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Open Thread #240

Get drunk on Doko Madness!
Get drunk on Doko madness with a fine California wine named after Dokdo’s ZIP code (no mad cow there) and post your thoughts in an open thread.

About the author: Psst, want to buy some used marble cheap?

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    20만원 and 30만원 for a totally new vineyard with no established reputation? Freakin’ amazing. This guy must think Koreans are idiots or something.

  • http://dok.do/4aVK41 Year of the Dragon

    They are when it comes to Dokdo.

    The guy is a genius, Koreans will snap them up – simply because it has Dokdo and Dokdo’s postcode on it.

    The wine bottles are produced in California, so doesn’t mean it’s a new vineyard, probably normal red wine, in new bottles.

    If you want to sell things in Korea, just make sure the products have “I Love Dokdo” on them and they will sell well.

  • R. Elgin

    A-hem . . . at least he didn’t name it “Chateau Dokdo”, “Chez Dokdo” or list it as “Domaine du Dokdo”.
    Lately, I am sticking with the idiot French wines and am very happy though I must use anti-histimines to avoid mad cow allergies.

  • R. Elgin

    Per #3, Dokdo condoms – but they should be very small since Dokdo is not so big.

  • http://dok.do/4aVK41 Year of the Dragon

    Kyung Hee University College of Medicine Medical Associations
    phone number is 51 (9) 799 – 805.

    They must be proud!

  • jk6411

    Dokdo condoms – but they should be very small since Dokdo is not so big.

    Really? Dokdo is a lot bigger than a man.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #3,

    Seigneurie de Dokdo. It’s salty with a hint of seagull poop.

  • gbnhj

    ‘Dikdo’ brand condoms, then?

  • http://dok.do/4aVK41 Year of the Dragon

    http://tiny.cc/g49fdw

    Poor lady, her daughter got in, but she didn’t.

    and then the Chinese get upset when they are illtreated abroad.

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    So, half the wine was sold to Korean-Americans and the other half exported to Korea. This entrepreneur’s a complete failure! His goal was “to globally advertise his belief that Dokdo is Korean territory” but he only sells to people who already fervently share that belief? Joke’s on him — he’s been forced to sell his $2 wine for W200,000 and W300,000 a bottle thanks to his terrible branding and market choices.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    Dokdo-brand soju is pretty good, and you really can’t beat the price.

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    “Getting Others to Drink the Kool-Aid”

    Jeffery Hodges

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  • keith

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17867102

    Krazy Korean kristians do it again!

    I think the religious folks in Korea actually outdo the religious nutters in many other places. I also think it is pretty pathetic when a government goes out of its way to appease religious extremists.

    I don’t find Lady Gaga offensive, xtian ‘rock bands like Stryper are actually more offensive. xtian ‘rock’ music is shockingly bad, whilst Gaga is just musically boring. The only reason she wears all those costumes is to distract from the fact that her music is dull as dishwater.

    Has anyone ever been ‘turned gay’ by listening to music? These religious nutters are a strange lot indeed. If anything judging by how ‘fruity’ a lot of the Korean boy bands look the xtians would be better of protesting those boys gigs.

  • http://dok.do/4aVK41 Year of the Dragon

    and our own onboard Christian preacher “Rolly” is always talking about how the “Young Korean k-pop girl bands” and so hot and so good, whilst he preaches that he is on his way to heaven for being a “good Christian”.

    right…. so it’s okay for Christians to perve at hot young semi-nude girls and still go to heaven, but any singers with a different agenda are evil?

  • Yu Bum Suk

    Kieth, it reminds me exactly of the Christian fundamentalists’ campaign against “Satanic” rock music in the 80s in NA. Some God-botherers seemed to think that groups like AC/DC were regularly engaging in Satanic rituals and that Satan himself was helping to create the music. In a country like Korea where homosexuality has been kept so tightly in the closet the Koristians’ fears actually make much more sense. AC/DC don’t actually believe in Satan or hell but I’m pretty sure Lady Gaga does go down on other chicks. 45,000 people showing up and basically saying ‘we don’t care if she’s gay’ seems like a very frightening message.

