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Seoul is considering plans to ban drinking in public parks from next year.

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  • dinkus maximus

    I’m sorry, but I can’t resist. And this is somewhat related:

    http://english.chosun.com/svc/view.html?contid=2012061900447&catid=C

    Caption contest. Anyone?

  • SomeguyinKorea

    Wouldn’t it be cool if for once the government used other countries as an example to grant us more freedom?

  • hamel

    What’d be cool about that?

  • http://dok.do/4aVK41 Year of the Dragon

    I doubt it will work – just like the “children should sit in children car seats and wear seatbelts” and “motorcyclists should stay off footpaths and should wear a helmet” – and “I shouldn’t smoke at bus stops” –

    the laws here just aren’t enforced.

  • iMe

    Stupid Korean politicians. This is what happens when a small group of uptight assholes get together and decide to “rule” instead of govern. Is this asshole still taking the subway? Someone should go 지하철녀 on his sorry ass and pour beer on his ugly face.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #3,

    Didn’t bother to follow the ling and read?

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #3,

    Didn’t bother to follow the link and read?

  • StevieBee

    Great – let’s waste time and money solving a problem that doesn’t even exist.

  • iMe

    @8
    that’s what liberals do.

  • inkevitch

    Not a problem? So having groups (or individuals) of homeless men getting smashed on cheap soju in parks isn’t happening?

    It sounds like a way to move on the homeless. Personally I don’t feel it is either possible or necessary, but to think that there isn’t an issue with public intoxication in parks shows you haven’t been to a park in Korea

  • iMe

    @11,
    riiiiiiiight. so in order to keep some poor homeless saps from getting wasted in public, let’s make a law and enforce it on the entire population so that nobody ever drinks out in public! YEAH! LIBERALS RULE!

  • Yu Bum Suk

    “It sounds like a way to move on the homeless.”

    It could be that, but I wonder if it might be a case of trying to politically correct the middle and working classes, who would be the only ones paying fines. “[I]n the United States and other advanced nations” the homeless and mentally ill don’t generally have to play by the same rules as normal people who just want to have a bit of fun.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    I don’t think they should pass a law banning alcohol in parks, but they should pass one banning alcohol in the streets. It would take care of the couple of bums of the non-Korean kind that you see walking around with a bottle of beer in hand in Ittaewon (no, you fat morons, normal Korean men don’t walk around with a bottle of beer in their hands).

  • http://geoju.kr fanwarrior

    I can’t really imagine the people putting up with it.. getting some alcohol and going to the river is way too popular an activity, in any given riverside park you can see dozens to hundreds of people doing this on a daily basis as soon as the weather is warm enough. Doesn’t make sense.

  • RolyPoly

    SomeguyinKorea,
    I agree with 100%. They should make “alkiparachi”. If anyone of these drunks either throw up in the street or get in fight with a passer-by, he should be charged $100(100,000 won) per incidence.

    And, the guy who takes the picture and asks for id, get 50%. This can get somebody though a college. If the guy runs, call police and treat him like a runaway driver.

    Public urination while intoxicated, $500, and sleeping in the street, $200.
    Public shouting, $300.

    Seoul will be much more civilized place.

  • http://www.chiamattt.com chiamattt

    #14, I really don’t see what’s wrong with walking around with a bottle of beer. How is that any different than walking around with a bottle of anything else? A beverage is a beverage. You get rowdy drunk after a can/bottle of beer? If so, perhaps YOU should not walk around with a bottle of beer in your hand.

    So many of you focus on the very small number of “incidents” or “problems” and forget that the vast majority of people drinking in public are socializing, having a good time, relaxing, catching up with friends, enjoying the weather, and doing absolutely nothing wrong.

    This isn’t a Right/Left issue, either, so stop saying it is.

  • http://www.chiamattt.com chiamattt

    RolyPoly,

    I’m sorry you hate freedom and liberty. You should stop using the word civilized and just go with fascist.

