Open Thread #238

by Robert Koehler on April 14, 2012

in Open Thread

Have a good weekend, folks.

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1 dogbertt April 14, 2012 at 11:18 am

First, goddamnit!

2 Year of the Dragon April 14, 2012 at 11:42 am

congratulations!

3 Year of the Dragon April 14, 2012 at 11:46 am

In 2003, a North Korean defector made a statement that more than 90% of the parts used by North Korea to construct its missiles were brought from Japan aboard the ship Mangyongbong-92 funded by the General Association of Korean Residents in Japan.

4 Year of the Dragon April 14, 2012 at 11:46 am

I know you all knew that, but was just reminding you of who helped NK with their missile yesterday.

5 Year of the Dragon April 14, 2012 at 11:48 am

What i want to know is was the South Korean National Election Commission successful in preventing Chongryon residents from voting in the 2012 South Korean Presidential Election? After all, their allegiance is to NK.

6 Creo69 April 14, 2012 at 1:17 pm

Girl Power! Another subway episode…my the times they are a changing.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=ccXmqN568Ok

7 Sperwer April 14, 2012 at 1:57 pm

@5 It didn’t happen yet.

8 jefferyhodges April 14, 2012 at 1:59 pm

“First, goddamnit!”

Dogbertt, shouldn’t that be “First goddam nit!”?

Anyway, you have my sympathy — lice are tough to get rid of.

Try kerosene, a home remedy for everything that ails or plagues you . . .

Jeffery Hodges

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9 Year of the Dragon April 14, 2012 at 2:52 pm

and then please light a cigg after you have doused yourself.

10 yuna April 14, 2012 at 2:59 pm

In checking out who the latest squeeze of Prince Harry’s is, I came across this horrendous video and for the first time realized the second rate, reverse-influence of K-pop.

They remind me of at least two Korean groups in the melody and the dance moves, a little too closely.

Yes, times, they are changing. No wonder Korean pop is popular, look at those snivelling toddlers with their awful youtube moves.

11 Sperwer April 14, 2012 at 3:00 pm
12 fanwarrior April 14, 2012 at 3:45 pm

#10 gotta say that is pretty darn close to several different Kpop videos I’ve seen. Any idea if they hired a korean choreographer or something?
The key thing to figure out here is where is the disconnect?
I think it’s the slightly trailer park-esque image they’re giving off.

The kpop groups tend to come off with a cleaner look. Much more polished, usually either pushing cute or sexy, but not so much trashy as they’ve got going on there.

13 Year of the Dragon April 14, 2012 at 3:52 pm

But then I don’t think that “The Sats” had to give up years of their lives being trained everyday by companies such as BORN Startraining Center.

It’s probably just a hobby for them.

14 jkitchstk April 14, 2012 at 4:01 pm

I go home next week and I’m sure some people/employers may ask me whether I know or to prove I know how to speak Korean so I’ve been practicing the following phrase “Women should be beaten at least once every three days,” / “여성이 삼일 적어도 매주 한 번씩 구타한다”
And,
“Dried fish and women both are better after they are beaten.” / “말린 생선과 여성들이 구타 후에 모두 좋다. ”

Any tips on how to say the above phrases in an easier way?

15 keith April 14, 2012 at 4:33 pm

Jeffrey or Robert N, up for a bike ride tomorrow? The weather forecast seems to be perfect for a little trip. I suggest starting off near WCS Mapo and going as far west as possible on the bike path. Once you get towards Goyang city on the excellent Han River cycle paths it gets very interesting. Nice nature, good views and very eccentric Koreans doing weird stuff! If anyone wants to join me I’ll be around the 700 yacht club at about 3 pm for a small pre cycling beer.

I’ll be doing that tomorrow, making a nice packed lunch and taking my camera.

16 yuna April 14, 2012 at 4:44 pm

#14 Doesn’t make sense what you’ve written in terms of the choice of vocab and grammar – I would stick to trying to form a sentence at a basic level.

17 YangachiBastardo April 14, 2012 at 7:06 pm

In checking out who the latest squeeze of Prince Harry’s is, I came across this horrendous video and for the first time realized the second rate, reverse-influence of K-pop.

They remind me of at least two Korean groups in the melody and the dance moves, a little too closely

They’re ready to be hired by JYP to be Wonder Girls nemesis in their next movie

18 slim April 14, 2012 at 9:22 pm

There is nothing in K-pop that wasn’t done in the 1990s in Europe and elsewhere. K-pop is shinier but more sterile than what’s going on in the British video.

19 jefferyhodges April 14, 2012 at 9:39 pm

Keith, I am tempted, but unfortunately, I have several editing deadlines to meet tomorrow (Sunday). Next weekend is a long weekend for me (Friday through Tuesday), however, and even though I’ll be grading midterms, I want to take time off for a ride. Any interest in my part of town, i.e., the Jungnang area? Either Saturday after 10 or Sunday after 12. Others also interested?

