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Early Weekend Open Thread #263

Say, did anyone happen to catch the Romney-Obama debate?

  • JW

    First! Brendon Carr you are a good luck charm!

  • JW

    “I’ve got a plan for pre existing condition all right. It’s called the EMERGENCY ROOM, you ever heard?”

  • JW
  • jk641

    Who smashed the chair?

  • jk641

    Before the discussion gets nasty, I would like to say,
    “Let’s play nice, children.” :)

  • brier

    Only have read a few articles but I guess its your artistic statement to Eastwood’s monologue at the convention?

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #3,

    In other words, he’ll say anything if he thinks it will get him elected, even if it involves going against what he believes.

  • redwhitedude

    Exactly SomeguyinKorea,
    Romney is willing to say anything to get elected.

  • http://www.busanhaps.com Bobby McGill

    Haven’t seen it yet. But not good when the first story I see in my news feed is “Biden defends Obama’s debate performance.”

  • jkitchstk

    # 3,
    I’ll bet all those ER nurses around the country aren’t too happy with Romney marketing their “free” services. Some of those nurses can be a bit feisty, I’m sure they’d enjoy treating Romney for something. I remember one nurse telling me how she enjoys sticking a tube down the nose or mouth, past the food pipe and into the stomach of patients with alcohol poisoning.
    Ohhh Mr. Romney, if you could be so lucky.

  • JG29A

    Big loser in the debate: senile Jim Lehrer.

    The whole journalism profession should apologize for allowing such a major event to be so badly mismanaged by a museum piece.

  • tapadamornin

    So Psy’s Gangnam Style has hit the American mainstream to the point where it’s being used to parody the election:

    http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6830834/mitt-romney-style-gangnam-style-parody

  • broona

    #12, that was hilarious!

  • Wedge

    Obviously, that whole presidential gig wasn’t as cool as he thought it would be, so he’s not even trying. However, he needs to put a bit more effort in or the frothing lefties will curse his name for millenia.

  • Wedge

    Sorry, meant to write that as “He,” “He’s” and “His.”

  • Yu Bum Suk

    “Romney is willing to say anything to get elected.”

    I completely agree. Unfortunately I don’t think Obama is *that* much different in that regard.

  • Wedge

    “Romney is willing to say anything to get elected.”

    Which politician in history has not?

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #17,

    You’re missing the point.

  • SomeguyinKorea
  • judge judy

    the well-lubricated weathervane spins round and round and round and round…

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    it may be true that this psy thing is, in part, due to some western racism but so what? that would just be such a small part of what’s going on here. when you look at all those parodies of psy’s video, you don’t see people making fun of him, you see people trying to imitate his dance moves and video sequences. if i were psy, i’d be flattered.
    psy is no william hung. if people made parodies of mr hung, you know what would happen. just some food for thought.

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/funny/page/3 Jakgani

    Hahahaha – I saw a disabled (mentally challenged) obese Korean man at the bus stop today, waiting for the bus, trying to Parody Psy’s “Gangnam Style” – I even thought the mentally challenged Obese Korean man looked similar to Psy.

    anyway, I think what Psy has done was good.

    it has shown the world “Korea” better than all the wasted-money things the Korean government has done in the past.

    —————————————————————

    Obama was in a bad mood the night of the debate.
    Thinking about it, I have never seen him so bad, maybe he was not feeling well.

    —————————————————–

  • redwhitedude

    I really don’t care much about who gets elected because after it. It will be business as usual.

  • Creo69

    “it may be true that this psy thing is, in part, due to some western racism but so what?”

    What? Did you ever think Asians also hold some responsibility for their own image and may partially be responsible for that “Funny Asian Guy” image that you all try to pass of as racism by whites.

    When a pudgy Korean entertainer goes and strips off his shirt and exposes his beer belly to the world while performing in downtown Seoul exactly what kind of image are people supposed to develop of him other than that of being something to snicker at. Is this what a “serious” performer who is trying to develop an image does?

  • JW

    What? Did you ever think Asians also hold some responsibility for their own image and may partially be responsible for that “Funny Asian Guy” image that you all try to pass of as racism by whites.

    You’re a very biased person. That would be tantamount to saying that one man’s idiotic behavior (not really Psy, but William Hung would qualify ) and the responsibility for that behavior should somehow compare to the responsibility of racist negligence of 10,000 people. Of course, I wouldn’t deny that Koreans can be just as racist, if that’s what you want to point out.

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    What? Did you ever think Asians also hold some responsibility for their own image and may partially be responsible for that “Funny Asian Guy” image that you all try to pass of as racism by whites.

    Do you also object to gay pride parades for perpetuating gay stereotypes?

