The youtube video(see above) was explained in the Huffingtonpost…”Moreno enraged Italian fans in 2002 when he ejected Francesco Totti, giving the Italian a second yellow card for an alleged dive in the penalty area 13 minutes into overtime of a 2-1 loss to South Korea in the World Cup’s second round.”
Chipping in with the regrets at the death of Park Wan-sue (As Yonhap insists on calling her). A great writer and a great place to start in translated Korean literature.
For anyone interested, I’ve a short bio and book list on KTLIT. There are also links to her books on Amazon there..
I had the pleasure of meeting Park Wan-suh on several occasions and she was not only one of Korean literature’ greatest talents, but a warm and gracious person. She will be missed greatly. My condolences go out to her family and, indeed, to all of us as readers whose lives have been enriched by her work.
Anyone notice the Korean cable channels are all blurring out people smoking now? They still show extreme violence and sex scenes but no smoking of cigarettes. Ridiculous!
I’m touched to see that others love the stories of Park Wan-suh. I first read her some two or three years ago working freelance for the Daesan Foundation. Steven Epstein and Yu Young-nan had translated Who Ate Up All the Singa, and I was called upon to judge the English version’s literary quality. I found it excellent but caught enough typos to warrant a meeting over dinner with the translators and Park Wan-suh herself. I’ll always treasure that evening.
ccmontgom for the link in #7, nambangui horangi for sharing the meetings with Park Wan-suh in #8, and again jefferyhodges for his share of stories about the writer in #11. I thank you all as a reader of Park’s novels. And I also envy those who had opportunities of meeting her.
nanoomi nanoomi
Our condolences to the family of writer Park Wan-so, a tribute to her memory @ktlit http://bit.ly/i53ohq @timemuseum: 박완서 선생님의 명복을 빕니다 #fb
(As you can see, the tweet was written by @nanoomi) and @nanoomi’s profile on Twitter shows:
nanoomi
@nanoomi Korea
Sharing Korea’s news, stories and people. http://nanoomi.net
Also nice to see in the above tweet names like @KTLit (Charles Montgomery) and @timemuseum (김영하 KIM Young-ha). Kim Young-ha is a well-known South Korean writer and some of his works are available in English. BTW, if my memory serves me right, prof. Montgomery wrote an article about Kim Young-ha’s novels.
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pawikirogii at #9,
So… you are referring to my use of honorific forms in Korean? If so, you are not the first to mention it. BTW, I’ve been impressed with your Korean.
Good weekend overall, I became a father for the second time and Australia are through to the semis of the Asian Cup. I thought Korea looked good last night and were too dignified to rise to the bait of classic Iranian thuggishness. Looking forward to their semi with Japan as much as Aus vs Uzbeks now.
Re R Elgin #16: I didn’t see that as Comcast taking a beating. Maybe I’m not reading between the lines carefully enough, but it seemed the opposite is true.
In my opinion the best commentator on U.S. TV now is Elliot Spitzer on CNN. That guy is so sharp, he skewers right-wing blowhard nonsense and makes it look easy. I’m sorry that here in Asia I haven’t had the chance to see his shows in the wake of the Tucson massacre.
Speaking of which, The Soccer ChannelBBC2 CNN HongKong “International” seems to have dropped The Situation Room forever in favor of Larry King’s replacement, thereby adding yet another Brit-World voice and leaving American expats with only the first hour of Anderson Cooper (and he devotes roughly half of his time to gay & lesbian issues — not that there’s anything wrong with that). [sigh]
@20 – Larry King became an embarrassment. He was frequently unprepared, often not understanding the evening’s topic, and I even saw him forget the names of the people he was interviewing. I’m sure Suzanne Somers and Kato Kaelin will miss him, though. If you wanted an American interviewer to replace King CNN should have hired Tavis Smiley. Charlie Rose is very good too, but very long in the tooth.
Anyway, don’t know why you’re watching CNN; Al Jazeera English is the news network to watch.
Sadly, I don’t get al-Jazeera — or MSNBC or CNBC (or even Faux). The Soccer ChannelBBC Wannabe CNN HongKong “International” and Bloomberg are it for U.S. news; and that’s why I complain so much about CNN catering to Brit-Worlders and mostly ignoring us Americans who have nowhere else to go for U.S. news.
I never watched Larry King. I have it on good authority that he died 20 years ago and that CNN has simply been propping his body up in his chair, as in Weekend at Bernie’s.
Programmes such as the very good 101 East and Listening Postare on the web. I wouldn’t be surprised to find msnbc, cnbc and others put their content online too. Australia’s ABC, which is decent network too, puts a lot on content on youtube. The Tavis Smiley show is on PBS’s website.
yangachi, i don’t remember if i thanked you for that g dragon song. if i didn’t, let me thank you now. absolutely love the song ‘a boy’. very nice. my only problem is i can’t sing along because my voice is too deep ( i can sing ‘nessun dorma’ and hit all the notes!) anyway, g dragon is way cool. very talented guy!
‘The biological pioneers in World War 2 (the second in the popular continuing series) were the Japanese. Although disguised as a water-purification unit, Japan’s Unit 731 was in fact a joint military/scientific effort that succeeded in weaponizing anthrax, botulinum toxin, tularemia and plague. Centered 40 miles south of Harbin, in present-day Manchuria, the Japanese program was highly organized, ruthless and greatly admired by bioweaponeers of later decades. In fact, Unit 731 became the template for all subsequent efforts by other countries.
Applying the efficiency, thoroughness and concern for quality that are their cultural hallmarks, the Japanese pioneered the fundamental technology that ensured the purity and potency of weaponized biological agents. They also pioneered novel delivery mechanisms, including efficient aerosols and plague-laden bomblets. As in any new technology, the results needed validation by guinea pigs. In this case the guinea pigs were prisoners-of-war and captured civilians. Primarily Chinese and Koreans, these unfortunate souls were exposed to a variety of lethal pathogens under a variety of conditions. From these experiments the Japanese gained invaluable information on which weapons worked best under which conditions. They took copious notes.
The products of all this effort were then liberally used against the Chinese, first in the Manchurian campaigns and then later in the world war itself. The human cost of these attacks has never been fully revealed, at least not in unclassified sources. However it is a mark of Japan’s esteem of the program that funding was increased yearly all the way to the end of the war. Another mark of its success was the intense American interest in the program.
After the war the United States pardoned the senior members of Unit 731 and gratefully took their weapons and research results. This became the basis of America’s own biological warfare program. The countless dead Chinese and Korean civilians did not die in vain. The notes and research results gleaned from their deaths were put into the service of democracy and freedom.
All this is a good example of the cross-over effect: one man’s terrorist is simply another man’s good soldier. What is terrorism and what is military strategy? Japanese Unit 731 was acting on direct command and control of the Japanese military. Therefore, in a strict dictionary sort of way, perhaps some wouldn’t think of them as terrorists. Beyond the actual military men, some were capable scientists who were highly regarded in the civilian sphere – hardly raving lunatics.
