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This white guy’s best friend is his Korean mother-in-law

I debated whether or not to post this wondering how relevant it was.  However, given that he said his Korean mother-in-law was his “best friend” and the fact that some here are not Korean but have married into a Korean family I though, why not?  Maybe some readers can relate?

(Image from The New Yorker)

Meet Ben Ryder Howe, self-described New England WASP (who’s ancestors’ stepped off the Mayflower) and contributing writer to The New Yorker and The Atlantic.  Ten years ago, he was an editor at the once well regarded (and now defunct) Paris Review.  Married to a Korean-American lawyer, he decided to get into business with his wife and mother-in-law to open a (gasp!) deli and convenience store in New York City.  For eight years he went through the trials and tribulations of being an owner of a “Korean” deli while he worked full time at the Paris Review.  Afterwards, Ben wrote a book about his experiences as a “Korean” deli owner that’s currently making the review rounds.

Interesting interview at The New York Times Style Magazine blog:

[Question] How did your parents react when they found out you bought a convenience store?

[Answer] I am from Newton, Mass. My parents are New Englanders. They were really excited and interested when they heard that Gab [my wife] and I bought the store. They could not have been more open-minded. However, to them, living with Gab’s family was kind of odd — a step backward. But for me, I learned that I like living with a large family. Kay [my mother-in-law] is my best friend and I spend more time with her than anyone else … even Gab!

The man ran a labor intensive deli/convenience store, worked crazy hours with a Korean mom hovering over him all the time.  I’m amazed Ben was able to keep his sanity.

Ben considers himself an “honorary” Korean.  Sure, why not?  He’s certainly earned it the hard way.

  • 8675309

    This is the most improbable bunch of garbage I’ve ever heard, but as a master spinmeister, he certainly has a way of recasting reality.

    For starters, not only is it highly unlikely that someone like him just up and “bought the store” for his in-laws.

    A more likely story is that his KA wife went dutch with her parents by putting in her life savings (thus, ‘our money’) for a downpayment on the store, so her parents — and husband — could have something to do in their/his retirement.

    Second, it is very un-American for a guy of his age and background to be squirreling away cash like a filial Asian girl would for her parents — let alone for the in-laws.

    Also, as a starving contributing writer and ‘editor-at-large’ for a now defunct magazine of dubious titleage, it is quite apparent that he didn’t “decide to get into business with his wife and mother-in-law to open a (gasp!) deli and convenience store in New York City,” as he so alleges.

    More likely, his wife and mother-in-law concocted this idea to gangpress him into the family business invariably so they wouldn’t have to lose face in the community vis-a-vis being another one of those Korean families with a waegook-slacker-house-husband sitting around all day in his boxers surfing the web and playing solitaire on the computer, while the women of the family go to work.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    I’ve read about him before. He’s a writer. He’s drawing attention to himself because he wants to write a book, which is the raison d’etre of the deli. He no doubt plans to make his money in publishing, not deokboggi.

  • 8675309

    In other words, he’s a little attention hound and publicity whore.

    And I have to disagree — his raison d’etre is not the deli.

    His actual reason for being is to propogate this fanciful idea of himself as a culturally sensitive, caring and filial son-in-law, whose New England work ethic, blue-blooded pluck, WASPy ingeniousness and sacrificial work saves a pathetic and helpless immigrant Korean family from poverty by “buying them” a convenience store.

    This of courses belies the fact that his KA wife and mother-in-law are the ones who bought the store with their hard earned money, and it is they — an immigrant family — who are in fact saving him — a descendant of the Mayflower — from a life of ennui, chronic unemployment and emasculating uselessness in the New New Economy.

  • http://bensmatrix.info ElCanguro

    Aren’t you a little ray of sunshine, 867… and with a vivid imagination to match your judgemental nature.

  • JG29A

    “Gab’s family seems comfortable banging from decision to decision, but I’m more circumspect. I come from an academic family, and we like to think things through – then think about whether the process of thinking them through was as thorough as it could be, then write a book about it. (A book that takes twenty years.)”

    Oh, God. I don’t want Jenny Jenny to be right, but God.

  • seouldout

    He doesn’t look like any WASP I was reared with, and I’ve never seen him at any of the meetings. From the looks of him the pool was tainted a generation or two ago. I suspect the father was an Eastern European defector who was third chair clarinet for the NY Philharmonic.

