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Jenny Hyun admitted to hospital for paranoid schizophrenia

I was wondering how one walks back calls for racial genocide.

Well, apparently this is how:

Jenny Hyun has been admitted to a hospital today. She is a paranoid schizophrenic and has been battling mental illness, a debilitating disease for many years.

Friends and family of Jenny want to extend their sincere apology for any harmful statements made verbally or via the web that Jenny has made while she was in the height of a psyshosis episode. We appreciate your understanding during this difficult time for her.

Assuming the statement is true, my sympathy goes out.

(HT to guy on phone)

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  • http://www.busanhaps.com Bobby McGill

    Her spin doctors are on the ball –gotta give them that.

  • iMe

    i clicked the link thinking she is that cute chick also named jenny with monster boobs. i guess she isn’t.

  • PineForest

    Wow. She didn’t pull any punches.

  • bumfromkorea

    If this is true, this is the strangest twitter blowout I’ve seen since the “Fake Japanese Girlfriend” incident.

    If this is a ruse, then this is the strangest twitter blowout I’ve seen, beating out the “Fake Japanese Girlfriend” incident.

  • http://www.wm3.org/Updates iheartblueballs

    She’s got a bright future in Korean politics and/or chaebol management with the fabricated health issues already under her belt.

  • Wedge

    All the best poets/songwriters are crazy, no? Actually, no. I’m with Blueballs on this one. Short of a recent family loss or something, 21st Century Schizoid Chick works quite nicely as an excuse.

  • jkitchstk

    Let me rephrase that…
    “Girls Generation performer excuses her racist rant as mental illness.” Now she needs to take her drugs, then go on American TV talk shows to apologize 100 times. Sincerely! Then, if she’s lucky African-Americans and all other Americans will forgive her. Anything short of this doesn’t count. A trip to Africa might do her well too, she should appear on TV in South Africa.

  • shaunmira

    The admission of mental illness is not an excuse, for no excuse is even needed. Nobody is supporting her twitter statements; all right-minded people would be in agreement as to the offensiveness, and know that nothing would excuse their way into permission. As I see it, the admission of mental illness is but to assuage an outraged public her statements be seen as symptoms of that illness, and that no further outrage directed at her be justified.

  • Big Floppy Hat

    I’ve never thought of the DSM as bedtime reading, but if you’re prone to spewing invective at length…

    …maybe a Twitter account isn’t for you. Just sayin’.

  • hamel

    It’s always nice to see people show some sympathy for those who are truly ill.

    Wedge, remind me to buy you a beer for your humanity the next time I see you.

  • http://roboseyo.blogspot.com roboseyo

    If she’s actually mentally ill, then I feel bad for her and her family that it manifested in, literally, the exact worst possible way.

    If she’s not, then not only is she a racist (badword), but a coward for trying to dodge responsibility for her actions.

    And while the stuff she said was deplorable, the “mental illness defense,” if untrue, is the slimiest thing she (and her agent?) has/have done yet, because people who actually struggle with mental illness don’t deserve to have their condition looked askance at, and answered with a “yeah sure you, buddy” the way people (myself included) are currently cynical about the drunk defense and the “he’s had a hard life” line.

    Mental illness should not be treated as a cop-out, because the actually mentally ill do not deserve to be suspected of trying to get away with something.

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    Does anyone believe this woman is actually mentally ill?

    And where is the chorus of condemnation from the righteous peanut gallery of racist card players in the Lin case? Right!

  • http://www.busanhaps.com Bobby McGill

    I just gotta say, as an American, if anyone starts talking smack about the Canadians, I am going on a Twitter rant as well.

  • http://www.cfekorea.com nayaCasey

    Sperwer #11, I don’t know if she is mentally ill but either way, she has blown up her career for a while–(1) she is prejudiced and has demonstrated it in a very public way and/or (2) she has a mental illness.

    Korea Herald: ‘1 in 6 Koreans has mental illness

  • Wedge

    Hamel: If this chica is truly ill, then I’ll buy you a pink card’s-worth of beer at the Broughton. I’ll also feel a bit bad having incorrectly assumed the worst, but then wonder why her Twitter account wasn’t shut down a bit earlier by her family, friends, handler, agent, publicist or hairdresser.

  • gbnhj

    Guys, I did a run-through on her blog, and found this post from June of last year. Someone commented on it last October. I’m no expert, but it seems to corroborate her claim.

  • http://www.cfekorea.com nayaCasey

    Gbnhj #15, good find. Seems like the chick has real problems beyond saying bad things about black people. Of course, to the real racial analyzing experts, it is just proof of her hidden racism that was only revealed by Freud smoking a cigar…

    Wedge #14: Looks like you owe Hamel that beer. Apparently her site still hasn’t been shut down. I guess if they ask her for a password that her different personalities will lie about it…

  • jk6411

    I was wondering how anyone in his/her right mind could utter such outrageously offensive & stupid comments..

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #8, #11, et al.

    If you had a friend or a relative who suffers from paranoid schizophrenia, you’d have recognized right away that her comments are very typical of people who suffer from the illness who are going through a particularly hard time in their lives. I guarantee those comments don’t reflect how she normally feels.

    Trust me, I’ve seen it before.

    One of my relatives who suffers from the illness left almost identical comments on his Facebook page last year. He was having a hard time adjusting to being home alone while his parents had gone on vacation. It was clear to me that he was going through an episode. He’d have never have left comments like that otherwise. When he’s fine, he posts pictures and videos of his friends and colleagues, almost obsessively so. Almost all of them are African-American (he’s a professional musician who was mentored by a very famous African-American musician).

    So, I spent a lot of time chatting with him online and over the phone after he started leaving those comments because I knew he was in need of human interaction. When his parents returned, he was back to his old self. Still peculiar, but not malicious one bit.

  • Arghaeri

    I was wondering how anyone in his/her right mind could utter such outrageously offensive & stupid comments.

    If that’s the criteria for making those sort of comments then I’ve met a lot of people with DID.

  • Creo69

    Someone needs to take away this chick’s keys to her Twitter. Tweeting while schizophrenic is not cool.

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    I’ll also feel a bit bad having incorrectly assumed the worst, but then wonder why her Twitter account wasn’t shut down a bit earlier by her family, friends, handler, agent, publicist or hairdresser.

    Because the craziness wasn’t causing problems for her, yet.

  • cm

    “And where is the chorus of condemnation from the righteous peanut gallery of racist card players in the Lin case? Right!”

    Sperwer, I’m surprised anyone even knows who she is or care what she says. The big fuss became that, when Asian Americans took notice over there at allkpop.com, who are all outraged at what she said – turning this into a big issue, instead of unknown someone going under the radar. Your accusation is off-base, and I do wish we stop this keeping of scores.

  • babotaengi

    “Hamel:… why her Twitter account wasn’t shut down a bit earlier by her family, friends, handler, agent, publicist or hairdresser.”

    Stupidest thing I’ve read in along time. Unless they lock her up, how the fuck are they gonna stop her accessing her twitter page? – and that’s assuming they even knew exactly what was rattling around in her head.

