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More Olympic-sized BS

The Korea Times reports that a “series of blunders compromise Olympic credibility.”

Honestly, I was unaware that the Olympics actually had any credibility.

In fact, I’d been operating under the impression that as an organization, the Olympics were only slightly more corrupt than Mobutu’s Zaire.

Anyway, KoreaBANG has much more on Korean reactions to the Olympic officiating. Needless to say, some quarters of Korean cyberspace feel very, very aggrieved.

UPDATE: How aggrieved do they feel? Well, according to the Seoul Sinmun (quoting the German press), the Austrian judge’s email and phone number have been leaked online, and she’s getting threats via Twitter. And her Facebook page is under siege.

For her part, Shin isn’t taking the judgement sitting down (rim shot). She’s apparently refusing a special award from fencing’s governing body:

Fencing’s governing body announced that heartbroken South Korean Shin A Lam will receive ‘a special medal’ after she felt she was robbed of a proper one in the women’s epee on Monday night.

The medal will be for ‘aspiration to win and respect for the rules,’ said the International Fencing Federation in a statement.

But Shin said: ‘It does not make me feel better because it’s not an Olympic medal.

‘I don’t accept the result because I believe it was a mistake.’

Yeah, tell it to Roy Jones, Jr..

And yes, the brick-by-brick account at The Guardian was quite cute (HT to Q):




UPDATE 2: German fencer Britta Heidemann’s Facebook page is apparently under assault, too. Judging from the title of the article, there may be nude photos of Ms. Heidemann floating around somewhere, too.

About the author: Just the administrator of this humble blog.

  • cm

    Talking about Roy Jones JR which happened in 1988 Seoul Olympics, after the Korean officials bribed the refs to give the judgement to Park Si Han of South Korea. It was prior in 1984 when South Koreans felt that they were ripped off for the boxing gold medal by the US. Some unnamed Korean officials vowed to take revenge in the next Olympics, and that happened to be held in Seoul 1988. Now that Pyongchang 2018 is around the corner…. could it be…. again something will be planned…?

    But seriously, this Olympics is causing more harm to bring bad feelings and ill will amongst the nations. It either seriously needs some kind of major reform, or reformat the game, or something.. cause it’s horrible.

  • kaizenmx

    No, you are just paranoid.

    I thought you didn’t care about the olympics?

  • cm

    I don’t, but I do care when it starts effecting international relations and extreme forms of nationalism, all because gold medals. It’s ugly.

  • hardyandtiny

    “Shin, who said through an interpreter that she had slept for only about two hours last night, could still win a ‘real’ medal in the team event on Saturday – and could face Heidemann once more in the final.”

    Is sleeping only two hours in a night a big deal?

  • SomeguyinKorea

    “Yeah, tell it to Roy Jones, Jr..”

    You can’t be sure he would have won if it wasn’t rigged, though. If the judges hadn’t been bought, he would have faced Ray Downey in the final. That would be obvious to you if you had watched the semi-final between Downey and Park.

    And while we’re at it… Should Carl Lewis had been at the games?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2003/apr/24/athletics.duncanmackay

  • SomeguyinKorea

    …have been , that is.

  • etm

    I can understand the sentiment, but if you’re going to be so aggrieved with bad calls then you should really feel the same way when the bad calls work in your favor too. Somehow I can’t see outrage coming from Koreans if they were to benefit from poor officiating.

    I’m pretty sure Korean athletes have benefited in the past (2002 world cup for example) and will in the future. It will be interesting to see the response when that happens.

    In terms of the country bashing that is beginning to appear from the “netizens”, they should take heed of a Korea Times editorial. As the Korea Times editorial staff pointed out in 2010:

    ” To the eyes of people with reason and common sense, the flare-up of the anti-(INSERT COUNTRY NAME) sentiment could only be seen as irrational and bizarre behavior based on nationalistic fervor.”

  • EnricoPallazo

    You can’t be sure he would have won if it wasn’t rigged, though. If the judges hadn’t been bought, he would have faced Ray Downey in the final.

    Their respective performances in Seoul plus the post-Olympics career arcs of Jones and Downey provide a pretty good indicator of how that bout would have ended up. You’re technically correct though that we “can’t be sure.”

