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I ain’t here to make you honkies laugh!

Or so Korean rapper Tiger JK basically said during a recent concert.

He did apologize for it, though:

Korean rapper Tiger JK has posted an apology on his Twitter account for the racist remarks against Caucasians he blurted out during a joint performance on Saturday.

Gee, what happened?

According to Tiger JK’s recollection, some of the audience repeatedly requested him to dance the “horse dance” from choreography of another Korean rapper Psy’s worldwide hit “Gangnam Style.”

Shootouts in Bangkok, fired lifeguards in California, navelgazing in The Atlantic, and now this. Damn you, Psy. Damn you to hell!

“I told them I ain’t here to make you laugh, not here to dance for you, then it triggered something really dark in me,” Tiger JK said via Twitter.

Then the rapper said he cut all his songs short and went “crazy on all them white folks in the crowd.”

“To Fu** all y’all who think Asians are here to make you laugh by dancing my as*** off,” he said, accusing CNN and Hollywood of making Asians “comic relief.”

You can read his rant here.

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  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    Fucking disgraceful assholes. Tiger JK is a legend. These people just have no respect.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    Tiger JK is just bitter and jealous (thus, overly sensitive):

    http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/13038/20120823/psy-gangnam-style-tiger-jk-jealousy.htm

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #1,

    You’re kidding, right?

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    @2 — you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    @3 — no, I’m not. Bar none, Tiger JK is the greatest rapper in Korean pop history. He made Korean hiphop what it is now. He deserves to be called a legend, and he is not a subject of dumbass catcalls for the horse dance.

  • CactusMcHarris

    Agree with TK on this one – it’s akin to asking Madonna to perform a Lady Gaga song.

  • DLBarch

    I’m down with TK (as usual) and CMcH (also, as usual).

    Asking one Korean performer to mimic the bafoonish hop-along antics of other is pretty much as close to a “they all look alike” level of bigotry as one can get.

    This Tiger dude was provoked, pure and simple. I’d cut him some slack.

    As for the “racist remarks against Caucasians,” I’d say, man up! If this is what now constitutes racism against whites, consider yourselves lucky.

    DLB

  • slim

    I have to agree with TK, Cactus and DLB, and empathize with Tiger because Kangnam Style is after all a novelty song that freakishly hit paydirt. But “He made Korean hiphop what it is now.” What is Korean hiphop now? Pretty derivative, no?

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    What is Korean hiphop now? Pretty derivative, no?

    In a sense, not just Korean hiphop but the entirety of Korean pop music is derivative. But for those with discerning eyes and ears, there are differences to appreciate. For example, here is a sample of brilliant bilingual puns and rhyming from Die Legend 2, from Drunken Tiger’s most recent album:

    Watch the fuck out 나는 Dok2
    aka dirty south korean 감히 누가 나를 이겨 감히 누가 나를 이어
    I’m here 밤거리 보다 화려한 career
    I’m real so 난 현실 앞에서 절대 안 기어 Yeah
    내 랩은 명품 한번 들으면 모두 Gucci
    난 가짜 아닌 정품 확실한 가격이 붙지
    굳이 묻지 않아도 you know my style homie
    한국에 힙합 나 밖에 없어
    My rhyme’s lonely
    I’m totally different
    that’s why I’m livin’ in the thunderground
    돈을 쓰는 동시에 더 많은 돈을 벌어
    난 디스코 댄서 왜냐면 오늘도 I hustle
    마이크를 잡은 내 손이 말해
    Imma die legend 더 뻗어가

  • bumfromkorea

    Yep. I’m with tk. Can’t believe the idiots asked tiger jk to do that…

  • Lliane

    @8 : So basically it’s bilngual so basically only kyopo can get it so basically why don’t you call it Kyopo hiphop dawg ?

  • Bendrix

    5

    Even leaving out all the racial implications, this is wrong on an artistic level. No musician wants to be performing and hear requests for some other artist’s songs or dances or whatever.