  • doctoroh

    ‘Congratulations – you have a big dick! So do whales and elephants.’ Good Christ, never ever play crazy with someone who lives there.

  • numberoneoppa

    Maybe she was just being honest. You know, a lot of people would agree with her statements.

  • YangachiBastardo

    Schizophrenic or not she just tweeted some BS, she didn’t kill anybody.

    If all the internet calls to rahowa had even the slightest relevance, the world would have been incinerated long ago.

    It’s a known fact we as humans divide among racial, religious, political etc lines

    We basically detest eachother but we all gotta somehow find a way to coexist on the only planet we have.

  • YangachiBastardo

    cm @ # 22 just nail it

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    @22 i don’t keep score, but i do noitive that yhe most atdent korean players of the race card are preternaturally quiet when one of the tribe speaks out above the soothing sound of the etiquette bell

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    @18 18

    I know several people who have suffered from psychosis or psychotic episodes. I have known many more people who have said or done incredibly stupid things under stress, the responsibility for both the stress and the results lay strictly with themselves, who tried to escape taking responsibility by playing the mental illness card. Such people also are neverthless deserving of understanding and sympathy, but only if they own their misconduct and make amends. Hyun could be genuinely mentally ill, but i have seen no credible and convincing evidence of it yet.

  • jk6411

    #28,
    Good God, does the whole country of Korea have to take responsibility every time an obscure, mentally-ill person of Korean descent makes a racist tirade on Twitter?
    Should the Korean govt officially apologize to the victim’s family?

    Jenny Hyun isn’t even a Korean citizen; she is American.
    She’s an American who cussed out another American.

    BTW, isn’t it America that taught her all those bad words she used?
    (Koreans surely don’t know how to talk like that.)
    Maybe it’s America that should apologize?

    Did anyone apologize for Mel Gibson, after his racial tirade? (Did Australians? Or Catholics?)

    I mean, I do feel sorry for the victim.
    But why should Koreans have to take responsibility for what this one crazy person did? Just because we look like her?

    (Now, if it had been the Korean president, or a famous personality who said those offensive remarks, it would’ve been a different matter.)

  • jk6411

    #19,

    If that’s the criteria for making those sort of comments then I’ve met a lot of people with DID.

    Well, if a Korean-American made those sort of comments publicly I would seriously consider him/her crazy.
    Being a small minority in the U.S., Korean-Americans always teach their kids to behave and not cause trouble.
    Koreans in America get called names day-in-and-day-out by people of other races, but they hardly say anything back.
    (Why? Cause if they do, they end up with a big incident like what happened in Dallas.)
    As a Korean-American, I’m well aware of this.

  • Charles Tilly

    She’s an American who cussed out another American.

    There’s nothing wrong with Americans cussing out there fellow Americans. It’s one the great national traditions as a matter of fact. There’s just no place for her cussing out her fellow American in the way that she did.

    Why that way when there are so many better ways? I mean, this is Pretty Boy Floyd we’re talking about here. There are plenty of ways to cuss him out without reverting to barbaric racial remarks.

  • Charles Tilly

    ^their fellow Americans….

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    @30

    Get a grip on that bucking bronco, Tonto. No one’s looking for an apology from Korea. But it speaks volumes that you would so misinterpret what was said.

  • somedaze

    Do a search on her blog. One for “medication” brings up some posts. I was furious at what she wrote, but she obviously has battled mental illness before. She apparently just had a very public mental episode.

    http://jennyhyun.wordpress.com/?s=medication&submit=Search

  • jk6411

    No one’s looking for an apology from Korea.

    Really? Then what did you mean when you said,
    “And where is the chorus of condemnation from the righteous peanut gallery of racist card players in the Lin case? Right!”

  • YangachiBastardo

    There’s just no place for her cussing out her fellow American in the way that she did

    Agreed, Floyd’s comments were not Nobel prize material either

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    Last time i looked at the dictionary “condemnation” had a different meaning from “apology”, but hey things may have changed and my eyesight isn’t what it used to be, even with the new multifocal contact lenses. Or maybe You need to follow the game here at the Hole better; maybe you should get a program; then you’d know who made up the kimchi side’s tu quoque squad.

  • bumfromkorea

    Sperwer wasn’t looking for an apology, but what he was asking for still applies to what jk 6411 was saying.

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    YB

    Floyd’s comment once it went beyond remarking the absolute unextraordinary nature of Lin’s performance as a basketball performance was unnecessary, stupid and itself a very minor example of exactly the same sort of special pleading he meant to criticize. Stll it was utterly harmless, in racial terms, and shouldn’t be singled out in any manner that is open to even the suggestion that it mitigates in any way Hyun’d utterly vile statements.

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  • YangachiBastardo

    Stll it was utterly harmless, in racial terms, and shouldn’t be singled out in any manner that is open to even the suggestion that it mitigates in any way Hyun’d utterly vile statements

    Sperwer i don’t know if this chick is schizophrenic or not, i have absolutely no competence to determine anything like that (and i’m not even sure, from personal experience, that even doctors can do it properly all the time), what i find mildly depressing is how everything related to race in American (and British) society becomes a major issue.

    You know i’m no Europe apologist but i have to say from this pont of view (and probably only this point of view) we are a more mature society. We hate, cuss and threaten eachother, sometimes trade a few blows and riot a bit, but after that we shrug and go back to our (rather miserable) lives.

    Racialisation of issues to me is so useless, in my view this is just an overpaid jock makin’ dumb comments about another overpaid jock while another crazy entertainment chick jump in and make a total clown out of her own skinny ass.

    Same old, same old

  • jk6411

    Hyun’s utterly vile statements.

    Yes, I agree her comments were vile.
    But like I said, she is a mentally-ill lady who was having a psychotic episode.
    So just let it go.

    Ms. Hyun owes an apology to the victim and the African-American community. But it’s her responsibility and hers alone.

  • Latsany

    jk6411, there’s no real evidence that she’s truly “mentally-ill”. Whatever the excuse she composes, the fact of the matter still stays the same: she is a bizarre, close-minded racially prejudice extremist. As an Asian woman myself, I’m disappointed another Asian has the nerve to make us look bad. But let Hyun speak for herself. I do believe she needs psychological help though.

  • hamel

    Wedge: I look forward to that pink card.

    Sperwer: Not sure if you noticed, but I am not a Corean co-ethnic. I believe she is more than likely mentally ill.

    Everybody: An occasional commenter here who’d prefer more anonymity than his user name and not having to create a new one has asked me to post the following on his behalf:

    >Gbnhj, thank you very much for unearthing that post. I had the horrifying experience of watching my first wife dissolve as a result of mental illness; she transformed from sane rationality into paranoid psychosis requiring multiple hospitalizations as a result of a severe bipolar disorder that only began to manifest itself as she approached 30; the disease also appears to have run in the family and led to an aunt’s suicide. As soon as I read the over-the-top ravings of Jenny Hyun on Twitter and the speed and craziness with which they were coming out, I immediately suspected a psychotic break. Comparing those tweets with the very well-written blog post you cited brings back painful memories of the metamorphosis I witnessed. Twitter sadly allows what was in my ex’s case to be a relatively contained phenomenon to now be broadcast globally with irreparable consequences. I have total empathy for Jenny and her family and friends and hope that those of you who have been skeptics think again and with compassion. If you have never had to witness serious mental illness close up, it’s hard to be aware how lucky you are. It remains the most difficult thing I’ve ever had to deal with.

