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Sex, Anti-Korean Sentiment and Videotape

The Chosun continues its war on overseas Korean prostitution with a disturbing tale of sex, hidden cameras and Japanese anti-Korean Wave demonstrators.

Sorry, but where would you rather read this? Here or at Japan Probe?

Anyway, last year, 21 videos—apparently under the title, “Sad Situation of the Korean Entertainment World”—got uploaded on a Japanese adult website depicting a Japanese dude in a what appears to be a Japanese hotel having sex with 20 Korean girls (for those doing the math at home, one girl apparently appears in two of the videos).

The guy has his face pixelated, but the girls’ faces can be clearly seem.

One of the girls called a prostitute human rights center and said she wanted to die. She’d gone overseas to, ahem, work, but now had her face all over the Internet because somebody had secretly taped her. Another one of the girls in the videos has also received psychological treatment.

Police in Busan, after watching the videos many times, finally found about one or two seconds of video in which the man’s face isn’t pixelated. Police asked around about him, showing the screen capture to girls who’d gone overseas as prostitutes. The girls said this guy absolutely needed to be captured and punished, and using their network, they began to search for him. Just a day after showing the girls his photo, police learned the man in the videos is a Japanese named “Takahashi.”

Nam Jae-woo, a team head at Busan Police’s international crime investigation division, said when one considers the fact that the victimized women spotted this “Takahashi” douchebag (my word, not the Chosun’s) conducting a one-man “anti-Korean Wave” demonstration in Tokyo, it appears he secretly filmed the videos and uploaded them on the Internet out of anti-Korean sentiment.

Busan police have sent the man’s ID to Japanese police and requested a joint-investigation, but they’ve yet to hear back from Japan.

Police expressed frustration, saying because of the great harm suffered by the Korean girls, they want to know if this Takahashi has been punished, but there has been no communication. They said it’s a problem that when cases of overseas prostitution occur, cooperation with the police of the country in question doesn’t go smoothly.

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  • Ladron

    If I have evidence that there are actually 33 of these videos, do I get some reward?

  • hamel

    Weren’t there some earlier comments in this thread, somewhat silly in tenor? Did they get deleted, Mr. Moderator?

  • http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    Indeed they did. I’ve asked several times for said commenter to simply explain a previous comment he made, but he has so far refused to do so. When he offers an explanation, he may be allowed to post again.

  • R. Elgin

    This begs the question of just why the Korean police do not arrest the women, who were clearly breaking Korean law regarding prostitution.

    Perhaps they believe that prostitution is a victimless crime after all.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    Hummm… simply making prostitution illegal without helping to solve some of the systemic issues behind it appears to just push the prostitution to other countries.

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    What are the “systemic issues” behind prostitution which can be “solved”? It’s not like any other country in the world has figured out a solution. If during the long experience of human civilization we haven’t been able to figure out how to stop it, maybe it’s something which can’t be stopped. And then that begs the question whether it should be stopped, or whether it’s an ordinary form of (undesirable, albeit ordinary) commerce.

    The guy with the video camera, though, is clearly a crook — because he’s infringing the women’s right to privacy.

  • PeterDownUnder

    [link deleted]

    I trust you guys know how to use torrents.

    I personally highly recommend number 19. Her professionalism and eagerness on top of her beauty makes this my fave. Some of them are hit and miss. Number 27 is a good watch if anything but for laughs. She keeps yelling out for her ‘어머니’ LOL…

    Have fun boys

  • paulhewson

    “korean model scandal vol. 1 – 21″

    And bitsnoop sucks balls……

    Besides there are much better sites but…….remember……no facebook page.

  • Jieun K

    My god.

    The Marmot’s Hole is not some porn site where guys post links to sex videos. Besides, we’re talking about an invasion of privacy here.

    Sorry, but can somebody please remove the link in Comment #7? Thank you.

  • Jieun K

    One of the girls [...] said she wanted to die. . . Another one [...] in the videos has also received psychological treatment.

    And this?

    I personally highly recommend number 19. . . Have fun boys

    It saddens me that men can be this callous.

  • Arghaeri

    Not sure how the first is callous, its simple reporting. And as for the second, he’s one of yours, not all men are like that.

  • Arghaeri

    who were clearly breaking Korean law regarding prostitution.

    Really, yiu have evidence of money being exchanged, feel free to provide your source for this?

  • paulhewson

    Brendon was right.

    The first rule of internet porn site is “you DO NOT TALK about internet porn site.”

    And the second rule of internet porn site is “YOU DO NOT TALK OR BLOG ABOUT INTERNET PORN SITE.”

