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Hating the Korean Wave redux

As mentioned previously at TMH here (and maybe here), Korean girl bands have gained some popularity in Japan.  As with Korean dramas in the mid and early 2000′s, this popularity has garnered an interesting response from some in Japanese society.    Ah, fond memories.  Apparently, Manga Kenkanryū was popular enough to have spawned three sequels!

So, now we are in the second decade of the new century and in the mist of a new “Korean Wave” in Japan, dissenter voices have arisen among the manga ranks yet again.  Say hello to “Chase of fabricated K-pop boom.”  Well, I’m sure there is a better way to translate the title, but hey, blame it on the Korea Times.

(Image from Innolife)

The manga illustrates allegations that the Korean girl band wave is a “manufactured” phenomenon scripted by unscrupulous Korean companies and the government, pouring money into Japan to promote its popularity.  Furthermore, it alleges that the girl groups have to perform sexual favors in Korea, etc.  They threw in the suicide of actress Jang Ja-yeon for good measure too.

Update: SeoulBeats has even more images from the comic.  Might be NSFW.

  • seouldout

    A disturbing development. I recommend the Japanese people be careful of the Korean wave. Too much sexualised young girl. Next thing you know they’ll start prostituting themselves with octopodes to buy expensive handbags.

  • hardyandtiny

    I am a shock.

  • tinyflowers

    Ah, if only Korea was as enlightened as Japan in its treatment of women…

    I expect more of the same as the Japanese cultural footprint continues to shrink in Asia and the rest of the world. The otaku are fighting back the only way they know how – with comics!

  • Charles Tilly

    Apparently China’s jumping on the “Hating the Korean Wave” bandwagon as well. Per this MBC news report:

    중국 CCTV/지난 12일 “성형수술과 성매매를 강요당하는 등 여성 연예인은 그야말로 성노예와 다름없습니다.”

    On January 12, China’s CCTV stated that “Forced to undergo plastic surgery and sell sex among other things, female Korean stars are little different than sex slaves.”

    Link: http://imnews.imbc.com/replay/nwdesk/article/2778645_5780.html

  • αβγδε

    (Hating the Korean Wave) redux – Yes.
    Hating the (Korean Wave redux) – Yes.

    Difference between now and then? Not sure but I think Koreans and Kpop fans care less.

    Kara’s album has recently gone platinum in Japan, while SNSD’s album is now gold.

  • Andrew

    The Korean media report this? How insecure are Koreans that this is news. In the U.S. there’s porn parody’s of entire movies (Forrest Hump or something).

  • seouldout

    This doesn’t bode well for Japanese Foreign Minister Seiji Maehara’s visit to Seoul. Let’s all hope he and his ROK counterpart can resolve this K-Pop dispute to the mutual benefit of all.

    BTW, way back when the pitch made of Korea’s entertainment exports was that it was more wholesome than the American/Western sexualised rubbish. Given the neighbors are now complaining of deviant cultural pollution produced by the holier-than-thous I gotta ask: Has Korea joined the dark side?

  • Granfalloon

    I’m starting to think Japan and China do not love Korea.

  • CactusMcHarris

    Good to see that hating what you’re not/don’t have (and want to be/have) is not exclusively an Occidental trait.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    BTW, way back when the pitch made of Korea’s entertainment exports was that it was more wholesome than the American/Western sexualised rubbish. Given the neighbors are now complaining of deviant cultural pollution produced by the holier-than-thous I gotta ask: Has Korea joined the dark side?

    I think Korean entertainment exports are rather pretty tame compared to the entertainment exports of the other developed East Asian country [to Korea's immediate east].

    Granfalloon,

    They hate because so many of their countrymen love. If so many of their countrymen didn’t love Korea, they wouldn’t have any reason to hate.

  • CactusMcHarris

    #10,

    Give ‘em a few years and you will have your titties and beer on TV in Taegu.

  • seouldout

    @10 – winky, it’s what the customers think, ain’t it?

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    @ CactusMcHarris,

    Nah… Korea is too confucian to be Romania or Bulgaria… ;)

    @ seouldout,

    Wake me up when Korea produces graphic sex cartoons, scat and tentacle porn.

