicly traded were available to them as well.

  • http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    Look, say what you will about her last post, but two things: a) Liz is a personal friend and a former colleague, and b) she’s not stupid. Rip said “anti-consumerist screed” all you like, but keep the personal attacks to a minimum. Thanks.

  • hamel

    I could see #16 coming a mile off.
    You brought it on yourself, right-wing cheerleaders!

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    #16, Ok, naive.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    Again, seconded.

    Also, there is a world of difference between ripping posters’ ideas and imputing and ripping posters’ imputed ideas. One is intellectually honest, the other is not.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Well, she attacks capitalism and praises a Nork propaganda piece. I think the opinion is self evident, Joe.

  • R. Elgin

    If someone has a problem with capitalism, that does not make them a Communist or hipster.
    There is a problem with capitalism in America and no other system has an answer either.
    Now, back on topic – I hope someone writes a TV drama about Jill Kelly, et. al too since the whole fiasco reeks of flamboyant TV drama. I only wonder who will play the mild mannered Korean diplomat and what will be his/her secret?

  • Maximus2008

    “but keep the personal attacks to a minimum”

    Robert, people attack each other all the time here, and you don’t interfere. Why not let her defend herself? Nobody is insulting her, but challenging her views. She can’t stand up for herself? Need the owner of the blog for that?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    R. Elgin,

    no, it doesnt. But when that person praises Nork propaganda videos in the same piece, I think that there may be something to it.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    Well, Sal (I call you Sal because we are on familiar terms), in serious discussions about her attacks on capitalism and praise for Nork prop pieces, rip her attacks on capitalism and her praise for a Nork propaganda piece.

    Until then, I don’t see how Pythagoras’s pederasty provides proof against his famous theorem.

  • hamel

    Well, she attacks capitalism and praises a Nork propaganda piece. I think the opinion is self evident, Joe.

    For the record, that film is not made in the DPRK, nor by or for North Koreans. It was made in Australia by Australian anti-capitalists or Korean-Australians, or Koreans in Australia, or a collaboration of the 3 foregoing groups.

    I don’t like the film, but it is NOT North Korean, although it desperately pretends to be, hoping (successfully, as it turns out) that this kind of cachet will garner it extra Youtube views.

    Adam Curtis made such documentaries better. This is just a cheap rip-off.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #22 Maximus2008: …people attack each other all the time here, and you don’t interfere. Why not let her defend herself? Nobody is insulting her, but challenging her views. She can’t stand up for herself? Need the owner of the blog for that?

    I’m not above issuing an elbow to the ribs (particularly on the open and less serious threads), but the off-topic attacks, even on ideas, derail the discussions.

    Liz’s @3 comment (and btw, I agree more with BC’s) was on topic. Other posts sought to discredit her opinion by association with her other ideas. We might as well say that all her ideas are damned because she hasn’t accepted (excepted?) the flying spaghetti monster as her personal lord and savior.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Whether it is genuinely NK or not I think is immaterial. It follows a general tenor of Nork propaganda pieces that appeal to people like Liz.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    #3 was NOT on topic, it totally misunderstood #2 to which it was replying.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    @28 Sal, you really need to do more than move your eyeballs over the text. I’d say, “try reading @2 and @3 again” but what I really mean is “try reading them for the first time.”

  • Foust

    @6 – Yes, at least it’s not North Korea. It’s not Nazism, either. Yay for capitalism!

  • dokdoforever

    Let’s bring back Mitt our savior! Obama stole the election! Let’s secede! Losing is just too painful a reality to accept. It’s all ‘people like X’s’ fault.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    @31, “It’s all ‘people like X’s’ fault.”

    Malcolm X?
    Professor X?
    The mystery guest on What’s My Line?
    U.S. Steel?
    Gen X?
    All men and those third genders who carry an extra chromosome?
    Illiterates?

    Damn, that’s a lot of blame to go around.

  • jkitchstk

    “It’s not suitable to the status of honorary consul that (she) sought to be involved in commercial projects and peddle influence. It’s also inappropriate as honorary consul,” Kim told Korean reporters.”

    What is he(Kim) going by media reports, don’t suppose he got contacted her to get her side of the story now do ya?

  • hamel

    SalarymaninSeoul:

    Whether it is genuinely NK or not I think is immaterial. It follows a general tenor of Nork propaganda pieces that appeal to people like Liz.

    It might be immaterial in a discussion where we are looking to pile on Liz, but in a discussion of the film itself, it is quite material and relevant.

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  • http://globalasianculture.com Liz

    @5

    LOL. You know you’re losing the argument when you have to make a personal attack! Such a pathetic, crass move, trying to denigrate in the process, people who work at Starbucks. Take your fist out of Mitt Romney’s ass already.

    And if being a vulgar racist who thinks he knows everything is such a good thing, wondering why you work in South Korea in all places?

