• αβγδε

    Here’s an AP video about it:


    Everyone who isn’t a Moonie looks at the guy and his church and thinks “cult” and “fraud” or “delusional,” many Christians included.

    And this is the truth: There is no difference between any Christian and those who followed the Korean man. They are all equally delusional, are all following a fake religion, and are all, ultimately, getting ripped off for it.

    But I like Moon. I think objectively it’s difficult to deny respect for him in some aspect.

  • hamel

    At last, the waning moon has set.


  • R. Elgin

    Upon reading the NYT piece, it would seem that the fellow had succeeded where KJI could only attempted in terms of developing a following. It is a pity he did not buy North Korea – maybe.

  • Ex-Ex-Pat

    No difference between a Moonie and any Christian. What an intelligent comment.

    That is about as intelligent as saying there is no difference between King Jong Il and George Bush, which I heard often enough during my sojourn in Korea.

  • RolyPoly

    “And this is the truth: There is no difference between any Christian and those who followed the Korean man.”

    Are you qualified to make this nonsense statement? There is a spiritual world. Just because you have never seen it or experienced it does not mean it does not exist.
    Jesus has resurrected from death to show humans how it is done.

  • RolyPoly

    똥and 된장may look the same in distance but they are totally different substance.

  • Drowned before the ship sank

    Oh please, can we listen to a long ramble about how the bible and Christianity are much better than any other religion. People will believe what they want to believe and what makes the stuff the Moonies go on about any different than what the Pope or some southern Baptist minister goes on about. Save the preaching for somewhere else please.

  • Ex-Ex-Pat

    The difference is not so much in the rhetoric, but in the practice. Moon’s church prayed on vulnerable lonely people and exploited them.

    I am not a Christian, but it is amazing how blinded some people are by their prejudices that they cannot tell the difference between a legitimate religion and a sick cult.

    Again, I am not a Christian. I just can’t stand craven stupidity.

  • Rambutan

    “Moon’s church prayed on vulnerable lonely people and exploited them.”

    Good thing that never happens in Christian churches.

  • R. Elgin

    True enough; it seems more like there are too many people who are happy to manipulate and play others, no matter what your flavour.

  • Ex-Ex-Pat

    There are levels of manipulation. You are manipulated by Starbucks. Hitler used manipulation. But Starbucks is not on the same level as Hitler despite what Bob Horton would have you believe.

    In the 70s, I remember a Moonie once knocked on the door of my family home at Midnight and begged us to buy one of her flowers.

    Moon taught that his members had to free their ancestors from bondage and get them to heaven. They did this by selling flowers for a buck in bars and on the streets. This is not the same thing as Father Flannegan having a second collection after communion for the bishop’s appeal fund.

  • αβγδε

    It’s splitting hairs. Stop it please. This is what dopey, our apologetic non-Christian Ex-Ex up there, needs to do or hasn’t understood yet, bless his naive little heart.

    But I wasn’t referring to practices or considering what these fake religions are from the point of view of church viz people, how religion harms or benefits others. This consideration has always struck me as a bit small-minded, even if there’s a lot to say about religion here too.

    Point is–intuition and credibility. Anyone who’s not a Moonie laughs at Moonies and easily believes — no way that Korean could be an annointed second coming of Jesus or whatever mythological pitch that’s ever been associated with Sunny Moon. It’s easy to dismiss the religion. But then again if you are Moonie then that’s all that you know. And you can’t see the world from another point of view. And then again, likewise, if you are a Christian then that’s all that you know, and if you’re not a Christian it’s easy to see how shrouded in unshakeable bull that Christians in their turn are.

    I am really just echoing the wisdom that “the theist says that every God but his is false; the atheist simply doesn’t make the exception for the last one.”

    It was apt to refer to Kim Jong Il, too. What’s the difference between a Nork and and those uber-stereotypical American Jesus Gooks? Psychologically — a different dude at the center.

  • Drowned before the ship sank

    Amen αβγδε!

  • RolyPoly

    You are like a little child who speaks about sex.

    In other words, you do not know what you are talking about.

    If you have some deep religious experience, then we will hear you.

  • αβγδε

    And you are exactly like those Insane Clown Posse dudes going crazy in awe over rainbows, flowers, purples hearts, and clovers.

    I can in a way subjectively sympathize or understand these emotional imps such as these clowns or dolts such as yourself, Rolypoly. But then there is the objective truth about these people.


    If you have some deep religious experience, then we will hear you.

    You mean the deep religious experiences that Moon had? Or Muhammad? You stupid curr. Your Christian faith is entirely the result of childish emotion.