    Furthermore, it’s the Japanese that are putting Kara and SNSD in their underwear, not the Koreans.

  • seouldout

    Didn’t know Japan was considered “American/Western entertainment” I mentioned above. Thanks for clearing that up, winky.

  • tinyflowers

    Given the neighbors are now complaining of deviant cultural pollution

    Who? where? All I see here is some insecure basement dwelling otakus raging against the continued popularity of Kpop in Japan. Nothing new.

  • tinyflowers

    They hate because so many of their countrymen love. If so many of their countrymen didn’t love Korea, they wouldn’t have any reason to hate.

    Nailed it.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    Where do old Korean teenage pop stars go? At least one ended up opening a bbq restaurant in Atlanta, Georgia:

    http://blogs.ajc.com/food-and-more/2011/01/14/heirloom-market-bbq-dining-review-atlanta/?cxntlid=sldr_hm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l292efsIrE

  • marcel joseph

    “The manga illustrates allegations that the Korean girl band wave is a “manufactured” phenomenon scripted by unscrupulous Korean companies and the government, pouring money into Japan to promote its popularity. Furthermore, it alleges that the girl groups have to perform sexual favors in Korea”

    Check, check, check, check and check. Is any of this not true????

    Bravo your corporate oligarchy.

    Selling out is the Korean Pop music way.

  • cm

    “Check, check, check, check and check. Is any of this not true????”

    Not necessarily. Just because maybe about 20 percent of girls have to perform sexual favors in Korea (according to Korean media polls), doesn’t necessarily mean SNSD or Kara (the two groups portrayed in the manga) are doing them.

    “Korean girl band wave is a “manufactured” phenomenon scripted by unscrupulous Korean companies and the government, pouring money into Japan to promote its popularity”

    Them dirty scheming Korean gooks controlling Japan.

  • Fullslab

    Cm,
    Of course you say it “isn’t true”(apologist). But I’d say there are “slave contracts” and casting couches in the seedy realm of the South Korean KPOP girl bands.
    http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/09/entertainment/la-ca-cultural-exchange-20110109
    The fact that 24 Korean male executives were never charged despite the “Jang Ja-yeon paper” tells me that at least some of it IS true. “Though two of Jang’s former managers were each sentenced to 12 months in jail last October for extortion, nearly two dozen executives named in the actress’ suicide note — now known as the “Jang Ja-yeon paper” — were never charged.”
    Here is a Korean female singer who sings…”I just want to F*** you,”… in…”G-M$ta” ft color -cast…
    http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2011/01/worst-k-pop-of-2010.html

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  • cm

    FullSlab, I said “it doesn’t mean it’s necessarily true”. Do you have a reading comprehension? All your other points are moot, if you cannot prove SNSD and KARA are part of the group of 20 percent who said they have had fuck sessions with balding middle aged men, to get to where they are. They may or they may not, nobody knows except they. But to accuse them of something that you cannot prove what they are allegedly doing, is what’s called libelous actions.

  • cm

    “Do you have a reading comprehension problem?”

  • Fullslab

    cm,
    “Do you have a reading comprehension problem”?
    I don’t get how or why you would think I do, what about you? I don’t think anyone ever accused SNSD and/or KARA of having fucking sessions with middle aged men, you got it all twisted so I think you’re discombobulated.

    Okay, you’re correct you apologist… Never has the Korean entertainment industry manufactured a girl group or ever had a casting couch and the “Jang, Ja-yeon paper” is also moot. Nor has a Korean female singer ever sang “I Just Wanna F*** You”…
    http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2011/01/worst-k-pop-of-2010.html

    FYI, there has NEVER been an American/British etc… female singer who has ever sang in a song that she…”Just Wants to F*** You?”
    Those Korean Entertainment companies can get Korean female purported singers, dancers, and actresses to say and do almost anything for possible stardom and/or money!!!

  • Fullslab

    cm,
    I suppose you are on the side of SM Entertainment against the Chinese Han Keng(Super Junior member), eh?

    cm,
    You remind of those Kanye West toasts in his song “Runaway.”

  • cm

    Once again dufus, we’re not talking about SM Entertainment or Chinese Han Keng, or Jang Ja Yon, or the sex slavery, the prostitution, or Korean men.