  • nambangui horangi

    Chiming in with TK, et al. Tiger JK is a very talented guy and what he faced was disgraceful–somebody would need a very, very long fuse not to blow up. And I say that with plenty of respect for what PSY has accomplished as well.

  • cm

    Tiger JK is also the husband of Yoon Mi Rae, an African American-Korean mixed queen of rap who’s very popular in Korea. He’s spoken out often against racism against Blasians in Korea. He also has a son with Yoon. I’m sure he’s also sick of being pidgeon holed as an Asian wannabe copy cat rapper, not really taken seriously. I really don’t blame his frustrations with the “they all look alike, they’re all the same” responses either.

  • cm

    But it is right he apologized. No matter the circumstances, racist name calling should not be tolerated, especially when he’s been making anti racism rants. It makes him look like a hypocrite.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #4,

    Legend?

    I reserve that for guys who’ve influenced, defined, and redefined hip hop on the international scale for over 20 years. Have a listen to some MC Solaar, for example. It will be an eye-opening experience for you.

    #13,

    Which makes the outburst somewhat disappointing (not that I really care about him or his music).

    #14,

    Yes, whichever way you slice it, he was being thin-skinned in a bad way. Do Korean audiences heckle when an act is bombing?

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    I reserve that for guys who’ve influenced, defined, and redefined hip hop on the international scale for over 20 years.

    Your peculiar definition of “legend” does not the change the level of respect that Tiger JK deserves.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Who is this poseur, Tiger JK? A legend Ive never heard of.

  • http://f5waeg.blogspot.com/ F5Waeg

    What I find more interesting are the comments on the link in the OP. Seems a lot of people hate Psy for reinforcing the bafoonish comic relief Asian guy stereotype, similar to the role Ken Jeong played in The Hangover.

  • http://f5waeg.blogspot.com/ F5Waeg

    Silly me. I liked him from the beginning since it seemed obvious to me he was taking the piss and being sarcastic / satirical. Guess I’ve eaten too much kimchi or something.

  • http://f5waeg.blogspot.com/ F5Waeg

    oops buffoonish

  • Q

    Seems a lot of people hate Psy for reinforcing the bafoonish comic relief Asian guy stereotype

    It rather seems that a lot of people compalin about the overanalytical writer who claim GS reinforced stereotypes of east Asian men.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/24/gangnam-style-south-korean-pop

  • Q

    Complain about Ms. Arwa Mahdawi’s article, ‘What’s so funny about Gangnam Style?’ at the Guardian, UK.

  • http://f5waeg.blogspot.com/ F5Waeg

    That’s a relief. Seems like Tiger needs to chill out.

  • http://f5waeg.blogspot.com/ F5Waeg

    Maybe it’s just because they’re British. . . American commentators seem more uptight about it.

  • dogbertt

    His appropriation (or approximation) of a certain type of ungrammatical English idiomatic vernacular speech that most definitely is not his own is not deserving of respect, but rather scorn, or perhaps pity.

  • numberoneoppa

    Tiger JK is a legend? Okay, so Drunken Tiger had some hits 10 years ago, but let’s not blow this out of proportion. I can’t agree enough with dogbertt’s comment (@25). Well said, there.

    He reacted like a prick.

  • Q

    He did not produce GS with the intention to promote overseas. His international popularity is something extra. I really like him now back to Korea for a month for concerts at colleges and military bases scheduled well before he got popular overseas. He did not cancel the not much profitable domestic concerts to extend his stay in the US to promote his music for bigger success. That’s psy and I like that very much.

  • http://f5waeg.blogspot.com/ F5Waeg
  • jk641

    F5Waeg,

    Actually, Tiger JK is also a “hyphenated Korean”.
    I read he went to school in the US.