    P. S. “You’re not how much money you have in the bank…..”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuFvx7vN_pU

    “…you’re not your f***in khakis ” either…..

  • Jieun K

    Not sure how the first is callous, its simple reporting.

    What are you referring to? You “report” a link to leaked sex video?

    And as for the second, he’s one of yours

    What do you mean by “one of yours”? That the commenter in question is Korean? Callousness does not discriminate ethnicity.

    not all men are like that

    I know.

  • Jieun K

    Many thanks (to Brendon?) for the prompt action.

  • Sonagi

    Thank you, Jieun K, for pointing it out, and thank you, Brendon, for deleting it.

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    I’m pleased to think you ladies believe I’m principled like that, even with my dark libertarian heart. You’re welcome.

  • Sonagi

    True libertarians are very principled; it’s just that their principles are not embraced by all.

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    That’s why we’re going to set up the camps.

  • RolyPoly

    some guys do go for quantity.

  • Cloud

    I’ve been reading this blog for several years and decided to join as a commenter after reading the post about foreign girls sunbathing at Cheonggyecheon. The comments “rating” the girls’ attractiveness and their right to wear certain clothing in public got me wondering why there were so few female commenters at the marmot’s hole.
    I’m not one to throw a word like “misogynist” around but there is certainly hints of it lingering in some of the comments and may be the reason so few women frequent here. My opinion on the young women in sunbathing in Cheonggyecheon: perfectly attractive and nothing inappropriate in what they were doing. The comments by the men who were probably no Adonises themselves? Completely inappropriate and juvenile.
    My opinion on this post if my understanding is correct and this happened in Japan and not Korea: Why the hell are the Busan police wasting time on this when police should be worrying about protecting women from actual violence and sexual assault in their own backyard and handing out appropriate sentences for the perpetrators?

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Brendon wrote:

    The guy with the video camera, though, is clearly a crook — because he’s infringing the women’s right to privacy.

    Prostitution is illegal in Japan. The women and the man should be arrested or fined, and the women should be deported and banned from reentry from the country the required number of years if that is part of the punishment for crimes committed by foreigners.

    Brendon, do the women still have a right to privacy when they are engaging in illegal acts? For example, would it violate the privacy rights of a burglar if he or she were videotaped breaking into a home?

    Also, regarding the deleted link to the videos, is it illegal to post links to such videos? Are the links Robert posts to nude and semi-nude photos of women illegal? If not, then why delete the link? Let those who want to click on it have the option.

  • Sonagi

    Unlike the women in photos and videos that Robert links to, the Korean women in this case did not give consent, hence, the invasion of privacy. As for the illegality of the women’s actions, in Korea, “innocent till proven guilty” is respected in public media by not publishing the full identities of accused persons who are not public figures. In the US and other countries that splash names and photos all over the front pages, a person wrongly accused may suffer public scorn, lost job opportunities, and death threats even if found not guilty.

  • Q

    University of Rhode Island has the following, sort of old but it could tell the story:

    Some 80% of Asian female migrant workers who legally entered Japan in the 1990s were “entertainers,” a euphemism for those engaged in the booming sex industry. (International Labor Organization, Elif Kaban, “UN labour body urges recognition of sex industry,” Reuters, 18 August 1998)

    There are more than 150,000 foreign women in prostitution in Japan; more than half are Filipinas and 40% are Thai. (CATW-Asia Pacific, Newsletter Volume 1.2, Winter 1998)

    Prostitution was outlawed in 1956, but has had a minimal effect. (“Pornography Easy To Find in Japan,” Joseph Coleman, Associated Press, October 1997)

    Until 1997, Tokyo and Nagano are the only areas of Japan where sex with children was not illegal. (Joseph Coleman, “Pornography Easy to Find in Japan,” Associated Press, August 1997)

    Tokyo has introduced measures to combat the rising trend of teenage girls selling sex to older men through ‘telephone chat clubs’. It is now illegal to put up posters and fliers advertising the clubs within 200 yards of schools and also for any such establishment to let girls under 18 inside. Until now, there has been no punishment for the clients of prostitutes. The new law is to act as a stronger deterrent. The legal age of consent for sex in Tokyo and Nagano is 13, not 18 like the rest of the country. (Tokyo’s Youth Division spokesman, “Tokyo cracks down on teenage prostitution ‘clubs’,” Reuters, 13 August 1997)

    A new Japanese law went into effect 16 December 1997 making paid sex with a child under age 18 a criminal offence. Anyone who pays for sex with anyone under 18 will be liable to up to a year’s jail term and a 2,600 pound sterling fine. Prior to this law sexual contact with children under 13 was illegal but relations with a teenager aged 13 or over was allowed, unless coercion was involved. (The Times, London, 11 October 1997)

