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Samsung better for America than Apple?

So ponders the Korea Times.

Apparently jurors should have shrugged off what the KT has twice this week claimed to be a verdict based on patriotism, because, in fact, “Samsung contributes a lot to the US economy.

If the jury believed it was patriotic in its $1 billion verdict in favor of Apple over Samsung Electronics, it might be wrong.

“Apple may be the pride of the United States and Americans. But when you think about real economic effects, you can’t say Apple is better than Samsung,’’ said Park Hyun from local brokerage Tong Yang Investment, Tuesday.

I don’t know about that. And I don’t know about the rest of you Miguks, but about the only American business I can say was ever a source of “pride” for me was the Kool-Aid company when I was ten or eleven years old and the SF Giants franchise which has been a sporadic source of both pride and misery.

The article then tills the quote archive, offering up Cali governor Jerry Brown speaking of the recent expansion of a Samsung R&D facility in San Jose —within a stones-throw of Apple’s Cupertino digs.

“Samsung’s expansion in California is great news and it further strengthens the state’s role as a world leader in innovation,’’ said Brown in a statement. “Here’s a case where government and business work together and everyone benefits.’’

Whereas

In contrast, Apple invested $500 million to build a data center in North Carolina that has just 100 full-time employees, while it was hiring more than 200,000 people outside the United States.

And while you’re working at halting the export of Silicon Valley data management jobs to North Carolina and assembly line jobs to China, America, as a country, should reform a judicial system that puts complex decisions in the hands of the unsophisticated masses.

This highly complex dispute was decided by a jury rather than a judge and jurors tend to issue more generous awards for patent violations, according to experts.

About the author: Founder/CEO of Meme Communications Korea – www.memecommunications.com

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    This is related to a question that I previously raised in my blog: which is better for the national economy, Apple or Samsung? Here is the ledger:

    Apple – an unquestionable leader in technology whose products are desired by billions around the globe; outsources most of its productions and therefore generates few jobs in your country; creates huge amounts of wealth that can only be accessed by Apple executives and shareholders; the outsourced work force suffers from awful labor conditions.

    Samsung – suffers from an image problem as an uninnovative copycat (further affirmed by this litigation); generates hundreds of thousands of jobs in your country; not worth as much as Apple; probably owns most politicians in your country in your pocket and distorts the domestic market to a significant degree.

    I lean slightly toward the better job-creator, but I can be persuaded otherwise.

  • http://www.busanhaps.com Bobby McGill

    Nicely put TK. Based on how they benefit their host country overall Samsung gets the edge from me too.

    The proposal that the jurors, had they ruled out of patriotism, should have considered Samsung of more or even equal value to the US economy is a stretch.

    More perplexing is how you let the SF Giant’s comment slip by –oh, yes,that’s right, they are in first place.

  • Thegreek

    Uggggggh.

    That sums up how I feel. This is a huge slippery slope of assumptions that tries to frame the issue in the Korean mindset. Basically KT is saying that that the jury should have based it’s decision on “which was better for the U.S. economy,” instead of some “patriotic” pride. Korea assumes America is “defending” Apple simply because it’s American.

    No way Americans are as patriotic in Apple are Koreans are in Samsung. It’s apples (pardon the pun) and oranges. Apple could go bankrupt for all I care. The ONLY thing I’m proud of is the American fundamental that we have a system that allows the innovative and productive to succeed. Whether that is Apple, Planters nuts, or Bob’s wrench shop.

    To even assume that Americans would be swayed by an argument of “well, because of our economic contributions to America, we should say that Samsung is ‘better’ than Apple” makes me shudder.

  • CactusMcHarris

    #2,

    And they’re managed by a former catcher who (perhaps) has the largest head in the major leagues – we call him ‘Chief Little Face’. I don’t think they’ll beat the Dodgers for the division (which I don’t like – the Dodgers should finish last every year), but I definitely see them as the WC.

    And it’s great to pontificate about it in the papers as what was the moral thing to do (based on jobs), but TK’s usually on the side of the needs of the many outweighing the needs of the (comparatively) few – that I dig. Apple’s commitment to America in domestic jobs, unlike Samsung’s, is miniscule.

  • http://www.busanhaps.com Bobby McGill

    Cactus I am with you on the importance of the needs of the many (insert Jim Kirk to Spock joke here).

    Both companies are all about the bottom line and there are countless things to consider as to how they influence the lives of the many. How much tax is paid, how many jobs the products themselves create, the effect of the technology created on streamlining the economy, what the fat cats are doing with their earnings, how much is being donated to charity, etc.

    Now that would be a well-rounded, well researched article I would like to see rather than this jab and fade piece attacking the juror’s “patriotism.”

    Interesting link on most charitable companies in America; Apple, which is sitting on mass cash reserves, ain’t one of them. Though apparently Tim Cook is seeking to change that
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-10-most-charitable-companies-in-america.html

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    The proposal that the jurors, had they ruled out of patriotism, should have considered Samsung of more or even equal value to the US economy is a stretch.

    You’re the one who wrote a post based on a KT article, not me :p

    More perplexing is how you let the SF Giant’s comment slip by –oh, yes,that’s right, they are in first place.