    The comic book is specifically accusing two girl groups of having forced sex with their boss(s). Now that may or may not be true in real life, we may never know. But all I’m asking for is your proof, and if you don’t have any, you have no right to accuse them of anything. And no, SM Entertainment against Chinese Han Keng is not proof that these girls are forced to have sex.

  • Fullslab

    cm,
    “dufus”
    I have all the proof that I need that Korean entertainment companies have had casting couches, SLAVE contracts, etc…
    As Kanye says…
    Let’s have a toast for the douchebags…cough, cough, U
    Let’s have a toast for the A-holes…cough, cough, U
    Let’s have a toast for the scumbags…cough, cough, U
    Let’s have a toast for the jerk-offs…cough, cough, U

  • Fullslab

    cm,
    I suggest you get off one more time and dream…
    http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2011/01/worst-k-pop-of-2010.html

  • yuna

    I would be truly happy when more of these kenkanryu type manga artists can do as many introspection of their own vapid culture and the Taiwanese youtube videos(this one is a little better, I have to admit) can make videos of Taiwanese hating the Koreans for some rule in some game, etc. and of course the same goes for the non-existent political/social satire in South Korea.

    While I appreciate the creative satirical outlet but I wonder when the day will come in Asia when they are free to devote them to their own introspective critique rather than riding on hating between the three. It’s pathetic.

  • Fullslab

    cm(I mean like Kanye said),
    Since when do people/non-Koreans outside Korea need proof of anything said that is pretty obvious? Keep dreamin! Yes, it’s true that non-Koreans need proof when up against a Korean inside Korea. But I think most non-Koreans believe that even though the Korean law says innocent until proven guilty that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s true especially when a non-Korean is up against a Korean or company. So, given that what was said was said ouuside Korea, you know what you can do.
    Isn’t it ironic that you, the netizens, and the Korean media suddenly needs proof about this issue but have never needed it with the lies they have made against native English teachers the past 100 + years.

  • Fullslab

    Correction…”native English teachers” should be “native language teachers.”
    I can remember recently and countless times when Korean newspaper(s), made it look like the white language teacher(s) committed murder, imported marijuana, etc… when it was really a Korean or Korean American. For whatever reason no proof was ever needed then huh douchebag, A-hole, scumbag, and jerk-off?

  • yuna

    A bit bitter about something, Fullslab?
    Go on, Frasier’s listening.

    Yes, it’s true that non-Koreans need proof when up against a Korean inside Korea. But I think most non-Koreans believe that even though the Korean law says innocent until proven guilty that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s true especially when a non-Korean is up against a Korean or company

    re: Han Myungsook the former PM, I’d see the non-Korean comments here employ the “where there’s no smoke..” so it’s not always one way.
    Every case is an individual case but the trend, especially when it’s against, rather than for a group of people gets the wings, especially when that group is weak and/or not represented within the country. I think it’s about time the media/creative people just shoot both ways without the fear of government/netizen backlash.

  • cm

    Fullslab, you are all over yourself. I’ve never accused the English teachers of anything. If you want to play that angle then fine. In essence, if we go by your standards, then you’re a drug importing drug consuming English teacher. Isn’t it true marijuana is legal in Canada? Isn’t it true drug problem is more serious in the West? Isn’t it true there are crack houses everywhere? So you must be a drug addict pushing drugs in Korea. Of course I have no proof, and I don’t even know you, but who needs proof when we all know West has problems with drugs. That’s enough proof for me.

  • Fullslab

    cm,
    The point is that the Korean media dish out LIES almost everyday about anything foreign, but when another people make common sense claims(given real facts — not LIES such as 3000 foreingers in Korea have and/or spread HIV/AIDS, or MOST English teachers sexually harass, assault, do drugs, etc…) about the HORRID Korean entertainment industry, then good God shall stike down on them eh? Get a life Apologists!
    Where were you when Korean politicians/an official at the Ministry of Health and Welfare’s Korea Center said…
    “There is little probability that someone will be infected by AIDS as long as that person does not have sex with a foreigner. However, if the rumors are true, then Koreans who have had sexual contact with a foreigner will almost all contract AIDS.”
    Or…
    “Koreans who have had sexual contact with a foreigner will almost all contract AIDS”

    Sorry cm, but you get ZIPPPO empathy from me. Can you pronounce the ‘Z’ in zippo?