Of course, this starkly demonstrates the nature of the problem. Biological weapons are inherently dehumanizing. Evil arises naturally from their mere existence. But let’s not blame the Japanese. Recall that Russia, the United States, France and a host of other countries have or are developing biological weapons. Comparatively, the intent of many of these weapons make the Japanese efforts look like a picnic of nuns. Of course, these more modern weapons are usually positioned as being strictly for “defense”. But from there it is easy to cross the boundary to offense and mass-murder, as history shows. ‘
…thereby adding yet another Brit-World voice and leaving American expats with only the first hour of Anderson Cooper…Sadly, I don’t get al-Jazeera — or MSNBC or CNBC (or even Faux). The Soccer Channel BBC Wannabe CNN HongKong “International” and Bloomberg are it for U.S. news; and that’s why I complain so much about CNN catering to Brit-Worlders and mostly ignoring us Americans who have nowhere else to go for U.S. news…
Weikuboy, I don’t blame you for being ignorant of the big wide world, or, to quote Marmot, having a quite the liberal dash of “entitlement, cultural imperialism and some Ugly Americanism thrown in for good measure”. I lived in America for 2 years, and in that time I could count on two hands the amount of international news I saw on TV, and that had to do with Americans talking to Israelis and Palestinians. So I get where your anguish and confusion at having to listen to “Brit-world voices”, and being forced to endure world sports comes from.
But here’s the deal: America is only a small part of the world, and international audiences want international news, not American news. How do I know? I’m an international (Brit-world?) person. I get quite the dose of Palin, the Tea-Party, Obama etc ad nauseum anywhere I care to look. And quite frankly, it’s gotten very boring.
Nor will absorbing some international news kill you. On the contrary, you’ll almost certainly learn something.
You’ve got ABC Australia. Brits have BBC. Nipponese have NHK, and Koreans have KBS World and Arirang. I’m merely asking for a little more than one lousy half-hour of U.S. news per weekday from CNN Int’l — supposedly an American news channel.
Really: I hear more about UK politics than I do about US politics. And I’m not in the UK.
By the way, I watched a lot of Australia’s ABC when I lived in Korea. Good channel, especially their sports coverage. I’d like to see CNN cover the U.S. the way ABC brings Australia to the world, instead of trying to be BBC2/The Soccer Channel.
You know Fox is available widely on Asian satellite/cable systems, and that’s all US news, all day. I think it would be good for you, if only to inform your ignorant diatribes against all the “lies” on Fox News. If you only watched Fox News a little, you might change your opinion. Or at least not sound so unbelievably stupid.
You’ve got ABC Australia. Brits have BBC. Nipponese have NHK, and Koreans have KBS World and Arirang. I’m merely asking for a little more than one lousy half-hour of U.S. news per weekday from CNN Int’l — supposedly an American news channel.
Ok, but the ABC and BBC – even in Australia and Britain – devote a large part of their coverage to international news and events – lots of it American stuff. The ABC I grew up watching in Oz had 30 minutes domestic news / 30 minutes international news. ABC international (now the Australia Network) – while offering much Australian fare – is also very strong on the international stuff – especially news from around the pacific region. This is because many pacific islands don’t have their own
TV stations.
The only “dedicated” national channel on an international bandwidth that I’ve ever watched is Arirang. Do you really want an Arirang-style channel?
Besides, the ABC, BBC, Arirang and NHK are public funded broadcasts. In other words, my tax dollars pay for them. I’m happy, because I believe it’s healthy to have at least one station that isn’t entangled in advertising affiliations, and driven by ratings. There are a ton of reasons for this, not least that it features news from smaller regions, less populous ethnicities, airs educational programs, and isn’t afraid to piss off large advertisers.
Anyway, as far as I’m aware, CNN isn’t a public funded station. So it’s beholden to its majority audience. In the case CNN International, that means international folk, a large number of them “Brit-world” people. I doubt the US will go for a pinky channel anytime soon, but I could be wrong.
Nothing has changed in 20 years.
Just shameless heavy petting, I mean, heavy ‘sampling’.
the disgust and anger from realizing it’s heavily borrowed work is still there.
boycott.
The only thing worth watching on FOX News is when Shepard Smith comes on. The rest are crap because, well, they’re not the news. They’re paid opinion generators who pollute the political discourse and the mind of the public in this country.
Despite being someone of left-of-center political views, I for one will not miss Keith Olbermann’s departure. Of course, this isn’t to say that I didn’t find aspects of the show quite humorous. Some of the individuals he skewered on his “Worst Person in the World” segment were not only spot on but delivered in a brilliant gonzo manner.
However, there’s no getting around the fact that Olbermann was an insufferable personality on air (off air to apparently). This writer captures it best I think:
Meanwhile, his professed commitment to the questioning of authority all-too-evidently did not extend to himself. There were myriad stories about diva-like histrionics in front of — and allegedly directed against — staff. There were instances where his sneering at co-anchors had embarrassing public results.
But, more importantly, there was a years-long procession of pundits whose only apparent purpose was to confirm the correctness and brilliance of the host’s every utterance. The spectacle was one in which purportedly respectable journalists seemed to fall over themselves to play courtier to King Smug.
A personality like Olbermann’s is refreshing and exhilarating the first couple of time, but having to put up with night after night becomes a fucking chore.
If there’s one silver lining in Olbermann’s departure, it’s the possibility that his MSNBC colleague Rachel Maddow will take on a more prominent role. Unlike a lot of her cable news colleagues, she’s clearly intelligent and definitely has a feel for the medium she works in without getting sucked into and breathing the miasma of cable news. To be sure, she does her share of utter nonsense stories: I mean, I’m surprised that a smart individual like herself hasn’t figured out by now that her pursuit of Jeff Sharlet’s “The Family” and “C Street” isn’t going anywhere. Every time she opines on this topic just confirms for me that the paranoid style in American politics isn’t just confined to the right as the late historian Richard Hofstadter wanted us believe.
Nevertheless, with Olbies departure, MSNBC definitely has an individual on its roster that they can utilize more freely to show others what cable news can hopefully be.
A U.S. version of Arirang? That could actually be very funny.
Wait. What?
It occurred to me just after my last comment that, as HojuSaram points out, the other channels I mentioned (including BBC, iirc) are publicly-funded and their mission is to bring their country’s story to the world and/or entertain their own citizens abroad. CNN is not subsidized (besides the usual corporate welfare); hence its abandonment of Americans in favor of the much larger Brit-World market.
I gather HojuSaram does not like my term “Brit-World.” If he or anyone else knows a better short hand term with which to distinguish the Brits, Aussies, Kiwis, HongKong and Singapore whites, et al., who watch soccer and cricket and add lots of unnecessary letters in their spelling (programme, favourite) from us Norteamericanos who miss gridiron football and Mexican food, I’m all ears.
By the way, HojuSaram’s list of coolest nationalities on the other thread is really good.
I did get Faux News for a few months last winter. What a joke! It’s not so much that they lie all the time. (Though their audience IS chronically misinformed, and they have been caught telling some real whoppers.) It’s rather that 5 minutes of viewing are sufficient to reveal the current Rove-Luntz GOP talking points. (Let me guess: the super-rich already have their big tax cut, so now Faux’ll be harping non-stop about Obama and spending, punctuated only by how liberals are responsible for Tucson.)
Faux News is simply GOP propaganda. And Glen Beck is especially creepy.
don’t diss the tax cuts.
Even the current President just called the tax cut a good deal for all.
I personally got a handsome tax cut next year and I sincerely hope I get something similar this year.
I’d like to thank President Obama for pressuring Hu Jin Tao to pressure North Korea, by suggesting US fleet presence in the Yellow Sea. Well done !
