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  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    I was in Napa Valley last weekend, and brought back a nice bottle of champagne for today. If you are in the D.C. area, find me around the White House with a vuvuzela.

  • jkitchstk

    Republicans suppressing the vote and turning away voters – Ohio and Florida have republican governors. Thank the republicans for 3rd world voting in America. If it’s close they’ll be counting until tomorrow or we won’t have a winner until Nov. 17th.

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    . . . around midnight. Until then, I will be hosting an election-watching party.

    Long live big government, high taxes and welfare programs!

  • Jashin Densetsu

    Entire planet supports Obama – except China http://news.uk.msn.com/us-elections-2012/entire-planet-supports-obama-except-china/

    “Barack Obama has overwhelming public support across the world, according to an MSN poll of more than half a million people – while his Republican rival Mitt Romney was only given the thumbs-up by China.

    In 34 of the 35 countries where MSN quizzed its online readers, the current US president won well over half of the votes.

    The only exception was China, where readers backed Romney by 52% to 48%.”

  • http://adamsawry.wordpress.com Adams-awry

    You should be afraid when foreign countries like your president. It means he’s thought of as easier to deal with. He’s less respected. Politics isn’t a fucking popularity contest.

    Oh, hold on… yeah, I guess it kind of is…

  • jkitchstk

    # 5,
    Foreign countries bought into what Myth Robme was saying, they don’t know he’s Myth Romnesia.

  • DLBarch

    I would love to participate in this thread, but I’m leaving work early to join some Black Panthers in intimidating a few local voters.

    I’ll let ya’ll know how it went.

    DLB

  • Jashin Densetsu

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/reports-of-voter-fraud-continue-to-hit-polling-stations-through-election-day-here-are-the-alleged-cases-well-update-all-day/

    “Early voting had its share of voter fraud accusations, and continuing into Election Day proper has been no different.

    Most of the stories thus far involve electronic voting machines changing votes for GOP candidate Mitt Romney to Democratic candidate Barack Obama. “

  • Creo69

    Will greed be enough to turn the White House over to the geriatric Ken & Barbie?

  • jkitchstk

    The machines are easily hackable, some are saying the U.S. needs to go back to write in voting like Canada(to stop the republicans from cheating). Obama needs Fairfax(predominately Asians) to win Virginia.

  • Jashin Densetsu

    romney looks younger than obama bro. barack and michelle look like a gay jazz musician and bigfoot.

  • jkitchstk

    Voters in predominately black suburbs are being forced to cast provisional ballots which are long and tedious.

  • jkitchstk

    Black suburbs in Ohio.

  • Jashin Densetsu

    sounds like bs.

  • CactusMcHarris

    I didn’t vote for Ms. Barr (who was on the ballot – how the heck did that happen), but I gladly voted to keep our sitting President sitting – he needs more time to fix the mess left for him in 2009 and I’m fine with that. Better than the alternative.

    And !Hey, it only took eleven posts for Mr. J-Dense Babatsu to bring up his bathhouse fantasies. Please, keep your obongo-flute-playing wished-for life private.

  • jkitchstk

    Romney’s wife looks snotty when she stands behind him on stage.

  • http://www.wm3.org/Updates iheartblueballs

    I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m staying in my basement with my MREs and bottled water until that vaunted PREFERENCE CASCADE that Brendon keeps warning us about has washed through the neighborhood.

    Once the tide of magic underwear has receeded, I may emerge from my panic room to witness just what a CASCADE OF PREFERENCE looks like, as it’s only been discussed around GOP campfires up to this point.

  • Jashin Densetsu

    #15

    the only one fantasizing here is you bro. admit it bro. the reason you like obama is because he looks like a gay jazz musician.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    Leading in Florida and Ohio but it’s very, very early. Still, if those two go Obama we may know in an hour or two.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    Oops, now not leading in Florida.

  • Creo69

    “romney looks younger than obama bro. barack and michelle look like a gay jazz musician and bigfoot.”

    Sure…As Korean men well know black shoe polish in your hair can take twenty to thirty years off. Hopefully, people have the sense to realize Mitt’s policies are about as genuine as hair color.

    Just curious, how do you feel about being personally in debt to a “gay jazz musician and bigfoot” for pulling your ass out of the 2nd worst economic crisis in the history of the United States? An economic crisis are last frat boy elect got us into.

    No matter who wins, everyone on this site (including those who aren’t American) owe a big “Thank You” to President Barack Obama and First Lady Michele Obama.

    Jashin …. instead of being a racist twat why don’t you man up to some responsibility for once in your boyhood and start to pay the President the respect you owe him right here and now on this blog.

  • Creo69

    Opps…”our last….”

  • Yu Bum Suk

    BTW, it looks like the Guardian has the fastest coverage: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/06/us-election-2012-results-live-blog

  • tapadamornin

    Korean opinions of the US election (via CNN’s Open Mic):
    http://goo.gl/4iVsS

  • Creo69

    “BTW, it looks like the Guardian has the fastest coverage: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/06/us-election-2012-results-live-blog

    Not….Fox News has faster results…Guardian is showing 64/40 while Fox is showing 78/82.

  • Jashin Densetsu

    21

    you’re delusional bro. obama is illegitimate and deserves absolutely no respect.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    Guessing seat numbers =/= speed.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    If Romney wins will he unseal Obama’s school records?

  • Jashin Densetsu

    ask this mother if obama deserves any respect:

    “Mother of State Dept. Official Killed in Benghazi: ‘I Believe Obama Murdered My Son’” http://www.theblaze.com/stories/mother-of-state-dept-official-killed-in-benghazi-i-believe-obama-murdered-my-son/

  • CactusMcHarris

    #18,

    In the spirit of bipartisanship (don’t get excited now), I agree and will freely admit that he does, indeed, but that’s because he appeals to same. He has to wear a robe of many colours. Your magic underwear dude won’t and doesn’t.

  • Jashin Densetsu

    28

    there are lots of mormons in the CIA and FBI. he could find out if he wanted to. i don’t know if he’d make it public though.

  • tapadamornin

    Well at least we all know why Obama wasn’t responding to the crisis in Benghazi. He was over there personally murdering his own staff.

    I’m so glad that is all cleared up now.

  • Creo69

    “you’re delusional bro. obama is illegitimate and deserves absolutely no respect.”

    Jashin… I didn’t actually expect you would have the brass to do the right thing. You have proven time and time again you are too much of a boy for that.

    You and many other Americans are easily led around by guys like Bush and Romney tugging at your ball sack and waving the promise of an SUV and a big house in your face. Sorry, you wasted your vote.

  • Creo69

    “there are lots of mormons in the CIA and FBI. he could find out if he wanted to. i don’t know if he’d make it public though.”

    Sorry to see you have moved on to crack. Good news the bottom is near for you …. very near.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Who hides their school records? I presume Obama, the scholar, had fantastic grades. And even if he didnt, even if he had grades like Bush Jr. no one would care. So why has he not revealed these records? What’s in them that he does not want us to see?

  • Yu Bum Suk

    Compared to Biden’s university records Obama has to look fantastic.

  • Creo69

    “Who hides their school records? I presume Obama, the scholar, had fantastic grades. And even if he didnt, even if he had grades like Bush Jr. no one would care. So why has he not revealed these records? What’s in them that he does not want us to see?”

    Maybe he wrote a book report which reveals what really happened on the “Grassy Knoll.” Bush did a very poor job of managing his image and let the world know proudly he used to be a drunk and an idiot. He was never able to kick half of that image. I guess Obama was smart enough realize even Bush had something of value to teach others.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    Less than a 200 vote spread in FL with 67% counted – it might be a long afternoon.

  • Creo69

    “Less than a 200 vote spread in FL with 67% counted – it might be a long afternoon.”

    Problems with electronic voting…problems with fax voting…people still in line when the polls are shutting down…

    Let’s hope an afternoon is all it takes.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    If Obama had Bush-like grades then we would have to wonder how he became the president of the Harvard Law Review. Would a D student rise to such a high rank? Most likely not, then he either a) had great grades or b) something dirty went down. I really don’t think grades are the issue, he seems scholarly enough to have at least had Bs, if not As. Theer is something there far worse than a 2.7 GPA.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    “Problems with electronic voting…problems with fax voting…people still in line when the polls are shutting down…”

    How can FL still look like a third-world country on voting day after 2000? In Canada we use simple paper ballots and usually have everything counted at each polling station within two hours if not one. I’ve volunteered as an invigilator and it’s a pretty straight-forward process.

  • Creo69

    “How can FL still look like a third-world country on voting day after 2000? In Canada we use simple paper ballots and usually have everything counted at each polling station within two hours if not one. I’ve volunteered as an invigilator and it’s a pretty straight-forward process.”

    Very simple. Priorities in America are still on the individual. It is not about building a country with a state of the art communications or transportation system it is still about everyone getting THEIR two SUV’s and a house that is four times the size they need.

    This is why Romney is doing as well as he is without even presenting a workable plan to restore the economy. He just has to make general promises of bringing back the good old days and people start to salivate and consider voting for him. America will continue to decline as long as this greed continues.

  • jkitchstk

    # 41,
    3rd world countries turn away voters(don’t let people vote) just like Florida.

  • Awarren

    Even if Romney take Florida it looks like Obama will get more overall electoral votes. Although it means nothing, I am already calling Obama the winner.

  • http://www.wm3.org/Updates iheartblueballs

    I must apologize to Brendon. The PREFERENCE CASCADE has in fact occurred.

    Unfortunately for him, it has occurred on Intrade, where the cascade brought Obama from 70% to 94% in the last hour.

    How could Brendon, Dick Morris, Unskewedpolls.com, George Will, Peggy Noonan, Michael Barone, Karl Rove, and a CASCADE of other deluded dupes all be so dramatically wrong?

    Oh right, because their prediction analysis method basically comes down to this: I hate X, therefore X will lose.

    It’s a MITT LANDSLIDE!!!!!!!!

  • Yu Bum Suk

    44, I’m about ready to call it, too, unless Ohio is reporting pro-Democratic polling stations at a much higher number. If the area around Miami is generally late in reporting it basically means Mitt is finished.

  • Creo69

    No smiles or smart ass comments over at Fox News … this speaks volumes as to how things are going.

    (http://live.foxnews.com/)

  • Awarren

    OK – that’s it. Obama wins and it is not even that close.

  • iMe

    “Long live big government, high taxes and welfare programs!”

    tk @3
    spoken like a true liberal.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    Creao, I just tuned into Faux News for the first time in years and they sure don’t look happy. Talk about playing the blame game. “I’m shocked, quite frankly!” They just can’t seem to get around the idea that Obama might be more appealing than Mormon Mitt to 1% more of the population.

  • Creo69

    “Long live big government, high taxes and welfare programs!”

    Yeh, because the Republicans (Bush or Romney) looting the country with small government, low taxes and poverty for everyone but their friends worked better for Americans.

  • Sonagi

    Akin and Mourdock defeated. Women’s bodies have a way of shutting down ignorance at the ballot box.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    The female Faux News presenter and reporters are sure a lot hotter than the BBC’s.

  • Creo69

    “Creao, I just tuned into Faux News for the first time in years and they sure don’t look happy. Talk about playing the blame game. “I’m shocked, quite frankly!” They just can’t seem to get around the idea that Obama might be more appealing than Mormon Mitt to 1% more of the population.

    The Fox analysts just made a very good point. Romney focused on blaming the President and didn’t really do a good job of presenting a concrete plan for what he was going to do. I personally don’t believe people are stupid enough to fall for empty promises without a plan to support them. Americans have felt too much pain to vote for “dreams & wishes.”

  • http://www.wm3.org/Updates iheartblueballs

    Favorite part of the 2102 Election #1:

    When someone says “Hey, that Republican who made the stupid, indefensible comment about rape lost his race,” you actually have to answer with “Which one?”

  • http://www.wm3.org/Updates iheartblueballs

    Favorite things about 2012 Election #2: The conservative war on statistics.

    Watching all the dumbfuck conservative pundits and media trying to go after Nate Silver and the supposed alien witchcraft he uses — which most of us just call math — was a classic in the genre. TV and media blowhards who get paid to give the audience what their “gut” tells them are scared like hell of a guy who actually uses available data instead of puffing hot air.

    A close relative are the “poll truthers” who look at polls and statistics as if they’re 16th century puritans discovering a coven of witches. Jobs numbers? Clearly manipulated. Global temperature records? Must be a hoax. Polls that don’t show a Romney blowout? Witchcraft!

    When they don’t like the reality of the numbers, it must be because the numbers are really unicorns created by evil dwarves. The level of self-delusion is truly amazing, particularly when you consider the vast numbers of GOP sheep who buy it.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Creo,

    wasnt “Dream and Wishes” the Obama slogan? Or was it “Hope and Change”? He sure didnt deliver any change nor is there much to hope for with him as president.

  • Creo69

    “Creo,

    wasnt “Dream and Wishes” the Obama slogan? Or was it “Hope and Change”? He sure didnt deliver any change nor is there much to hope for with him as president.”

    You mean besides pulling America out of the next Great Depression brought on by George Bush? Exactly what miracle did you expect? Have you been waiting for President Obama to pull up to your trailer home with a brand new SUV and a mortgage you can’t afford?

    Obama pulled the USA out of spiral of self destruction the Republicans and Bush had the USA on for eight years. Miracle accomplished! Be thankful if you have a job because you certainly wouldn’t have one if we had a Republican president continuing to loot the country for his friends for four years after Bush.

  • Creo69

    It still cracks me up…in one of the debates Romney attacked Obama for not getting the economy back to full strength in FOUR years. He then went on in the next sentence to explain how is plain would accomplish just that in EIGHT years. And, he said he would do it with a plan that non partisan economists said didn’t add up using basic math.

  • Creo69

    Damn Galaxy Tab just writes what it wants :(

    “explain how his plan would…”

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Obama did no such thing.

  • Jieun K

    Four more years it is.

  • Creo69

    “Obama did no such thing.”

    He must have done something people liked …because he has once again been elected as YOUR PRESIDENT.

    CONGRATS PRESIDENT OBAMA! Goodbye Mittons.

  • Creo69

    SalarymaninSeoul,

    The real question now is if people like you will waste four more years continuing to act like spoiled children refusing to work with the President. Considering what he accomplished in his first term though with the Republicans fighting him at every opportunity and sworn to making him a one term president.

    It really doesn’t matter what you or those people think or do. President Obama will get the job done either way.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Now its “he did something people liked.” Thats the fundamental problem with democracy, isn’t it. But there are things people like that they shouldn’t get.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    OBAMA WINS!

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I hope the GOP redoubles its efforts to block Obama at every initiative. The US cannot afford to have it any other way. You may call that wasting time, I would call that saving the country from a man who is dead set on spending without any brakes.

  • Creo69

    “But there are things people like that they shouldn’t get.”

    Well…the American people and the vast, vast, VAST majority of the world wanted President Obama and his policies to continue. If you don’t like democracy, there is always the option of China. You always have options. You just need the balls to stop talking and take the first step towards what you claim to believe in.

  • Creo69

    “I hope the GOP redoubles its efforts to block Obama at every initiative. The US cannot afford to have it any other way. You may call that wasting time, I would call that saving the country from a man who is dead set on spending without any brakes.”

    I am not surprised. It was the same sentiment that kept the country on a path of greed and self destruction for eight years when Bush was in office.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    The alternative to fat government, in my books, is not obese government. Try again. But you will see America moving towards the Chinese model with increased vigour now that Obama has the “flexibility” he wanted. Increased survaillence, increased State power, increased spending and deficits, increased selling the future generations into literal bondage to pay for the goodies people want today and increased government involvement in the economy – they call this state capitalism, though it is really fascism. No, I do not like Democracy because Democracy has degenerated into pigs-feeding-at-the-trough. The pigs voted today.

  • JK

    Happy because 1) Obama won and 2) Creo didn’t mention on this thread the issue of….

  • Creo69

    “The alternative to fat government, in my books, is not obese government. Try again. But you will see America moving towards the Chinese model with increased vigour now that Obama has the “flexibility” he wanted. Increased survaillence, increased State power, increased spending and deficits, increased selling the future generations into literal bondage to pay for the goodies people want today and increased government involvement in the economy – they call this state capitalism, though it is really fascism. No, I do not like Democracy because Democracy has degenerated into pigs-feeding-at-the-trough. The pigs voted today.”

    Or, maybe Americans are just not fking stupid. Do you really think anybody wants to go back to the “lean” govt led by Republicans where the rich prosper (for a while) and then everybody pays to pick up the mess 8 years later after they and their “lean govt” are done shitting all over the rest of us.

    That train has left the station my friend. Republicans need to start to work with the President to find a middle ground.

  • Creo69

    “Happy because 1) Obama won and 2) Creo didn’t mention on this thread the issue of….”

    Please… “Dokdo” and “Comfort Women” are the comfort foods of this blog that keep it afloat during the days when there is nothing else going on.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Oh please, do you think the REPUBLICANS represent lean government? They are as bad as the Democrats! Neither party represented any real altentative to the status quo: welfarism, inflation, deficit spending, war-mongering and pandering to special interests.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    I fail to see how anyone could call Bush’s government “lean”.

  • jkitchstk

    Where’s all the “ENTHUSIASM” now? With the super-pacs and the constant negative advertising in the 8 swing states it was stupid for the republicans to talk “ENTHUSIASM.”

    SuperPac king Sheldon Alderson is 0-6. Take that suckers!

    OMG, FEMA is going to spread “immorality” to Americans.

  • Creo69

    “Oh please, do you think the REPUBLICANS represent lean government? They are as bad as the Democrats! Neither party represented any real altentative to the status quo: welfarism, inflation, deficit spending, war-mongering and pandering to special interests.”

    Well…once you get this party (maybe you should consider calling it “The Miracle Party”) you dream of on the map let us all know. Until then the rest of us will continue on with reality and trying to get the job done.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    The Romney camp is so much more fun to watch than the Obama camp at this point.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    75, so do I. apparently Creo believes George Bush was a small government guy. You can’t really fix stupid so talking with Creo, and other Obama accolytes, really is a waste of time.

  • Creo69

    “I fail to see how anyone could call Bush’s government “lean”.”

    I fail to see how Republicans could consider it to be that either. But they sure do love to tell us how their party is always about small government when it really isn’t.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Creo, you still dont get it. I dont dream of any party or any government to “get the job done.” Governments do not get the job done. They make a mess of things.

  • Creo69

    “Neither party represented any real altentative to the status quo: welfarism, inflation, deficit spending, war-mongering and pandering to special interests.”

    I know…we can just get rid of all of them (along with world hunger) and then live in the little utopia you seem to live in your mind.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Creo, Republicans are just as stupid as your camp.

  • Creo69

    “Creo, you still dont get it. I dont dream of any party or any government to “get the job done.” Governments do not get the job done. They make a mess of things.”

    Trust me…I get it. Your plan is to get rid of government and we all just kinda graze together off the land. Freedom baby! F-R-E-E-D-O-M!

    “ring…ring …hello…this is reality calling…time to put out your joint before you burn your fingers.”

  • Yu Bum Suk

    They’ve called Ohio but now Obama’s down to less than a 2,000-vote lead.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    Oh well, Obama’s still got it even without Ohio, Virginia, and Florida.

  • http://www.wm3.org/Updates iheartblueballs

    Favorite things about 2012 Election #3: Peggy Noonan.

    This is a classic “Ignore all that polling witchcraft and just believe me because I FEEL IT” piece of utter bullshit that conservatives love to eat up. The tone is epitomized by this:

    Is it possible this whole thing is playing out before our eyes and we’re not really noticing because we’re too busy looking at data on paper instead of what’s in front of us? Maybe that’s the real distortion of the polls this year: They left us discounting the world around us.

    See what she does there? All you fucking eggheads are so busy studying data and polls and other unreliable bullshit that you totally forgot to just look around!

    And what does Peggy see when she looks around? You’ll be shocked:

    There is no denying the Republicans have the passion now, the enthusiasm. The Democrats do not. Independents are breaking for Romney. And there’s the thing about the yard signs. In Florida a few weeks ago I saw Romney signs, not Obama ones. From Ohio I hear the same. From tony Northwest Washington, D.C., I hear the same.

    Peggy Noonan sees yard signs. And hears stuff in Ohio. And therefore, all the fucking polls are wrong and Romney will win!

    Let me remind you that Peggy Noonan is paid millions of dollars a year to be a political “expert” for the Wall Street Journal and Fox News.

    Look at that expertise shine.

    Feel free to watch this clip for some further humiliation.

  • jkitchstk

    The republicans are going to riot in the streets and Myth Romnesia, Donald Trump, Sarah Palin, Grover Norquist, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Rick Perry, and Michele Bachmann will all condone the acts.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    Now Romney’s leading in Ohio, a state called what, an hour ago?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Creo,

    you seem to believe that what we have today is the only alternative. You also misrepresent my position, though I will attribute that rather to your generally pitiful level of intelligence than to a wilful twisting of my words. The plan is not to GET RID of government, it is to bring government back to the roles it was initially vested with: national defense, protection of person and property and the running of a system of courts.

  • Creo69

    “And what does Peggy see when she looks around? You’ll be shocked:”

    Peggy sees what all Republicans see when they look around… 1950.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    Now it’s looking like Romney will likely win Ohio after all.

  • Creo69

    “The plan is not to GET RID of government, it is to bring government back to the roles it was initially vested with: national defense, protection of person and property and the running of a system of courts.”

    National defense and the US system of courts? Yeh, each offers a sound return on investment. I think you need to pay a visit to whatever institute it was you “studied” at and gave you this idea you are so “intelligent.” You are clearly due an entitlement (refund).

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Well, it looks like we are going to have 4 more years of economic and military decay in America. I hope we survive.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    I forgot to add 4 more years of social decay in #94.

  • http://www.wm3.org/Updates iheartblueballs

    Favorite things about 2012 Election #4: Dick Morris

    “We’re going to win by a landslide. It will be the biggest surprise in recent American political history. It will rekindle a whole question as to why the media played this race as a nail-biter, where in fact I think that Romney is going to win by quite a bit. My own view is that Romney is going to carry 325 electoral votes.”

    Wrong about everything all the time. Dumb as a fucking rock. Still employed as a Fox News political EXPERT.

    E-X-P-E-R-T.

