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Mongolia, Nazis and Interracial Sex, Oh My!

This was emailed to me by a few people, who for reasons beyond my ken thought a piece mixing Mongolia, Nazis and interracial sex might interest me:

Groups such as Tsagaan Khass, or White Swastika, portray themselves as patriots standing up for ordinary citizens in the face of foreign crime, rampant inequality, political indifference and corruption.

But critics say they scapegoat and attack the innocent. The US state department has warned travellers of increased assaults on inter-racial couples in recent years – including organised violence by ultra-nationalist groups.

Dayar Mongol threatened to shave the heads of women who sleep with Chinese men. Three years ago, the leader of Blue Mongol was convicted of murdering his daughter’s boyfriend, reportedly because the young man had studied in China.

Though Tsagaan Khass leaders say they do not support violence, they are self-proclaimed Nazis. “Adolf Hitler was someone we respect. He taught us how to preserve national identity,” said the 41-year-old co-founder, who calls himself Big Brother.

Charming. You have to give them credit for at least being honest, though:

“We have to make sure that as a nation our blood is pure. That’s about our independence,” said 23-year-old Battur, pointing out that the population is under three million.

“If we start mixing with Chinese, they will slowly swallow us up. Mongolian society is not very rich. Foreigners come with a lot of money and might start taking our women.”

Foreigners without a lot of money might starting taking your women, too. Just sayin’.

Anyway, while the Nazis themselves probably don’t have a lot of support, anti-Chinese sentiment is pretty widespread:

“While most people feel far-right discourse is too extreme, there seems to be a consensus that China is imperialistic, ‘evil’ and intent on taking Mongolia,” said Franck Billé of Cambridge University, who is researching representations of Chinese people in Mongolia.

Hip hop tracks such as Don’t Go Too Far, You Chinks by 4 Züg – chorus: “shoot them all, all, all” – have been widely played in bars and clubs. Urban myths abound; some believe Beijing has a secret policy of encouraging men to have sex with Mongolian women.

Lovely.

On a more enriching note, NPR did run a piece on Mongolian hip-hop last year — it’s actually worth reading.

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  • Craash

    ….said the 41-year-old co-founder, who calls himself Big Brother.

    “We don’t agree with ……. starting the second world war.”

    Don’t they know the second world war is history?

  • Craash

    It is nothing new though – every country seems to have its extreme groups of people who want to protect “their” countries blood.

    USA – K.K.K.
    Australia – Pauline Hanson
    Romania – Noua Dreaptă
    France – crusades
    Korea – A.E.S.
    etc etc.

  • CactusMcHarris

    I didn’t know that Mongolia’s got an AES franchise, too!

  • aaronm

    Craash,

    Not to defend Hanson – the woman was an idiot – but One Nation, the party she started, was nativist and not about ethnic purity. In fact, one of the party’s elected Queensland MLAs was married to a Lao woman, so you’d hardly lump them in with the KKK. For France you should have put Front National

  • Craash

    One of her plans was to send all the “Indigenous Australians” (aboriginals) to Tasmania to live – she wanted everyone except “white” people out of mainland Australia.

  • aaronm

    I don’t remember seeing that in any official ON literature at the time, but then again you never knew what she was thinking, especially with that tax policy she swiped lock stock from Lyndon La’rouche that even she didn’t understand.

  • http://forum.koreansentry.com Koreansentry

    USA – K.K.K.
    Australia – correction –> One Nation Party & Christian Party
    Romania – Noua Dreaptă
    France – crusades
    Korea – A.E.S.
    Japan – NSJAP & Uyoku dantai
    =======================

  • gangpehmoderniste

    In fact, one of the party’s elected Queensland MLAs was married to a Lao woman, so you’d hardly lump them in with the KKK.

    You may be surprised..actually quite a few white supremacist men (i don’t know about women) have a morbid attraction for women of other ethnicities, of course cheap psychological explanations for such behaviour spring to mind.

    Apparently even legendary nazi rocker Ian Stuart Donaldson was rumoured to have dated an Indian woman

  • slim

    Isn’t Koreansentry a spiritual cousin of AES?