At some point, taxes will have to go up to pay for social services, but the trend across the land it cutting services and shoving more money in your wallet so you can go spend it at Wal Mart.
I get Fox here in Indonesia and as someone who sits slightly to the right of center, I find it a total fucking embarrassment. Even the propaganda-thon that is Channel News Asia, the TV wing of Singapore’s Straits Times (or Straits Jacket, as my expat friends there call it) has the decency to ignore dissenting opinion and do their lifestyle pieces without ideological coloring. I mainly watch Al-Jazeera, which despite its left-leaning, pro-Palestine stance still attempts fairness and sends its reporters to places most don’t give a shit about. Follow that up with BBC World and a bit of CNN int, plus Australia Network for a slice of what’s going on at home. Weiku boy, you obviously haven’t tuned into BBC world news America with Matt Frei, broadcast out of Washington at around 8AM Korean time each morning.
“You obviously haven’t tuned into BBC world news America with Matt Frei, broadcast out of Washington at around 8AM Korean time each morning.”
No; but I’ll check it out. Thanks. To be honest, I just can’t take BBC. It’s so dry, and seems to focus so much on Africa and the Indian subcontinent — parts of the world in which I’ve never been keenly interested. On the other hand, I’m very interested in the Pacific and so will tune in to Australia Network, as well as BBC’s World News America.
I tend to stay away from TV news, personally. I find I can usually glean all the information I need off the internet, all without having to watch idiots spew propaganda/political bias. I just have to read a bit between the lines. I dunno. Works for me.
Anyway, I found an interesting link while looking up stuff on the Samho Jewelry. It’s a ship tracker hosted by the “Department of Product & Systems Design Engineering – University of the Aegean.” http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/
#42, WB, Probably the same kind of cultural aversion I have to large chunks of Fox or CNN US. Too many blond bimbos and news produced in a way that resembles showbiz, rather than the sterile ABC/BBC format I am comfortable with. Horses for courses, I guess.
I tipped a jar of sauerkraut – kimchi’s European cousin – over a group of boys from the bedroom window of a friend’s house. I was extremely drunk, the sauerkraut must have been at least a decade old and, in the late summer gloaming, said boys, close to retching now, looked like they’d been splattered with ectoplasm. My stomach still turns at the memory.
This pretty much tells you everything you need to know about this bitch. I would have killed her if she pulled that shit on me.
I think she’ll soon find herself in the position of those boys – splattered with kimchi ectoplasm. Well deserved too, in this case. She’s clearly trying to be provocative and controversial. I guess the food writing wasn’t doing it for her.
#46 Just got back from Japan and the Japanese make some excellent kimchi dishes, especially kimchi/pork ramen, kimchi/miso ramen, kimchi-fried noodles and kimchi Okonomiyaki.
I guess you either get kimchi or you don’t, and Ms Cooke is of the latter persuasion. Gotta say though, Korean food is hip according to some well-healed liberal American friends I recently introduced to the joys of Jakarta’s only dalk galbi restaurant. They thanked me for putting them at the cutting edge of cool as all everyone seems to know is the ubiquitous BBQs and hotplates here. I’m just glad to do my bit to keep the dalk galbi joint open as it is not that popular with the local Korean crowd. I’d be fuckin ropeable if I couldn’t get my fortnightly fix.
The question begs to be asked: Did she actually throw the whole jar down on those boys, potentially maiming or killing one of them in the process? Or did she actually open the lid and pour out the contents? thus giving ample opportunity to smell the stench before doing the deed. Or did she just make up the whole story? Whatever the case, she sounds like a damaged sociopath looking for the wrong kind of attention.
And speaking of Korean food…i’ve reached now a decent level of competency on a series of dishes (my fave being absolutely Ggori gomtang), i’d say what is still a bit of a turnoff is the fact Korean food is indeed very complicated: lenghty and elaborate, if you just screw up one of the nodes in the chain of preparation, the whole outcome is compromised.
Ugh, should be well-heeled and not ‘healed’. Late night feedings and two-hour stretches of sleep have me writing like a hagwon student (or maybe your average hagwon teacher!)
Agree with our Italian friend above, the Guardian is largely a bunch of hand wringing for the benefit of uber-liberal sensibilities. Give me the Telegraph or the Times any day.
aaronm: telegraph has indeed some of the best business commentary among the generic papers
and you’re right spot on @ 52
Hoju mentioned being overcharged in a Korean resturant the other day, same happened to me in my adventures at Gaya…thing is i hate seeing Korean food and Korean things in general turning into the territory of hipster trash, part of the reason i like the country so much is cos it retains some blue collar qualities, last thing i want is seeing Seoul turned into another Tokyo (which is for the most part a horribly run down city)
and congrats: Christ man 2 babies, you’reda man, my back still aches from the days of snuggly
i think we can safely say that british people despise koreans
One magazine writer tried kimchi once and hated it, and another handful of people reply that they also don’t like kimchi… therefore all Britsh people despise Koreans. Got it.
yeah, i’m not basing my opinion on one article. i’m basing it on the last ten years. if they ain’t mentioning dog eating, they’re referring to kimchi as ectoplasm. if they ain’t doing that, they’re calling the bullet trains french hand-me-downs or calling korean traditional wigs ‘harley davidsons’. i think it’s safe to say the brits despise the koreans. but then, who cares? britain is from yesterday.
Those Brits should stick to something they’re good at – like narrating nature documentaries and cheerleading for America’s military misadventures. They have such a stale, ugly aesthetic from yesteryear. 2012 will be the worst summer games in history.
Want to be an air hostess for Korean Air. Is an s-line required? A v-line? Post 9-11, is tae kwang do know-how needed? Throwing stars? Here are the requirements.
Years ago a met a guy who taught at Inha Uni, which is a KAL owned school. Jammy bastard taught the air hostesses. Students pay to be trained by KAL in hope to get a job with KAL. That’s a better scam than an unpaid internship.
seouldout, Inha University is owned by the Hanjin Corporation, which also owns KAL. As well, Hanjin owns Inha Technical College, which prepares its students to become (among other things) flight attendants. Inha University has no such program. The fellow you met, if he actually taught students who were studying in college to become flight attendants, would have worked at the technical college rather than the university.
While Hanjin owns both institutions, Inha University is academically superior to Inha Technical College. KAL apparently thinks so as well: as a rule, it hires graduates from four-year institutions. Alternatively, Inha Technical University’s graduates can (and do) find work with Asiana, or with other carriers, as their requirements are less stringent.
Thanks for the clarification, gbnhj. Pity that – Hanjin/KAL had my admiration. Interesting that Hanjin develops a curriculum yet doesn’t hire its graduates. You happen to know how competitive it is to get an air hostess job? Is there a great surplus of cabin service degree holders? Is Inha Tech College also teaching other classes such as aeroplane maintenance and cargo load master? Does KAL hire those graduates, or is it more selective there too?
Attending the ANC hagwon for stewardesses is another very helpful way to help a girl’s chance of getting a job as a stewardess (not just for Korea-based airlines). They’ve got a branch just south of 한남대교 in 신사동 (just across from Riverside), and if I recall somewhere north of the river as well, though not sure. Most all of the stewardesses I know went through there. It sounds like quite a place. From what I’ve been told, the curriculum there includes one sole topic: interview preparation. Virtually no focus on acquiring skills relevant to the job (only the prettier ones will get picked anyway, I suppose, so perhaps it doesn’t matter). The place also seems to have earned itself a shady reputation among some for the way that it uses its connections with, and inside information from recruiting personnel of international airlines to limit its own students’ interviewing options (in part by lying to them or selectively withholding information). This is likely to prevent too much competition amongst the recruiters for it’s top students and to maximize its placement.