  • Q

    Psy won # 1 at today’s Music Bank chart in Korea. Even the legendary DBDK(동방신기), so-called the king of kpop, could not compete vs. psy. Domestic kpop trend seems transitioning from handsome young boys dance groups to the soju-drinking energetic singer who fathered two kids. Seems a hopeful news to ajossis.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    “Is this what a “serious” performer who is trying to develop an image does?”

    Are you kidding?

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xflxdj_patrick-swayze-chris-farley-chippendales_fun

  • redwhitedude

    On psy,
    manboobs.

  • DLBarch

    I don’t know anything about any alleged racism behind the Psy/Gangnam-style phenomenon, and frankly this is the first I’ve heard of it, but I can say that among my circle of (younger) friends and colleagues, the enjoyment surrounding that song and video are pretty genuine.

    In fact, for all of Korea’s increased prominence on the world stage over the last two decades, the last time I can recall a Korean really becoming part of the daily American discourse (ya know, water cooler stuff) was when Park Chan-ho started pitching for the L.A. Dodgers. (And as a die-hard Giants fan, that’s a very hard sentence to have to acknowledge.)

    Personally, I think Psy is kind of a clownish oaf, albeit a talented one, and a lot of successful careers in entertainment have been built on just that quality.

    But racism? I just don’t see it in this case.

    DLB

  • Creo69

    ” Are you kidding?

    Someguyinkorea,

    That is exactly what I mean! The fat comedian Chris Farely knows people are going to laugh at him…he is using his obesity for humor…he does not expect to be taken seriously. Swayze gas an image to protect…when he takes his shirt off…for any reason it only enhances his career because he takes care of his body.

    Psy dancing around with his belly bouncing all over..hmmm…can’t imagine why anyone would view his act as part comedy. Can’t imagine why anyone would be laughing.

  • Creo69

    ” Personally, I think Psy is kind of a clownish oaf, albeit a talented one, and a lot of successful careers in entertainment have been built on just that quality.”

    Maybe he will tun out to be the Korean Jerry Lewis:-)

  • Creo69

    ” Do you also object to gay pride parades for perpetuating gay stereotypes?”

    Is there something wrong with stereotypes? If you could be honest with yourself for a minute you would realize there is a fair amount of truth behind many. Guess what…men do like sports. Sure some women do but let’s be serious. Koreans? I don’t think I can ever recall sitting down to a meal where kimchi wasn’t served or someone didn’t complain if it wasn’t.

    Your example of gay men? I have spent 30 years with them…there are good reasons for some of the stereotypes that apply to us as well. We depend upon sterotypes to help us with making decisions every day…That big guy is strong! He could kick my butt! Maybe, maybe not. She is a woman…I bet she needs some help with that big box…maybe maybe not. Sterotypes are a necessity of life and a starting point for many of our daily decisions.

    Have you ever considered that you are just overly sensitive and easily offended?

  • Arghaeri

    Not funny at all then!!

  • Creo69

    ” You’re a very biased person. That would be tantamount to saying that one man’s idiotic behavior (not really Psy, but William Hung would qualify ) and the responsibility for that behavior should somehow compare to the responsibility of racist negligence of 10,000 people. Of course, I wouldn’t deny that Koreans can be just as racist, if that’s what you want to point out.”

    JW,

    Personally I think you are just a drama queen, but what I do know is that men like John Wayne and many others through the years have had a strong impact on how American men have been viewed by the world. I never liked the “Marlboro Man” but he shaped the reputation of my father’s generation quite well.

  • Creo69

    And considering that the only Korean men the “Western” world really knows of in the realm of media are “Rain” and now “Psy,” Korean men might want to encourage “Rain” to push this guy out of the spotlight and ask “PSY” politely to keep his shirt on if they really care about the brand image of the “Korean Man.”

    Like it or not, the media has a powerful influence on people. And this guy doing the “Horse Dance” with his belly hanging out is the image the world is currently receiving of Korean men.

  • JW

    Personally I think you are just a drama queen, but what I do know is that men like John Wayne and many others through the years have had a strong impact on how American men have been viewed by the world. I never liked the “Marlboro Man” but he shaped the reputation of my father’s generation quite well.

    What is your point? My point is that people should be held responsible for allowing media imagery of a limited number of people cloud their judgements about entire categories of people. The sum total of that responsibility is in a different category than the responsibility of the limited number of people in the media who are the source of that imagery. For some reason, this basic truth seems to have flew over your head, because from the looks of it you seem to be a very very biased person.