  • RolyPoly

    chiamattt,
    There is a chance that in near future Korean Christians will get together and pass prohibition law. Up to now, Koreans were drunkards. Just so uncivilized and dirty. You know that 50% of crimes are committed while the perpetrator is drunk.

    Or, we need a alcohol-vigilante. Just like abortion clinic bombers. Just put some fire into these drinking places. Just one or two. All these Alkies will hide out.

    Korea will be truly a beautiful place when these drunk Adjussis were sent to 삼청 교육대.

  • http://www.chiamattt.com chiamattt

    Sure, someone who commits a crime should be convicted regardless of whether or not they were drunk. Being drunk, in my opinion, is no excuse.

    What I am saying is that to ban something that so many enjoy only because a few can’t handle it is absurd.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #17,

    Last Sunday, 10 am. Ittaewon. Standing at the crosswalk in front of the Hamilton. Drunk, unshaven, fat guy all by himself with a bottle of Cass. Socializing?

    Besides, notice I say that drinking in parks shouldn’t be banned? That’s because that where old men go to socialize, play cards, BBQ, and share a bottle of soju….Socializing.

  • Creo69

    Even Koreans are admitting that the drinking culture in Korea is not a positive thing and it is having a negative effect on society….forced drinking events at work…really, the majority of Koreans would have nothing to do with it if they had a CHOICE.

    What is one of the best ways to change the behavior of future generations? Make it less acceptable. One way to do this is to get it out of the parks where kids play. Socializing is great, but the toll of drinking on Korea is too much and it is past time to bring it in a bit (a lot). Nobody is taking away anyone’s right to drink or socialize. There will always be bars and restaurants. People just need to adjust their behavior a bit to make positive changes for future generations.

  • RolyPoly

    This comes at good time. Korean media has been selling alcohol to women. Every drama has at least one scene where the main character drinks to the point of no return (urination level) and a man has to carry her on his back.

    Romantic? That man will never marry a drunkard.

    However, the writers are drunkard (Godless whores) and they write this nonsense coming out of their immoral lifestyle.

    The liquor makers want to expand their market to women. Because their customers are broke, dead or in prison. So, they have to find new victims.

  • Creo69

    “The liquor makers want to expand their market to women. Because their customers are broke, dead or in prison. So, they have to find new victims.

    True in just about every country in the world…when the men are all drinkers or smokers they go after the women…then the kids.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #24,

    That’s supposedly why they got rid of the stubbies. According to the market research, the longer necked bottles appealed more to women….and men would drink beer out of anything.

  • inkevitch

    Nice knee jerk reading comprehension there iMe, notice where I said it is neither necessary or possible. I for one don’t mind the public drinking, if only the police actually enforced public nuisance laws when drunks get abusive and violent.

  • hardyandtiny

    Why is it wrong to walk around with an open bottle of beer?

  • hamel

    Ask anyone who lives next to a park.

  • jonomo

    What’s the point of making all these laws that nobody is gonna enforce? I live next to a park where the childrens playground is over run by drunks who use it as their bar and toilet. It’s disgusting. It’s also located straight across from a police station. I’ve made several complaints and nothing has been done. I’m just worried that if enough people make a ruckus about it, they’ll just ban parks, which is typically how Koreans solve problems.

  • Creo69

    ” What’s the point of making all these laws that nobody is gonna enforce?”

    Smoking on school grounds is supposed to be illegal now (there are signs posted everywhere at my high school). The teachers at my high school however just stand around outside with a cig in their mouth talking to the students. I guess I should just be greatful they are not smoking in the office. Laws really do mean nothing here.

  • keith

    There is nothing wrong with drinking in public, there is a huge problem with some people who don’t know how to behave themselves when they’ve had a few or even when they haven’t.

    Outlawing drinking in parks is stupid, outlaw the crass and obnoxious behaviour that some people get up to. Some people are even more unpleasant to be around if they’re sober. I’d rather see a happy friendly drunk person than a violent mean sober person. Alcohol should not be an excuse to act like an arse. As long as you behave yourself when drinking in public there shouldn’t be a problem with it.

