From here:
Is it possible to wear a bikini and sunbathe at Cheonggyecheon? On the 19th, 3 foreign women were captured on film sunbathing in sleeveless t-shirts and bikini tops at Cheonggyecheon. It was a sight never seen in previous years.
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These woman dangling their feet in Cheonggyecheon and laying on the steps enjoying the sunlight brought to mind images of Europe’s rivers. Two of them were having a conversation while wearing short “hot pants” and sleeveless tops while the other was sunbathing in a bikini top. Cheonggyecheon management team revealed, “It’s the first time this year we have seen anyone sunbathing in a bikini.”
How much exposure is possible at Cheonggyecheon? Cheonggyecheon operations’ General Manager said, “It’s possible to sunbathe in shorts and sleeveless t-shirts, but a bikini might be a little more difficult.” Seoul City Ordinance for the Use of Cheonggyecheon is the basis for his statements. It contains contents which prohibit actions that interfere with the wholesome use of Cheonggyecheon and enjoyment of its cultural atmosphere. However, there are no specific regulations regarding sunbathing.
Seoul Plaza also lacks similar regulations. If citizens feel uncomfortable and report the incident a fine of less than 100,000 KRW can be applied administered as a misdemeanor offense. A representative from Seoul City Hall explained that, “Sunbathing in a bikini could be subject to legal action based on the judgment of law enforcement officers.”
However, charging these individuals with a misdemeanor offense is difficult. The Jongno Police Station’s “Lifestyle Order” division said, “Who can determine how much exposure of the body is appropriate? We have a difficult time enforcing laws associated with decency.”
The author goes on to compare the sunbathing cultures in countries like France and Germany with the non-existent sunbathing culture in Iran. Random interviews of Korean citizens find them split on whether or not this type of behavior is appropriate — an indication to me that constant bombardment of flesh in the media (and streets for that matter) has brought a sense of acceptance regarding the human body once previously stifled by conservative elements.
I for one am a big supporter of exposed flesh under the right conditions and wouldn’t mind seeing Korea go the way of Europe.






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What, no pics?
http://blog.naver.com/pssurgeon?Redirect=Log&logNo=40134708573
There was a picture on the feed when I clicked on it, but it wasn’t on the article. But the link above should show you how “scandalous” a situation it was.
If bikini-clad women could fight with old people on the subway, this might be a social issue but its hardly worth thinking about as a cultural issue. A review of the Ministry of Culture and what it considers “culture” is probably more controversial.
The quote from the police official “We have a difficult time enforcing laws associated with decency.” is a bit funny maybe. I wish it wasn’t.
Yeah the blog article I linked with the pictures rails against the media that thought this was such a big deal claiming you can find more risque things a million other places on naver or in Seoul.
White people acting inappropriately in public. Who could imagine?
Still, relative to other Stupid White People Tricks, I think I can get used to this one.
The bikini tops I can understand because it’s generally against local social norms for women (and men) to walk around without a shirt on, but the part of discussion about wearing 짧은 하의 in public caused me to raise an eyebrow. I can’t swing my dick in this country without hitting a girl wearing something dangerously-short. “Hot pants” are to the Korean woman as the burqa is to the Afghan.
I’m all for chicks wearing bikinis at places like 청계천 if they clearly look like they can do business wearing a bikini. If you look good, wear away and don’t mind me stealing glances. If not, Seoul’s finest needs to throw the book at said individuals.
Looking at the picture, the girl in the bikini top shouldn’t be hit with anything. The girl in black, I’m not so sure. Would have to look closer. The girl white, I probably would charge with some misdemeanor. She a little on the chunky side. And chunky in the wrong sort of way.
The horror!
which reminds me , looks like the sun has done a runner again!
@Charles Tilly, if the fashion police are doing the arresting, they’ll be too busy going through Myeongdong to bother with anyone at Cheonggyecheon.
The Cheonggyecheon management is probably just surprised at someone wanting to be in the sun. People are dipping their feet in the water under the bridge, kids splash in the water near the beginning, and so on. There’s room, they’re not disturbing anyone, and a girl wearing the same coverage of clothing is in no position to say the foreigner is showing ‘too much’.
[ It was a sight never seen in previous years.]
Load of crock.
I have old photographs of Koreans swimming nude in the Hangang (river) from the 1950′s at Yeouido.