    At any rate, last night would have been a lovely night for an outdoor concert.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    “45,000 people showing up and basically saying ‘we don’t care if she’s gay’ seems like a very frightening message.”

    Seems like a pretty sane message.

  • hardyandtiny

    postal code is not korea way

  • Creo69

    If I have said it once I will say it a thousand times. Most Koreans don’t care who is sleeping with who. The protestors were very, very small in number and 45,000 Koreans paid to see her perform. Many of you, Koreans included, simply don’t have the slightest grasp on the issue of homosexuality…or even human sexuality in Korea. Open your eyes and simply look around you. Why the hell are there so many “love motels” in a culture that is supposed to be sooooo sexually repressed and conservative according to many on this blog. And, love motels are only the surface of the sexual playground that exists in this country for both straights and gays.

  • http://dok.do/4aVK41 Year of the Dragon

    zip code is not korea way either.

    just like ATM is not korea way either.

  • Creo69

    This moron even bought a ticket for Lady Gaga’s performance even though he was protesting.

    http://www.cinemablend.com/pop/Lady-Gaga-South-Korean-Concert-Moves-Forward-Despite-Protests-41896.html

  • http://dok.do/4aVK41 Year of the Dragon

    Born This Way Foundation, a non-profit organization launched by Gaga, focuses on youth empowerment and issues like self-confidence, well-being, anti-bullying, mentoring, and career development.

    “My mother and I have initiated a passion project. We call it the Born This Way Foundation,” Gaga said in a statement about the foundation, which takes its name from the 2011 single and album. “Together we hope to establish a standard of Bravery and Kindness, as well as a community worldwide that protects and nurtures others in the face of bullying and abandonment.”

    Better than the “Angry bird” ant-bullying campaign the Korean police tried to launch.

    For a 26y.o. lady who has already raked in 26 million dollars and donates heaps to charity – Koreans could learn from her.

  • keith

    I don’t know much about Lady Gaga, but my thoughts are this:

    1) if her foundation does what YOTD says that’s wonderful
    2) her music is bland, but some people like bland music
    3) music-entertainment should ‘challenge’ people, all the best of it does
    4) Kristians are weird, we’ve all seen some of them behaving in very strange ways
    5) if someone is gay, it’s really none of anyones’ bloody business

    If she is honest about her sexuality it’s not a problem, she won’t make people become homosexual . Asking the question ‘why are you gay?’ is just as stupid as asking the question ‘why are you straight?’

    People are either straight, gay or bi. I don’t think they really have any choice about it. If Gaga entertains people (even though I don’t like her music and have no pro gay or anti gay concerns) then it’s all fine.

    I don’t go knocking on people’s doors trying to convince them of my philosophy about the world. I find those kinds of people very obnoxious indeed, and if they knock on my door I’m usually a little bit rude to them.

  • YangachiBastardo

    20만원 and 30만원 for a totally new vineyard with no established reputation? Freakin’ amazing. This guy must think Koreans are idiots or something

    Wine is in a major bubble where lots of producers live by the fabled PT Barnum rule

  • Q

    Do any animal righters protest against meat dress of Ms. Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta?

  • Understanding Korea, Koreans

    Q

    Reading your own link will answer your question.

  • Q

    Were any animal righters’ protests at the Gaga concert in Seoul?

  • http://askakorean.blogspot.com thekorean

    Wine is in a major bubble where lots of producers live by the fabled PT Barnum rule

    Indeed it is. My wife has been learning more about the family business (wine & spirits store,) and it has been fascinating to learn the innards of the business. In the U.S., the best deals right now are Portuguese wines — compares favorably to good Tempernillos at excellent price point. Usually no more than $9 a bottle for a decent kind, $12 a bottle for a pretty good kind.