  • Creo69

    “My point is that people should be held responsible for allowing media imagery of a limited number of people cloud their judgements about entire categories of people. ”

    And exactly how will you hold them accountable? Start giving out fines. Trust me, you are as guilty as anyone. You have the Ipad, the Samsung smart phone and all the brand name clothes. Whose judgment is clouded by the media my friend?

  • JW

    And exactly how will you hold them accountable?

    By telling them?

  • Creo69

    “By telling them?”

    Facebook Ads? Google Ads? Something tells me that the media, no matter which country you are referring too, has you well out gunned. Give it your best though. It will give Gerry a break from you.

  • tinyflowers

    I don’t know anything about any alleged racism behind the Psy/Gangnam-style phenomenon, and frankly this is the first I’ve heard of it, but I can say that among my circle of (younger) friends and colleagues, the enjoyment surrounding that song and video are pretty genuine.

    Same here. I don’t think racism has much to do with the phenomenon. It certainly doesn’t account for the popularity, though perhaps the novelty of race and “foreignness” plays a role.

    But of course there will always be guys like creo who apparently holds some unfortunate racist stereotypes about the “Funny Asian Guy” and insists on interpreting the Psy phenomenon through that prism (and at the same time blaming Asians for his own racism).

    There’s definitely an ugly flip side to the phenomenon, as creo demonstrates, but for the most part, it’s genuine enjoyment.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    ” I never liked the “Marlboro Man” but he shaped the reputation of my father’s generation quite well.”

    And three of them died of lung cancer…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlboro_Man#Controversy

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    Imperial Japan: Too dirty and dangerous. Let’s get the Koreans to do it.

    http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2012/10/05/2012100501259.html

  • Creo69

    “But of course there will always be guys like creo who apparently holds some unfortunate racist stereotypes about the “Funny Asian Guy” and insists on interpreting the Psy phenomenon through that prism (and at the same time blaming Asians for his own racism).”

    Nice try but no thanks…many Asians have wrote about this stereotype in tge media in the last few weeks and it was raised on this thread by an Asian before I began to discuss the possible reasons for it…again, reasons that are not anything new.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #41,

    The irony is that nobody would have brought it up if it wasn’t for that one article. Before then, he was just a funny guy with a very slick video and a catchy tune in a strange language with English hooks.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    …still is, except for those who feel threatened by him, apparently.

  • Creo69

    Seems to me that the world has embraced him with open arms, and yet, some Asian men choose to search for some sinister plot behind his popularity in the “West.” You might want to rethink your ideas on who really feels threatened by him and whatever he represents.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    Returning to Romney…

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/bitch-got-dancing-horse-why-snoop-dogg-isnt-voting-mitt-romney

    Can’t argue with that…Bitch got a dancing horse.

  • tinyflowers

    Nice try but no thanks…many Asians have wrote about this stereotype in tge media in the last few weeks and it was raised on this thread by an Asian before I began to discuss the possible reasons for it…again, reasons that are not anything new.

    Yet, you’re the only one here talking about Psy as some “Funny Asian Guy” (a stereotype you profess to while saying “Asians also hold some responsibility for their own image”). You’re the one who characterized Psy as “something to snicker at” while going on and on about the damage it does to the image of “Korean men”

    Yes, there have been articles written about Psy’s popularity in the West being in part because, for some people, he’s nothing more than a subject of racist mockery. Curiously, you appear to be confirmation of that hypothesis.

    However, I stand by the belief that for the most part, the popularity of the Psy phenomenon is due to genuine enjoyment of his music and video. Thankfully, people like you are a tiny minority.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #47,
    “Seems to me that the world has embraced him with open arms, and yet, some Asian men choose to search for some sinister plot behind his popularity in the “West.” You might want to rethink your ideas on who really feels threatened by him and whatever he represents.”

    No, not at all. I also have my ideas as to why they feel threatened by Psy’s success.

  • Creo69

    ” Yes, there have been articles written about Psy’s popularity in the West being in part because, for some people, he’s nothing more than a subject of racist mockery. Curiously, you appear to be confirmation of that hypothesis.”

    Ah, no, I have read a couple of those articles and both that I read were in the English version of Asian newspapers written by Asians…complaining about how they believe they are perceived. Maybe western writers are writing about the same topic, but I haven’t come across those articles, not saying they don’t exist. I just haven’t been keeping up with western newspapers lately.

  • Creo69

    …”Asians also hold some responsibility for their own image”). You’re the one who characterized Psy as “something to snicker at” while going on and on about the damage it does to the image of “Korean men”

    Asians do have a responsibility for their image….the horse dance is pretty damn funny (do you really think it was meant to be taken seriously?) And, when there are so few images of Korean men in Western media, like it or not, PSY is a representative of Korean society and the image of Korean men. That is how media works.