    We can be about 98% sure though.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #1,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8tlC289oSo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtZ40ictWYc

    And there’s the matter of how quickly they were to sweep under the rug the evidence proving that some members of the 2008 Chinese women’s gymnastics team were too young to participate.

    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/sports/the-he-kexin-file-evidence-shes-underage-3212.html

    So, this is the compromise that was made: China gives up a bronze in Sidney and it keeps its gold from Beijing.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/apr/29/china-gymastics-sydney-olympic-bronze

    Just look at recent pictures of He Kexin, who’s now competing in London. Does she look 20?

  • jkitchstk

    #3,
    “I don’t, but I do care when it starts effecting international relations and extreme forms of nationalism, all because gold medals. It’s ugly.”

    NBC coverage in the U.S. is at very high or record numbers, the audience must like watching such foolish behavior.

    S. Koreans are saying these are the worst games but I don’t see the Brits acting as a host nation anything near as bad as S. Korea did in 1988. How quickly they forget. The younger crowd in S. Korea knows nothing of 1988.

    ‘Badminton doubles pairs face match-throwing probe’
    http://www.chron.com/sports/article/Badminton-doubles-pairs-face-match-throwing-probe-3751634.php
    “S. Korea pair to be probed for ‘not using one’s best efforts to win a match’ and ‘conducting oneself in a manner that is clearly abusive or detrimental to the sport’,” the federation said in a statement.”

  • SomeguyinKorea

    “Their respective performances in Seoul plus the post-Olympics career arcs of Jones and Downey provide a pretty good indicator of how that bout would have ended up.”

    Their respective performances in Seoul? Did you even watch the Downey-Park semi-final? Downey outboxed Park, but still lost despite the fact that his opponent was grabbing and throwing low-blows. As for their post-Olympics careers, Downey won a silver at the Commonwealth Games. Not too shabby at all.

    Professional career is a whole different animal. Case in point: Mike Tyson never went to the Olympics.

  • yuna

    In that clip in the introduction of the players:
    WTF? Lam Shin?? What an ugly butchering of a pretty name!!! That’s what you get for putting 신아람 as Shin A Lam!!!!!!!!!!!!
    It’s Aram Shin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Her first name is Aram, family name Shin
    Please Korean people, can you not romanize your name properly and never mind with the confusing putting a space between syllabes?
    Ro ba tu Co la.
    Mr. Ro La.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #10,

    “S. Koreans are saying these are the worst games but I don’t see the Brits acting as a host nation anything near as bad as S. Korea did in 1988. ”

    South Korea hosted the games just fine. But, yes, this was not one of the highest points in Olympic history:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO_Aspbv0fw

  • EnricoPallazo

    Jones didn’t lose a single round in all of his fights up until the final. He dominated every round of every fight. Yes, Downey was a solid fighter but come on, Jones was on a different level.

    “As for their post-Olympics careers, Downey won a silver at the Commonwealth Games. Not too shabby at all.”

    Yes, and there’s a difference between not too shabby and spectacular phenom. Jones turned pro almost immediately after the Olympics, so his pro career is his post-Olympic career for all intents. He then proceeded to go almost a decade without losing a fight, was considered the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world for a good chunk of that decade, and won multiple world titles at different weight classes.

    You’re not really going to compare that with a silver at the Commonwealth Games and a complete failure as a professional, are you? Do you think that when Jones was awarded the Val Barker Cup by the International Amateur Boxing Association as the outstanding boxer of the 88 Olympics, that there was a big argument about whether it should have gone to Downey?

    Jones was an unstoppable machine who tore through everything in Seoul and for a decade after. Downey would have been a massive underdog had they met. I appreciate the fact that you want to recognize Downey’s talent in the entire scenario, but you’re indulging in a lot of fantasy to do so.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #14,

    In other words, you just don’t know. You’re assuming Roy Jones Jr. would have won.

    ” Jones turned pro almost immediately after the Olympics, so his pro career is his post-Olympic career for all intents. ”

    To capitalize on the fact that people were ready to throw money at him since many Americans are suckers for nationalism.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    “Do you think that when Jones was awarded the Val Barker Cup by the International Amateur Boxing Association as the outstanding boxer of the 88 Olympics, that there was a big argument about whether it should have gone to Downey?”