  • http://f5waeg.blogspot.com/ F5Waeg

    ur stepping on my wave mang

    another commentator on the blog posted that he should be forgiven, since he has also been corrupted by his marriage to Mirae :)

  • berto

    my god, this sounds serious. i wonder if if this is the beginning of an “east coast, west coast” style korean rap rivalry. drive by blogging, hurtful comments on youtube videos, gangnam land style yelling matches. this is about to get real.
    grouchy tiger hidden horse dance.

  • gbnhj

    Bitching out insensitive fans with a racially-charged remark – a crass act
    Publicly apologizing for making such an embarrassing mistake – a class act

    Which one defines him more?

  • jk641

    another commentator on the blog posted that he should be forgiven, since he has also been corrupted by his marriage to Mirae :)

    Yes yes. Let’s forgive him.
    He just need to tame the tiger in him a tad.

  • jk641

    I’m gonna take a hike.
    Carry on.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #8,

    Code-switching? You’re easily impressed

    Do you even have a clue why Korean artists use code-switching? To give themselves an appearance of being more international, to express things they are too chicken sh.. to say in Korean (which is clearly going on in those lyrics), and to express duality (not necessarily a good thing when you compare and contrast the messages in Korean an English…yes, reinforcing the old Koreans are pure, foreigners are impure prejudice). Another reason is that it’s an anti-language of sorts, a code which they think their parents don’t understand, which makes them feel closer to the artist. Deny it all you want, I’ve got the research papers on my desk to back up what I’m saying.

    #16,

    Peculiar? And you’re the guy who claims some guy who was in a rap group you listened too when you were a teen is a legend…just because you say so.

    Did you have a listen to some MC Solaar. Think about it. A French dude who’s been influencing American hip hop artists since the late 80′s, early 90′s. Oh, but I’m being peculiar…LOL.

    What’s next, you’re going to claim Seo Taiji never was a fan of Cypress Hill?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RijB8wnJCN0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6-AJgGPrgU

    Admit it, you know about as much about hip hop as my auntie.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    ” Another reason is that it’s an anti-language of sorts, a code which they [the fans] think their parents…”

  • Yu Bum Suk

    Does this tiger guy dance? If he’s also a Korean dancer, and the horse dance *is* Korean dance to the majority of whities, what do you expect?

    If he’s not a dancer then I guess it’s a bit like asking Carlos Santana to do the Macarena when it was at it’s height, but Santana was, is, and will be more famous than that one-hit-wonder to most fans of rock.

  • Arghaeri

    Agree with TK on this one – it’s akin to asking Madonna to perform a Lady Gaga song.

    To a point, but I’m pretty sure Madonna wouldn’t have selected a particular ethnicity and said fuck all you, what do you think, that I’m here to entertain you!

  • Arghaeri

    Bitching out insensitive fans with a racially-charged remark – a crass act
    Publicly apologizing for making such an embarrassing mistake – a class act

    Which one defines him more?

    Rather depends on his motives and level of contrition, genuine or PR damage limitation?

  • Creo69

    Not surprised to see “the Korean” supporting racism…apparently if you are a “Korean legend” it is OK. This loser may be a “legend” in Korea but to the rest of the world he just proved he is a world class asshole and a racist. Nice:-)

  • http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    Actually, the whole series of tweets is rather entertaining. I’m sure Dogbertt @25 will appreciate it:

    http://omonatheydidnt.livejournal.com/9909538.html

  • gbnhj

    Arghaeri (39), I totally agree. And the idea that he is, or was, a seminal part of music is totally beside the point.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #41,

    Start reading the older Twitters first. It’s like listening to drunk dialing…

  • dtwSickboy

    TK, I have to disagree with you that Tiger JK is the greatest rapper in Korean pop history; his wife is.

    And, yes, MC Solaar is definitely a legend.

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    Who is this poseur, Tiger JK? A legend Ive never heard of.

    Then you don’t know anything about Korean pop music.

    His appropriation (or approximation) of a certain type of ungrammatical English idiomatic vernacular speech that most definitely is not his own is not deserving of respect, but rather scorn, or perhaps pity.