  • tinyflowers

    Ah, no, I have read a couple of those articles and both that I read were in the English version of Asian newspapers written by Asians

    You’re not making any sense. I made no mention of the nationality of the writers. You need to read more carefully.

    I’m not sure where you live, but in America, the typical Asian stereotype is someone who is studious, serious, dependable and boring. Psy couldn’t be more different from the typical stereotype, so I’m not sure where you’re going with that. Psy’s popularity probably has something to do with him *defying stereotypes*. The novelty of an Asian with swag. There you go.

  • Railwaycharm

    Romney kicked Obie’s ass!

  • Creo69

    ” I’m not sure where you live, but in America, the typical Asian stereotype is someone who is studious, serious, dependable and boring. ”

    Born and raised in the USA…eight years in Asia. See what I am saying about stereotypes, there is some truth in them. Anyone who has lived in Asia will confirm the vast majority of Asian students study wayyy more than western students. This is not a stereotype it is a fact supported by statistics. The other 75% of the sterotype, false.

    Koreans do loveeeee kimchi though and don’t even try to tell me that is a false stereotype…they love that stuff and sing its praises day and night!

  • Q

    I do not see any taint of racism in these Americans dancing at a club party. They seem genuinely enjoying it:

    http://youtu.be/RFV3gzh5eHs

    Polish also seem simply having fun with the dance. Do anyone smell any ‘kimchi’ in it?:

    http://youtu.be/SgiL2dYHTgA

    Australians:

    http://youtu.be/xPUmRX7rzM4

    Obama Style:

    http://youtu.be/Xwh8kWuire8

    vs.

    Mitt Romney Style:

    http://youtu.be/BDaA4WKoYEA

  • Q

    Does anyone smell “kimchi” in these American kids?

    http://youtu.be/OQP3NfhsVxk

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    creo’s argument is ridiculous for the simple fact that psy didn’t make the video for the west. he made it for korea. if you look at psy’s other songs, they have a similar feel. psy didn’t know this was going to happen to his song. he said he made it for koreans because there’s so much stress in korean society. he wanted to make a fun video. i think the world is laughing with psy not at him. i thought i made that clear in my first post. lastly, about the asians writing on this subject, one of the most cited articles is written by a guy with an indian sounding name. most people don’t include indian dudes in their ne asian stereotypes. they have a different image here.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    Hummm… I didn’t know Ahn Cheol-soo went to Wharton.

    http://www.thedp.com/article/2012/10/penn-alum-running-for-president-of-south-korea

  • iMe

    I don’t know about Psy/racism but Brendon, that picture of a shattered chair you posted is definitely racist.

    Shame on you.

    I will now go back to watching MSNBC.

  • iMe

    WK @57
    I am sorry. I am going to need more concrete, irrefutable proof that Ahn went to UPenn. Unedited video clips of him studying/graduating from UPenn, sworn testimonies from fellow students and faculty members, that kind of thing.

  • bumfromkorea

    @iME

    Oh please. Like people can’t fabricate that kind of things. ;)

  • MrMao

    I came here to learn something, and all you clowns can tell me is that Psy is racially prejudiced against Koreans. I’m out of here. Happy Thanksgiving.

  • CactusMcHarris
  • CactusMcHarris

    And I warn you against doing the closeup – it appears to me that her sister (a pre-op trannie) is representing her.

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    I came here to learn something

    Well, that was your first mistake.

  • inkevitch

    That’s some dumb shit Creo. The guys a comedic entertainer. He does not have a responsibility to project an image of being a handsome young man. Besides through his video millions of people world wide have seen how hot Korean women can be.

    And while I still think this is largely a flash in the pan, there is now objective evidence that pawi is more correct than many give him credit for.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19824491

  • DLBarch

    With this in thought-provoking (and provocative) essay in mind — http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/10/israel-ungrateful-ally.html — let me state for the record that for all my criticism of what I consider the serious failings of South Korean national security and trade policy, Seoul is EXPONENTIALLY a better ally.

    DLB

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    chinese angry and pissed off again at koreans and psy.

    http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2012/10/chinas-lack-of-gangnam-style-the-looming-k-pop-war-machine/

    anger. envy. kpop WAR machine?

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/funny/page/3 Jakgani

    #43 What the English Chosun forgot to mention was that “The island was populated from 1887 to 1974 as a coal mining facility”.

    So who was working in the mines from 1945 ~ 1974?

  • Q

    Documentary on forced labor in a coal mine on Hashima Island:

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xt4s4n_yyyyy-yyy-y-yyy_school

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    Jakgani,

    I’ll bet you that the conditions were exponentially better from 45-74 than in 10-45.