Jeffery Hodges

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20 yuna April 14, 2012 at 9:41 pm

#18 I wouldn’t say “nothing”. I think the emphasis on the synchronized dance move by 5 girls is definitely a contribution/influence, “organic” or not. At least in the mainstream music – Spice Girls/AllSaints even the Pussycat Dolls did not quite have the K pop feel that this video has, maybe if we are thinking as far back as 50′s I might say yes, the influence is there.

#17 I was thinking more of Girls Generation for the tune and the Brown Eyed Girls for that stupid arms folded across the chest movement.

21 hoju_saram April 14, 2012 at 9:54 pm
22 jefferyhodges April 14, 2012 at 10:05 pm

So they’re going to brand America . . .

And to think . . . we used to be a maverick.

Jeffery Hodges

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23 YangachiBastardo April 14, 2012 at 10:18 pm

Speaking of the devil…are we going to have a soon-to-pop k-pop bubble ?

http://www.allkpop.com/2012/04/4minute-turns-the-volume-up-on-music-core

100k euros for a video seems a bit excessive to me

(the aforementioned video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsWl1–Niyg&ob=av2e)

1 year of listed trading for SM Entertainment:

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/charts/charts.asp?ticker=041510:KS

YG post-IPO
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/122870:KS

i won’t make any comment on it for, believe it or not business reasons…let’s put this way, they’re the quintessential growth stocks, wonder how they will weather the next risk-off phase

24 Year of the Dragon April 14, 2012 at 10:41 pm

“Interest in America is high … but there has been the perception that ‘America isn’t interested in me so I won’t go’. ‘Go away’ was the message we were sending.”

Fuck Yeah! That’s the message I got from people such as Dogbert and Hamel..

I would rather go to India, Europe or the Philippines to spend my money…

25 Liz April 14, 2012 at 11:34 pm

Korean pop singer Chae Yeon committed suicide.

http://news.heraldm.com/view.php?ud=20120414000042&md=20120414104202

26 Liz April 14, 2012 at 11:36 pm

Sorry. Apparently a rumor on Chinese internet???

27 slim April 14, 2012 at 11:37 pm

“‘America isn’t interested in me so I won’t go’.”

As an American, I want to officially register my undying uninterest in the travel preferences of commenter 2,3,4,5,9,13,23, if you get my drift.

28 jk6411 April 15, 2012 at 12:42 am

jkitchstk @#14,

Those phrases are too difficult.
Just say this: “제 엉덩이를 차주세요.”

29 dogbertt April 15, 2012 at 12:56 am

“Interest in America is high … but there has been the perception that ‘America isn’t interested in me so I won’t go’. ‘Go away’ was the message we were sending.”

Fuck Yeah! That’s the message I got from people such as Dogbert and Hamel..

I would rather go to India, Europe or the Philippines to spend my money…

Yet, you went to Korea to spend it.

Hey, don’t get me wrong — I love the U.S., but if I could live in, say, Fremantle, I’d probably be on the next flight.

30 YangachiBastardo April 15, 2012 at 1:17 am

I’m ok with moving to any place where my son can have a future

31 dogbertt April 15, 2012 at 1:24 am

Where do you think that is?

What are your criteria for that?

What place will stay unchanged to that degree over the next 20 or so years?

Past results do not predict future performance.

32 RolyPoly April 15, 2012 at 8:37 am

Wouldn’t it be great that the US shot down the NK rocket using an unknown technology? That would be so cool.

Basically people have to learn science and technology. People who do not know die.

NKs die.

33 Q April 15, 2012 at 8:56 am

스낵남
on Korean media.

John Wayne spanked his wife with coal shovel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T12-qzPW9Gg

34 Jashin Densetsu April 15, 2012 at 10:28 am

Obama Lawyer Admits Forgery but disregards “image” as Indication of Obama’s Ineligibility Damage Control http://www.teapartytribune.com/2012/04/13/obama-lawyer-admits-forgery-but-disregards-image-as-indication-of-obamas-ineligibility-damage-control/

“Taking an audacious and shocking angle against the constitutional eligibility mandate, Obama’s lawyer, Alexandra Hill, admitted that the image of Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery and made the absurd claim that, therefore, it cannot be used as evidence to confirm his lack of natural born citizenship status. Therefore, she argued, it is “irrelevant to his placement on the ballot”.

Hill went on to contort reasoning by implying that Obama needs only invoke his political popularity, not legal qualifications, in order to be a candidate.”

35 df April 15, 2012 at 10:36 am

The Great Race (1965) Saloon Fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqoBjy6W9HA&fmt=22

36 shiweibo April 15, 2012 at 10:44 am

^^^^ But wasn’t his mother American….?

37 pawikirogii 石鵝 April 15, 2012 at 10:55 am

regarding the british video: trailer park version of hi class tiara. i understand why slim feels so theatened.