  • cm

    Fullslab, where do you think papers like LA Times get their stories about Korean entertainers getting sexually exploited from their companies? They got them from the Korean media that dishes out lies. Isn’t it true the west have statistically much higher rates of AIDS, therefore a far likely chance that English teachers to have AIDS than Koreans? Which in turn, it is more likely you yourself are an AIDS carrier. Guilt by association. So how is it a lie to warn Koreans from having sex with Western men, when statistically speaking it is true white men are greater number of AIDS carriers?

  • seouldout

    With all this brouhaha ad nauseum over the Korean wave should I equate this movement with that famous one of the 1960s? Reading the Korean triumphalism it certainly seems that way. Am I’m missing something? Should I too believe the hype?

    Are today’s Korean artists the new Beatles, Dusty Springfield, Chad & Jeremy, Peter and Gordon, The Animals, Manfred Mann, Petula Clark, Freddie and the Dreamers, Wayne Fontana and the Mindbenders, Herman’s Hermits, The Rolling Stones, The Troggs, Donovan, The Kinks, The Dave Clark Five, The Who, and The Zombies, i.e., “the British Invasion”.

    I decided to check it out.

    A note: I ran a few dozen searches and any website that was obviously a kpop fan site (ex. allkpop) I ignored. I believe I’ve compiled a good list of well-known music and press sites.

    Think of music, and you’re likely to think of MTV, so I took a look at MTV’s Buzzclips of 2010, Japan’s four hot clips of each month. Kara got some buzz in August.

    Billboard’s top 50 for the penultimate week of 2010 sees Kara with 2 songs and Gee (Girls Generation) and Choshinsei (Supernova) each with 1 song. (Made it a pain in the rear that some Korean groups have different names in Japan; had I not checked I would’ve missed Girls Generation and Supernova.)

    On youtube some fella put up Japan’s Top 50 songs of the year and claimed it was Billboard’s ranking, but didn’t link to anything official. No Korean songs made it.

    On wiki I found a list of Billboard Japan’s #1 songs for 2010. No Korean artists topped the chart last year. Gotta top that chart once in a while to claim legitimacy.

    The Japan Times’ Listening Post provides Japan’s top albums of 2010 as rated by 7 different music bloggers (of whom I have no idea), and no Korean artists are listed.

    Since Apple’s iTunes has changed the game on how music is distributed I checked out its charts. Sadly, no Top 10 of 2010, so it’s just what’s hot this week. There was reason for hope when I saw the #1 Album for Japan is Playing the Piano from Seoul 20110109_8pm, but that pianist in Seoul is a fella named Ryuichi Sakamoto. Not very Korean Wavish, is he? Kara makes #9 on the chart. Gotta say that I didn’t see any other Korean wave groups on any of the other charts of the other nations.

    Korean wave acts do better with the week’s top 10 singles. (Allow me to digress: if you check out the price per single I think you’re better off visiting a record store in Seoul.)

    Some Japan culture fanboi site also put together a list of 2010′s best and no Koreans. All the songs were I heard I wouldn’t term mainstream, but I’m not Japanese. (I tossed this in to show there’s something interesting going on.)

    Certainly there’s evidence that a few Korean groups have done well this year, but it’s far from an invasion and really can’t even be called a wave. If you must, call it the Korean Ripple.

    In conclusion, I listened to a lot a dreadful music that’s very popular in Japan, and if forced to chose my remaining days’ torture by listening to either J-Pop, K-Pop, or C-Pop, I’m picking the Korean Ripple.

  • YangachiBastardo

    Christ Japanese people accusing anybody of producing lurid entertainment would be like Naples people accusing some other place of deficiencies in their garbage management infrastructure…

    anyway tangentially related i’m a big fan of the Sun Ken Rock manga, i’m starting to wonder though if it might not be an anti-Koreean product (in a subtle way though)

  • Fullslab

    cm,
    YOU and/or other netizens would in a heartbeat be calling any member of SNSD, KARA, or any other Korean female ‘YANGGONGJU’ if they were photographed with a white man at a bar/party drinking, so STFU.

