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More Korea—China—Japan not getting along stuff

- Ye Old Chosun, quoting Japan’s Sankei Shimbun, is reporting that Korea is refusing to allow a Japan MSDF warship to touch at Busan during upcoming PSI drills hosted by Korea.

The Korean side cites “various circumstances” for the refusal.

When the Japanese side suggested it might be unable to take part in the drill, the United States changed the drill scenario so that the Japanese ship wouldn’t have to touch at Busan.

The drills, featuring warships and planes from the United States, Australia, Korea and Japan, will take place in international waters about 100km off Busan.

The Japanese side also feels the Koreans are objecting to the ships flying the Japanese naval ensign, which is the “Rising Sun” flag.

The Korean Defense Ministry, for its part, hasn’t mentioned anything about denying the Japanese ship entry into Busan.

- YTN is reporting that during talks in New York, the foreign ministers of Korea and China agreed to cooperate in challenging Japan’s historical views.

With Japanese Prime Minister Noda planning to talk about the need to resolve territorial issues through international law in his address to the UN General Assembly, Korea and China agreed the international community should first understand history properly. Or as Korean Foreign Minister Kim Sung-hwan put it, “It’s an issue related to our history. And this is why Seoul and Beijing have agreed on the need to tell the world the truth about history.” Which sounds to me a lot like Korea taking China’s side in the Senkaku dispute. Which is odd, considering.

- Korea and China, however, have their own issues. Ye Olde Chosun is reporting that China is placing Ieodo under regular aerial surveillance:

China is claiming once again that the submerged rocks of Ieo Island are part of its own territory and included them among places to be monitored by aerial drones. The move came six months after Liu Xigui, the director of China’s State Oceanic Administration, said Beijing would now regularly patrol Chinese waters using both ships and surveillance aircraft.

The Korean side, for its part, plans to respond to Chinese survey ships with Korean Coast Guard cutters, and Chinese warships with ROK Navy warships. Yesterday, the Korea Coast Guard commissioned a 3,000-ton Coast Guard cutter that will be deployed to Jeju-do to patrol the waters around Ieodo.

PS: The Chosun Ilbo is still unhappy with the missile situation. Despite a bilateral agreement with the United States that would allow Korea to expand its missile ranges to 800km, the Chosun wants to know why it’s only South Korea being tied down with these agreements while China, Russia, North Korea and Japan can seemingly build whatever the hell they like. Ye Olde Chosun warns that keeping Korea from obtaining a minimum capacity to defend itself not only threatens the balance in Northeast Asia, but also doesn’t help in maintaining or developing the Korea—US alliance.

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  • R. Elgin

    Screw American concerns. South Korea should have a nuclear deterrent and functional systems to deploy them anywhere they are needed. Only that would make the PRC back off of the ROK.

  • Q

    The US might have to play more active intermediary role to resolve the territorial issue that breaks down alliance among the US, Japan, and S. Korea:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alexis-dudden/koreajapan-standoff-why-a_b_1885534.html

  • Q

    Many Koreans get bewildered about what it could mean by ‘자위함’.

  • Q
  • yuna

    #3 That was a link to a good piece by Alexis Dudden.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Concerning Ieodo, the Ieodo site HERE claims that a Korean survey team found the submerged rock in 1951 and submerged a plaque claiming the rock at the time. Here is what is written on the site:

    In our country, the reality of Ieodo first emerged in 1951 when a joint mission between the Korean Alpine Society and the navy was sent to explore Ieodo. After seeing a green peak emerge above the surface of the water among the high waves, they submerged a copper plaque inscribed with the name “Ieodo” and returned.

    First, the survey team did not go looking for “Ieodo”; they went looking for “a cluster of islands” named “Parangseo,” so why would they have inscribed the plaque with the name “Ieodo”?

    Second, according to a June 16, 1973 article in the Korean newspaper Dong-a Ilbo HERE, the Korean survey team sent to find “Parangdo” (Ieod0) in 1951 were unable to find it, so Korea dropped its claim to the “cluster of islands” in regard to the 1952 Treaty of Peace with Japan.

    At the time, Korea apparently did not know that the “cluster of islands” was actually a submerged rock; they only knew that Japan had claimed it and went looking for it, apparently at the coordinates given by the Japanese. Why would Koreans have submerged a copper plaque when they did not find the submerged rock, much less the “cluster of islands” they were looking for?

    After arriving at the coordinates, the head of the Korean survey team transmitted back by radio the following message:

    “In Science there are no miracles. We are at sea at coordinates 32º 10′ N and 125º E. Within the twenty mile range of visibility, Parang Island cannot be detected.”

    The story of the submerged copper plaque seems like just another Korean fairytale.

    An October 22, 1947 Dong-a Ilbo article HERE describes Korea’s reaction when it first learned Japan was claiming the “cluster of islands” (한 무리의 섬).

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/tag/funny/page/3 Jakgani

    Australia has 8,222 islands

    China has 6,961 islands

    Japan has 6,852 islands.

    Korea has 4,200 islands

    The USA has 2,300 islands

    Petty stuff – it seems the USA doesn’t have enough?

  • cm

    “An October 22, 1947 Dong-a Ilbo article HERE describes Korea’s reaction when it first learned Japan was claiming the “cluster of islands” (한 무리의 섬).”

    And can you blame them, coming off 2 years after being colonized for 35 years? I would think being suspicious of Japan’s motives would be quite understandable from the Korean point of view.