  • df

    Let’s go all the way!

    http://bumwine.com/

  • dogbertt

    T.G.I. Friday’s adds Korean Steak Tacos to its menu:

    http://gothamist.com/2012/04/26/tgi_fridays_kills_the_korean_taco_t.php

  • df

    Bulgogi tacos and Pagan Pink Ripple gone forever Help!

  • Cloud

    #4 Just. Wow.

  • yeniyeni

    I thought this is one of the well balanced expat blogs, but the patronizing comments of some people are just pathetic :( It seems so easy to generalize all Koreans and condemn them.

  • RolyPoly
  • keyinjpop

    Hello, first time commenting on here.
    The LA Times have posted this article on K-pop in America.
    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-ca-kpop-20120429,0,5813160.story?track=icymi
    And yes, I am taking this information with a grain of salt.

  • RolyPoly
  • http://dok.do/4aVK41 Year of the Dragon

    SHAME on you Roly!!

    as our dedicated Christian preacher – this is what you should be listening to –
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi0yLRX4d2M

  • http://dok.do/4aVK41 Year of the Dragon

    Maybe this one is more appropriate for you -
    http://www.myspace.com/music/player?sid=9393440&ac=now

  • http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

    Nah, this one is for RolyPoly. You’re welcome!

  • aaronm

    To paraphrase the words of retiring Australian Greens leader, Senator Bob Brown’s (of whom I’m not usually a fan) words to opposition leader (and conservative Catholic), Tony Abbott, and point them at our resident believer in invisible and ancient sky friends and host to other mental illnesses: If you’re so concerned about Lady Gaga exhorting young un’s to stick their dingles up other laddies’ poopers, should you not be concerned also with similar actions perpetuated by your religious fellow travelers?

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    Today would have been great for a bike ride, but I had other duties to attend to . . . like drinking a few fine beers at the Taphouse around lunchtime before returning home to edit a graduate student’s perplexing paper on teaching English as a foreign language.

    She got the foreign part right . . .

    Jeffery Hodges

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  • http://dok.do/4aVK41 Year of the Dragon

    how much did she plagiarise / plagiarize ?

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    She seems not to have. I did check. I’ve learned to do so . . .

    Jeffery Hodges

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  • brier

    Jr. and I enjoyed this fine weather today with him having a splash at the reflecting pool Yeouido Hangung park. Jr has got his mum’s skin, but I ended up with a sunburn. Later enjoyed the sunset/twilight from my veranda with a few Carlsbers. Overall, this weekend’s weather has been delightful.

  • Jieun K

    Jr. and I enjoyed this fine weather today. . .

    Speaking of juniors, the Marmot’s Hole has actual and potential dads, young and old, who will certainly appreciate this dad’s sweet effort to record his kids’ growth on video.

    Check out Nunzio’s World.

  • Anonymous_Joe

    #39 Year of the Dragon: how much did she plagiarise / plagiarize ?”

    I taught at a university and am stunned by the level of academic fraud and dishonesty that I saw. What are others’ observations and estimations?

    How serious a problem is academic fraud among undergraduate students in Korea?

    How serious is academic fraud and dishonesty with the teaching staff/professors?

    How serious is academic fraud and dishonesty with administration?

    Does anyone else here have first-hand experience or observations?

    Is it simply a (makes air quotation marks with fingers) “cultural difference”?

  • are6729

    dokdo wine? interesting…

    and LOL at the Christians

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    Anon Joe, just go to my blog and search “plagiarism” . . .

    Jeffery Hodges

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  • Q

    The Dokdo wine sounds like a scam. Tokyo Metropolitan governor Ishihara is raising fund for Senkaku island. It might be more profitable to sell Senkaku wine to wealthy Japanese citizens promoting the product with Ishihara ads on the label.

  • Wedge

    “Kim Tae-geun, the Korean distributor, said he will donate all of the proceeds to non-profit organizations that work to advertise Korea’s territorial claim to Dokdo overseas.” I would bet this does not exceed W5000 per bottle. Koreans swindling Koreans over patriotic issues is a time-honored tradition.