    Immigrant Korean man who takes on African American art form. It’s all of your worst nightmares rolled into one, isn’t it?

    Okay, so Drunken Tiger had some hits 10 years ago, but let’s not blow this out of proportion.

    DT had the highest ranked rap song in the charts last year. Let’s talk only about what we know.

    Admit it, you know about as much about hip hop as my auntie.

    As I see it, only one of us is getting paid to talk to people about pop music. Let’s leave it at that. Discussions about hiphop tend to get really inane really fast, and you are showing why.

    Not surprised to see “the Korean” supporting racism…apparently if you are a “Korean legend” it is OK.

    Not surprised to see the majority of MH, once again, supporting racism against Koreans. Racist heckling against a rap legend? Totally fine. Angry outburst in response? Not cool, and totally racist.

    TK, I have to disagree with you that Tiger JK is the greatest rapper in Korean pop history; his wife is.

    One can make a solid case that Tasha is better. But I will stick to my guns.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #44,

    Totally agree about his wife. She’s a great singer, too.

    Heck, it also seems a bit misogynistic when fans say he was one of the founders of hip hop in Korea: she was making hits with Uptown before he even started his own group.

  • Avaast

    Wow, totally didn’t notice this thread.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    “As I see it, only one of us is getting paid to talk to people about pop music. Let’s leave it at that. Discussions about hiphop tend to get really inane really fast, and you are showing why.”

    Oh, going with an appeal to authority, eh?

    All right. I’ve been listening to hip hop since the early 80′s. I don’t get paid to hang out with musicians: they want to hang out with me because I grew up with them; I’m related to them.

    ” Racist heckling against a rap legend?

    Apparently he’s only a legend amongst his fans…some of which, evidently, know very little about hip hop.

    I’ve heard his music, it’s underwhelming. That’s probably why he got heckled…if he really was. Sounds like a publicity stunt to me. It’s that’s the case, it sure seems to be working because he’s got you foaming at the mouth.

    And…Still haven’t had a listen to MC Solaar? You’re missing out. The poetry of his rhymes, the political messages, the creativity, the music, his velvety smooth delivery…A real legend.

  • Avaast

    I think he was right to tell those twats what he thought. Spending his formative years in LA through the race riots and everything, he probably heard enough from ignorant (white) folks to last a lifetime.

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    @48 –

    Here is a type of discussion concerning hiphop that I see repeating itself over and over:

    A: Rapper X is great.
    B: Rapper X is terrible, because another great Rapper Y exists.

    B’s rejoinder to A is a non sequitur. Why is Rapper Y relevant? We are talking about Rapper X.

    If you have anything to say about Tiger JK, say it, and back it up. Talk about his beats, rhymes and music. Talk about his place in the history of Korean hiphop. If you find him underwhelming, explain why. That type of discussion is worth my time. What you are doing now is not.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #50,

    No paying close attention, are you? You brought up the “legend” label. I challenged it by giving you the name of a truly influential and talented artist, one who’s neither American nor Anglophone on purpose in order to deprive you of the pleasure of falsely claiming I’m discriminating because he isn’t American, a card I knew you’d play if you had a chance since that’s been the crux of your argument from the get go.

    Him being heckled because his performance was sub-par? Impossible. They must have been racist.

    I’ve also already explained why the code-switching does not impress me. It’s like cursing during an argument in order to impress because, deep down inside, you know your words have no weight.

    Back it up? I have.

  • Creo69

    “Racist heckling against a rap legend? Totally fine. Angry outburst in response? Not cool, and totally racist.”

    Did the caucasions say something racial? If so I missed it. What did they say? Unless of course you are trying to say asking someone to dance is racist…which it isn’t.

    Fill me in, I may have missed part of the story. If some caucasions made racial slanders against him they are as messed up and racist as he is.