    No, I’d argue it should have gone to Lennox Lewis.

  • EnricoPallazo

    “In other words, you just don’t know. You’re assuming Roy Jones Jr. would have won.”

    Your ability to deduce that I have no definite knowledge of the results of a hypothetical boxing match of 20+ years ago is astounding.

    Take 100 boxing experts, send them back to 1988 and tell them that they have to bet their life on choosing the winner of a Jones/Downey match. Not a single one would pick Downey. This is not even arguable.

    “To capitalize on the fact that people were ready to throw money at him since many Americans are suckers for nationalism.”

    Boxing promoters were ready to throw money at him solely because those stupid Yanks are suckers for “nationalism,” and not because he was an amazing boxing talent that could win world titles, boost their promoting or management business, and line their pockets simultaneously. You’ve really got it all figured it out. Whatever the question, the answer is always stupid Americans. Like a caraciture straight out of Idiotville.

    Have to be Canadian. And a Canadian sucker for nationalism at that, trying to prop up a fellow Canadian based on nationality alone when nothing else provides a leg to stand on.

    PotKettleBlack

  • jkitchstk

    #13,
    “South Korea hosted the games just fine.”

    Huh? As a host city you should let others participate instead of acting like they did in that video(shining the light on children in the corner) you linked and causing the games of others to be postponed. Are you joking?

  • SomeguyinKorea

    There you go making assumptions again. No, if feel I was robbed as a boxing fan of knowing what would have happened if the two rightful finalists had been allowed to face one another. By your own admission, we don’t know who would have won. Yes, the odds probably would have been in Roy Jones Jr’s favour, but it remains that we’ll never know how it would have ended. Case in point, I give you one of the greatest boxing matches ever. Moore should have easily beaten Durelle, but that’s not how things turned out:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTtzltIK2ng&feature=related

    You see, the point I was making is that it is self-serving and shortsighted to claim that Roy Jones’ was robbed without bringing into question the other decisions in favour of Park.

    PS. So, not disputing my opinion that Lennox Lewis was the most outstanding boxer at the 1988 games, eh? I thought so. After all, the guy only went on to be the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world and beat some of the biggest names in recent boxing history.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #18,

    They represent all Koreans?

    So, tell me what’s your nationality so I can find something embarrassing and make blanket statements about your country.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    “Boxing promoters were ready to throw money at him solely because those stupid Yanks are suckers for “nationalism,””

    I didn’t say that, did I? Of course it’s about money. Of course he was a great boxer…But, also…Of course he capitalized on the outpouring of good press he received from the American media.

  • pawikirogii

    It seems – that one country is a sore loser.

    But then they have always been sore losers.

  • slim

    “since many Americans are suckers for nationalism”

    This is very rich coming from an alternatively smug and prickly nationalist.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #23,

    Being critical of American jingoism makes me a nationalist?

    Right, if you say so.

    No, nationalism is the illogical conviction that a country is superior to others because of the accidental circumstances of one’s birth.

  • jkitchstk

    #19,
    “You see, the point I was making is that it is self-serving and shortsighted to claim that Roy Jones’ was robbed without bringing into question the other decisions in favour of Park.”

    What boxing match did you watch? And I have no idea why you would mention Parks other decisions? Unless you wanted us all to know that Park, Si-hun reached the finals against Roy Jones Jr. by winning 4 phantom victories one in which included a blow way below the belt.

    The 1988 Roy Jones Jr. boxing match – Shame on Korea as told by the History Channel…
    ‘Roy Jones Jr vs. Park Si-Hun Olympic Scandal-Shame on Korea’
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJYBV9BXQNY

  • adeptitus

    In 2010 Asia Games, Yang Shu-chun was disqualified over her sock sensor gear and she decided to have a tearful breakdown and caused a scene. Yesterday Shin A-lam lost her competition in 2012 Olympics and she decides to have a tearful breakdown and cause a scene.

    Sport games originated in human history as sacred religious rituals, where only men could paticipate and women with few exceptions (Heraean Games). If women wants equal rights and compete in these events, then they should learn to behave professionally.