    Banning booze in the parks is even worse than banning people smoking in the parks. Fining people who litter and behave in a boorish and obnoxious manner is great, fining people for smoking or drinking is stupid. If you drink responsibly and get rid of your cigarette butts in a suitable place, what’s the harm? If I want to have a picnic with friends down the Han River Park and can’t bring a bottle of wine because it is ‘illegal’ that’s just stupid. The wine they sell in the convenience stores is expensive and crap. If they’re going to charge that much for wine at least get some half decent stuff in, I bought a very nice St. Emilion in Homeplus a few weeks ago for only $30!

    I did notice that the exception would be at the convenience stores. Maybe they’re behind this, they want a monopoly on areas of booze consumption. Do the lawmakers who want this done own many shares in Family Mart, GS25 or 7-11?

    I’d rather they fine people who go out riding their bikes in the park at night without any lights, or fine people who ride their scooters on the sidewalk, or fine people who run red lights, or people who make way too much noise, or people who litter, or people who don’t indicate, or people who watch TV whilst driving. A few old Korean blokes sharing some Magkeolli in the park is far less dangerous or obnoxious
    behaviour.

    I think there are way too many extremist christian types in government if they’re suggesting ridiculous legislation like this. There is no point in getting upset about the stupidity of the idea though, as laws aren’t really enforced too much in Korea anyway as the police are too lazy.

  • Creo69

    “If you drink responsibly and get rid of your cigarette butts in a suitable place, what’s the harm?”

    Parks are created for recreation areas for famalies (this means kids) … should they really be learning about how to drink and smoke as they learn how to ride a bike? Just seems like there are better place for adults to exercice their vices.

  • Creo69

    opps…families

  • hardyandtiny

    Ridiculous! Where do you people come from? Parks are for everyone, not just families and kids. There’s nothing wrong with children learning to ride a bike while adults are drinking and smoking in the park.

  • Arghaeri

    Seoul will be much more civilized place.

    You’re a fruitcake, Seoul is way more civilzed than anywhere I’ve lived before.

  • Arghaeri

    H&T, I certainly don’t recall seeing the signs saying adults allowed only if accompnied by a child. Creo’s just making shit up as he goes along.

  • RolyPoly

    Arghaeri,
    Are you from Africa or from Middle East? Brazil?

    Every night, after 10 PM, streets are filled with drunks. They sleep on the street drunk (they are not homeless people, just drunk to oblivion). Puke, urinate, shout and pick fights. Grown-up, not teenagers.

    Alcohol is a drug. And, now women are getting into it in big numbers. Increase in mentally-deficient kids. Future drunks.

  • Arghaeri

    Baduk,

    I am from Seoul, and I am regularly out at night after 10 pm, yet somehow you in the USA know better, congratulations! :-)

  • Arghaeri

    Damn, I can’t get out of my apartment for all those drunks blocking the street. What a terrible place this is :-)

  • Arghaeri

    Pray tell, Baduk, exactly how much time have you spent in Korea to cone up with these fascinating images of Korea the land paved wirh drunks and road pizza.

  • Creo69

    ” Ridiculous! Where do you people come from? Parks are for everyone, not just families and kids. There’s nothing wrong with children learning to ride a bike while adults are drinking and smoking in the park.”

    Actually, there is. Adults should be setting a positive role model for children. There are absolutely no positive benefits to smoking and many negative benefits. We know this for a fact. Why do you want to help children get hooked on a highly addictive drug that will decrease their quality of life significantly.

  • Arghaeri

    There are absolutely no positive benefits to smoking and many negative benefits. We know this for a fact.

    We do?

    So its benefits as a an appetite supressant is imaginary?

    Other than your point being fallacious, I believe its already being banned in public parks due to the direct healt impact ftom secondary smoke.