    And WASP charity isn’t buying FOBs delis. Where’s the ball for that?

  • RMS2279

    Just a nitpick, but the Paris Review is far from defunct: http://www.theparisreview.org/.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    @#2 – “his raison d’etre is not the deli” – that’s what I meant. The deli is his future writing’s raison d’etre.

  • silver surfer

    “he decided to get into business with his wife and mother-in-law to open a (gasp!) deli and convenience store”

    “They were really excited and interested when they heard that Gab [my wife] and I bought the store”

    1. Nowhere does it say he “bought the store” for his in-laws, as 867 phrases it. The actual quotes are above.
    2. We don’t know exactly who paid for how much, but it’s hardly unusual for Korean son-in-laws to receive help setting up.
    3. He had a full time job in any case so he wouldn’t have been a house-husband.
    4. Is there actually a plague of “waegook-slacker-house-husband”s infesting the Korean community or is it just the hornets’ nest in 867′s head?

  • CactusMcHarris

    #4,

    He’s just being his cheerful self. When you want to open your wrists with rusty sheetmetal, in a literary sort of way, just read his posts. I think he mentioned it all started with him being brought up in Eastern Europe, perhaps in a high-sulfur-coal mine, and fed natto smuggled in by North Korean agents, but I could be mistaken.

  • WeikuBoy

    ” … another … waegook-slacker-house-husband sitting around all day in his boxers surfing the web and playing solitaire on the computer, while the women of the family go to work.”

    You say that like it’s a bad thing.

  • http://cheotokento.wordpress.com Cheoto カンチョ

    Why did he have to move in with his parent-in-laws?

    Did they have to sell their own apartment to buy the deli?

    It is a step backwards.

    I don’t think he has much of a right to call himself an “honory Korean” either.

    That would mean every foreigner who marries a Korean-American or a Korean-Canadian and opens a Korean bimbimbap shop can call themselves honory Koreans.

    Don’t know how he persuaded the OP to post his story here – but it does just look like advertising for his book – which I am not interested in purchasing.

  • http://www.eslwriting.org rockon

    Guest posting has taken a bit of a hit on the MH. A guy who works in a convenience store in the US? To suggest it’s a human interest story is to stretch the meaning of interest.

  • http://cheotokento.wordpress.com Cheoto カンチョ

    Why did he have to move in with his parent-in-laws?

    Did they have to sell their own apartment to buy the deli?

    It is a step backwards.

    I don’t think he has much of a right to call himself an “honorary Korean” either.

    That would mean every foreigner who marries a Korean-American or a Korean-Canadian and opens a Korean bimbimbap shop can call themselves honorary Koreans.

    Don’t know how he persuaded the OP to post his story here – but it does just look like advertising for his book – which I am not interested in purchasing.

  • http://cheotokento.wordpress.com Cheoto カンチョ

    sorry. I double clicked. (thats why two posts) – the site seems to be going slow – so I thought I had to click again.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    Some of his ancestors were on the Mayflower…How special…Mine were sitting on the shore, waiting to greet them.

  • 8675309

    Listen up gents, I’m only going to say this once. You marry a respectable Korean girl, especially a KA girl of modest, immigrant means — who is/was NOT some kind of prostitute/juicy girl/GI whore or penniless orphan — and you marry into the secret world of Korean women’s financing, 99.9% of which goes on behind the scenes of the community, and behind the backs of their husbands.

    Even if you, as a man married to a Korean woman, think that you *control* your family’s finances and financial destiny, please be advised that for most average Korean and Korean-American families of modest — but respectable –means, this is rarely the case. Even among the communites of respectable Korean women married to U.S. servicemen in CONUS military communities like Killeen, TX/Ft. Hood, etc. there are underground networks of Korean women’s financing among established and closely knit Korean women, which are invariably beyond the purview and knowledge of their hubbies.

    These exclusive circles, many of which are based on hometown, school alumni affiliations, blood, and church ties — where new members must be vetted and vouched for by longstanding senior members — have been used for centuries in rural Korean villages, and currently, to provide start-up cash or emergency loans for everything from downpayments on businesses/homes, tuition for childrens’ education, paying back debts, etc.

