34 minutes in, and it’s looking real, real ugly. It’s 0-2 for Satan’s squad, who seem to be having way too much fun out there.
See the Guardian’s minute-by-minute here.
UPDATE: Lee Chung-yong scores! Korea 1: Satan 2 at the half. Seriously, Korea needed that goal, because I’m no football expert, but it seemed the Argies were putting on a clinic. This could be far, far worse than 2-1.
A funny from the Guardian:
“German TV have just trotted out a stat that the Korean players are on average ten centimetres shorter than their opponents,” blabs Iain Copestake. “However, they have failed to mention the drag coefficients cause by Argentina having far more hair.”
UPDATE: Yeom Ki-hun could have just tied it!
Didn’t. But he could have. You gotta give Korea credit — they’re putting up a fight.
Oh, and here’s the American view of football, from the Simpsons:
UPDATE: Argies go up 3—1. I guess it had to happen eventually.
Diego Maradona’s still the Antichrist, though.
UPDATE: 4–1 Argies. Gulp.
UPDATE: Alright, the slaughter has mercifully ended. Argies 4–1, but Diego Maradona still has to go home as Diego Maradona.
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I placed bets for Argentina 2 and Korea 1 (2-1)
Thats the score now.
I just need the game to finish with no more goals.
It will be a sign of maturity for Korea as a nation if they can lose without sending in a bomb threat to the Argie Embassy or having some old coot drop his strides in the middle of Seoul.
Games not over yet but looks like Korea has already lost.
4-1 so far. Players look really lack luster today.
Hahaha…
Damn – I lost my bet – but it was a good game anyway – with Argentina slaughtering Korea.
The cheering outside my apartment by my Koreans neighbors ended a good 20 minutes ago, I guess they must be sobbing now.
I fear going to work tomorrow, all my co-workers will be upset and crying the game was foul.
still 4-1
BTW, how is the World cup going to affect Korean students tests scores?
Korean students (grade 6, middle/high school) have their national exams in 3 weeks and most students have been too occupied with their time watching and supporting (and going beserk) about the soccer.
how much is this going to affect on their test scores?
In totally unrelated news – Lisette Lee, arrested with 506 lbs of marijuana, claims to be a Samsung Heiress?
Park ChuYoung finally finds the net!
Whoops: here’s the link: http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/national_world&id=7502985
Outclassed, unfortunately. The goal barrage has also hurt Korea’s for-and-against. Looks like the Nigeria-Greece match is going to be huge.
Well, that was a thrashing, no doubt about it. I held out hope for a 2:2 draw but the third goal ruined that and the fourth was just malicious.
Damn, Maschereno and Tevez, two of the biggest a-holes in football, hate to see them winning. But Messi was great to watch.
Yeah, and coached by THE biggest a-hole in football. Still, I have to confess, the Argies were beautiful to watch.
No sex tonight . . .
Well, I’d imagine if you play for Argentina, you’ll be getting crazy laid tonight.
Argentina was simply more talented. Guys were slipping behind Korean defenders (e.g. see final match goal). I can’t believe Yeom missed that blast. Korea should hope the Greeks and Nigerians tie.
Arghhhh, I mean, Argentina play a great moving offensive game that’s hard for any team, let alone Korea, to hold off. I think they might even get to the finals.
Did you know Korea has committed the most fouls in the cup so far? Fighting!
S. Korea ran into a real team tonight. Oops.
Hurray! There’s one less game that won’t be replayed every Saturday on SBS Sports for the next 10 years.
Messi was sublime, taking on two or three defenders at a time and beating them. Things are only getting worse for Korea with Nigeria taking an early lead and improving their goal difference. At this rate, Korea will have to beat the Super Eagles, a DRAW will not suffice. Oh yeah, and while we are at it, can we have a moratorium on the use of the word “tie” when refering to football matches? Two teams sharing the same scoreline is a draw. The only tie you’ll see is around the manager’s neck. Ditto for “offense”.
Korea is in luck: Nigeria just received an obviously dumb red card.
Yes, great example of all that is wrong with football and a very typically continental reaction to a handbags incident. I hope Nigeria go on and hold out for the win now.
Watched a few minutes of Korea-Argentina tonight.
Was instantly reminded of the gayest thing in sports.
To wit: penalty kick defenders with their hands crossed over their balls, before the penalty kick. Christ, soccer sucks.
Sorry Korea lost, for what it’s worth. As someone else said, they ran into a real team, and it wasn’t pretty.
And yes, you know the Argentine players are getting laid right and left now while the Koreans attend yet another strategy session and/or team-building exercise.
Fark! Greeks equalize. First ever Greek WC goal, too.