    In 1998, Japan was the world’s biggest producer of child pornography and Parliament recently refused to pass a law banning the production of child pornography, citing “business reasons.” (End Child Prostitution, Child Pornography and Trafficking of Children for Sexual Purposes, Poona Antaseeda, “Expert urges global law to end child pornography on the Internet,” Bangkok Post, 3 June 1998)

    http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/japan.htm

  • susasum

    “As for the illegality of the women’s actions, in Korea, “innocent till proven guilty” is respected in public media by not publishing the full identities of accused persons who are not public figures.”

    Isn’t this info out of date? These days the Korean media has even been publishing names of accused murders.

  • PineForest

    It’s really low for that scumbag to film and post this. i hope he gets his ass beat by the gangpei.

  • Maximus2008

    Sonagi, Bevers’ point is that the ladies broke the law, like a burglar that goes into your home.

    If there is a CCTV filming the burglar (a criminal) it’s ok; in this case, a camera was filming another criminal (a lady that broke the law). Isn’t it ok as well? Not talking about purpose of filming, but about breaking the law.

  • Sonagi

    CCTVs are installed on the premises by owners, and businesses take care to post notices informing customers of this. The Japanese man filmed in a hotel. If one is filming for the purpose of apprehension of criminals, then the appropriate thing to do is to take the videos to the police, which this man did not do because he was a participant.

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    Sonagi: “True libertarians are very principled; it’s just that their principles are not embraced by all.”

    Brendon: “That’s why we’re going to set up the camps.”

    Jeffery: “I love Brendon’s witty humor!”

    Brendon: “I’m serious.”

    Jeffery: “Love it!”

    Brendon: “Take him away, boys.”

    Jeffery Hodges

    * * *

  • http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    My sensibilities are somewhere between Howard Stern’s and Tinto Brass’s, and I’m not going to pretend that, ahem, my friends have never watched leaked homemade stuff. I’d prefer we didn’t link hidden camera stuff like this, though.

  • hamel

    Maximus2008:

    If there is a CCTV filming the burglar (a criminal) it’s ok; in this case, a camera was filming another criminal (a lady that broke the law). Isn’t it ok as well? Not talking about purpose of filming, but about breaking the law.

    How do we know from the footage that prostitution has, in fact, taken place, and not just consensual sex? Does the footage show an exchange of cash and a deal being made? (And even if so, how do we know this is not just staged as part of one of those “reality porn” flicks?) Etc etc.

    I think that the privacy issue still trumps the “it’s okay because she was committing a crime” argument.

    The other thing is, these films are made for the purpose of erotic stimulation, which is not the main purpose of CCTV footage (though it may be an additional benefit). When two people engage in coitus, it is ostensibly for the pleasure of one or both of them, not to satisfy the lusts of hundreds/thousands of drooling viewers.

  • http://geoju.kr fanwarrior

    The comments by the men who were probably no Adonises themselves? Completely inappropriate and juvenile.

    Much as this is. It’s an antagonizing, trollish tone.

    People can’t have and share opinions unless they’re perfect examples of humanity?

    As a society we’ve actually set the bar in a different manner. Traditionally people can only make fun of people the same as them. Black people can say bad things about black people and it’s fine. White guy does it? call all the acronymed groups you can think of.

    So in this case if your complaint is that the guys were saying the girls weren’t attractive, and then childishly implying the guys aren’t attractive, that would actually make it okay by society’s standards. You better hope you’re an uggo otherwise you’re out of line.

  • http://www.expathell.com thankswww

    I don’t buy the “anti-Korean” sentiment angle. Where can I see facts supporting this, in original Japanese? Actually the fellow in the videos looks as though he is rather fond of Koreans, and he seems to have ‘pumped’ a whole lot of money back into the Korean economy. The surgically enhanced girls, for their part, don’t look very miserable in the videos. Hopefully the Japanese police have identified them so they cannot work illegally in Japan again. These women are one major reason why young or single Korean women are questioned intensely (to the point of embarassment) whenever they travel to Japan.

  • Arghaeri
    Not sure how the first is callous, its simple reporting.

    What are you referring to? You “report” a link to leaked sex video?

    Firstly, I reported nothing, only replied to your comment. Secondly, your “first” was a quote from RK’s post in which I see no such link. The “link” was in your second.

  • babotaengi

    “Number 27 is a good watch if anything but for laughs. She keeps yelling out for her ‘어머니’ LOL…”

    That’s some dark shit right there, “mate”. I think many will agree, like the douche who uploaded these videos, you should have been born punched in the mouth.