    Imagine if an NFL analyst predicted that the player who was eventually the #1 pick in the NFL Draft was a 15th rounder. Would he still have a job the next day? Only if he worked for Fox Sports.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Who is talking about investment on return? Newsflash, government never offers any return on investment (and besides, talking about investment and government in a single sentence is a stretch). The idea is to take as much money away from governemnt so as to minimize the waste and losses.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    According to the more cautious WaPo Mitt could still get 295 votes, though he’s projected to get only 206.

  • http://www.wm3.org/Updates iheartblueballs

    Now it’s looking like Romney will likely win Ohio after all.

    Romney’s not going to win Ohio. The overwhelming majority of remaining precincts to be counted are heavily Democratic. Not a chance in hell.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    Now the WaPo’s called it for Obama.

  • Creo69

    “The idea is to take as much money away from governemnt so as to minimize the waste and losses.”

    Then clearly having government play any role in national defense or the court systems would be highly inefficient. The private sector could do both much better at a fraction of the cost.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    99, 87% reporting and a 23,000 lead – those precincts will have to be very heavily Democrat. If the American networks were able to predict this state accurately when they did, their pollsters are certainly worth their salt.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Creo,

    it certainly could. In the case of courts, especially. See, that was not so hard to move from your extremely statist original position to a more rational one.

  • Creo69

    “it certainly could. In the case of courts, especially. See, that was not so hard to move from your extremely statist original position to a more rational one.”

    Yes…but had we moved on we never would have revealed what a hypocrite you are for supporting a (big) government that is far larger than needed. Proven by the little point you made about “to bring government back to the roles it was initially vested with: national defense, protection of person and property and the running of a system of courts.”

  • Creo69

    Maybe you want to squeeze a little health care in there for you mammy once you are done spending on “national defense, protection of person and property and the running of a system of courts.” That is if there is anything left after those major outlays. Of course, you can always raise taxes. You would need to do this every year anyway just to keep up with the cost of living.

  • jkitchstk

    The Dow Jones is up 133 points, as is the NASDAQ and S&P.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Even with those outlays the amount would be miniscule compared to what is being spent today, and what will continue to be spent now that Obama is in for another 4 years (at least). And do not confuse national defense spending with what we have today. A national armed forces with a mandate to protect the borders, and only that mandate, could be financed at nearly nil burden to the citizenry. is it hypocritical on my part not to take the argument to its logical conclusion, i.e. to zero government whatsoever? Not at all. Even a completely anarchic society would need to organize for itself some means of defense if surrounded by aggressive states.

  • CactusMcHarris

    You know what tonight’s also providing us, don’t you? Other than getting thirsty from no tears to drink, it also provides Uncle B with his on-the-road-to-Tarsus moment in the sun.

  • http://www.wm3.org/Updates iheartblueballs

    This is a gem. Bill O’Reilly just figured out that blacks and Hispanics aren’t voting for the people he likes. And he is fucking SCARED.

    This is basically “Whitey, wake the fuck up before these coloreds take over!”

    Much like the rest of the funeral procession on Fox tonight, fucking fantastic.

  • jkitchstk

    Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons’ 1975 hit “December, 1963 (Oh, What a Night)”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxhugRKZ8g

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #96 iheartblueballs:

    Wrong about everything all the time. Dumb as a fucking rock. Still employed as a Fox News political EXPERT.

    …Imagine if an NFL analyst predicted that the player who was eventually the #1 pick in the NFL Draft was a 15th rounder. Would he still have a job the next day? Only if he worked for Fox Sports.

    Anyone remember the recently passed, late Beano Cook, “Ron Pawlson will win two Heisman Trophies at Notre Dame.”

  • Creo69

    “Even with those outlays the amount would be miniscule compared to what is being spent today,”

    Military spending and the American court system? Minuscule? I guess coming from a “big government” mentality where an inefficient and wasteful government should be in charge of these things that may be your opinion but I hardly would consider these expenditures to be “minuscule.”

    Why do you feel you even need to control these from an fully operational stance in the first place Mr. Big Government. You already said that they could be operated much more efficiently by the private sector. Just because the government outsources these functions does not mean the government loses control. You big government guys are always afraid of losing control through privatization and end up wasting, wasting wasting. Costing the people untold sums of money on $100 dollar screws and bolts.

  • CactusMcHarris

    recently passed, late Beano’

    And I thought Beano was supposed to prevent such redundancies.

  • http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

    If anyone wants a good laugh, I urge you to scroll through the last Open Thread and read Brendon Carr’s comments. I’ll sum up the choicest quotes:

    Mitt Romney is going to win on Tuesday. He’s probably going to wipe out the electoral map…

    I’m in Hong Kong attending the International Bar Association’s Asia-Pacific M&A Conference, and the organizer did a fun poll of the attendees asking “Who will win the election on Tuesday?” Mind you, the question was not “Which one do you like?”

    That room full of goofs returned 90% saying Obama will win, 6% some joke candidate like Kinky Friedman, and the balance Mitt Romney. And then the moderator and room full of goofs — like 200 of ‘em — all sniggered about how the joke candidate is more likely to win than Mitt Romney. Just demented.

    A mistake has been made with regard to one Nate Silver, who has inexplicably been anointed a wise man by the usual pack of slavering liberals. Do not confuse respect with respectability. That guy’s a clown show, bro.

    Of course, owing to the Communist Kenyan Terrorist’s impending victory, we won’t get to witness The Riots.

    I’ll leave you all with my personal favourite:

    Your tears on Wednesday morning will be delicious, gents.

    Looking forward to Brendon’s post-election press statement.

  • Creo69

    SalarymaninSeoul,

    I think you have shown you are not against big government at all…you are all for it in fact. As long as the money is being wasted on what YOU believe is worthy of such waste: “national defense, protection of person and property and the running of a system of courts.”

    We could just learn how to get along with others and that would drastically reduce the need for just about every thing you seem to hold so near and dear to your big government heart.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    The good news is that Republicans will win both the House and Senate in two years, after Americans continue to see the country go downhill and hear more of the same excuses from Obama. By then moderate Obama supporters will have time to ask themselves, “What the hell were we thinking?”

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I do not at all believe national defense is a worthy cause. Not one bit. I don’t believe the nation is a worthy cause. I despise the wars, the imperialism, the involvement in foreign lands. I think its disgusting and would love to see it eliminated. But as much as I despise it, and as much as I would like to see an anarchic society, any such sociey would still need to organize some form of defense in a world dominated by aggressive nation states. How that is organized, that can be debated. I am not set on one way or another.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    This Obama victory has to ride on the fact that there has been a change in the electorate. When you look like states like Florida, it went blue probably because of the Hispanic vote and the vitriol from certain segments of the Republican party that alienated them. When you look at Ohio, you see women who have seen the complete asshatery by certain Republicans in expressing their sensitivity on woman’s health issues. The Democrats have successfully expanded the electorate. Good on them.

    Having said that… Chris Christie in 2016!!!!!

  • Creo69

    “The good news is that Republicans will win both the House and Senate in two years, after Americans continue to see the country go downhill and hear more of the same excuses from Obama. By then moderate Obama supporters will have time to ask themselves, “What the hell were we thinking?”

    Actually Gerry,

    The good news is that Republicans in the house and senate are going to see that working against Obama and trying to make him a one term president at the expense of the American people was a complete miscalculation, failure and utter act of childish stupidity.

    Some of them are going to come to the conclusion that if the American people didn’t want Mittons they sure as hell aren’t going to want to keep around people who get paid 100s of thousands of tax payer’s dollars but don’t produce and legislation that is of any value to the people.

    Some of the Republicans, as dumb as they are, will continue on the same course but others will realize they have mouths to feed at home just like the rest of us and out of a desire to keep their jobs they will actually start to do what they are paid to do.

    Not that it really matters much anyway, Obama and the Democrats pulled this country from its knees without any cooperation from the Republicans the last four years. With the American people behind them and the renewed energy they receive from this you will see much more of the same. Gerry…I know you are not a fan of Korea but have you ever considered China?

  • Creo69

    “I do not at all believe national defense is a worthy cause. Not one bit. I don’t believe the nation is a worthy cause. I despise the wars, the imperialism, the involvement in foreign lands. I think its disgusting and would love to see it eliminated. But as much as I despise it, and as much as I would like to see an anarchic society, any such sociey would still need to organize some form of defense in a world dominated by aggressive nation states. How that is organized, that can be debated. I am not set on one way or another.”

    Guess what professor…there are people who feel equally that a civilized society also needs to organize a basic system of health care for its people too. Instead of having them show up at the emergency room or die on the streets.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    That may be so, and they are wrong.

  • Creo69

    Gerry,

    I just got to thinking…maybe you haven’t heard yet. MITT ROMNEY LOST!

    Conservatives can spin it any way they want but it is what it is. If Obama is a failure, I will let you figure out what Romney is.

  • Creo69

    “That may be so, and they are wrong.”

    But of course you are right in your belief that we should spend billions upon billions for national defense when other countries get by on a fraction of the cost…simply by learning how to get along with their neighbors.

    You claim you are against war, but you would also invest in the war machine instead of investing in “alternatives” …. I think that is a word you like to use. Apparently, the only viable “alternatives” are yours.

    You support spending on things Republicans support. You have an arrogance that only your ideas are worthy like a Republican. Maybe you’re a Tea Bagger?

  • http://www.wm3.org/Updates iheartblueballs

    Pro tip for crying Republicans in disbelief tonight:

    When you’re looking for someone to blame for the second term of Barack Obama, feel free to look right in the fucking mirror. More specifically, go ahead and reflect on who you voted for in 2000 and 2004.

    The stench of George W Bush still lingers. And the American people still remember which party perpetrated that fucking stink on the country.

    Congratulations Bush voters. You not only elected Barack Obama to one term, but guaranteed a second.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I never said we should spend “billions.” I already told you: cut out the wars, cut out the hundreds and hundreds of bases around the world. What the hell is wrong with your reading comprehension? Defense of borders ONLY. Ways to fund it, that can be debated, but it woul pale in comparison with today’s military spending.

    I would cut out the billions from the war machine. I wouldnt “re-invest it” because I would collect it in the first place.

  • Creo69

    “Congratulations Bush voters. You not only elected Barack Obama to one term, but guaranteed a second.”

    I have to say I agree. Republicans made George Bush into an absolute pariah during this election but they STILL could not distance themselves far enough from the greed and pain this idiot represents.

    The suffering that Bush and the Republican party brought on America could not be forgotten in one term.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    And when I say borders I do not necessarily mean that there remains a United States as we know it today as a single massive UNITED entitiy.

  • Creo69

    “I never said we should spend “billions.” I already told you: cut out the wars, cut out the hundreds and hundreds of bases around the world. ”

    That is the problem with “Big Government” supporters like you. You never have a clue how much your plans will cost before you initiate them. You could bring every American home and only defend the borders and it would be a multi billion dollar defense plan. ONE DAY of the Iraq war cost 720 million. How much do you think it would cost to defend the US domestically for a week?

    You talk a big talk, but when it comes down to calculating numbers you clearly lack the “intelligence” you aspire to. Now, I am thinking you are Republican again. Mittons had a nice plan where the numbers didn’t make sense to a child either.

  • http://www.wm3.org/Updates iheartblueballs

    Bush won 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2004.
    McCain won 31% in 2008.
    Romney won 21% in 2012.

    I would tell my Republican friends to do the math, but we all know they’re allergic to it.

  • Creo69

    SalarymaninSeoul,

    With one soldier on guard costing the US $850,000 per year you really aren’t going to get much domestic security with your budget are you?

    http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/28/one-soldier-one-year-850000-and-rising/

  • Sr Noob

    I consider this a victory for basic math. The stats nerd (Nate Silver) was pretty much spot on. The people who believe in math and science won. We can only hope that the GOP in the House and Senate now believe it is in their interest to work with the President to make an America that functions, as opposed to feeding Fox News and/or Tea Party chimeric fantasies.

    But the big question — will Mr. Carr graciously admit to being wrong, or will he find petty, resentful reasons to whine about how unfair this is?

  • jkitchstk

    What a speech Obama just gave, wow, just wow! Sing it Bruce!!

  • jkitchstk

    # 129,
    Education won tonight, yes, including math and science.

  • jkitchstk

    ‘We Take Care of Our Own’ – Bruce Springsteen.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkEU3JjNARs

  • Wedge

    Cool: Four more years of racial division and vicitim-group politics; demonization of small business owners; welfare-to-work dismantlement; disappearing subsidies to “green” companies and other symptoms of crony capitalism; 24/7 printing of Bernanke benjamins; “flexibility” to deal with Putin; those in danger overseas being left to twist in the wind; Biden being a complete buffoon–an utter disgrace to the nation; the addition of millions of people to the dole; the strengthening of public sector unions and subsequent unaffordable pay raises and pension sweeteners; strengthening of the teacher’s union to the detriment of the education of our youth, especially inner city youth; the lock-in of Obamacare and the loss of quality doctors and diminishment of healthcare; job-destroying tax increases on the people who fund job creation; ad infinitum. I can’t wait.

    Just as Hoover and FDR increased the length of the Great Depression by seven years with their misguided policies, our divider-in-chief will do the same and claim the GOP left him in an unrecoverable posture. His motto: “The buck doesn’t stop here.”

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Obama may have won the presidency, but nothing has changed. The Democrats still have the Senate and the Republicans still have the House. The the country is still as evenly divided as it was before. Obama has no mandate, so there is no reason for Republicans to just cave in to him.

    If Obama does not want to be remembered as the worst president in US history, he will have to talk with and work with Republicans this time. If he doesn’t, then in two years the Republicans will win the Senate and have both the Senate and the House.

    Half of the country’s values and beliefs do not change just because Obama won. They are not going to suddenly say, “Obama won the election, so I guess he was right after all.” Things have to improve. If they don’t, Obama and his Party will be held to blame, not the Republicans.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    What does one soldier on guard in Switzerland cost, Creo? The math may turn out differently depending on how we actually go about the business of defending borders.

  • Creo69

    “If Obama does not want to be remembered as the worst president in US history…”

    That would be impossible. George Bush has that securely wrapped up.

    “Half of the country’s values and beliefs do not change just because Obama won. ”

    Obama got things done without that “half” of the country, in fact, in spite of them last term. It would be nice if they would learn how to work with the other half of the country to compromise and move the country forward. But, Obama has already proven even that is not necessary. Progress has been made and will continue to be made with or without these people. It just comes slower.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Creo,

    do morons like you graduate from school?

    “Keeping one American service member in Afghanistan costs between $850,000 and $1.4 million a year, depending on who you ask. But one matter is clear, that cost is going up”

    That 850,000 is the cost of keeping one soldier in Afghanistan. What part of “defending the borders” do you fail to understand?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I.e. keeping the soldiers in the United States? Of even better, disbanding a standing army, and moving more towards a Swiss model of an armed militia.

  • jkitchstk

    Mitch McConnell is already spewing hit shit.

    Colo. Passes Trailblazing Marijuana Bill
    “Denver was the first city to legalize small amounts of the drug in 2005. But on Tuesday, the entire state voted on the heated issue.”

    But a similar bill lost in Oregon.

  • Jashin Densetsu

    Win or lose, Obama was not and is not the president http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/win-or-lose-obama-was-not-and-is-not-the-president/

    “Win or lose, though, Mr Obama was not and is not the president. The Hawaiian long-form “birth certificate” he publicly endorsed and posted at the White House website last year as proof that he was born in the jurisdiction of the U.S. and is thus constitutionally eligible to be president is a forgery.

    I can prove it.

    I have been asked to prepare an affidavit in one of the 80 court cases U.S. citizens have filed in the hope of persuading someone – anyone – in office to lift a trembling, liver-spotted finger and do something about the forgery.

    The affidavit, which I shall be swearing today, is posted here, with the written permission of the plaintiff’s attorney.

    In very simple language, the affidavit explains how mathematicians apply probability theory to determine the probability that suspect documents are genuine.

    The diligent, unpaid heroes who have been investigating the dodgy document for more than a year on behalf of the people of Maricopa County, Ariz., have found a long list of irregularities in Mr. Obama’s identification documents.

    I have used the investigators’ list to draw up a schedule of probabilities – one for each individual irregularity. The probability that the “birth certificate” and other Obama identity documents are genuine is just 1 in 75 sextillion.”

  • Creo69

    “What does one soldier on guard in Switzerland cost, Creo? The math may turn out differently depending on how we actually go about the business of defending borders.”

    The fact that you think Switzerland is similar to the United States of America (or that the world places similar demands on either) says more about the potential success of you plan than any numbers I could produce.

    Instead of wasting your life fantasizing about policies that could never work in the United States, why don’t you consider going to live in a country where these policies are already working…or at least, where you “believe” they are working.

  • http://www.wm3.org/Updates iheartblueballs

    Favorite things about 2012 Election #5: Brendon Carr

    Much like Peggy Noonan and Dick Morris, our resident political expert was rendered sufficiently delusional with Obama Derangement Syndrome to think a Romney landslide was not only a possibility, but likely! If you were around for the 2008 version of this story, you’ll remember that Brendon also predicted John McCain was also going to win in a landslide over Barack Obama.

    There’s little reason to ridicule someone for making a wrong prediction (or two). But there certainly is reason to ridicule when those predictions are ridiculously fucking far out of the range of reasonable outcomes.

    Predicting even a narrow McCain win in 2008 was stupid. Predicting a McCain landslide was absolutely ludicrous. At no point during the entire campaign was there ever even a chance of that occurring.

    A Romney landslide in this election had only slightly better odds, hovering barely above zero. A narrow Romney win was only possible if he won almost every battleground state in which he was consistently behind in the polls. That probability of a narrow win hovered around 25-30% for most of the last few months, peaked at about 40% for about a week, and was about 8% on election day. A narrow Romney win was unlikely, never got to 50% at any time, and yet the village idiot was telling us that a Romney blowout was coming. THAT is worthy of ridicule.

    I’ll admit that I like to give BC shit regardless of circumstance, but I do have an honest question for ol’ Uncle B: What’s in it for you? I mean, apart from humiliation.

    Because there’s clearly something in it for the likes of Noonan and Morris….cold hard cash. They’re paid handsomely for embarrasing themselves with public stupidity because they’re essentially political operatives, and the dumbfuck sheep who listen to them love to be lied to and more importantly, are void of memory. In four years when Noonan and Morris are on Fox talking about the next GOP blowout win, the same dumbshits who ate it up this year will eat it up again.

    An operative’s job is to rally the troops, and quite often the job description involves saying things in public that they very well may not believe in private. Sometimes they’re calculated lies intended for an audience that demands they be lied to, and sometimes they’re just delusional bullshit born from far too much time inside the bubble. But regardless, their opinions net them cash from employers who have a vested interest in disseminating what is clearly bullshit. Their names and the bullshit they spew have value to those in the business of selling it.

    But Brendon is clearly not in that position, which begs the obvious question: Are you just really unbelievably stupid and unaware of things like…uh…polls? Or were you in fact aware that a Romney landslide was about a 1% possibility (and a McCain landslide about .01%), and yet you insist on making yourself look like an idiot anyway with retarded predictions for some other reason? Self-flagellation? Some kind of grand social experiment?

    I have my own suspicion: You are actually someone other than Brendon Carr (Spurned Navy lover? Pissed off English teacher?) posting under his name, and you’re attempting to make the real Brendon Carr look as laughably clueless and ignorant as is possible.

    And if that is the case….you’re doing a FANTASTIC job.

  • keith

    Obama won, I find that reassuring and the expressions on the faces of the repugnicums were most heartening;) If Rotten Romney had won the US was doomed, there might be some hope for the country yet. How anyone could even consider voting for Mitt is beyond me, the guy makes me feel psychically sick, and his campaign has been full of goofs and outright lies. I’m suprised so many Americans voted for the cretin. You could sum up the Romney campaign as one of ‘binders full of lies and negativity’. The only little respect he is owed from the campaign as that at least he was magnanimous in defeat his defeat. Credit it’s due.

    Obama hasn’t had a very good first term, hopefully he can get a bit more done in the second. It would help if the GOP party started behaving like adults for once and actually started working for the benefit of the citizens.

    Can’t wait to read Carr’s reaction to Obama’s victory ;)

  • Creo69

    “Win or lose, Obama was not and is not the president”

    Jashin Densetsu,

    If Obama has pulled off what you say he has, for two terms now, he is one hell of a smart man. I would suggest you might learn something from him.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    The world places demands? Are you kidding? The US is an expansionary empire because it wants to be. No, the US is not the same as Switzerland because it chooses not to be. But that does not mean that the status quo needs to be the only possibility. Whatever “demands” placed on the US are by the world, the US does not have to oblige and accept those demands.

    Yes, the $850,000 or whatever the cost per soldier ABROAD is is astronomical, and as I said, bring them all home, close down those bases. Disband the standing army, create an armed militia, and stick to doing what armies should be doing: defending the homeland.

    But to do as you did, to take the cost of a soldier in Afghanistan and to say that that is the cost of a soldier in the United States, that is about the dumbest things posted here, well worthy of George Bush II.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Keith,

    and Obama makes me physically sick. So does Mitt.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Creo wrote (#138):

    Obama got things done without that “half” of the country, in fact, in spite of them last term.

    He got “his things” (Obamacare) done only when Democrats had both the House and the Senate. After the Democrats lost the House in 2010, however, he hasn’t done anything. If Obama and the Democrats don’t work with Republicans, he still wont’ get anything done. That’s how divided government works.

  • jkitchstk

    # 136
    “If Obama does not want to be remembered as the worst president in US history, he will have to talk with and work with Republicans this time”

    He was already there, it’s the Grover Norquist Yes Republican Men who haven’t been and will be blamed if/when America does a Roh cliff. Mitch McConnell will be gone before our President Barack Obama.

  • jkitchstk

    I’d like to lock up all the republican house/senate members in a room and video tape them while they watch Obama’s re-election victory speech.

  • Creo69

    “But to do as you did, to take the cost of a soldier in Afghanistan and to say that that is the cost of a soldier in the United States, that is about the dumbest things posted here, well worthy of George Bush II.”

    Really? Why don’t you show us your plan for how you are going to get by with defending the borders of the USA for what you say it can be done for?

    So far your plan is …. “I never said we should spend “billions.” … In other words, you plan to spend under two billion per year to defend the borders of the USA. If you are not going to spend billion(s), then your plan must be under two billion.

    Now, here is your task. Present us with the numbers! You won’t because you can’t. You are talking about your little Utopian ideals that are not supported in any way shape or form by reality, again numbers, but supported by your personal wishes.