  • Darth Babaganoosh

    Is there a pool yet on how long before Fullslab gets the boot?

  • seouldout

    Isn’t it true the west have statistically much higher rates of AIDS, therefore a far likely chance that English teachers to have AIDS than Koreans?

    Assuming the applicant is a westerner then yes, the pre-tested ET applicant has a greater chance of carrying AIDS.

    Which in turn, it is more likely you yourself are an AIDS carrier.

    Hmmm… less likely. Is this person a bona fide ET who has been tested for HIV? If so, then hi/she is much less likely to be a carrier. Of course if he/she han’t been tested, then he/she could be a carrier. Like all the Koreans in Korea who haven’t been tested, eh?

    Guilt by association.

    Well, that’s hard to conclude. How are they associating? Ass-to-mouth? Or just watching Wondergirl videos?

    where do you think papers like LA Times get their stories about Korean entertainers getting sexually exploited from their companies?

    Last time I checked the LA Times has reporters on penn. Have Korean surnames to boot. Interesting reports coming from ‘em.

    Of course there’s a long and proud history a Korean gals getting pimped out by their men. You think the national character has changed in the last 3 minutes since I starting typing this?

  • seouldout

    You know YangachiBastardo, most often I read what you have to say and I have no idea WTF you’re commenting about. Note due to your English, mate. You have a deep cultural reference on this cartoon stuff.

    i’m a big fan of the Sun Ken Rock manga, i’m starting to wonder though if it might not be an anti-Koreean product (in a subtle way though)

    I had no idea who Run Ken Sock is, but because you intrigue me it googled him up – I’ve given up on your youtube links ‘cuz those are a disaster.

    Ken, a young Japanese guy, is in love with a young Korean girl Yumin. He followed her in Korea and wants to become a policeman just like her. But then, he finds himself at the head of a local gang. What will happen to Ken?

    What will happen to Ken? Really? That’s the question? I’ve got a different one. How the f*ck does some random foreigner find himself the head of a local gang?! It’s another country! He’ll be driven bat shit crazy… that’s what’s happen to him. Anyway, some time ago some geezer at another site raved about Death Note, I checked it ought, and it was alright. So I’m gonna give your Jap posin’ as a gang leader story a try.

  • YangachiBastardo

    How the f*ck does some random foreigner find himself the head of a local gang?! It’s another country!

    Well technically speaking, after living for 1 year like a poor piece of shit loser in a filthy koshiwon Ken one day witnesses the beating of an old street vendor by some gundal pa, enraged he rescues the old man tearing the gangpeh to shreds with his unbelievable strenght. It happens that another gang see what happened and offer him to become their boss…but dude your looking for logic in a manga ? Kinda like looking for a clean toilet in the Philippines

    What will happen to Ken?

    Last book published in Italy is # 9 (i found another one in HK but i don’t know jack shit about Chinese characters, wifey does but she’s repelled by such shit so she refuse to translate it for me), where Ken is working as an intern at k-pop entertainment agency, that’s why i made the anti-korean reference cos the whole series seem to show the country as a very modern but crime infested and full of sadistically evil scumfucks, particularly those working in the k-pop industry.

    Apparently the author is a zainichi.

    Anyway, some time ago some geezer at another site raved about Death Note, I checked it ought, and it was alright

    As you seem to be into the emo shit…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2iDkf1SAWY

  • bumfromkorea

    “The manga illustrates allegations that the Korean girl band wave is a “manufactured” phenomenon scripted by unscrupulous Korean companies and the government, pouring money into Japan to promote its popularity. ”

    All true, though I’m not so sure how ‘unscrupulous’ this would be… If anything, I’d say it’s a very impressive marketing strategy.

    “Furthermore, it alleges that the girl groups have to perform sexual favors in Korea”

    Eh… I’m sure “casting couch” thing is happening, but I’m not so sure if this would apply to A-list girl groups who probably makes more money/clout for the entertainment company than their sexual favors are worth… Besides, isn’t one of them supposed to be related to the president of the company or something?

    My question is, is this an actual genuine attempt by a Korean Wave-hater to diminish the K-pop sales in Japan, or is it just some cartoon pornmaker’s way of ‘riding the (Korean) wave’ (so to speak ;))?