    That said, if this little bullshit artist named “Ben Ryder Howe” was really being truthful in how a WASPy magazine editor somehow fell from grace and found himself living in his Korean parent-in-laws’ basement on Staten Island — and in the unlikely position of working at a Korean-owned convenience store — he would’ve entitled his tome: How my Korean wife and Mother-In-Law Saved My Ass from a Career of Ennui, Chronic Unemployment and Emasculating Uselessness in the New New Economy.

    Gye-t it?

  • 8675309

    #16:

    “Mine were sitting on the shore, waiting to greet them.”

    LOL! It’s true, isn’t it? (I almost thought you said ‘eat them’ instead of “greet them.”)

  • http://midnightengineer.wordpress.com/ NetizenKim

    Good. I’m gonna get a gun and go rob that deli.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    867 and NK,

    I don’t know what you guys are so upset about. Here’s a guy who comes from so-called “white privilege” and essentially gives up some of that to work in the trenches that many of our parents fought and/or continue to fight through. Have you two ever spent a decent amount of time working for one of these hole-on-the wall shops or small businesses? It’s hard, thankless (and sometimes dangerous) work. He did it… for 8 shitty years. Somehow, he still kept a sunny attitude. How many of us offspring of North American Korean community can say that (outside of summer or winter breaks every now and then)?

    Howe sounds like a total pushover and he’s got no man-balls for letting his wife and mother-in-law treat him like a white coolie, but he’s still got my respect.

  • slim

    The Amazon reviews are very good. I’d be sure to have read the book before dissing it so violently.

  • http://www.wm3.org/Updates iheartblueballs

    I don’t know what you guys are so upset about.

    You really don’t know what NK is upset about? How many more years will it take for you to figure that out? Is his track record not pretty clear by this point? Is there really some mystery regarding his long history of taking his sexual frustration, personal failures, and rejection by Korean women out on some random white dudes who succeeded where he failed?

    Not really a head-scratcher if you know what I mean.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    What I don’t get is that he acts so freak’in gangsta, but his favorite hobby appears to be candle making.

    I suppose candle making can be gangsta… Mike Tyson did love raising pigeons.

  • 8675309

    wk:
    You don’t get it do you? I couldn’t care less about his line of work, b/c I know from personal experience as a night-shift assistant manager in a convenience store right by frat row during college and in one of the worst parts of downtown what a tough job it is. My point is that his book — vis-a-vis its title — and his characterization of things in the aforementioned feature articles, specifically, that he (and his wife) “bought the store for his in-laws” is pure tripe. (You know in your heart-of-hearts that this is bullshit, what with a pittance of a salary he invariably made as a “contributing writer” we already know that his contribution was most probably an afterthough in comparison to his wife’s salary as an attorney.)

    Also, knowing that Korean women do most of the financing and the credit extending in buying k-type business in the KA community, his characterization of things as him as the chief financier and wunderkind business genius is not only highly improbable, but disingenuous as can be assumed by the way he titled his book: My Korean Deli: How I Risked My Career and Mortgaged My Future for a Convenience Store. BULLSHIT!!

    (Most likely, it was the other way around, and if he were telling the truth, the book should’ve been titled, as I said previously: “How my Korean wife and Mother-In-Law Saved My Ass from a Career of Ennui, Chronic Unemployment and Emasculating Uselessness in the New New Economy.”)

  • Granfalloon

    Paris Review isn’t exactly a hack rag. It’s arguably the most respected literary journal in the US. Every writer I know would give his left leg to have a job with them. “Chronic Unemployment” my ass.

    Well, anyway, it’d be nice if anyone had actual facts about the finances of the deli operation, instead of conjecture, accusation, and not-even-thinly-veiled gyopo rage. It took me seven seconds on Google to look at his publication history. “Chronic Unemployment and Emasculating Uselessness” are not exactly the words I would use. Unless of course I was illiterate, in which case a prolific job as a writer might look like doing nothing.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #25,

    Yeah, it certainly sounds like the guy has a hefty resume. I’m no expert in American literature and I knew of the Paris Review.

    My guess is that part of the reason he got into that business is because it gave him the material he needed to write the kind of book he had always wanted to, in this case it appears it was something quirky, humorous, and original. Just look at that picture. How can you not smile?