  • Arghaeri

    do the women still have a right to privacy when they are engaging in illegal acts?

    Except in an appropriate legal forum, I would say yes, morally if not legally.

    Secondly, as previously noted the norm is innocent till proven guilty, and so far you have refused to provide any evidence of a crime. Probable it may be, but proven that they received money, not.

  • Arghaeri

    Also, regarding the deleted link to the videos, is it illegal to post links to such videos?

    If they involve penetration, then I’m not absolutely sure, but since KCCP actively block full porn sites, then provably yes it is illegal.

    Are the links Robert posts to nude and semi-nude photos of women illegal? If not, then why delete the link? Let those who want to click on it have the option.

    Probably not, but then that’s not the point is it, the ones RK links to are ostensibly ones of photos taken with the subjects permission, whereas in this case there is clear notice that these are likely without such consent.

  • Arghaeri

    Why the hell are the Busan police wasting time on this when police should be worrying about protecting women from actual violence and sexual assault in their own backyard.

    What, its an either / or thing for you!!!

    Lets take this other scenarios and see how stupid your statement is:

    Your girlfriend goes on holiday in Japan, goes missing but a video on the web surfaces of her in bondage being whipped. You go to NYPD ask for their help, and thay say, bleh we can’t be assed to contact the Tokyo PD, you don’t think we’ve enough to do protecting girls on our own turf.

    Or maybe good old POTUS Obama goes on his hols and a video appears on the web of him being shot in a drive by yakuza shooting.
    FBI investigation with Tokyo? nah don’t you think we’ve got enough gangland shootings of of our own to worry about.

    Not to mention the fact, that since Korea applies many of its laws exta-terratorially then if these girls are in fact korean, and are in fact engaged in prostitution, or in fact engaged in porn making, then the police should be investgating with an aimto arresting and prosecuting the girls on their return to korea for breech of korean law.

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    Brendon, do the women still have a right to privacy when they are engaging in illegal acts?

    It is a logical and moral fallacy to argue that if one is guilty of a crime, one becomes fair game for criminals.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Brendon Carr wrote (#39):

    It is a logical and moral fallacy to argue that if one is guilty of a crime, one becomes fair game for criminals.

    Brendon, you seem to be saying that the video could not be used as evidence against the women since it infringes on their right to privacy. Is that correct?

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    No, that is not what I’m saying.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Brendon: The guy with the video camera, though, is clearly a crook — because he’s infringing the women’s right to privacy.

    Gerry: Brendon, do the women still have a right to privacy when they are engaging in illegal acts?

    Brendon: It is a logical and moral fallacy to argue that if one is guilty of a crime, one becomes fair game for criminals.

    Gerry: Brendon, you seem to be saying that the video could not be used as evidence against the women since it infringes on their right to privacy. Is that correct?

    Brendon: No, that is not what I’m saying.

    Whatever, Brendon.

  • hamel

    Gerry, whatever is wrong with your English comprehension? I have no trouble following what Cr. Carr is saying whatsoever. Why do you?

    Why do conflate the process of criminal justice (i.e. using the video as evidence in court) with the crime of spreading pornographic videos in which one person has not given their consent? Is that a deliberate obfuscation on your part? Or are you actually confusing the two?

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Hamel wrote (#43):

    Gerry, whatever is wrong with your English comprehension? I have no trouble following what Cr. Carr is saying whatsoever.

    Good, Hamel. Then, you can answer the question that Brendon seemed to be trying to sidestep.

    Brendon said the videos infringed the women’s right to privacy. If the videos infringed the women’s right to privacy, then wouldn’t that make the videos illegal? Can the videos that infringe the women’s right to privacy be used against the women in a court of law? If so, why?

  • hamel

    Gerry, Cr. Carr was not trying to sidestep your question. Nor did he “seem to be.” He was just exasperated with your seeming inabiliy to understand what he was saying.

    Brendon said the videos infringed the women’s right to privacy. If the videos infringed the women’s right to privacy, then wouldn’t that make the videos illegal? Can the videos that infringe the women’s right to privacy be used against the women in a court of law? If so, why?

    The first question is not the same as any of the ones you asked Brendon above. The second question: I don’t know, but it is an interesting legal question. It might be related to the question of whether an illegal wiretap (obtained without a proper warrant) can be used as evidence, or a conversation that is recorded without the other person’s consent (in a jurisdiction where that is necessary).

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Hamel wrote (#45):

    Gerry, Cr. Carr was not trying to sidestep your question.