  • http://midnightengineer.wordpress.com/ NetizenKim

    If a Chinese makes the “double-backed beast” with a Mongolian, this is considered as interracial sex? This is assuming one with an untrained eye can distinguish which one is which! The definition of “race” has become muddled…I must have missed the memo.

    Furthermore, I am at a loss as to why the descendents of Genghis Khan are looking to Hitler as inspiration. Shouldn’t they keep their ideological heroes “in-house” also?

    If this is what happens when a people feels threatened by China’s growing influence, then I can’t for the day when Africans start turning into Nazi’s.

  • Max

    Foreigners without a lot of money might starting taking your women, too. Just sayin’.

    lol! great quote, made my day.

  • cm

    It’s not surprising considering the resentment that China fuels on all its neighbors. Simply put, they are so big and so many and numerous that they trigger a fear. When people fear an outside force, elements of extremism takes hold.

    Not to mention news articles like this which triggers antagonisms:

    94.5% of Chinese netizens want military action against South Korea
    http://news.hankooki.com/lpage/world/201008/h2010080420293522450.htm

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    94.5% of Chinese netizens want military action against South Korea

    They will moderate their views after they pass puberty and move out of their parent’s apartment.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    DLB,

    Have you ever gone to a KA church revival and been reminded of Jewish school? Hahahaha…

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    Crap… wrong thread.

  • cm

    “They will moderate their views after they pass puberty and move out of their parent’s apartment”

    You would hope so, but it’s their grown ups in their media who are the ones fanning the hate by putting up questions like that. There were only two options that the 20,000 people had to pick: yes, get rid of South Korea militarily, or try to talk to them and turn them into China’s side.

    Not many options for them to choose.

  • slim

    I’d love to hear The Marmot’s experience here, but I was married to a Mongolian for 5 years (2000-5) and in my several visits to Ulan Bator and nearby areas, I was told in no uncertain terms that it would be dangerous for a white man to walk hand in hand or even side by side with my wife in public, because of nationalist sentiment. (this was true in the Mongolian enclaves in Seoul, too). Mongolians tend to drink like the former Soviet subjects they effectively were and IMHO don’t handle their alcohol well.

    When it comes to China and Chinese, though, I reckon the fear and loathing among Mongolians is existential. They see what happened to Tibet and Turkestan (not to mention Inner Mongolia) and really don’t believe China’s imperial mindset has changed.

  • DLBarch

    Does anyone else think that “Married to a Mongolian” would be a great idea for a late night sitcom? Adult Swim, anyone?

    DLB

  • cm

    Wangkon, read what the Chinese military honchos think about South Korea.
    They say they want to degrade small minnows like South Korea. This is their media press, not just netizen trash talk:

    또한 중국의 유명 군사전문가인 다이슈(載旭) 중국인민해방군 공군대좌(대령)는 와의 인터뷰에서 “중국은 대국답게 정정당당하고 옳다”며 “소국(한국)과 마찬가지로 무대에 오를 필요는 없다”며, 한국을 소국으로 격하시킨 뒤 중국인들에게 대국 국민답게 냉정을 지킬 것을 권유했다.

    그는 또 천안함 사건후 중국에 대한 한국의 비우호적 태도에 대해서도 “이는 단지 한국의 민족과 정치가 성숙되지 못했을뿐”이라고 힐난한 뒤, “한국은 국제사회와 중국에게 스스로 이미지를 실추시켰다”고 비난했다

    http://www.viewsnnews.com/article/view.jsp?seq=65962

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    cm,

    I’m still skeptical. What is “Views & News” anyways? Is it a reputable source in Korea? Do these quoted Chinese military officials even exist?

    Taiwanese and Chinese sources do it all the time when they say they “interviewed” such and such Korean professor at such and such Korean university about claiming Sun Yat Sen, Mao or Confucius as Korean.

  • cm

    I believe it’s a left wing publication. Why would they write anti Chinese material if they are pro-North Korean/Chinese paper? Same with the Korea Times which I’ve quoted already.

  • cm

    Wait a second, I just thought of something. They could be publishing the story to show how bad Lee Myung Bak’s foreign policy is, and to show how much South Korea’s relationship with China and North Korea is getting worse because of him. So, I take it back.