    I regret to report that the steroid era permanently soured baseball for me. Just can’t get into it anymore.

  • Creo69

    ” I lean slightly toward the better job-creator, but I can be persuaded otherwise.”

    America needs jobs but what it needs even more at yhis juncture is inspiration. Small business growth is the key to renewed American prosperity and without inspiration that will not occur. Steve Jobs created the most valuable company in the world from nothing and also created a company which inspires others. I would stick with Apple any day.

  • http://www.busanhaps.com Bobby McGill

    I was still moaning about the article not your comment, TK.

    And how do you do make those drop quotes in the comments section, seon-saeng-nim?

  • jkitchstk

    If it weren’t for Apple, Samesung wouldn’t be employing as many people. Samsung is given way too much credit “creating jobs.” The KT has no idea about Americans and the Apple/Samsung jurors or they’re avoiding the truth. They figure that Americans must be nationalistic simply because Koreans are to the extreme.

    Is the Korean media telling Korean people that Apple got their hands on Samesung email copycat correspondence evidence or is it just that Americans are stupid, nationalistic, etc…?

    I see it as more respect for Steve Jobs and maybe Apple benefited slightly from the book or his recent death is still in their minds. Samesung has R&D in San Jose so the logic that the jurors sided with Apple because of the close proximity to Cupertino is shot.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    It’s the KT, com’on people. However, Samsung does actually employ people in manufacturing plants in Austin, TX, something Apple outsourced away a long time ago…

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    One thing I must say is that Apple is starting to remind me of Microsoft in the 90′s. That company was also cash rich, generating similar margins (in terms of percentage) to the Apple of today. It got lazy and complacent in the 2000′s, almost missing the entire mobile revolution.

    One thing that worries me about Apple is it’s product pipeline. After the death of Steve Jobs, who is gonna constantly push for more innovation? Ives is a design guy. I don’t know if he’s the “pusher” that Jobs was. Cook is a supply chain and operations guy. There are many stories where operations people didn’t have the vision to sustain growth. Companies cannot live by bread alone.

    What’s currently in Apple’s pipeline? A smaller iPad. Okay. The iPhone 5. Okay. Maybe this iTV I keep hearing about that they may make with Sharp or LG. That will give them what? A five year run? What’s after that? Tim Cook doesn’t strike me as the anal guy that Jobs was.

    Has anyone read Isaacson’s bio of Steve Jobs? I have. One thing that struck me was that it was Steve that put a fire in everyone’s behind to get sh*t done, keep moving, etc. Now? I’m afraid this company makes too much money to really care, IMHO. I have this fear that it will ossify, like any monopoly naturally does. It can get complacent because if you are minting money and there are huge barriers to entry for competitors, it’s human nature to just ease up on the accelerator.

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    America needs jobs but what it needs even more at yhis juncture is inspiration. Small business growth is the key to renewed American prosperity and without inspiration that will not occur.

    Inspiration pays nothing, and the importance of small businesses is vastly overrated. There are a lot of good reasons to pick Apple over Samsung, but “inspiration” is not one of them.

    If it weren’t for Apple, Samesung wouldn’t be employing as many people.

    Samsung was employing just as many people when iPod was no more than Steve Jobs’ fevered dream. But then again, facts don’t matter to you, right?

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    … and huge barriers to entry is what killed the Japanese electronics industry. Why innovate why you have 120 million captive consumers?

  • cm

    Regarding the charges of nationalism against the jurors, I can see where the Samsung law team made a huge mistake. They called up stiff looking Korean executives on stands with interpreters and video testimonials, which probably completely alienated the jurors. That’s what one of the jurors mentioned in an interview.

    In that regard, Google probably would have had better luck in the trial, than Samsung because they are culturally American. Were the jurors biased? Maybe to a degree subconsciously, but I certainly don’t think it was intentional nor were there any conspiracy.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    ‘If it weren’t for Apple, Samesung wouldn’t be employing as many people.’ creepo

    ‘Samsung was employing just as many people when iPod was no more than Steve Jobs’ fevered dream. But then again, facts don’t matter to you, right?’ aak

    what do you have say about this, creepo?

  • YangachiBastardo

    As much as i hate it, i’m with creo on this.

    Apple is a huge source of pride and inspiration for America nowadays, one of the top, if not the top, jewel in Corporate America crown.

    Let alone the fact thatApple stock ownership is so common they actualy did a decent job in spreading the wealth around.

    And yes i’d bet not a finger but sure my next bonus that there was a nationaistic bias in the decision

  • cm

    Samsung lawyers should have pounded the fact to the jurors that Americans are employed in Samsung factories in the States, and how many jobs they provide for Americans (not just call centers). If they didn’t, that’s another mistake they made.

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    “Samsung lawyers should have pounded the fact to the jurors that Americans are employed in Samsung factories in the States, and how many jobs they provide for Americans . . .”

    I don’t think that would have worked even if the jurors were influenced by nationalism. They would have seen it as a ploy aimed at swaying their emotions by appeal to an irrelevant issue.