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    Hamel- huh? I said nothing to suggest you were, or otherwise were taking an unreasonable position, although at this stage it is imo unsustainable

  • Arghaeri

    Sperwer wasn’t looking for an apology, but what he was asking for still applies to what jk 6411 was saying.

    How exactly, Jk6411 referred to the whole country of korea taking responsibility and making an apology. Sperwer referred to none if the foregoing.

    He made an observation about lack of condemnation in relation to righteous racist card players. So having dismissed the condemnation part you seem to be saying that “righteous racist card players” = korea

  • gbnhj

    Hamel’s friend, you’re welcome. Thanks for sharing your experiences with us – I wish you well.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com setnaffa

    Are you still paranoid if they ARE out to get you? RE: Dallas NoI vs Korean gas station owner, etc.

    Alternately, she would not be the first singer to have a problem with her “medication”, nor the first person to blow off steam on Twitter and then realize “Oh [expletive-deleted] did I really say that?”.

  • http://www.cfekorea.com nayaCasey

    Latsany #44 does make a good point. There is no real evidence that the songwriter is truly mentally-ill. Many of us have known people with mental issues but that’s not evidence about this particular woman.

    Without trying to sound too insensitive, it is possible that one of her other personalities wrote the note. If I knew her and had access to her account, I would change the password and take her offline (or only leave the note up).

    On a different point, it is amazing how many unknown people become notorious for random Internet ramblings. I can’t place it now but years ago I read an article or book (before the Internet) about how losers and misfits have become famous or infamous because of various Supreme Court cases, news stories. I suppose someone could write a “best of” that could be a segment on the Daily Show.

    I guess my assumption in most cases is that with so many mentally unstable people in this world that many of the people with angry and rambling commentary are challenged with mental issues.

  • twesam

    Please stay there, you stupid twit! You take an imbecile’s statement as representative of all Black folks when they are even against what he said about Linsanity!
    Her rant was genuine and that’s her punishment for it.

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    You know i’m no Europe apologist but i have to say from this pont of view (and probably only this point of view) we are a more mature society. We hate, cuss and threaten eachother, sometimes trade a few blows and riot a bit, but after that we shrug and go back to our (rather miserable) lives.

    I grew up and went to an ethnically diverse and racially integrated school in inner city Detroit during the 50s where everyone trash-talked everyone else but basically got along, so i understand where you are coming from.

  • hamel

    The messages themselves are the prima facie evidence of mental instability of some sort. My friend with the bipolar ex-wife said the same.

    I think most of us can see the difference between a proper racist rant and the ramblings of someone who is ill at ease. That, and most real racists with half a brain who work in the public sphere know to hold back their most extreme opinions when speaking out loud. For instance, I believe that all Djinnistanis should be wiped off the face of the planet in the most painful way possible, but you won’t catch me broadcasting that to the wider world…

    Twitter sadly can be an amplifier and multiplier for mental illness.

  • babotaengi

    I think the pop songs she wrote were more repugnant than this shit. Burn her!

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    I think it was because everyone’s parents believed, and we were taught the significance of, individual rights instead of being schooled in group and caste privileges. That started changing in the late 60s as part of a very unfortunate undercurrent in the otherwise salutary civil rights movement that did a lot to reanimate a similar reaction from other segments of society, whether they coceived of themselves as white or, usually, in more narrowly drawn ethnic terms in respect of which shared skin color wasn’t enough to prevent serious intra-racial conflict.

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    @53

    Applying Occam’s razor here, i think hyun’s statements can only reasonably be taken as establishing a prima facie case for the proposition that she is a racist. It could be that her outburst stemmed from genuine mental illness, but it could also have been the result of some other, even some other self-created stressor. We won’t know the answer unless and until there is a competent and credible medical diagnosis – which is tantamount to saying we’ll never know, because I seriously doubt one will see the light of day.

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    I don’t recall, was Mel Gibson given a hall pass for his various outbursts because he is a manic-depressive alcoholic?

  • http://www.cfekorea.com nayaCasey

    Sperwer #57, a few years ago I was advising a youngster who hadn’t adjusted to the job world, he complained that he didn’t want to dress wearing a tie or jacket every day or even for a job interview, concluding by saying that Steve Jobs didn’t wear a tie or jacket to the office every day. I told him, “You’re not Steve Jobs. When you make billions then you can dress the way you want.”

    Well, same here with Mel Gibson and Jenny Hyun. Or Rush Limbaugh. Or Bill Clinton. Or Jesse Jackson. Or many others who get second, third, or fourth chances. If you become a big enough star, celebrity, or leader then you can survive mistakes. It also helps that those people at least explained themselves. If Hyun comes back by writing some feel-good stuff, explains her problem with some sincerity, then she may get a hall pass. But if your introduction to most of the world is the type of stuff she wrote, then most people will probably hold off before issuing that hall pass.

    By the way, I recall that Gibson got ripped several new ones shortly after he made various statements. So one day, someone may say about someone else who has gone off a profanity-laced or racist rant, “Yeah, well Jenny Hyun got a free pass, why not (fill-in-the-blank)?”

  • hamel

    #56
    Applying Occam’s razor here, I think Hyun’s statements can only reasonably be taken as establishing a prima facie case for the proposition that she is mentally unwell.

    We’re both using the same razor but coming to different conclusions. Perhaps we both have different contacts with mentally ill people.

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    I don’t think so. I’m taking her statements at face value, literally. You are inferring an underlying explanatory (and excusatory) condition that is not at all obvious on the known data.

  • hamel

    Sigh. As you wish, Sperwer.

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    Right back at ya, mate.

  • telix5000

    I guess the unfortunate part is I kinda know this girl, not very well, but I know her as far back as 10 years ago when she was known as Jaley. Then I found her online a few years ago, she went into her madness at some odd hour of the night. Something about Jews and being chosen, it was just bizarre. Found out through the grapevine that’s why she didn’t sing live or go out much anymore due to her mental illness. Say what you will about racism and mental illness. My best friend is a paranoid schizophrenic, and he’s also Korean. He called another friend of mine to tell him some anti-semitic stuff (and my friend isn’t even Jewish) — came by my house several times to warn me of the Germans and Romans. It’s really sad. I tend to believe she is schizophrenic. I’ve seen her talk about her medications before. That makes exactly 4 Korean Americans I know with schizophrenia. One was a girl I dated, and another is another old friend who last time we hung out she kept talking to herself listening to a walkman and screaming at me when I tried to say goodbye. Haven’t seen her again. I know it’s hard for everyone to believe mental illness is some “hall pass”, but in actuality, if she is in the hospital and comes to her senses, chances are she will have no recollection of what transpired. Sucks, but true.