    I could say I would love to support my lifestyle for $20,000 but without any numbers to show how that works out…it means nothing.

    Your little wishes, dreams and fantasies are …. “the dumbest things posted here.”

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    The quick question is, I wouldnt spend even a penny on the defense of the United States. And I will leave it to you to guess how.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Sorry, that should read: “the quick answer”

  • Creo69

    “He got “his things” (Obamacare) done only when Democrats had both the House and the Senate. After the Democrats lost the House in 2010, however, he hasn’t done anything. If Obama and the Democrats don’t work with Republicans, he still wont’ get anything done. That’s how divided government works.”

    Jerry,

    Health care for all is nice but President Obama’s policies are what pulled this country out of a nose dive that had us on course (as the result of George Bush’s policies) for the 2nd Great Depression. And, it was done with the Republicans (openly) agreeing not to give him any assistance. As much as Republicans wanted to believe their little stalemate would ruing Obama and the country. They were proven wrong.

    With or without the Republicans, President Obama will continue to move the country forward to a full recovery.

  • Creo69

    “The quick question is, I wouldnt spend even a penny on the defense of the United States. And I will leave it to you to guess how.”

    Hmm….didn’t I say you wouldn’t tell us how you are going to defend the US borders for under 2 billion per year. God I am smart.

    Can we play skip rope after we play your little guessing game? You know, your guy Mitt almost got elected playing the same game of “I will tell you my plan after I get what I want.” Fortunately, the American people are not that fing stupid and neither am I.

    You have some wonderful fantasies. Too bad that is all they will ever be.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    The answer has already been provided. You’d know if you were able to read but your Afghanhistan error says you can’t. So, teaching on a fake diploma, are you?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    You have some fantasies yourself about Obama and how he’s leading you towards prosperity.

  • http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

    I have my own suspicion: You are actually someone other than Brendon Carr (Spurned Navy lover? Pissed off English teacher?) posting under his name, and you’re attempting to make the real Brendon Carr look as laughably clueless and ignorant as is possible.

    I’ve actually been ruminating on the same questions. I don’t think he’s a troll though – he’s so ardent in his beliefs that his wish-thinking has somehow poisoned his well of reason. I almost didn’t call him out on the stupid comments he made out of pity, but anyone who comes out and claims an improbable victory -

    1. by a landslide

    2. against all empirical evidence to the contrary

    3. before a ballot is even cast

    – and then gloats about dropping by afterwards to enjoy the suffering of all the demented people who actually thought Obama had a chance – deserves everything he gets.

    Of course, he’ll slink by soon to assure us he was just stirring the pot and how he’s done a mighty fine job of it. And then in a few months he’ll be slavering over some new dufus and brazenly predicting a whitewash victory in 2016.

  • Creo69

    “The answer has already been provided. You’d know if you were able to read but your Afghanhistan error says you can’t. So, teaching on a fake diploma, are you?”

    Where? Where is the answer to how you will protect the borders of the United States for under 2 billion per year? I am missing where you have presented your plan for doing this for every one here to look at it.

    I would like to end world hunger. If I can’t present a workable plan to do so (a childish riddle is not a plan) then it is really nothing but fantasy isn’t it.

    Again, where is your plan to support your belief that the United States can be defended for under 2 billion per year?

    If you cannot present it, why don’t you just act like an adult and say so. This is what an adult does. Even one who makes claims of being far more intelligent then he is proven to be.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Its there, trust me. Read #127.

  • Creo69

    “You have some fantasies yourself about Obama and how he’s leading you towards prosperity.”

    I don’t have any fantasies at all. The US economy is in a recovery. I don’t create these numbers.

  • untold

    The birther controversy is simply trying to get Obama dismissed on a technicality. Its been going on for years, everyone’s heard the accusations and he still won two terms.

  • Creo69

    “Its there, trust me. Read #127.”

    Wow…such mystery! Unfortunately, you haven’t presented one single number to support how the USA can be defended for 2 billion per year and it is obvious you won’t be so we can stop the childish games.

    Just some advice… the next time you try to base your superior intelligence on an argument you may want to pick one that you can more realistically support with some facts. Otherwise, you end up looking pretty stupid in a hurry as you have today.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Is it really a technicality? Either he is US-born, so no problem, or he isn’t. But then there is a problem and its more than a technicality. If he is not a US-born citizen (or even a citizen) then he does not meet the requirement for the presidency as set out in the Constitution. Now, I know the constitution is something to be ignored, or even violated and trampled upon by Obama and the liberals, but its not just a technicality. Obama could release his school records, but his refusal to do so adds some credibility to the birthers’s doubts.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Since you still fail to understand, I could defend the US borders on $0 because there would not be a US to be defended. The Constitution, which was the founding document of the Union has been so violated that it has ceased to have any real meaning, and as a result, the Union has no basis on which it can continue to stand. The individual states should take care of their own defense, but then it would not be the borders of the UNITED States that would need defending, but borders of the individual states.

  • Jieun K

    someone other than Brendon Carr

     

    I’ve actually been ruminating on the same questions.

    Actually, there’s no mystery.

    That’s how divided the American public is right now. Remember, 50% of the popular vote went to other candidates.

  • GeorgeSmiley

    Get the poison out, Salaryman.

    Have some more tea.

    …and sanctimony.

  • jkitchstk

    # 136
    “If Obama does not want to be remembered as the worst president in US history, he will have to talk with and work with Republicans this time”

    How quickly and easily you forget, I’m losing faith in your Dokdo arguments. I had faith but now I got to wonder?

    Republicans(OBSTRUCTIONISTS) that have set the filibuster record by twice the amount…
    http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/republicans-unprecedented-obstructionism-by-numbers

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    There is nothing wrong with obstructing Obama.
    But what is done is done.

    Elizabeth Warren won. She will run for president next election. And she could win. Now thats a scary thought.

  • untold

    Re. birther controversy. It is a technicality if it is used to nullify the result of two presidential elections when people were aware of the issue and voted for him anyway. If it had been proven convincingly (!) and in a timely fashion to prevent him running it might have worked. Worst case scenario now I suggest a trip to immigration, a health check and an extension of his P5 presidential visa.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Wouldnt’t that actually amount to a major crime if he ran for president and lied about his place of birth?

  • http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

    Actually, there’s no mystery.

    That’s how divided the American public is right now. Remember, 50% of the popular vote went to other candidates.

    You’re missing the point, Jieun. We’re not talking about who people want to win, we’re talking about the probability of victory. It doesn’t matter who you support, loudly proclaiming a landslide victory when every poll and mathematical prediction suggests otherwise is stupid and – most importantly – completely pointless.

    Surely you’d agree? What’s wrong with saying: It looks unlikely, but I hope Mitt wins? Too sensible? Not enough adverse risk of humiliation?

  • Creo69

    “Since you still fail to understand, I could defend the US borders on $0 because there would not be a US to be defended. The Constitution, which was the founding document of the Union has been so violated that it has ceased to have any real meaning, and as a result, the Union has no basis on which it can continue to stand. The individual states should take care of their own defense, but then it would not be the borders of the UNITED States that would need defending, but borders of the individual states.”

    Thank you for presenting you idea. Unfortunately for you, I am a proud American (exceptionally proud to be American today) who believes in the United States constitution and recognizes the wisdom contained in it and the fact that our strength has ALWAYS been in our unity.

    Actually, I missed the most important thing you said….”I don’t believe the nation is a worthy cause.” All I can say is I have no interest in your wack job tea bagger nonsense. You don’t believe in the UNITED States of America…China is waiting for people like you. Nothing is stopping you from leaving except your own lack of faith in your own beliefs.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    No, I do not believe in a United States of America as it is today. I do not believe in a Union run from Washington, in States enslaved to the bureaucrats, banksters and the politicians in DC. This is not what the Union was supposed to be, this is not what the Federal Goverment was supposed to be. The Constitution has been trampled, and it is no longer valid, and because it is no longer valid the Union is a sham. You cannot possibly be an Obama supporter and claim to believe in the constitution.

  • untold

    re. 172

    No idea. Did someone die? My point is that pursuing this issue in an attempt to overturn the election result seems like sour grapes. A second, minor point is that it (impeachment) is not going to happen.

    I’m not American (I can prove it, honest), and the fuss over who is and isn’t an legitimate citizen in a country of immigrants with an immigration policy that has seen major changes over a comparitively short period of time is a bit mistifying. Personally, I would be happy enough if an illegal female immigrant became the next president. And the contrast between the popular devotion to the lilly white purity of the constitution/the perfect system of checks and balances, and the way politics has been fought out in the US over the past 200 hundred years also looks rather strange to an outsider.

  • Creo69

    SalarymaninSeoul,

    I don’t need to believe in any man, woman or child to believe in the United States constitution…it will out live them all.

    I wouldn’t even send you to the Chinese. They may not respect their leaders but at least they love their country. I don’t know where someone who would say, ”I don’t believe the nation is a worthy cause.” even belongs. Certainly not in the United States of America though! Turn your passport in, you are a disgrace.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #142 Jashin Densetsu: “I have used the investigators’ list to draw up a schedule of probabilities – one for each individual irregularity. The probability that the “birth certificate” and other Obama identity documents are genuine is just 1 in 75 sextillion.”

    The outlandish 75 sextillion** number aside, the possibility that the issuer of that statement understands the meaning of probability is zero.

    (**75 sextillion is a number so preposterously large that it is over 15,000 times the number of seconds in the existence of the universe since the big bang, using the oldest credible estimate for the age of the universe since the big bang.)

  • Anonymous_Joe

    …Bro.

  • Jieun K

    Hoju dad:

    At the end of the day, I don’t think the statistics, a.k.a. fancy numbers game means much to ordinary people (except for math whizzes, perhaps). Ridiculous as Mr. Carr’s prediction may now seem, I think it proves that people like him just don’t buy the dominant political narrative in the media.

    Which point I tried to make in my previous “how divided the American public is right now” comment.

    P.S. Did you announce the news about a new addition to your family? I was away and now I’m curious! :-)

  • Jashin Densetsu

    that’s lord monckton bro. and he does understand probability. you can see his methodology here from a previous estimate: http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/the-probability-os-birth-certificate-is-genuine/

  • http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

    P.S. Did you announce the news about a new addition to your family? I was away and now I’m curious!

    I haven’t bored anyone with any more news about the little bub – that’s what facebook friends are for ;) I will say this: it’s a strange thing suddenly loving someone more than anything else in my life, ever. Amazing :)

  • judge judy

    But Brendon is clearly not in that position, which begs the obvious question: Are you just really unbelievably stupid and unaware of things like…uh…polls? Or were you in fact aware that a Romney landslide was about a 1% possibility (and a McCain landslide about .01%), and yet you insist on making yourself look like an idiot anyway with retarded predictions for some other reason? Self-flagellation? Some kind of grand social experiment?

    i’d go with occam’s razor this one: really unbelievably stupid .

  • Jieun K

    Hoju man: One more loving dad makes the world a little better! :-) Now, you didn’t pick Todd, Tucker or Kyle for the little guy’s name, did you?

  • http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com Brian D

    The better person for the country, and for the country’s position relative to the world, won.

    The Obama backlash that began almost right after he was elected the first time was like clockwork. The public expected the “Hope and Change” to fix everything for them in a short time, to undo years of indifference, laziness, and wreckless spending. People now say he hasn’t done enough to fix things. But what has the ordinary American done? There’s no such thing as sacrifice anymore, and if people truly felt like they were in this mess together they would have actually worked hard to get out of it. Instead, a lot of bleating about how nobody will give them a job, a belligerent ignorance both at home and abroad, and stupid talk about “hope of the Earth” and “greatest country in the world”.

    Unfortunately we have an unsophisticated electorate who will continue to support crazy, who love a war-mongering military (our biggest jobs program), and who will do whatever possible to ensure nothing is accomplished over the next four years. It might be time to start voting people out of the Union.

  • inkevitch

    Please don’t let it be Cooper or Jackson, these are not first names, In paeds surg clinic today the consultant called out for jackson and three parents stood up with their kids. I bet they thought they were real fucking original when they gave them those names. I swear some parents name their kids so it will look good as an addition on their sleeve tattoo.

    In other news Obama won. Seems a reasonable result. As has many times been pointed out B.carr seems to be a well reasoned, intelligent man, except when it comes to politics. Then he jumps head first into the pool pawi/bevers and the other nut cases that make this forum such a guilty pleasure.

  • inkevitch

    Congrats Hoju, you will never get sick of people telling you how good looking your kid is and how smart they are. I just hope you have better luck than me in repelling the in laws that feel having a grand child is an open invitation (long awaited trip to brisbane airport tomorrow morning to the departures level)

  • http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

    Now, you didn’t pick Todd, Tucker or Kyle for the little guy’s name, did you?

    Little girl’s name. And we called her Luka :)

    I was actually in favour of several Korean girl names, which I think are lovely – Sunni and Mi-jin (probably the wrong romanization) – but the wife knew girls by those names and didn’t like them :(

    No mini-Jieun’s on the horizon?

  • http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

    Congrats Hoju, you will never get sick of people telling you how good looking your kid is and how smart they are. I just hope you have better luck than me in repelling the in laws that feel having a grand child is an open invitation (long awaited trip to brisbane airport tomorrow morning to the departures level)

    My in-laws are on the other side of the pacific, but we’re planning on having them stay here for a few months next year. I get on well with them, but 3 months should test the love!

    I did read you boasting about your little one the other day and how much attention she gets – I guess our bub isn’t so special after all ;) I was going to mention to you that we had ours at Southport hospital 2 months ago. We still head up there to eat at the Korean restaurants occasionally, but these days we live down at Currumbin. Do you work up there?

  • inkevitch

    Pretty name, very slavic/italian. She is very lucky to have a dad with the photographic and editing talent to put that together.

  • Jieun K

    Hoju dad: Beautifully done! Thanks for sharing the joyful moment.

    No mini-Jieun’s on the horizon?

    In order for that to happen, a marriage vow will have to be preceded. Call me old-fashioned. LOL. Anyway, if/when it happens, I’d sure love to share the news! :-)

  • Jieun K

    to be preceded to precede

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    I’m still waiting for the Kinky Friedman write-in votes to be counted, and that we’ve heard nothing yet about those is a real scandal — and probably a conspiracy — but once Obama is proved an alien from Kenya and Romney an alien from Kolob, Friedman will step forth to accept the honor of being proclaimed POTUS, our first real Jewish cowboy president from Texas whose even written a novel and will therefore govern with novel ideas!

    Jeffery Hodges

    * * *

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/funny/page/3 Jakgani

    Exit polls showed that though only 39 per cent of people believed that the economy was improving, around half of Americans blamed former Republican president George W. Bush for the tenuous situation, and not Obama.

    that summs it up nicely.

    American people showed that they don’t trust the Republicans anymore.

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/funny/page/3 Jakgani

    On his second bid for the White House, Romney held nothing back – last week, a flip-flop; yesterday, a backtrack; today, a retreat; and tomorrow, a sidestep of what he had said last week or last year.

    That summs up Republicans nicely.

  • inkevitch

    Hoju,
    Mine is a son, but when you visit Korean you will know what I experienced. You may have met one of my friends a Korean/Canadian obstetric resident called Albert. A really cool guy and a master of his craft. You didn’t go to Tweed? My wife is dreading the six mum and bub rooms and she is looking at private even though most doctor and doctors wives give birth at southport. Yeah I am here for the long run, next year working all year at Robina.

    Good luck with the in-laws. I almost made it to three months and then had an altercation on Monday, so close just three days to go.

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    I just arrived back in Seoul after three days of meetings in Hong Kong. Are the election results in?

  • Jieun K

    Hoju dad: You might want to check this out. The top 10 most popular Korean names for baby girls as of 2009 are:

    1. 서연 (Seo·yeon)
    2. 민서 (Min·seo)
    3. 서현 (Seo·hyeon)
    4. 지우 (Ji·u)
    5. 서윤 (Seo·yun)
    6. 지민 (Ji·min)
    7. 수빈 (Su·bin)
    8. 하은 (Ha·eun)
    9. 예은 (Ye·eun)
    10. 윤서 (Yun·seo)

    Source: http://www.lawtimes.co.kr/LawNews/NEwsAccs/ArticlePrint.aspx?serial=50907

  • JK

    Congrats, Hoju! It’s great being a father, isn’t it?

  • slim

    Congratulations to Hoju and to his fellow communist, Barack. ;-)

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #197 Brendon Carr: “I just arrived back in Seoul after three days of meetings in Hong Kong. Are the election results in?”

    Reminds me of Peewee Herman in his first public appearance after the infamous got-caught-masturbating-in-public incident: Heard any good jokes lately? I suggest that you use your mod-like powers to create a thread devoted to your got-caught-masturbating-in-public incident so you can be done with it like Peewee (less the minute and a half standing ovation).

    The sharks have been circling, ol’ chum. Deal with ‘em now, or deal with ‘em in every thread you surf for the next four months.

    (BTW, your avatar pic looks a bit like Peewee+20 years)

  • judge judy

    i wonder where 수빈 ranks for baby boys.

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/funny/page/3 Jakgani

    7. 수빈 (Su·bin)

    Subin is so OLD

    can’t Koreans think up any new names?

    Do you think that Hoju (an Australian who lives in Australia) needs his baby named some weird Korean name when she is going to go through school in Australia?

    TOP Australian baby girl names:

    Chloe
    Sophie
    Ruby
    Charlotte
    Olivia
    Lily
    Ava
    Ella
    Emily
    Mia
    Sienna
    Amelia
    Isabella
    Lucy
    Zoe
    Grace
    Isabelle
    Maddison
    Emma

    I know Hoju doesn’t need this list – I am just giving it – because its more suitable than the lists that have been given.

  • slim

    I thought all Australian females were named Sheila.

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/funny/page/3 Jakgani

    Yeah, I just couldn’t imagine an Australian teacher (in class) saying:

    Hey, Ha·eun (하은)
    or
    Hey, Ye·eun (예은)

    like – she will have lots of friends….

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/funny/page/3 Jakgani

    Sheila (alternatively spelled Shelagh and Sheelagh) is a common given name for a female, derived from the Gaelic name Síle/Sìle, which is believed to be a Gaelic form of Cecilia. Like “Cecil” or “Cecilia”, the name means “blind”, from the Latin word caecus. There is also an etymologically-unrelated Indian name (alternatively spelled “Sheela”), which is rooted in the Sanskrit word शील (Sheela), meaning “character” or “good conduct” and is a common name across the country.

    I guess it’s not Australian after all…

  • slim
  • http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

    Thanks for the kind words :)

    Inkevitch, thank your lucky stars the tourist visa isn’t 6 months! We chose Southport because we lived there last year in the lead-up to the birth, a short walk to the hospital. Tweed would have been nice though, especially since I was hoping the lass would wear a sky-blue jersey at Origin time like her dad ;)

    Jieun, thanks for the list I might look it up again when the next kid pops out!

    Jakgani, she is born in Australia but her mum is Korean/Canadian. As far as names are concerned, I’m no stickler – as long as it sounds nice to my ears. I think many Korean girl names are beautiful. Not a fan of most Korean boy names though, if I’m honest.

    Slim, we considered Sheila, but the wife vetoed it :(

  • http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

    I just arrived back in Seoul after three days of meetings in Hong Kong. Are the election results in?

    You’re a good sport, I’ll give you that.

  • JK

    Hoju, you gonna practice the old-school Korean custom of shaving the baby’s head?

  • DLBarch

    Wow…210 comments and Robert himself resists the temptation to weigh in.

    Those are some mad self-restraint skills ya got there, mi compadre!

    DLB

  • dogbertt

    @creo69: glad to read you are such a proud American. Do you plan to actually live in America the next four years? If Obama is as good at job creation as you claim, surely you’ll be able to find one.

    @iheart: so true. Had Gore been elected, there would not have been an Obama administration.

    @wankon: Christie ’16!

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    Clinton/Warren 2016!

  • dogbertt

    @keef: as a stereotypical “FILTK”, why do you continuously lack the self-awareness to realize that your opinion matters nowhere in the world outside a single class full of ADHD-ridden Korean 9-year-olds?

    The only concern you need to have with U.S. polity is whether the U.S. military will let you tag along out of Korea should the North invade.

    #drunken chav

  • dogbertt

    Such an estrogen-laden nightmare ticket will never win. Clinton would allow nuclear war in the Middle East and Warren would ride the economy into the ground.

  • Railwaycharm

    We are done!

  • dokdoforever

    Too bad to all the chair throwers out there. Obama managed 330 electoral votes with nearly 8% unemployment. If you can’t win now you’re in trouble. And the Republican coalition of angry white guys is shrinking.

    Romney.. has there ever been a candidate so willing to reverse himself on nearly every issue in the naked pursuit of power? How would he ever manage to make a difficult decision? A guy like that would never have made the call on Bin Laden. Romney claimed in his concession speech that his “principles live on.” All of his principles? A guy with no principles claiming they live on. Good old Romney.. Late night television won’t be the same without you.

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    Such an estrogen-laden nightmare ticket will never win.

    That’s what they said about a black man with a strange name. With the current Republican party in place, my cat could win the presidency in 2016. Unless the GOP can cut off the racists and Tea Partiers within its rank, it will be a while before they win the presidency. (Congress, however, could be a different matter.)

  • CactusMcHarris

    I’ve been meaning to ask Gerry and Brendon, my naval compadres and ideological opposites, what jobs bill do they think the Republicans can introduce in 2013 – after all, hasn’t that party had four years to work on it? Maybe they need to modify it for the reelected President of the United States’ approval. Yes, that’s what they’re working on right now, because it’s a better choice to work for the country’s improvement that to blame each other for finding yet another candidate who has lost, Karl Rove, Rush and their swill-like ilk helping matters along.

  • CactusMcHarris

    ‘….than to blame…’

  • CactusMcHarris

    Hoju,

    Congrats again on Luka. Since she’s biracial, isn’t she going to get both kinds of names? Luka Sunshine Mijin Sooak (little jewel) isn’t too much to fit on the back of a rugger jersey, is it?

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Ok, Obama won. Now where do I apply for all the free stuff I’m supposed to get? For one, I’m out of condoms. I also need beer and a new large, flat screen TV for my son’s room.

    Also, when I was in Walmart this morning shopping for groceries, it looked like a scene out of “WALL E.” Half the shoppers there were 300-plus pound people driving around on scooters. Where do I get my free scooter? I’m an American, so where’s my stuff?