    Then I question your English comprehension ability, Hamel.

    I had asked “Brendon, do the women still have a right to privacy when they are engaging in illegal acts?” That is a Yes/No question, Hamel. Brendon did not answer with a “yes” or “no.”

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    if they calmly say the things that you say, gerry, this couldn’t be better news for korea. it’s time now for koreans to be on the defensive. you do that by getting the japanese to keep talking as you calmly egg them on. most decent people will be offended. outside those creepy guys in the japanese comic section, i think the japanese are going to come off looking like gerry. this is good news for korea.

    ps gerry, did you like my new movie poster of you called ‘the lunatic’? i hope your co-ethnic, slim, went to visit because that poster was more than just cut and paste, gerry. i hope you download it and enjoy looking at yourself as a star. you’re a star, gerry! you should show your son. i hope you have a good day, gerry. might i offer you some juicy fruit gum?

  • http://pawikoreapics.blogspot.com/ pawikirogii 石鵝

    sorry wrong thread.

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    I had asked “Brendon, do the women still have a right to privacy when they are engaging in illegal acts?” That is a Yes/No question, Hamel. Brendon did not answer with a “yes” or “no.”

    Gerry — That’s not the question you asked. You asked whether video recordings of a supposedly illegal act made in violation of the subject’s putative right to privacy could be used as evidence against the subject (presumably in a criminal proceeding, but possibly also in a civil case).

    I’d like to return you to the larger point: Criminals have rights not to be victims of crime. It’s not okay to rape a whore, even a Korean whore. This seems to be a persistent misunderstanding for you.

  • paulhewson

    Re. #21 Cloud

    I am NOT a misogynist, sir (glove comes off, slap, slap, ten paces???)

    Now I may be slightly misanthropic but I still place women high, high, high up above men. In fact, my wife is my best friend and has been now for twelve plus years. Really. No shit!

    And I am still amazed everyday that she actually said yes when I asked her to marry me. I was very lucky that day.

    Cloud, I will have you know that MUSIC COMES FROM THE HOLE OF THE GUITAR, sir.

    And good day!!!

  • inkevitch

    I am impressed that G.Bevers finds a way to change the course of discussion about another topic to him being a douchebag.

    Congratulations buddy.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Brendon wrote (#49):

    Gerry — That’s not the question you asked.

    That was exactly the question I asked. Look at Comment #22, Paragraph 2.

    Brendon wrote:

    I’d like to return you to the larger point: Criminals have rights not to be victims of crime. It’s not okay to rape a whore, even a Korean whore. This seems to be a persistent misunderstanding for you.

    See, Hamel! That’s called sidestepping.

    Were the women in the videos raped, Brendon? You mentioned nothing about rape before. You simply said the videos infringed the women’s right to privacy (#6), which implies the videos were obtained illegally.

    Again, my question is–”Can the videos be used in a court of law against the women?” That is a yes/no question. If so, why?

  • inkevitch

    “See, Hamel! That’s called sidestepping.

    Were the women in the videos raped, Brendon? You mentioned nothing about rape before. You simply said the videos infringed the women’s right to privacy (#6), which implies the videos were obtained illegally.”

    That is called being obtuse, whether intentionally or not. It is obvious he is referring to your defence of the rape of comfort women which you deny is rape becomes some of them had consentual sex and some of them went willingly to the comfort camps and then were raped.

    But being obtuse is what you do when you have no defence. There is no implication that the videos were obtained illegally, they were taken without the participants knowledge or consent and were of a sexual nature.

    But that is what you do. Come into a discussion appearing to argue finer points of statement that may have been ambiguous, poorly worded or even unhelpful to the discussion. Meanwhile eentirely avoiding the larger issue either intentionally or not, and usually so you can keep pushing your petty little anti-korean agenda.

    And yes, every thing you have said here can not be taken as anti-korean. But given the context of the discussion, your past agendas and view points, to think otherwise would be moronic.

    You keep saying that you don’t hate Korea, and that you just think people say it because you defend the Japanese on Dokdo/comfort women issues. But when everyone thinks the same thing, some of which may even agree with you on some issues or admire your knowledge on other or have even been friends or acquitances in the past, you have to ask yourself “is it everyone else, or is it me?”

    It is actually almost humourous that the same intellectual honesty you expect of the Korean people you are unable to display yourself. In many ways you are the expat that displays the most Korean (particularly adjosshi) traits on here.