  • Q
  • αβγδε

    Christianity is on the decline, even among Koreans, and even among Korean Americans.

    It’s great culture for Koreans and KAs especially who need to commune with other KAs, who enjoy the organization of activities and such – choir, retreats, Bible study. But, it’s Christianity. It’s a religion. It’s ancient. It’s false. This last aspect is what’s causing it to decline as Koreans become more spiritually conscious of themselves and their humanities and the fact that such things stand independent of any fable about Jews and disciples. It’s hard to imagine, however, how such a social void is going to be filled.

    The pitiable thing is, as Christianity declines, all those droves of Koreans- DROVES- who leaped off the cliff to become pastors are going to suffer for it. The loss of religion entails the loss of income for many a kyopo.

    A few Koreans may have had their way with Lady Gaga’s concert, but I think that reveals more about Korea’s openness to censorship and appeasement to protest, than it does to its commitment to any single religion.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    αβγδε, I’d say it’s peaked but I don’t see it declining very quickly very soon. I also don’t see many liberal versions of Koristianity popping up.

  • R. Elgin

    Though there are some really fine people in some churches here, there is a large number of protestant-style churches that double as a kind of mini-chaebol of influence peddling, tax-dodging and often have little to do with any message of Christ.

    Lady Kaka is a terrible parody of Grace Jones, Eartha Kitt, Kylie Minoque, etc, a lousy dancer and singer who is a pastiche of fashion that is carefully put together by handlers. Koreans should avoid that kind of crap and try something better. Her arrangements suck as well. When I hear of her, I can only wonder how many flavors does bad come in.

  • Jashin Densetsu

    General George S. Patton was assassinated to silence his criticism of allied war leaders claims new book http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3869117/General-George-S.-Patton-was-assassinated-to-silence-his-criticism-of-allied-war-leaders-claims-new-book.html

    The newly unearthed diaries of a colourful assassin for the wartime Office of Strategic Services (OSS), the forerunner of the CIA, reveal that American spy chiefs wanted Patton dead because he was threatening to expose allied collusion with the Russians that cost American lives.

    The death of General Patton in December 1945, is one of the enduring mysteries of the war era. Although he had suffered serious injuries in a car crash in Manheim, he was thought to be recovering and was on the verge of flying home.

    But after a decade-long investigation, military historian Robert Wilcox claims that OSS head General “Wild Bill” Donovan ordered a highly decorated marksman called Douglas Bazata to silence Patton, who gloried in the nickname “Old Blood and Guts”.

    His book, “Target Patton”, contains interviews with Mr Bazata, who died in 1999, and extracts from his diaries, detailing how he staged the car crash by getting a troop truck to plough into Patton’s Cadillac and then shot the general with a low-velocity projectile, which broke his neck while his fellow passengers escaped without a scratch.

    Mr Bazata also suggested that when Patton began to recover from his injuries, US officials turned a blind eye as agents of the NKVD, the forerunner of the KGB, poisoned the general.

    Mr Wilcox told The Sunday Telegraph that when he spoke to Mr Bazata: “He was struggling with himself, all these killings he had done. He confessed to me that he had caused the accident, that he was ordered to do so by Wild Bill Donovan.

    “Donovan told him: ‘We’ve got a terrible situation with this great patriot, he’s out of control and we must save him from himself and from ruining everything the allies have done.’ I believe Douglas Bazata. He’s a sterling guy.”

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    Lady Kaka is a terrible parody of Grace Jones, Eartha Kitt, Kylie Minoque, etc, a lousy dancer and singer who is a pastiche of fashion that is carefully put together by handlers. Koreans should avoid that kind of crap and try something better. Her arrangements suck as well. When I hear of her, I can only wonder how many flavors does bad come in.

    in other. Words, she fits right in to the K-pop miasma

  • αβγδε

    Yu Bum Suk,

    If it’s peaked, then let’s consider my post a prediction. Just one step ahead of its time. ;)

    ~~

    I like Gaga and enjoy a few of her older songs when it seemed Gaga was pushing a coherent, unique vision of her own. But as a composer, song writer, and artist, she’s become wayyy too self-indulgent for her own good. She’s beyond “pomo” pop. Like wankery for its own sake on top of wankery. And when she does tone it down, her music becomes bland and derivative (her ballad songs sound like rips of songs from the 80s and 90s) and all of that without being cheeky enough to be self-vindicating.