    But I still think there’s something to this story, and all we have to do is to search the Chinese news for the names and the Chinese editorials mentioned in the articles, to verify the truth.

  • cm

    The story is true, just checked it. This appeared in their news, Huanqiu Sibo which is very nationalistic, August 2 story.

    http://world.huanqiu.com/roll/2010-08/979015.html

    Poll results here:

    http://survey.huanqiu.com/result.php?s=SFFzdXJ2ZXlfMjY0MQ@`5^1@@`5^1@

  • slim

    WK -

    Col. Dai Xu is a fairly widely quoted military pundit in China. The writings or quotations of Chinese military types is often as close to KCNA-style hawkish bombast as China’s state media gets. Not sure how much is bluster for domestic consumption, but US China specialists spend a lot of time reading Chinese military journals for clues to thinking and strategy, in the absence of transparency and regular military-military exchanges.

    cm
    As for Chinese netizens, I’d apply the same perspective to their rantings as you remind people here to maintain when citing Korean netizens as representative. In addition to the globally common Internet comment issues — anonymity, predominantly male, nationalistic venting, etc — the Chinese web has some unique attributes, such as that army of state-sponsored trolls out there defending China and attacking its critics and a censored domestic media scene and educational system that significantly narrows the information menu that feeds Chinese netizens.

    In your example: “There were only two options that the 20,000 people had to pick: yes, get rid of South Korea militarily, or try to talk to them and turn them into China’s side,” note that there isn’t a “maybe the fault lies with North Korea” choice. That’s not by accident — even though there is evidence a number of thoughtful Chinese are fed up with their country slumming it with North Korea.

  • cm

    My translation is a bit off. It doesn’t say “militarily”. I should have said “give pressure to South Korea”. It could mean militarily or economically, or both.

  • http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

    I’m gonna have my Taiwanese friend check up on it.

  • cm

    The editorial is titled “South Korea’s image severely damaged in the eyes of the Chinese”

    They’re calling for a fight back, with strong pressure and defeat South Korea, to teach them a lesson they’ll never forget. It says South Korea is making money off of China, and depend economically on China and militarily on the US, so China can get rid of the problem with a litte tightening of the screws.
    It also quoted Chinese netizen comments that Korea has severely damaged the national interests of China time and time again, and has constantly worked against China, in favor of the United States. It quotes a Chinese military official who says Korea has damaged its reputation internationally, and that it’s political system and the people’s characters are immature. He says Chinese should look at this historically, which is, China is a great world superpower in breadth of mind and in weight, and that there’s no need to worry about small countries as if they’re equals. (Mongolia, Vietnam, and Korea, are you listening?)

  • slim

    A good part of this is because they can’t discuss the real issue — North Korea — openly.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    #10,

    “If a Chinese makes the “double-backed beast” with a Mongolian, this is considered as interracial sex? This is assuming one with an untrained eye can distinguish which one is which! The definition of “race” has become muddled…I must have missed the memo.”

    I could make the same observation about other wrongheaded nationalists (not to say that nationalists are ever right).

    As for they Mongolian xenophobes, they know all too well that Mongolia has been multi-ethnic for thousands of years.

  • cm

    Hey, I am not surprised extremist groups like this have appeared.

    Look at this historically. Historically speaking, Chinese have conquered its neighbors not through invasions, but through assimilation and absorbtion of native population into the Chinese culture and language, there by Sinicizing them. With only three million Mongolians left in the planet, and with Chinese settlers quickly moving into the area and pushing out the Mongol culture, there’s got to be some doubt as to if there will be any Mongolian culture or language left in a few decade. Look at Tibet for instance. Chinese outnumber the Tibetans in Tibet, and the Tibetan culture is being quickly replaced by Sino culture. Same thing has to other extinct ancient people like the Manchus, the Jurchens, and the other Asiatic peoples who are long extinct. Mongolians are going the same way as these people, so I can certainly understand their fear and their frustrations.

  • http://forum.koreansentry.com Koreansentry

    Isn’t Koreansentry a spiritual cousin of AES?
    ————————————————-
    No, it’s just forum discussion board.

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