  • DLBarch

    Since this is, the last time I checked, still a Korea blog, I’ll throw into the mix that President Obama nabbed a whopping 73 percent of the Asian vote last night (which is, however, still only 3 percent of the population).

    Not sure how Korean-Americans voted, but I’m sure those figures will become available soon enough.

    DLB

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    I’ll throw into the mix that President Obama nabbed a whopping 73 percent of the Asian vote last night (which is, however, still only 3 percent of the population).

    Similar percentages with Latinos — which is exactly why the GOP has to drop its infantile, “deport them all” immigration policy to have a realistic shot at winning the presidency again.

    Or not. I am perfectly content with 20 more years of Democratic dominance. The government is still not big enough, and the taxes are still too low.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    DLBarch wrote (#222):

    Not sure how Korean-Americans voted, but I’m sure those figures will become available soon enough.

    I think they probably voted for Obama since all their Korean friends and relatives can now come to the United States to live, work, and get educated without worrying about being deported for overstaying their visas.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    The Korean wrote (#223):

    I am perfectly content with 20 more years of Democratic dominance.

    There is no Democratic dominance when 50% of the country voted Republican and when the Republicans control the House.

  • CactusMcHarris

    #221,

    I guessed you missed out, if that’s the term, going to WallyWorld when Bush the Younger was in his terms – it was the same.

    And the entitlement tirade is atypical of you. Usually, you’re a straight shooter, except when it comes to a few things. Hope the bitterness is just temporary.

  • CactusMcHarris

    #220,

    I had forgotten her Canadian heritage – well, it’s simple, then. Something like ‘Sweet Pea Tk’emlúps Tim Horton Donut’.

  • jk641

    The government is still not big enough, and the taxes are still too low.

    What a nutter.
    You want the US to turn into Europe, don’t you?

  • Creo69

    “@creo69: glad to read you are such a proud American. Do you plan to actually live in America the next four years? If Obama is as good at job creation as you claim, surely you’ll be able to find one.”

    I could go back to the USA and be working in sales again within a week. Why? Because some things never change. There are always sales jobs and most people don’t like getting doors slammed in their faces or phones hung up on them.

    Actually, I can tell you one sure indicator that the economy is recovering. I receive at least one or two emails a day now from employment sites with sales jobs (I am too lazy to take my resume out of their systems). Prior to about a year ago, I would only receive a couple of these emails in an entire week.

    That said, I live abroad because I enjoy it. I lived abroad during the Bush years and had to put up with the bad attitude against Americans that Bush created. I genuinely enjoyed being an expat during Obama’s first term and the change in attitude towards Americans that started almost from the day Obama took office. I only expect that attitude to continue to improve during the second term and I am going to continue to live abroad and enjoy it.

  • jk641

    Christie ’14!

  • DLBarch

    I dunno, Gerry…I’d say that President Obama’s popularity among even Korean conservatives stems in fact from his obvious rapport with 2MB, his passage of the KORUS FTA, his firm — and repeatedly demonstrated — commitment to Korean security, and his pretty much non-stop praise of Korean educational accomplishments.

    And for those of us who live and breath The Law, we all know that Harold Koh is on the short list for any future Supreme Court appointment.

    So, yeah, I’d say Koreans both in American and in Korea have plenty of reasons to like this president.

    DLB

  • Q

    I’d like to give partial credit to ‘Romney Style’ for this election. Considering British Royal family just joined in GS, I reckon psy could be counted as a figure that influenced international politics:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2228707/Zara-Phillips-goes-Gangnam-style-Royal-performs-rousing-rendition-cult-Korean-dance-Children-In-Need.html

    Anyway, where is psy now? Paris welcomed him at Eiffel Tower with huge crowd: http://youtu.be/TQcFBCovBnk

  • CactusMcHarris

    BDLB,

    Is he on the short list for the next appointment, do you think?

  • CactusMcHarris

    Q,

    Thank you – please make sure his arrival at Fukushima is reported with your same warm style of reporting all news Nippon.

  • DLBarch

    CMcH,

    Yup, but I doubt he’d make it through the Senate. Koh is, by all accounts, quite liberal. And just look what the GOP did to Goodwin Liu.

    But Koh’s also brilliant, so who knows.

    DLB

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    You want the US to turn into Europe, don’t you?

    No. Europe is too scared to fight and win just wars.

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    And for those of us who live and breath The Law, we all know that Harold Koh is on the short list for any future Supreme Court appointment.

    I think the next one out is Justice Ginsburg, which means the replacement will likely be a woman. In that case, it’s probably Diane Wood. Obama owes her.

  • jk641

    No. Europe is too scared to fight and win just wars.

    What? I was talking about the economy.
    But speaking of the military..
    500 Former Generals, Admirals Announce Support for Romney.
    And active duty, National Guard, and military reserve members support Romney over Obama by a two to one margin.

  • DLBarch

    Yes, absolutely, Woods would be on any short list for the Supreme Court.

    But I’d bet dollars to donuts it would be Merrick Garland, of the D.C. Court of Appeals. We all know how that Court has become the junior varsity feeder to the Supreme Court.

    DLB

  • slim

    Further to DLB and TheKorean:

    ASIAN AMERICAN VOTERS BREAK FOR OBAMA
    Asian Americans Largely Ignored by Both Parties, Voted for Obama by Huge Margin

    Washington, DC—Asian Americans voted for President Barack Obama in enormous numbers this election, according to the Asian American Election Eve Poll, a joint project of the National Coalition for Asian Pacific American Community Development (National CAPACD) and Asian American Legal Defense and Education Fund (AALDEF). While only 41% identify as Democrats, Asian American voters broke for Barack Obama by a huge margin, with 72% voting for the President and 26% for Mitt Romney. In Congressional races, 73% of Asian American voters backed Democratic candidates, while 27% backed Republicans.

    National CAPACD found that an incredible 51% of Asian American voters were not asked by any campaign, political party or community organization to vote or to register to vote.

    “Mitt Romney had room to win the overlooked Asian American community,” said Lisa Hasegawa, Executive Director of the National CAPACD. “While Barack Obama’s narrative attracted Asian American voters, Mitt Romney missed an enormous opportunity to offer a direct appeal to this group.”

    “Community organizations’ efforts are especially critical in getting Asian Americans to the polls when traditional party vehicles ignore this demographic,” said Hasegawa. “National CAPACD supported 25 groups in 14 states over the election season to help educate Asian American and Pacific Islander voters and get them to the polls on Election Day.”

    The Asian American Election Eve Poll surveyed 800 Asian Americans over the pre-election weekend.

    “Asian Americans lost 54% of their wealth between 2005 and 2009, mostly due to the foreclosure crisis,” said Hasegawa. “Therefore, it is no surprise that Asian American voters name the economy as their number one issue of concern or that they believe that government has a responsibility to help low-income households.”

    Asian American voters also overwhelmingly named the economy as their top priority, and supported an expansion of the federal government’s program to help low-income people pay rent.

    Asian American voters are not fully decided on how to reduce the deficit. 26% of Asian American voters favor increasingly taxes on the wealthy in order to reduce the deficit, while 45% would like to combine these tax hikes with spending cuts — but a strong 71% do not think spending cuts alone will solve the budget deficit. In California, 73% of Asian Americans voted in favor of Proposition 30, a temporary tax on the wealthy to help fund education and public safety.

    Asian Americans likely sided with Barack Obama in part due to his healthcare platform — 60% responded that the government should ensure access to health insurance. Yet while jobs, housing and healthcare were critical issues for Asian American voters, they were also drawn to Barack Obama over Mitt Romney for a less tangible reason — while 47% felt the President “truly cares about them,” only 14% said Mitt Romney did.

    “The results of the poll show that Asian Americans remain a persuadable voting bloc that has yet to be fully engaged by either party” said Congresswoman Judy Chu, Chair for the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus. “As we shift from the election to finishing our business in this lame duck session, this poll gives policymakers a better understanding of how Asian Americans view policy priorities for our communities – from addressing the housing crisis to passing comprehensive immigration reform.”

    “Asian Americans were hit hard during the recession — and this poll shows that they are focused on finding solutions to the economic downturn,” said Congressman Mike Honda, Chair Emeritus for the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus. “This poll provides critical information about what’s important for Asian Americans and should be used as a resource for elected officials as they develop policies that will have an impact in our communities.”

    The detailed findings of this in-depth research will be released today, November 7 at 12 PM PST/3 PM EST during a webinar. To register, go to: https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/127010519. The results will also be available here at http://www.nationalcapacd.org.

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    I was talking about the economy.

    Still no. I want U.S. to be much, much, much stronger in economy than Europe.

    I do want U.S. to have Northern European-style social welfare, and the tax rate to pay for it.

    But I’d bet dollars to donuts it would be Merrick Garland, of the D.C. Court of Appeals. We all know how that Court has become the junior varsity feeder to the Supreme Court.

    Indeed another solid prediction. Alternatively, I am also hoping for someone in his/her 40s.

  • Q

    CMcH,

    Thank you for the witty advice. I wish you and your family in good health and have wonderful thanksgiving and Christmas. I’d like to give you regards in advance minding I might forget to say that.

  • dogbertt

    @thekorean: I woul prefer the U.S. have Korean income tax rates and Korean-style social programs.

    I would like the U.S. to be able to have high-speed rail and other infrastructure goodies that Korea seems to be able to afford yet we, with our high taxes, cannot.

  • slim

    I’d kill for a good soondubu-jigae or tolsot bibimbap in DC, so I don’t have to drive out to Annandale. Modest dreams, I know.

  • jk641

    I do want U.S. to have Northern European-style social welfare, and the tax rate to pay for it.

    It won’t work.
    Northern European countries have small, racially homogenous populations.
    I have serious doubts that Scandinavian Socialism will work in a such a diverse nation as the US.
    Scandinavian Socialism is about “collectivism” and “equality”.
    How could it work in the most diverse nation in the world??

  • CactusMcHarris

    #242,

    Thank you – as an AmeriCanuckistani, I enjoy two Thanksgivings, and the second one gives me a four-day holiday, two of which are paid. I extend the same to you and yours, too.

    And I appreciate sungma reporting everywhere, too, so please don’t think there’s nothing we share in common. I think the tour will really break out when he gets to Burkina-Faso.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    “I do want U.S. to have Northern European-style social welfare, and the tax rate to pay for it.”

    Where do I start with this? I’ll just keep it simple.

    1) That’s easy to say if you are not going to be in the most heavily taxed brackets.

    2) The real source of Scandinavian social welfare is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_oil. As you may notice, we don’t have that much oil any more. At least we are not allowed to drill for it, that is.

    More evidence: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Norwar_Exports_Tree_Map_(2009).pdf&page=1 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sweden_Export_Treemap.png and

    Even the Germans, those teutonic masters of efficiency, are looking to reduce their system: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/06/world/europe/merkels-coalition-settles-on-programs-to-bolster-popularity.html

    IMHO, unless you have an immense resource base, you cannot have an unsustainable welfare state, even with “the tax base to support it” because no reasonable society would agree to that kind of unfair redistribution of wealth.

  • DLBarch

    Um, that NY Times story on Germany actually chronicles Chancellor Merkel’s EXPANSION of social services, to wit:

    “The measures include scrapping an unpopular quarterly medical fee, increasing spending to improve transportation infrastructure and introducing a bitterly disputed child care subsidy. Over all, they are expected to cost $3.9 billion a year.”

    In contrast, I suspect a lot of my progressive friends would LOVE to have a social system built on the German model.

    DLB

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    1) That’s easy to say if you are not going to be in the most heavily taxed brackets.

    I have never been outside of the top bracket in my entire working life, and I do not expect that to change until I retire.

    As you may notice, we don’t have that much oil any more. At least we are not allowed to drill for it, that is.

    1. I have no objection to drill more domestic oil.
    2. Oil or not, the fact remains that U.S. is vastly wealthier than any of the Scandinavian countries. The money is there. It is about the decision on how to spend it.

    Even the Germans, those teutonic masters of efficiency, are looking to reduce their system

    Functionally equivalent statement: “The starving children of Sub-Saharan Africa do not need any more food, because Americans, who have all the food in the world, are still trying to eat less.”

    If U.S. social services were anywhere close to the German ones, I would not be taking my current position.

    you cannot have an unsustainable welfare state, even with “the tax base to support it” because no reasonable society would agree to that kind of unfair redistribution of wealth.

    I really don’t think Republicans are in a position to discuss any “reasonable society,” when they continue to reject common sense policies that are already in place with nearly every industrialized nation in the world, e.g. universal healthcare.

  • DLBarch

    Hey, Jon Tester won re-election! What a nice surprise! That dude has the best haircut in Washington!

    Calling H.R. Haldeman!

    DLB

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    Why is the Kinky Friedman vote scandal being ignored?

    Since any voter with good sense either checked Friedman’s good name or wrote it in and since my fellow Americans are all voters with good sense, then Friedman must have won by a landslide!

    Kinky was the only candidate who’d truly protect free speech!

    Remember his campaign slogan:

    “I always say, you can pick your nose, and you can pick your friends, but you can’t wipe your friends on your saddle, so you’re stuck with ‘em.”

    That says everything!

    Jeffery Hodges

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  • Sonagi

    Also, when I was in Walmart this morning shopping for groceries, it looked like a scene out of “WALL E.” Half the shoppers there were 300-plus pound people driving around on scooters. Where do I get my free scooter? I’m an American, so where’s my stuff?

    I’ll bet most of the white scooter riders voted for Romney because they don’t think they’re part of the 47% who would get their Medicaid, SSID, food stamps, and other benefits cut by.a Republican-dominated Congress and a pliant Republican president with enough digits to hold a pen. Low SES whites hate the Marxist-socialist president but love socialism by any other name.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    Two lessons for Republicans in 2012 election:

    1) Don’t piss off women.
    2) Don’t piss off Latinos.

    It’s pretty simple GOP. There are plenty of conservative Hispanics and women, but if you say silly and ignorant things to piss off those important elements of the electorate, even conservative members of those two groups will not vote for you.

  • http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    Wow…210 comments and Robert himself resists the temptation to weigh in.

    Those are some mad self-restraint skills ya got there, mi compadre!

    I was going to ask somebody to remind me again how my comment section is a cesspool of right-wing Republicanism.

  • hamel

    Robert, your comment section is a cesspool of right-wing Republicanism.

    There, you’re welcome.

    (It really is.)

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    I consider myself a radical left-wing conservative reactionary independent solipsist trying to build a political party, except none others like me seem to exist . . .

    Where are all the other solipsists?

    Jeffery Hodges

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  • http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

    Cactus,

    The little’un has a Korean middle name – her mother’s family name, An :)

    Wangkon,

    I think I’ve mentioned this before: Finland has almost no natural resources to speak of, yet has a very strong social system. It can be done. Having said that, I agree with you that the US is a completely different demographic , and I think it would be disastrous to try to introduce a social system like the EU there. Keep the one you’ve got.

    On health, I’m in complete agreement with theKorean. EU / Canadian / Australian hybrid public/private health systems are the way to go. They deliver better health services to more people at a much more affordable price – not just to the individual, but also to industry.

  • http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

    Hamel,

    Actually, it’s pretty balanced IMHO. I’ve said it before: in the days of thumb-ups and thumb-downs, you could pretty accurately gauge the political leanings of the Hole’s commentariat by the response to flagrantly partisan remarks. They mostly ended up at the zero sum. I remember one snipe at Obama ending up the -30 and +30, something like that.

    Of course, the conservatives will complain about liberal bias and the liberals will complain about conservative bias, and the sun will rise in the east and set in the west.

  • Q

    I do not like both of the candidates but hoped for Romney in this election for the less worse. I assume aging of US population has led to more dependence on social well-fair system, which is fit to the demographic distribution of rapidly aging European society. Obama seems to have played smart in appealing to the demographic trend. America, not young any more…

    http://www.prb.org/Publications/PopulationBulletins/2011/americas-aging-population.aspx

  • Anonymous_Joe

    Q, your guess about the aging American population might be true, but I don’t think that is the real problem.

    The problem is that the Republican Party has so disaffected so many with their antagonistic, nanny conservatism and right-wingnut jobs. Birtherism, a sky God that dictates not only private behavior but also public policy, a stubborn and inviolable ideology that they cling to except when it’s inconvenient to their positions….

    I know this to the point of certainty because of my in-depth, full access case study of one.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #257 jefferyhodges: “Where are all the other solipsists?”

    We stopped thinking about you.

  • αβγδε

    Brendon Carr is no enigma, folks. Frankly, two words suffice to describe his politics posts. Intellectual dishonesty. I’d also add the fact that he’s a stereotypical lawyer, so that means he’s delusional and believes his words can move and convince everybody, as if by peddling bullshit he’d be smart enough to sell it to anyone. That’s Carr. But no one’s buying a thing. Quite the contrary, and this has been the case here at this blog for years now.

    Anyway, I’m so glad ‘the suit’ didn’t win. How anyone can run their campaign and spread lies, for instance, about Jeep and the car industry and then double down on that even after having been thoroughly debunked by every source that matters, is the epitome of political, not to mention moral, dishonesty — and this, dishonesty, is what Republicans have in spades and buckets.

    And what a difference from 4 years ago — considering the circus that was Palin and that self-righteous curmudgeon that is McCain. Yet, they’re not that much worse from the other clowns that Republicans has endorsed the past 2 years – Newt Gingrich, for one.

    Congratulations to Obama. I like em. He’s too much of a compromiser, reaching out to the Repubs’ too often. But he’s on the “right” side of History, I think.

  • Sonagi

    I assume aging of US population has led to more dependence on social well-fair system, which is fit to the demographic distribution of rapidly aging European society. Obama seems to have played smart in appealing to the demographic trend. America, not young any more…

    Your assumption is wrong. A quick glance at voter demographic charts shows that support for Obama erodes as one moves from the 18-24 age group to senior citizens. Romney and Ryan tried a divide-and-conquer strategy by reassuring voters aged 55 and up that their Social Security and Medicare benefits would remain intact while younger working slobs would continue to pay the same FICA taxes those benefits and all they’d get in return would be crummy vouchers that R&R wouldn’t need since they’re vested in government retirement benefit plans. The demographic time bomb isn’t age but ethnicity, particularly Latinos and Asians, who have little interest in foreign wars or illegal hatemongering.

  • dogbertt

    Anyone who looks at Scandinavia and wonders why that won’t work in the U.S. (beyond the obvious demographic dissimilarities) should note that no Scandinavian nation carries the crushing budget burden of killing Muslims and otherwise “keeping the peace” in the Middle East.

  • JK

    Get out the razors, Hoju! Otherwise the little princess WILL blame you late for it. Shave her head!

  • Todd M

    The ‘republican v. democrat’ argument has (d)evolved greatly since Reagan. Actually, Obama is probably, in many ways, more right of Reagan thanks to the extremists in the Republican party dragging the conversation so greatly to the right. So really, are there two ‘true to their ideology’ parties – republican and democrats – or two oligarchies, each doing the biding of the ruling elites, but to differing degrees.

    If Obama were truly a democatic president he would demonstrate his mettle by:

    1. taking on Wall Street, i.e. reinstating Glass-Steagle (‘democratic’ Bill Clinton’s doing) and a promoting a non-Goldman Treasury Secretary
    2. reducing corporate welfare to Big Pharma, the military-industrial complex, and other corporate welfare queens
    3. promoting pro-worker policies that, while recognizing the complexities of today’s global economic environment, give American workers a more equitable slice of the economic pie
    4. implementing more environmently friendly policies
    5. instituting a one payer health care system (Note:TB is making a come back in parts of America and, unfortunately, the bacteria cannot distinguish between lungs with healh insurance and ones without)
    6. disentangling itself from the middle east and other international ‘hot spots’ to the status of observer, but observer with a big stick if needed
    7. investing in nation-building at home (check America’s Crumbling Infrastructure)
    8. limiting the political input of ‘globalists’ with American passports when their input is not of net benefit to America
    9. closing Gitmo
    10. stopping non-judicial drone strikes
    (short on time = short wish list, but you get the picture)

    A true democartic president like FDR would recognize the benefits to society of rightful and just bargaining power which result from pro-worker policies, which, unfortunately, have been subsequently chipped away at by most if not all presidents, be they republican or democratic. A true democratic president would recognize that all people deserve a voice, no matter their economic status. A true democratic president would recognize the destructive potential when money meets power and would seek to limit it.

    IMO, what America needs for a well functioning democracy, not the plutocracy it is now, are a truly democratic party who represent liberal thinkers and labour, and a truly republican party who represent conservative thinkers (ideally fiscal conservatives, not spendthrifts labelling themselves as such).

    Romney demonstrated himself to be an extremist alienating republican, like the other clowns put forward in the Republican nomination race. (Thanks Carl Rove!) I hope a new republican leader with moderate conservative values that allow for cooperation and negotiation and with fiscal conservative values comes forward. Perhaps someone like Obama! And to oppose him, I hope a truly democratic leader steps up. My hope is Elizabeth Warren. But for now, this ‘republican v. democrat’ argument seems strange. Then again, I’m Canadian, so what’s a socialist’s opinion worth?

  • Ex-Ex-Pat

    Obama and the Democrats “visionary” policy toward Latinos is simple: Any Mexican or Central that can set foot on American soil is immediately entitled to food stamps, welfare, medicaid, higher educations grants, affirmative action and can never ever be deported. Democrats do this because they know that these individuals will always vote Democrat.

    It is a winning strategy. But extremely cynical and dishonest. Like Obama’s campaign. Eventually the cookie jar will run dry. See Spain.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Last month I helped check my uncle into a verteran’s home. My uncle had worked as a police detective for 12 years before going to work at ATF, where he worked for 16 years before having to retire because of a knee injury. He has since received a very modest pension from ATF.

    Anyway, the home is relatively expensive, and we were talking with the administrator trying to figure out what my uncle needed to do to cover the cost. Even though he is in his 70s, my uncle does not receive any Social Security or Medicare benefits. A Social Security benefit would help pay for a room at the home.

    The administrator was a nice-looking, slim 32-year-old woman who looked like she could beat me up in a fight. During the discussion, the woman mentioned that she was receiving Social Security disability benefits, so she could not understand why my uncle was not receiving any benefits.

    When this slim, healthy-looking, 32-year-old woman said she was receiving Social Security disability benefits, my first thought was “how can she be receiving disability benefits and still be working?” My second thought was “What or where is her disability?”

    She could walk, she could run, she could fill out inch-high stacks of mind-numbing forms in a single bound. What could possibly be her disability?