  • aaronm

    Gaga is just rehashed Madonna, plain and simple.

  • RolyPoly

    αβγδε,
    Keep smoking that stuff and drown in “porno” pop.

    See where you wind up in ten years.

  • RolyPoly

    I liked Madonna when she sang “Like a virgin” and “Holiday”. However, after that she had nothing to show. So, she went porno.

    Garbage stuff. Gaga has nothing to start. So, she starts with porno.

    Korean churches are stronger than ever. Within a couple of decades, Korea will represent Protestantism. Period. And, the most blessed nation on earth.

  • http://dok.do/4aVK41 Year of the Dragon

    Some Koreans are trying to raise money on “Kickstart” to make a documentary about North Koreans living in South Korea.

    They have raised $270 so far – which is a LOT less than the Koreans who have raised $2,755 to do some “white wave” dance ??

    http://www.kickstarter.com/

  • http://dok.do/4aVK41 Year of the Dragon

    I took this photo at my Jamsil bus stop this morning.

    I thought it was funny because of what the sign says.

    Maybe if this happened less often, the rat/mice/etc problem around the bus stop would cease.

  • http://dok.do/4aVK41 Year of the Dragon

    forgot to paste the link – http://tiny.cc/mrckdw (photo)

  • jk6411

    @#55,

    I wonder what kind of music Sperwer listens to..

  • yeniyeni

    OK. It’ll be useless to post a comment on this old post, but there’s something I want to address here. You can discuss everything, you can argue whatever you want. But as all of you write about Korea and Koreans like some experts, do you think you really sound reasonable and intelligent? For one thing, there are many blogs run by Korean expats in other countries and I love to read some of them. But the topics they write on are usually their own adaptation in the new societies, their own experiences, thoughts and impressions, and the new discoveries against their old assumptions, etc. They rarely write on and judge the whole nation, and if someone writes, for example, Americans are like this and that, then he/she has to face a whole lot commentators who start to argue againet him/her. And imagine if a Korean expat in the US ran his blog, visiting every ancient places and taking pictures of them to post, reading the selected news articles, some of which are even barely known to the natives themselves, discussing American people, their culture and politics, etc. based on the knowledge from the articles, while he barely communicated with the natives, living like an untouchable judge kind of, complaining about the lack of news articles kindly written in Korean, worrying about the potential anti-Korean sentiments ahead of the presidential election. Conceivable? And don’t you know you bring up the Dokdo issue even more often than any other Korean does? Do you really think all Koreans think about is just that? Do you really talk with them? So many expats here seem to act as if they were Isabella Bird Bishop kind of, but they are just worse than her. Is it that much satisfying to dig out things to laugh at, look down the whole culture, even comparing Kpop with no other than Frank Zappa? The last thing is not so worth mentioning, but I bet most of you never try to judge it in the context of the real pop genre or to find out some gems out of the whole Kpop scene. But still, you write on Korea like experts without hesitation.
    The other day, I found several foreigners sitting opposite me in the subway carriage and they seemed to meet together after a long time, talking very loud and drinking beer. I felt sorry and at the same time happy for them because I thought they probably didn’t have many English-speaking friends to talk with here. I tried not to look at them in order not to disturb, and every other passenger in the carriage also did so.
    So please show even a little bit of respect for this country and people. And I’m not sure that you know when I find out some careless, thoughtless bloggers and commentators are no other than ‘teachers’ themselves, it feels shocking more than disappointing.

  • http://dok.do/4aVK41 Year of the Dragon

    I found several foreigners sitting opposite me in the subway carriage and they seemed to meet together after a long time, talking very loud and drinking beer.

    what angels! the didn’t smoke on the subway or throw their beer over Korean grandfathers did they?