  • Creo69

    The fact that the guy isn’t even intelligent enough to realize he was there to “ENTERTAIN” people shows he probably isn’t the brightest person. Did he think people were there to honor him or something?

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    Him being heckled because his performance was sub-par? Impossible. They must have been racist.

    It was not a generic heckle. It was a specific demand that a rap legend capitulate to a degrading imitation. Just because the rapper is also Korean. Of course it’s racist.

    I’ve also already explained why the code-switching does not impress me.

    You said nothing about Tiger JK’s music. I doubt you have the ability to do so — if I did not present that tiny sliver of Drunken Tiger’s lyrics here, in all likelihood, you would have nothing to do talk about.

    But if you do have the ability, talk about Tiger JK’s music and why you find it underwhelming. Or talk about Korean hiphop in general, and talk about why Drunken Tiger is not important to the formation of Korean hiphop. I will be all ears. I am serious.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #49,

    Right, because the LA riots were all about white on Korean violence…
    Nice try making excuses for his racism.

  • Creo69

    ” It was not a generic heckle. It was a specific demand that a rap legend capitulate to a degrading imitation. Just because the rapper is also Korean. Of course it’s racist.”

    So every black person that asked Jerry Lee Lewis or anybody else to dance like Elvis back in the day when shaking your hips was in was a racist? Please.

    These people weren’t racist but your trying to defend his disgusting racist comments speaks volumes to your character…not that anyone here would be surprised of your support for racism when a Korean is dishing it out.

  • cm

    “It was not a generic heckle. It was a specific demand that a rap legend capitulate to a degrading imitation. Just because the rapper is also Korean. Of course it’s racist.” -TK

    I get that, but there was no need to go off the deep end and start running the mouth off with “white boy” rants in front of all those people. How are the people who had nothing to do with any of this and watching him, should feel just about then? Like I said, he has admitted his errors, and has apologized. There’s no need for you to defend his errors.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    “It was a specific demand that a rap legend capitulate to a degrading imitation. ”

    There you go again about that legend thing. Let me bring you back to reality: he’s a guy who’s had some success in a relatively small market for hip hop. Face it, that’s not what legends are made of. I’m sure his fans like him very much, but I’ve heard a lot better.

    “You said nothing about Tiger JK’s music. I doubt you have the ability to do so — if I did not present that tiny sliver of Drunken Tiger’s lyrics here, in all likelihood, you would have nothing to do talk about. But if you do have the ability, talk about Tiger JK’s music and why you find it underwhelming.”

    Don’t make me laugh. I brought up Seo Taiji and the Boys and Uptown. How could I have done so without knowing anything about Korean hip hop?

    “Or talk about Korean hiphop in general, and talk about why Drunken Tiger is not important to the formation of Korean hiphop. I will be all ears. I am serious.”

    No, tell me how that makes him automatically a legend in the US, where his music is no better or different than dozens of other acts?
    My bad, I forgot South Korean hip hop has been internationally influential.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    “These people weren’t racist but your trying to defend his disgusting racist comments speaks volumes to your character…not that anyone here would be surprised of your support for racism when a Korean is dishing it out.”

    Yes, exactly. I stopped reading his blog, which I quite enjoyed, when I started to learn of his true character by reading his comments here.

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    I brought up Seo Taiji and the Boys and Uptown. How could I have done so without knowing anything about Korean hip hop?

    If you know something, talk about what you know. Otherwise, we’re done here. I want to have a discussion about Korean hiphop, not a pissing contest.

  • Creo69

    ” No, tell me how that makes him automatically a legend in the US, where his music is no better or different than dozens of other acts?My bad, I forgot South Korean hip hop has been internationally influential.”

    My guess is that if he ever had the talent to be considered a “legend” is talent would have been more interesting to the audience than the “Horse”dance. The fact that he totally lost control and went on a racist rampage kind shows that he knew the same thing…folks should have just asked for a refund and called it a night.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    “I get that, but there was no need to go off the deep end and start running the mouth off with “white boy” rants in front of all those people. How are the people who had nothing to do with any of this and watching him, should feel just about then? Like I said, he has admitted his errors, and has apologized. There’s no need for you to defend his errors.”