38 Robert Koehler April 15, 2012 at 11:55 am

Liz: Oh, those wacky ChInese netizens…

39 hamel April 15, 2012 at 12:05 pm

I received an email from a Korean film producer, and he asked me to share it with freinds and acquaintances, so here goes:

It was nice to speak to you on the phone yesterday.
As I briefly explained to you, I produced a documentary film “Planet of Snail”

You can find a brief information about the film at the links below;
http://www.screendaily.com/reviews/the-latest/planet-of-snail/5035159.article
http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononhollywood/cinema-guild-takes-planet-of-snail-documentary-looks-at-world-without-sound-sight

The film has been in theater for almost 4 weeks now and we thought it would be good to present this film to non-Korean audience in Seoul.
This 87min-long film will be subtitled in English and you can watch it at Cine Code Sonje(시네코드 선재) at 8pm on 18th(Wed) Apr.
I will be very thankful if you kindly share this information with your friends and hope to see you at the theater.
The director of the film will attend the screening for Q&A with audience.

40 jefferyhodges April 15, 2012 at 12:37 pm

Keith, a slight correction. Next Sunday (April 22), I can take a bike trip early if people are interested, as early as 9:00 a.m.

Jeffery Hodges

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41 hoju_saram April 15, 2012 at 12:50 pm

“Interest in America is high … but there has been the perception that ‘America isn’t interested in me so I won’t go’. ‘Go away’ was the message we were sending.”

Fuck Yeah! That’s the message I got from people such as Dogbert and Hamel..

I would rather go to India, Europe or the Philippines to spend my money…

That’s not the message I received when I was there; on the contrary, I found Americans a particularly welcoming and friendly bunch. It’s also affordable, has an incredible natural environment, and is a hell of a lot of fun (from my hazy young-20s recollections).

Not that I’d discourage a jaunt to Europe or India either – both amazing in their own way.

42 dww April 15, 2012 at 1:42 pm

Obama’s lawyer, Alexandra Hill, admitted that the image of Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery and made the absurd claim that, therefore, it cannot be used as evidence to confirm his lack of natural born citizenship status.

Except for one tiny problem. At no point during the hearing did she make the claim that it was a forgery. Not once. Nothing that she said during the New Jersey Ballot Challenge could be even remotely interpreted as to suggest that it was a forgery. Both the ruling and video of the sessions are online and you can see for yourself.

43 Year of the Dragon April 15, 2012 at 1:55 pm

What did JongUn have to say about the failed missile?

……”Soldiers are more important than rockets and artillery”.

“The era when nuclear arms could be used to threaten NK was forever over’’.

“Strengthen the country’s military first policy by placing the ‘first, second and third’ priorities on military might”.

“NK had built a mighty military capable of both offence and defence in any type of modern warfare”.

‘‘Superiority in military technology is no longer monopolised by imperialists,’’

“Let’s go on for our final victory!” he said.

(He didn’t say it in English of course).

44 Year of the Dragon April 15, 2012 at 1:56 pm

What final victory is he talking about?

45 Robert Koehler April 15, 2012 at 2:01 pm

That’s not the message I received when I was there; on the contrary, I found Americans a particularly welcoming and friendly bunch. It’s also affordable, has an incredible natural environment, and is a hell of a lot of fun (from my hazy young-20s recollections).

And Aussie accents go over well there.

46 bumfromkorea April 15, 2012 at 2:17 pm

“Interest in America is high … but there has been the perception that ‘America isn’t interested in me so I won’t go’. ‘Go away’ was the message we were sending.”

It would really depend on *where* in America you’d be in. Even in the Phoenix Metropolitan Area, the attitudes towards foreigners (and, of course, perceived foreigners like me) vary quite a bit. I’d feel perfectly welcomed and accepted (… most of the time) in Tempe, Scottsdale, Phoenix, Ahwatukee, and West Mesa… but it will be a cold day in hell before I spend more than a day in Glendale, Avondale, Sun City, Chandler, Gilbert, and (ugh…) East Mesa.

I mean, this is the area where they called the cops on a group of people because they were in a restaurant talking in a foreign language. And the cops actually responded to that call came and tried to arrest them. That’s one group of pissed off Filipino tourists who will never visit this heavily tourism-dependent state again.

I don’t think America itself is sending that kind of messages, but certain sections of America definitely are. And unfortunately, those sections are increasing in number.

47 Jashin Densetsu April 15, 2012 at 2:20 pm

42

she admitted it was a forgery bro. http://www.teapartytribune.com/2012/04/11/nj-ballot-access-challenge-hearing-update/

“After calling to the witness stand Mr. Moran and Mr. Purpura, who gave testimony as to why they brought the ballot challenge, and introducing documents showing there is a question as to Mr. Obama’s identity, I called Brian Wilcox to testify as an internet image expert. Mr. Wilcox was going to testify on how the Obama April 27, 2011, long-form birth certificate has been altered and manipulated either by computer software or by a human or both, producing a forged documents, and that since the image is not reliable, we need to see the original paper version. Obama’s lawyer objected to my proffered testimony. I then offered that I would not need to have Mr. Wilcox testify, provided that Obama stipulated that the internet image of his birth certificate could not be used as evidence by either Judge Masin or the New Jersey Secretary of States and that he presented to the court or the Secretary of State no other evidence of his identity or place of birth. Judge Masin also asked Obama’s attorney whether she would so stipulate. She did so stipulate, agreeing that both the court and the Secretary of State cannot rely on the internet birth certificate as evidence of Obama’s place of birth and that Obama has produced no other evidence to the court regarding his place of birth. She also argued that Obama has no legal obligation to produce any such evidence to get on the primary ballot. “