  • inkevitch

    There is no implication that the videos were obtained illegally, they were taken without the participants knowledge or consent and were of a sexual nature.
    =
    There is no implication that the videos were obtained illegally, it is obvious they were obtained illegally. They were taken without the participants knowledge or consent and were of a sexual nature.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Inkevitch wrote (#53):

    That is called being obtuse, whether intentionally or not. It is obvious he is referring to your defence of the rape of comfort women which you deny is rape becomes some of them had consentual sex and some of them went willingly to the comfort camps and then were raped.

    This thread is not about comfort women or rape, so aren’t you and Brendon the ones being intentionally obtuse?

    I certainly do not support rape of “comfort women” or any woman, and I challenge you and Brendon to prove that I have ever written anything otherwise.

  • αβγδε

    Posting links to videos of these women — Don’t know about and don’t care to justify the legality or illegality of such a thing. It suffices to say that having them posted here is tasteless.

    That’s why the link was and should be deleted. Only brains-of-a-robot gbevers can’t understand such things. And PeterSleazyDownUnder, too.

  • hamel

    Mr. Bevers:

    Then I question your English comprehension ability, Hamel.

    Maybe you are right.

    If I am the only one who questions your ability to effectively communicate with people in your first language, then you can safely dismiss me as a fool. However, if several people think you to be a jackass, won’t you at least turn around and see if you have a tail?

  • http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    You are a piece of work, Gerry.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    αβγδε wrote (#56):

    Posting links to videos of these women …. It suffices to say that having them posted here is tasteless.

    That’s why the link was and should be deleted. Only brains-of-a-robot gbevers can’t understand such things. And PeterSleazyDownUnder, too.

    I was just wondering why some links are off-limits and others are not, αβγδε.

    Robert Koehler wrote HERE:

    Miss Universe Japan (?) Threesome Video

    If you’re looking for the sex tape of someone who may or may not be Miss Universe Japan in a threesome with Miss Trinidad and Tobago and some American photographer, I direct you here.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    This case makes no sense on many levels. Why is it a matter for Korean police? Doesn’t going public greatly increase the amount of exposure the victims will receive?

  • playerofwebworld

    These antics by the Japanese can be labeled as anti-korean, but they are also based on the rationale fear that Japanese society, which already has its share of prostitution and similar social problems, doesn’t want to succumb to them at the level of Koreans.

    The number of Korean women entering prostitution is reaching a freakonomic level, and warrants an attempt to explore the hidden side of the problem. I’m no sociologist, just an observer, but the unhealthy degree to which Koreans perpetuate and chase the pursuit of luxury, status and beauty to validate their existence seems to be at the core of this problem. Having these things is so deeply engrained in the modern Korean woman’s psyche through vehicles like Hallyu, media, cosmetic companies, plastic surgery clinics, etc… That it makes North Korea’s propaganda and mind control efforts seem like child’s play in comparison.

    It’s truly an epidemic. So many women want the very unnatural, uncommon and unstable cheong-dam princess life – A Sonyeoshidae face, luxury clothing and handbags, and socialite like status that rivals Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian. Completely chasing or at least stepping in that direction has become the norm. But how can they afford it? Two ways: They fake it and live the ‘twenjang’ life a facade of projecting the high-life on the surface only) or they become prostitutes to sustain it, and enter a vicious cycle.

    Read this amazing & sad special report by SF Gate that covers a personal account of one Korean trafficked sex slave that entered the life to pay her Seoul socialite credit card debt : http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/06/MNGR1LGUQ41.DTL

    Despite earning so much extra income, a lot of these women don’t level up financially. As the Notorious BIG said, with “Mo Money, Mo Problems” – http://asiancorrespondent.com/22346/room-salon-girls-salaries-investigated/

  • playerofwebworld

    Sorry here is the article on the personal account by a college girl in Seoul who got trafficked: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/08/MNGAULL53D1.DTL

  • αβγδε

    Well, Gerry, you will go out of your way to split hairs for the sake of defending Japan or sustaining any attack on Koreans.

    But I’ll tell you there’s an easy and obvious difference between a girl working as a prostitute – which is a pointedly shameful business – who was filmed privately AND an exhibitionist celebrity who filmed the video herself.

    One might argue that posting that other video here is tasteless too, and I might agree, but don’t think you are comparing apples with apples.

  • αβγδε

    privately –> without her knowing.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    “The number of Korean women entering prostitution is reaching a freakonomic level, and warrants an attempt to explore the hidden side of the problem. I’m no sociologist, just an observer, but the unhealthy degree to which Koreans perpetuate and chase the pursuit of luxury, status and beauty to validate their existence seems to be at the core of this problem. Having these things is so deeply engrained in the modern Korean woman’s psyche through vehicles like Hallyu, media, cosmetic companies, plastic surgery clinics, etc… That it makes North Korea’s propaganda and mind control efforts seem like child’s play in comparison.”