I read stories from older Koreans (who wrote the stories when the Cheonggyecheon was being refurbished/renovated) state how when they were kids/teenagers they would go swimming and fishing in the Cheonggyecheon during the 40′s/50′s (probably in the nude too).
CT @ 7 is right on target. This is only OK if the gals have a nice rack.
DLB
Fine the girls on the left and right – give the middle one an award.
Evidence please! (Purely for research purposes of course)
Let’s prevent the ugly while promoting beauty.
The women who want to wear bikini in public should present themselves at the city hall’s Beauty Judgment Bureau. There, someone who looks like me, will work hard to give the certificate of Public Beauty to deserving females. Females only! The certificate is effective only for two years, comes in three grades, BaBaBoom, Average and Passing.
Shall we also bring back the wholesome “good ole days” of Chosun Korea when commoner-class women who had recently given birth to sons proudly exposed their breasts to show that they were playing the role of good Confucian mother, constantly nursing beloved boys?
Is there also any difference between this and the half-shirt girl from World Cup who ended up a celebrity because she was Korean and exposed her
abdomen?
신윤복 lookout!!!
The certificate will be issued in both English and Korean. So, the Korean counterpart of the grades are
1)BaBaBoom: 쭉쭉빵빵
2)Average: 다소 양호
3)Passing: 하자 없음
The office of Beauty Judgment Bureau will also house a small desk where a certified plastic surgeon can sit. For those females who fail, the doctor will immediately present an estimation of cost, for which Korean government will subsidize 15% ( to enhance the sight and viewability of Seoul to foreigners).
However, if this amount exceeds 1000,000 won, the offer is withdrawn and the female is termed “condemned” and Korean government has no obligation to subsidize.
There is only so much a government can do.
there’s the baduk we all know and love.
I think we’re being way too tough on the blond on the left.
I’m with Robert. Also if anyone knows those girls encourage them to get a lawyer and sue every paper that used their face without permission.
Contrary to what some men may imagine, this “Beauty Judge” job is highly stressful. The position makes an individual be exposed to all levels of sub-standard body form and just plain ugliness. In addition they have to suffer the anger of rejected applicants including unrelenting haggling and threats of bodily harm.
Within one year, even healthy heterosexual males start having homosexual fantasies. Mental stress are known to drive some to suicide
The comments frequently heard on the hallway include “Is she qualified to appear in city street, let alone in bikini?”, “Who did her mother sleep with, a gorilla?”, “She used industrial-strength paint on her face”, etc.
Eventually, Seoul had to hire female Beauty Inspectors. Many women who have previously certified “Average” or better can apply for this position. However, many applicants complained that they should be qualified because they are more beautiful than inspectors.
The complaints poured in. And, city politicians finally decided to hire monks as the final judge of beauty. They thought these monks would be fair to applicants.
They were wrong! These monks, who have been celibate for long time, passed every applicants – even ones with unspeakable ugliness. For them, every woman was beautiful.
Then, the city engineers got involved. They raised objection to the whole certification process for being too personal and subjective. They insisted the city set up “measurable” standard of beauty.
Men pulled their hairs. How can you measure beauty? Then a genius, who look much like me, spoke up.
“Gentleman, what is beauty? It is attractiveness – an animal attraction, so to speak. I am talking about basic human instinct and genetic DNA. It is how we are programmed. Most basic attraction! Measuring? Not to hard!”
He suggested the following levels of female beauty:
1)Bababoom: No need for stimulant. The inspector will sleep with her on sight.
2)Average: No need for mind-altering drug (alcohol). The inspector will sleep with her when aroused through visual or physical stimulation.
3)Passing: The inspector will need alcohol, but not exceeding more than one bottle of 50 proof liquor.
4) Rejected: No amount specified but general a case of hard liquor is assumed.
With this quantitative standard of measurement, most applicants were easily classified.
Fine the girls on the left and right – give the middle one an award.
Go see the photography exhibit at the floating banpdaegyo islands (if still there)
Though will likely remain of research interest only since the naked ones seem to be carefree youngsters of the male variety.
Of course, men are not machines. And, several cases of negligence have been reported.
Example 1: An inspector who recently split with his long time girl friend gave Bababoom rating when the applicant is a plain Passing. He has been discovered to have sent the applicant an email asking her out.
Example 2: A recently-divorced inspector gave Rejected rating to a candidate who was obviously Bababoom class to all other inspectors. Going through harsh divorce process changed the man. He later turned into a bi-sexual.