48 SomeguyinKorea April 15, 2012 at 2:43 pm

I don’t know if this has been discussed here before, but I just read that Kim Dong Hwa’s The Color of Earth is one of the most contested books in the US (basically, the books on school library shelves that are most targeted by a small minority of Christians who have nothing better to do than to try to impose their beliefs onto others). What’s got them upset is actually pretty tame. I read it was being contested for its “graphic depiction of sexual education”, but that’s grossly misleading. The only thing graphic about it is that it’s a graphics novel:

http://us.macmillan.com/book.aspx?isbn=9781596434585

49 jefferyhodges April 15, 2012 at 3:39 pm

Hey JD (#47), those aren’t forgeries, Bro. Obama himself is a digital manipulation, Bro, just like you. Any digital birth certificate is valid, Bro, when you’re merely digital.

Jeffery Hodges

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50 SomeguyinKorea April 15, 2012 at 5:52 pm

#34,

That nonsense again?

It’s quite simple. He’s the president, and so unless he quits or he’s impeached, he’s automatically up for election. Those are the rules.

51 Jashin Densetsu April 15, 2012 at 6:20 pm

yeah it’s simple alright bro. the Constitution is the supreme law of the land and it says in Article II, Section 1 that the President must be a natural born citizen. those are the rules bro.

52 SomeguyinKorea April 15, 2012 at 7:07 pm

Prove that he wasn’t born in the US.

53 keith April 15, 2012 at 8:30 pm

Absolutely perfect weather for a bike ride today. Not too hot, not too cold, a refreshing breeze, but not windy. It was lovely, I’d have stayed out longer, but hunger and marinating pork ribs made me get home. Pork ribs in the slow cooker are smelling divine.

54 Brendon Carr April 15, 2012 at 8:49 pm

She did so stipulate, agreeing that both the court and the Secretary of State cannot rely on the internet birth certificate as evidence of Obama’s place of birth and that Obama has produced no other evidence to the court regarding his place of birth.

You’re totally misinterpreting what was reported to have been said, bro. What this says is that the attorney says the court should not rely on an image floating around on the Internet as evidence, not that the image floating around on the Internet is admittedly fake. Good grief!

And besides, did you see the photograph of that attorney? She’s 12 years old. Even if she did admit what you said she admits, I’m inclined to chalk it up to incompetence as a lawyer. For the life of me I can’t understand why that kid was the President’s spokesperson in court. It’s just bonkers that someone more experienced wasn’t there.

55 SomeguyinKorea April 15, 2012 at 9:07 pm

“You’re totally misinterpreting what was reported to have been said, bro. What this says is that the attorney says the court should not rely on an image floating around on the Internet as evidence, not that the image floating around on the Internet is admittedly fake. Good grief!”

Yes, I had noticed that he was stretching the truth. In any case, it’s quite ironic that the lawyer would seek her to make such an admission to further fuel speculation about Obama’s birth certificate since every time Birthers release “evidence” of Obama not being born in the US on the internet, they are quickly proven to be hoaxes.

“And besides, did you see the photograph of that attorney? She’s 12 years old. Even if she did admit what you said she admits, I’m inclined to chalk it up to incompetence as a lawyer. For the life of me I can’t understand why that kid was the President’s spokesperson in court. It’s just bonkers that someone more experienced wasn’t there.”

Yes, I had noticed that too, but I thought they had dug up her old high school picture.

56 Sonagi April 15, 2012 at 10:26 pm

The President picked a Chicago basketball player chum who’s dumb as a bag of rocks to be Education Secretary.

57 The Sanity Inspector April 16, 2012 at 7:21 am

Aggregator’s still gone? Phooey! Guess I’ll have to surf the blogroll more diligently then.

58 Year of the Dragon April 16, 2012 at 8:49 am

Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between “December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986.”

Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates: “If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.”

Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawaii being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t matter *after* . In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18 in Hawaii. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen.

As aforementioned, she was a young college student at the time and was not. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother would have needed to have waited to have him as the only U.S. Citizen parent. Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office.

59 SomeguyinKorea April 16, 2012 at 9:43 am

“Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between “December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986.” ”

You’re embarrassing yourself.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

60 SomeguyinKorea April 16, 2012 at 9:48 am

PS. What the Birthers are really saying is that prior to February 3, 1870, Obama wouldn’t have even been able to vote.

61 RolyPoly April 16, 2012 at 10:03 am

Jashin Densetsu and Year of the Dragon,
Are you guys born yesterday? Why are you wasting our time?

IT DOES NOT MATTER.