You happen to know how competitive it is to get an air hostess job?
Depends how, tall, pretty, and elegant one appears, and just which airline one is targeting. Standards vary. Overall there, it’s quite competitive.
Those Brits should stick to something they’re good at – like narrating nature documentaries and cheerleading for America’s military misadventures.
I’m assuming you’re not including the Korean War as a misadventure on England’s behalf? I’m sure family members of the Gloucestershire Regiment, for example, wouldn’t appreciate the sentiment.
Anyway, a silly food review by some London broad is hardly reason to damn an entire country. Trust me, the English are equal opportunity fun-pokers; as an Australian, if I was to take cumulative offence every time a pom made fun of my country, I’d be soon detonating a bomb in Heathrow airport.
Hey I’m just giving those Brits a taste of their own snarky medicine. Perhaps you’re the one who should get some thicker skin, if you feel the need to be offended on behalf of someone else.
seoulout, I don’t know about much about the specifics of Inha Technical College’s programs – sorry. As noted above, though, there’s a lot of competition involved in getting a job as a flight attendant. Many flight attendants working on international flights for Korean carriers live off of their per diem alone, and basically bank their salaries. Nice, huh?
But another Chinese blogger said: ‘Suppose for a moment that Obama was invited to a banquet in China, and he invited an American artist who had performed in China for many years to play an American war song against China, what kind of reaction do you think the Chinese government and people would have?’
You should add a corollary to the stewardess thing. The ones on international flights appear to be the pretty ones. The ones on domestic flights (especially to Jeju or Busan or to China or Japan) appear to be plain Janes.
I’m in awe of their rudeness. The funny thing is, the Chinese like to pride themselves on being subtle, but this sort of thing is about as subtle as a thrown brick, and just makes them look boorish and arrogant.
Strange that most US new outlets haven’t picked the story up. NY Times is the only major one I can see.
A lot of Chinese Americans are staying a bit quiet on this one… considering the depth of the insult…
Not that they agree with the insult… just… I bet they would want sleeping dogs lie where they lie. However, some of they are making a statement on the Internet.
@79 You just scooped me… I was about to post that here. Fuck you Lang Lang, right up your chinese ass.
@80 This I don’t know much about… don’t know any ladies who work for domestic airlines. I’ve only been to Jeju once too, and apparently I was lucky, because the girls looked pretty good that day.
the Chinese come in INVITED, and they lie about all the human rights abuse, one child policy, stealing trades and military secrets, unethically controlling their currency ratio, and they coordinate a tune to celebrate their war to establish North Korea.
and their repeated message is, treat China as equals to the USA.
i think the most mature thing to do is send a giant bill that itemizes all the proven things that the Chinese stole from industrial and military brain departments in the USA. Including Hollywood video and audio copyrights, and Disney copyrights, the list is infinite.
And just say, we don’t owe you any money until you pay it in full.
You should add a corollary to the stewardess thing. The ones on international flights appear to be the pretty ones. The ones on domestic flights (especially to Jeju or Busan or to China or Japan) appear to be plain Janes.
As in all organizations, airlines have a hierarchy for FA’s (flight attendants/cabin crew). Rookies, geriatric cases and the fuglies get stuck with short-haul local shuttle flights. More senior ones get the longer haul regional flights. The most senior ones, who have usually had the time, money and experience to accrue the requisite poise and confidence required for the job also can afford to doll themselves up in a way that gets the most oohs and ahs. Unsurprisingly, they get all the coveted and most desirable international routes.
So, what exactly is going on in Egypt? Is this a genuine pro-democratic protest, or is this the beginning of another Islamic theocracy establishing in place of pro-American dictators (a la Iran) and calling itself democratic?
“The most senior ones, who have usually had the time, money and experience to accrue the requisite poise and confidence required for the job also can afford to doll themselves up in a way that gets the most oohs and ahs.”
Apparently Jenny hasn’t flown much on U.S. carriers. Asian “FA’s” are like the room salon girl you dream about but (never having been to a room salon) never had. U.S. flight attendants — if they are even female — are like mothers. Comforting yes. Dolls not so much.
@93 Jenny also seemed to imply that all organization has FA’s. And, unfortunately, there is a big difference between the Asian FA’s and room salons in both the way they dress and behave.
this is the 2nd time Korea has been bested by Japan in recent memory.
First was WBC and watching Ichiro hoisting the WBC championship.
2nd is this event.
So far never heard of 3 kickers in a row missing it.
Undoubtedly, South Korean coach will be replaced.
I recommend a European football coach well known to make teams better and has some ambition.
Another EPIC day. All’s good in the hood. And, again, a little faith in myself has proven to be quite rewarding.
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Hey, Yangachi. I like Sistar’s “Push Push” song. Great dance. Moderately intricate and layered electro pop song. Some people affectionately call it the “pregnancy song” because of the ambiguous lyrics… “Push, push, baby boy… I want sistar!”, which I think is cute. I also really like this American girl dancing to the song here:
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Foist!
I posted this on the previous open thread this morning, but more people are likely to see it here:
Park Wan-suh has just died this morning (January 22, 2011). Condolences to her family, friends, and readers.
Jeffery Hodges
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jefferyhodges,
Thanks a lot for #2.
I grew up reading her works. So many South Koreans have found her passing away so sad. A great writer, Park Wan-suh.
박 완서님, 편히 잠드소서.
1.4 Billion and counting — “South Korea struggles to control foot-and-mouth epidemic”
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/01/20/south.korea.foot.mouth/
Hey Korean beef farmers — You reap what you sow, Karma’s a bitch ain’t it ?
2002 Ex – World Cup Ref. Pleads Guilty to Heroin Smuggling Charges…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/14/byron-moreno-guilty-heroin-smuggling_n_809248.html
Do you suppose some money exchanged hands(into Byron Moreno’s) for this shaft job…?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbLX_YpVzEg&feature=related
The youtube video(see above) was explained in the Huffingtonpost…”Moreno enraged Italian fans in 2002 when he ejected Francesco Totti, giving the Italian a second yellow card for an alleged dive in the penalty area 13 minutes into overtime of a 2-1 loss to South Korea in the World Cup’s second round.”
Chipping in with the regrets at the death of Park Wan-sue (As Yonhap insists on calling her). A great writer and a great place to start in translated Korean literature.
For anyone interested, I’ve a short bio and book list on KTLIT. There are also links to her books on Amazon there..
I had the pleasure of meeting Park Wan-suh on several occasions and she was not only one of Korean literature’ greatest talents, but a warm and gracious person. She will be missed greatly. My condolences go out to her family and, indeed, to all of us as readers whose lives have been enriched by her work.
‘박 완서님, 편히 잠드소서.’
wow, you gotta lotta respect for this lady.
Anyone notice the Korean cable channels are all blurring out people smoking now? They still show extreme violence and sex scenes but no smoking of cigarettes. Ridiculous!
I’m touched to see that others love the stories of Park Wan-suh. I first read her some two or three years ago working freelance for the Daesan Foundation. Steven Epstein and Yu Young-nan had translated Who Ate Up All the Singa, and I was called upon to judge the English version’s literary quality. I found it excellent but caught enough typos to warrant a meeting over dinner with the translators and Park Wan-suh herself. I’ll always treasure that evening.