    Leave already, because when you do leave, you probably won’t be missed.

    PS — and the part you totally left out is that the kind of disgusting racism you practice literally makes Koreans and Asians the target of hate crimes. So, yes, SHAME ON YOU for encouraging both online and offline violence.

    Pisser.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    The first rule of Korean bribe club is: you don’t talk about Korean bribe club. The second rule of Korean bribe club is: you don’t talk about Korean bribe club.

  • johnestes

    Are we back to the Hoover days with the FBI hoovering up emails without a court order and leaking the investigation in a partisan way? There is a new video that I saw that deals with this issue as a parody. It’s funny but scary. The video suggest we all hide our internet traces using a VPN, but how did we get into this position as a country? Since the Patriot Act have we given up so many freedoms that our only recourse is to hide under a technology rock? That this in fact happened to our CIA Director is stunning. Shouldn’t the FBI be vilified in this? But somehow they are not and it has become a personal tragedy rather than a governance tragedy. The media has barely covered the FBI side of the scandal.

    Check out the the Petraeus Broadwell Parody
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rMjnY-0q7M

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    Take your fist out of Mitt Romney’s ass already.

    This kind of heteronormative smear is abhorrent coming from a hyper-tolerant, progressive crusader like Liz. What’s wrong with having my fist in Mitt Romney’s ass? What would Foucault say?

    I am also bemused by the proposition that merely mentioning Bribe Club is responsible for racism and “hate crimes”.

  • gbnhj

    What would Foucault say?

    Perfect!

  • hamel

    Was Foucault a fister? Give the man a hand. Err…

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    I don’t know. All I know is that liberals love to wrap themselves in the cloak of tolerance, while they embrace policies which infantilize blacks, Hispanics, and women, and throw nasty gay-baiting insults at supposedly “intolerant” conservatives and libertarians. Unless homosexuality is somehow wrong, there’s no insult to be had in a phrase like “Take your fist out of Mitt Romney’s ass already.” I don’t have a problem with gay myself, and I’m appalled that Liz does. Doubly so because she’s so shrill (see her self-parodying comment #35, above).

    Joke about the well-known propensity of Korean public officials to seek bribes, and suddenly I killed Vincent Chin.

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    @40

    He was a catcher not a pitcher.

  • hamel

    @42 then definitely give him a hand!

    By the way, how do you know?

  • Jashin Densetsu

    @43

    he knows because he’s part of that scene bro. his avatar is the hieroglyph for it bro.

  • R. Elgin

    . . . What’s wrong with having my fist in Mitt Romney’s ass? What would Foucault say?

    He would probably ask you to wash your hands before dinner or wear gloves.
    - – - – - –
    Michel Foucault and Jorge Borges sit down to lunch together.
    Jorge: “Michel, there is a fly in my soup!”
    Michel: ” Jorge, you’ll just have to reorder.”
    Jorge: “Ah, fly soup. Delicious!”

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    @43

    He told me

  • hamel

    @46
    Must’ve been interesting table talk.
    Did he ever follow up with an invitation?

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    It came out when I drove him down to NYC for the weekend once and he told me to drop him off in front of the “Glory Hole”, which was a gay S&M bar in the old – I kid you not – meatpacking district, and I made the mistake of asking why he wanted to go there. It hadn’t occurred to me before that he was frisky.

    Yeah; I declined.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    So, Liz belts out a homophobic smear on this blog, while she references Foucault, who was a homosexual, on her own blog? And she is NOT stupid?

  • hamel

    Sperwer, thanks for that. Gave me the best laugh of the day.

  • Jieun K

    Did he ever follow up with an invitation?

    “Glory Hole”, which was a gay S&M bar in the old [...]
    I declined.

    I couldn’t help but imagine a young Sperwer getting just a taste of the gay persuasion. I’m in a fit of laughter.

  • Jashin Densetsu

    “just a taste”? he was literally giving rides to queers bro.

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    Why not? Queers need a ride just like anyone else, bro. I heard they buy groceries just like the rest of us, too. I used to go to basketball games at the University of Washington with a big homo pretty regularly. We both liked the cheerleading squad.

    Greg was a University of Kansas graduate, so the fact that he was gay was pretty much in line with what I had heard growing up as a Mizzou fan. We both liked the Big Eight and balls, but for him it had double meaning.

  • Jieun K

    Bro, you keep your manhood safe and sound, OK?

