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Open Thread #270

It’s cold out there!

  • CactusMcHarris

    First, bro.

  • CactusMcHarris

    And further to Mr. Neff’s comment opening this thread, I have a protest. The snow that arrived early Monday morning is still here – I guess I’m sacrificing to the wrong weather gods, but I could have sworn this was still autumn.

  • numberoneoppa

    It’s been a crazy week and I’ve learned a lot of chemistry. Chemistry is a pain in the ass, especially when the material you’re working with goes for 400 bucks a gram. Anybody here ever worked with fluorescent or electroluminescent polymers before?

  • http://adamsawry.wordpress.com Adams-awry

    I rub ‘em into my balls.

  • mitchel-murray
  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Numberoneoppa wrote (#3):

    Anybody here ever worked with fluorescent or electroluminescent polymers before?

    Yes, but they were Filipinos, not Polymers. Well, I didn’t actually work with them; I just watched them dance on stage. The Philippines is closer to Micronesia.

  • jkitchstk

    PSA,
    Be careful on the streets of North Gyeongsang Province in southeast South Korea and elsewhere
    ‘S. Korea’s road fatality rate highest in OECD: report’
    http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2012/11/16/23/0302000000AEN20121116007100315F.HTML
    “Pedestrians in North Gyeongsang Province in southeast South Korea were the most vulnerable among 16 metropolitan cities and provinces nationwide, logging 22.2 road deaths per 100,000 people in 2011, it added.”

  • keith

    I haven’t really bothered following the Petreaus-Kelly scandal, but reading the paper this afternoon I came across a photo of her. Apparently she is 37, but she looks much older and she really is a bit of a hound. She looks like a bloke! You’d think that if some VIP type is going to risk their career and reputation over a sex scandal they’d at least make it a bit more worthwhile by getting involved with someone who was at least half decent looking.

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    Paula Broadwell, at least, is physically attractive and seems to be quite smart. (Demented, of course, but smart.) I can understand Gen. Petraeus wanting to do it under the desk with Broadwell.

  • jkitchstk

    Fiscal cliff: Kicking the can down the road continues to be Republican objective.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/16/boehner-obama-fiscal-cliff_n_2146603.html
    “But there is an added benefit to Republicans in pushing discussions into 2013. The president has immense political leverage, having just won an election in which he pledged not to continue the Bush tax cuts for income over $250,000. Six months from now, the situation may be different. Certainly, the closer one gets to the 2014 midterm elections, the more skittish moderate Democrats are likely to be about letting any rates go higher.”

  • keith

    @9 Yeah, she is a bit better. Still not worth risking career, marriage and reputation over though. Petreaus should sue his optician!

    That Kelly woman looks like a really unconvincing transvestite. She almost resembles Steven Tyler of Aerosmith fame in drag. I can’t believe she’s younger than me and yet looks like she’s in her 40′s or 50′s. Steven Tyler at least has the excuse of living a long life in rock ‘n’ roll and many years of drug abuse for the way he looks these days. He’s still in pretty good shape though for a guy in his mid sixties and an ex junkie to boot.

    Maybe it’s a genetic thing. Steven’s daughter, Liv, is an attractive lady in her mid thirties, and when she was a little bit younger she was breathtakingly beautiful. Some people are just lucky with ageing, lots of people are rather shocked when they hear how old my wife and I are. We both look a lot younger than we are.

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    That Kelly woman looks like a really unconvincing transvestite. She almost resembles Steven Tyler of Aerosmith fame in drag.

    The Kelley woman’s sister looks like a linebacker, so I really wonder about the sister’s story. Tell you what, the two of ‘em must be really laughey and touchy-flirty.

    There may be a real scandal here: Jill Kelley tried to parlay her honorary consul (not “counsel”, argh!) status into some kind of broker-fixer status, all based on her close relationship to David Petraeus. She reportedly demanded a US$80 million fee to arrange the sale of coal gasification plants to Korea (2% of US$4 billion deal value).

    Her prospective client was right to run like hell. That size broker fee smells to high heaven, and should give anyone pause that the vigorish was to be shared with a variety of parties on the down-low. Was Kelley going to pay off Petraeus for the introduction to the Koreans? Was she to pay off senior Korean government officials? Or, worst of all, both? There would have been enough money to pay off every snout in the trough. This definitely merits close examination.

  • Jashin Densetsu

    @8

    you should see Petraeus’s wife bro.

  • Arghaeri

    I rub ‘em into my balls.

    Indeed, you would think a chemist would know they don’t belong up your ass, even at 400 bucks a pop.

  • Arghaeri

    consul (not “counsel”, argh!)

    Why have a go at me I din’t say nuthin!

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/shocking Jakgani

    You have said 30 words too many already.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    let’s go back to the early korean 80s with a look at this number one pop song from then popular singer, 방미 (pang mi). give it a chance, it’s a slow song and sounds dated but it’s nice one. if i recall correctly, it stayed number for some time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1aTWUuwDdM

    cactus, of course gerry is wearing a corrupted oyomori. i thought it made him look like a toh-up geisha. sad that he look better as a drag queen.

  • Arghaeri

    Miss your flight did you, Jak?

  • YangachiBastardo

    How you doin’ fuckheads ?

    As i am not a sore loser, I have to apologise to Nostradumbass jkitchen: months ago i forecast a surprise Mitt victory, clearly i was wrong and proved myself an even bigger doofoo…let’s give credit where credit is due

    Ah compliment me, you bastards:

    this involved loads of hardwork and quite a bit of money

  • YangachiBastardo

    Anybody here ever worked with fluorescent or electroluminescent polymers before?

    Back in the heyday i suspect lots of ‘em transitated through my nostrils, everything was much cheaper back then tho

  • Jieun K

    this involved loads of hardwork and quite a bit of money

    Make him an honorary consul of South Korea.

  • CactusMcHarris

    #19,

    All right here – I was thinking of you the other day, wondering where that magnificent bastardo was.

  • Sonagi

    What Keith and Brendon said.

    Petraeus and Allen stayed married to their wives all these years because their wives were terrific spouses, mothers, and career supporters, not because the women had discovered the fountain of youth and could compete physically with camp followers half their age. As Keith noted here and others have noted on the comment threads of related media stories, Kelley does not seem worth the risk of losing your longtime spouse and career. She is unattractive on the outside and the inside.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    when america’s first minority president came into office, the first thing he wanted to do was get tough with isreal. then he met the power of the jewish lobby. it ain’t no coincidence that the first man of color in the white house wanted to press israel since israel is just like apartheid south africa. israel won but for how much longer? israel is important to white americans but not colored ones. i hope israel is looking at the changing demographics of the us; we colored americans are not so sanguine about a european people stealing brown people’s land.

    have fun, israel, killing all those children.