    I didn’t have the guts to ask her, but it bothered me that this highly salaried administrator, with a very nice office, was receiving disability benefits while my disabled uncle was not receiving any benefits and his pention was not enough to cover the price of a shared room in a home named after my aunt’s brother-in-law, Charles H. Roan, who posthumously received the Medal of Honor in 1945.

    I don’t know if this woman was taking advantage of the system or not, but I could see no reason for her to be receiving disability benefits. Anyway, it still bothers me.

    By the way, I went to the Social Security Office and asked about my uncle. You have to pay Social Security and Medicare taxes for forty quarters (10 years) to receive Social Security and Medicare benefits. My uncle had only paid thirty-nine quarters worth of taxes, which included the time he was in the military and other odd jobs.

    Apparently, the Amarillo Police Department at the time did not pay into Social Security and Medicare, and I assume the ATF, at the time, did not either. Or maybe my uncle opted out? I don’t know, and unfortunately, my uncle cannot remember.

    I wonder how many employable people in the United States are receiving Social Security Disability checks.

  • Q

    Deal with financial Montezuma’s Revenge for the lost Mexican land.

  • http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    Todd M: Just out of curiosity, could you expand a bit on these “‘globalists’ with American passports when their input is not of net benefit to America.” Who are these people to whom you refer?

  • Sonagi

    Some states do not enroll their employees in Social Security and Medicare, and therefore do not deduct FICA taxes. Civil service employees, teachers, and police officers like your uncle who spend part of their working years in a job that deducts FICA and one that doesn’t are screwed over in retirement because they get little or nothing in benefits. At least that woman was productively working and not rolling around in a crib while wearing diapers like this guy:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2051012/Adult-baby-Stanley-Thornton-Jr-cleared-fraud-STILL-getting-disability-benefits.html

  • CactusMcHarris

    But for now, this ‘republican v. democrat’ argument seems strange. Then again, I’m Canadian, so what’s a socialist’s opinion worth?

    Todd, I’m ‘merkin living in La Belle BC and even I’ve heard of the Tories and the NDP (I like Thomas Mulcair’s charisma and gentle embonpoint – he’s got what Stephen Harper doesn’t).

  • CactusMcHarris

    #274 – My comment is awaiting moderation. May I interest you, folks, while we wait, in an effort to bring back the lost letters of Hungminjongum?

  • dogbertt

    I believe Obama deported more people in 4 years than Bush did in 8.

    Don’t let facts get in your way, though.

  • http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

    Get out the razors, Hoju! Otherwise the little princess WILL blame you late for it. Shave her head!

    Good grief, why??

  • Ex-Ex-Pat

    First off, the U.S. deports so few of its illegals that your point is silly and beneath debate. Bush deported about 2.5% a year, while Obama was at 3.1%. Many of these deportations are simply paroled felons who get dumped on INS by the criminal justice system. Obama had no active enforcement scheme.

    And, wait, Obama was able to achieve its “record” by cooking the books to count illegals caught crossing the border as deportations, something the Bush and Clinton administrations did not do.

    Instead, Obama ran clinics in Mexico City to teach illegals how to apply for food stamps.

    Q, it is not revenge. Its the Dems buying votes. The only problem is that buying votes gets you to Spain and Greece.

  • Ex-Ex-Pat

    Social Security disability is a national disgrace. For its first decade it was managed well and only the truly disabled as well as widows and orphans had access.

    In the 80s trial lawyers and other corrupt community fixers got congress to rewrite the criteria to include a host of questionable grounds and to permit partial disability. Unfortunately Republicans were complicit in these changes. See 1000 points of light.

    Now for every 10 Americans who are dumb enough to get up and go to work every day, there is one sitting home on the federal teat because he or she is disabled. And more and more are added to the roles every day. Day time T.V. in America is sponsored by social security ambulance chasers who get nice fees for recruiting new malingerers.

    Did you know that you could sit home and eat and drink yourself into type 2 diabetes which then qualifies you for a government check. American literally pays its citizens to eat themselves to death. Alcoholism and drug addiction qualify you too. So does depression.

    Run an MRI over any adult past 40 and you will find something that qualifies –a herniated disc, partial rotator cuff tear. All you need is a shady doctor with a degree from the Ukraine to sign off and the checks arrive.

    Gerry, the nurse probably had a partial disability and was able to get paid for being disabled while collecting a paycheck for her job.

    And when Republicans like Paul Ryan point to the insanity, they are branded as cold Malthusian elites.

    Countries that don’t live in the real world, don’t survive. Obama’s America, while triumphant at the present moment, has a very sobering date with reality. Which he will blame on Republicans.

  • JK

    Supposedly stronger hair that lasts a lifetime, Hoju.

  • Creo69

    Wee whoooo! Welcome to day 2 of “Obama Nation”

    The all encompassing anger that possesses Sarah Palin, Newt and the rest of the Tea Bagger freak set seems to be making them age in real time before my eyes.

    Thank President Obama for this priceless gift!

    I would suggest that the conservatives try to find someone a bit more palatable to present to the American people in four years but the fact of the matter is that the conservative movement has been so overrun with these self centered, out of touch with reality, arrogant freaks and there is really no one to present. Let the good times rollllll baby!

  • Benjamin Wagner

    @ 256 ditto what the previous caller said. (pun intended).

  • dogbertt

    As shown in this thread, ignorant “Tea Party” blather, unsupported by facts, logic, intelligence, or common sense, is what has done in the Republican Party.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Creo69 wrote (#280):

    I would suggest that the conservatives try to find someone a bit more palatable to present to the American people in four years,…

    After four more years of Obama, I suspect that even people like Sandra Fluke will be ready to eat a Republican maggot sandwich rather than another Democratic BS burger.

  • Creo69

    Dogbert,

    What did in the Republicans is the fact that they continue to believe an old white man shouting “money for all!” is going to deliver the White House to them.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Creo69 wrote (#284):

    What did in the Republicans is the fact that they continue to believe an old white man shouting “money for all!” is going to deliver the White House to them.

    You are confused, Creo. It was a black man shouting that, or, at least, a half-black man.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    As opposed to what, a skinny big-eared black man shouting “goodies for everyone!”?

  • Todd M

    Yes, Robert. Many of us are globalists these days and we may even seek political input in our home countries. If so, our input should result in ‘net benefit’ to our respective countries to be considered worthy. Unfortunately, some globalist seek political input to benefit themselves personally and not the country. Consider that a significant part of the American elite are rent-seeking globalists in search of the greatest ROI, often outside America, who can hide income in tax havens. Sometimes their political input is to distort tax laws in their favour. For example, see Bush’s previous 2004 tax holiday on offshore profits. Was this tax holiday a ‘net benefit’ to America? Much research suggests that it wasn’t, and this lost tax revenue contributed to the national debt.
    I appreciate the term ‘net benefit’ can be ambiguous but necessary to decide on when establishing policy. In addition to tax laws, I often wonder whether other American foreign policies are for the ‘net benefit’ of America, or for a few specific individuals. Are America’s wars a ‘net benefit’ to Americans or to a few corporations and their shareholders?
    Determining ‘net benefit’ to a country will become increasingly important as individuals become more global and less national, particularly individuals with the financial and political power to affect change for personal benefit.

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    Jeffery Hodges (#257): “Where are all the other solipsists?”

    Anonymous Joe (#262): “We stopped thinking about you.”

    That explains why I haven’t felt like myself lately. Cogito ergo sum must be flawed — or maybe I just need to think harder!

    Be that as it may, all other solipsists are invited to join my Radical Egalitarian And Left-wing Conservative Reactionary Independent Solipsist Party, officially acronymed as REAL CRISP!

    We support Kinky Friedman, the true winner of this year’s presidential election!

    Jeffery Hodges

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  • Creo69

    Gerry…Gerry…Gerry…

    Mitt picked one issue and only one to define his run for office…the economy (money). And, in the end, he failed at that! He held his game plan for the economy right until the end somehow foolishly believing he would never be made to present it and only after being pressured did he release it. Then, we all quickly learned it didn’t add up using basic math. Pretty much game over right there when your one issue is a flop.

    Again, the conservatives are living in the past in simpler times (good for their simple minds) where everything and everyone was about money. Times have changed….the conservatives have just aged.

  • Creo69

    “As opposed to what, a skinny big-eared black man shouting “goodies for everyone!”?”

    People like you are one of the primary reasons Obama got re-elected. Because too many Americans (I am not sure I should even refer you as “American” however) still have not come to terms with the issue that the color of a person’s skin does not play a part in anyone’s accomplishments or lack of.

    The racism of the “one term” movement led by conservatives didn’t get them what they wanted…but it got them what they needed. They now have a second opportunity to correct their behavior.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Creo69 wrote (#289):

    Mitt picked one issue and only one to define his run for office…the economy (money)…. Then, we all quickly learned it didn’t add up using basic math.

    That’s problem. You need to know more than Basic Math to understand Business and the Economy. You also need to know Algebra, Calculus, and Statistics; at least, that is what I had to study to get my MBA.

  • Creo69

    “bigfoot” “big eared-black man” “half blackman”

    All from posters right here on the sweet old Hole…simple minds indeed.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Wow, and who was it who brought up skin color first?

    “What did in the Republicans is the fact that they continue to believe an old white man shouting “money for all!” is going to deliver the White House to them.”

    Youre a great example of an Obama voter, hypocritical to the max.

  • Creo69

    “That’s problem. You need to know more than Basic Math to understand Business and the Economy. You also need to know Algebra, Calculus, and Statistics; at least, that is what I had to study to get my MBA.”

    An MBA? Wow Gerry! Guess what professor. The non partisan economists that studied Mitt’s plan and said it could never work all have an MBA feather up their arse too. You are nothing special, Dear.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Creo wrote (#290):

    People like you are one of the primary reasons Obama got re-elected. Because too many Americans (I am not sure I should even refer you as “American” however) still have not come to terms with the issue that the color of a person’s skin does not play a part in anyone’s accomplishments or lack of.

    You hypocrite. You just wrote the following in Comment #284:

    What did in the Republicans is the fact that they continue to believe an old white man shouting “money for all!” is going to deliver the White House to them.

  • Creo69

    “What did in the Republicans is the fact that they continue to believe an old white man shouting “money for all!” is going to deliver the White House to them.”

    What is hypocritical about pointing out the racism of the conservative movement? Is it really just a coincidence that every candidate the conservative nominate is ALWAYS a white male?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    And before Obama, what was the track record of the Slavery party? Thats the Democrats, btw, who were staunch supporters of slavery.

  • Creo69

    Gerry,

    Let me guess…you are going to tell me the conservatives just stick with “the most qualified.” Who always happens to be an old white man.

  • Creo69

    “And before Obama, what was the track record of the Slavery party? Thats the Democrats, btw, who were staunch supporters of slavery.”

    Slavery? Civil Wars? Hello…you might want to wake up and start living in the present cause I got news for you…an entire life can pass you by pretty quickly.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Again, what was the track record of the Dems? Any women candidates? Any ethnic minorities before Obama. Jesus Christ, man, you got Obama and now your party is the cutting edge party of equality? Get a grip.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Have the Democrats ever officially aplogized for being the Jim Crow and KKK and slave-owner party? I don’t recall that apology from your party leaders. Maybe you hoped people would forget.

  • Creo69

    Salaryman,

    I bet you didn’t even vote …. right? You were too busy pissing around online to even go through the effort. Instead you justify it to yourself that it is OK because there is no one that represents YOUR values.

    Honesty, if you are so unhappy with the United States either do something about it or renounce your citizenship. There are lines of people waiting to vote for either candidate with the hope that they may improve one small issue during their term. People like you just sitting on your duff feeling sorry for yourself because things aren’t the way you want them are of no use to anyone.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Creo wrote (#298):

    What is hypocritical about pointing out the racism of the conservative movement? Is it really just a coincidence that every candidate the conservative nominate is ALWAYS a white male?

    You hypocrite. You continue to refer to skin color after writing it shouldn’t matter.

    Creo wrote (#298):

    Let me guess…you are going to tell me the conservatives just stick with “the most qualified.” Who always happens to be an old white man.

    Unbelievable! Race doesn’t have anything to do with it, goofball. Why do you keep bringing it up?

  • Wedge

    1. If you’re not on disability or workman’s comp or being a 1/32 Cherokee for affirmative action purposes in the U.S., you’re the patsy.

    2. Scandihoovia has a high-trust culture. This is how they get away with high levels of wealth redistribution and everybody smiles like they’re an actor in a Close-Up commercial. My point #1 is why socialism will never work in the U.S.

  • Creo69

    “you got Obama and now your party is the cutting edge party of equality?”

    Finally, you are starting to see the light! There may be some hope for you yet.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Youre right, I did not vote. I will never vote. Did I not mention I find the whole democratic process today abhorrent? Yesterday people slithered like little vipers to vote for the guy who promised free goodies to them, be that individually or to their special interests. The latinos voted en masse for Obama who promised to legalize border jumpers who never bothered to go through the proper channels to attain citizenship. Slimy union members voted en massed for Obama who promised to empower their little anti-trust exempt mafias. Those on asisstance who pay no taxes and want others to pay more of their fair share, voted for Obama. It was a day of national shame, of slimy, slippery, slithering vipers and scurrying rats enacting a massive lynching of others. Horrible day.

  • http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    Please, don’t hold back on our account—tell us how you really feel.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Creo, you remind of someone who has just made his or her first black friend.

    Creo: “I was talking to my friend last night. By the way, he’s black. And this black friend of mine was telling me about a new restaurant across town. Do you want to check out the restaurant that my black friend told me about?”

    Man: “No, I just finished eating.”

    Creo: “Yeah, right. You are not going because my BLACK friend recommended it, right?” Right? You racist.”

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Robert,

    I was trying to keep it civil..but I will be more frank in the future:)

  • Creo69

    Hey Gerry,

    Just so you know. The next time you write your racist garbage and put it in quotes to try to attribute it to me I am going to give your skinny, little, decrepit, diaper wearing, geriatric arse a cyber spanking.

  • Creo69

    SalarymaninSeoul,

    You are the problem with America…. indifference and cowardliness solves nothing. Keep hiding in Korea.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Arent you also in Korea? Again, youre a hypocrite.

    I live in Korea. Even if I did not have a physical reaction to voting, a sickness to the depths of my stomach, I wouldn’t vote simply because not living in the US means I really shouldnt be involved in a decision that will impact those that do but not myself. I see you have no problem with that and that makes you a hypocrite^2

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    And I am not “the problem with America.” I do not live in America, havent for a long time.

  • Wedge

    Who knew the word “Cherokee” would toss a comment into moderation. Or is it the dreaded “Scandihoovia?”

  • Wedge

    Nope, those words made it. Maybe it’s the “S” word.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Socialist?

  • Creo69

    “Arent you also in Korea? Again, youre a hypocrite.”

    I live where I choose when I choose. I am still American. Trust me. Many immigration officers have pointed this out to me.

    “I wouldn’t vote simply because not living in the US means I really shouldnt be involved in a decision that will impact those that do but not myself.”

    As an expat, there are an endless number of decisions that an American president makes that have an huge AND DIRECT impact on my life as an American abroad. YOU ARE DAMN RIGHT I VOTE!

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    The vote, voter, scurry along behind that curtain. Its so much easier to steal when the victim can’t see you.

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    There are two really dire consequences of Obama’s victory on Tuesday: (i) the United States is firmly fixed on a path which leads to financial disaster, default, and/or hyperinflation; and (ii) Obama will possibly appoint a total of four (4) more justices to the Supreme Court, bringing the total of his appointments to six. We could be facing 30-50 more years of Obamunist rule through a profoundly progressive Supreme Court.

    Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 82 (and fighting cancer), Antonin Scalia and Anthony Kennedy 79, and Stephen Breyer almost 77. Retirement or death are stalking each of them; consequently, unstoppable slide to hyperstatism is stalking each of us.

    The good news is everyone gets to be a billionaire. Whee!

    I foresee the parties realigning in the near future. The Tea Party has attempted to take over the government through the Republican Party and has failed. Those voters will leave the Republican Party if they cannot eject progressive Republicans and/or social conservatives. Both these factions are harmful to the libertarian cause — the progressives because they adore Leviathan (they see the hand of the state as a cuddly Iron Giant), the social conservatives because they’re busybodies.

    The Tea Party is, at its heart, a libertarian movement. Once they bolt the Republican Party there may be defections of Democrats who are uncomfortable with the extreme statism and hostility to capitalism embraced by the current incarnation of the Democratic Party. Ask Cory Booker and Harold Ford Jr. about that. We’ll be left with hard-core Progressives (who may still use the name Democrats) at about 30% of the electorate, Libertarians at maybe 25%, a rump social-conservative party at 15% with the balance being comprised of unaligned independents.

    I am now having to think seriously about another nationality. I’m a military veteran and unabashed American patriot, but also a lover of liberty, and I am not at all optimistic about the survival of our Republic. I fear you’ve all thrown it away. Nice work.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Buckets and buckets of cash fo all!

  • Creo69

    “The good news is everyone gets to be a billionaire.”

    That may be a a slight exaggeration…but you are correct. Under Obama, and the growing economy his policies have re-created, we all have that opportunity, as opposed to when we had Bush as a President and we were all losing our homes, cars, jobs, etc…etc…headed for what was referred to as “The Next Great Depression.”

    Guess I am not as sharp as all you Tea Baggers, but I am going to stick with Obama and at least hold onto my pants for now.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    You get your economics from Krugman, right?

  • Creo69

    “You get your economics from Krugman, right?”

    Yeh…I know. Conspiracy in everything. Everyone is out to get YOU correct? Everyone is lying. There is no recovery and the economy actually was thriving during the Bush years! Right is left and left is right. Day is night and night is day. Potatoe…potatoe…

  • Jashin Densetsu

    remember that the romney campaign threw ron paul supporters under the bus.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    The Great Depression was called so because of its length, and it was so long because of the policies that FDR implemented. Obama considers FDR his hero and a role model and true enough, the lenght and the feebleness of this “recovery” do not surprise anyone. The dry orgasms over 20,000 jobs created in a month are pathetic. The printing of the dollar into oblivion will bring about the usual consequences, and in a way I am happy Obama will be at the helm when his policies backfire, not safely in retirement and shielded from the blame.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Creo wrote (#310):

    Just so you know. The next time you write your racist garbage and put it in quotes to try to attribute it to me I am going to give your skinny, little, decrepit, diaper wearing, geriatric arse a cyber spanking.

    You’re right, Creo. I should have writen “Man 1″ and “Man 2.” But just so you know, I voted for Romney, and I’m no racist.

    Creo wrote (#296):

    What is hypocritical about pointing out the racism of the conservative movement?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Croe, you just sound like a typical Krugman reader.

  • Creo69

    “I am happy Obama will be at the helm when his policies backfire, not safely in retirement and shielded from the blame.”

    Conspiracies always have a happy ending in the mind of the whack jobs who cling to them so fervently. Hey… you seem fairly intelligent, can you tell me exactly what did happen on the “Grassy Knoll?” Been scratching my head over that one for years.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Thanks, you , on the other hand, sound like a brainwashed twit.

  • Creo69

    “I wouldn’t vote simply because not living in the US means I really shouldnt be involved in a decision that will impact those that do but not myself. ”

    Brainwashed twit? You are living in a a foreign country as a non citizen (I know you are not a Korean citizen cause you are too fricking lazy to even fax in a vote you will never take the first step in the long process of becoming a citizen in another country) with the delusion that you have no obligations to your own country. All of this based upon your childish rational that because you do not live in America the policies of your country don’t effect you. What are you like sixteen?

    Like it or not you are American and as responsible as any American citizen for your countries action. This childish belief you have that since you left you have cleansed yourself of sin and become a born again virgin is the most childish thing I have ever heard from any expat. But clearly you can’t handle responsibility and this cop out helps you out.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I do not abstain from voting because I think the policies do not affect me. I already wrote why I do not vote: that is the sickness I feel at the mere thought of voting. All other considerations are secondary, and pale in comparison to the primary reason: I FIND THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS ABHORRENT.

    I do not feel ANY obligation to my country. None at all. The mere act of me being born somewhere does not suddenly burden me with an obligation to the government ruling that piece of real estate.

    Because I did not vote for any of the people elected in the US, not a single one from the lowest to the highest levels of government, I do not feel any responsibility for the actions of “my country,” a country, which I alrerady explained, I do not even consider a legitimate one.

    Yes, I hold a passport, but to say that because I hold this passport is akin to telling a slave he has a responsibility to the master who branded him. I would GLADLY, GLADLY, relinquish my passport if not for the fact that even if I do, I will still be forced to pay taxes for years to the IRS. Passport or none, I am still going to be robbed. So what’s in it for me to get rid of my passport?

    In every other instance I have disengaged myself from “my country.” I will continue to stay disengaged.

    I have no responsibility to any collective. A collective cannot claim a duty from me, a collective is a mere abstraction. Only individuals can claim a duty from me, but any such claim from those who never met me, which means pretty much every American, would be ridiculous were they to claim I owe them a duty. Screw the collective.

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    Scandihoovia has a high-trust culture. This is how they get away with high levels of wealth redistribution and everybody smiles like they’re an actor in a Close-Up commercial. My point #1 is why socialism will never work in the U.S.

    Ask a Scandi about teh Muslims and stand by to be shocked.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    “Yes, I hold a passport, but to say that because I hold this passport is akin to telling a slave he has a responsibility to the master who branded him. I would GLADLY, GLADLY, relinquish my passport if not for the fact that even if I do, I will still be forced to pay taxes for years to the IRS. Passport or none, I am still going to be robbed. So what’s in it for me to get rid of my passport? ”

    Should read:

    “Yes, I hold a passport, but to say that because I hold this passportn then I have a duty to the government, is akin to telling a slave he has a responsibility to the master who branded him. I would GLADLY, GLADLY, relinquish my passport if not for the fact that even if I do, I will still be forced to pay taxes for years to the IRS. Passport or none, I am still going to be robbed. So what’s in it for me to get rid of my passport? “

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #319 Brendon Carr: “I foresee the parties realigning in the near future. The Tea Party has attempted to take over the government through the Republican Party and has failed. Those voters will leave the Republican Party if they cannot eject progressive Republicans and/or social conservatives. Both these factions are harmful to the libertarian group.

    The Tea Party is, at its heart, a libertarian movement. Once they bolt the Republican Party there may be defections of Democrats who are uncomfortable with the extreme statism and hostility to capitalism embraced by the current incarnation of the Democratic Party.