  • RolyPoly

    If you dismiss the Jewish history, the reports on Jesus(=Gospels) and Christian history altogether as nonsense, just read Revelation, the last book of the Bible.

    And, you tell me that it is subjective.

    If you have a unbiased mind, you will find the book way beyond probabilistic odds.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    If you have had sushi in the U.S. chances are you’ve tried some of the Moonies major product.


  • αβγδε

    LOL. The brainwash-speak of a Christian never gets old for me, guys. It’s always funny.

    But, seriously, I’ve read the NT many times by now. I think I’d rather finish reading Harry Potter instead than read that thing again. LOL. Yeah, remember Harry Potter? The guy who strikes fear, jealousy, and loathing in all your Christian brethren? LOL.

  • αβγδε

    I wonder if Moon produced- or, birthed- many divine scribes from some wickedly deep religious experiences. I wonder what the expanse of holy literature is for that guy. Rolyp0ly, don’t be jealous if he has.

  • http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

    I have a grudging respect for cult leaders and other non-destructive conmen – say what you will of them, they often have incredible charisma. Jesus was the greatest of them, but Moon-man did pretty well for himself as well, and in an era where he had to fight against unfettered science, education and knowledge, his con-job was even more impressive. Imagine what he could have built when superstition ruled the day. The bloke also had 14 (known) kids. Kudos.

    RIP 선명 – that was one hell of a racket you were running.

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    αβγδε admits to being slightly delusional in some respect:

    “There is no difference between any Christian and those who followed the Korean man. They are all equally delusional . . . . But I like Moon. I think objectively it’s difficult to deny respect for him in some aspect.”

    Even a madman can speak the truth, so αβγδε is right that anyone who worships Moon is a lunatic . . . in some aspect.

    Jeffery Hodges

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  • PineForest

    There’s a sucker born every minute. And the moonster knew it.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com setnaffa

    Luke 16:19-31 (NIV)

    “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

    “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

    “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

    “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

    “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

    “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

    “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    Just saw Mike Breen interviewed about Moon on CNN. Looked like a deer frozen in the headlights of the agenda-driven media drive-by questions looking for confirmation that Moon was nothing more than a cult leader – as if, as Breen finally was able to get out, all religious leaders start out as ” cult” leaders (not that all religions are not “cults, imo)

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    As if all religios leaders DIDN’T start out

  • commander

    The Moon man may have been an extraordinarily charismatic and successful con man/pseudo-messiah, but he was even more successful as a businessman. His Unification Church is probably one of the biggest chaebols in Korea, with holdings in media, entertainment, real estate (including a good chunk of the prime Hannam-dong UN Village), etc. He built a fabulous white domed castle in Yu-myeong mountain in Ga-pyeong that can be seen from Seorak IC. The dude milked his followers for all they were worth, grew his cult, and somehow turned all of it into a billion dollar empire. The man was a genius, I state that as a fact and without any admiration.

  • YangachiBastardo

    The original Oppa Gangnam style

  • RolyPoly

    Moon is a good example whom Satan can use.

    Moon started as a Christian minister. But, when he is imprisoned for his faith, he gave his soul to Satan.

    What happened next is quite amazing. It shows the power of Satan. He opened a cult where women have to sleep with him to purify the blood line. He had sex with every female member of the cult!

    Then, he went to Japan. The same thing. Then, to America and the world.

    Unlimited money and sex. Everything on a plate. αβγδε, do you want to sell your soul to Satan? He will give you everything you want.

    But, your soul will suffer for eternity.

    Jesus saves!

  • RolyPoly

    How can a man who speaks almost no English can rule the world? Unlimited money and power. Influencing world politics and dictate terms to NK and China ( or even the US)?

    Satan has power. No doubt about it.

    But, God has more power. And, He gave the world to Jesus.

    Jesus will judge you when you are done on this earth. He has power to send your soul to Heaven or Hell.

    John Lennon imagined wrong.

  • RolyPoly

    I went to a Moonie meeting just to see this nonsense myself.

    A western woman was crying because she was so happy to wash Moon’s underwear. She says she was so chosen to wash Messiah’s stinking underwear.

    This is the power of Satan. αβγδε, just give your soul to Satan. You can be the next Moon. Gorgeous models will be so “blessed” to wash your underwear.

    Anything you want. You can own the whole world through Satan.

  • http://geoju.kr fanwarrior

    on the way home yesterday I noticed a woman who had a table set up. She was giving away free copies of his book to people passing by.