    What the jurors claim is that they looked primarily at two things:

    1) the internal Samsung emails showing reactions to the iPhone, namely, the admissions that Samsung had nothing like it

    2) the comparison of Samsung cell phones before and after the advent of the iPhone, which were radically different

    The jurors thus claim to have based their decision on the evidence. I reserve judgment on this point and do not assume that they were uninfluenced by nationalism (indeed, I raised that very issue in an early comment here on TMH), but the jurors’ nationalism — if it played a role — was too subtle to be positively swayed by overt references to Samsung as being good for the US economy or as supplying jobs for Americans.

    In my opinion, of course . . .

    Jeffery Hodges

    * * *

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    Let alone the fact thatApple stock ownership is so common they actualy did a decent job in spreading the wealth around.

    I think this is a decent point in favor of Apple. But stock ownership is such a middle-class-and-above sort of thing. The job ecosystem that Samsung creates reaches all the way down to the poor.

  • JW

    Wait…hasn’t Samsung Electronics stock performed incredibly well during the same timespan as Apple? So I’m not sure why it would be a point in favor of Apple…I would think it’s a push.

  • CactusMcHarris

    #7 Bobby,

    It has something to do with blockquotes and a secret language of wizards, but basically it’s

    and

  • CactusMcHarris

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    and the same thing repeated but with the verigule in front of it, using the both times.

    You can thank your Uncle Brendon for the learnin’.

  • jkitchstk

    thekorean,
    “Samsung was employing just as many people when iPod was no more than Steve Jobs’ fevered dream. But then again, facts don’t matter to you, right?”

    Link? Anyway, I wasn’t comparing. It was a simple statement of fact!

    “I see it as more respect for Steve Jobs”

    And who are Americans suppose to respect for Samesung???

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    YB,

    “Apple is a huge source of pride and inspiration for America nowadays, one of the top, if not the top, jewel in Corporate America crown.”

    I don’t think the success of Apple should make Americans lose sight of the fact that there is still work that needs to be done. There are still many American companies that are grossly underperforming or gone. Look at GM, Ford, HP, Kodak, Moto, RIM (Canadian), the entire American financial system (including BofA, AIG, Citigroup, Bear Sterns, etc.), Altria, TimeWarner…

    American’s shouldn’t look at Apple and pat themselves on the back.

  • YangachiBastardo

    JW: true enough but Samsung Electronics is not so commonly hold by American households as Apple

    The job ecosystem that Samsung creates reaches all the way down to the poor

    True…by the way unlike others here i love Samsung and i love their flexibility and speed in moving into new businesses and products, very surprising for a chaebol, in that sense they are a very innovative company

    WK: yes the American economy is still really sucky and way suckier imho than what the media report). Still, if we discount some small resources -rich nations, in the Western Kingdom of the Blind she’s still the one-eyed Queen.

    On top of that Corporate America is still rich with top of the food chain companies, often in an oligopolistic position. Unlike Europe where most companies are of the midtier variety, soon to be annhilated by the next wave of Chinese ladder climbing.

  • Creo69

    ” Inspiration pays nothing, and the importance of small businesses is vastly overrated. There are a lot of good reasons to pick Apple over Samsung, but “inspiration” is not one of them.”

    Inspiration is what creates and fuels new industries and technologies. And, the importance of small business has been put on the back burner…you are correct about that, however look where over reliance on big business jobs and corporate America got America. Americans need to become a countrymof innovators again and this requires massive amounts of inspiriation. Companies like Apple are the best source for that.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    articles appearing saying samsung sales are booming thanks to apple. the jury concluded the galaxy is an i phone. yet, its cheaper!
    thanks, apple.

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    look where over reliance on big business jobs and corporate America got America.

    Would you rather be Greece, Italy, Portugal or Spain? Those are the countries that lead the Western World in the portion of small companies. On the other hand, Korea has even higher concentration of larger companies in its economy, and Korea dealt with the downturn in economy as well as any advanced industrial country in the world.

    Americans need to become a countrymof innovators again and this requires massive amounts of inspiriation. Companies like Apple are the best source for that.

    This is such ludicrous Apple worship that I am at a loss for words.

  • iMe

    Creo69 @6
    what do you mean America needs inspiration at this juncture? You mean Hopey the Clown wasn’t it?

    Do you know how difficult it has become to start a small business in America? Do you know how many bureaucratic hurdles one has to jump thru and how many license and permits one has to obtain just to set up a lemonade stand nowadays? Do you know how often small business owners get harassed by government employees to produce documents, report whatever data they’re looking for and are told to comply with new regulations and rules they’ve concocted at any given moment? Basically, it’s a nightmare. And even if you go through all these hurdles and finally open up your business, you either get taxed to death or driven out of business by the Wal Marts of the world.

    America doesn’t need inspiration to get its economy going again. America needs its gangsta government to get the fuck out of the way and leave people alone so that people can go out and get creative. America needs to lower its taxes drastically so that more people can keep more of their hard-earned money and do as they please. America needs to deregulate and then deregulate some more so that companies and individuals can invest without fear. America needs to get rid of its Federal Reserve system and return to sound money which would keep our government’s reckless spending behavior in check and restore free market. But first, we must kill all lawyers. That was a joke. No, not really. Okay, it was. No, it wasn’t…

    JW @19
    Both Samsung & Apple have done quite well over the last few years but much of that is due to Bernanke’s free money via QE 1 & 2. Sure, they’ve done well as companies but their stocks have returned nearly 70% this year alone. That’s just ridiculous. Personally, I’d love to dump my Apple & Samsung shares and buy more consumer staples and hard assets. Because at some point, people aren’t going to want or need the latest thingamajig. And when all these 20 & 30-something virgins finally start to get laid, it’ll be the death of i-galaxy or whatever.