  • http://www.wm3.org/Updates iheartblueballs

    It looks like paranoid schizophrenia is the new “I got hacked” on Twitter. Anthony Weiner would like you all to know that he wants a retroactive application of that standard applied. His severe mental illness led him to send wang pics to random skanks, and he looks forward to your forgiveness and empathy in advance.

    Funny how Hyun was mentally stable enough to post her stream of bullshit over four full days. Was mentally stable enough to recognize the shit storm, post a non-apology apology while declaring that she did not regret anything she said. Was then mentally stable enough to demand that others who were outraged by her stupidity needed to remain, you know, mentally stable (calm, cool, and collected in her words). Remained mentally stable enough to mock those who were outraged with references to KFC and Black America after that.

    And then when the shitstorm didn’t subside and she finally figured out that she was just digging herself deeper, all of a sudden she was mentally unstable and deserving of our sympathies. Probably just a coincidence how that timeframe and progression worked out though.

    By the way, Floyd Mayweather was largely right with his comments about Lin, and the fact that he got grief about them had far more to do with his past series of racist comments than the validity of the current (non-racist) one. He was comparing the media coverage (hype) given to Lin in comparison to what an equivalent black player would have received for the same accomplishments. He was stating what has been widely discussed in the media and largely echoed by numerous other NBA players since then, and most have agreed with the substance of his point. There’s really nothing controversial about his particular comments if you’ve followed the NBA and the media coverage of it for any period at all. Floyd is still a douche, but that doesn’t mean he was wrong.

  • telix5000

    I guess it’s pretty easy to come to some conclusion this is all made up to spite the racist remarks, but I guess when you look at the face value of this:

    http://jennyhyun.wordpress.com/2011/08/16/psyche-update/

    “Since I was 20 yrs. old I have tried virtually every psychiatric medication under the sun. I was beginning to lose hope in finding treatment for whatever it is that’s wrong with my brain. I’m taking 2 medications that are helping me so much to the point that I’ve normalized almost completely now that I’ve been on these meds for a few months. Although I’ve fallen short on advocating psychiatric medications. Some people are easier to treat with meds than others, and there’s always a high chance of the medications making you worse than before. That actually happened to me which is why I avoided taking meds for this long. I don’t know what happened, but I had an amazing breakthrough in the recent months and even though I’m still eccentric and crazy in so many ways, my moods feel more balanced and this separation from Aaron has helped me to grow mentally and spiritually, I feel more ready to tackle on the insanity we call the music business.”

    I guess it kind of diffuses the whole argument she is just “making this up”. She has gone whacko a few times online, it’s just this time she got press for it. It’s just sad all around.

  • http://bcarr.com Brendon Carr

    I am positive that our friend baduk (Roly Poly) is also one of these schizophrenic Korean-Americans.

  • hamel

    I wonder if iheartblueballs thinks that people who are really mentally unstable just sit in a corner, drooling, unable to pick up even a pen to doodle crazy, nonsensical words in a padded wall. It seems that way from his comment.

  • http://www.wm3.org/Updates iheartblueballs

    I wonder if iheartblueballs thinks that people who are really mentally unstable just sit in a corner, drooling, unable to pick up even a pen to doodle crazy, nonsensical words in a padded wall. It seems that way from his comment.

    If I had a dime for every selfish, moody bitch who used mental illness or emotional instability as a convenient excuse for her own self-absorbed narcissism and boorish behavior, I’d have a lot of fucking dimes.

    I don’t know if she’s actually suffering from a legitimate mental illness. And neither do any self-proclaimed armchair shrinks claiming twitter messages are prima facie evidence of it.

  • http://www.cfekorea.com nayaCasey

    iheartblueballs #63: If Jenny Hyun is pretending to be crazy then I would say we have reached a landmark point in history: It is now considered better to be mentally ill rather than racist.

    About the black boxer’s comments, you may recall the controversy from the 1980s when Dennis Rodman said Larry Bird was “very overrated” and Isiah Thomas agreed: “I think Larry is a very, very good basketball player. He’s an exceptional talent. But I have to agree with Rodman. If he were black, he’d be just another good guy.” That was after Bird had made some great plays to knock the Pistons out of the playoffs and Thomas later said he had been misunderstood.

    And, hey, speaking of progress! Spike Lee, one of Jeremy Lin’s biggest fans, said the following about Larry Bird: “The most overrated player of all time, I would say it’d be Larry Bird. Now, Larry Bird is one of the greatest players of all time, but listen to the white media, it’s like this guy was like nobody ever played basketball before him—Larry Bird, Larry Bird, Larry Bird, Larry Bird, Larry Bird.” Spike said that back in 2004, when Jeremy was still in high school.

    So I expect some other black intellectuals, activists, athletes will eventually agree with the boxer.

    That’s because of the often stated complaints
    1) that whites supposedly are always seeking a “great white hope” in sports, entertainment and activities dominated by blacks
    2) that whites are happy to embrace non-black minorities and eager to name Asians as “honorary whites.”

  • creggio

    He was comparing the media coverage (hype) given to Lin in comparison to what an equivalent black player would have received for the same accomplishments.

    Mayweather said that “Black players do what he does every night and don’t get the same praise.”

    This isn’t really true since what he’s done is not simply about his stats over the past couple weeks abstracted or in isolation, but in context – undrafted, out of a small program, suddenness, streak, starts, etc.

    Race is obviously a major component in this context. But it just isn’t the case that this sort of thing happens “every night”. The other components of the context are rarely there.

  • Granfalloon

    There is obviously some truth to what Mayweather said, so obviously in fact that I think Mayweather is kind of a dick for saying it. Yeah, some of this hype is cause of the Asian angle. No shit. Obama’s inauguration had the highest tv ratings in decades. Are we just going to pretend that Obama being the first black president had nothing to do with that? Still, it doesn’t change the fact that Lin is now at the top of the field for anyone playing basketball. He’s hot right now, and his praise is well-earned. Even if he wasn’t Asian, a lot of people would be looking at this guy right now.

    Jenny Hyun? Well, it occurs to me that even if she cannot be held accountable for what she says (and I’m not saying she can’t), she had plenty of advanced knowledge about her condition, yet chose to use a mode of cummunication that sends her thoughts, unfiltered, uncensored, to the entire freaking Internet. At any point in her long battle with her “illness,” did she ever think maybe using Twitter was a bad idea?

  • http://www.cfekorea.com nayaCasey

    Creggio #70, wrote: “This isn’t really true since what he’s done is not simply about his stats over the past couple weeks abstracted or in isolation, but in context – undrafted, out of a small program, suddenness, streak, starts, etc.”

    Agreed! There have been a few of these “out of nowhere NBA stories” such as Billy Ray Bates (“Black Superman”), Henry James, Avery Johnson, John Starks, Ben Wallace, but Lin’s case is different for so many reasons. None of those players, with the exception of Bates, actually carried the team as a complete unknown.