  • Sonagi

    Rove’s Election night meltdown on Fox. Romney not bothering to prepare a concession speech beforehand. Did the hacker group Anonymous play a role in thwarting election fraud? Read the entire story here:

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/11/17/anonymous-saved-the-election-text/

  • CactusMcHarris

    I wish to amend #1 to as follows

    ‘First Bro Back in The White House’

  • CactusMcHarris

    And #11, spot on – the same thing I thought of was a semi-attractive transvestite. Got to love the gumption of asking for that multimillion fee, eh?

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    ‘According to the newspaper Haaretz, Israeli Interior Minister Eli Yishai said the “goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages.”’

    so, israel blokades them and now wants to send them back to the middle ages, eh? i wonder why the palestinians fire rockets at the
    yehuds.

  • gbnhj

    #12,

    Hey, if an $80 million broker fee on a $4 billion deal sounds fishy, imagine how outrageous the $687 million fee Olympus paid on a $2.2 billion deal must have sounded (or rather, ought to have sounded, since Olympus claims they orchestrated it to cover losses years ago). The amount of that scam (a 31% ‘fee’!), and how everyone kept quiet about it for years, still amazes me.

  • iMe

    re: Broadwell
    I’d tap that ass!

  • Jashin Densetsu

    Petraeus should’ve dishonorably discharged his wife.

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/shocking Jakgani

    #24 & #28 – Perhaps you need another history lesson……

    Amongst ethnic groups, the Hispanic and Latino population is believed to be the most hostile towards Israel.

    President Obama pledged to maintain Israel’s “Qualitative Military Edge” over the other countries in the region.
    ————————————————————

    Obama was NOT the first American president to get tough with Israel…

    1973 Kissinger pressured the Israelis to withdraw from Arab lands.

    1975 President Ford responded on 21 March 1975 by saying administration will reassess its relations with the Israeli government. In addition, arms shipments to Israel halted.

    1977 Carter pressured Israel to withdraw from the captured Palestinian territories, President Carter’s support for a Palestinian homeland and for Palestinian political rights particularly created tensions with the Israel government.

    1981 Reagan reminded Israel that weaponry provided by the U.S. was to be used for defensive purposes only, and suspended shipments of cluster munitions to Israel

    1991 President Bush raised the ire of the Israel government when he told a press conference that East Jerusalem was occupied territory and not a sovereign part of Israel as Israel claims.

    1993 President Clinton disagreed with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s policy of expanding Jewish settlements in the occupied territories, and it was reported that the President believed that the Prime Minister delayed the peace process.

    2001 – 2009 President George W. Bush was accused by Israel of appeasing the Palestinians at Israel’s expense in a bid for Arab support for the U. S. anti-terror campaign.

    in return the United States criticized the Israeli practice of assassinating Palestinians believed to be engaged in terrorism, which appeared to some Israelis to be inconsistent with the U.S. policy of pursuing Osama bin Laden “dead or alive”.

    2011 Obama made a foreign policy speech in which he called for a return to the pre-1967 Israeli borders with mutually agreed land swaps, to which Israel objected.

    All recent U.S. administrations have disapproved of Israel’s settlement activity as prejudging final status and possibly preventing the emergence of a contiguous Palestinian state.
    ————————————————————-

    Why is Israel important to the USA?

    The United States and Israel have cooperated on intelligence matters since the 1950s.

    In 2010 and again in 2012, Israeli exports to the United States surpassed those to the European Union, usually the top destination for Israeli exports

    The United States has taken on the preeminent role in facilitating peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.
    Why?
    because it will contribute to the growth of a democratized Palestinian state. With pressure exerted from both democracies, Israel and America, Abbas and the PA will be expected to bring an end to violence by reining in and quashing terrorists. More democracy in the region will contribute to the overall goal of regional stability and mark a great victory for the west in its war against Islamic fundamentalism.

    Democratic Israel is a helpful and strategic ally, and U.S. relations with Israel strengthen the U.S. presence in the Middle East.

    Several regional America–Israel Chambers of Commerce exist to facilitate expansion by Israeli and American companies into each other’s markets. American companies such as Motorola, IBM, Microsoft and Intel chose Israel to establish major R&D centers. Israel has more companies listed on the NASDAQ than any country outside North America.

    The U.S. and Israel are engaged in extensive strategic, political and military cooperation. This cooperation is broad and includes American aid, intelligence sharing, and joint military exercises. American military aid to Israel comes in different forms, including grants, special project allocations and loans.

    One facet of the U.S.–Israel strategic relationship is the joint development of the Arrow Anti-Ballistic Missile Program, designed to intercept and destroy ballistic missiles. This development is funded by both Israel and the United States. The Arrow has also provided the U.S. with the research and experience necessary to develop additional weapons systems. So far, the development cost has been between $2.4 and $3.6 Billion, with the United States picking up 50% of the final costs.

    In April 1996, President Bill Clinton and Prime Minister Shimon Peres signed the U.S.–Israel Counter-terrorism Accord. The two countries agreed to further cooperation in information sharing, training, investigations, research and development and policymaking.

    At the federal, state and local levels there is close Israeli–American cooperation on Homeland Security. Israel was one of the first countries to cooperate with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security in developing initiatives to enhance homeland security.

    The United States maintains six war reserve stocks inside Israel, and maintains some $300 million in military equipment at these sites. The equipment is owned by the United States and is for use by American forces in the Middle East. The United States is also alleged to keep fighter and bomber aircraft at these sites, and one of the bases is thought to contain a 500-bed hospital for U.S. Marines and Special Forces.

    The Dimona Radar Facility is an American radar facility in the Negev desert of Israel, located near Dimona. The facility has two 400-foot radar towers designed to track ballistic missiles through space and provide ground-based missiles with the targeting data needed to intercept them. It can detect missiles up to 1,500 miles away. The facility is owned and operated by the U.S. military, and provides only second-hand intelligence to Israel. The towers of the facility are the tallest radar towers in the world, and the tallest towers in Israel.

    In reality, the war between Israel and the Palestinians has in effect been the clash of civilizations. Israel has defended the West against its enemies. This marks the true significance of Israel and why American and western support for Israel is so important.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    all claptrap bs. the israeli do whatever they feel- for now. when americans of color take more political power, israel gonna find out colored americans aint gonna support their war on brown folk.
    btw dont school me about america. you aint from here; i am.