  • Creo69

    ” Would you rather be Greece, Italy, Portugal or Spain? Those are the countries that lead the Western World in the portion of small companies. On the other hand, Korea has even higher concentration of larger companies in its economy, and Korea dealt with the downturn in economy as well as any advanced industrial country in the world.”

    Smomething like 28% of colleg grads in Korea can’t find a job…and guys in their early 50s and even younger are pushed into early retirement by Korean corps.

    As far a wearhering the downturn, it is hardly over for Korea. In fact the problems with the housing market, where many Koreans have wealth, are JUST heating up. Korea still has a lot of pain to come so no one can be talking about how well Korea has rode out the storm…personal debt is going to be bankrupting many here as well. Koreans are just not at the point of crisis America has surpassed already.

  • iMe

    Creo69,
    please stop. You’re killing me!

    “Koreans are just not at the point of crisis America has surpassed already.”

    So, we’ve weathered the storm, eh? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Oh, gawd…This is why I’m against our Dept of Education. Such a waste.

  • YangachiBastardo

    Would you rather be Greece, Italy, Portugal or Spain? Those are the countries that lead the Western World in the portion of small companies

    I respectfully disagree, that chart doesn’t show any correlation: Australia has a higher share of small businesses than Belgium and Netherlands and a vasty healthier economy than highy indebted Belgium (a country oscillating between soft-core and pig status) and deep-recession Netherlands.

    Hungary and Mexico, 2 nations with a comparable level of development, show also a similar rate of small businesses: Mexico is growing solidly while Hungary is in a desperate situation.

    Czech Republic and Slovenia (a country nobody talks about but basically another Mediterranean bust) show a low share of small businesses: they’re currenty in a deep recession while Poland, with many more small firms, is the star of Eastern Europe.

    France is at the bottom of the list and still it’s basically just a pretentious PIIG.

    Even if we move to the Mediterranean hellhole we see how Italy has significantly more small businesses than Spain and still our economy is nowhere as atrocious as Spain.

    Koreans are just not at the point of crisis America has surpassed already

    If you think a country with a 100%+ debt to GDP ratio (and rapidly growing) has overcome the crisis, i suggest you read Reinhart and Rogoff work.

    If you did implement half of the budget discipline we adopted in the last 2 years your economy would make 2008 look like a kiddie b day party with Timmy the Clown

  • Creo69

    ” America doesn’t need inspiration to get its economy going again. America needs its gangsta government to get the fuck out of the way …”

    Agreed.

  • YangachiBastardo

    But of course balanced budgets are for pussies and reactionaries, we just need to give everybody a subprime car loan to buy some GM garbage and some job digging up holes and everything will be allright.

    Paul Krugman said so, what can possibly go wrong ?

  • YangachiBastardo

    Forgot to mention the Uk: at the bottom of the list and so far it weathered the downturn horribly, with a per capita GDP decline only marginally better than Japan and Italy and with an explosive budget deficit on top of that

  • Creo69

    ” But of course balanced budgets are for pussies and reactionaries, we just need to give everybody a subprime car loan to buy some GM garbage and some job digging up holes and everything will be allright.”

    Actually, after allthe pain Americans are OK with alright for a bit. My brother is an engineer in CA and his house is now worth way less than he owes. He is grateful for his kidsvand wife and has a long term outlook. Many Americanc would love to get back on their feet with that job digging holes. We Americans have never been afraid of dirty or difficult work.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    YB,

    You are such a liar. Paul Krugman said no such thing. He says the best stimulus would be an alien invasion!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/21/paul-krugman-alien-invasion_n_1612973.html

  • YangachiBastardo

    Many Americanc would love to get back on their feet with that job digging holes. We Americans have never been afraid of dirty or difficult work

    I didn’t want to smear hard manual work, i meant it as an example of unproductive, often Government-generated, jobs.

    Actully this is a huge problem: it is very difficult to achieve real growth, meaning some investments that actually pay off their cost of capital and hence are viable. Lots of private ventures appear so cos they’re directly or indirectly subsidised by an ever growing stockpile of public debt.

    If we take a look at the trajectory of pretty much every advanced economy (including newly industrialised nations like Korea) we see how the overall debt-to-GDP ratio has been constantly growing. It takes more and more dollars of additional debt to produce lower and lower GDP increments. This is the elephant in the room imho.

    I’d like to remind people that up til 2009 included Greece appeared to be the fastest growing economy in Western Europe. Once the debt spigots closed…poof all gone

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    YB,

    What would you rather do? Hire a lot of people to dig ditches or put them in jail where they do nothing?

    Government jobs are kinda like cake mix. Makes you think you are doing the cooking when all you are really doing is dropping one egg in the batter and stuffing into in the oven. Any well trained monkey can do that.