    BC, you’re going to have to provide some examples to back those statements.

    The Tea Party is not at its heart, a libertarian movement. The poster children for the Tea Party, or at least who came to my mind before I totally shut down to them, were Sarah Palin and Christine O’Donnell, who by the way is not a witch. I’ve since heard and ignored Michelle Bachmann and Glenn Beck.

    The Tea Party has at its heart a socially tight ass ideology that spouts flat tax and head tax. True libertarianism is first about civil liberties. Libertarian economic policy is a logical extension of libertarian civil philosophy.

    Why don’t you post which Tea Party civil rights philosophies are libertarian?

  • Creo69

    “I do not feel ANY obligation to my country. None at all. The mere act of me being born somewhere does not suddenly burden me with an obligation to the government ruling that piece of real estate.”

    Yes, it does until you get off your lazy, whining arse and take the steps to change it…you never will, you prefer to whine.

    “Yes, I hold a passport.”

    And, you seem to think that you owe no one for the privileges that receive DAILY from continuing to hold that passport. Nice. And trust me, if you felt it were as worthless as you are trying to convince us of you would toss it out the car window and never look back. You could do that if you REALLY had any conviction behind your beliefs.

    Obligations? Just for starters that passport allows you to work in the country you are currently in, it is essential to your livelihood. Don’t believe it? Toss it on the tarmac the next time you come back to Korea from one of your little tropical vacations. See how far you get without it.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I pay the taxes that allow me to keep that passport. That the extent of my obligation. I pay money for a service. When I fly to the US I pay for what I use, I pay the taxes on what I purchase. That is as far as my obligation goes.

  • Creo69

    “I would GLADLY, GLADLY, relinquish my passport if not for the fact that even if I do, I will still be forced to pay taxes for years to the IRS. Passport or none, I am still going to be robbed. So what’s in it for me to get rid of my passport? “

    I see people everyday on the streets that have no passport…no id…no one could identify who they are even if they wanted to. You hold onto your passport because it gives you the privileges of a nice comfy lifestyle…don’t try to BS us into believing anything else.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    In fact, I probably contribute more than any Obama voter: I am in no way a drain on the country. I contribute taxes and I pump cash into the economy upon visits to the US. Most Obama voters are a drain on public finances.

  • Creo69

    “I pay the taxes that allow me to keep that passport. That the extent of my obligation. I pay money for a service. When I fly to the US I pay for what I use, I pay the taxes on what I purchase. That is as far as my obligation goes.”

    Really? Is there an online calculator to determine how much a citizen has to pay for the privledges that come along with holding a passport. Interesting, I have never run across that.

    You know why…cause NO SUCH THING EXISTS! When you are a citizen of a country your are either in or out.

    THERE IS NO “A LA CARTE” MENU FOR RIGHTS YOU TWIT. carte

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    sure there is, but if you werent so into this statist mentality, you would be able to free yourself of suich silly notions as patriotism and loyalty to a government.

  • Creo69

    “In fact, I probably contribute more than any Obama voter: I am in no way a drain on the country. I contribute taxes and I pump cash into the economy upon visits to the US. Most Obama voters are a drain on public finances.”

    Well then…who knew we have such a patriot right here on the Marmot’s Hole. He just gives and gives to a country that he believes gives him nothing in return. If you hate democracy so much, why are you such a puppet for it? Will you write me a check too?

  • Anonymous_Joe

    @338: Sure, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Eric Schmidt, SalarymaninSeoul….

    Dude, I wanna part wit u.

  • Creo69

    “sure there is, but if you werent so into this statist mentality, you would be able to free yourself of suich silly notions as patriotism and loyalty to a government.”

    I am loyal to my country and its people. And my feelings for the current political party in power have never changed that. I loved America as much when Bush was leading it as Obama.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Joe,

    I don’t get it.

  • Creo69

    GOD BLESS AMERICA….MY HOME SWEET HOME!

    SalarymaninSeoul…stay in China and turn in your passport.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Great, thats your choice, Creo. I dont share that view. The system is like a casino. Sure, you might score a win once in a while but the odds are against you. You lose in the long run. The net of life in the system is a loss. Hence, a smart player uses every trick to get that net to a positive. That means USING the system designed to use you. No silly loyalties, no silly patriotism. What doesn’t favor you should be made to do so. Use the system, squeeze a gain from it whenever you can. Don’t create ideas that lord themselves over you.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Silly rabbit. Patriotism is for kids.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    SalarymaninSeoul: part s/b party

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I must be slow, please explain. Btw, are you a libertarian? I know there is a Libertarian party branch here in Seoul.

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    I am also intensely curious to know whether now that Obama is reelected the American media will be interested in the true sluggishness of the economy, the debt ceiling (which must be raised again in December), what happened in Benghazi and any of the mysterious background of our President. There is a lot of reporting to be done.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #347 SalarymaininSeoul: Philosophically, I am a libertarian, and I douse my ivy tower philosophical purity tendencies with a shot of livin’ in the real world.

    I did not know there was a Libertarian Party branch in Seoul. I’m so starved for intellectual discourse that I’d want to break bread with them so long as they’re not buffet libertarians.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Ive never attended a meeting but they are easy to find on Google. No idea whether they are buffet libertarians.

  • Jashin Densetsu

    ron paul would’ve won.

  • Wedge

    #332: Well, I wanted to keep my comment short and sweet. Yep, Muslim immigration, like a strong virus, will bring down the Sven and Norskie happy-happy systems eventually–it’s just a matter of time.

  • Creo69

    “I am also intensely curious to know whether now that Obama is reelected the American media will be interested in the true sluggishness of the economy, the debt ceiling (which must be raised again in December), what happened in Benghazi and any of the mysterious background of our President. There is a lot of reporting to be done.”

    You mean other than Fox News (the twenty four hour a day tool for conservatives)? Today their cover story is blaming “Good Morning America” for Obama’s re-election. Are conservatives really this stupid or do they just think the rest of us are? With stories like this is it any wonder people really could care less what the media does or doesn’t report on anymore?

  • Jashin Densetsu

    Two lessons for Republicans in 2012 election:

    1) Don’t piss off women.
    2) Don’t piss off Latinos.

    or how about screw women and latinos and focus on men and non-latinos? most latinos are illegal and most women are airheads who vote according to their hormones and emotions http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/25/cnn-scratches-womens-hormones-voting-choices_n_2015652.html

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #349 Brendon Carr: “I am also intensely curious to know… any of the mysterious background of our President. There is a lot of reporting to be done.”

    Unless Obama is the Area 51 alien wit some kinda hitnotizin’ space voodoo powers, there’s nothing there.

    Fox News, Donald Trumpet, Murdoch, Joe Arpaio, … a veritable zoo of who’s who??? have returned nothing but innuendo.

    The Republicans lost and will continue to lose so long as they continue mine for gold in the same empty mines. Listen, I remember laughing at the idea of HRC when she ran for Senator of NY and thinking how badly she would lose. She ran an intelligent, issues-oriented campaign while Rick Lazio ran against her as in vilifying her personality.

    The Republican Party has become a bunch of demagogues who run on cults of personality, are devoid of ideas, and base their campaigns on demonizing opponents and issues into characters in morality plays.

    The mouth pieces, Rush Limbaugh in particular, are like mean girls who refute women’s claims by slinging slut at them in the hopes of some of it sticks: “Sandra Fluke is a prostitute” and “Sharon Buy-a-lick >>slrrrrppp<<" rather than address their ideas and claims, which by the way were credible. Disparaging women based on painting them sexually goes back to Jezebel (whose name has become a substitute for painted; read her account objectively, and you'll see she died every inch a queen) through Mary Magdalene (we all know what she was, people have whispered it for 2000 years, except there's no text in The Text that says such) to Catherine the Great (>>wink, wink, nudge, nudge<< although there's no credible historical support, and even the very idea defies imagination). But that's what the Republican Party runs on mixed with sky god references in recognition of the jebus watch Monday through Saturday, pray on Sunday and he will provide crowd… Rush is the King Flab who….

    >>”Peace, peace. You talk of nothing.
    >>’tis true… I talk of the Republican Party platform.

    …Sorry, I’m back.

  • Creo69

    “Rush is the King Flab who….”

    Rush is a conservative drug addict. No different than the people he spent so many years bad mouthing on his show.

  • Sonagi

    #332: Well, I wanted to keep my comment short and sweet. Yep, Muslim immigration, like a strong virus, will bring down the Sven and Norskie happy-happy systems eventually–it’s just a matter of time.

    Sadly, you’re correct. An online immigration forum that I read periodically gets questions from Middle Eastern and Central Asian asylum shoppers who’ve already found a safe haven in an EU country but want to move to Sweden because they’d heard the benefits were more generous.

  • jkitchstk

    Much of what the Myth Romnesia fans have been saying can be summed up below:
    Fox News Meltdown,
    “The party of personal responsibility blames the mainstream media, Hurricane Sandy and the Obama smear machine for Mitt Romney’s loss.”
    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-november-7-2012/post-democalypse-2012—america-takes-a-shower—fox-news-meltdown

    “Karl Rove disputes Fox News’ Ohio electoral math, Megyn Kelly goes for a stroll, and Bill O’Reilly pronounces the election a victory for people who want stuff.”
    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-november-7-2012/post-democalypse-2012—america-takes-a-shower—karl-rove-s-math
    “Math You Do As a Republican to Make You Feel Better”
    “BullSh*t Mountain News(BMN)” AKA Foxnews

    Be sure to watch this weeks ‘South Park’ which airs “Obama Wins.”

  • Ex-Ex-Pat

    In High School Obama was the leader of a pot smoking club called the Choom Gang. He smoked copious amounts of weed. In his high school yearbook in his dedications page his thanked his Choom crew but not his Mom and Grandparents.

    Again, this does not disqualify for president. My point is that the media reports on him with the objectivity the North Korea brings to Dear Leader.

    If a Republican had this background it would follow him into every article about him. The Times did a bid investigation where they went and interviewed all Mitt Romney’s high school classmates for dirt. You tell an Obama supporter about the Choom Crew and they deny its existence.

  • Ex-Ex-Pat

    Obama and his machine are skilled fascists. They flatter their supporters. Picture a young Obama voter living above his parents garage who will likely never participate in a decent economy. He has a lousy future. But he rejoices is sticking it to Rush Limbaugh. Obama will run the economy into the ground, but you get to be on the side of Jay-Z.

    I don’t think the Obama supporters really know, understand or care about politics. It is kind of like sports rooting for them. They get the pride of picking a winner. Dogbert and Creo now claim: our guy won by a slim measure of the popular vote, see we are geniuses.

  • Ex-Ex-Pat

    Chris Matthews, Obama’s most passionate media boot licker, proclaims on election night that he was “so glad we had that hurricane” because it boosted Obama’s image.

    I think there you have the psychology of an Obama supporter in a nutshell.

    72 deaths and 100 billion in damage is a small price to pay for Obama to get re-elected.

  • Creo69

    ” I don’t think the Obama supporters really know, understand or care about politics.”

    Thank God we have you o’wise one.

    I have lived through many presidents, barely surviving the Bush years as a b2b sales rep, I understand politics quite well. Well enough in fact to know living above your parents garage in the Obama years beats living on the sreets when your parents lose their house…and pension…in the Bush years.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #361 Ex-Ex-Pat: “In High School Obama was the leader of a pot smoking club called the Choom Gang. He smoked copious amounts of weed. In his high school yearbook in his dedications page his thanked his Choom crew but not his Mom and Grandparents.

    Candidate Obama was asked point blank in a news conference (I distinctly remember seeing the clip) whether he had ever smoked pot. He replied “yes”. The next question came immediately: “did you inhale?” Candidate Obama replied, “that was the point, wasn’t it?” Absolute end of story.

    In my high school year book, I didn’t thank my mother or grandmother either. In fact, for my high school quote, I put “eat me” in Italian. I was in high school. That was the point.

    (PS: as far as the Choom crew went, even if the story is 100% true, I really don’t care. Virtually everyone from that generation tried marijuana. In fact, if someone from that generation did not at least try marijuana, we wonder “WTF? What were you, a Mormon?”

  • Creo69

    By the way, anybody happen to catch Rep Boehner begging Obama to work with him today? Priceless. Looks like even that twat is learning a few things about politics under “Obama Nation”

    Whoot! Whoot! Team Obama! Team Obama!
    Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Team!

  • Benjamin Wagner

    I am now having to think seriously about another nationality.

    Well, it seems to have worked out well for Seoul’s first “blue-eyed Korean” lawyer.

  • jkitchstk

    You mean B. Carr? Hahahaaaaa

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    The GOP’s demographic time bomb:

    http://prospect.org/article/future-white-mans-party

    California, unfortunately, points the way.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    “…or how about screw women and latinos”

    Densetsu,

    Then you must deny them the vote, which would be impossible to do. So, pick your poison.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Creo, are you among the white guys in the following Video?

    VIDEO

  • jkitchstk

    In hindsight, had Myth Romnesia handed over his tax returns he just might’ve won.

    With Obama’s victory it just might sway the undecided voters now to the left.

    100% of the people surveyed in an exit poll said they were leaving.

    Today, for 5 million $$$’s Obama handed over his college records to Donald Trump…his Electoral College records.

    Last night was the highest tweeted event ever, thanks to Obama.

    My next vacation will be to Colorado where I’ll meet up with some premo weed.

    The engine room in Chicago beat the engine room in Boston.

    The Battle for the Battle Ground States: Obama – 8 / Romnesia – 0

    Where did our country go? Ya’ll be sure to go out and vote now do you hear? Why? To find out who took our country.

    Zero visibility in New York when the Nor’easter struck after hurricane Sandy, F*ck FEMA’s morality(GOP response to hurricane Katrina ring a bell) when folks are wandering around without homes, water, electricity, refrigerators/food, in 3 feet of water unable to get to school etc… The Jersey Shore, Seaside, Sea bright, and Point Pleasant Beach are all gone. Is there a new Amsterdam job plan planned to fix the boardwalk? If so, it will be blocked/filibustered by the republican tea-baggeringers.

  • rwilliams_4459se

    I’m so relieved after this election. Whew.

  • jkitchstk

    # 358
    For all those Rush Limbaugh fan boys you should be waiting with much anticipation for John Cusack in “Rush.”
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/reliable-source/post/in-other-news-john-cusack-to-play-rush-limbaugh/2012/11/04/0f6756dc-26e2-11e2-9972-71bf64ea091c_blog.html

  • CactusMcHarris

    Brendon,

    I figure whatever posts you make this week are the product of a mind in mourning. Drink some tears and email me in the morning.

  • jkitchstk

    Republicans: Raising children like usual as republican billionaire(Peter Brant) SuperPac donor’s son says he’s going to kill Obama.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/peter-brant-ii-teen-billionaire-jokes-about-contingency-plan-to-kill-obama_n_2090312.html
    “The remark was then followed by a joke about women’s rights.”

  • jk641

    Chris Matthews, Obama’s most passionate media boot licker, proclaims on election night that he was “so glad we had that hurricane” because it boosted Obama’s image.

    During this election season, I was absolutely sickened by how biased the American media is.
    I have lost all respect for them.
    There is no hint of objectivity left.
    Any Republican presidential candidate has to battle more than his Democratic opponent, but the whole media.
    Just ridiculous.

  • jk641

    Oh, and I am very afraid for the future of the US, economic and otherwise.

    Even if you set aside all the details of his policies and the things he stands for,
    Obama is just not a good leader.

    He doesn’t have good relations with Congress, period. With Republicans or Democrats.
    He’s largely seen as “aloof” and “standoffish”.
    He doesn’t like to meet foreign leaders, either. (During the last UN General Assembly, he did not have meetings with any foreign leaders.)
    I think this definitely contributed to the unprecedented level of Congressional deadlock and ineffectiveness during his first term.

    Obama knows how to get elected, but not how to lead.

    In this time when the US faces so many daunting challenges both domestic and abroad, is this the kind of leader we need??

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    TK and hoju,

    Completely disagree. The Northern European model is completely incompatible with the U.S.A. For the purposes of brevity, I’ll just list the points briefly. You can agree or disagree.

    1. Different societies and values. The U.S.A is a nation that was founded on the principles of keeping government out of our pocketbooks and via self-reliance. The birth of the country was founded on the fact that a government thousands of miles away had excessively taxed their colonies and thus those colonies revolted. The country’s settlement patterns have been one of individuals and small groups of households populating open space so they could escape government control and taxation. This does not make Americans unpatriotic, but does make them believe that people should be responsible for their own affairs and the government should not take too much of what is the product of the individual’s labors.

    Additionally, the level of social order in the U.S. and the European northern region is very different. The U.S. has probably the highest amount of incarceration in any developed country. I believe this means that a nation wide level social welfare state would be open to a lot of fraud and cheating and enforcement and “leakage” would make social welfare excessively expensive, specially compared to the Northern European countries.

    2. Different budgets and systems. We already have a system of social nets here in the U.S. On the federal level it would be welfare, Medicare, Social Security, and federal subsidies into education and state funded Medicaid, etc. These type of entitlements cover a whopping 56% of the federal budget! Is there room for additional social programs ON TOP of our existing programs? In this economy absolutely not. You would have to do two things: 1) fundamentally increase tax revenue and/or 2) fundamentally change the structure of the existing entitlements. Unfortunately, nobody seems to want to change the existing structure of entitlements and fundamentally increasing tax revenue to Scandinavian levels in the U.S. is unlikely in the foreseeable future.

    3. Different economies. I know some of you guys have pointed to Finland as an example, but the prime example of Northern European social welfare continues to be Sweden and Norway, two countries who’s economy is heavily tied to North Sea Oil (either drilling for it or refining it). Thus, these two countries have per capita GDPs higher than the U.S. (Norway at $97k and Sweden at $58k vs. the U.S. at $48k). Even if you raised the tax base, the U.S. is still, on a per capita basis, poor than these two countries. Even if the tax rate was similar, you are still pulling out less wealth. Less wealth buys less things so your social net would still have more holes in it. Given the more leakage you would have in the U.S., the social net gets more expensive and less effective still. It’s amazing how little we got considering how much we spend today on Medicare and welfare.

    4. Different cultures. This is somewhat related to point 1, but I’m differentiating it by indicating that if you raise taxes to Scandinavian levels you are likely to have a lot of talented people leave the U.S. or not come to it at all. Many of the most successful immigrants don’t come to the U.S. for its’ amazing social net. They come to the U.S. because they could not only enjoy a higher standard of living, but also have the government out of their hair and out of their pocketbooks. Furthermore, what is the incentive of entrepreneurs and other wealth generators stay in the U.S. if the government is willing to take so much income away from you? I would guess that such people would be more incentivized to move to places like Hong Kong, UAE, Singapore, China, South Korea or even Canada and the UK. If my tax rate went up from 25 to 45%, I would probably move to the UAE or Hong Kong myself. A drain of smart and professional people would lower the overall wealth of the U.S. Furthermore, disincentivizing wealth creation would just incentivize wealth generators to, if not move away, then to just generate less wealth, hence less jobs and tax revenue. America would not be a place people would want to come to or stay in. It would be a place where self motivated people would want to leave. At the very least, it would be a place where people would want to pay taxes in. You may see a lot of special residents in the U.S. but with different passports.

    Thus, for the aforementioned reasons, a Scandinavian type of welfare state in the U.S. is impossible, improbable and untenable. It is a nice fantasy dreamland to escape to wistfully for America’s most left leaning, but severely unrealistic, people.

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    Quick rejoinders on the four points:

    1. U.S. is also founded on African slavery. Some traditions are not worth keeping.

    2. Raising taxes to Northern European level is eminently foreseeable, if Democrats keep winning for the next two decades.

    3. It is a silly strawman argument to cling onto the comparisons with Norway and Sweden only. Why does it matter that those two countries are the “prime examples”? Both Germany and France have far superior social services than America’s, and they are poorer than U.S. on per capita basis. And as I said before, if American social services approach 90% of Germnay’s now, I will not be taking this position.

    4. How do you explain the constant influx of immigrants to Canada and Australia, another two countries that have superior social services? Do you seriously think that universal healthcare and old age pensions are so freedom-killing that immigrants will not come to the U.S.?

  • DLBarch

    One might also add that it was not that long ago that scholars were claiming in all seriousness that Korea’s Confucian and hierarchical traditions were fundamentally incompatible with democracy.

    And if that doesn’t piss you off, Koreans used to be known as the lazy Asians. Now their diligence is seen as all but unequaled.

    These types of broad claims and arguments are nonsense, pure and simple. If the Korean example proves nothing else, it is that public policy can be legislated. Cultures are not fixed in time or written in stone.

    DLB

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    TK,

    Your comparisons are flawed, my comparisons are better and there are no strawmen.

    http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2007/06/social-spending.html

    Sweden, Denmark and Norway pay the most per capita and the U.S., Canada and Australia pay a similar amount per capita. Come to think of it… social spending and north sea oil resources are positively linked. Denmark’s economy is also heavily tied to north sea oil and their GDP per capita is $59k, a little higher than Sweden’s.

    Regarding France, they do have a very extensive social net and they are suffering for it:

    http://world.time.com/2011/12/26/more-taxes-please-were-french/
    http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21566000-not-competitiveness-shock-surprisingly-bold-government-plan-rude-awakening

    As I had said before, Germany is thinking of dismantling parts of their social net, especially in light of greater European economic concerns:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/germany-reaps-rewards-of-entitlement-cuts/2011/07/21/gIQAd9HCcJ_story.html

    There is no free lunch in this universe and the government is a poor conduit of wealth redistribution.

  • Sonagi

    4. How do you explain the constant influx of immigrants to Canada and Australia, another two countries that have superior social services? Do you seriously think that universal healthcare and old age pensions are so freedom-killing that immigrants will not come to the U.S.?

    Australia protects the solvency of its universal health care by imposing age caps on immigrants. Canada is considering elderly immigrants’ eligbility for free health care. Universal health care and old age pensions are not budget-killing as long as immigrants arrive here young enough to earn those benefits.

  • Sonagi

    Correction: Canada is considering modifying…

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #379 thekorean: 1. U.S. is also founded on African slavery. Some traditions are not worth keeping.

    The U.S. was not founded on slavery.

    The modern U.S. was born out of the American Civil War. The war started about maintaining the Union (which was divided over the issue of slavery, but the war started about maintaining the Union. The war became fundamentally about the question of slavery. The South offered to rejoin with slavery the Union as the war became a quagmire. Lincoln rejected the offer, proclaiming the obvious: he would go down as the greatest villain in history.