    As for alcohol there is no ‘secondary smoke’, si drinking responsibly shhouldn’t be an issue.

    Irresponsible public drinking can be dealt with perfectly well with for exapmle laws on being drunk and disorderly in public places.

    There is no reason to punish responsible citizens for the behaviour of irresponsible citizens.

    Should we ban cars because some drive irresponsibly, chainsaws becayse some commit massacres, politics because politicians are morons….

  • Arghaeri

    positive role model includes teaching children to behave responsibly including to respect the freedom of others, it does not mean a totalitarian state where people must stay in their homes in case they hurt themselves going outside.

  • Creo69

    ” Irresponsible public drinking can be dealt with perfectly well with for exapmle laws on being drunk and disorderly in public places.”

    Much easier to prevent the problem by not allowing alcohol in the first place. By the time it reaches the point of disorderly conduct the lives of citizens and police are at risk. No one is preventing you from drinking. Just helping you find an appropriate place.

    Smoking as an appetite supressant? LOL… You know they have something you can buy which will do that…I think it is called an appetite supressant.

  • Arghaeri

    Smoking as an appetite supressant? LOL… You know they have something you can buy which will do that…I think it is called an appetite supressant.

    Your insincere acknowledgement that your statement “We know this for a fact” is complete fallacious bullshit is noted, the merits of those or otverwise of thise benefits not having been disputed.

  • Arghaeri

    Much easier to prevent the problem by not allowing alcohol in the first place. By the time it reaches the point of disorderly conduct the lives of citizens and police are at risk

    Bullshit , give me the statistics, exactly how many kids have have lost their lives due to drunk and disorderly conduct in a public park in Seoul this year.

    Tell you what lets ban cars, cos a hell of a lot more kids have been run over this year. maybe ban mountain himing abd swimming too, cos those risks of falling or drowning are just so high

  • Creo69

    ” Your insincere acknowledgement that your statement “We know this for a fact” is complete fallacious bullshit is noted, the merits of those or otverwise of thise benefits not having been disputed.”

    The benefit of smoking is it serves as an appetite supressant? Next your going to tell me the benefit of meth is that it helps you stay awake for days on end:-) Any “benefits” (imaginary or otherwise) are clearly canceled out by the harm caused by these drugs. ㅋㅋㅋ

  • Arghaeri

    Fuck lets ban parenthood, after all by the time it reaches the point that bad people vecome parents their kids will be at risk.

  • Creo69

    ” Bullshit , give me the statistics, exactly how many kids have have lost their lives due to drunk and disorderly conduct in a public park in Seoul this year.Tell you what lets ban cars, cos a hell of a lot more kids have been run over this year. maybe ban mountain himing abd swimming too, cos those risks of falling or drowning are just so high”

    Lets be honest, the reason they are doing this is because having a bunch of old guys hanging their schlongs out all over the park (because they are too lazy to walk the 20 feet to the bathroom) has become embarrassing. It’s the price you pay for progress.

  • Arghaeri

    Reading comprehension not your strong point either, I do mot nor have not defended smoking in any way or form.

    The only thing I have attacked is your fallacious denial.

    I absolutely hate smoking, and support the ban on it in public places due to its secondary health effects on others, I do not however make up imaginary facts to bolster my support nor deny the freedom of choice to those who wish ti smoke themselves to death in the privacy of their own home.

  • Arghaeri

    Lets be honest, the reason they are doing this is because having a bunch of old guys hanging their schlongs out all over the park (because they are too lazy to walk the 20 feet to the bathroom) has become embarrassing. It’s the price you pay for progress.

    Ah so its not about the risk to life iof citizens and police after all. Thank you for clearing that up.

  • Arghaeri

    Never having seen an old korean with his schlong out in a public park, drunk or otherwise, and never seen an old korean with his shlong out pissing anywhere within 20 feet of a convenience, I couldn’t possibly comment.

  • Creo69

    ” Ah so its not about the risk to life iof citizens and police after all. Thank you for clearing that up.”