    Jesse Jackson may also agree with you with a quote he has popularized: “Text, without context, is pretext.” Booker T. Washington might also have something to say: “I have learned that success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life as by the obstacles which he has overcome while trying to succeed.”

  • YangachiBastardo

    Was mentally stable enough to recognize the shit storm, post a non-apology apology while declaring that she did not regret anything she said. Was then mentally stable enough to demand that others who were outraged by her stupidity needed to remain, you know, mentally stable

    I’d say this is if anything evidence in her case the cattle left the stable quite a bit of time ago

    I think the pop songs she wrote were more repugnant than this shit. Burn her!

    Fuckin infidel, you deserve punishment !! Heavenly remix if there ever was one !!!

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #67,

    Exactly. People who suffer from schizophrenia can be quite intelligent. My relative, for example, has perfect pitch and eidetic memory.

    #68,

    The fact she’s speaks at length about her illness is proof enough. Besides, those of us who know someone who suffers from it are able to recognize that her comments are symptoms of her paranoia.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #71,

    Mayweather couldn’t give two farts about Lin or the NBA. He wants publicity and street cred. He’s got a match against Pacquiao coming up and he’s about to serve 90 days in jail for battery.

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    I think that gbnhj’s find — linked to in # 16 — serves as prima facie evidence of Jenny Hyun’s mental instability. I read all of the twitter comments that she posted, and they seemed both very coherent and very weird, especially when put into the context of Mayweather’s original statement, which was quite mild (even though I disagree with him).

    A close relative of mine who was an adult when I was only ten was diagnosed as schizophrenic (now rediagnosed as bipolar) and was very coherent even as she said weird things and would plead with me to get out of the way and let her get into the sleeping pills in the medicine cabinet so that she could kill herself. That was rather heavy for me at ten, but I also wondered why she didn’t just overpower me and take the pills if she really wanted them. But what did I know about crazy?

    She was, by the way, tested as genius-level IQ (for what that’s worth) in the mental hospital where she was at times committed, so there’s little wonder that she could sound so rational while saying crazy things.

    Perhaps Ms. Hyun is similar, rational-sounding in her seemingly racist ranting, but crazy.

    I guess we’ll find out.

    Jeffery Hodges

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  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    The fact she’s speaks at length about her illness is proof enough

    I own this bridge in NYC that I’d like to sell. I could go on for hours about its history, engineering, construction, etc, etc. But the real seplling point is that if you own it you could charge a toll, and upwards of a milion people a day cross it by foot or transport every day. I’m only asking ten million. If you like i can spend more time going on and on about it, but in the meantime one of the other offerees might snap it up. Since youmseem like the credulous sort, why don’t you wire the money to my account right now, and i’ll drop the deed in the mail.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #76,

    I was told that when my relative was in high school, they sent him see the school psychologist. That didn’t go too well. The psychologist complained to his parents that he was mocking him. He had wanted to test his memory, so he read 12 digits and asked him to repeat as many as he could recall. My relative repeated them all, front and back, and then asked the psychologist if he would like to have a go at it.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #77,

    So, you think she’s been writing about her mental illness for months in preparation to this meltdown? It’s all a ploy to boost her career? And I thought she was delusional.

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    Sperwer, check out gnbhj’s link (#16). The post by Ms. Hyun alluding to her own mental instability dates from last June. That post should be evaluated differently from the remarks on her mental illness after her racist rant.

    Whether it excuses her rant is another issue. If she truly has schizophrenia, then there is excuse. If she’s simply bipolar, the excuse carries less weight.

    Jeffery Hodges

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  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    Someguy (#78), your relative sounds like mine — till shock treatments played havoc with her short-term memory. But she told me of intellectual fights where she was so much quicker than the psychologists that all they could do was seethe . . . though they did get revenge. Those were battles won in a war that was lost.

    Moral of the story: Don’t mock those in a position to do you harm.

    Jeffery Hodges

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  • YangachiBastardo

    Psychologists are douche

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #81,

    My relative is smart enough to manage without seeking proper treatment. That’s the biggest problem with him. When he goes of on a tangent, I can always bring him back to reality by mentioning music.

    Another relative, whom I think is bipolar with paranoid tendencies (was recently diagnosed with severe depression) is very cynical, mercurial, and emotionally manipulative. His MO is to over-analyzes everyone, seeing insult in the most mundane actions or words. Last time we had dinner, he talked my ear off about the problems he was having with a girl he was dating (she did this, she did that, she’s like this, she’s like that). He had already told me the same story many times over. He’s very exhausting. Since I stopped talking to him, my life got much simpler.

  • slim

    Jenny’s poetry is sophomoric and banal.

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    @79

    No I don’t think she was laying the groundwork as it were. What an unwarranted and foolish imputation.

    Jeff. I’m not saying she does or doesn’t have a disabling mental illness that was the cause of her outburst. I don’t know, neither do I think most of the people who have been very quick to excuse her conduct on that basis really know. My default perspective on people is that they are moral agents who have responsibility for their conduct; to be excused from that standard requires very convincing evidence. The clearest and incontrovertible evidence we have in this case consists of Hyun’s latest outbursts, which I submit are unquestionably racist. Did she only make these remarks because she no longer had control of her own thoughts and actions – like my father’s scatalogical cursing after his brain had been damaged by a stroke? Maybe. Is her earlier writing evidence thereof? While it could be evidence of mental illness, I don’t think it’s especially probative – not because I think she was deviously laying the groundwork for an insanity defense for subsequent bad behavior, but because it is in itself little more than evidence of someone who is preoccupied with thoughts about apparent cases of documented mental illness in her family and her own susceptibility. It might be grist for a medical diagnosis, but it isn’t a credible diagnosis in itself.

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    When I wrote “evidence of mental illness”, I should have said disabling mental illness to make it clearer that I mean mental illness that renders someone incapable of fulfilling the role of a responsible moral agent. Most people most of the time are subject to various stresses, and concomitant or resulting physiochemical processes, that could reasonably be regarded as more or less disabling; but we are expect ourselves and are expected to soldier on. I just don’t think it has been established that Hyun’s condition is more than that. Some people seem to think that her latest outbursts themselves are dispositive evidence of mental illness. But that’s tantamount to giving a pass for any bad act to anyone who subsequently says the devil made them do it.

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    Sperwer, I think we generally agree. My distinction between bipolar and schizophrenic maps roughly onto your implicit distinction between non-disabling and disabling mental illness.

    My only saliant point was that we do have evidence of some mental instability eight months ago (albeit no clear evidence of psychosis).

    Jeffery Hodges

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  • SomeguyinKorea

    #85,

    Imputation? No, no, no. It was sarcasm. Sometimes, it’s the only appropriate reaction.

    “Moral agents who have responsibility for their actions”? The whole devil’s advocate shtick is getting old.

    Once you let yourself see that those were the rambling thoughts of a paranoid mind, and not an expression of her true self, you’ll see that you don’t have an argument.