  • cm

    “cm,
    YOU and/or other netizens would in a heartbeat be calling any member of SNSD, KARA, or any other Korean female ‘YANGGONGJU’ if they were photographed with a white man at a bar/party drinking, so STFU.”

    On the contrary, my dear Fullslab. I don’t give a shit who anyone chooses to date or marry. More power to them if they snagged a white man, so STFU.

    ” Hmmm… less likely. Is this person a bona fide ET who has been tested for HIV? If so, then hi/she is much less likely to be a carrier. Of course if he/she han’t been tested, then he/she could be a carrier. Like all the Koreans in Korea who haven’t been tested, eh?”

    It figures it would be Seouldout who just wasted a slice of moment of his life to actually seriously argue over this. I’m left speechless.

  • seouldout

    ^ Thank goodness for your speechlessness Very tired of your drivel.

  • cm

    Well I guess you have to put up with my drivel. Too bad isn’t it? If you are tired of it, you shouldn’t be responding with your own stupid drivels full of insecurity.

  • resident kyopo

    fullslab is a butthurt moron, tl;dr

    Of course cm has said his fair share of nonsensical things during this typical slapfight at the Marmot’s Hole, but way to go unloading all of your petty grievances against Korean society and culture on an innocent bystander. It’s like screaming at a Mexican immigrant that Mexico has a dysfunctional government and skyrocketing rates of violent crime if he ever dares to bring up the subject of racism in the US. Talk about a non sequitur. You’re got all the poise and sophistication of a meth-addicted chimp, my waeguk friend.

    Also what’s your point, my angry extra-chromosome possessing amigo? I understand cm’s point very well, but somehow you come across as a deranged moron who loves to substitute red herrings and strawmen for rational argumentation. No offense, it’s just my personal opinion.

  • yuna

    It’s just a backlash to things like these
    I would say despite the critical views expressed of the Korean pop culture, the sede-kyoche (next generation)of hallyu, post-Yonsama, (in Japan at least) is pretty complete and in full force.
    Maybe it will be as good as “We got Married.”, I look foward to watching Urakara, I hope I can get it somewhere..

  • yuna

    Oops, maybe I spoke too soon. The story setting of the series is, chotto, shall we say, too close for comfort to what the industry is accused of. Maybe it’s an overt joke.

  • wjk, 검은 머리 외국인

    【서울=뉴시스】이재우 기자 = 서울경찰청 광역수사대는 16일 여고생인 가수 지망생을 성폭행하고 나체사진을 찍은 기획사 대표 A씨(30)를 아동청소년의성보호에관한법률 위반 등 혐의로 구속했다.A씨는 지난해 4월부터 9월까지 가수 지망생 B양(18)에게 ‘스폰서에게 줄 성관계 장면이 필요하다’, ‘이탈 방지용 나체사진을 찍어야 한다’며 강요해 5차례에 걸쳐 성폭행하고 나체 사진 등을 찍은 혐의를 받고 있다.

    또한 A씨는 지난 2007년 9월부터 지난해 9월까지 연기 지망생 C양(22)·D양(24)을 같은 수법으로 성폭행하고 나체 사진 등을 촬영한 혐의도 받고 있다.

    경찰 조사결과 중소형 기획사를 운영하는 A씨는 소속 연습생에게 ‘연예인을 하려면 성형수술비와 연습비 등이 필요하다’며 돈을 낼 수 없으면 스폰서를 구해야한다고 강요한 것으로 드러났다.

    특히 ‘지난해 4월 B양을 선발한 뒤 6개월간 가수 연습은 일체 시키지 않은 채 ‘몸매 관리를 잘했는지 확인해야 한다’는 등의 이유를 들어 성폭행해 온 것으로 조사됐다.

    A씨는 ‘B양 등에게 스폰서와 관련, 충분한 설명를 한 뒤 합의하에 성관계를 맺었다’며 성폭행 혐의를 부인했다고 경찰은 전했다.

    반면, B양은 ‘반 강제적으로 성관계를 맺었다’며 ‘가수 연습을 시켜주지 않은 것은 물론, 스폰서도 소개시켜 주지 않았다’고 말했다고 덧붙였다.