  • gbnhj

    #65: “Does this mean that the departure isn’t just cosmetic?”

    Good one :) It looks like they’re fast-tracking their disassociation with Jung. And, if you notice, share prices rose on her departure. Dirty water getting made clean.

  • commander

    It’s funny to see all the over-analysis of the Gangnam Style and Psy popularity phenomenon. It’s simply a funny, silly, hip and catchy song/video bordering on comic genius. The positive vibes ranging from the dance floors of Europe to the sport arenas of America to the college campuses in Singapore to the countryside weddings in New Zealand to… far outweigh any miniscule pockets of negativity and snippy creo commentary out there. The concert in Seoul was another PR home run for psy, man boob exhibition notwithstanding.

  • Arghaeri

    The novelty of an Asian with swag.

    I’m confused, one moment he’s supposed to be a soft comical guy, the next a hardened criminal with his ill gotten gains. :-)

  • Anathema

    #69, where in that article does it say the Chinese are angry at Koreans and Psy?

  • Arghaeri

    That bastard Psy letting down Korea with his cringeworthy stuff, why can’t he do serious stuff like thise in the west, lets all hear it now

    Agadoo doo doo push pineapple shake the tree
    Agadoo doo doo push pineapple grind coffee
    To the left to the right jump up and down and to the knees

    Ah classic music, nobody does it better than the masculine serious Brits.

  • Arghaeri

    #69, where in that article does it say the Chinese are angry at Koreans and Psy?

    Anethama, me thinks Pawi needs to read his dictionary, for it appears he hath misunderstood the term “angst”.

  • Q

    ‘Mitt Romney Style’ link does not work any more. Here is a new one that should work:

    http://youtu.be/_hR-_gBZhPc

  • PineForest

    Cheating Scumsuckers: Way to taint the US team with Korean badness, douchebags:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/olympics–u-s–speedskater-admits-to-sabotaging-opponent-s-skate–faces-sanctions.html

  • DLBarch

    For all the fellow golfers out there on MH, this is just RIDICULOUS!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmHKs9ziowk

    The man is just blessed by an generous higher power!

    DLB

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    i know what angst means, guy. the chinese are pissed and angry. did you see the word ‘invasion’? did you see the title? kpop is now kpop war machine? china so big yet so petty. afraid of a tiny nation thats got little tiny about it.

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    Enough of Psy’s “Gangnam Style”! Let’s return to Al Gore Rhythm!

    Al’s demonstrating an inconvenient truth about the Denver climate’s effect on Obama’s debate style — hard to even stand up at such heady political summits!

    Jeffery Hodges

    * * *

  • Arghaeri

    and you took those terms literally Pawi rather than figuratively LOL. Way to go, keep up the good work. You’d better preapate to flee since the article also mentions a planned K-Pop invasion of the US. :-)

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    yeah f*k u argaeri. dont misunderstand that, ok?

  • Arghaeri

    don’t forget to pack you’re valuables in case. your felllow angry americans think you’re one the invading koreans and not one its home grown ones….

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    white people’s racism here in the states is overblown, arghaeri. you see the guy in the white house?

  • Arghaeri

    who said anything about race?

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    are you drunk?

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    can i ask something? why is that everybody in the world can copy the black man’s music but it’s the koreans who are singled out? i don’t see anybody going after the french for jazz. ain’t nobody going after elvis. go to youtube and type in the ‘fantastic four germany rap’. see a bunch of german dudes doing rap. then type in ‘israel rap’, and you’ll see israelis acting like thugs when they ain’t acting like thugs in their real lives.

    the black man’s gift to humanity is music. everybody copies his style because he’s a musical genius. ain’t nothing wrong with koreans doing the same.

  • Arghaeri

    are you drunk?

    Working on it, but too early yet. You?

    BTW You didn’t answer the question, who mentioned race?

  • Arghaeri

    ain’t nobody going after elvis

    You don’t know your own countries history, loads of people went after Elvis, get of the meths Pawi.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #90,

    You sound like someone I know. He’s schizophrenic.

  • guitard

    It’s kind of a shame that Hyun-a hasn’t been able (allowed?) to capitalize more on the success of Gangnam Style. If nothing else – it would have been nice for her to appear at the big free concert a couple of nights ago in Seoul.

  • RolyPoly

    guitard,
    Don’t worry about HyunA. She is a sponsor with a big pocket.

    I watched her from the beginning of The Four Minute girl group. Somehow, she was promoted out of the group, with heavy capital investment. Rocketed to a stratosphere.

    As a recent high school grad, HyunA started to behave weird. Very strange. I think she wants to be like Madonna.