    As I was explaining earlier, to me this is nothing new. I’ve seen it all before. Sometimes it’s the CIA, other times it’s Jews, Muslims, or little green men. My relative blames jealousy in the music industry and mind control experiments conducted by the CIA for is fate, when in reality he’s no longer playing with Grammy Award winners because he can’t be trusted to show up for gigs. They may all agree that he’s a great guy and one of the most talented musicians alive (the best you’ll ever hear, I guarantee), but it remains that it’s a business and he’s cost them money too many times before (Heck, Syd Barrett, arguably one of the greatest musical geniuses of of the 20th century, was kicked out of Pink Floyd, wasn’t he?).

  • hamel

    Sperwer, has this thread become, for you, one that is not about Jenny Hyun and whether or not she has a mental illness that caused her to spew forth as she did, but rather forms part of a wider, meta-conversation, if you will, about Korean racism and attempts by Koreans to excuse the racism (or other malfeasance) of their co-ethnics?

  • Sonagi

    My distinction between bipolar and schizophrenic maps roughly onto your implicit distinction between non-disabling and disabling mental illness.

    A family member was diagnosed as bipolar by one of the best docs in the field, who worked with him for months adjusting his medications to the right dosage. He needs the meds to function normally; without them he would be disabled, unable to hold a job or care properly for his kids.

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    Let me make my point more clearly, then. Bipolar disorder does not ordinarily result in psychosis and would be unlikely to account for Ms. Hyun’s racist rant.

    Jeffery Hodges

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  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    Hamel:

    That has not been my main focus, but that particular worm istm is turning here too.

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    @88

    “true self”? Really? oh my! Bring in the inquisitors.

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    @92

    It would certainly go a ways in explaining the enormous intellectual sloppiness on display in so many of the comments here, as would the generally low level of conventional “knowledge” about “mental Illness”, which, pace Laing and Foucault, is as much a socially as a scientifically defined construct.

  • hamel

    Sperwer, I think sometimes you assume you are arguing against “co-ethnics” when that is not always the case. I guess that is why I felt it necessary to explain that I am not one in comment 45.

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    Thanks Hamel, but I do not necessarily assume that. I do assume, though, that the audience is capable of sorting out which comments may be directed at them and those that are aimed at others. Presumptuous of me I suppose.

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    Oops, forgot the ;)

  • http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    I’m guessing this girl was not mentally ill:

    http://www.eurweb.com/2012/02/video-girls-behind-racist-youtube-rant-kicked-out-of-school/

    Not that it reflects on Jenny Hyun, of course.

  • hamel

    Oh come on, Sperwer. Please stop talking like we’re all a bunch of idiots. You accuse some of us of “intellectual sloppiness” here, and me of “muddled thinking” elsewhere.

    I think we are all guilty of that at times (your comment #77 above doesn’t represent the height of intellct either), but it does very little to increase the content or tenor of any conversation by denigrating the intelligence of your interlocutors.

  • http://www.cfekorea.com nayaCasey

    Not directly on point…The conversation over whether or not Jenny Hyun is mentally ill is a nice reminder not to get too worked over things people say on the Internet.

    As I mentioned when the bus bully went off last August, I’ve had my share of encounters with idiots, nuts, drunken people. I can’t remember getting so upset about someone I don’t know or respect–one particular incident I recall was in Massachusetts when some whites yelled “niggers” from a passing car–we weren’t exactly sure if they had shouted “niggers” or “we’re getting nearer.” Yes, we debated it for quite a while before we concluded it didn’t matter, and resumed having fun.

    In the end, does it matter what some yee-haws yell from a passing car, what a drunk thinks about you, what some old guy on the subway or bus says, or what some chick who may be crazy types?

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    Hamel:

    This all started when I made two remarks: (1) whether anyone really believed her mentally ill; and (2) noting that the rush to embrace that notion by some of those well-known here (the korean pride tu quoque squad) to condemn even the hint of any such show of doubt about the evil motives of critics of korea and things korean was interesting.

    You subsequently indicated you did believe her mentally ill and stated your reasons. I said I thought your position was untenable (for reasons given) but not unreasonable in the circumstances, which imo can only support skepticism pending more information.

    You also chose, all on your own, to infer some imputation on my part that belief in her mental illness entailed membership in the second club. Then, even though in response to your direct question, I denied any such imputation, especially as regards you, you brought up the subject again today. I really don’t understand why. Given my previous statements about the reasonableness of your position, as an hypothesis – as opposed to the established fact that some think it is, I really don’t get why you are inclined to count yourself among those who might be offended by my opinion of the acuity of their thinking.

    Having explained at length why I think so, I also stand by my characterization of a lot of the comments herein as having been intellectually sloppy. In particular, in your case, despite the over-all reasonableness of your hypothesis of Hyun’s mental illness, you clearly do not really know the meaning of the term “prima facie case”. Neither does Jeff, apparently. There is no shame in that – it is a technical term, though, and laymen bandy it about at their own risk, especially when trying to press it into service as rhetorical support for the dispositive truth of their argumentative claims.

    I also stand by 77, which was (obviously) intended – in a deliberately ham-handed way — only to mock the specific commenter to whom it was addressed for a level of credulity his continued subscription to which well justifies it. He may have good grounds for thinking the friends and relatives he has mentioned are crazy; the facts of those cases just aren’t especially relevant here, and so neither his is smug assertion of the truth of Hyun’s mental illness and concomitant dismissal of any doubts. If he were less smug, I’d be inclined to be less sarcastic about his position; but my long experience is that such true believers are even less likely to be persuaded my argument than by scorn.

    I guess we do need to have that conversation about why I labelled your position in that earlier thread “muddled”, which apparently is a continuing irritant to you. All I can say at this point is that that wasn’t an observation about your intelligence, just a description of how I perceived the position you were taking. Maybe that would have been more apparent if we had talked out the relevant points – on many of which in fact you are in the company of some very smart people in your thinking on the subject.

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    Sperwer, you’re correct that I didn’t know the precise legal definition of prima facie (and I was thinking medically rather than legally), but now that I’ve looked it up, the meaning would seem to fit my remark:

    “I think that gbnhj’s find — linked to in # 16 — serves as prima facie evidence of Jenny Hyun’s mental instability.”

    Mental instability is a broad expression, covering both bipolar problems and schizophrenia, among other neuroses and psychoses.

    At any rate, I defer to your better legal knowledge.

    Jeffery Hodges

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  • SomeguyinKorea

    #93,

    Ironically, you’re the one who’s acting like an inquisitor, dunking a mentally ill woman in frigid waters to see what will happen, for which you have a foregone conclusion: whether she floats or sinks, the devil helped her escape.

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    See that’s what I mean: someone so convinced of the righteousness of his own views that he recklessly misrepresents the opinions of others.

    And in other news:

    http://m.koreaherald.com/view.htm?20120222000832

    Maybe TMH needs another tag/category for “Psychotic Koreans’ Tricks”.

    In any case I’m sure we will be hearing from all the usual suspects about the compassion we should feel for this perp while they remain mum about the victims.

    Carry on.