    It’s said that a man’s true character is shown not when he wins, but when he loses. The same should apply to women in this case as they should behave professionally and not have a “breakdown” on the mat, sleep with their coach, or expect a “special medal” when they lose.

    Consider how the audience would react if a male fencer were to lose and decide to have a tearful breakdown on the mat, and the world fencing federation offers him a “special prize” just to make him feel better. Duh!

  • EnricoPallazo

    Of course he capitalized on the outpouring of good press he received from the American media.

    It wasn’t just the American media, it was ALL media, and everyone else on the planet for that matter. Not only that, Park himself admitted after the fight that he had lost. Everyone except the 3 corrupt judges and the Korean coaches recognized what happened and gave an outpouring of support and good press to Jones. Regardless of that, he was going to turn pro anyway, so he wasn’t “capitalizing” on anything. Even if he had won the gold instead of being robbed, the big money still would have been there.

    Face it, you tried to make the situation look like a manipulation of “American suckers” when it was nothing of the sort and the situation would have played out very similarly regardless of outcome and media coverage. And the biggest reason for no variance in how it played out was because Jones was a world class talent and they get big money no matter what the Olympic result or coverage was like. Of course the way he got robbed made him more sympathetic, but that wouldn’t mean anything to promoters if he wasn’t a slam dunk world champion to boot.

  • EnricoPallazo

    You see, the point I was making is that it is self-serving and shortsighted to claim that Roy Jones’ was robbed without bringing into question the other decisions in favour of Park.

    Park was gifted all the way through by all accounts. With the dominance of Jones in the weight class (confirmed by his pro career), it’s pretty clear he was the biggest loser in the fiasco. The fact that he’s the focus of look-back stories rather than earlier opponents of Park’s is not surprising.

    PS. So, not disputing my opinion that Lennox Lewis was the most outstanding boxer at the 1988 games, eh? I thought so.

    Not mentioning it does not equal concession. Lewis was also great in Seoul. My personal opinion (and that of the IABA voters) is that he was not as dominant as Jones. I’m sure if Lewis were American, your assessment of his performance would plummet.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #25,

    The History channel? The AMERICAN station that attempts to convince its viewers that dowsing rods and UFOs are based on fact when it isn’t showing another documentary about the Nazis?

  • SomeguyinKorea

    “It wasn’t just the American media, it was ALL media, and everyone else on the planet for that matter.”

    For about a second, maybe…but who’s been bringing it up for the last quarter of a century?

  • SomeguyinKorea

    I’m done. There’s no point arguing with nationalists since they aren’t functioning with logic.

  • jkitchstk

    # 30,
    “ALL Media”
    What was so bad that “ALL Media” said anyway, Koreans eat dog meat? OMG, better have a fit about the world knowing what Koreans eat aye!

  • jkitchstk

    NBC is losing millions covering the Olympics, in 1988 S. Koreans watched AFN for free. In fact they profited from it and bitched about what they saw(Koreans eating dog meat) on it, how funny.

  • kaizenmx

    Please ban this troll or block his messages.

    His intentions are pretty much obvious.

  • EnricoPallazo

    For about a second, maybe…but who’s been bringing it up for the last quarter of a century?

    CBC, Aug 1: some it calling it the most outrageous moment in the Olympic sport since Roy Jones Jr. infamously lost a decision to a fighter from the host country at the 1988 Seoul Games despite dominating the action.

    Montreal Gazette, July 25: In 1988, a dominant Roy Jones Jr. somehow lost the decision in his gold-medal fight against his South Korean opponent at the Seoul Games in a hometown decision so ludicrous the victor actually apologized to Jones afterword.

    Toronto Globe and Mail, July 30: The protest recalls that of Korean boxer Byun Jung Il, who staged a 67-minute sit-in at the 1988 Seoul Olympics after a referee docked him a point in a match-up with U.S fighter Roy Jones, Jr.

    Why are Canadian media so insistent on “bringing up” a 25-year old event? For the same reason everyone does. It’s one of the bigger examples of corruption and injustice in Olympic history. Those without a chip on their shoulder about Roy Jones Jr. can see that pretty clearly.

  • EnricoPallazo

    I’m done. There’s no point arguing with nationalists since they aren’t functioning with logic.