It is not surprising. Men are affected by circumstances. Men, who have been released from prison, are known to mate with “condemned” applicants. A week later, they do not.
Given that one of them is waving at the camera, they’ll have a hard time arguing that they did not give permission to be photographed. Plus, it’s hard to argue that sort of thing regarding photographs taken in public places, and you don’t get much more public than the Cheonggyecheon.
Hoju Saram,
Evidence as requested.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/65669919@N06/?donelayout=1
@ maybe in the US, but not in korea
Yes, even in Korea:
http://ejung.blog.seoul.co.kr/112
I’m no lawyer, but having had some experience with this particular issue, I can tell you the photo of one of them waving won’t help if they take legal action.
Robert -
I think the difference perhaps is that these photos weren’t being used to discuss another issue (protests, etc.) while incidentally featuring their faces but rather criticizing them and accusing them of wrong doing in articles about them. If that’s not defamation then I don’t know what is.
With age i’ve learned to respect the role of law enforcement, but if i’d ever know the judicial and the police force lost time and money on something like this, that would be the time i’d be tempted to throw rocks at the nearest police station
I just stumbled across this on Korean Yahoo. Not only did has this girl lost her dignity, somehwere along the line she lost her derriere too.
I’ve heard of ass-less chaps, but this is an ass-less chapette!
Arghaeri #25:
I think that looks like men only bathing to me. No mixed bathing, sadly.
re: # 12, 22 & 25
The (nude people swimming in the Han photos exhibit of photographs taken of the river during the mid-1950s and early 1960s) on display at floating banpdaegyo island (Seonyudo Park), have been on display for a couple of years – I don’t think they will ever be taken down.
I have very similar photos plus extra, (including nude Korean females swimming with the men) and also showing Koreans playing basketball nude in the park from the 60′s, but don’t wish to put them on the internet (Marmots Hole has already shown a couple of the photos here – http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/09/23/a-look-at-the-hans-past/ )
What I was getting at it the writer of the article wrote ….. [ It was a sight never seen in previous years.]
Its rubbish because it was a common summer sight 50+ years ago in Seoul.
Indeed as I noted at #22, as far as recall other photos did show women bathing also but in relatively voluminous 50′s swimming costumes.
Pretty clever since the floating island hasn’t been there that long.
That was innocent koreans, not nasty corrupting furriners…
I said [a couple of years }
Robert Neff posted some of the pics on Naver in 2008
http://blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?blogId=topazace&logNo=80056209583
(2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 = a couple of years)
( Seonyudo Park Exhibit)
Let’s compare sunbathing vs. what kinds of moves are shown on kPOP concerts. And kPop artists can reveal provocative moves on tv and video? And that’s not a problem? Woah.
I’m pretty surprised that sunbathing in this city is looked down upon. Never would have guessed especially in a city in South Korea.
Fortunately, the scandalized Korean gentleman may vent his moral outrage the very same evening with the country girl he’s paying to pour his drinks and suck him off.
Sunbathing is a sin John 3:45
So is being faggot like yourself apparently:
re# 40
*** There is NO John 3:45
In the gospel of John, chapter 3, it only goes up to verse 36 (John 3:1 ~ 3:36)
re#41 OH My! Telling a falsehood against another man = death penalty?
Throw them all in the slammer for the crimes of soiling the sacred, pure, unadulturated waters of the Cheonggyecheon; for corrupting the young, innocent local maidens with their outlandlish western clothing and fashion; and for tempting the good, wholesome, Christian young men of Seoul with impure thoughts and desires of the flesh. May Jesus have mercy on their souls.
Sorry TF, not unadulturated, the natural stream was seasonal, the waters of Cheongyecheon are for the most part pumped from the Hangang, treated and then pumped to the current “head” of the Cheongyecheon.
@27
Robert: your link is unrevealing. In korea, i think in part it depends on the tenor of the complaint, whether for invasion of privacy or defamation. And the fact of the wave can allways be explained away by a lawyer as waving someone off. Of course in the case of
barbariansforeigners there always is the likelihood korean judges will adopt the principle that thae have no privacy or repuation that merits protection under korean law, ie law of, by and for (only) koreans.Man, people in Seoul sure are uptight. You can see people walking down the streets of Pusan in far more revealing outfits. Sure, there’s the beach, but still…Ironic.