I forgot to say, the Korea Nigeria game will be a huge night in Itaewon no doubt.
21, You’ve obviously never worn a soccer ball kicked at full clip in the face or goolies. I’m a former rugby player and believe me, it fuckin well stings.
Well… if you are gonna lose by a wide margin it might as well be in the first round.
Korea’s stocks looking considerably better now, but can they go out and just play for a draw?
Well, Greece has the advantage over Korea in goal differential.
Honestly though, the one-man advantaged Greeks seemed to be outplayed by the Nigerians until the second Greek goal. Nigerians should have tied it with that excellent breakaway. The ejection was a godsend. Moving forward, the Greeks won’t beat the Argentinians. Korea will have a tough task. The Nigerians are great physically.
*Nevermind, the Greeks are tied with Korea in goal diff.
And the # of goals scored, so South Korea is ahead because they won against Greece.
Nigeria will be sorely missing some of its players due to all the bookings… but South Korea better go all out if they want to have any chance at getting to the 2nd round.
You know what would be really terrible for the South Koreans? Greece miraculously winning against Argentina by a sizable margin.
Oops, bad math on my part (… 1+2, 0+2 variety, no less…).
Korea team lost because
1)Tebez and Messi one-two punch: I saw 1986 match when Maradona went through 3 to 4 players. These two guys can do the same. They can go through Korean defenders as if they were not there.
2) Korean coach: He saw NK-Brazil game and he tried to play the same type of defensive game. But Argentina was too good.
3) Bad luck: The first goal was an accident.
4) Psychology: When Korea gave up the first goal, Korea lost the will to fight. Korean players were afraid. Then, they made more mistakes. Korean team should employ a psychatrist who can tell them “it is OK to lose (to a superior team)”
5) Favoritism: This is the problem in Korean soccer. OhBumSuk played in place of ChaDooRi who played in German league and how to apply himself with international players. Oh did not, nor other Korean defenders. All of them ran around like chickens. Oh is a son of a former Korean player and does not have much international experience.
Thing to do: Pay off 0.5 million each to Nigerians. They will take the money.
That was simply ugly. They received a complete thrashing. They were simply outclassed and out-talented.
But, since Nigeria lost 2-1, and with Greece having to play Argentina next, South Korea is in great position to make it to the next round. All they have to do is beat Nigeria, and even a tie could do it.
Korea made many mistakes from coaching and on down. Coach Huh is being mugged right now in the Korean media, for his decision to replace Cha Duri with Oh Beom-Suk in the defense. Oh’s mistakes at the crucial times, gave away balls that lead to at least two goals. And the other fall guy for Korea is Yeom Ki-Hoon who failed to score that breakaway goal with kicking the ball with the wrong foot which would have tied the game. That just deflated the team. So right now, three guys are being trashed, the coach, Yeom, and Oh.
But in fairness, the entire team was outmatched, as they just couldn’t handle Messie who was all over the place. If six guys can’t stop him, does it really make the difference how Oh Boem-Suk on defence played?
But for the next game, the coach better make sure to make at least two changes there and take those two men out.
They still have a good chance against Nigeria who is in disarray and is probably out of the competition (which is worrying, because they now have nothing to lose, so will be more relaxed).
““German TV have just trotted out a stat that the Korean players are on average ten centimetres shorter than their opponents,” blabs Iain Copestake. ”
I have the team height stats here and it says Argentina averages 181.4 cm, while South Korea averages 182.5 cm. And Messie is only about 167cm.
Where is this ten centimeter advantage that German TV is talking about, other then more Asian stereotypes?
Kudos to mighty Argentina. That was a painful game to watch. Cheers to team Korea! Hope to see their brilliant play again in match 3 against Nigeria!
Another thing to watch. How will Argentina come out with their game against Greece now that they’ve made the cut. Will they rest their starters including Messie to guard them against injury? Will they play hard or will they jog around and let Greece take control in what is a meaningless game for them?
To tell the truth, NK played better defense than SK! Why is that? Coach Huh is messed up. Korean defenders look like little ninnies. Five or even six players congregated to stop one player?
If one defender gets beat, then two others should stop the attacker. They should not, never, gather around one player while leaving two other attackers open!
Coach Huh did not train the players properly. If Korean team does not make top16, then he must go.
And, Korean team must look for a foreign coach. To stop favoritism that plagued Korean soccer team all of its history.
Korea did well in 2002 because
1)Hidink
2)Hidink
3)Hidink
The whole team stayed together for two years. They knew each other so well that they could do no-look passes to each other.
Soccer comes down to pin-point passes. If a team can pass to each other with laser-precision like Argentine team has done, then the team will win. Korean team of 2002 was able to do that.