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    Brendon (#9), the words “Demented, of course, but smart” might apply to several of us regulars here at the MH . . .

    Jeffery Hodges

    * * *

  • Q
  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/shocking Jakgani

    we colored americans are not so sanguine about a european people stealing brown people’s land.

    israel gonna find out colored americans aint gonna support their war on brown folk.

    “we” ? I always thought you were Russian-Korean pawi?

    are you now African-American-Korean?

    Does it “matter” if Palestinians are “white” or “brown” (or partially- or wholly-Black)? I guess that depends on ones politics. In my own politics, Palestinians’ racial classifications are completely irrelevant.

    I know Palestinians who are white. I know some who are brown.

    I know Israelis who have the same tones and more.

    Skin tone, in this conflict, is not something to base things off of, since it’s not a good indicator of things and by using strict definitions based on skin color you’d probably place some Israelis and “Palestinians” and vice versa.

    I actually think maybe they are green. Green of envy seeing Israel and how well it is doing. seeing how Israel managed to cultivate much of the barren land (swamp land and deserts), seeing how modern it is, and how the citizens of Israel enjoy much personal freedoms.

    and then they look at themselves and think “if we beat the Israelis – we can have all this” not realizing that they are the only obstacle to their own success. just take a walk in any arab country that is not rich with oil – and you’ll see them living in conditions of 100 years ago.

    all claptrap bs.

    all I did was list a page and a half full of FACTS – showing the history of relations between the USA and Israel, how the former “white” USA presidents also told Israel to get out of East Jerusalem and why Israel is important to the USA.

    none of it was claptrap (pretentious, insincere, or empty language)

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/shocking Jakgani

    On Friday as I drove into Jerusalem by taxi, we passed a protest near the house of the Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu – about 50 Israelis dressed in black held aloft placards reading “Stop the occupation of the West Bank”.

    Hmm… not all Israels agree with what is happening either.

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/shocking Jakgani

    The White House said President Barack Obama was also in touch with the Egyptian and Turkish leaders. The US has solidly backed Israel so far.

    Speaking on Air Force One, Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes said the White House believed Israel “has the right to defend itself” against attack and that the Israelis will make their own decisions about their “military tactics and operations”.

    so pawi ?? Obama is black – and at the moment he supports what Israel is doing….

  • dogbertt

    pawi’s not Russian.

    – Young Putin

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    all israelis are complicit. the events you refer to are known to me. israel is a white colony that engages in ethnic cleansing yet the west only gives lip service. go look at a timeline map of how the palestinian west bank seems to be getting smaller and smaller. and you are right; palestinisns arent black. if they were, this problem would have been over long ago.

  • Jashin Densetsu

    israelis aren’t white bro. they’re semites.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    western leaders always say the israelis have a right to defend themselves but none of them say that the palestinians have a right to fight an occupier. why is that? those who may agree with the idea that the palestinians do indeed have a right to defend themselves and fight an occupier always add that they must only target the military. yeah like the palestinians have tanks and all. israel’s days in the west bank will come to end. they must leave the entire west bank. either they do it on their own or colored america gonna do it for them. aint crap israel can do to the states. btw, in my book, wrong is wrong and not dependent on skin color.

  • Jashin Densetsu

    the coloreds don’t care about the israel-palestine issue bro. they only care about gifts. the only people who aren’t pro-israel are non-evangelical and non-brainwashed whites.

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/shocking Jakgani

    Palestinians are sunni muslims.

    Look how they are taking over the world -
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunni_Muslim

    If Israel wants to fight back – I am all for it.

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/shocking Jakgani

    israelis aren’t white bro. they’re semites.

    Semites are, technically, Caucasian.

    Some White racialists don’t consider all Caucasoid peoples to be “white,” though (I know that they feel that Nordics are “white,” and probably Alpines, as well, but not the other Caucasoid sub-races). So I guess that it depends on your definition of “white.”

  • YangachiBastardo

    Green of envy seeing Israel and how well it is doing. seeing how Israel managed to cultivate much of the barren land (swamp land and deserts), seeing how modern it is, and how the citizens of Israel enjoy much personal freedoms

    From what i gather Israel is not doing well at all:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Israeli_social_justice_protests

    Actually that’s where the Occupy type of protests began and where they involved the highest amount of participants.

    I know a couple of Israeli dudes here, they all invariably report how unlivable and poor the country is, how there are no jobs paying a living wage etc. etc. They also say in my country quality of life and standards of living are much better, much to the sheer astonishment of the locals (including myself).

    Israel is another Mediterranean shithole…and on the lower end of the spectrum

    pawi’s not Russian.

    – Young Putin

    LOL and who wanna be Russian ?

  • YangachiBastardo

    All right here – I was thinking of you the other day, wondering where that magnificent bastardo was.

    He HE been working, working, working…life is grand. I will be in Asia for 2 weeks, starting next friday: KL, Taipei and **GASP** Manila for the first time, really looking forward to all this

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/shocking Jakgani

    Yeah.. Yeah.. they are protesting because the cost of living has risen so high and other things (welfare) have dropped.

    What countries isn’t that happening in?

    Israel has the highest standard of living in the Middle East.

    Palestines are green with envy – because they live right next door.

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/shocking Jakgani

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Israel

    The economy of Israel is a technologically advanced market economy, including rapidly developing high-tech and service sectors.

    As of 2011, Israel ranks 17th among 187 world nations on the UN’s Human Development Index, which places it in the category of “Very Highly Developed”.

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/shocking Jakgani

    The United States is Israel’s largest trading partner; two-way trade totaled some $24.5 billion in 2010, up from $12.7 billion in 1997.

    The principal U.S. exports to Israel include computers, integrated circuits, aircraft parts and other defense equipment, wheat, and automobiles.

    Israel’s chief exports to the U.S. include cut diamonds, jewelry, integrated circuits, printing machinery, and telecommunications equipment.

    The two countries signed a free trade agreement (FTA) in 1985 that progressively eliminated tariffs on most goods traded between the two countries over the following ten years.

    An agricultural trade accord was signed in November 1996, which addressed the remaining goods not covered in the FTA.

  • YangachiBastardo

    jakgani: i was surprised myself to receive such a negative feedback from the locals, i suspect it has to do with the general malaise of young semi-skilled generations in today’s developed economies, aka being stuck generally speaking with third world wages (and no future, given their Mickey Mouse degrees) combined with an ignominious “first world” cost of living.