    I don’t really think it’s that complex. There just aren’t a lot of jobs for young women that pay a living wage.

  • http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ gbevers

    Yu Bum Suk wrote (#65):

    I don’t really think it’s that complex. There just aren’t a lot of jobs for young women that pay a living wage.

    Are you saying that the South Korean government has forced more than 300,000 young women into sexual slavery?

    San Francisco Chronicle — October 8, 2006

    Today, sex work accounts for 4 percent of the country’s gross domestic product, according to government reports. Prostitution brings $21 billion a year — more than electricity and gas combined. There are an estimated 330,000 sex workers, 80,000 brothels and 69 red-light districts in a country the size of Indiana.

    LINK

  • bballi bballi Paradise

    Volume 8-3,
    Girl looks into the camera at the end, and basically freaks out and begins to call her pimp. Dude also freaks out and tries to cover said camera. The feed goes black but audio is there…..

  • http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

    Ignore the troll, folks.

  • dokdoforever

    Here are some related stats I googled: The prostitution industry accounts for 5% of the GDP of the Netherlands, between 1 and 3% of Japanese GDP and in 1998, the International Labour Organization (ILO) estimated that prostitution accounted for between 2 and 14% of the total economic activity in Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines.

  • cm

    #65 Korean women entering prostitution isn’t increasing. If Sanfransico paper’s source is correct, then it’s decreased a lot. I’ve heard up to 1 million sex workers were in Korea, about 10 years ago. It just seems increasing because of all the press reports, plus the highly publicized war on prostitution the last several years.

    According to here, number of prostitutes in 2007 were down to 269,000, sex transactions in 2007, down significantly, compared to 2002.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_South_Korea

    And I thought I read somewhere recently that the Ministry of gender equality’s latest estimated number of prostitutes in Korea has the figure around 180,000, if I remember correctly. I’ll see if I can re-find the sources.

  • playerofwebworld

    “I don’t really think it’s that complex. There just aren’t a lot of jobs for young women that pay a living wage.”

    South Korea isn’t exactly an economically deprived nation. Most young single women live at home (no rent, bills and food is usually taken care of). Let’s just assume say that 90% of Korean prostitutes have no family support whatsoever (unlikely), but if that’s the case, then how much do they really need to have a roof, food, clean water and normal clothes? Maybe ~ 1 to 1.3 million per month.

    But most girls in the Seoul or Busan can’t handle the shame of such a simple life, they want to spend.

    So I think it depends on what you consider a ‘living’ wage. Having a roof over your head, clothes, clean water and food on the table is living to me and very possible in Korea. There are plenty of immigrant workers here from Bangladesh and the Philippines who are living here just fine. But Koreans want to have flash, so girls are willing to sell their bodies, just like the girls in those videos. And judging from their cosmetic enhancements, hair, makeup and clothes they don’t exactly have cheap taste.

  • playerofwebworld

    If anyone wants to see an interesting documentary that shows the ugly side of Japan’s room salon and sex industry. I recommend watching “The Great Happiness Space: Tale of an Osaka Love Thief” It’s about room salon boys, (room salon’s that women patronage to enjoy the company of young men). These women burn sometimes up to $3,000-$8,000 per month on these places, and interestingly enough, they are mostly female Japanese sex workers, who can only seek comfort and companionship by buying the very thing they sell as well, so it creates this nasty ongoing ecosystem.

  • dokdoforever

    One of the great advantages of being a foreigner in Korea is not having too worry about what random Koreans in public think about you. It is unfathomable to me to think that someone would voluntarily sell their body for something like a Gucci hand bag. People stuck in poverty or addicted to meth – I can see how they’d be desperate. But a hand bag?? Incredible.

  • cm

    #66 gbevers, I perfectly understand your attempt to compare the modern day prostitution in Korea, with the Comfort women issue, and I wasn’t going to interrupt…. but… it just doesn’t fly. Just give it up. If you insist on comparing to the Comfort women, then the better comparison would be comparing the Comfort women with what’s happening to North Korean women who escape North Korea, only to be sold off to the Chinese men. That’s a way better comparison, except that China doesn’t have an official policy of selling and buying of Korean sex slave girls, as the Japanese military had, when they dragged off those girls into battle fields.

    My last input on this.. Just give it up, cause it’s weak.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    “Are you saying that the South Korean government has forced more than 300,000 young women into sexual slavery?”

    Of course not but the stats on employment for young women versus young men is quite striking. I’m sure a lot of bargirls would trade the rooms salon for an office job making W2m / month if given the choice.