    If you can think of a better way to clean up this rather sensitive public mess, I am sure the govt would love to hear from you.

  • Creo69

    ” Never having seen an old korean with his schlong out in a public park, drunk or otherwise, and never seen an old korean with his shlong out pissing anywhere within 20 feet of a convenience, I couldn’t possibly comment”

    Anyone, ANYONE, who lives in Korea has seen this. If you live in Korea and are trying to say otherwise you are simply making a fool of yourself. It would be like saying you’ve never seen a Korean eat Kimchi.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    I noticed in the Comment’s section of the article that Brokenwind wrote:

    The ban on spitting worked and this will too

    Brokenwind has a point. In the early ’80s, it was almost impossible to walk down the sidewalks in Seoul without stepping on a big loogie. In the Sinchon area, it was also hard to walk down the sidewalk without stepping in a big puddle of rice- or ramyeon-filled puke.

    When I was attending the Korean-language program at Yonsei Korean Language Institute in the early ’80s, a Korean reporter and cameraman came to the school and asked us to help them with their anti-spitting campaign by allowing them to interview us about our thoughts on spitting on the sidewalks. I was one of the students they interviewed.

    One thing I have not had to deal with since coming back to the US is breathing in other people’s cigarette smoke. Also, I have not run into any drunks. Koreans smoke and drink too much. I support bans on both smoking and drinking in Seoul’s parks.

  • inkevitch

    I have actually told off a pair of drunk business men for pissing on OUTSIDE of a public toilet in a park in Ilsan (Jeongbalsan) at about 8:30 at night.

  • Arghaeri

    If you can think of a better way to clean up this rather sensitive public mess, I am sure the govt would love to hear from you.

    What problem was this again, the one of safety to life which you’ve slready conceded, or the risk that someone might see someone taking a leak?

  • Arghaeri

    Peeing in an alley, peeing by a roadside, a dump in the street by a woman, seen all these but not a guy openly peeing in a park, and the only time I’ve seen peeing within 20 feet of a convenience it was I believe a young american. So how about we ban young americans from parks in korea.

    Since I’ve been in Korea way longer than you, and I haven’t seen these things in parks then I guess that makes you the fool.

    Perhaps if you stopped following men into the bushes you wouldn’t see so much of it.

  • Arghaeri

    The ban on spitting worked and this will too

    Didn’t know there was one, and I’ve seen a lot more spitting than public pissing.

    It is indeed though less prevalent than it used to be but was this because of a law or because of public opinion as to its undesirability, ref the media campaign to which you refer, and refer the big reduction in eating dogmeat which is not against the law but mych less precalent due to public opinion.

  • Arghaeri

    I might add that public drunkeness and peeing seem to me to be much less prevalent than in the 90′s, but then maybe I just got used to it.

  • Arghaeri

    and as for likening its occurence to the frequency and openness of eating kimchi, that got to be absolute proof you are a fool.

  • Creo69

    ” I might add that public drunkeness and peeing seem to me to be much less prevalent than in the 90′s, but then maybe I just got used to it.”

    I’d rather hear you babble on about the “benefit” of smoking. “Hunger supressant” … keep going, you almost had me convinced.

    There are several other good reasons for the ban on drinking in parks. Ajosshi also seem to have the attitude that everyone in the world was born to pick up after them. Thus they leave their bottles and food waste behind after their “socializing.” Cities, towns, and smaller entities do not have the budget to employ people to follow a bunch of drunks around cleaning up behind them as if their wife was present.

    By banning alcohol in parks you are also helping families. Alcohol frequently leads to domestic issues. A day spent at the park with the children is much less likely to end in domestic problems when you take alcoholmout of the equation. Let me guess..you have never seen a domestic argument in Korea where the man was drunk ㅋㅋㅋ

  • Arghaeri

    I’d rather hear you babble on about the “benefit” of smoking. “Hunger supressant” … keep going, you almost had me convinced.