    Besides, the guy’s been doing this for years. Seems like a rookie mistake, at the very least. Thin skinned because Korean hip hop fans are easier to please, maybe?

    Begs the question, what would have happened in Korea if he had gone off like that on his audience, even without the racist rant?

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #61,

    Yup. I’m also guessing he bombed. No shame in that. It happens to the best of them. But, I’m guessing he was ill-prepared for the reaction. Or maybe he was having an overall bad day. The racist rant, though…BS.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    “If you know something, talk about what you know. Otherwise, we’re done here. I want to have a discussion about Korean hiphop, not a pissing contest”

    Cognitive disconnect and browbeating is how you roll, eh?

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    I get that, but there was no need to go off the deep end and start running the mouth off with “white boy” rants in front of all those people. . . . There’s no need for you to defend his errors.

    I am not defending anyone — I am working on having other people “get that” also.

  • Creo69

    ” Fucking disgraceful assholes. Tiger JK is a legend. These people just have no respect.”

    I think we all “get” your point. Racial slurs are an acceptable response when you damage the ego of a Korean “legend.”

    Thanks for clearing that up, I “get” it now.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #65,

    You’re doing a marvelous job of undermining your own argument.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #66,

    Bingo.

  • Creo69

    ” You’re doing a marvelous job of undermining your own argument.”

    But to his credit, he has done a fine job of revealing his true character.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #69,

    He’s already been doing that for some time. He wrote quite a few shockers a couple of months back, hence the reason why I quit reading his blog.

  • tinyflowers

    Really stupid and offensive to ask him to do the horse dance. If you guys can’t see the racist undertone there, you’re just being willfully blind.

  • KLM

    Tiger JK : Korean hiphop :: Ace of Base : Swedish reggae

    DEEP legends

    It is comic gold to watch giant squares argue over the legendary status of some corny-ass dude who boasts about living in the “thunderground” (CLASSIC) vis-a-vis my high school French teacher’s favorite rapper MC Solaar. Please never stop.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    tiger is a legend and why did you waste time by engaging someguy? he feels intimidated by the korean guy. he also said americans would never listen to kpop- ever! he a creepy white guy. you should feel 행복 he stop reading your 브로그. besotted by the k여자 he hates koreans. he a creepy white guy.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    just one more time; he a creepy white guy. 히 어 크리피 와이트 까이!

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    Cognitive disconnect and browbeating is how you roll, eh?

    Staying on topic is how I roll.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #72,
    Square? You hipsters with your fancy slang words.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    btw the creep said kpop market small. no, it aint. kpop market large and intrnational. thats why the manga loving creep is upset.

    creep.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    hi someguy! creep. never gonna happen, huh? never gonna happen, huh? what happened w that? ya creep.

  • Kseki

    #40 I would really like to see the part where TK is supporting racism. All I can read out of his statement is that he is appalled by the provocation of the concert goers.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #73,

    Eff off. I guarantee you my skin is darker than yours. Intimidated by, of all people, an artist that makes music that’s unappealing to me? Soiling your pants every time you hear crappy music, like the latest country hits, is not normal behavior. You need to see a psychiatrist.

    #74,
    What’s even creepier is that you pretend you’re Korean.

    I never said K-pop would never be popular, I said translate BS would never be popular. I was the first here to suggest, 6 weeks ago, that Psy might actually become the first one to get any real attention in the US.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #73,

    Remember, Mr. Sh.. for brains, that I am neither American nor a uni-lingual Anglophone. I speak English out of necessity, not out of love for the language. The K-pop obsession of making records in English to sell in the US…FKn BS colonial mentality. I’m glad the first “K-pop” artist to get an international hit wasn’t even trying to do so and did it with a Korean language song.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    …No, scratch that: I’m fkn ecstatic about it.