  • cm

    Korean media says Samsung phones are doing a rip roaring business in America, after this verdict giving Apple the victory. Samsung phones are so popular, they’re completely selling out in all major retailers like Costco. Analysts are saying that it’s the Apple’s advertisement of Samsung effect taking place. But I think it’s the anti-Apple feeling that’s sweeping over much the consumers all over the world. If this hot selling keeps up, Samsung might just be able to earn back all the money it lost in the suit, in no time.

    http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?mode=LSD&mid=sec&sid1=105&oid=277&aid=0002834002

  • Creo69

    “But I think it’s the anti-Apple feeling that’s sweeping over much the consumers all over the world. If this hot selling keeps up, Samsung might just be able to earn back all the money it lost in the suit, in no time.”

    Cm, This could easily be the case. I was watching an interview with Howard Schultz, the CEO of Starbucks, last night and it was very interesting. At one point Starbucks over saturated America and Americans became sick of having Starbucks in their face. Schultz had to close something like 800 Starbucks locations, for other reasons as well.

    That said, with the changes he made domestically and growth abroad 2010 was the best year Starbucks has ever had. And as Schultz pointed out, Starbucks has less than 10% of the coffee market in the US…still a big prize to go after in America. However he now recognizes that Starbucks, along with any corporation, needs to approach the market in way where they do not over extend their welcome as a fixture in the culture.

    Apple could very well suffer in the short term from this decision many Americans will view as a hindrance to innovation and free enterprise.

  • http://blog.oranckay.net oranckay

    For those looking for some more voices of reason in Korea regarding the A v SS case beyond 정우성 (I linked in comment in previous MH post), one will enjoy the following. Do especially see section three:

    http://www.mediatoday.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=104512

  • iMe

    Samsung quickly gaining back all their losses. Currently trading at 1,222,000w per share. Ridiculous.

    Creo69,
    Americans hate physical labor. Americans would rather receive welfare checks & food stamps than break a sweat and make an honest buck. If you want to see hard working people, watch Mexicans work. They’re not afraid of hard labor.

  • Jed

    Don’t know who’s better for America, but Samsung is definitely “better” for Korea than Apple is for America. Samsung contributes roughly 20% of Korean GDP (Apple 0.4%). That is a crazy number and can explain why a lawsuit involving Samsung is high on the collective consciousness of Korea and high on the collective consciousness of Amercians who head for the tech section of cnn or wired, engadget etc.

  • Creo69

    “Creo69,
    Americans hate physical labor. Americans would rather receive welfare checks & food stamps than break a sweat and make an honest buck. If you want to see hard working people, watch Mexicans work. They’re not afraid of hard labor.”

    Simply untrue. I am American and had many physical labor jobs I did in the past (through college) and have many friends in the US who still do blue collar and manual labor jobs and take pride in what they do.

    Are you going to get an American to pick oranges for $3 an hour. No, that isn’t an issue of adversity to hard labor that is just common sense that time would be better spent educating yourself for a decent paying labor based trade job or looking for a fast food job that will pay almost triple that.

  • JW

    Samsung contributes roughly 20% of Korean GDP (Apple 0.4%)

    That’s for Samsung GROUP. But even if you were to compare Samsung Electronics to Apple, it wouldn’t be an apples to apples comparison, I don’t think.

  • iMe

    so that explains hundreds and thousands of unemployed college graduates i see lining up to work at factories, warehouses and construction sites every morning demanding they get hired over illegal immigrants! oh, wait…no. it’s just a bunch of HS dropouts lining up outside of medical marijuana shops. my bad.

  • Creo69

    “so that explains hundreds and thousands of unemployed college graduates i see lining up to work at factories, warehouses and construction sites every morning demanding they get hired over illegal immigrants!”

    What would be the sense of getting in line for a job you simply aren’t going to get hired for? Employers who hire ILLEGAL workers do it for a reason. They want to get out of paying the basics that are required under the law to LEGAL workers. These same pieces of garbage love to hire illegal workers because they know they are afraid of the authorities and are not going to report them. They don’t care about a legal worker’s skills, degrees or work ethic. They are looking for people who will run like hell when the authorities show up and report back to work once they are gone.

    When I worked in sales in Los Angeles, I would regularly clear out entire garment factories simply by walking in the door in a suit with my white face. That is, if I could find the chance to get through the one door that wasn’t locked when someone wasn’t around it to keep people out (the key to that is catching them when they are in the can).

    Exactly how the hell do you expect a college graduate to get into a place like that for an interview in the first place. I guarantee you those types of people certainly don’t want (or allow) a line of college graduates to linger around their operation every morning.

  • feld_dog

    Yes, yes, Creo.
    But if we elect Romney, he will be sure to get the Gangsa Government of our backs*, so that employers WON’T HAVE TO, you know, respect any kind of worker “rights”. Bring us right back to America’s glory years, when children could work in machine shops and coal mines and you’d get your head busted if you dared talk about unionizing. Then college grads will happily line up for work as day laborers! Go Romney!!!
    *Doesn’t apply to women who want the freedom to get free birthcontrol, sleep around, get pregnant, and then murder their unborn babies.