    한편, 경찰은 압수한 A씨의 컴퓨터에서 A씨가 삭제한 10여명의 나체사진과 (성관계) 동영상을 추가로 복원하고 수사를 확대하고 있다.

    ironn108@newsis.com

    이재우(기자)
    and by the way, Fxxk G-dragon

  • wjk, 검은 머리 외국인
  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    My 2 cents.

    Several factors here. I’ll start with the most basic one. First of all is that I don’t think it’s logically tenable to say that the movie and drama industries are the same as the music industry. They are structured differently, especially as it deals with personnel. To say that Korean girl groups are abused sexually because of what [may have] happened to Jang Ja-yeon, and to have that as your only evidence, is a logical step that’s difficult to make. Then again, it’s a comic. If your main source of truth and reality is a comic, then you have bigger problems.

    I’d have to say that a mid-level actress vs. a performer in a girl band, the mid-level actress is a more commoditized product. Actresses kinda rise from the ranks and do a lot to try and differentiate themselves from the pack, particularly when they are trying to build up a career. The way girl groups develop is very different. First of all, most actresses (there are cases of “child” or adolescent actors, but that’s the minority) start their careers in early adulthood. Girl groups start well into their teens, if not earlier. I had a friend who was recruited by a music producer at the age of 12! These girls train for as long as four years so when they debut, they come out looking very polished performers for their age. Now, I wouldn’t put it past a Korean ajoshi to try and oogle a teenage girl, but I’d guess that most mentally normal older men would find that a little deviant. Most of the ladies at room salons (an industry that serves the prime demographic of older Korean men who have some power/wealth) are well into their 20’s if not a little older. If ajoshis really wanted to sit down and drink with teenagers, wouldn’t you see more room salons with 18 year old hostesses?

    A Korean girl band is a well trained and a well oiled money making machine. Lots of time and investment are put into developing and maintaining that product. They are not as easy to replace as say a mid-level actress. If you think about it from the management and production standpoint, why would you try to mess up this money making machine?

    Now, I can see this system breaking down if a girl band is unsuccessful. I mean, these gals spend their developmental years not studying for a college entrance exam but to be stars. What if it doesn’t pan out? Do they have the skills to enter Korea’s highly competitive workforce? Then there may be a risk that they enter the room salon workforce, etc. as they enter their 20’s. However, saying that SNSD or Kara, both very successful girl groups, were hostesses and/or danced naked is just a bit of a stretch, and reflects otaku flights of fancy, if anything else. Considering their career trajectory, they would have had to have done this in their mid to late teenage years! I’d have to say that there are certainly unsavory elements to the Korean entertainment industry, but these girls are trained for years to be money making dancing and singing fembots. Why throw away that tremendous investment by making them do something they are not trained to do (and may traumatize their teenage minds)? It doesn’t make any sense if you think about it from a practical perspective, and especially from a business standpoint.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    Another thing. Usually otaku drawers make out Koreans to be a rather stereotypically ugly lot with square faces, forward slashes for eyes and straw-like, jet black hair. They have done a rather fine job of making the girl band girls look pretty good in the mangas. Methinks they have done plenty of fapping to SM and DSP production videos.

  • YangachiBastardo

    However, saying that SNSD or Kara, both very successful girl groups, were hostesses and/or danced naked is just a bit of a stretch, and reflects otaku flights of fancy, if anything else

    Indeed otaku wanking at his finest…even the drawing style reminds me of some cheap porno manga dating back to 1984

  • http://forum.koreansentry.com Koreansentry

    Nothing’s change in Japan. Don’t expect anything from Japan as they don’t expect anything from Korea.

  • Fullslab

    WangKon939,
    “It doesn’t make any sense if you think about it.”
    Since when does “sense” or logic matter in S. Korea?

  • resident kyopo

    Fullslab, you are an excellent reason why women shouldn’t have babies past their thirties

  • Wedge

    An old buddy of mine used to emcee an entertainment show in the 90s on SBS. He said it was the bands’ managers, who were of course female, who “slept” with the producers to get their acts on stage, not the performers themselves. Actual talent was of course not a factor.

  • tinyflowers

    Add another full slab of stupidity to the mix.

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  • Railwaycharm

    Newspapers and the entertainment industry in Korea attract unsavory people.