  • http://www.wm3.org/Updates iheartblueballs

    Once you let yourself see that those were the rambling thoughts of a paranoid mind, and not an expression of her true self, you’ll see that you don’t have an argument.

    Honest question: How is it that you found yourself privy to the nature of Hyun’s true self?

  • Wedge

    Hamel: Shortly after I posted my one-way bet I realized that proving schizophrenia one way or another would not be likely possible. I’ll buy you a beer on Friday as a peace gesture unless and until definitive proof comes out.

    On shutting down her Twitter account: I will stand by my original statement that she did these Tweets over two days (and non-apology apologies the next two days) and that someone in that timeframe should have stopped it, especially if they knew she was looney tunes. A public figure like her needs far better communications management.

    Further, sympathy to anyone who has had to deal with psychosis in a friend or relative. That’s gotta be a rough gig.

  • http://www.cfekorea.com nayaCasey

    Sperwer #104: Five people dead, wow. A shooting at a SAUNA?

    One of the things about ethnic, racial or group pride that has always amazed me is the way people will hail the occasional genius or achiever who shares similar skin color or the same nationality, but ignore the many more losers, criminals, misfits, psychotics who are also part of that group.

    “A genius is a genius, regardless of the number of morons who belong to the same race – and a moron is a moron, regardless of the number of geniuses who share his racial origin.”
    ― Ayn Rand

  • jk6411

    In any case I’m sure we will be hearing from all the usual suspects about the compassion we should feel for this perp while they remain mum about the victims.

    Sperwer, I think you’re in need of a psych evaluation yourself.

  • jk6411
  • SomeguyinKorea

    #105,

    Again, if you knew someone who’s schizophrenic, you’d understand that such outbursts are very typical for them and that when properly medicated they are actually very kind souls.

  • jk6411

    Sperwer,

    What makes you think that Koreans try to sweep criminals and psychos among them under the rug?
    Everyday Korean news is full of stories about them.
    Koreans are always discussing them, and fretting about them.

    Also, Korea has recently made a lot of progress in terms of stamping out racism. Now, Koreans are actively discussing the presence of all the foreigners in the country and even mixed-race Koreans and are working to eradicate discrimination. Korea has become a lot more open towards them.
    Things have changed so much in Korea that I sometimes wonder if this is the same Korea I grew up in.

  • http://www.wm3.org/Updates iheartblueballs

    #110, I have known people who are schizophrenic (including a close friend of mine who stepped in front of a semi at 26). I’ve seen outbursts, seen the difference that medication can make, and I know that while many who suffer from it are “very kind souls,” that characterization is by no means a blanket of truth for all schizophrenics. It’s absurd to claim “they” all have that same character, as if schizophrenics are a monolith of kindness and purity, and don’t actually run the spectrum of different personalities — from kind to complete asshole and everywhere in between — like all other groups of people.

    While it’s possible that your characterization of her is correct, it’s also possible that the racism she displayed is in fact indicative of her “true self,” and that her alleged schizophrenia merely allowed her to communicate it to others without filter or worrying about the possible consequences.

    I don’t know what her true self is, and neither do you. To imply otherwise is ludicrous.

  • yuna

    As I’ve said once in that Mary Hayashi thread,
    “I’m a woman, I have days” would get a lot more people nodding in sympathy/empathy.

  • http://www.cfekorea.com nayaCasey

    yuna #113, Reminds me of one of the lines from my all-time favorite movie, Prince’s movie Purple Rain:
    “God got Wendy’s periods reversed. About every 28 days she starts acting nice. Lasts about a weekend.”

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    Sperwer, I think you’re in need of a psych evaluation yourself.

    No thanks; I’d rather go down for being immoral or even evil.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #112,

    Of course I was speaking in general terms.
    It seems to me like you’re arguing to win the last word, and that reeks of desperation.

    Read my previous comments again. He comments stem from paranoia, not racism.

  • BlackaneseChick

    I check out her blog from back in June of 2011, and it links that she is indeed MPD (like myself) but who’s to say if she’s lying? As an African-American, if she does have the same disorder that she “claims” to have, then spare her until she gets her (bleep) together, but really, I’m not buying her bull. If this is true, the chick’s access to all accounts and websites she has would not be up. She has officially lost me as a fan for good. I don’t mean to speak bad upon her but I’m surprised she hasn’t been shot yet. >_> Just sayin’.
    She had better have an “mental illness” as she says or I’ll be a mad (bleep) because she’s makin us, who have Multiple Personality Disorder, look extremely bad. Lest us not forget, she made some Koreans look bad, and they’re not. Actually, I’m part Asian (Japanese) and she’s made most look like they feel that way toward African-American.
    I hope Jenny gets her “help” but as of now, she has LOST ALL RESPECT FROM ME AND MY FAMILY.

  • twelvesmoothstones

    Why are we surprised about this? There are some Korean Americans that are so completely creepy, racist and elitist that it curls one’s hair. The fact that she so blithely vomited out this vitriol is simply indicative of how easily (some of) the Korean American community acts like The Nazis reincarnated in that they are the elite race of the Earth. It’s so crrreeeeeepy that it’s difficult to even think about. And it’s so gross how nonchalantly she trashed the whole entire African group of people.

    YUK. I think the “psychotic episode” excuse is COMPLETE BULLSHIT. It’s just the typical Korean habit of not OWNING THEIR SHIT, and taking responsibility for it, like others do when they completely fuck up like this.

    All hail the great Korean race, right Jenny?

    My God, I’m so creeped out, I feel like I just got slimed.
    Need to take a shower.

  • twelvesmoothstones

    And I must say, I’m not sure if she is Korean *American* of not… but what does it matter?

  • rotaryseven

    Something I realized a long long time ago, racism is a form of mental illness, but as far as someone admitting to paranoid schizoidphrenia to excuse making racist comments, I don’t know how this situation is going to play out!

  • Iang nio

    #120 comments and counting…

    Some fascinating debate here…going from one extreme to another… I dare to offer the perspective of someone who’s lived in the US as well as Europe and as a Korean, can completely empathise with jk6411 wherein he states that as a non-white person growing up in the US (or Europe for that matter), one is constantly called names and I might add, we do not necessarily ‘reply’ or retort in like kind…because we are a minority.

    Mental illness (which should be not confused with racism as the last poster seems to convenience themselves to suggest) also only has risen with industrialisation over the last 200 to 300 years. Prior to that, it was either not ‘recognised’ as such (‘hearing voices’ as schizophrenia was more commonly referred to in the past) or ‘simplified’ as being ‘possessed’ (especially during the dark ages and the religious attitude towards women not even having a mind of their own).

    I also think that ‘Freud’ made “mental illness” ‘fashionable’ (…) which is NOT necessarily a good thing, IMHO… That man was a sexist as they come – as ‘f’-d as the patients he ‘treated’.

    America is on extreme ‘grounds’ with its compulsive obsessive attitude towards life in general…be that ‘status’, ‘race’, ‘religion’, ‘sex’, ‘politics’ and the biggest “deal in town” – ca$h, ca$h, ca$h and more of it until you can burn it at your ‘leisure’… It’s a fertile soil to feed neuroses of any colour and ‘orientation’ – which is not to say that this ought be an excuse for this kind of rant.