The Korean team of 2002 can beat today’s Korean team.
And, Hidink is a thousand times better coach than Mr. Huh.
Hidink can get a Korean college team and still beat Mr. Huh’s national team. Mr. Huh is such a stupid coach. He does not understand players.
I think Park JiSung was pissed that he was told to play defense, to guard Messi. There was nobody in the midfield. Nobody!
You sure he wasn’t talking about the Norks?
The Mexicans finish throttling the French, 2-0. Just desserts for Thierry Henry’s frequent use of his hands during the qualifiers? The French look to be on their way out of the Cup. This raises the reputation of the CONCACAF as its top two teams have performed quite well against top-ranked opponents.
Soccer is such a temperamental game. There is an ESPN announcer who adds “One game changes everything” at the end of every one of his comments.
Today, Mexico beat France 2-0. There is no one outside Mexico who thinks Mexico is a superior team. However, things happen. And, Mexico did it.
The 2002 Korean team was like that. Stars lined up in the right way.
Baduk, S.Korea gave too much respect to Argentina in the first half. S.Korea tried to play a defensive game when they all stayed behind the half line. They should have flooded the mid field and pressed the Argentinians. They would have still lost, but it wouldn’t be as bad as this game. Instead they let them come at them. Poor strategy. Not only that, what this will do to the confidence of the team, we have yet to find out. Oh Beom-Suk’s right side was a nightmare. That side was full of holes that lead to at least 2 goals, possibly all 4 goals. Needless give aways and fouls were the culprits. Clearly, the decision to put Oh in there was not a great move, and it also highlights the crushing blow to the team by the injury of Kwak Tae-Hee who had to be taken off the roster.
The team sucked bad, but so did the coach. All his moves backfired and he should be faulted as well. If they don’t make the second round, the coach will definitely be sacked. A lot of people are asking for his head right now.
There’s less hooliganism, violence, threats, etc. attending to Korean soccer than most of the world. It will be a sign of maturity for you if you can speak without slandering Korea and Koreans.
Koreans gotta learn to dance from an early age if they wanna succeed (not the gay KPop bs dancing). They are so damn stiff compared to latin players. I think they were also over confident after the victory against Greece. They shoulda played to tie, not win. Now they gotta go up against an African team who Koreans almost always seem to have a problem with.
I’m not so sure if 1st half defensive strategy was so bad. That is the strategy that allowed N Korea to hold Brazil to only 2 goals. If not for the 1st unlucky goal and for dumbass fouls that gave them one free kick after another, and we kept up the defense strategy, I think it could easily have been 1-0 or 2-1 or even a draw. True, that means we wouldn’t get a whole lot of possession of the ball, but what’s more risky for Korea vs Argentina, low scoring game for both sides (which is likely anyway, regardless of Korea’s strategy) or a blowout for Argentina? I think the answer is obvious and Coach Huh was thinking the same thing. Except it didn’t go as planned of course.
“which is likely anyway, regardless of Korea’s strategy”
I meant to say that low scoring game for *korea* is likely, regardless of their strategy.
Argentina will also play a laxed game and prolly put in a lot of their bench players against Greece… Sigh… another four years of waiting for Korea’s 16 강 “achievement”.
I hope the government stops pumping in insane amount of money into soccer after this one bc 1) 2002 was rigged and everyone should wake the fuck up; 2) Koreans have a horrible league where players CANNOT develop world-class players (walking billboards for chaebols and that’s it); 3) Korea has no infrastructure for young players to develop independently unless they join slavery-like sports systems in schools and even then, the best college pitch in Korea is comparable to the worst pee-wee level pitch in the United States; 4) Korea puts too much emphasis on education over sports so less talent to choose from; and 5) China, Japan and Australia will sadly take over Korea in the next 8 or so years bc of better funding.
NewYorkTom,
Don’t be so negative like Korean players were today. Korean team can beat Nigeria. Super eagles did not look like eagles today – more like tweety bird. If Korea can score a freak goal, like it did against Greece, Korean players will be unbeatable.
If Koreans tie and Greece loses ( this can happen easily, even against the second squad), then Korea advances. So, Korea has 75% to advance.
Remeber that Japan beat Cameroon. And, it was not a fluke. I watched the game. Japan played better than Indomitable Lion.
Tom, what you wrote about Korean soccer (2)-(5) are true. I reserve my judgement on (1) because Hidink was a great coach. He and the players almost live together for two years. Miracles do happen when athletes prepares every details.