    What i call the “Better off as a young Thai engineer than a young NY journalist” paradox

  • YangachiBastardo

    Israel has the highest standard of living in the Middle East

    Does the Middle East include the GCC area ? In that case, not even close:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Qatar

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/shocking Jakgani

    Very high human development –

    Israel ranks #17

    Qatar ranks #37

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

    Fact

    When Israel captured the West Bank and Gaza Strip in 1967, officials took measures to improve the conditions that Palestinians had lived under during Jordan’s 19-year occupation of the West Bank, and Egypt’s occupation of Gaza.

    Universities were opened, Israeli agricultural innovations were shared, modern conveniences were introduced, and health care was significantly upgraded. More than 100,000 Palestinians were employed in Israel, and were paid the same wages as Israeli workers, which stimulated economic growth.

    The rise in violence during the 1990s, and then the war instigated by Palestinian terrorists beginning in 2000, has taken a heavy toll on the Palestinian economy. To protect its citizens from suicide bombers and other terrorists, Israel was forced to take measures that had a deleterious impact on the economy in the Palestinian Authority.

    The most serious step was to limit the number of Palestinian workers entering Israel to reduce the risk of terrorists pretending to be workers slipping into the country. This raised the level of unemployment, which, in turn, had a negative spillover effect on the rest of the Palestinian economy.

    Despite the collapse of the PA economy from the last five years of war, Palestinian Arabs are still better off than many of their neighbors. The most recent Human Development Report from the United Nations ranks the PA 102nd in terms of life expectancy, educational attainment and adjusted real income out of the 177 countries and territories in the world, placing it in the “medium human development” category along with most of the other Middle Eastern states (only the Gulf sheikdoms are ranked “high”).

    The PA is ranked just 12 places below Jordan and one behind Iran; it is rated ahead of Syria (#105), Algeria (#108), Egypt (#120), and Morocco (#125) (“Human Development Report 2004,” United Nations Development Programme, 2005).

  • YangachiBastardo

    And who gives a fuck about “Human development index” or anything the UN has to say ?

    Truth is Qatar and the other other GCC nations are rolling in dough with scores of professionals from countries like the UK and Germany literally trumpling over each other to win a job there.

    Money talks, human development index bullshit walks

  • YangachiBastardo

    I checked this HDI thing: it ranks Singapore behind Ireland and Spain, China behind Algeria, Tunisia, Dominican Republic etc etc. New Zealand in the top 10 and Slovenia ahead of Italy (HA HA HA HA HA), then I read the name of Amartya Sen somewhere and I realised I wasted 3 minutes of my life

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/shocking Jakgani

    Israel, the 100th smallest country, with less than 1/1000th of the world’s population, can lay claim to the following:

    Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.

    Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin – 109 per 10,000 people – as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.

    In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the largest number of startup companies than any other country in the world, except the US (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).

    Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right behind the US.

    Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.

    Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East. The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.

    With an aerial arsenal of over 250 F-16s, Israel has the largest fleet of the aircraft outside of the US.

    Israel’s $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.

    On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech start-ups.

    Twenty-four percent of Israel’s workforce holds university degrees – ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States and Holland – and 12 percent hold advanced degrees.

    Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.

    In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000 Ethiopian Jews at risk in Ethiopia to safety in Israel.

    When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969, she became the world’s second elected female leader in modern times.

    When the U. S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya was bombed in 1998, Israeli rescue teams were on the scene within a day – and saved three victims from the rubble.

    Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship – and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 – in the world.

    Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation on earth. Immigrants come in search of democracy, religious freedom, and economic opportunity.

    Israel was the first nation in the world to adopt the Kimberly process, an international standard that certifies diamonds as “conflict free.”

    According to industry officials, Israel designed the airline industry’s most impenetrable flight security. U. S. officials now look to Israel for advice on how to handle airborne security threats.

    In 1991, during the Gulf War, the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra played a concert wearing gas masks as scud missiles fired by Saddam Hussein fell on Tel Aviv.

    Israel has the world’s second highest per capita of new books.

    Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st century with a net gain in its number of trees, made more remarkable because this was achieved in an area considered mainly desert.

    Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.

    Medicine… Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized,no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.

    An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper

    administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in U. S. hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.

    Israel’s Givun imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the inside, the camera helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders.

    Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the heart’s mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.

    Technology… With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and start-ups, Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world (apart from the Silicon Valley).

    In response to serious water shortages, Israeli engineers and agriculturalists developed a revolutionary drip irrigation system to minimize the amount of water used to grow crops.

    Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita.

    Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the U. S., over 70 in Japan, and less than 60 in Germany. With over 25% of its work force employed in technical professions. Israel places first in this category as well.

    The cell phone was developed in Israel by Motorola, which has its largest development center in Israel.

    Most of the Windows NT operating system was developed by Microsoft-Israel.

    The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.

    Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.

    Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.

    The AOL Instant Messenger was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.

    A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device,produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrow-band blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct – all without damaging surroundings skin or tissue.

    An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant, in southern California’s Mojave desert.”

    All the above while engaged in regular wars with an implacable enemy that seeks its destruction, and an economy continuously under strain by having to spend more per capita on its own protection than any other country on earth.

    This from a country just 55 years young having started off life on a very frontiers-like basis, whose population had mostly just emerged from the devastating World War II years.

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/shocking Jakgani

    OK?

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/shocking Jakgani

    One of my Aunts was planning to go to Qatar to work as a nurse – LOTS of money etc

    I told her not to – because she would be treated as scum.

  • dokdoforever

    “Palestinian terrorists”?
    Jakgani – who is and who is not a terrorist depends on which side you support in this conflict.
    From the Palestinian perspective, the entire state of Israel is a terrorist intrusion. Palestinian Arabs controlled that region for the last two thousand years.
    The Jewish people clearly deserve a homeland, but it was unfair for it to be at the Palestinian’s expense. If there is to be justice, a piece of Germany should have been set aside for the new Israeli state.
    It’s too late for that now, but Palestinian territory should be respected – all of those illegal Israeli housing projects should be turned over to the Palestinians.

    This whole attack on Gaza is odd, considering that Israel is really fixated on Iran’s nuclear weapons program. It seems like a foolish strategy, since Israeli military action against Gaza will erode any international support for Israeli military action against Iran.

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/shocking Jakgani

    Palestinian Arabs controlled that region for the last two thousand years.
    The Jewish people clearly deserve a homeland, but it was unfair for it to be at the Palestinian’s expense.

    Not unfair at all.