Jeffery Hodges
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#11, that is sweet. I envy you.
Thanks, Mr. Elgin.
(Also, my note should have read “Stephen Epstein” and Who Ate Up All the Shinga?)
Jeffery Hodges
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I thank
ccmontgom for the link in #7, nambangui horangi for sharing the meetings with Park Wan-suh in #8, and again jefferyhodges for his share of stories about the writer in #11. I thank you all as a reader of Park’s novels. And I also envy those who had opportunities of meeting her.
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I found on Twitter
http://twitter.com/#!/nanoomi/status/28721113240436736
nanoomi nanoomi
Our condolences to the family of writer Park Wan-so, a tribute to her memory @ktlit http://bit.ly/i53ohq @timemuseum: 박완서 선생님의 명복을 빕니다 #fb
(As you can see, the tweet was written by @nanoomi) and @nanoomi’s profile on Twitter shows:
nanoomi
@nanoomi Korea
Sharing Korea’s news, stories and people.
http://nanoomi.net
Also nice to see in the above tweet names like @KTLit (Charles Montgomery) and @timemuseum (김영하 KIM Young-ha). Kim Young-ha is a well-known South Korean writer and some of his works are available in English. BTW, if my memory serves me right, prof. Montgomery wrote an article about Kim Young-ha’s novels.
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pawikirogii at #9,
So… you are referring to my use of honorific forms in Korean? If so, you are not the first to mention it. BTW, I’ve been impressed with your Korean.
Sorry about the broken link in my comment #14 re @nanoomi’s tweet
(I am definitely not a tech-savvy).
http://twitter.com/nanoomi/status/28721113240436736
It looks like Comcast is taking a beating in an NY Times blog for getting rid of the popular TV commentator Keith Olbermann, a day after Comcast bought MSNBC.
Comcast is the absolute worst excuse for a cable company in America as well as one of the most crooked. Now it seems they are the most inept, excelling only in alienating consumers and viewers.
And in sports news, the Iranian shi’a cultist idolaters are bested by the Korea’s devil worshiping sorcerers 1-0 in overtime.
Good weekend overall, I became a father for the second time and Australia are through to the semis of the Asian Cup. I thought Korea looked good last night and were too dignified to rise to the bait of classic Iranian thuggishness. Looking forward to their semi with Japan as much as Aus vs Uzbeks now.
@aaronm
Congrats!
Re R Elgin #16: I didn’t see that as Comcast taking a beating. Maybe I’m not reading between the lines carefully enough, but it seemed the opposite is true.
In my opinion the best commentator on U.S. TV now is Elliot Spitzer on CNN. That guy is so sharp, he skewers right-wing blowhard nonsense and makes it look easy. I’m sorry that here in Asia I haven’t had the chance to see his shows in the wake of the Tucson massacre.
Speaking of which,
The Soccer ChannelBBC2CNNHongKong“International” seems to have dropped The Situation Room forever in favor of Larry King’s replacement, thereby adding yet another Brit-World voice and leaving American expats with only the first hour of Anderson Cooper (and he devotes roughly half of his time to gay & lesbian issues — not that there’s anything wrong with that). [sigh]Congrats on second wee one, aaronm.
@20 – Larry King became an embarrassment. He was frequently unprepared, often not understanding the evening’s topic, and I even saw him forget the names of the people he was interviewing. I’m sure Suzanne Somers and Kato Kaelin will miss him, though. If you wanted an American interviewer to replace King CNN should have hired Tavis Smiley. Charlie Rose is very good too, but very long in the tooth.
Anyway, don’t know why you’re watching CNN; Al Jazeera English is the news network to watch.
i am beginning to believe that North Korea exists because of Koreans themselves.
it is a Korean fault to have the Korean tendency to uphold someone like Kim in absolute loyalty.
it is a Korean fault for having a person like Kim in the gene pool who is evil as he is.
it is a Korean fault for relying on foreign neighbors to the extent that Kim is.
that is what I have to say for today.
ya’ll know it’s true.
^ People get the leaders they deserve.
Sadly, I don’t get al-Jazeera — or MSNBC or CNBC (or even Faux).
The Soccer ChannelBBC WannabeCNNHongKong“International” and Bloomberg are it for U.S. news; and that’s why I complain so much about CNN catering to Brit-Worlders and mostly ignoring us Americans who have nowhere else to go for U.S. news.I never watched Larry King. I have it on good authority that he died 20 years ago and that CNN has simply been propping his body up in his chair, as in Weekend at Bernie’s.
Programmes such as the very good 101 East and Listening Postare on the web. I wouldn’t be surprised to find msnbc, cnbc and others put their content online too. Australia’s ABC, which is decent network too, puts a lot on content on youtube. The Tavis Smiley show is on PBS’s website.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X48BnuyqSjU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dE2c9MnsKI
Florida isn’t the only song he copied, err sampled, is he an idiot?
yangachi, i don’t remember if i thanked you for that g dragon song. if i didn’t, let me thank you now. absolutely love the song ‘a boy’. very nice. my only problem is i can’t sing along because my voice is too deep ( i can sing ‘nessun dorma’ and hit all the notes!) anyway, g dragon is way cool. very talented guy!
absolutely disgusting!
‘The biological pioneers in World War 2 (the second in the popular continuing series) were the Japanese. Although disguised as a water-purification unit, Japan’s Unit 731 was in fact a joint military/scientific effort that succeeded in weaponizing anthrax, botulinum toxin, tularemia and plague. Centered 40 miles south of Harbin, in present-day Manchuria, the Japanese program was highly organized, ruthless and greatly admired by bioweaponeers of later decades. In fact, Unit 731 became the template for all subsequent efforts by other countries.
Applying the efficiency, thoroughness and concern for quality that are their cultural hallmarks, the Japanese pioneered the fundamental technology that ensured the purity and potency of weaponized biological agents. They also pioneered novel delivery mechanisms, including efficient aerosols and plague-laden bomblets. As in any new technology, the results needed validation by guinea pigs. In this case the guinea pigs were prisoners-of-war and captured civilians. Primarily Chinese and Koreans, these unfortunate souls were exposed to a variety of lethal pathogens under a variety of conditions. From these experiments the Japanese gained invaluable information on which weapons worked best under which conditions. They took copious notes.
The products of all this effort were then liberally used against the Chinese, first in the Manchurian campaigns and then later in the world war itself. The human cost of these attacks has never been fully revealed, at least not in unclassified sources. However it is a mark of Japan’s esteem of the program that funding was increased yearly all the way to the end of the war. Another mark of its success was the intense American interest in the program.
After the war the United States pardoned the senior members of Unit 731 and gratefully took their weapons and research results. This became the basis of America’s own biological warfare program. The countless dead Chinese and Korean civilians did not die in vain. The notes and research results gleaned from their deaths were put into the service of democracy and freedom.
All this is a good example of the cross-over effect: one man’s terrorist is simply another man’s good soldier. What is terrorism and what is military strategy? Japanese Unit 731 was acting on direct command and control of the Japanese military. Therefore, in a strict dictionary sort of way, perhaps some wouldn’t think of them as terrorists. Beyond the actual military men, some were capable scientists who were highly regarded in the civilian sphere – hardly raving lunatics.