    Even before in the early founding of the colonies and the southern colonies in the early 1600′s, there were interracial marriages recorded. They weren’t common, but they occurred. There are also early documents with the equal (or about as equal as those who are different get treated) standing of blacks.

    (I stopped reading after your first point.)

  • http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

    Thus, for the aforementioned reasons, a Scandinavian type of welfare state in the U.S. is impossible, improbable and untenable.

    I’m in agreement with you. But health care is a different matter – adopting a Euro-style hybrid health system would save the US money, not cost it more. Remember, the US currently spends more on health care per capita than any other OECD nation – by a large margin.

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    (I stopped reading after your first point.)

    I could tell.

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    Your comparisons are flawed, my comparisons are better and there are no strawmen.

    Then address Finland.

    Sweden, Denmark and Norway pay the most per capita and the U.S., Canada and Australia pay a similar amount per capita.

    Then how is it that Canada and Australia have superior social services than the U.S.?

    Regarding France, they do have a very extensive social net and they are suffering for it

    No more than how U.S. is suffering now.

    As I had said before, Germany is thinking of dismantling parts of their social net, especially in light of greater European economic concerns

    I say this out of love — I don’t know why you keep clinging to this irrelevant point. I am guessing because you don’t have a good point as to Germany.

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    The ongoing human tragedy caused by the neglect of the poor in this country is appalling, particularly compared to the vast amount of wealth it generates. To ignore that tragedy is to be blind or morally depraved. A democratic government, as the expression of a nation’s collective will, has the positive duty to protect the life and dignity of the nation’s people, particularly those who are weak and vulnerable.

    Vast majority of the countries in the world understands this idea, and they implement this idea when they can afford it. There is no question that America can afford it. It is only our depraved indifference that is in the way.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    I find the idea that the poor have a moral claim on those who are not, prepostrous. When a man has a moral claim for another man to perform a positive action for him, that is slavery, without any exaggeration. Positive duties can only exist where we have voluntarily taken them on. I am not saddled with the responsibility to be my brother’s keeper unless I agree to do so. I live for myself, not for the collective, all of it or parts of it. If you feel so strongly, donate your own money to help.

  • Sonagi

    The modern U.S. was born out of the American Civil War. The war started about maintaining the Union (which was divided over the issue of slavery, but the war started about maintaining the Union. The war became fundamentally about the question of slavery. The South offered to rejoin with slavery the Union as the war became a quagmire. Lincoln rejected the offer, proclaiming the obvious: he would go down as the greatest villain in history.

    The war did not start “about mtaintaining the union.”. The South seceded to keep slavery legal. They said so repestedly in plain English in each state’s declaration of secession. States’ rights got barely a mention. The South initiated fighting by attacking Fort Sumpter. The Union did indeed refuse to recognize the Confederate States of America and proceeded to engage the South in battle, but your sloppy one-sided analysis ignores the very reason why the South seceded – to protect the institution of slavery.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    TK,

    Well, a lot of countries have better social services than the U.S. and pay less or pay not much more than the U.S. to have them. I don’t mind so much about that because that would mean that the tax rate would be reasonable. My main objection is having Scandinavian level tax rates to support social spending, which I believe is incompatible with the U.S. for a number of reasons I have outlined previously. Hell, I don’t think even Obama wants what you want. It would appear that you would advocate throwing money at a problem, which I would oppose, if true. Before someone would raise my taxes, I’d like some input on how it’s spent and a successful record of the effectiveness of the programs that are funded. I would also want the workers who are employed by those government agencies to have competitive wages and benefits and not have a month of paid vacation time, pensions that are 70% of their salaries from the time they are 50 years old or younger, etc.

    Given we get so little for how much we put into such programs, I honestly don’t think throwing more money at the problem is going to make it any better. We have the highest expenditures on primary school education and medical care per capita on the face of the earth, but our quality for both is one of the worse in the developed world. It needs deep reform, not a bigger feeding trough.

  • Sonagi

    We have the highest expenditures on primary school education and medical care per capita on the face of the earth, but our quality for both is one of the worse in the developed world.

    First of all, almost half of medical care spending is private, and given that countries with universal health care get more for less, it’s difficult to make the case that our outrageously expensive health care system is mostly a consequence of inefficient public programs. We are ranked #3 in K-12 public education spending:

    http://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/figures/figure-ifn-1.asp

    A primary reason for our below average educational achievement is our high child poverty rate of 20%. Every OECD country and PISA participant has a SES achievement gap. South Korea has one of the smallest, the US the largest, owing to differences in the home and neighborhood environments of poor children between Korea and the US . When American students attending schools with low poverty rates are compared against students in countries with low poverty rates, our kids score near the top.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #390 Sonagi: The war did not start “about mtaintaining the union.”. The South seceded to keep slavery legal. They said so repestedly in plain English in each state’s declaration of secession. States’ rights got barely a mention. The South initiated fighting by attacking Fort Sumpter. The Union did indeed refuse to recognize the Confederate States of America and proceeded to engage the South in battle, but your sloppy one-sided analysis ignores the very reason why the South seceded – to protect the institution of slavery.

    Duder, the South was not the United States; the South was the Confederate States or states in rebellion, whichever perspective you prefer.

    The United States in its chain of government flows through the Union. Any treaties, agreements, or the like entered into by the states in rebellion, the United States need not honor. The United States honors treaties, agreements, and obligations entered into by the “Lincoln” government. What is referred to as the North or the Union was the United States.

    Early on, Lincoln never really strugged with reconciling his strong abolitionist personal views and his duty as president. Lincoln quote :

    “My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. “

    That’s unequivocal. (He would soon after draft the Emancipation Proclamation.)

    …your sloppy one-sided analysis ignores the very reason why the South” did not represent the position of the United States.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    “No more than how U.S. is suffering now.”

    Well… France’s credit rating is worse than the U.S.

    http://www.voanews.com/content/sp-downgrades-french-credit-rating-137329453/150650.html

    French unemployment is 10.2% and rising:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/06/us-france-economy-unemployment-idUSBRE8850AQ20120906

    Ours in 7.9% and declining. Seriously TK, where do you get your data from?

    Regarding Germany, their social safety net has been under steady decline for some time now:

    http://www.expatica.com/de/finance_business/pensions_insurance/guide-to-german-social-security–3747_9948.html

    “Germany’s once generous and comprehensive social welfare system is under pressure with a funding crisis resulting in part from the greying of the nation’s population forcing the government to undertake major and unpopular reforms….”

    [...]

    “As part of its reform agenda, the government has moved to cut benefits for the long-term unemployed, attempted to speed up the process for people finding jobs as well as offering inducements for those without work to set up their own business.”

    Good on the Germans for getting their house in order and not getting caught with their pants around their fiscal ankles like their southern European neighbors. Any ways, as for me, I believe it is a sin to not help those who cannot help themselves. However, often times human nature leans towards laziness and gluttony, thus I believe it is a sin to help those who can help themselves. Social welfare programs should inherently be a small part of the national government economy because the number of healthy and able bodied citizens should be high. However, if the system encourages cheating and leakage (i.e. inefficiency), then the social welfare system will become bloated and unaffordable, which can be ruinous to any country.

  • Sonagi

    Duder, the South was not the United States; the South was the Confederate States or states in rebellion, whichever perspective you prefer.

    Dude, the Confederate States did not exist until after the South seceded to keep slavery legal. US history includes the history of the eleven states of the Confederacy, which were part of the US, except for the four years of the Civil War. Whatever argument or point you’re trying to make doesn’t even approach the level of sophistry.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    Oh, and regarding Finland:

    http://mises.org/daily/4655

  • dogbertt

    A democratic government, as the expression of a nation’s collective will, has the positive duty to protect the life and dignity of the nation’s people, particularly those who are weak and vulnerable.

    There is little appetite for protecting the life and dignity of the likes of Mama June and Honey Boo Boo — this is a part of our national character and the reasons for that are clear to most of us.

  • Creo69

    HOLLY MOLELY!!!

    Asians Americans, African Americans, Hispanics, Gays & Lesbians even Women Voters …. these folks BITCH SLAPPED Mittons at the polls….clearly, they just weren’t politically savvy enough to comprehend Mitton’s message of equality and prosperity for ALL.

    Another day in “OBAMA NATION!”

    Whoot! Whoot! Team Obama! Team Obama!
    Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Team!

  • jk641

    Creo,

    Whatever it is you’re snorting, please stop NOW.
    I’m afraid for your health.

  • Creo69

    “Creo, are you among the white guys in the following Video?”

    Why yes Gerry, that is me!

    Let me clue you in to something. With 93% of the black vote going to Obama…(from talking to friends 100% of the gay vote) I could walk up to every black person I meet and high five them and get it right back at me … with the exception of that 7% … I think it is pretty safe to say most of the the 7% are however dead but still on the voting register….because no black person in their right mind would have a single reason to vote for that idiot Mittons!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/08/obama-virginia-2012-urban_n_2093546.html

  • Creo69

    Sorry…forgot one thing in my post to you Gerry….

    Whoot! Whoot! Team Obama! Team Obama!
    Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Team!

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    “no black person in their right mind would have a single reason to vote for that idiot Mittons! ” Thats a pretty racist comment. Are individual blacks’ voting behaviors influenced by their racial group affiliation or is it because Obama is black? Blacks would actually be best served by libertarian minded leaders, ones who would put an end to the failed drug war that sees millions of blacks incarcerated in federal prisons every year; a drug war that the Obama administration is cranking up. Blacks would be best served by leaders who refused to buy into this guilt trip that siphons millions and billions of dollars into programs that end up making those on the lowest rungs of the socioeconomic ladder addicted to government dole.

    As a pretty typical white democratic voter, you seem to want to lick the boots of various minority groups and you don’t even realize how patronizing you sound.

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    Well… France’s credit rating is worse than the U.S. French unemployment is 10.2% and rising. Ours in 7.9% and declining.

    Focus on suffering. The poor in France rarely experience such disqualifying poverty as the United States, regardless of the economic indicator. They receive healthcare, and they never starve, unlike their American counterparts.

    Any ways, as for me, I believe it is a sin to not help those who cannot help themselves.

    Do you seriously think American social services actually help everyone who cannot help themselves?

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #396 Sonagi, you need to re read my OP. My point was to refute the at best revionist statement “U.S. is also founded on African slavery.”

    In my aside, I meant to fully qualify and weaken the statement that the U.S. fought the civil war in opposition to slavery because I had (incorrectly) anticipated someone sniping that the war was “called the war of secession” and was only to maintain the Union.

    How about this: The Union fought the war because of slavery; thus, I even more strongly refute theKorean’s revisionist “U.S. is also founded on African slavery” with its repugnant “some traditions are not worth keeping” follow up. I just didn’t want him to say, “the American Civil War was about not about slavery. I unequivocally agree that the American Civil War was ultimately not about secession; the American Civil War was about slavery.

    Thank you for bolstering my point made to theKorean, whose point I found not only wrong but also offensive. If he wants to quibble about “war of secession” or “war about slavery”, I will refer him to you.

  • Creo69

    “Thats a pretty racist comment. Are individual blacks’ voting behaviors influenced by their racial group affiliation or is it because Obama is black?”

    Neither…I would think that would be obvious…but I guess in the world you live in the fact that they were voting for Obama’s policies simply couldn’t occur to you.

    Are you saying that 100% of the gay vote went to Obama because Obama is gay? Again, look at the policies. That was the failure of the Republicans…they think people are too simple minded to see through their policies. They were wrong.

  • Creo69

    Whoot! Whoot! Team Obama! Team Obama!
    Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Team!

    ALWAYS forgetting that!

  • Creo69

    “As a pretty typical white democratic voter, you seem to want to lick the boots of various minority groups and you don’t even realize how patronizing you sound.”

    Not nearly as stupid as you sound for assuming I am not a member of one of those minority groups.

    Whoot! Whoot! Team Obama! Team Obama!
    Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Team!

  • Creo69

    “As a pretty typical white democratic voter, you seem to want to lick the boots of various minority groups and you don’t even realize how patronizing you sound.”

    Is licking my own boots as condescending as you try to make a white man licking the boots of a minority group sound?

    Whoot! Whoot! Team Obama! Team Obama!
    Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Team!

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Pathetic…you are worshipping a sleazebag politician. Do you cheer every time Obama kills kids in Afghanistan and Pakistan?

    The policies Obama is putting forth are detrimental to minorities, especially to blacks. The War on Drugs is destroying lives of millions of blacks, yet you whoop and holler the name of this snake. Get a fucking clue.

  • Creo69

    “The policies Obama is putting forth are detrimental to minorities, especially to blacks. The War on Drugs is destroying lives of millions of blacks, yet you whoop and holler the name of this snake. Get a fucking clue.”

    Personal behavior (and accountability for that behavior) is destroying the lives of millions of blacks along with others who are foolish enough to believe drugs will improve their lives in some way. Utter foolishness.

  • Creo69

    Correction “LACK of accountability for that behavior”

  • Creo69

    Missed it twice…so…

    Whoot! Whoot! Team Obama! Team Obama!
    Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Team!

    Whoot! Whoot! Team Obama! Team Obama!
    Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Team!

  • jkitchstk

    Republicans blindsided: What they never understood and may never understand is that gay rights/marriage is an economic issue. Republicans simply don’t know the math, to not include parts in macro economics is an EPIC failure. Duh!

  • jk641

    WK @379,

    The U.S. has probably the highest amount of incarceration in any developed country. I believe this means that a nation wide level social welfare state would be open to a lot of fraud and cheating and enforcement and “leakage” would make social welfare excessively expensive, specially compared to the Northern European countries.

    Medicare and Medicaid fraud are already rampant.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2012/05/31/medicare-and-medicaid-fraud-is-costing-taxpayers-billions

    How much Medicare and Medicaid fraud is there? No one knows for sure. In 2010 the Government Accountability Office (GAO) released a report claiming to have identified $48 billion in what it termed as “improper payments.” That’s nearly 10 percent of the $500 billion in outlays for that year. However, others, including U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, suggest that there is an estimated $60 to $90 billion in fraud in Medicare and a similar amount for Medicaid. Big money!

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Now we’re getting there, the democratic belief in the state as a moral teacher.

  • jkitchstk

    Republicans got outsmarted by Democrats, DUH!

  • Creo69

    “Republicans blindsided: What they never understood and may never understand is that gay rights/marriage is an economic issue. Republicans simply don’t know the math, to not include parts in macro economics is an EPIC failure. Duh!”

    The economics of it plays a very small role. No one would enjoy being treated as less than another person or having the rights that they are afforded under the United States Constitution denied to them based upon the prejudices and blatant hatred of another group of people.

    And, yes, this is a constitutional rights issue and it is headed towards the Supreme Court as proof of that fact.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    TK,

    Cry me a river. Have you ever worked at a check cashing place? Wednesdays were the worse. That’s when the welfare checks came in through the mail. I have to estimate at least 60% of the recipients used their welfare checks for discretionary spending. Some of them openly admitted they were gonna buy CD players or designer sneakers with their welfare checks.

    As I got older and started to make real money I couldn’t believe that a big chunk of what I gave the federal government was going to fuel such habits.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #410 SalarymaninSeoul: “Pathetic…you are worshipping a sleazebag politician. Do you cheer every time Obama kills kids in Afghanistan and Pakistan?”

    That’s an incredible accusation. Do you have evidence of Obama killing kids in Afghanistan and Pakistan?” Really pics. or it didn’t happen.

    “The policies Obama is putting forth are detrimental to minorities, especially to blacks. The War on Drugs is destroying lives of millions of blacks….”

    Obama’s war on drugs is inherited. I think that if Obama had not had the legacy and could implement a U.S. drug law, we’d all be able to date Mary Jane. I could not see a President Romney marrying Mary Jane, though ironically as a Mormon, he should be ok with multiple wives.

  • jkitchstk

    # 377,
    “During this election season, I was absolutely sickened by how biased the American media is.”

    You are primed to watch my comment # 360, and an embarressment to your cause.

    # 378,
    “Obama is just not a good leader.”

    And the republicans(Mitch McConnell and Co.) have yet to be good followers, I stupidly haven’t yet given up on your kind however it appears you’ve already given up on Obama? You’re certainly without any doubt the kind of person America needs!

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Joe,

    Is it incredible? How many women and kids have died in drone strikes? From CNN, a pretty liberal organization. http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/25/world/asia/pakistan-us-drone-strikes/index.html

    “”TBIJ reports that from June 2004 through mid-September 2012, available data indicate that drone strikes killed 2,562 – 3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom 474 – 881 were civilians, including 176 children. TBIJ reports that these strikes also injured an additional 1,228 – 1,362 individuals,” according to the Stanford/NYU study.”

    176 children.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/05/opinion/bergen-obama-drone/index.html

    and

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/map_of_the_week/2012/06/obama_drone_strikes_the_president_ordered_more_than_george_w_bush.html

    and

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/25/study-obama-drone-deaths

    Obama has also executed US citizens and thereby violated the constitutional protections granted to ALL citizens, no matter how distasteful we may find them. In the strike on al-Awlaki, not only was a US citizen assassinated (do you think anyone, even the president, should have the power to assassinate US citizens) but true to form, a child, al-Awlaki’s 16 year old son, was also assassinated:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/24/robert-gibbs-anwar-al-awlaki_n_2012438.html

    The war on drugs is a continuation of previous policies, of course. But Obama chooses to continue this war, and he is therefore responsible for his choice.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    What steps has Obama taken to wind down the war on drugs? Maybe he is too busy ordering assassinations and killing kids in foreign lands.

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    Have you ever worked at a check cashing place?

    Yes. And I managed to come out with my sympathy for the poor intact.

    But I am asking you a serious question here: do you seriously think American social services, as they stand now, actually help everyone who cannot help themselves? Or are we leaving our poor in the ditches to die?

  • jkitchstk

    # 415,
    “Medicare and Medicaid fraud are already rampant.”

    Let’s first stop the Koreans/Korean Americans(Waygookins) from Medicare/Medicaid fraud in America, but yes afterwards focus on all the majority republican doctors.

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    Obama has also executed US citizens and thereby violated the constitutional protections granted to ALL citizens, no matter how distasteful we may find them.

    I thought that was a good thing in your book?

  • jk641

    #421,

    And the republicans(Mitch McConnell and Co.) have yet to be good followers

    What? I thought the US was a democracy.
    Is Obama a king who must be obeyed without question?
    Obama needs to talk to members of Congress and persuade them to reach a compromise.
    If he continues to be an “aloof” president, he will be worse than useless.

    I stupidly haven’t yet given up on your kind however it appears you’ve already given up on Obama?

    I had high hopes for Obama when he took office 4 years ago.
    Not any more.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    #426, what makes you think that other than being a lawyer?

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Jk641 wrote (#427):

    What? I thought the US was a democracy. Is Obama a king who must be obeyed without question? Obama needs to talk to members of Congress and persuade them to reach a compromise. If he continues to be an “aloof” president, he will be worse than useless.

    Sometimes you make sense, JK641.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    TK,

    Probably not because our social services are mismanaged, bloated and like all big government bureaucracies, a bit self serving. Furthermore, is it always the government’s job to help everyone who needs it? There are private organizations out there as well who do a fine job. I spent $2k of my own personal money to start up a 501c3 to help feed the homeless.

    Lastly, there are a lot of people who need help, for one reason or another, that cannot be helped due to issues of character, personal background, drug use or mental capacity. I’ve met homeless people who, for some strange reason, didn’t want to be helped and were comfortable being homeless. I couldn’t put a finger on it. Various public and private institutions are available to help these people, but they just fall through the cracks any ways.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #422 SalarymaninSeoul: Is it incredible?

    If you think that Obama’s stated policy is to kill kids, then yeah yer gonna have to back that up. I recognize that there (and the ugly word for it is) collateral damage, but I do not believe that Obama personally targets children.

    If you want to change American military policy so that it has to have a god-like certainty that no one else will be killed or nothing will be damaged before eliminating military targets, then … (I got nothin’).

    As an easy to see example, I strongly believe that the elimination of Osama Bin Laden even at the potential or actual cost of children in his household was worth it. I strongly believe that for the President to let the opportunity slip because of the possibility of collateral damage would have been dereliction in his duties as the commander in chief and president tasked with the protection of the American people.

    Don’t let raging hatred for Obama on some issues spill over to other. Any president in his position should and would do the same.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Bin Laden wasnt taken out by a drone strike. I don’t know how OBL’s name pops up in a discussion about drones.

    Yes, I do wholeheartedly believe Obama gets his jollies when kids are “collateral” damage. I really do. Is that his outright policy? No, but its a welcome side effect, and thats why he is going to keep increasing drone strikes and the practices that intensify “collateral damage.”

  • jk641

    gbevers,

    Sometimes you make sense

    Gee, thanks.
    (You do too. some-times)

  • jkitchstk

    # 427/429,
    Let me guess, you never questioned or doubted Bush? Why does Obama need to persuade republicans to do the most basic parts(compromise) of their job as agreed upon when they promised to do so? Grover Norquist doesn’t officially count but keep teabagging if you like. In the end you republican fan boys at MH are non-conciliatory, what will you do when your reps actually acknowledge Obama’s victory and act accordingly to save their jobs in 2014?

  • Creo69

    “Lastly, there are a lot of people who need help, for one reason or another, that cannot be helped due to issues of character, personal background, drug use or mental capacity. I’ve met homeless people who, for some strange reason, didn’t want to be helped and were comfortable being homeless. I couldn’t put a finger on it. Various public and private institutions are available to help these people, but they just fall through the cracks any ways.”

    Yes…but their lives were non the less improved when President Reagan tossed them all out on the street to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. At least now, they all get a suntan and exercise while aimlessly wandering the streets day and night listening to the voices in their heads.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    A Navy Seal can decide to shoot a child or not, and most likely would not shoot a kid point blank. A missile from a drone does not discriminate, so to get that number of kids and women dead, Obama is escalating the number of drone strikes DRAMATICALLY.

  • Creo69

    “what will you do when your reps actually acknowledge Obama’s victory and act accordingly to save their jobs in 2014?”

    You mean like yesterday when that twat Rep John Boehner was on the news begging President Obama to forgive him and work with him.

    There ain’t nothin worse than when the boss you thought was a big a-hole ends up not getting fired like you thought. PRICELESS BABE!