Obama is in. Unless you can produce a dress with President’s sperms, the incumbent president can say anything and get away with it.

Too late (you guys should have done this four years ago) and too little (show the evidence that can stand up in the court and have one Republican senator challenge it).

Otherwise, you are wasting our time.

62 RolyPoly April 16, 2012 at 10:06 am

Are you guys the last of Boy scout?

The first ability for a president, or any politician for that matter, is to lie and lie well.

That is why most politicians graduate law school.

63 Jashin Densetsu April 16, 2012 at 10:44 am

What this says is that the attorney says the court should not rely on an image floating around on the Internet as evidence

exactly bro. it’s not good enough for court. we shouldn’t rely on it either.

64 Jashin Densetsu April 16, 2012 at 10:52 am

Ron Paul Only Candidate Able to Defeat Obama in New Poll

Edges out Obama while Romney, suffering from Obama’s enthusiasm gap, at best ties Obama http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/04/12/ron-paul-only-candidate-able-to-defeat-obama-in-new-poll/

2012 Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul again polls better against President Barack Obama in a head-to-head matchup than establishment-choice moderate Mitt Romney, according to a poll released today (4/12/12) from Rasmussen.

The poll notes that in a general election matchup, the 12-term Congressman from Texas edges out Obama by 1 percentage point, 44 to 43 percent. The survey also notes that in a hypothetical 2012 head-to-head, Obama and Romney are tied at 45 percent, which bodes poorly for Republicans being urged to believe the race is over, only to later experience buyer’s remorse.

65 gbnhj April 16, 2012 at 12:03 pm

(#58) Today’s tip: when pawning material off as your own – even if that material presents something truly stupid as being fact – it really helps if it doesn’t come from easy-to-find sources.

66 dogbertt April 16, 2012 at 12:06 pm

I find it endearing when a Korean woman refers to “sperm” as a countable noun, but not so much when a Korean man does, for some reason.

67 SomeguyinKorea April 16, 2012 at 1:14 pm

#63,

Well, then…Following your line of logic, I going to believe that Earth really is flat and that little green men from outer space have visited us until I’m presented with evidence to the contrary in court.

68 Year of the Dragon April 16, 2012 at 2:23 pm

(#58) Today’s tip: when pawning material off as your own – even if that material presents something truly stupid as being fact – it really helps if it doesn’t come from easy-to-find sources.

#59 & #65 – I actually got it from this site:

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_citizen.htm

I meant this site – http://www.eyesonobama.com/blog/content/id_22721/title_Right-Wing-Email-Questions-Obamas-Citizenship/

oops!! I meant this site – http://www.barackaboma.com/barack_obama_not_a_citizen.asp

I just forgot to paste the link under what I copied and pasted: -

69 깊은 구멍 속에 April 16, 2012 at 3:10 pm

http://edition.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c2#/video/world/2012/04/16/grant-un-speech.cnn

Man he shifts back in forth like a 4th grader giving a speech in class for the first time. Classic.

70 gbnhj April 16, 2012 at 3:14 pm

YotD, when you quote something in its entirety but provide no reference or even quotation marks, it just looks like you’re putting it out as something you wrote. Plus, it’s not the first time you’ve done it on a thread here. Seriously, at least mention the author or source in your post.

71 Year of the Dragon April 16, 2012 at 3:40 pm

as I said …..

I just forgot to paste the link under what I copied and pasted

who is the author? The same paragraph has been written on hundreds of websites – http://dok.do/jHHtzy

72 aaronm April 16, 2012 at 3:46 pm

I find it endearing when a Korean woman refers to “sperm” as a countable noun, but not so much when a Korean man does, for some reason.

I’d be willing to bet the Rollster counts his. Keeps the residue of each nocturnal emission or bout of over-excitement in a jar, puts said mess under a microscope, numbers them to the nearest billion, and performs penance for each one spilled in vain.

73 Banana Stache April 16, 2012 at 4:18 pm

Birthering: An important pastime.

74 gbnhj April 16, 2012 at 4:33 pm

And as I said, it’s not the first time you’ve done it on a thread here, so it just looks like you’re pawning something off as your own. Plus, the fact that it’s wrong – which, by the way, is the position of both your first and second sources – just makes you look odd for having used it as you did.

75 Anonymous_Joe April 16, 2012 at 4:48 pm

(YotD #68)#59 & #65 – I actually got it from this site:

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_citizen.htm

So you say that you mistakenly did not attribute your source. Did you also mistakenly omit that your source was dedicated to urban legends?

76 Year of the Dragon April 16, 2012 at 6:01 pm

I try my best to bring people like you out of the woodwork.

77 Anonymous_Joe April 16, 2012 at 6:21 pm

I try my best to bring people like you out of the woodwork.

Ah, an internet troll. Get back under whichever router or bridge you crawled out from.

(does Marmot have an ignore button?)