Of course, this starkly demonstrates the nature of the problem. Biological weapons are inherently dehumanizing. Evil arises naturally from their mere existence. But let’s not blame the Japanese. Recall that Russia, the United States, France and a host of other countries have or are developing biological weapons. Comparatively, the intent of many of these weapons make the Japanese efforts look like a picnic of nuns. Of course, these more modern weapons are usually positioned as being strictly for “defense”. But from there it is easy to cross the boundary to offense and mass-murder, as history shows. ‘
http://www.zkea.com/archives/archive10002.html
Weikuboy, I don’t blame you for being ignorant of the big wide world, or, to quote Marmot, having a quite the liberal dash of “entitlement, cultural imperialism and some Ugly Americanism thrown in for good measure”. I lived in America for 2 years, and in that time I could count on two hands the amount of international news I saw on TV, and that had to do with Americans talking to Israelis and Palestinians. So I get where your anguish and confusion at having to listen to “Brit-world voices”, and being forced to endure world sports comes from.
But here’s the deal: America is only a small part of the world, and international audiences want international news, not American news. How do I know? I’m an international (Brit-world?) person. I get quite the dose of Palin, the Tea-Party, Obama etc ad nauseum anywhere I care to look. And quite frankly, it’s gotten very boring.
Nor will absorbing some international news kill you. On the contrary, you’ll almost certainly learn something.
You’re in the big wide world now – try to fit in.
@Hoju Saram: Geez, lighten up, dude.
You’ve got ABC Australia. Brits have BBC. Nipponese have NHK, and Koreans have KBS World and Arirang. I’m merely asking for a little more than one lousy half-hour of U.S. news per weekday from CNN Int’l — supposedly an American news channel.
Really: I hear more about UK politics than I do about US politics. And I’m not in the UK.
By the way, I watched a lot of Australia’s ABC when I lived in Korea. Good channel, especially their sports coverage. I’d like to see CNN cover the U.S. the way ABC brings Australia to the world, instead of trying to be BBC2/The Soccer Channel.
You know Fox is available widely on Asian satellite/cable systems, and that’s all US news, all day. I think it would be good for you, if only to inform your ignorant diatribes against all the “lies” on Fox News. If you only watched Fox News a little, you might change your opinion. Or at least not sound so unbelievably stupid.
Ok, but the ABC and BBC – even in Australia and Britain – devote a large part of their coverage to international news and events – lots of it American stuff. The ABC I grew up watching in Oz had 30 minutes domestic news / 30 minutes international news. ABC international (now the Australia Network) – while offering much Australian fare – is also very strong on the international stuff – especially news from around the pacific region. This is because many pacific islands don’t have their own
TV stations.
The only “dedicated” national channel on an international bandwidth that I’ve ever watched is Arirang. Do you really want an Arirang-style channel?
Besides, the ABC, BBC, Arirang and NHK are public funded broadcasts. In other words, my tax dollars pay for them. I’m happy, because I believe it’s healthy to have at least one station that isn’t entangled in advertising affiliations, and driven by ratings. There are a ton of reasons for this, not least that it features news from smaller regions, less populous ethnicities, airs educational programs, and isn’t afraid to piss off large advertisers.
Anyway, as far as I’m aware, CNN isn’t a public funded station. So it’s beholden to its majority audience. In the case CNN International, that means international folk, a large number of them “Brit-world” people. I doubt the US will go for a pinky channel anytime soon, but I could be wrong.
Your loss, I fear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz5Zdhm97ZI&feature=related
More of Mr. Yang and his line of music ‘brilliance’ including somebody’s new crush, G-dongko.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i55ndx6haAo&feature=related
to be fair, here is something about the Wondergirls.
Nothing has changed in 20 years.
Just shameless heavy petting, I mean, heavy ‘sampling’.
the disgust and anger from realizing it’s heavily borrowed work is still there.
boycott.
The only thing worth watching on FOX News is when Shepard Smith comes on. The rest are crap because, well, they’re not the news. They’re paid opinion generators who pollute the political discourse and the mind of the public in this country.
I’m happy enough with NPR and PBS.
I’ll miss Olberman, though.
Despite being someone of left-of-center political views, I for one will not miss Keith Olbermann’s departure. Of course, this isn’t to say that I didn’t find aspects of the show quite humorous. Some of the individuals he skewered on his “Worst Person in the World” segment were not only spot on but delivered in a brilliant gonzo manner.
However, there’s no getting around the fact that Olbermann was an insufferable personality on air (off air to apparently). This writer captures it best I think:
Link: http://www.salon.com/news/keith_olbermann/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/01/22/stanage_olbermann
A personality like Olbermann’s is refreshing and exhilarating the first couple of time, but having to put up with night after night becomes a fucking chore.
If there’s one silver lining in Olbermann’s departure, it’s the possibility that his MSNBC colleague Rachel Maddow will take on a more prominent role. Unlike a lot of her cable news colleagues, she’s clearly intelligent and definitely has a feel for the medium she works in without getting sucked into and breathing the miasma of cable news. To be sure, she does her share of utter nonsense stories: I mean, I’m surprised that a smart individual like herself hasn’t figured out by now that her pursuit of Jeff Sharlet’s “The Family” and “C Street” isn’t going anywhere. Every time she opines on this topic just confirms for me that the paranoid style in American politics isn’t just confined to the right as the late historian Richard Hofstadter wanted us believe.
Nevertheless, with Olbies departure, MSNBC definitely has an individual on its roster that they can utilize more freely to show others what cable news can hopefully be.
A U.S. version of Arirang? That could actually be very funny.
Wait. What?
It occurred to me just after my last comment that, as HojuSaram points out, the other channels I mentioned (including BBC, iirc) are publicly-funded and their mission is to bring their country’s story to the world and/or entertain their own citizens abroad. CNN is not subsidized (besides the usual corporate welfare); hence its abandonment of Americans in favor of the much larger Brit-World market.
I gather HojuSaram does not like my term “Brit-World.” If he or anyone else knows a better short hand term with which to distinguish the Brits, Aussies, Kiwis, HongKong and Singapore whites, et al., who watch soccer and cricket and add lots of unnecessary letters in their spelling (programme, favourite) from us Norteamericanos who miss gridiron football and Mexican food, I’m all ears.
By the way, HojuSaram’s list of coolest nationalities on the other thread is really good.
@Brendon
I did get Faux News for a few months last winter. What a joke! It’s not so much that they lie all the time. (Though their audience IS chronically misinformed, and they have been caught telling some real whoppers.) It’s rather that 5 minutes of viewing are sufficient to reveal the current Rove-Luntz GOP talking points. (Let me guess: the super-rich already have their big tax cut, so now Faux’ll be harping non-stop about Obama and spending, punctuated only by how liberals are responsible for Tucson.)
Faux News is simply GOP propaganda. And Glen Beck is especially creepy.
For the record:
I would change “HongKong and Singapore whites” in #37 above to “HongKong and Singapore English speakers.”
don’t diss the tax cuts.
Even the current President just called the tax cut a good deal for all.
I personally got a handsome tax cut next year and I sincerely hope I get something similar this year.
I’d like to thank President Obama for pressuring Hu Jin Tao to pressure North Korea, by suggesting US fleet presence in the Yellow Sea. Well done !