  • http://www.wm3.org/Updates iheartblueballs

    Paris Review isn’t exactly a hack rag. It’s arguably the most respected literary journal in the US. Every writer I know would give his left leg to have a job with them. “Chronic Unemployment” my ass.

    Your facts and logic are no match against unhinged speculation, stereotypes, and a wilfull misrepresentation of Howe’s employment history.

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    knowing that Korean women do most of the financing and the credit extending in buying k-type business in the KA community, his characterization of things as him as the chief financier and wunderkind business genius is not only highly improbable, but disingenuous

    How is this different from the thousands of adjossi salarymen who lost their jobs in the aftermath of ’97-98 and who then claimed “ownership” – in all senses of the word – of the many successful businesses actually created and grown by their wives, often in the multi-level marketing sector in Korea, in the teeth of fierce opposition by same ajosshis. Unlike the latter, I suspect that, whatever his writerly agenda for participating in the convenience store business, Howe doesn’t spend his time riding around to golf courses in fancy cars while bragging about a business that is all his partner’s doing.

  • dogbertt

    Gabe?

  • 8675309

    Let’s get one thing straight. America’s mom-and-pop type convenience stores and small businesses in the inner city are run by first-generation immigrant types — usually recent Korean immigrants, Indians, Pakistanis, Middle Easterners, and Eastern Europeans from former Soviet-bloc countries.

    As a rule, WASPy, blue-blooded, descended-from-the-Mayflower types do not own or operate mom-and-pop corner stores in gritty, dirty and dangerous low-rent urban hoods, let alone buy into them.

    For them, the “family business” — if it isn’t running America — is living a life of leisurely pursuits and token employment funded by well-endowed irrevocable trusts to direct and guide them for the rest of their lives.

    Now somewhere along the line, Ben Ryder Howe — who obviously is no trust-funder — either fell off the boat forcing him to escape to his Korean in-laws basement on Staten Island, or he’s a true literary genius who’s channeling Hunter S. Thompson with a highly satirical roman à clef intent on reviving the whole Gonzo journalism genre. Take your pick.

  • Granfalloon

    “either fell off the boat forcing him to escape to his Korean in-laws basement on Staten Island, or he’s a true literary genius who’s channeling Hunter S. Thompson”

    No, we don’t have to pick between two extremes just because you say so (although if I had to, I’d take the latter . . . dude’s had a writing career that any scribbler would envy, and I imagine the Paris Review doesn’t hire just anybody). Howe is a writer looking for an experience that would expand his outlook, basically so he can write a book about it. I do not understand why this is so hard to grasp, because writers do this ALL THE TIME. The idea of a writer in a cushy job suddenly quitting and embracing blue collar life isn’t even a particularly original one:
    http://www.amazon.com/Nickel-Dimed-Undercover-Low-wage-America/dp/1862075212/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1300421416&sr=8-3
    And that’s only the most famous, recent example. There are plenty of others.
    But if you want to pretend that every time a white person sneezes, he’s trying to infect the world with smallpox, go right ahead. Everyone needs a machine to rage against, even if it only exists in their own mind.

  • 8675309

    Calm down, grandfalloon. I didn’t say any of that, and I resent your racial conjecture and accusations. Like I said before, I’m simply taking exception to the dubious titling of his book and the unbelievable allegation of his that he somehow saved his Korean in-laws. All the evidence, however, suggests quite the opposite.

  • JG29A

    Jenny, to me at least, you’re making a lot of sense here. But I guess we all bring our own biases to this guy, and mine are basically sick of this whole extended “writerly” (as opposed to properly academic or journalistic) nonfiction genre. Give me a documentary, oral interviews with real immigrant shopkeepers, without this douchey fish-out-of-water filter. Meh.

  • yuna

    My Fat Greek Wedding. My Korean Deli, same diff.

    It’s an alien world for me, the US of A. I tried to watch Song Hyekyo’s awful awful US film (it’s not really her fault) debut called Fetish, where she marries a kyopo. The guy who played the neighbour (Austrian) was the guy most I identified with the most.

    Even Michio Kaku seems as alien as Captain Sulu.

  • yuna

    take one most away.