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  • Anonymous_Joe

    #64 yeniyeni: “And don’t you know you bring up the Dokdo issue even more often than any other Korean does?”

    I read several articles about Dokdo and the East Sea each week in the Chosun Ilbo.

  • Charles Tilly
  • tommyboy123

    What a patriot this dentist is. Is he gonna set aside the profits to help the dokdo movement? Just like how the profits from all those 9/11 tshirts and pins went towards the victims?

  • Jashin Densetsu

    Breitbart’s coroner poisoned to death?
    Police probe mysterious demise of L.A. medical examiner http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/breitbarts-coroner-poisoned-to-death/

    Medical examiners in Los Angeles are investigating the possible poisoning death of one of their own officials who may have worked on the case of Andrew Breitbart, the conservative firebrand who died March 1, the same day Sheriff Joe Arpaio announced probable cause for forgery in President Obama’s birth certificate.

    Michael Cormier, a respected forensic technician for the Los Angeles County Coroner died under suspicious circumstances at his North Hollywood home April 20, the same day Breitbart’s cause of death was finally made public.

    “There are mysterious circumstances surrounding his death,” said Elizabeth Espinosa, a news reporter for KTLA-TV. “We’re told detectives are looking into the possibility that he was poisoned by arsenic.”

  • Q

    US government might consider appointing Lady Gaga to an advertising ambassador of beef (소고기 홍보대사). Gaga could wear beef dress everywhere promoting more beef consumption.

  • Mryouknowwho

    It happened again. ‘개 매달고 운전’

    http://news.sbs.co.kr/section_news/news_read.jsp?news_id=N1001173300

  • Robin Hedge

    yeniyeni, please check back in a day and you will find my response to your comment, for what it is worth.

  • Mryouknowwho

    http://news.nate.com/view/20120501n16459

    This article is actually translated from English, but the comments are funny. The story is about a guy who was kicked in the head several times during a robbery and ended up becoming a mathematical savant.

    Comments:

    “갑자기 엄마가 망치를 찾기 시작하는데…”
    “Suddenly mother has begun looking for a hammer.”

    “거 강도 이름이 뭐요?”
    “What’s the robber’s name?”

    “우리집 비밀번호는 2393 언제든지 찾아와”
    “Our house’s entrance code is 2393, come whenever”

    “그 강도 어딨소 ? 백만원줄게 한대만 때려주소 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ”
    “Where is the robber? I’ll give him 1 million won to just hit me once. lol”

    “페노메논”
    “Phenomenon”

    “수학선생님께서 내 머리를 때리던 이유가 있었어 ”
    “My math teacher had a reason for hitting my head”

    “ㅋㅋㅋㅋ부럽다…..망치는 어디에 때려야 하는지”
    “lol I’m jealous… where do I have to hit the hammer”

  • Jashin Densetsu

    Ron Paul Won Minnesota & Washington State http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQMtlah4Iec

  • SeoulFinn

    Phones should be unlocked now, right?

    Few weeks ago I tried to use my prepaid SIM card (SKTelecom, 3G) with my Nokia e7. At that time the phone gave me an error message “SIM card/IMEI failed to register” or something like that. But that was only expected and that was then.

    Today I tried again and now I can make and receive calls! *Yay!* I can also send text messages, but naturally not in Korean, as the device doesn’t support hangeul. I can live with that for the rest of my stay.

    Here’s the problem, oh gadget gurus of MH. I can send basic text messages but can’t receive them. I’d suppose messages from and to the phone go through the same route. Am I mistaken? I’d really like to use Nokia over that crappy and ancient Cyon POS without wifi and big screen. Help!

  • Jieun K

    Greatest Opening to a forthcoming weekend.

  • http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

    Just watched a really, really good debate. Well worth checking out, especially if you’re a Hitchens fan and have followed the endless back-and-forth over the Iraq wars. This time he schools some socialists. Good stuff.

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