    It’s true that it was Palestine territory for the last 2000 years.

    But, they took the land after the Israelites were forced out of the land by Nebuchadnezzar II in c. 586 BCE.

    Up until that time, the Israelites enjoyed political autonomy of that land from 1350 to 586 BCE, and encompassed the periods of the Judges, the United Monarchy, and the Divided Monarchy of the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, ending with the destruction of the First Temple.

    They also had control of that land again during the Hasmonean Kingdom spanning from 140 to 37 BCE.

    It was after that period of time, when the land was taken over by others, including Egypt, Syria, the Turks and the Jews had to live in diaspora.

    Why give them a piece of Germany? the Israelities are just taking their land back.

  • dokdoforever

    Well, then, by that logic, maybe we should give Korea to the Japanese. Scholars have pointed to the Baekche Kingdom and Gaya Federation as the origin of the Yamato Kings which established Japan. And that was less than 2,000 years ago.

  • YangachiBastardo

    Fantastic logic, maybe we should give Tuscay to Turkey as ancient Etrurians (according to DNA studies) came from Anatolia. Also Ireland can claim Northern Italy, together with much of Central Europe as it was settled by Celtic tribes around 2500 ago.

    We should give a good chunk of Eastern Europe around the Black Sea and the Volga river to Ahmadinejad as the first dwellers we know of around there were Scytians/Sarmatians, peoples who spoke Iranic languages

  • YangachiBastardo

    Now that i think about it Israel should sue my country because of that damn miscreant, Emperor Titus…

    Hilarity knows no boundaries

  • dokdoforever

    Why turn the clock back 2,000 years only in the Middle East? We could give the Americas back to the Native Americans, give Australia back to the aborigines, give Mongolia and Western China back to the Turks. We could give Yunnan province back to the Thai. Give Thailand back to the Khmer. Give Turkey back to the Greeks. Give the British aisles back to the Celts. Give the Indian subcontinent back to the Dravidians. If all the peoples who had lost their homelands in the last 2000 years were to get them back again, very few modern states would survive.

  • YangachiBastardo

    dokdoforever: not only that, to make it even more absurd it would be next to impossible to determine who are the real descendants of ancient civilisations.

    Are today’s Jews direct genetic descendants of the Palestinian Jews of 2000 years ago ? Scarcely.

    Are the Palestinians arabicised descendants of the ancient Jews ? Not really, the area was settled and resettled by Levantine merchants operating under Bizantyum, Arabs from the Gulf, European crusaders etc. etc.

    Citizens of modern Turkey are a turkicized pout pourri of different populations, not particularly genetically correlated with the Turkic people who started the Nomadic empires.

    Lots of Thai and Lao are Austronesians who ended up absorbing a Kadai language.

    Adopting a logic like that would be too stupid even for the likes of Luigi Cavalli Sforza, apparently Mr. Jakgani is not above that

  • dokdoforever

    As for why Israel should be in Germany: that’s where many Jews lived before WW2. And Germany killed 5.8 million Jews. There were about 70 million Germans prior to WW2. So, about 10% of Germany should be given up to create the state of Israel.

  • dokdoforever

    Right, 2,000 years ago seems like an arbitrary point in time anyway. Let’s go back 100,000 years ago. We should all go back to Africa. We can clone the neanderthall and give them back Asia and Europe.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    NO woman is worth risking your career, legacy and family for.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    ‘Well, then, by that logic, maybe we should give Korea to the Japanese. Scholars have pointed to the Baekche Kingdom and Gaya Federation as the origin of the Yamato Kings which established Japan. And that was less than 2,000 years ago.’

    you mean give japan to korea.

  • dokdoforever

    Actually no. As Jews were forced from their homeland, the Baekche were forced from Korea. Since the Baekche’s descendants now control Japan – they would ‘come home’ by taking back control of Korea.

  • Jashin Densetsu

    65

    uh no bro. Germany is the German Fatherland.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    “Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.”

    So Egypt didn’t just have elections and millions of people living under Apartheid rule is a liberal democracy?

  • yuna

    Wow! Two of my favourite Koreans in the same photo.

    Cho Kuk was interviewing Lee Hyori for Hani, looks like he’s admired her spirit.

    I would do a post on this, but there was not enough substance unfortunately, other than that they got on.

  • http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

    이효리 is awesome.

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    What an ass! Thanks, Hoju!

    Jeffery Hodges

    * * *

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/shocking Jakgani

    Obama supports Israel………….

    ………..But he reiterated the White House view that Hamas was responsible for the latest outburst of violence.

    “Just to be clear on the precipitating factor: these rockets had been fired into Israeli civilian areas and territory for some time now. So Israelis have endured far too much of a threat from these rocket for far too long, and that is what led the Israelis to take the action that they did in Gaza,” he said.

    He said the US wanted the same thing as Israelis: “an end to the rocket fire coming out of Gaza”.

  • bumfromkorea

    I have a really hard time feeling sorry for the Palestinians. Every time a Palestinian supporter/official come on the news to complain that Israel has killed a lot more Palestinians than vice versa in the currnet conflict (which is true), all I can think about is “Wait, which of the two sides is the asshole who keeps shooting *unguided* explosives indiscriminately towards civilian population centers?”

    If Hamas came into power through a coup or something, that would be a different story. But they democratically voted the Hamas in as their government.

  • YangachiBastardo

    I have a really hard time feeling sorry for the Palestinians

    I have a hard time feeling sorry for either…they both look insane, fanatical and hopelessly backward.

    Quite frankly at times i can’t help but wishing for the whole are to sink into the Mediterranean sea

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_and_Vienna_airport_attacks

  • slim

    If the poverty of thinking only in racial terms even needs pointing out, the eternal dumbness of pawi is exhibit A-Z. That fool ain’t smart enough to school anybody on anything — unless it is by being an example to avoid.

  • Benjamin Wagner

    “Lee Myung Bak, South Korea’s president’s new message to many high-school students is: Skip college and go to work.”
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-11/skip-college-is-top-advice-for-world-beating-south-koreans-jobs.html
    Did someone post on this?

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    LA Weekly asks if Koreatown is LA’s “hippest” neighborhood:

    http://www.laweekly.com/2012-11-15/news/koreatown-reality-show-K-Town-hippest-American-neighborhood/

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    you know, i forgot dokodforever is a korea basher. next!