  • http://midnightengineer.wordpress.com/ NetizenKim

    867 and NK,

    I don’t know what you guys are so upset about.

    I’m not upset about anything. Just look at this dork. Easy target.

  • http://midnightengineer.wordpress.com/ NetizenKim

    My Fat Greek Wedding. My Korean Deli, same diff.

    It’s an alien world for me, the US of A. I tried to watch Song Hyekyo’s awful awful US film (it’s not really her fault) debut called Fetish, where she marries a kyopo. The guy who played the neighbour (Austrian) was the guy most I identified with the most.

    Even Michio Kaku seems as alien as Captain Sulu.

    Yuna, even though you’re British and probably wield a carefully cultivated exterior of snotty, exotic Asian-Brit chick complete with the obligatory accent, despite the emotional freakshow that is your inner life, you have one thing in common with us Asian-Americans: sappy, existentially depressed, humorless, navel-gazing identity crisis. It’s a goddamn cliché.

    If you persist in wallowing in this crap, you’re gonna end up like that fag-hag Margeret Cho. Not a pretty sight.

    If you were a guy, I would simply beat the living shit out of you. But since you’re a chick, I would merely suggest that perhaps what you most need is to be fucked hard by my big fat kyopo cock to therapeutically induce a much needed dose of mental clarity.

  • yuna

    I must say, I deserved that.

    But all the same, call it trans-Atlantic culture shock or trans-Pacific or whatever, you guys (American kyopos) do seem very alien to me. Maybe it’s the slack-jawed way of speaking.

  • yuna

    OOps, I looked up the term “slackjaw”- it’s an insult, when I thought it was just a description. Sorry.

  • http://midnightengineer.wordpress.com/ NetizenKim

    …guys (American kyopos) do seem very alien to me.

    When I was a boy, I grew up in the Bronx. I was the only Asian kid surrounded by aggressive black and hispanic motherfuckers as far as the eye can see. That can fuck up one’s character in both good and bad ways. I’m pretty tough but I’m also a bit of a lone wolf. I’m about as “alien” as it gets. I can’t communicate with momma’s boys like Wangkon who prolly grew up in the nice suburbs. Many kyopo guys are like that.

    When I was in grade school, my nickname was “Bruce Lee”. One day, in the street, I saw my sister being harrassed and called racial slurs by three boys. Immediately, felt this white hot rage boiling inside me and attacked one of the boys, knocking him down to the ground. The other boy jumped in and I bit him the face, making him scream and bleed. The last boy saw all this, got scared and ran away.

    The next thing I know, word got out that there’s this crazy Chinese kid who knows “martial arts”. There was only one “Chinese kid” and that was me.

  • yuna

    Give me a sec, just getting my violin out of the case..

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    NK,

    I grew up in a hispanic heavy suburban area. Surprise, surprise! But it wasn’t a heavy urban area, where the streets were really rough. There were a lot of gang bangers in my Jr. High though. I was the studious nerd Asian kid but the vatos and eses left me alone. Sometimes they even asked me for homework help. Not all vatos wanna gang bang the rest of their lives and, more importantly, nobody wants to feel stupid. Plus, one of my friend’s cousins was the biggest vato in my Jr. High. Some ese named “Chopper”. My buddy, who was a nerdy hispanic kid, assured me that no one would mess with us. There are other ways to avoid fights. One does not necessarily need to volunteer a fist in one’s face (or kidneys or liver) to prove how “tough” one is.

    However, I am a blue belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and a 2A level at Muay Thai, so if one ever insisted on starting something…

  • yuna

    Sometimes they even asked me for homework help.

    여기서 빵 터짐..

  • http://midnightengineer.wordpress.com/ NetizenKim

    Give me a sec, just getting my violin out of the case..

    So what makes you special besides being a snarky tart?

  • resident kyopo

    But since you’re a chick, I would merely suggest that perhaps what you most need is to be fucked hard by my big fat kyopo cock to therapeutically induce a much needed dose of mental clarity.

    LOL this guy is a psychoanalyst’s dream come true.

  • http://www.wm3.org/Updates iheartblueballs

    NK: But since you’re a chick, I would merely suggest that perhaps what you most need is to be fucked hard by my big fat kyopo cock to therapeutically induce a much needed dose of mental clarity.