  • slim

    “the foreign ministers of Korea and China agreed to cooperate in challenging Japan’s historical views.”

    FM Kim should ask Yang Jiechi in public how the Korean War got started to get a hint of how trustworthy the PRC will be on history issues. Yang fronts a regime that lies about easily observable facts, like today’s air quality in Beijing.

  • Koreansentry

    Korean right wing media loves to recycle old stories to make the scene more serious but in reality the Ieodo issue was already resolved by diplomacy with China, what Chinese really want is to expand their current EEZ to reduce Korea’s EEZ near Ieodo.

    As for that gbevers ignorant teacher, this guy doesn’t know anything about Ieodo so he was using some newspaper clips to back up his opinion, Ieodo is known before even but nobody could find them because Ieodo isn’t island or islet, it’s just a submerge rock, Korea have right to claim the rock to extend their EEZ even Japan, U.S and rest of countries do this legally.

  • hacker

    Jakgani@7 – You are a little short, there are actually, according to USGS, 18,617 named islands in the US and a quite a few more that are unnamed. I think your number of 2300 comes from those governed by the US but not part of the 50 states. Petty stuff yes, but I think we have enough. Why you want to give us some more?

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Koreansentry wrote:

    As for that gbevers ignorant teacher, this guy doesn’t know anything about Ieodo so he was using some newspaper clips to back up his opinion, Ieodo is known before even but nobody could find them because Ieodo isn’t island or islet, it’s just a submerge rock, Korea have right to claim the rock to extend their EEZ even Japan, U.S and rest of countries do this legally.

    I do not know if you are serious or not, but I think it is better to make a claim using old newspaper articles to back it up than to make one without even bothering to back it up, as you have done.

  • R. Elgin

    . . . FM Kim should ask Yang Jiechi in public how the Korean War got started to get a hint of how trustworthy the PRC will be on history issues. Yang fronts a regime that lies about easily observable facts, like today’s air quality in Beijing.

    Exactly. Cold, hard facts, such as the existence of South Korean nuclear weapons and certain death are the only things they can not deny.
    I suspect that America will become more and more unreliable as time goes on, thus South Korea should not place its security in the hands of foreign powers but claim its own hammer and put the anvil underneath any country that wants to resort to threats and rabid nationalism.

  • JK

    Gbevers, siding against the Korean claims once again (like he has 100% of the time, even to the point of justifying the occupation of Korea by Japan)…what else is new? Just ignore him, folks.

  • Q

    Sankei misreported again. Korea and Japan agreed the MDSF warship not dropping by in Busan well before the military training, responded spokesman of Korea Ministry of National Defense.

    http://news.zum.com/articles/3842652?c=02

    Sankei also had misreported last year that Jiang Zemin passed away.

  • Stereo

    >Seoul and Beijing have agreed on the need to tell the world the truth about history.
    Why not. It is high time they tell the true story.
    By the way, there is a small test to see if you know the true history.
    Q. What did Japan do to Korea in 1910?
    (a) It annexed Korea.
    (b) It occupied Korea.
    If you answer is (b) like so many Koreans, implying Korea remained an independent nation under Japanese occupation like France under German occupation or Japan under US occupation, you should learn the true history. Abuse of words may look a small thing at first, but it builds up to a massive misunderstanding of history.

  • Q

    Japan and Taiwan played water cannon battle showering each other like children:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy0TGOdoy5s

    Exclusive use of water guns at any combats would bring this world more peace.

  • cm

    I personally prefer the spit balls over the water cannons.

  • Stereo

    >Q September 25, 2012 at 11:48 pm
    Your linked article says Japan and Korea have agreed that Japanese ships would not call Busan because Korea rejected such call citing national sentiment. It just seems to confirm Sankei.

  • slim

    And rumors of Jiang Zemin’s death circulated widely among media everywhere (except censored China) last year, so nothing there to pin on Sankei (an execrable paper though it is.)

    Q should post links without comment that inevitably distorts. That would be a perfect niche for him — until he finds a job or graduates from high school.

  • Q

    Sankei misreported as if Korea violated agreement of Japan MDSF warship touching at Busan. The fact is that Japan and Korea already agreed well before the PSI drill that the warships not come ashore on Busan. Unlike the US and Australian warships’ necessity to rest in Busan after long voyage, it is unnecessary for the MDSF warships to disembark on any Korean harbors.

  • Q

    Oh, it was MSDF. 자위대.

  • Kseki

    #16

    By the way, there is a small test to see if you know the true history.

    true story x 1, true history x 2 and a beveresque question with only 2 possible answers.

    You seem overly obsessed with “the truth”. Truth is something that national governments, religious and conspiracy nuts, holocaust denialists and K-Girl obsessed Korea haters are overly concerned about. Is there any chance you can self-identify with one or more of the aforementioned groups?

    If you answer is (b) like so many Koreans, implying Korea remained an independent nation under Japanese occupation like France under German occupation or Japan under US occupation, you should learn the true history.

    Please take your dump elsewhere and spare us your silly little interpretation of what (a) means.

  • brier

    Ieo… Is it possible in international law to claim an underwater rock so as to extend one counries exclusive economic zone? There are a lot of underwater rocks on this planet.

  • adeptitus

    No. Submerged rocks that are 4-5 meters underwater cannot be used to claim EEZ.

  • Q

    Oh, Nippon Kaigi ‘s nuclear member Abe Shinzo got elected to the new leader of LDP:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19725296