    The only person who keeps babbling about it is you LOL

  • Arghaeri

    Adjosshi and ajumas will leave stuff lying around whether they are drunk or not. You really are stretching, first you were up for banning drinking in parks to save lives, once you dropped that, it was to rescue people from the terrible prospect of seeing someone pee, now for goodness sake its to prevent public littering and preventing spousal arguments as if non drunken people are never guilty of same.

  • Arghaeri

    Let me guess..you have never seen a domestic argument in Korea where the man was drunk

    not in a public park within 20 feet of a public convenience no. Though I have seen sober couples arguing in a public park within 20 feet of a public convenience.

    Ah I see the solution a day at thd park will be much less troublesome if we only allow one parent at a time.

  • Creo69

    ” Adjosshi and ajumas will leave stuff lying around whether they are drunk or not. You really are stretching, first you were up for banning drinking in parks to save lives, once you dropped that, it was to rescue people from the terrible prospect of seeing someone pee, now for goodness sake its to prevent public littering and preventing spousal arguments as if non drunken people are never guilty of same.”

    Thanks for the summary of my points:-) As anyone can clearly see now, there are many reasons for banning drinking in public parks. As with anything it is sad when people abuse a privledge to the point it must be restricted or taken away. In thiis case it isn’t all you make it out to be though. The problems will just be moved to a more appropriate place allowing the majority of people who use public parks responsibly to continue to enjoy them. A small minority of people will be affected and everyone else will be for the better. That is how life works.

  • Arghaeri

    But thats the whole point isn’t it, your not targeting those who abuse it, you’re targetting anyone who drinks. being drunk and disorderly can be dealt with by laws against same, littering with on the spot penalties and fines, spousal disputes with disorderly conduct laws, but no you don’t want to target these latter offences which by and large are by sober offenders, you just want to tarhet drinkers.

    You have yet to show that there is even an appreciable problem, you just don’t like drinking, if you were concerned about health and welfare you’d be banning cyclists from the parks since these do a tually cause harm and danger to children and pedestrians every day.

    Basically you want to crack a nut with a sledgehammer while ignoring real problems.

  • Arghaeri

    Come on back it up, all those terrible crimes are done by sober people too, wheres your stats that drinkers are the only perpetrators?

  • Creo69

    ” you just want to tarhet drinkers”

    Yes! Exactly! Korea is a wonderful country with a horrible drinking culture. Good people are forced to participate in this rubbish even when they don’t want to because a minority of a-holes keep it alive. Now days some companies and the government are working to change this culture. I support that. I have many co-workers that would much rather be home with their families instead of being forced to attend events where a bunch of old fools get off on forcing them to drink. I am hopeful these changes will provide a more positive lifestyle for future generations.

  • Arghaeri

    Ah another one of your arguments dropped!!

    Now we are getting at the truth, responsible drinking in public parks should be banned because your co-workers are forced to drink in bars and noraebang. Thats great logic for you.

  • Arghaeri

    I am hopeful these changes will provide a more positive lifestyle for future generations.

    Me too, but as an experienced hwaesik drinker, I would note that in my experience “seniors” often absent themselves before the serious drinking so as not to inhibit the fun of the juniors.

    Also these days more staff are making their excuses to escape when it suits them, albeit it still a problem.

    These are societal changes to social norms which should be actively encouraged further, but this does not mean that all drinking should be banned.

  • keith

    Why not just ban people who behave like arseholes from going out in public? Let’s also encourage the government to ban anyone who needs instructions as to how to use an escalator from ever using them. Also ban idiots who think it’s a good idea to walk down stairs whilst watching a drama on their pmp or smartphone from anything more technologically complex than a spoon. I think that’s a smashing idea.

  • Creo69

    keith,
    In some places in the USA it is against the law to text while walking. These idiots are walking into traffic and getting hit. I am sure you will tell me that is their right but it is not their right as they put other’s lives as risk when they cause accidents through their stupidity.