    Says the Canadian obsessessed with demanding recognition for an obscure Canadian boxer, and who pimps another Canadian boxer as more deserving of an award 25 years ago over an American, who he claims is the beneficiary of nationalistic American suckers. Nationality of all the actors in that sequence in relation to you are all purely a coincidence though.

    Tell me again about nationalism and logic when you take a break from being bombarded by Canadian media references to Roy Jones Jr., because we all know only nationalistic American media ever mentioned it over the last 25 years.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #35,

    Nice try. Those stories are not about Roy Jones Jr. He’s mentioned to provide context to the stories. Nothing more, nothing less.

    #36,

    Right, because winning a bronze at the Olympics and a silver at the Commonwealth Games makes him an obscure boxer because an American says so. Nice try again.

    Lennox Lewis is great because he is an Olympic gold medal winner and the last undisputed world heavyweight champion. The fact you discredit his achievements simply because he’s Canadian (which is in itself laughable since he identifies himself as British first) only serves as further proof that you’re being disingenuous.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBXssCEEbyY

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    Let’s be honest about Jones Jr. and mention the fact that the guy totally ducked Dariusz Michalczewski for years even though Michalczeski was the lineal champion at LHW.

  • EnricoPallazo

    Nice try. Those stories are not about Roy Jones Jr. He’s mentioned to provide

    Well then you should be able to provide plenty of links of current America media writing stories that completely focus on 88 and do not just mention him in context like those examples. They’ve apparently done nothing but that for the last 25 years so it should take you no time. Let’s see it.

    Right, because winning a bronze at the Olympics and a silver at the Commonwealth Games makes him an obscure boxer because an American says so. Nice try again.

    He had brief popularity in Canada 25 years ago. Jones has had worldwide name recognition for the last 25 years. In comparison and relative to other Olympians, Downey is absolutely obscure. He’s not a household name because a nationalistic Canadian says so.

    The fact you discredit his achievements simply because he’s Canadian (which is in itself laughable since he identifies himself as British first) only serves as further proof that you’re being disingenuous.

    I “discredited” his achievements by saying he was great in Seoul at #28. Talk about disingenuous.

    The only reason I mentioned he was Canadian was in reference to your naked hypocrisy in throwing around charges of “sucker nationalism” while engaging in your own fit of flag-waving.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    And again, being critical of American jingoism and penchant for mythologising does not make one a nationalist.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    “Roy Jones Jr. was promoted as the undisputed light heavyweight champion by HBO after unifying the WBA, WBC and IBF titles in June 1999, for which he was also awarded The Ring championship title in 2002. However, two of those belts (WBA and IBF) had been stripped from Dariusz Michalczewski, who had unified them with his WBO title by beating the Lineal champion Virgil Hill in June 1997, and subsequently remained unbeaten, defending his remaining belt until 2004. Speaking of Jones’ claim to being undisputed champion, one writer opined that the distinction “could just as easily belong to current WBO titlist Dariusz Michalczewski.””

    When Michalczewski beat Hill he held the WBA, IBF and WBO but was stripped of the IBF and WBA belts. After Michalczewski was stripped of the bels they ended up being held by Jones, and despite constant challenges from Michalczewski, he refused to fight the guy who a)beat the guy who had the claim to the lineal championship going back all the way to Spinks, and b) the guy who was the rightful champion of 2/3 of the belts he held. Jones was gifted 2 belts.

  • SalarymaninSeoul

    In addition when he was below LHW he ducked some excellent fighters. In addition to Michalczewski Jones never fought Michael Nunn, Gerald McClellan, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank or Steve Collins. In fact many people have described Jones’ career as one characterized by ducking the major competition at every weight class he fought at. The point of this is to put a little reality check on all this Roy Jones idolizing going on here. He was good, he just was not as good as many of you are saying.

  • shinalamadingdong

    The perfect picture of Korea on the world stage:

    “Waaaaaa!!! I wanna be number 1! I want the gold!”

    http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/001/815/871/hi-res-149542705_crop_exact.jpg?w=650&h=440&q=75

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #39,

    Pointing out that some Americans have the tendency to mythologize is tantamount to flag waving? That’s rich.