At some point, taxes will have to go up to pay for social services, but the trend across the land it cutting services and shoving more money in your wallet so you can go spend it at Wal Mart.
I get Fox here in Indonesia and as someone who sits slightly to the right of center, I find it a total fucking embarrassment. Even the propaganda-thon that is Channel News Asia, the TV wing of Singapore’s Straits Times (or Straits Jacket, as my expat friends there call it) has the decency to ignore dissenting opinion and do their lifestyle pieces without ideological coloring. I mainly watch Al-Jazeera, which despite its left-leaning, pro-Palestine stance still attempts fairness and sends its reporters to places most don’t give a shit about. Follow that up with BBC World and a bit of CNN int, plus Australia Network for a slice of what’s going on at home. Weiku boy, you obviously haven’t tuned into BBC world news America with Matt Frei, broadcast out of Washington at around 8AM Korean time each morning.
“You obviously haven’t tuned into BBC world news America with Matt Frei, broadcast out of Washington at around 8AM Korean time each morning.”
No; but I’ll check it out. Thanks. To be honest, I just can’t take BBC. It’s so dry, and seems to focus so much on Africa and the Indian subcontinent — parts of the world in which I’ve never been keenly interested. On the other hand, I’m very interested in the Pacific and so will tune in to Australia Network, as well as BBC’s World News America.
I tend to stay away from TV news, personally. I find I can usually glean all the information I need off the internet, all without having to watch idiots spew propaganda/political bias. I just have to read a bit between the lines. I dunno. Works for me.
Anyway, I found an interesting link while looking up stuff on the Samho Jewelry. It’s a ship tracker hosted by the “Department of Product & Systems Design Engineering – University of the Aegean.”
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/
#42, WB, Probably the same kind of cultural aversion I have to large chunks of Fox or CNN US. Too many blond bimbos and news produced in a way that resembles showbiz, rather than the sterile ABC/BBC format I am comfortable with. Horses for courses, I guess.
aaronm — Congrats on the birth of your second child.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/jan/23/kimchi-korea-rachel-cooke
roboseyo has alerted us to the above article which i find a bit irritatating but then, look at the responses she gets.
This pretty much tells you everything you need to know about this bitch. I would have killed her if she pulled that shit on me.
i think we can safely say that british people despise koreans. but then, who cares? i love da kimchi!
Robert, cheers.
I think she’ll soon find herself in the position of those boys – splattered with kimchi ectoplasm. Well deserved too, in this case. She’s clearly trying to be provocative and controversial. I guess the food writing wasn’t doing it for her.
#46 Just got back from Japan and the Japanese make some excellent kimchi dishes, especially kimchi/pork ramen, kimchi/miso ramen, kimchi-fried noodles and kimchi Okonomiyaki.
Japanese know how to cook!
I guess you either get kimchi or you don’t, and Ms Cooke is of the latter persuasion. Gotta say though, Korean food is hip according to some well-healed liberal American friends I recently introduced to the joys of Jakarta’s only dalk galbi restaurant. They thanked me for putting them at the cutting edge of cool as all everyone seems to know is the ubiquitous BBQs and hotplates here. I’m just glad to do my bit to keep the dalk galbi joint open as it is not that popular with the local Korean crowd. I’d be fuckin ropeable if I couldn’t get my fortnightly fix.
The question begs to be asked: Did she actually throw the whole jar down on those boys, potentially maiming or killing one of them in the process? Or did she actually open the lid and pour out the contents? thus giving ample opportunity to smell the stench before doing the deed. Or did she just make up the whole story? Whatever the case, she sounds like a damaged sociopath looking for the wrong kind of attention.
C’mon who takes the Guardian seriously ?
Yeah let them deal with their own shit, they’ve plenty of it.
If you.re into the remix&mashup game i suggest you check out this kid….amazing:
http://www.youtube.com/user/mmixes?blend=1&ob=4
And speaking of Korean food…i’ve reached now a decent level of competency on a series of dishes (my fave being absolutely Ggori gomtang), i’d say what is still a bit of a turnoff is the fact Korean food is indeed very complicated: lenghty and elaborate, if you just screw up one of the nodes in the chain of preparation, the whole outcome is compromised.
definitely not a cuisine for rookies
thank you, yangachi. i wonder if you’ve heard of secret. the following is called ‘madonna’. very nice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saJTZetAdbA
Ugh, should be well-heeled and not ‘healed’. Late night feedings and two-hour stretches of sleep have me writing like a hagwon student (or maybe your average hagwon teacher!)
Agree with our Italian friend above, the Guardian is largely a bunch of hand wringing for the benefit of uber-liberal sensibilities. Give me the Telegraph or the Times any day.
pawi: cool, i’m more a fan ofelectro sounds like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2mNKr_fjWk
aaronm: telegraph has indeed some of the best business commentary among the generic papers
and you’re right spot on @ 52
Hoju mentioned being overcharged in a Korean resturant the other day, same happened to me in my adventures at Gaya…thing is i hate seeing Korean food and Korean things in general turning into the territory of hipster trash, part of the reason i like the country so much is cos it retains some blue collar qualities, last thing i want is seeing Seoul turned into another Tokyo (which is for the most part a horribly run down city)
and congrats: Christ man 2 babies, you’reda man, my back still aches from the days of snuggly
One magazine writer tried kimchi once and hated it, and another handful of people reply that they also don’t like kimchi… therefore all Britsh people despise Koreans. Got it.
By the way, Joe, loved your response to her! ^^
Should Hagwon teachers consider taking their talents to the Republic of Georgia?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/24/world/europe/24georgia.html?ref=world
yeah, i’m not basing my opinion on one article. i’m basing it on the last ten years. if they ain’t mentioning dog eating, they’re referring to kimchi as ectoplasm. if they ain’t doing that, they’re calling the bullet trains french hand-me-downs or calling korean traditional wigs ‘harley davidsons’. i think it’s safe to say the brits despise the koreans. but then, who cares? britain is from yesterday.
Those Brits should stick to something they’re good at – like narrating nature documentaries and cheerleading for America’s military misadventures. They have such a stale, ugly aesthetic from yesteryear. 2012 will be the worst summer games in history.
Want to be an air hostess for Korean Air. Is an s-line required? A v-line? Post 9-11, is tae kwang do know-how needed? Throwing stars? Here are the requirements.
Years ago a met a guy who taught at Inha Uni, which is a KAL owned school. Jammy bastard taught the air hostesses. Students pay to be trained by KAL in hope to get a job with KAL. That’s a better scam than an unpaid internship.
seouldout, Inha University is owned by the Hanjin Corporation, which also owns KAL. As well, Hanjin owns Inha Technical College, which prepares its students to become (among other things) flight attendants. Inha University has no such program. The fellow you met, if he actually taught students who were studying in college to become flight attendants, would have worked at the technical college rather than the university.
While Hanjin owns both institutions, Inha University is academically superior to Inha Technical College. KAL apparently thinks so as well: as a rule, it hires graduates from four-year institutions. Alternatively, Inha Technical University’s graduates can (and do) find work with Asiana, or with other carriers, as their requirements are less stringent.
Thanks for the clarification, gbnhj. Pity that – Hanjin/KAL had my admiration. Interesting that Hanjin develops a curriculum yet doesn’t hire its graduates. You happen to know how competitive it is to get an air hostess job? Is there a great surplus of cabin service degree holders? Is Inha Tech College also teaching other classes such as aeroplane maintenance and cargo load master? Does KAL hire those graduates, or is it more selective there too?