    Which leads me to the ills of too much communication and technology being mis- and disabused, celebrity mania (obsession) – another neurosis fuelled by Hollywood-La-la-Land and sports right beside it. The number comments here shows to what degree this holds true…

    America is a neurotic place which is one of the reasons I left – if one stays there too long, one becomes as ‘mentally unstable’ (not surprisingly) as the place and environment one finds oneself in. If there is one place that is seriously ‘out of whack’ in more ways than one and feeds into that, getting people easily addicted to OCDs and pharmaceuticals of any kind, America beats the rest of the world hands down.

    The kids are already kept quiet with Retalin and God knows what else. The food is poisoning just eating all that junk food, coke, and ‘nutrition’ chuck full of additives and other chemicals which alter and change neurons in the brain and might actually play a considerable part in unsettling one’s chemical balance. All manner of ‘mental illnesses’ have “sprung up” since Freud ‘invented’ psychoanalysis and while some part of the population might genuinely be mentally ill, a lot of it is propelled’ by the very people that are supposed to alleviate these issues but instead feed their “patients” with drugs up to the eyeballs. Somebody is making money nicely off these people (pharmaceutical mafia, anyone?) – regardless as to whether they are celebs blurting out racial slurs, or are being drugged to death – as was the case with Michael Jackson.

    Could something like that happen in Korea? An Asian guy feeling the ‘need’
    to make himself ‘white’ and go the whole hog – i.e., doing it for ‘real’ like Michael Jackson did?

    America is a very disturbing place and its population & people are a product of their environment. In that respect, too, it is the number one ‘world leader’. Although Hyun’s posts are shocking and not in any fashion to be looked at with all too much misplaced compassion, it does not surprise me. Nothing that comes out of that place with such a screwed up society, surprises me.

    Korea, too, has its problems – more than enough. But I still prefer it to the US. Likewise I prefer Korea to Europe, but I still prefer Europe to the US. It’s too extreme. So one might say that Jenny Hyun is product of an extreme society gone off the rails. Racism isn’t a ‘mental disorder’.

    It’s a much deeper than that… If same race people can kill each other (Rwanda is a prime example of this as is the Japanese colonisation of Korea), it’s isn’t “racism”, it is tribalism – genetically rooted.

    Big difference. Which is not to say it makes any better.

  • YangachiBastardo

    Dude if you think America is obsessed with cash, try H-K or Singapore: they make America look like a cross between a Swedish Social Democrats youth camp and an Orthodox church charity for Ukrainian immigrants…joking aside, your analysis raise some interesting points, i scarcely agree though.

    I’m hardly convinced societal ills in America are particularly bad, comparing to any other developed nation: if you think for instance about the suicide rate, the divorce rate, drug addiction rate etc. etc. the US is nowhere near the top of the OECD.

    And i’m not even sure rural societies are that healthier, my mom family comes from a place (Croatian Dalmatian coast from where they moved to the North East of Italy) that make Alabama 1952 look like a bastion of sophisticated, urban liberalism and they’re basically a bunch of whackjobs.

    So are most people in the area, i mean seriously speaking humans are humans, we show some tendency toward aggression and self-destruction under pretty much any set of circumstances.

    PS

    Denmark leads the world in per capita psychotropic medication consumption

  • Iang nio

    #122 Thank you YB. For clarification’s sake, I’m chicca. Other than that, I get what you’re saying… Maybe I’ve not had the dubious privilege as yet, to hang out in the Northern hemisphere (or should I say, the ‘the Far North’?) but I know from having met quite a few Scandinavians, they know how drink themselves silly what with 6 months out of the year it being winter (at least it used to be – I don’t know what with CO2 emissions, whether that has warmed & ‘lightened up’ somewhat).

    So I take it, you have some degree of fluency in Croatian? Before Yugoslavia was split up (via the usual suspects such as NATO and Slick Willy (…), I visited Bled when I was ten years old. The only thing I remember from that trip was the grottos, ‘Slobovic’ and – ignore my spelling here please… :) – ‘doberdán’.

    “we show some tendency toward aggression and self-destruction under pretty much any set of circumstances”

    Indeed.

    A hunted prey’s worst enemy is not another animal but man himself.

    Mind you, one of the most backward countries in Europe must be Albania… from whence ‘Mother Teresa’ (who everybody must have believed to be Indian, she looked so wrinkly) hailed and running her ‘camps’ with an iron fist rivalling Ceaușescu, her Romanian counterpart…(firm tongue in cheek…). To be honest though, I knew of someone who told me that the ‘Mother’ was a right slave driver, keeping her ‘staff’ on an extremely tight leash. Nobody ever has a halo that doesn’t have a dent here or there.

    Humanity is pretty much screwing itself. So much for ‘saviours’ and ‘saints’ or celebs twittering away their fans.

  • jk6411

    Humanity is pretty much screwing itself. So much for ‘saviours’ and ‘saints’ or celebs twittering away their fans.

    So, what’s keeping you sane and drug-free, Iang?

  • Iang nio

    Meditation, contemplation, awareness, gratitude, appreciation, intuition, listening to the small inner voice that warns one to avoid certain things that are detrimental to one’s well-being.

  • R. Elgin

    The High Priestess by another name.

  • Iang nio

    #126 Mr. Elgin, I take that as a compliment… The Major Arcana’s no. 2 is the ‘moon’ of the pillars, the female principle. :) Balance is key, IMHO…keeping one foot in the material and one foot in the mystical…

  • R. Elgin

    Quod est inferius est sicut quod est superius, et quod est superius est sicut quod est inferius, ad perpetranda miracula rei unius.

    This and wine solve many mysteries. I hope I have enough time though for there is so much wine to drink.

  • Jenine

    I saw Jenny Hyun’s racist tweets towards blacks. Although I should get offended being that I’m half black, I’ll just ignore it because she obviously has a mental illness. She needs all the help she can get with that attitude of hers.

  • Jenine

    I also wanna say that my mother is mentally-ill. I know what it’s like to hear someone say stuff that doesn’t reflect their opinions. We want to get my mom some help, but I don’t know what’s going to happen to her. However, Jenny has the money to get all the help in the world. At this point, that’s the best thing that can happen to her.

  • KJAh

    This is complete bull. This woman may be mentally ill or whatever but that doesn’t excuse her racist idiocy she spewed.  No excuse

  • ChuckRamone

     Do you also feel the same way about the dude who went off on me last week on the subway in New York? Just randomly some dude started saying a bunch of racist stuff to me in a really loud voice. Some people would probably say to me just ignore him, he’s crazy. I started videoing him with my iPhone and he broke out into song. Apparently, he was aware enough to stop ranting once he’s on camera.

  • http://twitter.com/stinklebrink Stinklebrink

    Racism is not a mental illness, it is biologically ingrained into every person. We are genetically programmed to be weary of people who are different than us.