    ‘all I can think about is “Wait, which of the two sides is the asshole who keeps shooting *unguided* explosives indiscriminately towards civilian population centers?”’

    yeah, and the israeli army blockades the entire civilian population. tell me, ya stupid punk, what would you recommend koreans do if japan blockaded korea? oh, and ‘rockets’ are different than 500 pound bombs, jerk. go look up what they mean by ‘rocket’.

    you still young in the mind, eh?

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/shocking Jakgani

    There is something so amiable in the prejudices of a young mind, that one is sorry to see them give way to the reception of more general opinions.

    It is inevitable that many ideas of the young mind will later have to give way to the hard realities of life.

    I have a jaundiced eye but a young mind.

    I like teaching and the contact with young minds keeps one on one’s toes.

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    and the israeli army blockades the entire civilian population

    They don’t; the Egyptian border is open, and the naval blockade only interdicts weapons shipments. But then, you don’t really care about the facts do you, racist?

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    ‘and the naval blockade only interdicts weapons shipments. But then, you don’t really care about the facts do you, racist?’

    yeah, they blockade cement. military, my ass!

    part of a linked report:

    ‘This is the situation Gaza has faced for years: a crippling economic blockade imposed by Israel. Under international pressure, Israel has relaxed the import restrictions, but even so such basic things as cement, gravel, and steel are prohibited from entering Gaza. The rationale is that these items are “dual use” and could be put to military ends. But this logic doesn’t explain the most devastating part of the blockade–the severe restrictions on Gaza’s exports.

    Gazans can’t export anything to anyone by sea or air, and there are extensive constraints on what they can export by land. They can’t even sell things to their fellow Palestinians in the West Bank…’

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/11/when-will-the-economic-blockade-of-gaza-end/265452/#

    ‘you don’t really care about the facts do you, racist?’

    well, i do.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    “Faraway,” by Gerry Bevers

    Sometimes I wanna go faraway,
    Not to crowded cities like LA.
    But to a place with a quiet, blue bay,
    palm trees, sand, and a shady cafe.

    Start my mornings with a fish filet,
    Coconut juice and a nice fruit tray.
    Discuss the politics of the day,
    Meet and greet and exchange hearsay.

    If a cute, young waitress comes my way,
    I’ll smile and order a fruit frappe.
    If she smiles back, winks, then says, “Ok,”
    I’ll wish I wasn’t so old and grey.

  • dogbertt

    Beautiful.

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    @85

    There are no substantiated facts in that Atlantic opinion fluffer.

    I do not see any reasonable objection to israeli interdiction of such dual use items such as cement and structural steel that can be used in the construction of rocket firing platforms.

    Ditto israeli refusal to permit the unfettered, or even an expensively regulated, trans-shipment network through its territory, with all the attendant security concerns, of trade between two parts of a state that maintains an aggressively belligerent stance to israel based on a rejection of israel’s right to exist.

    The latter isn’t a blockade in any event, and the former “blockade” does not in any event prevent the import and export of anything into either Gaza (through) Egypt or the West Bank (through Jordan). If that’s inconvenient and expensive, that’s an entirely justifiable price Palestinians will have to pay for the belligerence of their own rulers.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Earlier this month I reported that I had found that Korean “scholars” are mistranslating the sentence 就必有德 (취필유덕), which comes from Korean text 사자소학. Koreans translate the 就 as 나아가다, which means “to go forward” or “proceed to,” but the real meaning in the sentence is the same as the character 卽(즉), which means “namely,” “that is (to say),” or “so to speak.” In fact, 就 (취) and 卽 (즉) seem to be synomyms since 卽 also means 나아가다.

    I bring this up again because no one asked me for an explanation or offered to give me a medal for my discovery. Shouldn’t I receive some kind of award or pubic recognition from Korea’s Ministry of Education?

    A Certificate of Appreciation could possibly read as follows:

    In appreciation for his contributions to the understanding of Dokdo History and or our country’s hanmun culture, we present this Certificate of Appreciation to Gerry Bevers on this day, November 21, 2012.

    That sounds good, doesn’t it?

    Anyway, this is my translation of the relevant passage from the 사자소학:

    近墨者黑(근묵자흑)
    People (者) near (近) ink sticks (墨) become black (黑).

    近朱者赤(근주자적)
    People (者) near (近) cinnabar (朱) become red (赤).

    居必擇隣(거필택린)
    When one takes up residence (居), one must (必) select (擇) neighbors (隣).

    就必有德(취필유덕)
    That is (就) , they must (必) have (有) virtue (德).

  • Anonymous_Joe

    “I bring this up again because no one asked me for an explanation or offered to give me a medal for my discovery. Shouldn’t I receive some kind of award or pubic recognition….”

    attaboy

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    That’s a start, Joe. :)

  • Anonymous_Joe

    …just think: 19 more and you’ll be able to wipe out one of oh-so-many aw’shits.

    ********************
    (I’m glad you saw humor rather than derision in my post without my posting a smiley.)

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Anonymous_Joe wrote:

    (I’m glad you saw humor rather than derision in my post without my posting a smiley.)

    Humor? Derision? You mean it wasn’t sincere praise? The smiley represented by feeling of pride at being praised.

    You would probably appreciate my contribution more if you understood the language better. I am sure the Koreans on this forum, who have read my post, are still shocked and saying to themselves, “진짜 게리 똑똑하다.”

  • slim

    pawi and facts, never a comfortable combo. Barely acquainted and probably hostile, when you think about it.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    GB, I speak no Japanese, arigato, and little more Korean.

    Just from watching movie subtitles, though, I can tell that going from English to Korean (and I assume the other way around) is a difficult task. I disagree with so many subtitles, and my Korean is worse than my Greek. I wish Korean were Greek to me.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    ‘I do not see any reasonable objection to israeli interdiction of such dual use items such as cement and structural steel that can be used in the construction of rocket firing platforms.’

    well, i and many others do. can’t rebuild without cement and steel. have to rebuild when you got 500 pound bombs dropping on you. it’s israeli policy to send the palestinians back to the middle ages. collective punishment is against international law but we know such laws don’t apply to israel. as for your ‘fluffer’ comment, it wasn’t a research paper, a&&hole. how about you back up your fluff and show me that israel isn’t imposing a blockade. lastly, i didn’t write egypt imposed a blockade, guy. you’re trying to confuse the issue.

    ‘i have no problems with it.’ sperwer

    of course not, that’s in your people’s blood.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    就必有德

    actually, it means ‘then (they) must have virtue’.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Pawi wrote (#97):

    就必有德

    actually, it means ‘then (they) must have virtue’.

    Hi, little fishy.