78 Sperwer April 16, 2012 at 6:49 pm
79 Sperwer April 16, 2012 at 6:53 pm

The spirit of Korean “progressives”:

http://t.co/k0IfDA7o

80 Antti April 16, 2012 at 11:36 pm

The spirit of Korean “progressives”:

But Sperwer, no true progressive…

81 thekorean April 17, 2012 at 1:21 am

The spirit of Korean “progressives”:

By the same token, birtherism was the spirit of your kind.

82 WangKon936 April 17, 2012 at 2:06 am
83 YangachiBastardo April 17, 2012 at 2:34 am
84 YangachiBastardo April 17, 2012 at 2:54 am

Past results do not predict future performance

Agreed…to cut a long story short i’d like my son to have the chance to live a normal life and have the things i managed to earn: a car, a paid roof and a bit of comfort, without having to rely on me til he’s in his 40′s.

I was supposed to move to HK with my ex but well that’s a missed opportunity, everywhere in developed or even developing Asia, would be just fine with me…too bad my company want me and need me here in this vomit bucket

85 YangachiBastardo April 17, 2012 at 3:46 am

Well speaking of tourism last February i was at the BIT (Borsa Internazionale del Turismo) in Milan, one of the biggest tourism trading fairs in the world.

If i remember correctly delegations from more than 130 countries showed up with their own stand.

I think this might be the simple, yet powerful explanation behind America declining foreign tourism industry: increased competition.

In fact tons of countries have beautiful beaches, beautiful mountains, beautiful people (that’s an asset too) and great food…and more and more countries are stabilising and developing enough to host a vast number of foreign visitors.

Everybody is chasing after the same tourism bucks…it won’t be easy for anyone

86 slim April 17, 2012 at 4:23 am

I’d say it’s still mostly post 9-11 visa and security hassles, including brusque, intrusive immigration officials and asshole TSA officers.

87 DLBarch April 17, 2012 at 4:50 am

Amen, Slim. Amen.

Hell, I have a U.S. passport, and I STILL hate going through immigration and TSA!

On the other hand, I experienced a strange feeling going through Heathrow last Christmas. Standing in what seemed like an interminable line at immigration, I actually found myself complaining that immigration there didn’t have a special line just for Americans!

“Cousins” my ass!

Self-importantly yours,
DLB

88 Q April 17, 2012 at 4:58 am

Long-forgotten American dream of homogeneous society — Immigration Act of 1924:

“In all its parts, the most basic purpose of the 1924 Immigration Act was to preserve the ideal of American homogeneity”

89 slim April 17, 2012 at 5:22 am
90 The Sanity Inspector April 17, 2012 at 7:26 am

It’s Monday evening here–make with the free ice cream!

91 Year of the Dragon April 17, 2012 at 8:52 am

why not add some free cola to the free ice-cream in a glass – makes a nice smoothie.
http://newslite.tv/2012/04/17/free-coca-cola-in-exchange-for.html

92 SomeguyinKorea April 17, 2012 at 9:29 am

#82,

Hats off to the photographers. Although the picture are truly beautiful, they do not evoke the same kind of feelings such beautiful photography would normally do. The skills of the photographers are unquestionable, but the subject matter (the celebration of a social and political system which exploits and abuses by the social class who benefits from it) leaves you feeling cold. This contradiction is what makes these pictures of tremendous artistic value.

93 gbnhj April 17, 2012 at 11:29 am

Talking about contradictions, check out the picture of that armed medical unit.

94 Sperwer April 17, 2012 at 12:36 pm

@93 When you don’t have the medicines to help, you need the gun to put your patients out of their misery.

95 αβγδε April 17, 2012 at 3:57 pm

This track by female rapper E.via is quite possibly the greatest single Kpop song ever made:

Oppa, Na Haedodwae?”

Yangachibastardo, you got to get my back on this.

Forget about how both suggestive and overt in sexuality the song is. Listen to how it starts and how it builds up and changes as the track moves, or, trips, along. It’s brilliant.

96 eujin April 17, 2012 at 7:07 pm

@87, next thing you know, those so-called “cousins” will be charging a fee for online visa waiver applications!!!

Is anyone following the Breivik trial? He’s at it again, saying he admires the Japanese and South Korean systems. I was surprised yesterday when he arrived in court that five or six people came up and shook his hand. I don’t know who they are, court officials or lawyers or psychiatrists? I’m not sure I’d want to shake the hands of a self-confessed serial killer and I’d certainly want to wash them afterwards – no, I wouldn’t want to do it.

97 CactusMcHarris April 17, 2012 at 9:50 pm

#96,

Being a Scandinavian country, Norway wouldn’t ever execute him, but giving him any sort of public forum to spout his psychopathic hate is counterproductive. Put him in solitary somewhere and give him a necktie (silk would work well) and a stout bar to tie it to.

And I’m in full agreement with you. How could one shake his hand? Anyway, I’m still waiting why he had to kill the kids – weren’t they almost all native Norw.?

98 YangachiBastardo April 18, 2012 at 12:39 am

Yangachibastardo, you got to get my back on this.