  • cm

    iMe, Americans value hard manual work with acceptable to good pay. They’re not going to work back breaking work for $3 an hour. It’s the Koreans who don’t want to do manual work even if it pays reasonably well.

  • http://www.busanhaps.com Bobby McGill

    For those looking to get a bump in their YouTube hits I suggest making a new Psy parody:

    Samsung Apple Style.
    Sa-Sa-Sa-Sa-Sa Samsung Apple style.

    Catchy, no?

  • RolyPoly

    Apple: I told you for years that I am going to get you.
    Sam: Huh?
    Apple: You were looking at my round bottom and I saw you trying on my clothes.
    Sam: Is it such a big deal? Baby, I love your look-and-feel. You are the best. I love you,gal.
    Apple: You never believed me that I am going to ruin you. You dumb ass. You deserve all you got.
    Sam: But, baby, we were a team. Who supplied your inside and fixed you to make a beautiful face. It was me.
    Apple: (the music … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPudE8nDog0) I always knew I was better than you. More advanced. More refined.
    Sam: But your lover, Steve, is dead. Baby, come back to me. Let’s be a team again.

  • jkitchstk

    Samsung better for America than Apple?

    Yes, of course Samsung because Americans can learn from Samsung’s Chairman who is the most qualified to represent Koreans with the highest moral standards, you know things like the ethics of tax evasion, Family Fued 2012, and slush funds. Instead of Romney/Ryan, the ideal ticket would be Lee/Romney 2012.

  • hardyandtiny

    trying

    Don’t know who’s better for America, but Samsung is definitely “better” for Korea than Apple is for America. Samsung contributes roughly 20% of Korean GDP (Apple 0.4%). That is a crazy number and can explain why a lawsuit involving Samsung is high on the collective consciousness of…

    trying

  • hardyandtiny

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  • hardyandtiny

    okay, i wasted enough space
    thanks

  • hamel

    hardyandtiny: you get the honorary Sperwer award for today.

  • PineForest

    Dear Samsung,

    Americans are not quite as gullible on the brain dead nationalism point of view as Koreans, and you still deserve to pay Apple a cool billion.

    Love,
    Pineforest

  • PineForest

    P.S.
    Please don’t steal anymore.

  • Q
  • YangachiBastardo

    Americans are not quite as gullible on the brain dead nationalism point of view as Koreans

    Yeah right and Saudi Arabia is a hotspot of liberal thinking

  • slim

    1. As WangKon noted, it is the Korea Times, whose very existence is unfortunate, the odd Lankov or Breen column notwithstanding.

    2. Any call for a jury to overlook the legal aspects at hand in this case in favor of job creation, etc really tramples on the very notion of rule of law and should be dismissed out of hand.

  • Creo69

    ” Yeah right and Saudi Arabia is a hotspot of liberal thinking”

    Get real…most Americans can’t even name which country we are currently at war with. Or try to imagine if Lance Armstrong were Korean and being stripped of seven titles with no material proof. Most Americans couldn’t care less about his problems. Now, try to imagine that the Korean Lance Armstrong is having his titles stripped away by his own country (Korea). I know. Can’t get your mind around that can you because that would never, ever happen under any circumstances. Americans maybe nationalists but we are not bat ass crazy nationalists.

  • YangachiBastardo

    Creo: in all fairness i was trying to be facetious…but yes you’re not totally wrong, let me rephrase it:

    America used to be a very nationalistic place, i indeed noticed in the last few years people seem to have grown more detached and disillusioned…

    By the way i don’t think there’s anything wrong with a reasonable dosage of nationalism. I think nationalism was a powerful factor behind the rise of Asia.

    Honestly what i call, perhaps incorrectly, nationalism and slightly annoys me is the tendency, typical of Anglo Saxon and Northern European cultures, toward a bit of self-importance and self-aggrandizement.

    On the other hand, as i once said, i come from a culture that could use a bit more of decorum and seriousness, instead of running everything like a trashy comedy aimed at puberal junior high-schoolers

  • PineForest

    Yangachi,

    Your stock just seriously dropped.

  • YangachiBastardo

    DO NOT buy the effin dip ;)

  • cm

    Samsung is not going to give up. They are angrier, and they want to up the war to new levels.

    http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2012/08/133_118544.html

  • cm

    Samsung pays Apple with 30 trucks loaded with five cents coins

    http://en.paperblog.com/samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sending-30-trucks-full-of-5-cents-coins-294795/

    If you didn’t know already, it’s a joke story.

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    @68

    If Sammy follows thru and actually does develop its own original products in partnership w/ MS et al (avoiding the likely Apple war with Google), THAT benefit consumers truly – unlike some people’s misplaced view that a judgment against Apple in the recent case would have.

  • Creo69

    ” Samsung is not going to give up. They are angrier, and they want to up the war to new levels.”

    And the result of the verdict, less than one week after, is more choices for consumers..not less.

    Just as I have been saying all along.

  • cm

    They even copied and ripped off the Apple store, right down to the color of the uniform.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S10ZxJXonws&feature=player_embedded

    Couldn’t they have at least tried to make it look somewhat different with a different concept??

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    They even copied and ripped off the Apple store, right down to the color of the uniform.

    I was at a “Microsoft Store” yesterday. Same story.