    You cannot translate it as “then” because you need an “if” clause before it to set it up a “then” sentence. The “if” clause in the previous sentence was already used by “one must select neighbors.”

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    CORRECTION:: “You cannot translate it as “then” because you need an “if” clause before it to set it up.”

  • JK

    Once again, Bevers, based on the fact that you have been proven wrong in your previous translations, I think people here should view your findings with a huge grain of salt (if they even care).

  • YangachiBastardo

    http://www.corriere.it/tecnologia/12_novembre_20/sam-sung-dipendente-apple_345c06dc-3320-11e2-b51a-501fa6538944.shtml

    I don’t know if somebody already linked about this story: apparently there’s some Sam Sung dude who works in an Apple store

  • YangachiBastardo
  • dogbertt

    Korean Christians, of course, being some of the most strident defenders of Israel.

  • Jashin Densetsu

    Barack O’Fraudo – exposing how they stole the election http://www.barackofraudo.com/

  • Jashin Densetsu

    everyone ready to celebrate black thursday?

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    a wonderful piece in the smithsonian about a journalists experience in seoul over the years. very nice.

    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/Seoul-of-a-New-Machine-174966501.html?c=y&page=2&device=android

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    Hot English teacher in Korea alert!

    http://www.youtube.com/user/ChelseaSpeak3

    Southern belle!

  • Jashin Densetsu

    happy black thursday to everyone!

  • Jashin Densetsu

    official black thursday song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSBq8geuJk0

  • Jashin Densetsu

    Chemtrail Assault Amazing Time-lapse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6qGBcgFdnw

  • Anonymous_Joe

    Bro, explain to me the whole chemtrail conspiracy fact thing? What are they trying to do again?

  • Jashin Densetsu

    it’s not a conspiracy bro.

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    I heard the chemtrails are some kind of attitude-control drug, like Soma or something. Best thing to do is fill a spray bottle with vinegar, like this lady, and spray those chemtrails away, because vinegar sprayed at an altitude of four to seven feet over ground level can eradicate chemtrails at 35,000 feet. Plus, apparently, much of your lawn, to say nothing of your sanity.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I grew up in a communist country in Eastern Europe. I remember very well airplanes leaving trails in the sky. Did this “conspiracy” also take place in the communist block pre-1989?

  • Jashin Densetsu

    regular planes do leave trails bro. they’re called contrails. they’re different from chemtrails bro.

  • Jashin Densetsu

    Contrails vs. Chemtrails 101 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kcTvqiMNl8

  • Anonymous_Joe

    Do you think kids will start huffing these chemtrails, because, although it might hurt my libertarian street cred, I think we should keep it away from schools.

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    I grew up in a communist country in Eastern Europe. I remember very well airplanes leaving trails in the sky. Did this “conspiracy” also take place in the communist block pre-1989?

    I’m sure that’s where the proof of concept was done.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    why not educate yourself about what the israelis are doing to the palestinians?

    http://bostonglobe.com/opinion/2012/11/23/roy/sctFniw6Wn2n9nTdxZ91RJ/story.html

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    In my case, I guess because I approve. If a population is determined to make war upon Israel and committed to the eradication of the Jews and the Jewish state, then war they shall have, with all its attendant horrors and privations, until they are defeated and renounce war. The intervention of concerned states to “moderate” Israel’s defense efforts does Palestinians no favors, because it deprives of them of the comprehensive defeat which would encourage them to stop making war upon Israel.

    Palestinians should be pounded until their young men and boys are all dead or maimed, all their homes rubble, their old people, women and children starving in the streets. And I do mean starving. It should be made crystal clear to them how they brought such misery upon themselves, so that they might avoid it in the future.

    I’ll start caring about Palestinian children when their parents start caring enough to no longer try to make martyrs of them. War is hell, so to the Palestinians I say Stop demanding one.

  • ecw

    When have the Palestinians expressed that they are “committed to the eradication of the Jews”?

    The intervention of concerned states and parties has also served to protect Israel.

    Harming old people, women and children in Palestine would be terrorism by any reasonable standard. If that’s justified then certainly Palestinian terrorism against Israeli civilians would be justified.

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    Have a look at the Hamas Covenant of 1988, and visit the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) and have a look at what these people say to themselves, rather than relying on the Palestinians’ apologist stooges in the New York Times and Washington Post. And be especially skeptical of the BBC, Associated Press, and Reuters news services, which have been infiltrated by Palestinian agitprop specialists, and have been caught lying again and again and again.

    Again, if the Palestinians in Gaza elect Hamas as their government, and allow Hamas to make war upon Israel from their homes, then they have invited war upon themselves and deserve all the consequences of war.

  • yuna

    I reckon that Moon’s going to lose to Park.
    It will be all his fault.
    What mad follies!

  • http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

    Again, if the Palestinians in Gaza elect Hamas as their government, and allow Hamas to make war upon Israel from their homes, then they have invited war upon themselves and deserve all the consequences of war.

    I have little sympathy for the Palestinians, especially under a popular Hamas government, but the Israelis aren’t innocent either, and never have been. I’ll never begrudge anyone the right to fight for their home and homeland.

  • yuna

    Moon’s OWN fault. Nobody else’s. His own blind ambition. His crazy headlight eyes show this.

    No way Ahn would have lost to Park.

    Great! to squander such a great chance away.

    Korea deserves another Park for such ambitious crazy lefties.

  • http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

    I have a hard time feeling sorry for either…they both look insane, fanatical and hopelessly backward.

    Quite frankly at times i can’t help but wishing for the whole are to sink into the Mediterranean sea

    Completely agree with Yangachi – anyone who takes one side over the other in this particular conflict is demented. On one side you have a bunch of uncivilized fundamentalists who cannot be reasoned with, on the other you have a mob of inbred religious fanatics who think they are the chosen people who have the divine right to steal other people’s land. They deserve each other.

  • yuna

    BTW it’s not that I’ve turned into Paduk. I’m just responding to this
    Ahn withdraws. He is ABSOLUTELY right, they should not be talking about a method for merging. Not when it’s that close and that crucial. One of them has to step down. He did it, he was really trying hard to see if that was what the people wanted, trying to wait until the last moment. It was still not clear but Moon was willing to botch it all up saying he will never surrender.
    What a great character to be voting for.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    Yuna, I understand your grief, but all other things equal (because I don’t really know about their policy differences) I think that MJI is a stronger candidate and better for Korea than ACS. MJI has been tested and vetted, has been through a primary, and has political experience. A country’s presidency is no place for a politician to cut one’s teeth**.

    Besides I think that MJI will defeat PGH.