  • RolyPoly

    In the “Bubble Pop” song, she started to swivel her hips in and out so fast that it was no longer sexy but dirty. I liked HyunA up to that point, but that dance showed where she came from. The cesspool.

    It was great that Korean government stopped the dance and told her to tone it down. After all, we are not Brazillians or even American; Koreans have standards. We are not dirty people.

    HyunA started to do “Heartbreaker” where she and a boy start touching each other while singing. This was another dance that was very close to be shut down but they let it go.

    If she does another dirty routine, Korean government will shut her down and send her away. Korean entertainment industry is very small group run by one mafia group. When threatened, it cleans itself.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    yeah, that must be why elvis is treated as some kind of musical legend. yeah, lots of people hounded him, eh? lots of yahoos.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    btw, ur style of argument is very japanese. you didnt disprove my point. whites have been copying black styles just like koreans have been doing. btw, someguy, didnt you say you’re latino?

  • CactusMcHarris

    pawi,

    Your Hitler has a Buddhist swastika – that’s some great anachronistic work on the avatar. I would have thought that the rabid nationalist in you would have known the difference, but I’m often wrong.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    yeah, piss on buddhism. how’s that for a nationalist? anyway, here’s a link to a young japanese guy who says it’s the japanese who are the vicitms and they on par with koreans and chinese. i wonder how he feels about yasukuni.

    http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2012/10/06/letter-bombs-24-21st-century-schizoid-man/

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    i was at youtube the other day and was looking at a long list of kpop videos. like i said, i’m not too familiar with all these groups so i just clicked one from a group called exo. when i started watching the video, i was a bit confused because the guys started singing in chinese without any korean accent. i started to wonder if this was a chinese video accidently put on a list for kpop. what surprised me about the video was, it was so fricking high in quality and the dance moves were second to none. i thought the chinese might be catching up to the levels of quality you see in kpop vids. i wondered how china could have caught up so fast. this promted me to research this group, exo.
    well, of course, they’re prodcued by koreans and sponsered by korean companies. whew! that was close. i know the chinese will catch up one day…

  • sojufan_5944

    commander, excellent post. Couldn’t agree with you more.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    Q,

    Mitt Romney Style was hilarious!

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    i thought klingon style was better.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    is this the kind of police you want, korea? here the police can kill you for just feeling afraid. dont matter if you have no weapon. the police can shoot you dead. i want to know about this. why no call for backup? if the pig felt threatened, he couldnt run away until backup arrived? no mace? no baton? he had to shoot him dead?korea, you dont want no american style police.

    http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/local_news/mobile_county/some-students-shocked-by-usa-shooting

  • DLBarch

    If you’ve ever been in Alabama, you’ll understand that morbid obesity is practically a job requirement for law enforcement.

    So I doubt that putative bovine mall cop could have run away from anyone.

    DLB

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/funny/page/3 Jakgani

    don’t forget to pack you’re valuables in case. your felllow angry americans think you’re one the invading koreans and not one its home grown ones….

    his mother is Russian – so he is not exactly 100% Korean.

  • DLBarch

    It may not exactly be the preppy version of NASCAR, but next year’s America’s Cup in San Francisco is shaping up to be a real doozie.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLX1XPCQodk&feature=g-all-u

    Meanwhile, Team Korea is currently in seventh (out of 11 boats) in the last three days of racing…not bad at all for a team that’s now on its third skipper in 18 months and that is competing in the event for the first time.

    http://team-korea.americascup.com/news

    Team Korea may not win the Cup in 2013, but either way, Kim Dong-Young is gonna be the man of the hour in my book around this time next year.

    DLB

  • Arghaeri

    yeah, that must be why elvis is treated as some kind of musical legend. yeah, lots of people hounded him, eh? lots of yahoos.

    You really need to study history Pawi, what is now, is not what has always been. He is treated as a musical legend because he is one, but he was not always treated that way.

  • Arghaeri

    btw, ur style of argument is very japanese. you didnt disprove my point. whites have been copying black styles just like koreans have been doing.

    And you’re arguing like a korean, changing the argument whenever it suits.

    Your point wasn’t that others copied such styles, but that koreans were singled out for it, using the example of Elvis. This example was soundly rebutted since he was singled out and targeted by various groups.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #96 RolyPoly: “In the “Bubble Pop” song, she started to swivel her hips in and out so fast that it was no longer sexy but dirty. …It was great that Korean government stopped the dance and told her to tone it down. After all, we are not Brazillians or even American; Koreans have standards. We are not dirty people.”

    …or free people.