  • playerofwebworld

    #75

    “I’m sure a lot of bar girls would trade the rooms salon for an office job making W2m / month if given the choice.”

    Girls who want to escape poverty and don’t mind the hard life of corporate Korea – Yes! Girls who want Louis Vuitton, flexible socialite schedule, and enhance their looks to nab a rich older hubby in search of a trophy housewife – No… I’m afraid, the latter is more than the former in Seoul…

  • hamel

    Mr. Bevers:

    Are you saying that the South Korean government has forced more than 300,000 young women into sexual slavery?

    See #57 above.

  • Lliane

    Sorry for the gals but :

    “Nemo auditur propriam turpitudinem allegans
    in pari causa turpitudinis cessat repetitio”
    “No one can be heard to invoke his own turpitude
    Where both parties are guilty, no one may recover”

    That probably doesn’t work in Korea but it’s valid in Japan, they should keep trying there, being an AV star is a great path for celebrity, at least you get paid sleeping with your producer.

  • Maximus2008

    Unfortunately, I think #76 is right.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    @ Brendon Carr, # 6:

    Sorry it took so long. Crazy weekend.

    I think there are two systemic problems in Korea that contribute to a prostitution rate that is higher than it should be (for a developed country).

    1) Low yield of college degrees. Too many Koreans who get college degrees from non-SKY universities don’t make enough to live. Thus, they have to live with parents. If you don’t get a college degree, then your income potential is pretty crappy.

    2) Lower status of women and difficulty for them to advance upwards. I attribute this to Korea’s lower development in the services sector, which contributes to a lot more opportunities for higher paying jobs to women. Korea is not like the U.S. where there are probably 3-5x more nurses than it probably needs.

    playerofwebworld,

    Your comment attributes probably to prostitutes who are just beginning the trade or are part-time. There are probably room salon gals with the same motivations…. but room salons gals are not usually the same as prostitutes. For career prostitutes, they probably long ago realized that their profession doesn’t guarantee (or improve) their options to nabbing a rich hubby. Maybe the opportunity to be a play thing that a rich guy can throw money at from time to time, but not a rich “hubby” per say.

    I still believe that if you fix the economic systemic reasons (especially the gender equality in terms of income) then you will decisively reduce prostitution. You’ll always have those who think prostitution is an avenue to quick money and material things, but I like to believe that most women aren’t that stupid.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    “per se,” not “per say.”

  • commander

    While we are all generalizing about prostitution, in the 30 seconds I spent thinking about this topic, I’m guessing that the big picture is probably something like this:

    1. Girls enter into to prostitution due to unfavorable socioeconomic factors such as poverty, bad family situation, debt… they make a bad decision or a series of bad decisions and end up on the slippery slope that eventually lead to a brothel.

    2. Human trafficking: Girls are coerced or tricked into prostitution.

    3. Psychological factors, such as being victimized by sexual abuse as child, addiction, mental illness, etc.

    4. Quick money, which is differentiated from #1 above (adverse socioeconomic factors). In this case there is a choice of either going the conventional route of entry level job, marriage, etc. which is obviously the norm, or else working in the “entertainment” industry (hostess bars, room salons, etc.) which can be much higher income but also a slippery slope to God knows where; but the final destination is not necessarily prostitution.

    5. Other

    If you ranked these 5 factors as driving forces for prostitution, my uneducated guess would be something like 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5.

    The real question is not whether Korean females are more prone to prostitution than other females, which I absolutely do not believe is true, but why Koreans are so successful, if you will, in exporting and establishing the world’s oldest profession in countries outside of Korea, and more importantly, how it can be stopped.

  • holterbarbour

    @80,
    WK, I think you mean that there are too many nurses in Korea, and not in the States. A rather prolonged shortage of nurses in the US has only just begun to ease up, and is projected to return again in a few years. The shortage has been severe enough for the US to be especially liberal with the granting of visas to foreign nurses. Many Korean women have done a two-year nursing degree here and made their way over to the States.

    At least for those who arrived in the US before the visa waiver program went into effect, I’d wager that quite a few of the Korean women overstaying their visas and engaging in… other activities… had arrived on nursing visas.

  • holterbarbour
  • numberoneoppa

    I’m pretty much rolling all over the place laughing after clicking on this, seeing exactly the screen caps I expected to see and then seeing that half of the people in the comments are in the same boat.

    <3 Marmot's.

  • numberoneoppa

    Also, if he’s doing this with Anti-Korean sentiment, he’s failing miserably. (I’ll leave interpretation open…)

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