PS. These ladies really show sue the newspapers.
If you had been treated by the view of 100+ German bellies roasting on a Croatian island beach, you’d hold different views…i’ll readily admit the Korean equivalent should be much easier on the eyes
Regarding 초상권침해, whether a person is in a public space or is aware of being photographed has nothing to do with it. Someone at an amusement park can wave into the camera thinking the photographer is an innocuous tourist, but then find their picture in a tourism brochure promoting something they never heard of — their cognizance of being photographed has nothing to do with anything.
And in the end, the issue is fuzzy and open to much legal debate, which is what I think your link pointed out. And at the end of the day, the right to sue you for damages is contained in 민법 (civil law), and the sole legal basis for doing so lies in the fact that their 초상(facial image) has been published. If someone decides to sue a photographer, it doesn’t matter where they are — the right to privacy being given up because of where they are (i.e. a public place) is American law — it doesn’t exist in Korean law that way.
In the end, the right to sue comes from the fundamental right to privacy as explicitly outlined in the Korean constitution, which transmits down through the concept of 초상권 (the right to control the image of one’s face), and place, permission, or any of that doesn’t matter. For example, I could even get permission from someone to take their picture, but then they could sue me later if “harm” (the 침해 or 손해) results to them or they just plain change their mind. In the end, it’s civil law, and they can just sue you if they want. Doesn’t mean they’ll win, but if you took someone’s picture for a news story and they are the focus of a national controversy, especially one that casts them in a negative light, not only would that look pretty much like a slam dunk case of your photograph causing harm to their privacy in Korea, but there’s room to sue in the American case, as well.
For example, you could take a picture of a couple giving their kid an ice cream cone at the local county fair on a Sunday afternoon to accompany a story such as “Local Bostonians Enjoy A Sunny Sunday” and you’d be pretty safe in the States. They were in a public place, no casting in a “negative light” and no commercial use. Clean and simple. But use that same picture, with perhaps a pudgy kid, to run with the story “Are American Parents Feeding Their Kids to Death?” and you’d have a lawsuit on your hands.
And this seems like a pretty clear example of the latter.
Also worth pointing out is the obvious fact that none of them, save perhaps partially the girl on the right, is wearing a “bikini.” So there’s that.
And it looks like the photographer, who probably shot off dozens of shots on his motor drive, picked the one that looked the most innocuous, with their faces showing the least. All of their faces are in profile, and all have sunglasses on, at least in the shot that’s on the main page that I am looking at. As a photographer who’s had to deal with this from my own blogs to Korean newspaper and magazine editors, I can guarantee you that the photographer thought about this. Because the real issue here, were he sued, would be whether their faces are even recognizable enough to constitute something that resulted in specific, concrete, demonstrable harm, which the plaintiff has to show to win anything real, in real life.
So Robert, they can 1) sue all they want, whether seemingly valid a case or not, and 2) actually, I think the girls here would have a case, not only in Korea, but in the US. I’m no lawyer, of course, but from a photographer’s perspective, I’d be worried about not having their permission and running a story that not only is casting them in a negative light, but actively instigating the negativity — they’re not reporting on say, an incident that resulted from them wearing the bikinis, like a fight broke out, people gathered, and it was an organic issue. Then, it’d actually be just reporting the news, and I wouldn’t be worried. But snapping some “bikini”-clad (that’d also be an issue) women and then running a story on “Should They Be Punished?” — I think even the editor of the local fish wrapper gazette in Nowhere, USA would hestitate with that one.
And in the Korean case, their privacy, and how much it was or wasn’t violated in terms of 초상권 is the only issue. Their consent or place is fairly irrelevant, all other things considered.
#48,
Exactly. They started threading in dangerous waters when they decided to accompany the pictures with that article.
PS. Notice how the Mud Festival uses (or at least they did last year) the picture of a young lady wearing poorly photoshoped sunglasses in their promotional brochures and billboards?
http://youtu.be/sMlLuUdWung if he can get all morally outraged about those pictures of the cheonggyecheon girls (and get cheap page hits while he’s at it) maybe I’ll write a puritan-tinged rant about this video http://youtu.be/sMlLuUdWung which i’ve been seeing everywhere I go lately.
roboseyo: Psy oriiginal version of the song is much better and the Caribbean Bay video of last year was much better too
YangachiBastardo nails it.
In more ways than one. Hey-oh!
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