  • slim

    Can’t we all once and for all agree on the non-white, decidedly non-American genius of someguy? That’s been his main theme since at least the Roh Mu-hyun era, after all.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    “Staying on topic is how I roll.”

    All right: You’re overreacting like he did. In the greater scheme of things, it won’t make his music any better or worse. I’ll still think his music is rather generic and that his lyrics have the depth of a puddle, and you’ll worship the ground he walks on.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #83,

    Finally, an intelligent comment.

  • Kseki

    #81

    “The K-pop obsession of making records in English to sell in the US…FKn BS colonial mentality.”

    I would venture the guess that they are doing it for the money.

  • http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    I’m pretty sympathetic to Tiger JK here, although I thought Michael Richards taught us that racial rants usually aren’t the best way to handle bad audiences.

  • DLBarch

    @86,

    Nice moniker, my friend!

    I probably would have gone with Ksaekki, but yours is almost Zen-like in its simplicity, so either way, pretty nifty!

    DLB

  • dogbertt

    Actually, The Korean, an immigrant Korean man intentionally aping the way he imagines uneducated American Blacks speak (i.e. “them white boys”) is a type of unartistic and ill-advised attempt to gain “street cred” that is insulting to Blacks.

  • Kseki

    DLB,

    Thanks. I was contemplating Ksaekki but then I don’t like how standard romanization bloats up Korean words.

    Robert,

    I am glad that Larry David gave Michael Richards the chance to redeem himself. His appearance on Curb your Enthusiasm was one of the most memorable bits in recent TV history.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktZde2tEK1Y

  • Bendrix

    89

    Really? You personally know what is insulting to all American Blacks? I’m sure some are offended. And I bet some are not. Not all hip-hop artists are uneducated blacks. Some of them come from upper middle class families, like Kanye West, and yet use the vernacular. A lot of American vernacular originates in Black American popular culture and music. A lot of things we take for granted as being just American slang, like dude, rock ‘n’ roll, diss, bling, etc. come from Black American roots. Are all people who repeat those phrases insulting the people who created those terms? You speak as if nobody but this Korean American rapper appropriates this kind of culture and language. Your attitude is more segregationist and elitist than those who have an interest in participating in this kind of music. Black America is not an exotic race to be examined by anthropologists in khaki outfits.

  • dogbertt

    Yes, I do know what is insulting to Blacks, because they’re not shy about telling us.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    “It was not a generic heckle. It was a specific demand that a rap legend capitulate to a degrading imitation. Just because the rapper is also Korean. Of course it’s racist.”

    I’ll take your word for it that he’s a legend amongst rap fans in Korea. However, if he wants to be treated with legendary status, that means performing for rap fans in Korea. Face it, right now:

    - for the vast majority of westerners, K-pop = Psy. The second-best known face of K-pop goes by the name of “elevator guy” in the west.

    - for the vast majority of westerners, Korean dance = the horse dance, with a few pelvic thrusts thrown in for good measure.

    So, if a Korean rapper wants to perform for an international audience, what do you expect? He’s going to be entirely under Psy’s shadow.

    Even my dad was asking about Psy. My dad! The only famous Koreans he knows who haven’t been NK leaders are Psy and YP Lee, and the latter is only because I took him to a Whitecaps game. That’s how huge Psy has become. It might be a hard realisation for other Korean artists to accept that they’re all now in his shadow, but that’s a brilliant man’s success and shouldn’t be their misfortune.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #86,
    Ever heard of the term ‘anglocentrism’?
    And where does it stem from in the South Korean context?

    #89,
    How about discussing the socio-linguistic and economic forces that drive educated, middle-class, African-American artists to use the vernacular to please a broader (i.e. white) audience instead of using a more standard dialect? Those are the demands of the market. Stereotypes sell.