  • Q

    Japan Hot 100 at Billboard:

    http://www.billboard.com/charts#/charts/japan-hot-100

    Girls’ Generation was written as ‘Shojo Jidai.’ Seems too embarrassed to introduce them as Koreans.

  • Arghaeri

    I guess the irony of that remark is way beyond your level of comprehension Q.

  • Q

    BTW, Girls’ Generation won the #1 at Japan Hot 100 at Billboard.

  • Arghaeri

    Yep, it was Q is too embarassed to introduce Sonyeo Shidae SNSD as Korean! LOL

  • Q

    Yes, SNSD(소녀시대) is a Korean girl group. Of course.

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/funny/page/3 Jakgani

    been using Windows 8 on my desktop all weekend.

    I am actually starting to like it.

  • hardyandtiny

    “whites have been copying black styles just like koreans have been doing.”

    Yes, some whites and some East Asians.
    It goes on and on, and never ends. Black Americans derived the “blues” from Irish and British folk music.

  • hardyandtiny

    If Black Americans “created” The Blues than White Americans “created” Rock and Roll”.

  • hardyandtiny

    then

  • Q

    Chosun Biz reported about an interesting article of Shukan Daiyamondo:

    http://biz.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2012/10/07/2012100700984.html

    Shukan Daiyamondo basically says that Apple’s harsh business with contracting companies aggravates subjugation of Japanese firms (such as Sharp, Sony, and Toshiba) to Apple.

  • Q

    Korea Day parade in NYC:

    http://youtu.be/FoZj1MjhNRk

    I could not see any outcome of the culinary diplomacy of the first lady Kim Yoon-Ok.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝
  • Benjamin Wagner

    Korean Christian parents want to prevent their daughter from turning off a life support breathing tube. Daughter wins legal battle to end her own life then changes mind.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/nyregion/sungeun-grace-lee-changes-her-mind-and-decides-to-stay-on-life-support.html?_r=0

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/07/sungeun-grace-lee-terminally-ill-new-york-city-decides-to-stay-on-respirator_n_1946263.html

  • CactusMcHarris

    #100,

    Just what I’d expect a fucktard such as yourself would say – I’m glad you didn’t let me down.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    Japan needs to resolve their Showa era issues with China and Korea. It’s starting to cost them some serious change.

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-07/korean-automakers-thrive-in-china-as-japan-car-sales-plummet

    There should be an economic study on the costs of Japanese obstinance with its neighbors. I would hazard to guess it wouldn’t be a pretty number, particularly as China grows and Korea becomes a more effective competitor.

  • αβγδε

    About Psy and the image of Asian men… No problems here. If Psy has the power to aid in bumping up the soft power of Korea, then do you know what else he can do? Boost Kpop in general (which in turn bumps up Korea’s soft power again, and so on).

    And do you know what the interesting thing about Kpop is? It’s that it’s female-centric. That means, even the girl groups are really there to entertain the girls…through fashion, nice hair, nice dancing, cute main leads in their videos.

    It’s the males in Kpop that are driving attraction to Kpop. It’s attraction to Asian men- not the stereotypical yellow fever for Miss Oriental – that is driving not only Kpop but also Kdrama. That, right here, is the Heart of Hallyu, the guys, the novelty of finding Asian males sexually attractive.

    Psy is popular because the song and dance is cool and he’s not trying hard. No one has to worship him, and that meant that in America no one had to labor to become a fan of someone pretentious. And the effect of Psy, I believe, is: GATEWAY.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    I saw three full bus loads of South Korean sailors this weekend in Koreatown, Los Angeles. They must have been here for this:

    http://www.loscerritosnews.net/2012/10/02/free-concert-by-rok-navy-band-presented-at-the-ccpa/

  • CactusMcHarris

    That’d be awesome to see, and fellow haeguns to boot!

  • Q

    I’m concerned about lunch menu of school cafeteria. Japanese sea products have been served to students and teachers:

    http://www.cbci.co.kr/sub_read.html?uid=196685

    Korean government is not much different from Japanese government in that both of them are not caring about the health of their citizens.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    Gerry, I read your post about the Dokdo/Takeshima controversy on another site. I cannot vouch for the facts that you state and did no further research as to their validity; nonetheless, I’m very impressed.

    Korea certainly loses in the court of public opinion for their unwillingness to go to the ICJ. After reading your post, I fully understand their unwillingness.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    For others’ convenience, I will repost GB’s post about the Dokdo/Takeshima controversy:

    I have studied the history of Dokdo (Liancourt Rocks), and Koreans were not part of it until the Japanese started carrying them there on Japanese fishing boats in the early 1900s. The Japanese have maps of Liancourt Rocks dating back to the 1600s, but Korea has no old maps of the Rocks under any name.