    Yuna: I must say, I deserved that.

    You poor thing. No one, and I mean no one, deserves that.

    Sonagi is currently kicking herself for passing on such a fine gentleman.

  • http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

    Who knew that a dude working in a deli could inspire such vitriol? Whatever the guy’s motivations, and wherever the $20,000 came from, 8 years working in the deli gives him at least a little bit of credibility in my book.

    Not that I’ll be buying his. Amazon reviews say it’s pedestrian.

    Netizen: I’m pretty tough but I’m also a bit of a lone wolf.

    I know I shouldn’t poke fun, but this almost made me piss my pants.

  • dogbertt

    When I was a boy, I grew up in the Bronx. I was the only Asian kid surrounded by aggressive black and hispanic motherfuckers as far as the eye can see.

    I wonder why your father chose to move his family from Korea to the Bronx. I mean, even in the mid-’80s, when your family fled Korea, there were enough kyopos here to supply intelligence to the folks back home in Korea about life in the U.S. and where Koreans congregated and where they didn’t. Surely, most Koreans who emigrated knew better than to move the Bronx, which is why you were the only Asian child there.

    That’s a pretty stupid move on his part; staying there so long was even dumber.

  • dogbertt

    The other boy jumped in and I bit him the face

    And that’s a dick move, even for you. You fight like a girl.

  • http://midnightengineer.wordpress.com/ NetizenKim

    The quality of the peanut gallery insults around here has gone downhill. I’m really disappointed in all of you.

    yuna, I asked you a question. I expect an answer.

  • Sonagi

    NK: But since you’re a chick, I would merely suggest that perhaps what you most need is to be fucked hard by my big fat kyopo cock to therapeutically induce a much needed dose of mental clarity.

    Yuna: I must say, I deserved that.

    Eeww. Just Eeww. Lady Chatterly’s Loveresque prose between K-blog commenters. I’d rather be forced to read every incoherent word frothed out by the crazy poo flinger than more of this mess.

  • http://www.wm3.org/Updates iheartblueballs

    I think it imperative that you change your user name to bigfatkyopocock, with an avatar of a cocktail weenie.

  • http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    NetizenKim – Did you really need to put it that way? Jesus.

  • αβγδε

    What do you suppose the chances are that said white guy will be reading/has read this ridiculously childish comments thread?

  • WeikuBoy

    I’m not sure which is more disturbing: NutizenKim’s ugly comment, Robert’s allowing said comment (and said commenter) to stand, or Yuna’s saying that she deserved it. (The victimizing ajosshi; the expat reluctant to condemn behavior he would condemn in his countrymen, and the it’s-all-my-fault Korean female victim.) Hmm.

  • http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

    To be fair, I don’t think Yuna is playing victim – she doesn’t seem to be that type. She just decided against wrestling with the pig.

  • http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/ jefferyhodges

    Netizen Kim (#19) snarked:

    “Good. I’m gonna get a gun and go rob that deli.”

    I had to laugh out loud at that, it just struck me as funny.

    But NK, from your comment to Yuna, I gather you’ve already got a ‘piss-tol’, so no need for another gun. Just use that thing at the deli.

    Jeffery Hodges

    * * *

  • yuna

    Sonagi @51
    I must say, I deserved that too.

  • Arghaeri

    “the expat reluctant to condemn behavior he would condemn in his countrymen,”

    You’ve got me confused there given NK is RK’s countryman!

  • WeikuBoy

    “You’ve got me confused there given NK is RK’s countryman!”

    Allow me to amend “countrymen” to “non-gyopo countrymen.”

  • dogbertt
  • dogbertt

    yuna, I asked you a question. I expect an answer.

    And I asked you, AFC, a question about why your daddy didn’t know better than to move his family to the Bronx. I expect an answer — chop chop!

  • Arghaeri

    “So what makes you special besides being a snarky tart?”

    I think you were the one claiming special violin out of the case circumstances, as if no one else was brought up on an estate!!

  • CactusMcHarris

    NK,

    That’s comment’s got all the class of a warm bucket of spit – really, I expect better of you.

  • CactusMcHarris

    NK,

    And that’s why you have the free time – your aforementioned appendage gets you billing as the Mongol John Holmes?