  • dokdoforever

    I’m also not cool with the personal attacks on Liz. That said, there are a couple things about race here that should be clarified. Racism involves discrimination, but also requires a power disparity. Even if Carr did think lowly of East Asian people, he’s not really in much of a position to do much about it. Almost all of us over here work for ‘the man.’ And ‘the man’ is Korean. You might say – but oh, how about those 30,000 US troops in Korea? Maybe things are different on the base. Off the base, the best that having American troops in Korea can do for an American is to provide them with a lowly paid job, with little chance of promotion, teaching English at Hakwon somewhere. Korea is still very much a single race nation. Non-Koreans are largely on the periphery, in specialized niches. And it is very difficult to advance outside those niches. It just doesn’t make any sense to call an expat in Korea ‘racist.’ That implies that most expats somehow have access to social, economic and political power in this country, which they do not. Many foreign firms in Korea, too, are ditching their expats in favor of Koreans fluent in English.
    As for claims of corruption.. the view that Koreans are corrupt is the prevalent view held by Koreans about Korean government business relations. Actually I think Korea is a little less corrupt than most Koreans think it is. But expats complaining about perceptions of Korean corruption is no different from Koreans complaining about their perceptions of Korean corruption.

    And North Korea and Marxism? The North Koreans have a Stalinist state run totalitarian system, but they emphasize Juche philosophy over Marxism – Juche focuses on claims of racial exceptionalism (racial superiority of Koreans) and highlights the amazing god-like abilities and expertise of ‘the leader.’ These two traits of the philosophy are incompatible with the egalitarian and scientific values trumpeted by Marxism.

    Ideology can help simplify reality. When imprudently applied, it can also blind us to reality. In that regard I think that Liz’s description of race in Korea is almost as far off as Carr’s explanation of inequality in the US.

  • jkitchstk

    # 33,
    “What is he(Korean Deputy Foreign Minister Kim Kyou-hyun) going by media reports, don’t suppose he got contacted her to get her side of the story now do ya?”

    Good question, it appears S. Korean justice or Korean Deputy Foreign Minister Kim, Kyou-hyun decide whether someone is guilty through media reports. If the American media reports that someone said something about someone else(here-say) that means you must be guilty even when the story is completely one-sided.

    I think most people here commenting about Jill Kelley are like Kim Kyou-hyun assuming guilt before hearing her side of the story.

    Jill Kelley Lawyers Fight Claims Over Petraeus Scandal
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/27/jill-kelley-petraeus_n_2201340.html?1354067572&icid=maing-grid7%7Cmaing7%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D238809
    “Jill Kelley, through her attorneys, went on the attack against a New York businessman(Adam Victor) who accused her of incompetence in her work trying to set up a deal he was negotiating with South Korean companies; an attorney who accused her of name-dropping and of being a social climber; and the FBI agent who first leaked her name in connection with the Petraeus scandal.”

    “The scandal this week cost Kelley her appointment as an honorary consul for the South Korean government, which she had gotten because of her friendship with Petraeus. The Koreans(Kim Kyou-hyun) said she had misused the title in her personal business dealings.
    Kelley’s attorneys sent a cease-and-desist letter to New York businessman Adam Victor; a complaint to the Florida bar against Tampa attorney Barry Cohen, and a letter to the U.S. Attorney’s Office demanding that it investigate to find out who in the FBI leaked her name to the news media. Representatives of attorney Abbe Lowell emailed copies of the letters to The Associated Press.”

  • jkitchstk

    Robert,
    This post has been totally hijacked and must be one of the worst ever, 50+ comments aren’t even about your post. I tried to get it back on track but I guess racism is the most important attraction here thanks to Liz, your “personal friend.” Then, one of your contributing bloggers ignores her and tries to take it elsewhere(to another post/thread/subject). Perhaps my Jill Kelley comments don’t fit and should be deleted.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    @57 jkitchstk, Although I don’t think this thread was intentionally hijacked, it was certainly derailed. Whether intentionally hijacked or derailed, both are detrimental to discourse.

    I think the problem is that we didn’t sign on and don’t adhere to a users’ agreement. In an Open Thread a few weeks ago, I suggested that we open a thread about our unwritten rules of engagement. I still suggest such and maybe to write some of them down.

  • Arghaeri

    LOL. You know you’re losing the argument when you have to make a personal attack!

    followed by

    And if being a vulgar racist who thinks he knows everything is such a good thing, wondering why you work in South Korea in all places?

    Leave already, because when you do leave, you probably won’t be missed.

    I guess then that the latter is excused cos Liz didn’t have to, just wanted to! LOL

  • TheKorean2

    To dokdoforever, Juche literally means “self-reliance”, and has nothing to do with race. North Korea is more like a dynastic totalitarian state than a Stalinist state.

  • Wedge

    Ah, I see this thread is still going. Sperwer: Very, very funny. Danke schoen for that, mi amigo.

    And yes, liberals have no compunction about denigrating members of “victim” groups who don’t follow the dogma. Log Cabin Republicans particularly piss them off.

  • hamel

    Wedge:
    what’s funny is you’re the only one on this thread to use the word “victim.” Twice. ;)

  • Wedge

    What can I say, I strongly dislike victim politics. They divide the country like no other. Martin Luther King once said, “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” Not if the Democrats can help it.