    “I “discredited” his achievements by saying he was great in Seoul at #28. Talk about disingenuous.”

    Right, so saying I was “pimping another Canadian”–who’s actually British–was meant as a compliment to Lennox Lewis and most certainly not a knee-jerk nationalistic reaction.

    You’re blinded by nationalism.

    Like SalarymaninSeoul pointed out, you need to get honest.

    What’s next, going to claim Mike Tyson didn’t fight a long string of nobodies while he was champ?

  • slim

    Somebody ring a bell on this tedious bout. The Canadian bantamweight has been on the canvas looking up for at least 24 hours, flailing away with cheap scrotum shots. Step away and let him bleed out.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #45,

    Right, because nationality trumps common sense, and we all know certain Americans look at nationality first.

  • Mryouknowwho

    So do you think the netizens who have berated the judge and the other competitor are now doing the same to the Korean badminton team? I mean, if a bad decision gets this much attention, I image cheating would get much more.

  • DLBarch

    I don’t know where to post this, or whether someone else has already noticed, but it just occurs to me that not only might Korea be competing against Germany in this Saturday’s epee women’s team competition, but also that there is a good chance that Shin may be paired off against Heidemann…again.

    Now, c’mon, be honest, are there any MHers out there who won’t admit that suddenly fencing has become the hottest topic around?

    And let’s check back in a few months to see how many parents have suddenly enrolled their kids in fencing classes in Korea.

    Exciting times for a heretofore largely unheralded sport.

    (“Unheralded.” Get it? Medieval Europe? Never mind.)

    DLB

    P.S. For those who care about such things, there is a prevailing view in at least some sectors in Germany that an executive’s rise to the top of the country’s leading companies almost requires a background in fencing. Think what golf is to Korea, fencing is to the leaders of Germany, Inc.

  • EnricoPallazo

    What an uncanny coincidence that your “common sense” discounts anythying accomplished by an American and simultaneously boosts Canadians. Pity for you that you already tipped your hand with your sloppy, nonsensical rant early on about nationalistic suckers and made it clear where your motivations lie. Nice follow up demanding “honesty” after that performance too.

    Let me know when you plan on serving up more of that “common sense,” otherwise known as insecure Canadian nationalism dosed with petty jealousy regarding the accomplishment of anything American. Certainly good for a laugh.

    The combined projection and utter lack of self-awareness is impressive. Are there more like you on this website? I’m looking for someone to cry about how Bill Wennington and Todd MacCulloch don’t get the recognition they deserve as Canadian basketball legends on account of all the media coverage being hogged by that overrated, mythologized Dream Team. Or maybe some first-class whining about what a fraud Michael Phelps is in comparison to (insert unknown, victimized Canadian swimmer here). You’re certainly qualified, but need some work on the follow-through.

  • slim

    I’m more or less a Canadophile and boxing could disappear from the planet tomorrow and I wouldn’t care, but I like the cut of this EP’s jib. Reminds me of the long-absent Iheartblueballs in precision, sports knowledge and the all-important “ouch” factor.

  • CactusMcHarris

    OK, OK, it’s obvious we need some cheering up, so

    USA, USA, USA!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/03/sports/olympics/lochte-upset-by-clary-phelps-mens-swimming.html?_r=1&nl=afternoonupdate&emc=edit_au_20120802

    #50,

    I second your comments about Sr. Pallazzo’s jib.

  • slim

    I’m thinking a certain some Canadian guy in Korea needs the cheering up. Get him a cold Labatt’s Blue and maybe some …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_RPp4dbam8

  • SomeguyinKorea

    “Let me know when you plan on serving up more of that “common sense,” otherwise known as insecure Canadian nationalism dosed with petty jealousy regarding the accomplishment of anything American. Certainly good for a laugh.”

    Right, because Canadians want to be Americans. We secretly wish we had more rednecks and less health care. And pointing out that someone other than an American is great is simply ridiculous because it just couldn’t be.

    The Dream Team? You mean Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, Magic Johnson, et al or the current crop of American players who don’t deserve the name?

    #52,

    Labatt’s Blue is horse piss, but I appreciate the gesture.

  • pj

    yawn, get a job.
    everyone knows every country is a bit nationalistic.
    who cares.

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