    Whoot! Whoot! Team Obama! Team Obama!
    Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Team!

  • Anonymous_Joe

    I’ll answer this one too:

    #422 SalarymaninSeoul: “Obama has also executed US citizens and thereby violated the constitutional protections granted to ALL citizens, no matter how distasteful we may find them. In the strike on al-Awlaki, not only was a US citizen assassinated (do you think anyone, even the president, should have the power to assassinate US citizens) but true to form, a child, al-Awlaki’s 16 year old son, was also assassinated….”

    First I would not glorify al-Awlaki that he was assassinated. He was an American citizen in open rebellion against the U.S. and a credible threat to Amerians. The U.S. had a warrant for him, which he did not answer. Obama put him on an assassination (don’t jump on the terminology, we don’t have a nice word for “OK to kill if necessary”) list, and the courts upheld the legality of the order. I’m glad the mo’fo is dead.

    Here’s the lesson: if you don’t want the U.S. to strike you down with a Zeus-like lightning bolt from high above, then don’t declare war on the U.S. and pose a credible threat to its citizens en masse.

    I would have supported any president who took that policy, even James F’in Buchanan, the worst president in the history of the United States.

    Put your blind hatred of Obama aside. Concentrate on real issues, or which there are many. The low hanging fruit of “do you support Obama killing children” looks sweet n’ easy to pluck, but it’ll poison your credibility.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Obama Boehner’s boss. Boehner is a Republican and Obama is not his boss.

  • jk641

    The stock market has dropped more than 400 points after Obama’s reelection.
    Not a good sign.

    It seems that I’m not the only person who has misgivings about Obama.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Obama isn’t Boehner’s boss

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Who woud have thought, a Libertarian who supports the state assassinating people.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Was the 16 year old son also a threat? Or is it ok since he’s only collateral damage? Maybe you should try to regain some of that ideological purity becayuse you are spouting off statist garbage a la Creo

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Or, more distrubingly, are you in support of the State asassinating anyone who is “in revolt against the State”? Is not answering to a warrant enough to get yourself killed?

  • Creo69

    “Obama Boehner’s boss. Boehner is a Republican and Obama is not his boss.”

    Obama’s boss? Obama’s bitch? Are we going to spend all afternoon squabbling over semantics?

    Whoot! Whoot! Team Obama! Team Obama!
    Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Team!

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #436 SalarymaninSeoul: “A Navy Seal can decide to shoot a child or not, and most likely would not shoot a kid point blank. A missile from a drone does not discriminate, so to get that number of kids and women dead, Obama is escalating the number of drone strikes DRAMATICALLY.”

    So, you would put American soldiers at point blank range because these murderers and terrorists can enjoy the comforts of their families and the human shields they provide.

    Yeah, find me a C-in-C who’ll make that tradeoff.**

    …ever serve your country, SalarymaninSeoul?
    ////////////////////////////////////////////
    (**Let’s not even talk about efficiency, dollars and cents, and the like)

  • Creo69

    “Was the 16 year old son also a threat?”

    Were the 3,000 people who died in the World Trade Center a threat to the terrorists around the world actively trying to destroy America?

    There are innocent victims in wars…that is a given.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    No, I would take American soldiers out altogether. Bring them home.

    As I said, I do not even recognize the legitimacy of “my country” so why would I serve it?

  • Creo69

    “As I said, I do not even recognize the legitimacy of “my country” so why would I serve it?”

    Don’t worry…it is not your country. You are just a scab who runs around collecting the benefits that your passport and citizenship provide to you while lacking the balls to really take a stand for what you purport to believe in ….by tossing your passport in the trash can TODAY!

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Creo,

    now you got it! Obama = terrorists. See, it wasnt so hard.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Creo,

    I already addressed that. I won’t rehash it. Read it over again at your leisure. Patriotism is a silly emotion. Get over it.

  • Creo69

    “now you got it! Obama = terrorists. See, it wasnt so hard.”

    President Obama is a patriot. Cowardly traitors like you who are rotting America from the inside out are the terrorists.

  • Creo69

    “Patriotism is a silly emotion. Get over it.”

    Funny…you seem to be pretty “patriotic” about holding on to your American passport and sponging off a country you hate.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    LOL:) Obama is a fascist who is in the process of running the economy into the ground. How patriotic.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #444 SalarymaninSeoul: “Or, more distrubingly, are you in support of the State asassinating anyone who is “in revolt against the State”? Is not answering to a warrant enough to get yourself killed?”

    That’s intellectual dishonesty. I think anyone who is wanted for violent criminal acts, in revolt against the U.S., does not answer a warrant for his arrest, and poses a credible threat to the lives of Americans en masse…

    …Yeah.

    What is your solution or suggestion?

  • jkitchstk

    # 447,
    “There are innocent victims in wars…that is a given.”

    Let me get this straight, you’re a Canadian Socialist but speak like a republican? Why do you say that there were American war victims on 9/11?

  • Creo69

    “LOL:) Obama is a fascist who is in the process of running the economy into the ground. How patriotic.”

    If that were true there would be no recovery in the auto, banking or housing industry….all of which are on the recovery now and were headed in the opposite direction when Obama took office. I know. You are going to tell me you are smarter than the economists that calculate these figures. That is why you are sitting in South Korea feeling sorry for yourself instead of being back in America promoting your values which you so fervently believe would turn every thing around in an instant.

    If only we could pull you away from your “peck, peck, peck” on the keyboard…we would all be saved!

    Some people are doers…some are whiners who run away from the job…you know which one you are.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    How do I sponge?

    1. I pay both taxes as well as all administrative fees necessary to renew my passport.
    2. I do not partake of any social programs in the US.
    3. I visit the US on business and contribute to the economy in a variety of ways.
    4. I do not vote, nor do I demand anything but to be left alone.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Joe, the octopus will defend itself. We do not have to cheer it on.

  • Creo69

    “I do not vote, nor do I demand anything but to be left alone.”

    “Demand to be left alone?” People who “want to be left alone” generally don’t sit on the Internet bad mouthing America all day long.

    Give up your passport. America will be glad to leave you alone. We don’t need people like you in the first place. People like you with no love of country and pent up hatred end up coming home and setting up shop in front of a Federal building in a van full of fertilizer.

    We have seen your type many times before.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Which isnt true. I will not be left alone if I give up my passport. I will still be on the hook to the IRS for years afterwards. So whats the upside for me?

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #440 jk641: “The stock market has dropped more than 400 points after Obama’s reelection. Not a good sign.

    It seems that I’m not the only person who has misgivings about Obama.”

    You’re in a select club with about 49.5% of the electorate and 60 million others.

    Obama’s reelection is highly unlikely to be the cause of the market drop. Money is amazingly prescient and knew the results of the election before Karl Rove.

    I have not seen the news, and don’t know what else is happening in the world, but if the blow dried hair are making a connection between the election and the stock market results, anyone with any financial or economic understanding knows that the co-incidents of the Obama’s reelection and the stock market drop was not through causation.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #458 SalarymaninSeoul: “Joe, the octopus will defend itself. We do not have to cheer it on.”

    …and the fat man eats at midnight. …shhhh

  • Creo69

    “Which isnt true. I will not be left alone if I give up my passport. I will still be on the hook to the IRS for years afterwards. So whats the upside for me?”

    Problem solved (see article below)…Pay your exit fee (far cheaper than paying taxes on you income for the rest of your life) and you are free and clear.

    We both know you will have an excuse as to why you don’t do this…as thousands of others already have….you simply don’t have the brass for it.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303879604577410021186373802.html

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    Obama put him on an assassination (don’t jump on the terminology, we don’t have a nice word for “OK to kill if necessary”) list, and the courts upheld the legality of the order.

    No court has approved Obama’s extrajudicial killings of United States citizens.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Exactly right, Brendon. Joe is making things up as he goes along.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Again, I have never encountered a libertarian who approves of extrajudicial killings, Obama’s drone attacks, the war on drugs and makes excuses for the State in each of these cases. Joe, I call bullshit on your liberterianism.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #464 Brendon Carr: “No court has approved Obama’s extrajudicial killings of United States citizens.”

    #465 SalarymaninSeoul: Exactly right, Brendon. Joe is making things up as he goes along.”

    in anticipation of this moment, I made up an article in the Wall St. Journal. WSJ: Judge Dismisses Targeted-Killing SuitJudge Dismisses Targeted-Killing Suit “A federal judge on Tuesday dismissed a challenge to the Obama administration’s targeted-killing program, meaning the U.S. can continue to go after a Yemeni-American cleric whom it blames for terrorist plots.”

    (for the purposes of such a colloquial log, I will state that the courts, in a challenge by al-Awaqi’s father two weeks before the drone strike, did not strike down the legality of the order.)

    …on a personal note, how was your week counselor?

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Joe, your claim to libertarianism is why I have long since moved past libertarianism: way too big an umbrella, and even state apologists find room under it for themselves.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #466 SalarymaninSeoul: “Again, I have never encountered a libertarian who approves of extrajudicial killings, Obama’s drone attacks, the war on drugs and makes excuses for the State in each of these cases. Joe, I call bullshit on your liberterianism.”

    I do not approve of extrajudicial killings, do not necessarily approve of drone attacks, absolutely DO NOT APPROVE of the war on drugs.

    You just want to conflate philosophical libertarianism with a blind hatred for Obama.

    …on a side note SalarymaninSeoul, what do you recommend be done with OBL and other terrorists?

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    A federal judge on Tuesday dismissed a challenge to the Obama administration’s targeted-killing program, meaning the U.S. can continue to go after a Yemeni-American cleric whom it blames for terrorist plots.

    I think you need to read that article more carefully. A case dismissed for lack of standing does not constitute a ruling on the merits of the claim. No court has approved Obama’s extrajudicial killings of United States citizens.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Capture them, bring them to court, convict and then put them to death. But any killing not on a battlefield is murder. And opens uo way too many doors.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    468 SalarymaninSeoul: “Joe, your claim to libertarianism is why I have long since moved past libertarianism: way too big an umbrella, and even state apologists find room under it for themselves.

    Did you move out from under a way too big umbrella and into a tiny cave?

    Let me sum up my philosophy in one sentence: If you don’t infringe on my freedom, of speech, my freedom of movement, my freedom of… then I don’t give a rat’s ass what you do. How’s that for libertarianism as a philosophy?

    The extension of this is that I believe in traffic lights and stop signs. Now you tell me my philosophy on Obama’s drug policy.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    BC, I think that you need to reread my changed statement about “did not strike down the legality of the order.”

    You also should read the WSJ article I linked to:

    “Matthew Miller, a Justice Department spokesman, said the ruling “recognized that a leader of a foreign terrorist organization who rejects our system of justice cannot enjoy the protection of our courts while plotting strikes against Americans.”

    The court’s ruling suggests the government can “carry out the targeted killing of any American, anywhere, whom the president deems to be a threat to the nation,” said ACLU lawyer Jameel Jaffer.

    Your week just keeps on keepin’ on.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #SalarymaninSeoul: Capture them, bring them to court, convict and then put them to death. But any killing not on a battlefield is murder.”

    The U.S. issued a formal invitation (called a warrant) for him to show up in court.

    There seems to be a whole lot of outstanding warrants and therein lies an excellent opportunity: Why don’tcha go into the bounty huntin’ business so that you can “capture them, bring them to court, convict and then put them to death.”

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    Anonymous_Joe — Unsurprisingly, the Obama spokesman misrepresents the meaning of that ruling.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    Ok, counselor, counter to your previous statement you would agree that the case was not heard for “lack of standing.” Is that correct?

    Do you prefer the ACLU attorney’s interpretation, counselor:

    “The court’s ruling suggests the government can ‘carry out the targeted killing of any American, anywhere, whom the president deems to be a threat to the nation’ ”

    On yet another side note, if sometime you (second person, plural) want to take me through my paces on any position that I hold for whatever stated reason, bring it. I honestly hope that I get schooled. It means that I learned something. My anonymous ego can stand it.

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    Probably not because our social services are mismanaged, bloated and like all big government bureaucracies, a bit self serving.

    Everything after “because” is a misdirection. Our social services are not helping those who need help. Full stop.

    Furthermore, is it always the government’s job to help everyone who needs it? There are private organizations out there as well who do a fine job.

    If private organizations did such a fine job, why do we have such shit show in our hands?

    Lastly, there are a lot of people who need help, for one reason or another, that cannot be helped due to issues of character, personal background, drug use or mental capacity.

    So you prefer that they go die in a ditch?

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    #426, what makes you think that other than being a lawyer?

    Because you spent hours and hours arguing against “the constitutional protections granted to ALL citizens, no matter how distasteful we may find them.” Suddenly, you are a fan of universal rights, untethered to the behaviors of the right-holder.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    The media is already talking about who will run for the presidency in 2016. Well, whoever runs I will be voting Republican. I just hope the Republican nominee is not that blowhard Chris Christie because it will pain me to vote for him.

    The obvious choice for me is Marco Rubio. In fact, I was disappointed that Marco Rubio did not run this time. He would have won. My second choice would be New Mexico Governor Susana Martinez, who impressed me with her speech at the Republican National Convention. I think either of these people could easily win the 2016 presidential election.

    Governor Susana Martinez RNC Speech

  • JK

    You are so ignorant. Marco Rubio would NOT have won if he had run this year. You have to have been known on the national stage first, and most of the nation did not know who he was up until the RNC.

    The fact that you have automatically decided to vote Republican without even knowing who the candidate will be says much about you. And remember how you used to criticize Koreans for supposed regionalism when it came to their presidential elections?

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    JK wrote (#480):

    You are so ignorant. Marco Rubio would NOT have won if he had run this year. You have to have been known on the national stage first, and most of the nation did not know who he was up until the RNC.

    How many people really know the candidates before they get up on stage in a Primary debate? People would have quickly sensed Marco Rubio’s sincerity, passion, and charisma.

    JK wrote:

    The fact that you have automatically decided to vote Republican without even knowing who the candidate will be says much about you. And remember how you used to criticize Koreans for supposed regionalism when it came to their presidential elections?

    What it says about me is that I vote on my principles, and I share more principles with Republicans than with Democrats. I do not vote based on skin color, good looks, sex, or sexual orientation.

    And, “No,” I do not remember what I said about regionalism, but I suspect it was nothing good.

    You do know, JK, that there is a big difference between party affiliation and regional affiliation. If we did not share the same principles, I would not vote for even my sister, much less someone from the same town, state, or region.

  • JK

    Gbevers,

    You’re apparently as guilty of the same things you accuse Koreans of doing. Party affiliation in THIS country (meaning the US) since 1964 HAS based in large part on regionalism (and race).

    It was Lyndon B. Johnson who predicted that by signing into law the Civil Rights Bill of 1964 that the Democrats had lost “the South” (meaning the white portion of it). Racists like Strom Thurmond and later Trent Lott who were Democrats migrated to the Republican Party after the signing of this bill giving blacks full rights as US citizens. Soon former white segregationists were voting Republican while African-Americans were voting Democrat.

    Since then, Republican Presidential candidates from Nixon to Reagan to Bush I (with the aid of Lee Atwater) and Bush II have, to varying degrees, used the “Southern strategy” to get white votes in the South. Reagan was noted for making references to “states’ rights” when successfully campaigning in 1980, which was a code word for “we don’t want the federal gov’t telling us what to do…including our state policies of racial segregation.”

    Until Obama ran in 2008, most of the white votes in the South went Republican while most of the black votes went Democrat. What changed in 2008 and 2012 was that more Southern states went with the Democratic candidate than in the previous elections.

    Now, Bevers, hopefully having learned something about US history after reading this post, let me ask: Do you REALLY not think regionalism (and race) did not play a strong role in American politics from 1964 to 2004 (and maybe even into 2008 and 2012)?

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    JK wrote (#482):

    You’re apparently as guilty of the same things you accuse Koreans of doing. Party affiliation in THIS country (meaning the US) since 1964 HAS based in large part on regionalism (and race).

    Are you dyslexic, JK, or have some kind mental deficiency? I just wrote that I do not vote based on race or regional affiliation. And your claim is wrong. Any American can affliate with the Republican party, regardless of race or where they live.

    JK wrote:

    Now, Bevers, hopefully having learned something about US history after reading this post, let me ask: Do you REALLY not think regionalism (and race) did not play a strong role in American politics from 1964 to 2004 (and maybe even into 2008 and 2012)?

    Politics between 1964 and 2004 was not the topic, JK. My beliefs and affiliation was the topic.

  • JK

    Bevers,

    You can try your nice dodge/being disingenuous/play ignorant game with commenters like Hoju and Frogmouth (who, btw, know your game), but I’ll call you on it everytime you do it, like I’m about to do now.

    You made the general comment “You do know, JK, that there is a big difference between party affiliation and regional affiliation” implying that regionalism does not happen in the US. I showed that it clearly has in recent history. Don’t try to dodge, but I was addressing your specific claim that regionalism has not played a role in party affiliation.

    As for your “principles” pray tell what are they that cause you to vote Republican so consistently? Is it their mantra of smaller gov’t? Wasn’t it George W. Bush who grew the federal government dramatically? Is it their call to reduce spending and practice fiscal responsibility? Well, your man W pushed through some of the biggest spending increases along with tax cuts in history, resulting in record-breaking deficits.

    You know the last time we had budget surpluses? Under President Clinton.

    So what, pray tell, are your guiding principles that guide you to vote Republican so consistently?

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    JK wrote (#484):

    You made the general comment “You do know, JK, that there is a big difference between party affiliation and regional affiliation” implying that regionalism does not happen in the US.

    Implied only in your tiny mind. In the very next sentence I made it very clear: “If we did not share the same principles, I would not vote for even my sister, much less someone from the same town, state, or region.”

    I believe the United States should be a world leader with a strong military. I believe in strong law enforcement, including the enforcement of our immigration laws, but also believe we have too many laws and regulations. I believe in the death penalty. I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of religion. I believe in individual and states rights. I believe in free enterprise. I believe in a simpler tax code. And I believe there are too many people living off the government. I am also anti-abortion.

    Do I sound like a Democrat?

  • DLBarch

    With over 485 comments so far, I don’t know whether anyone above already commented on this, but, hey, it seems 2MB for one is pretty gushing in his congratulatory letter (who writes letters anymore?!) to America’s commander-in-chief.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/korearealtime/2012/11/08/lee-congratulates-his-pal-obama/

    Of course, we all know 2MB is a comsymp stooge.

    Still, given how adept President Obama is at killing America’s enemies, I’d imagine Chong Wa Dae SHOULD be pretty happy to have him around for another four years.

    DLB

  • JK

    “I believe the United States should be a world leader with a strong military. I believe in strong law enforcement, including the enforcement of our immigration laws, but also believe we have too many laws and regulations. I believe in the death penalty. I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of religion. I believe in individual and states rights. I believe in free enterprise. I believe in a simpler tax code. And I believe there are too many people living off the government. I am also anti-abortion….Do I sound like a Democrat?”

    Yes, for your first point (do Democrats want the US to be a weak follower with a weak military?), the second point, the fourth point (since when were Democrats against freedom of speech and religion?), the fifth point, the sixth point, the seventh, and the eighth. Based on these specific points, you sound VERY MUCH like a Democrat.

    As for your self-description as being “anti-abortion”, you might as well also call yourself “anti-choice.” They may mean the same thing, but even with this delicate issue, the two terms each have their own spin.

    So it sounds like you are a full-fledged Democrat who is anti-choice and who supports the death penalty (and in terms of that, I’d love to know your views of DNA evidence for those convicts awaiting execution).

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    The obvious choice for me is Marco Rubio. In fact, I was disappointed that Marco Rubio did not run this time. He would have won.

    Marco Rubio? A glib, good-looking first term Senator? What could go wrong?

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    @488, who do you like? Palin once again?

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    David Brooks managed to capture my Asian American voting style:

    The Pew Research Center does excellent research on Asian-American and Hispanic values. Two findings jump out. First, people in these groups have an awesome commitment to work. . . . Second, they are also tremendously appreciative of government. In survey after survey, they embrace the idea that some government programs can incite hard work, not undermine it; enhance opportunity, not crush it. . . . For these people, the Republican equation [of more government = less vitality] is irrelevant.

    MOAR government please, thank you.

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    Based on these specific points, you sound VERY MUCH like a Democrat.

    Reminds me of these lines from the Shawshank Redemption:

    Andy: I have no enemies here.
    Red: Yeah? Wait a while. Word gets around. The Sisters have taken quite a likin’ to you. Especially Boggs.
    Andy: I don’t suppose it would help if I told them that I’m not homosexual.
    Red: Neither are they. You have to be human first. They don’t qualify.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Brendon wrote (#488):

    Marco Rubio? A glib, good-looking first term Senator? What could go wrong?

    Do you think Marco Rubio is a Barack Obama? Is there anything in the voting record of Marco Rubio that scares you?

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    JK wrote (#487):

    Based on these specific points, you sound VERY MUCH like a Democrat.

    So the Democrats do not want to cut money from the military? And the Democrats want to enforce our immigrantion laws?

    JK wrote:

    As for your self-description as being “anti-abortion”, you might as well also call yourself “anti-choice.”

    Or I could call myself “anti-baby-killer.” As long as you get the idea.

    By the way, Obama supports all forms of abortion, including partial-birth abortion. If you don’t know what that is, you might want to watch this demo video. Don’t worry. They use a doll, not a real baby.

    Dr. Lile PBA Partial Birth Abortion Demo Pro-Life

  • Q

    It’s quite odd combination: enforced military sex slavery denier, prostitution frequenter, and anti-abortion pro-life…

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    Easy to reconcile, Q (#494). Bevers may strike you as nutty, but he always takes prophylactic precautions. Why, in his buff, younger days, he even looked like a condom stuffed with walnuts!

    Jeffery Hodges

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  • CactusMcHarris

    #495,

    I call you on that one, my esteemed JH – everyone knows sailors have bigger units.

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    Yes, but as the late Kurt Vonnegut said in a different context, “most of it in another dimension.”

    Jeffery Hodges

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  • jkitchstk

    David Frum – Former Bush speech writer – GOP fleeced and lied to by “conservative entertainment complex”

    You mean constructing an alternative universe and demonizing Americans of all stripes as anti American isn’t a plan for success? The truth hurt too much so Morning Joe, Rush Limbaugh, FoxNews etc…all lied or really don’t believe in mathematics.
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/david-frum-republicans-have-been-lied-to-and-exploited-by-a-conservative-entertainment-complex/

  • slim

    500th, bros!