Fuck yes !! Infectious tune with a crazy, crazy tempo…it is once again proved how some of the best k-pop can be found outside of the majors.

Swincle, Electroboyz, X-Cross, NS Yoon Ji, Elizabeth, A-Force ??? Bring ‘em on !!

99 YangachiBastardo April 18, 2012 at 2:08 am

Not sure if this is creepy or great (or both):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04FdisNU3vw

nobody beats Koreans at electro

100 DLBarch April 18, 2012 at 2:26 am

Gawd, all this soft-porn / k-pop / bubble gum crap just makes me wanna cry, man!

Girl’s Day? Puhlease! Doesn’t Korea produce anything equivalent to Green Day? U-2? Any stick-it-to-the-man protest rock?

Anyone?

DLB

101 αβγδε April 18, 2012 at 3:08 am

Yangachi,

Not creepy. It’s great. But most of all it’s funny as hell. That MV is a sequel or a companion to an earlier MV of theirs, Twinkle Twinkle. Unlike the earlier MV where Mina chases after that guy, in this MV she’s rejecting and smacking him around. Funny! What I discover about Girl’s Day by this video — is that they’re all pretty damn fit, I mean, they have nice bodies in a gym-and-fitness sort of way. Request to bang them all please. Kthanks. — Glad you like that track by E.Via

DLBarch,

U-2 is a great band. I think it’s in the details of their music, all the electronica layering their tracks in the background that make their music truly good. Fans of U-2 will tell you same.

Green Day, however… I think they suck ass. Annoying formulaic pop song structure rock punk type of music. Not my cup.

Does Korean have a few equivalents, maybe? Sure. Try Swallow for some good rock music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgZqcX-9Jd4

For some more rock but just a tiny bit more experimental, try MOT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqdo6SvjbwI

MOT can’t be judged from one or even two tracks, really. They have a breadth of inspiration driving their music, I think. Another good track, or two:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWA5XclnW9M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRh_V_7QSyc

(I couldn’t find that one track that I really like…)

Han Hee Jeong (Blue Dawn, The The, and others) is always good rec. for softer indie rock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwmeDzwVeKs

Tons more where that came from. Just tons more. Literally, you don’t even know, bro!

102 αβγδε April 18, 2012 at 3:08 am

crap. caught in the moderation net.

103 thekorean April 18, 2012 at 3:40 am

Doesn’t Korea produce anything equivalent to Green Day? U-2? Any stick-it-to-the-man protest rock?

Green Day equivalent –> Crying Nut, Lazy Bone, No Brain
U-2 equivalent –> Deli Spice, Jaurim, maybe Clazziquai
Stick-it-to-the-man protest rock –> Kim Min-Gi, Jeong Tae-Choon.

104 YangachiBastardo April 18, 2012 at 3:45 am

Clazziquai similar to U2 ?

Man, tell me what you’re smokin’, i want it too :)

PS

Clazziquai is awesome and Horan on the very short list of sexiest women alive

105 thekorean April 18, 2012 at 4:22 am

You’re right — on second thought, Clazziquai was pushing it.

106 DLBarch April 18, 2012 at 4:57 am

TK,

Thanks for the lowdown, brah. I have my homework cut out for me now.

DLB

107 DLBarch April 18, 2012 at 5:13 am

BTW, one of the Korea surfing videos sent to me last week by a Japanese friend included this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMAm1gfCYPg

I didn’t share it on MH at the time. It now seems apropos.

Pure hathos, man. Pure hathos!

DLB

108 bumfromkorea April 18, 2012 at 5:35 am

@TK & DLB

Wait, pre-Copy Machine split Lazybone, or post-Copy Machine split Lazybone? ‘Cause those two are very different bands.

And how about YB for U2 equivalent?

109 thekorean April 18, 2012 at 5:41 am

Early Lazy Bone, pre-split.

YB is way more masculine and simple compared to U2. For U2 equivalent, I am really stuck with Deli Spice. Time to revisit the newer generation of indies…

DLB, I also highly, highly recommend 장기하와 얼굴들. They really are the proper heir of the unique Korean rock sound of the 1970s-80s.

110 DLBarch April 18, 2012 at 5:59 am

Thanks, again. I first went to Korea when Lee Mun-sae was doing his thing in the late ’80s, and actually spent one night drinking with the cat at Woodstock in Shinchon a decade later in the late 90s, so my Korean taste in music is kinda limited.

(I also was forced to listen to hours of Kim Kun-mo during a Korean road trip, but I blame that on an old girlfriend and am still psychologically scarred by the experience.)

DLB

111 YangachiBastardo April 18, 2012 at 6:00 am

Indie ???? Arrrggghhhhhhh I-N-D-I-E ???? casting aspersions

Seriously speaking, Korean 80′s power ballad…can’t get better than this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHCrYt4hGuI&feature=related

112 YangachiBastardo April 18, 2012 at 6:06 am

I also was forced to listen to hours of Kim Kun-mo during a Korean road trip, but I blame that on an old girlfriend and am still psychologically scarred by the experience

I know this is really not gentlemanly from my side…but hey it can’t be worse than giving, completely pooped, 1 hour of Shiatsu massage while she treats you with some uber-tedious Kitaro classics

113 slim April 18, 2012 at 6:10 am
114 DLBarch April 18, 2012 at 6:42 am

YB,

I’m absolutely convinced that the laws of the universe have secretly conspired to force together hot chicks with bad music.