Attending the ANC hagwon for stewardesses is another very helpful way to help a girl’s chance of getting a job as a stewardess (not just for Korea-based airlines). They’ve got a branch just south of 한남대교 in 신사동 (just across from Riverside), and if I recall somewhere north of the river as well, though not sure. Most all of the stewardesses I know went through there. It sounds like quite a place. From what I’ve been told, the curriculum there includes one sole topic: interview preparation. Virtually no focus on acquiring skills relevant to the job (only the prettier ones will get picked anyway, I suppose, so perhaps it doesn’t matter). The place also seems to have earned itself a shady reputation among some for the way that it uses its connections with, and inside information from recruiting personnel of international airlines to limit its own students’ interviewing options (in part by lying to them or selectively withholding information). This is likely to prevent too much competition amongst the recruiters for it’s top students and to maximize its placement.
Depends how, tall, pretty, and elegant one appears, and just which airline one is targeting. Standards vary. Overall there, it’s quite competitive.
Are flight attendant positions as popular with the gay community in Korea as they are in the States?
There are no gays in Korea, except for some of the foreigners.
I’m assuming you’re not including the Korean War as a misadventure on England’s behalf? I’m sure family members of the Gloucestershire Regiment, for example, wouldn’t appreciate the sentiment.
Anyway, a silly food review by some London broad is hardly reason to damn an entire country. Trust me, the English are equal opportunity fun-pokers; as an Australian, if I was to take cumulative offence every time a pom made fun of my country, I’d be soon detonating a bomb in Heathrow airport.
You & Pawi need to get some thicker skin.
Hey I’m just giving those Brits a taste of their own snarky medicine. Perhaps you’re the one who should get some thicker skin, if you feel the need to be offended on behalf of someone else.
Ok, but I’m just an Aussie poking fun at a Korean poking fun at a Pom. So ease off the hatefest.
Nice headline over at Chosun Ilbo:
what does ‘pom’ mean?
seoulout, I don’t know about much about the specifics of Inha Technical College’s programs – sorry. As noted above, though, there’s a lot of competition involved in getting a job as a flight attendant. Many flight attendants working on international flights for Korean carriers live off of their per diem alone, and basically bank their salaries. Nice, huh?
pom=Englishman
toff=upper-class Englishman
You might actually improve the place
thank you, sperwer.
I’ve always preferred le rosbif, myself.
Don’t forget chav, Sperwer. Most assuredly Quasimodo and Sidekick Pokey are feral pikey chavs.
I thought chavs were the English version of white trash… was I wrong in assuming that one had to be white to be a chav?
And speaking of confusion regarding who’s white, pawii, what’s with the child molester Michael Jackson avatar?
Wow…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350269/Chinese-pianist-plays-anti-American-anthem-Obamas-White-House-dinner.html
Money quote?
cmm,
You should add a corollary to the stewardess thing. The ones on international flights appear to be the pretty ones. The ones on domestic flights (especially to Jeju or Busan or to China or Japan) appear to be plain Janes.
Wangkon936,
I’m in awe of their rudeness. The funny thing is, the Chinese like to pride themselves on being subtle, but this sort of thing is about as subtle as a thrown brick, and just makes them look boorish and arrogant.
Strange that most US new outlets haven’t picked the story up. NY Times is the only major one I can see.
A lot of Chinese Americans are staying a bit quiet on this one… considering the depth of the insult…
Not that they agree with the insult… just… I bet they would want sleeping dogs lie where they lie. However, some of they are making a statement on the Internet.
@79 You just scooped me… I was about to post that here. Fuck you Lang Lang, right up your chinese ass.
@80 This I don’t know much about… don’t know any ladies who work for domestic airlines. I’ve only been to Jeju once too, and apparently I was lucky, because the girls looked pretty good that day.
the Chinese come in INVITED, and they lie about all the human rights abuse, one child policy, stealing trades and military secrets, unethically controlling their currency ratio, and they coordinate a tune to celebrate their war to establish North Korea.
and their repeated message is, treat China as equals to the USA.
i think the most mature thing to do is send a giant bill that itemizes all the proven things that the Chinese stole from industrial and military brain departments in the USA. Including Hollywood video and audio copyrights, and Disney copyrights, the list is infinite.
And just say, we don’t owe you any money until you pay it in full.
Today was a good day. Tomorrow will make today even better if everything goes right.
Sometimes you just got to have faith in yourself, faith in real things. What a lovely day.
Awww crap!
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story/_/id/870716/japan-rewrite-history?cc=5901
I was dissapointed by the Korea result, but more than compensated by beloved socceroos raping Uzbekistan!
wk936 @80:
As in all organizations, airlines have a hierarchy for FA’s (flight attendants/cabin crew). Rookies, geriatric cases and the fuglies get stuck with short-haul local shuttle flights. More senior ones get the longer haul regional flights. The most senior ones, who have usually had the time, money and experience to accrue the requisite poise and confidence required for the job also can afford to doll themselves up in a way that gets the most oohs and ahs. Unsurprisingly, they get all the coveted and most desirable international routes.
@88 Yeah that’s not at all accurate for all airlines.
Good pics on ROKs in the Vietnam War:
http://shutwho.blogspot.com/2010/04/vietnam-warthe-koreans-point-of-view.html
South Korea’s Russian hardware:
http://shutwho.blogspot.com/2010/11/brown-bear-project.html
So, what exactly is going on in Egypt? Is this a genuine pro-democratic protest, or is this the beginning of another Islamic theocracy establishing in place of pro-American dictators (a la Iran) and calling itself democratic?
“The most senior ones, who have usually had the time, money and experience to accrue the requisite poise and confidence required for the job also can afford to doll themselves up in a way that gets the most oohs and ahs.”
Apparently Jenny hasn’t flown much on U.S. carriers. Asian “FA’s” are like the room salon girl you dream about but (never having been to a room salon) never had. U.S. flight attendants — if they are even female — are like mothers. Comforting yes. Dolls not so much.
@93 Jenny also seemed to imply that all organization has FA’s. And, unfortunately, there is a big difference between the Asian FA’s and room salons in both the way they dress and behave.
more of Kim dynasty and China’s influence
more of Kim dynasty and China’s influence
‘scuse me i’m the resident chav here, i have the demented dance music, shitty teeth and broken English credentials
this is the 2nd time Korea has been bested by Japan in recent memory.
First was WBC and watching Ichiro hoisting the WBC championship.
2nd is this event.
So far never heard of 3 kickers in a row missing it.
Undoubtedly, South Korean coach will be replaced.
I recommend a European football coach well known to make teams better and has some ambition.
Hello Samsung…
If you are reading this… I recommend you do your ‘thang and copy the shit out of this:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/01/flip-phone-yanko/
Another EPIC day. All’s good in the hood. And, again, a little faith in myself has proven to be quite rewarding.
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Hey, Yangachi. I like Sistar’s “Push Push” song. Great dance. Moderately intricate and layered electro pop song. Some people affectionately call it the “pregnancy song” because of the ambiguous lyrics… “Push, push, baby boy… I want sistar!”, which I think is cute. I also really like this American girl dancing to the song here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGJcoZWeY5g
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Wangkong: That’s some cool shit, one of those “Now why didn’t I think of that?” type of items. I want one.
@99 We’re on it.
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