  • http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    Korea engineers one of the most dramatic development success stories in the history of man, and the most famous men the Peninsula has produced are Psy, the Elevator Guy and Kim Jong-il.

    God is truly dead.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    eminem did the same thing, dog.

  • JW

    Korea engineers one of the most dramatic development success stories in the history of man, and the most famous men the Peninsula has produced are Psy, the Elevator Guy and Kim Jong-il.

    God is truly dead.

    Nah, it just means we’re living in a White Man’s world with the Devil pulling the strings in the background. :-D

  • TheKorean2

    How is that racist?

  • dogbertt

    eminem did the same thing, dog.

    Very good point.

    And he got a lot of shit for it too.

  • dogbertt

    Maybe I was in Korea too long, but I don’t think of PSY as a joke, or an ethnic stereotype.

  • slim

    @100. Indeed, no way a joke or a stereotype. In music at least, he shatters the K-pop stereotype (pretty boys, robotic girls) created by efforts to export those boy/girl bands. PSY’s got to be the coolest guy on the planet right about now.

  • gbnhj

    eminem did the same thing, dog.

    Very good point.

    And he got a lot of shit for it too.

    It is a good point. Aside from what dogbertt wrote, I’d also remind you that Vanilla Ice did it, too, and despite the popularity of ‘Ice Ice Baby’, he got a whole lot more shit for that, because he wasn’t perceived as being ‘real’.
    So, one question worth considering: in communities outside Korea, how ‘real’ of a rapper is Tiger JK seen as being?

  • Yu Bum Suk

    101, that’s what I love about him. Years and years of trying to export pretty puppets and who finds the holy grail of American popularity? A mid-30s overweight guy with a criminal record.

  • Creo69

    “#40 I would really like to see the part where TK is supporting racism. All I can read out of his statement is that he is appalled by the provocation of the concert goers.”

    Have you ever read this blog before? If it were the other way around and it was a white rapper calling a bunch of Koreans “slanty eyed bitches” THEKOREAN would be the first one on this site decrying the racism.

    The fact that he says nothing as to the fact of how disgusting this Korean rapper’s words (But he does seem to be fine with condemning the hecklers by calling them “Fucking disgraceful assholes.”) were says everything and confirms what most believe about THEKOREAN’S true character to be.

    According to THEKOREAN this racist piece of shit deserves the “respect” of white people. Respect? He can kiss my white bum!

  • http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    Caveats about double standards noted, but I’ve got to ask, was what Tiger JK said really that disgusting?

  • Yu Bum Suk

    I can’t say I found it all that disgusting – it’s more a strange blend of amusing and pathetic.

  • Creo69

    ” Caveats about double standards noted, but I’ve got to ask, was what Tiger JK said really that disgusting?”

    Isn’t it funny how whenever racism is pointed at non whites it is such a big deal but when racial slurs are made against whites by a minority group it is no big deal.

    Racism is disgusting no matter who the target is.

  • Creo69

    Would it have helped if there had been some pictures of him making “round eyes?”

  • Creo69

    Hmm…the more I think about it the more I think this Korean Princess (I mean “legend”) should have just done the damn “Horse Dance.”

    Google executive chairman Eric Schmidt didn’t seem to find it demeaning or beneath him…notice how he even seems to be SMILING and enjoying it. Good thing us “honkies” still have a sense of fun and some humor!

    http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2012/09/28/2012092801052.html

  • Kseki

    #104
    “Have you ever read this blog before?”

    I have been a regular reader for 6.5 years.

  • CactusMcHarris

    #101,

    You got that right – there’s hope for us yet.

    MHers,

    Who is this Elevator Guy – enlighten me, please. I need some Minjok Madness, having done the Horse Dance four times already and not yet satisfied.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    you can say ‘honky’ on public tv ie abc, nbc, and cbs. you can’t say ‘gook’ or ‘nigger’ though. ‘honky’ is a rather mild racial epithet like ‘redneck’.

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