There, I said it. Let the bashing begin!

DLB

115 Granfalloon April 18, 2012 at 7:17 am

I’m kinda partial to Cherryfilter myself.

116 bumfromkorea April 18, 2012 at 8:08 am

@granfalloon

I’m a huge fan myself.

117 Banana Stache April 18, 2012 at 1:33 pm

이승열 is fantastic, and has been compared to Bono from U2, I think because his voice sounds slightly similar:
http://youtu.be/449axWIGch8

The Black Skirts (검정치마) is really just one guy, but he is a great songwriter and native english speaker, so when he switches from Korean to English it is actually natural (as opposed to a good number of K-Pop songs that seem to randomly scatter english in without much meaning):
http://youtu.be/5dhmi6ntb_A
His album “Don’t worry baby, I’m only swimming” is one of my favorites, in any language.

더 문샤이너스(The Moonshiners) freaking ROCK. They have an old school style that is Killer. Really fun music.
http://youtu.be/d8kchxmMw-s

And here is a song I just love, Horan & Park Ki Young – Dala Song:
http://youtu.be/W5brrruKgfo
If that doesn’t have you tapping your feet you are dead inside!

And here is a modern cover of an old Korean song with just vocals and guitar and it is just beautiful:
비내리는고모령 – 주현미 [현인,1948]
http://youtu.be/Yvqpx4F0JPA

118 Anonymous_Joe April 19, 2012 at 1:56 am

Pitchers get suspended jail terms for fixing matches

“A local court on Wednesday sentenced two pitchers charged with fixing matches to six months in prison, suspended for two years, and 7 million won ($6,154) each in fine.

The Daegu District Court also ordered 120 hours of community service for Park Hyun-jun and Kim Seong-hyun, who played for the Seoul-based LG Twins in the nation’s top professional baseball league.

Last month, the Korea Baseball Organization, which runs the league, suspended the two players indefinitely after allegations they took kickbacks from a gambling broker in exchange for issuing first-inning walks last season.

Judge Yang Ji-jeong said the pitchers were involved in ‘few’ cases of match fixing and acknowledged and showed remorse for their crimes, leading to their prison sentence being suspended.

Seven active and retired professional volleyball players charged in a separate match fixing scandal also received actual or suspended prison terms, along with seven brokers and financiers involved in the scheme. Two other players were each ordered to pay a 7 million won fine.

‘Match fixing by professional players in fair competition is a serious and unacceptable crime,’ Yang said.”

(Yonhap News)

119 Charles Tilly April 21, 2012 at 2:10 am

From the New York Times: As Asians Flock to Northern Virginia, Laws and Palates Collide:

In the rear of the Great Wall supermarket here, customers linger over razor clams, frozen conch and baby smelt arrayed at the fish counter. Crabs clamber over the ice. Below, sea bass circle in glass tanks. A girl in a stroller, eye level with a school of tilapia, giggles in delight.

But other tanks are empty. The bullfrogs, turtles and eels that Northern Virginia’s booming Asian population used to buy at the counter and take home to cook are nowhere to be found, seized last year by state agents who leveled criminal charges against two managers of the store accusing them of illegally selling wildlife.

The case, which is scheduled to go to trial in June, has put culinary traditions of Asian immigrants into conflict with state laws, illustrating what some see as a cultural fault line in the changing population of Northern Virginia.

120 yuna April 21, 2012 at 2:47 am

It’s alright. Just re-stock the empty shelves with some home-raised dogs.

121 CactusMcHarris April 21, 2012 at 3:23 am

#120,

But home-schooled dogs go obediently into the pot.

122 Q April 21, 2012 at 6:04 am

From MSNBC: McDonald’s worker in South Carolina arrested after phlegm found in tea:

A teenage McDonald’s employee has been charged with unlawful and malicious tampering with food after customers found phlegm in their tea, police in South Carolina said.

Deputies in Greenville County said a mother and her daughter ordered sweet tea from the McDonald’s in Simpsonville on Saturday.

After getting the tea they noticed it was not sweet, according to deputies. After returning the drinks, the customers realized that the order was still not correct, deputies said.

Deputies said rather than going back to the restaurant, the victims went home to add their own sweetener. They said when they opened the tops they noticed a large deposit of phlegm was found floating in both drinks.

123 hamel April 21, 2012 at 6:29 am

Q: Good story, but why do you post that here?

124 Q April 21, 2012 at 7:13 am

I am sorry, Sir, it could have been more appropriate interesting story to share here if it were news report about unhygenic Korean restaurants.

125 Sonagi April 21, 2012 at 8:56 am

I think I just became a Sarah Palin fan.

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