  • JW

    What, no design patents for stores? Why aren’t we suing? I’m not a happy share owner today. :-)

  • Charles Tilly

    Americans are not quite as gullible on the brain dead nationalism point of view as Koreans…

    Guess you haven’t watched coverage of that big convention going on right now in Tampa.

    …it is the Korea Times, whose very existence is unfortunate, the odd Lankov or Breen column notwithstanding.

    You’re fucking deluded.

  • PineForest

    Charles,

    Tell it to the Mad Cow activists.

  • JW

    I saw a friend’s Samsung phone yesterday that looks so much like a blackberry that I was, in fact, “confused” at first thinking that it was one. RIM must right now be banging their heads against the wall for not patenting/suing, if they haven’t done so.

  • cm

    Samsung Blackjack? That’s a real old phone – pre-iphone days.

  • tinyflowers

    Samsung better for America than Apple? You can certainly make that case. Samsung certainly offers a better value to the consumer, as opposed to Apple’s overpriced desinger toys. Plus they actually believe in American manufacturing. They just recently announced a $4billion dollar investment in their Austin, TX factory:

    http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/21/samsung-4-billion-texas-plant/

    Meanwhile Apple is busy putting up anti-suicide netting at their Chinese slave labor camps. Now there’s a true Apple “innovation”. Bounce-back to work, they could call it. Patent pending.

  • paulhewson

    This could have a more long term effect on Samsung than the recent court ruling.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-28/yale-graduate-fights-korean-families-who-rule-samsung-to-hyundai.html

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    The chaebol must be broken-up in order for Korea to move forward. They have done an excellent job in helping move Korea from the 3rd world to the lower rung of the first. I’m not saying that the chaebol should be abolished, just broken up.

  • silver surfer

    Certainly America needs jobs but that’s something the government should be looking into. They can encourage large businesses to invest and/or create more favourable conditions for SMEs which, according to many economists, are by far the most dynamic source of jobs increases in any case.

    The idea that it would be worth throwing aside all principles of law and justice and showing favoritism to whichever company happens to be better for the American economy right now – as if that would fix the economy in any case – is ridiculous and offensive. Only a weasel would suggest such a thing.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    JW,

    RIM should have patented the qwerty keyboard on the phone… hahahaha.

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    This could have a more long term effect on Samsung than the recent court ruling.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-28/yale-graduate-fights-korean-families-who-rule-samsung-to-hyundai.html

    One of my favorite people in Korean politics, even though he unfortunately belongs to the NFP.

  • slim

    Korea always chickens out when it comes to taming the major chaebol — or even when enforcing various laws that chaebol rulers frequently break. Maybe part of the surprise in Korea at the Samsung ruling was that people assumed that — as implied by the Korea Times advice in this thread — Samsung would be above the law outside Korea, too.

  • Q

    Why the US keep outsourcing their business to China? That’s dumbest possible way of economic suicide. You gotta create more jobs in the US territory which I believe only way that they could stop whining over Korea.

  • slim

    Never heard of Qingdao, Yantai or Weihai?

  • tinyflowers

    throwing aside all principles of law and justice and showing favoritism

    Good description of the jury verdict.

  • anonymous5

    I actually think that Apple is being sincere when they said that the verdict was more about business values rather than monetary gain. I think it’s an observation they’ve gained in dealings with Korean companies. This statement would make a lot of sense to someone who has lived in Korea for a lengthy period and knows something about Korean culture—like a lot posters here. Pure and simple: Koreans lack a sense of morals and they will do anything for personal gain without regards to rules or boundaries—meaning they will steal, lie etc, etc. if it will advance their position. No morals or sense of right or wrong…that’s Korean culture in a nutshell… While I don’t Apple has been totally has been innocent as far as imitating competitors, I think Korean companies take it to a whole different level. I’m glad a statement has been made with this decision. Samsung is a world class company and they need to start acting like one, by which I mean they need to stop acting like a third-world couterfeiter, shamelessly stealing other people’s ideas without any moral sense.

    As for the whole Prada thing, I believe LG copied Apple first in the design of their chocolate phone which was a total ripoff of the bestselling ipod, a unique in design at the time.

    (Revised – please delete first post)

  • iMe

    Chaebols rule Korea. Military industrial complex and bankers rule America. The rest of us are serfs.

    Silver Surfer wrote:
    “The idea that it would be worth throwing aside all principles of law and justice and showing favoritism to whichever company happens to be better for the American economy right now – as if that would fix the economy in any case – is ridiculous and offensive. Only a weasel would suggest such a thing.”

    Have you been living under a rock?

  • http://www.biblegateway.com setnaffa

    “…should reform a judicial system that puts complex decisions in the hands of the unsophisticated masses…”

    When you elect lawyers (left or right) to write the laws, who do you think is going to win? “Tort Reform” is every bit as successful as the “War on Drugs”…

  • ysp

    The problem with this verdict is that it takes the application of intellectual property rights to a totally unwarranted level. This case is just a small manifestation of the major inconsistencies with the current standards of intellectual property, particularly as they apply to IT sector.