    ///////////////////
    **Yes, I know about Eisenhower, but ACS, Trump, Perot, Cain… are no Eisenhowers.

  • yuna

    Political experience is one of the most overrated things, like work experience.
    I think we wanted somebody without political experience if that’s the factor. After all Park’s political experience before she was a twinkle in her father’s eye.
    Politically ambitious lefties are the bain of modern politics. It’s unbecoming. They have the tendency to turn into Stalin’s and the Robespierres. Right wing dictators are expected.
    Ahn would have been something neither.
    Anyway let’s hope I am wrong and Moon is a nice guy, if he does become the next president.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    Yuna, my wife was crying while watching the press conderence until I told her, “I hope you cry like that when I die”

    I understand your disappointment. I don’t know how far left MJI is. My wife seems to think that he is a Korean business as usual (read: bribery and cronyism) mirror of 2MB. She said she hopes she’s wrong.

    I asked why she wept, and she said that she hoped for a break in the Korean style of politics and the difference was not necessarily in policy.

  • yuna

    Yes, I agree with your wife.

  • yuna

    Re: Moon, I had relatively good first impression on live TV when he accompanied Roh Muhyun to the minibus when he was summoned by the prosecutors (you know the yellow balloon day).
    However, his personality only came to light during the campaign -that of a normal power-hungry ajossi who likes the sound of his own voice.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    That subtlety is lost on me because my Korean is not so good as to take in the undertones of communication. I labor through newspapers let alone live interviews.

    …but my wife said the same thing.

  • yuna

    It’s not so subtle. Everybody knows (Moon included) that there’s no way in absolute hell that Moon supporters would not vote for Ahn because that’s how the lefties support works – to overthrow the right.
    However there is no doubt that a lot of tentative Ahn supporters would not like Moon + Minju combination and would withdraw into the mountain temples.
    Moon *knew* this, and he went perapera.

  • ecw

    Brendon Carr,

    I’m familiar with MEMRI. It’s run by Israelis. It certainly isn’t an impartial source.

    You’ve made a number of claims here.

    You said that the Palestinians expressed that they are “committed to the eradication of the Jews”? Are you saying that the Palestinians are committed to eradicating all the Jews in the world, in and out of Palestine? And do you deny that there are Israelis that hold fanatical, supremacist, genocidal, extremely hostile, etc. views towards gentiles?

    You’ve also said that the mainstream Western media has been “infiltrated” by people who are pro-Palestinian. Are you suggesting that the mainstream Western media doesn’t hold any pro-Israel views? Do you deny that there is any pro-Israeli influence affecting the mainstream Western media?

  • ecw

    Brendon Carr,

    Have you looked at what Israelis say to themselves, rather than what’s sanitized for consumption in the US?

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    Have you looked at what Israelis say to themselves, rather than what’s sanitized for consumption in the US?

    Yes.

  • ecw

    So you should be familiar with these sorts of attitudes then:

    “Yosef: Gentiles exist only to serve Jews ”

    http://www.jpost.com/LandedPages/PrintArticle.aspx?id=191782

    “According to Rabbi, the lives of non-Jews in Israel are safeguarded by divinity, to prevent losses to Jews.

    The sole purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews, according to Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, the head of Shas’s Council of Torah Sages and a senior Sephardi adjudicator.

    “Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel,” he said in his weekly Saturday night sermon on the laws regarding the actions non-Jews are permitted to perform on Shabbat.

    According to Yosef, the lives of non-Jews in Israel are safeguarded by divinity, to prevent losses to Jews.

    “In Israel, death has no dominion over them… With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money.

    This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew,” Yosef said.

    “Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat.

    That is why gentiles were created,” he added.

    Yosef’s Saturday night sermons have seen many controversial statements from the 90-year-old rabbi. In August, Yosef caused a diplomatic uproar when he wished a plague upon the Palestinian people and their leaders, a curse he retracted a few weeks later, when he blessed them along with all of Israel’s other peace-seeking neighbors.”

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    Use your noggin. Is crackpot, possibly-senile 90 year-old Rabbi Yosef shelling his neighbors? Does he lead the government of Israel? And do you think the Jerusalem Post is reporting his comments because they are mainstream and non-controversial, or perhaps because they are remarkably odd? I’m a libertarian, remember, and support the rights of people to hold objectionable beliefs so long as those beliefs do not translate into actions which harm others.

  • Sonagi

    On one side you have a bunch of uncivilized fundamentalists who cannot be reasoned with, on the other you have a mob of inbred religious fanatics who think they are the chosen people who have the divine right to steal other people’s land.

    I think you are confused about which side is inbred. Palestinians are descendants of locals who still frequently marry their cousins while Israelis trace their roots to nearly every continent. Cousin marriage is permissible in Judaism but no longer widely practiced.

  • ecw

    He’s a mainstream figure with political, cultural, and religious influence. He’s considered one of the most influential rabbis in Israel, and was even voted the 23rd-greatest Israeli of all time in a poll:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovadia_Yosef

    “Ovadia Yosef, born Abdullah Yosef[1] (Hebrew: עובדיה יוסף‎) (born September 23, 1920) is the former Sephardi Chief Rabbi of Israel,[2] a recognised Talmudic scholar and foremost halakhic authority.

    He currently serves as the spiritual leader of the Shas political party in the Israeli parliament. His halakhic responsa are highly regarded within Orthodox circles and are considered binding in many Mizrahi communities, among whom he is regarded as “the most important living halachic authority.”[3]”

    “In a 2004 article by Maariv,[15] Yosef was mentioned as one of the most influential rabbis in Israel.”

    “In 1970, Yosef was awarded the Israel Prize for Rabbinical literature.[45]

    In 2005, he was voted the 23rd-greatest Israeli of all time, in a poll by the Israeli news website Ynet to determine whom the general public considered the 200 Greatest Israelis.[46]“

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    Right. I understand that this old rabbi is highly respected and influential, especially within one segment of Israeli society, the ultra-Orthodox (many of whom are thought to be obnoxious and annoying by most of the rest of urban Israel). My question is: Do you believe the Jerusalem Post wrote that story because Rabbi Yosef’s comments were, in the opinion of the Jerusalem Post, (a) awesome, or (b) weird?

    How many rockets has the good rabbi launched into the Gaza Strip?

  • ecw

    The Jerusalem Post wrote the story because it covers Israeli news. Yosef is a prominent and mainstream figure in Israel.

    The real question is, why wasn’t this covered in The New York Times and other major American newspapers and media outlets?