    Numerous Japanese documents from as far back as the 1600s talk about Japanese fishermen traveling to Liancourt Rocks and fishing there, but Korea has no old documents showing that Koreans ever traveled there before the Japanese started taking them there on Japanese fishing boats in the 1900s. There is only two references in all of Korean history to an unnamed island visible to the east of Ulleungdo that was probably Liancourt Rocks, but one of those references clearly stated it was Japanese territory and the other “suggested” it.

    One of those references is the following July 22, 1714 entry in the official records of the Korean King Sukjong, which was part of a report on East Coast defenses. Korean fishermen told a Korean government inspector worried about a possible invasion from Japan the following:

    “I listened carefully to the people in the ports (浦人) who said, “Pyeonghae (平海) and Uljin (蔚珍) are closest to Ulleungdo, and there are no obstructions along the sea route. Visible to the east of Ulleung is an island attached to Japanese territory.”

    鬱陵之東 (East of Ulleung) 島嶼相望 (an island is visible) 接于倭境 (that is attached to Japanese territory).

    Koreans claim that “Dokdo” was made part of Uldo (Ulleungdo) County in 1900, but the document they point to as evidence does not mention Dokdo; it only mentions Ulleungdo, its neighboring island of Jukdo (2km offshore), and Seokdo (rocky islets). Some Koreans claim that “Seokdo” was a reference to Dokdo, but it was, in fact, only a catchall phrase used to include all the other “rocky islets” around Ulleungdo, including Ulleungdo’s second largest neighboring island of Gwaneumdo.

    Also, when the Japanese Resident-General asked the Korean Ministry of Interior in 1906 to clarify what islands belonged to Uldo County, Dokdo was not mentioned. In fact, it was excluded from Uldo County by the boundries given for the county, which was described as being 24km from east to west and 16km from north to south. Dokdo is outside that boundry since it is about 90km to the southeast of Ulleungdo. The following is a translation of a July 13, 1906 Korean newspaper article describing the Korean Ministry of Interior’s response to the Japanese Resident-General.

    Facts on Arrangement of Uldo County

    The Resident-General sent an official letter to the Interior Ministry asking it to clarify what islands belonged to Ulleungdo, which is under the administration of Samcheok County in Gangwon Province, and the year and month the county office was established. The response was that the post of Ulleungdo Administrator was established on May 20, 1898, and then on October 25, 1900, the government decided to post a county magistrate with the county office being at Daehadong (台霞洞). It said the islands under the authority of the said county were Jukdo (竹島) and Seokdo (石島), and that it was sixty ri from east to west and forty ri from north to south for a total of 200 ri.

    Koreans occupied Liancourt Rocks in the 1950s after their claim to the Rocks was rejected by the US government and the 1952 Treaty of Peace with Japan. US Secretary of State Dean Rusk rejected Korea’s claim to Liancourt Rocks in an August 9, 1951 letter. He wrote the following to the South Korean ambassador in Washington.

    “As regards the island of Dokdo, otherwise known as Takeshima or Liancourt Rocks, this normally uninhabited rock formation was according to our information never treated as part of Korea and, since about 1905, has been under the jurisdiciton of the Oki Islands Branch of Shimane Prefecture of Japan. The island does not appear ever before to have been claimed by Korea….”

    A 1954 report from US Special Ambassador James Van Fleet confirms that the US believed Liancourt Rocks to belong to Japan and the peace treaty with Japan allowed Japan to keep them.

    “The Island of Dokto (otherwise called Liancourt and TakeShima) is in the Sea of Japan approximately midway between Korea and Honshu (131.80E, 36.20N). This Island is, in fact, only a group of barren, uninhabited rocks. When the Treaty of Peace with Japan was being drafted, the Republic of Korea asserted its claims to Dokto but the United States concluded that they remained under Japanese sovereignty and the Island was not included among the Islands that Japan released from its ownership under the Peace Treaty. The Republic of Korea has been confidentially informed of the United States position regarding the islands but our position has not been made public. Though the United States considers that the islands are Japanese territory, we have declined to interfere in the dispute. Our position has been that the dispute might properly be referred to the International Court of Justice and this suggestion has been informally conveyed to the Republic of Korea.”

    In 1954, South Korea rejected Japan’s request to allow the International Court of Justice to settle the dispute.

  • Q

    Dokdo or Takeshima. All the evidence u need to know:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU5NnLUuaX0

  • Q

    The Economist article, ‘Nationalism in Japan: Beware the populists’ is noteworthy:

    http://www.economist.com/node/21564263

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936
  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝
  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    guys, read the above link. lots of legal stuff coming up as judge koh unseals documents.