  • R. Elgin

    My dear “kitty-enabled” fellow, that is why I said that Kim Jongil was an amature compared to Mr. Moon.

    P.S. John Lennon is a pretty good fellow after everything is said and done and I am reading on Saul of Taursis lately. *That* is an interesting topic.

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    RolyPoly (aka Baduk) writes in nr. 30:

    “This is the power of Satan . . . . [J]ust give your soul to Satan . . . . [for a]nything you want. You can own the whole world through Satan.”

    RP, now you’re proselytizing for the Devil? Whose side are you on?

    Jeffery Hodges

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  • thedrew

    This is my 2nd post ever on this site.

    Rolypoly is leveling, no?

    If not, I’m so so scared of the KRistians in this country. They aren’t Christians, they are like some sort of genetically mutated beast that needs to be stopped.

    Awesome story: Former HR boss of mine at a conglomerate was interviewing a young gal for a job. He looked at her resume. Her father worked for the church but was dropped off in a BMW, attending school overseas and had an address in an affluent neighbourhood. His FIRST question “So, how much did your dad steal from the church?”

  • sojufan_5944

    good riddance to that man!

  • http://hunjang.blogspot.com Antti

    Washington Times 15th Anniversary Dinner (Youtube), titled “It was fun until the cult leader showed up!”

  • PekingMan

    Decent interview with a former US member of the Moonies in the UK Guardian today:


  • yuna

    RolyPoly the artist formerly known as Paduk is the only other commenter who is as funny as Jeffery Hodges. In the case of the former I cannot tell if it’s advertent or inadvertent. I usually find funny only those comedians who don’t take themselves seriously (that’s probably why I don’t really like what I have seen of The Daily Show), but in the case of RolyPoly he manages to toe the line between a madman and a brilliant madman pretending to be a madman very well.

  • yuna

    He’s like a brilliant pastiche of all of Korean ajossi’s mentality rolled up into a stuffed animal.

  • commander

    “So, how much did your dad steal from the church?”

    It’s all about the money. The sad thing is that the dad probably didn’t even have to steal from the church if he was an insider. They milk the congregation and have enough to build million dollar fancy church buildings with enough left over to line their pockets and buy the BMWs and expensive homes.

  • R. Elgin

    Per #39, you forget the kitty picture.

    Example like this man are why I really believe that evangelical Christian sects, in Korea, are a CURSE upon society and are some of the lowest sort of fakes, phonies and con artists around. It all comes down to the money as well.

    I can admire the Buddhist monk or the Catholic nun but I almost always pity the evangelical type that goes around trying to spread *their* message.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936


    You seem to forget that atheism has Stalin in their camp. Here is a guy that killed 40 million people (20 million kulaks and 20 million Ukrainians) without hardly batting an eye.

    Say what you want about religious leaders, but I have not seen one who could do that (other than truly fringe nuts with relatively small followings like the Branch Davidians and Jim Jones).

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936


    Yes, ajushis are crazy. Some of them are certifiably nuts. But people like you and I can only be so critical of them. They did put food on our tables.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    Yuna, not Yona. Doesn’t help that I’m currently seeing a girl named Yona instead of Yuna… 😛

  • slim

    Man, the comment section(s) on Moon over at the WSJ Korea Real Time is packed with die-hard cultists. I thought the cult had dwindled in recent decades.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    Maybe not “dwindled” per se. Maybe just quieter.

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    “RolyPoly the artist formerly known as Paduk is the only other commenter who is as funny as Jeffery Hodges. In the case of the former I cannot tell if it’s advertent or inadvertent.”

    RP (aka Baduk) is far funnier than I am, and I think that he’s intentionally funny a lot of the time — and even funnier when he’s not intending it! He’s just a fun, funny guy.

    Jeffery Hodges

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  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    Things yonic are seemingly on WangKon’s mind . . .

    Jeffery Hodges

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  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    Yeah, I made the mistake in calling her Yuna (because it is a lot more common) early on and she made me pay for it…. 😛

    It’s Yoh-Na (요나), not Yuna (연아).

  • yuna

    I’m not critical of him. If there were more like him on this blog (he is beyond taking offense, which is another characteristic of a madman, either that or he shits and leaves the thread, seldom checking it again) the blog would be a better place ^^.

  • yuna

    Sounds precariously close to “eats shoots and leaves”

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936
  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    This is odd, considering that Moon was staunchly anti-Communist…


  • αβγδε


    How your reply to me follows from anything I wrote, I don’t have a fucking clue.

    Maybe you can’t read very well or maybe you are unable to think through this subject outside of platitudes.