    When Apple sued Samsung for IP infringement, they were not merely laying legal claim to the physical form of their products – more crucial is that they were laying claims of ownership over an ‘intellectual and creative’ immaterial form. Smartphones are just a beginning of a wave of new information technologies that will fundamentally alter and shape the way we do things – how we communicate, do business, and methods of accessing/interacting with knowledge and information – ultimately shaping the manner in which people experience the world and each other. In effect, Apple is claiming private ownership over these things, and is attempting to dominate ‘technological fields of experience’ and drive out all competitors.

    This is why the ruling is deplorable and I hope that this precedent is not allowed to stand. Think of the behaviors and trends that this could set off in the IT industry. IP and patent law needs major reform and we need reasonable limits.

    Plus, I have this personal feeling that like Apple and iOS software is fucking (&@!#*& stupid and is for stupid people who want to be told how they are supposed to live with their technology and devices, as opposed to having the ability to adapt and use the technology for themselves ughh -_-

    Plus I’m a Korean and even though I have a lot of criticisms of Samsung, this case bothers me so i say Samsung Fighting FTW!!!!11 DESTROY APPLE pls

  • CactusMcHarris

    I know Brother Barch is particularly taken with A Certain Company, but he’s going to be really incensed if this is true.

    http://jalopnik.com/5938587/does-the-billionaire-ceo-of-samsung-own-a-stolen-15-million-ferrari

    It’s one thing to copy another’s successes, it’s another if Italian leather is involved.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    I guarantee you that the so-called “new” Samsung California facility won’t be a manufacturing plant. The “great” state of California has done everything humanly possible (besides openly declare itself Communist) to chase away manufacturing companies. It now has the unenviable statistic of having government spending contribute more to GDP than manufacturing (12% vs. 10%). Oh joy!

  • Q

    Copying or stealing (?) in the world of automobile industry.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    Wow… Samsung Everland acts as the linchpin…

    http://blogs.r.ftdata.co.uk/beyond-brics/files/2012/08/Samsung_Shareholders_CitiAug12.png

    Sometimes the most innocent looking part contains the most sinister intentions. Like stuffing toys to smuggle drugs.

  • DLBarch

    Holy crap! Step away from one’s desk for a few days of court appearances and one misses all kinds of ethno-commentary.

    My, my, the fifth-column types on MH certainly wasted no time moving from a dubious and ethno-centered defense of Samsux on to a full-throated antipathy against, well, pretty much all good things American.

    Meanwhile, catching up with the propagandists at the Dong-A and Joong-ang Ilbo last night, I’m getting a sense that whatever the actual nuances of the law of patents may be, there’s a WHOLE LOT of pent up anti-American sentiment on the Korean Right that the recent Apple verdict has thoroughly unleashed.

    The silver lining is, I suppose, that we’re finally getting raw, undeniable footage of just how quickly and easily the Korean media and the apologists for Korea, Inc. can move from criticism of a technocratic lawsuit over patents to an unabashed bashing of the United States.

    Which doesn’t surprise me AT ALL.

    DLB

  • DLBarch

    CMcH @ 90,

    Lee Keun Hee may be a criminal…and in fact, he IS a twice-convicted felon…but he has excellent taste in cars!

    Excellent taste, indeed!

    DLB

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    DLB,

    Plenty of card carrying Americans agast at Apple. No need to bring in race (or “ethno-commentary”).

    http://tinyurl.com/clx3eof

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    Aghast, not agast.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    this aint about race; its about that jury’s bias. lots of anger out there at apple. like i said, they may rue the day they did this.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    “they may rue the day they did this.”

    Not so sure about that. This might be good for Samsung at the end of the day. The fast follower model is so late 90′s / early 2000′s.

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    well, that is why they may rue the day, wang. you know how koreans are. apple just lit a fire under korea’s ass. they may rue the day…

  • DLBarch

    One interesting fall-out of the announcement that Samsux was planning to expand its R&D (hehe) complex on North First Street in San Jose was the attention (inevitable in California, I’m afraid) the announcement had on the dodgy environmental record the company has, particularly with the health, safety, and well-being of its own employees.

    http://www.icrt.co/images/pdf_files/media%20materials%20for%20samsung%20press%20conference%208_16_12pdf.pdf

    Maybe Samsux has more in common with Apple than we thought!

    Anyway, there is a whole activist community in and outside Korea trying to bring attention to the company’s sketchy environmental and workplace safety record.

    See here:

    http://stopsamsung.wordpress.com/

    And here:

    http://www.causes.com/causes/546307-samsung-accountability-campaign

    In fairness to the activist left, these issues deserve just a much attention as does any talk of job creation.

    DLB

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    DLB,

    No worries. Samsung won’t actually make anything in CA. Who makes anything in CA anymore? You know, the Dems have chased away most manufacturing from CA. Actually, government spending makes a bigger part of the state’s economy than manufacturing (12% vs. 10%). If Samsung will make anything in the U.S., it will be in Austin, TX. A proper state that know how to properly incentivize businesses.

  • YangachiBastardo
  • jk6411

    um.. thanks, Japan!

  • enomoseki

    Looks like crApple can’t win a single case outside of their own backyard.

  • Funny

    Where are actual numbers of American workers, their wages, etc? Bunk ass article…

  • daniel fairclough