^ #49, one bad game against one of the top teams in the world, and the 2002 was rigged, and the entire soccer in Korea no good… wow, talk about going off the bandwagon…
JW, the problem with that first half strategy was that Korea is never good at that strategy. Unlike the North Koreans, the South Koreans built their team around the midfield, and you expect the zebra to change their stripes at a flick of the switch?
Look at the second half, they played much better after they went back to the normal way of play. They almost tied the game at that time. If they had, the outcome could have been a lot better. They worried too much about marking Messie, and completely forgot about the others who were roaring all over the place. There comes a point when you have to resign that there is no way you can stop this guy no matter what you do, so you might as play to your strength, not to your weakness (which is defense).
Read this article, which says exactly what I’m saying.
http://news.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/06/17/2010061702635.html
’1) 2002 was rigged and everyone should wake the fuck up’
got any proof?
NewYorkTom,
And I think the biggest problem facing Korean soccer is the “favoritm” or “nepotism”. You have to know somebody to play in international games. This can be a former player, a coach, a politician or a rich man.
If you have no “connection”, it does not matter how well you play. You are out. Many good players get buried.
Hidink broke this immoral Korean weakness. He demanded he was the final authority on whom to include in the team and whom to send in the game.
Why do you think Mr.Huh sent in OhBumSuk today? He had to. He was told to. There are layers of pressure on top of Mr. Huh to tell him what to do. He has no free choice on whom to include in the team and whom to play in each game.
This is the Korean weakness.
He wasn’t told to. Huh made the decision himself. I hope he learned his lesson and put Cha Duri back in against Nigeria. Take out Yeom Ki-Hoon too, and put in the blazing speed rookie Lee Seung-Ryul who has been impressive (I doubt Huh will be brave enough to do this move since he likes experience over talent).
Very interesting final day with the possibility of three teams finishing with 4 points.
Greece 1-2 (assuming loss to Argentina) minus 1 differential going into game which would pretty much eliminate them with another loss. A draw would be spectacular and hope for a Nigerian win.
Korea 1-2 (assuming a loss to Nigeria) minus 1 differential going into game which would pretty much eliminate them with another loss. A draw would probably do it (with the expectations of a Greece loss). A win almost assures a spot given the other match.
A Greek win and Korean win would come to differential with Greece needing to win by one more than Korea (as Korea holds the head to head) and with Argentina coming in with a +4 differential (a massive Greek win would make it more interesting buy highly unlikely).
Nigeria 1-2 (assuming a win against Korea) minus 2 differential going in. Win by 1 and they are ahead of Korea on differential. Win and in with an expected Argentinian win.
I think.
Conversely, a Korean win and an Greek win puts three at 2-1 with 1) goal differential and then 2) head to head to determine who goes home. Huge advantage for Argentina in this as they are the stated +4 going in.
Mexico/Uruguay probable for the two going through.
I hope to see following matches on June 26 & 27.
Korea vs Uruguay (or Mexico)
And also look forward to watching team Korea on July 2nd for Quarter-finals! 꿈★은 이루어질까?
#45, no, it would be a sign of maturity if dense nutijens like yourself could have a little laugh at a tongue-in-cheek remark on a simple fucking blog rather than taking anything perceived as negative to be a slight against the minjok in its entirety. Grow the fuck up you fucking manchild.
That match could just as easily have been 7 or even 8 to 1. The keeper Jung Sung-ryung kept Korea in the match with some pretty big saves.
@ cm: I agree with pretty much all you said. For a short while at the beginning of the second half, it really did look as if Korea might pull it back to 2-2, but they were simply overwhelmed in the end. And if you let in two soft goals in the first half against the likes of Argentina, you’re dead.
I was actually one of those light-headed sorts who thought, prior to the match, that Korea could pull off a surprise, both because of the momentum they’d established in the Greece game and because of Maradona’s tactical cluelessness. I actually think Argentina’s big weakness is their drug-snorting, Castro-loving coach, and if his team does win the World Cup this year, it’ll be despite him.
But on a lighter note, what a joy it was to see Les Bleus get stuffed by Mexico! Altogether now, WHO PUT THE FROGS OUT? WHO-HOO-HOO-HOO-HOO…
It could also have easily been a 2-2 draw.
At 2-1 down if Yeom Ki-Hoon had of sunk his shot, anything could have happened.
In saying that, Argentina clearly deserved the win.
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No. You have a history of comments here that make it pretty clear that you’re an anti-Korean piece of shit. Between Australia and Indonesia you have a pretty full plate. Mind your own fucking business you faggot.
Minjoke – good comment. you make one every once in awhile.
Pawii – “got any proof?”
Yes, the videos of the Korean matches in the 2002 World Cup.
Meanwhile, the socceroos are in more trouble, losing another midfielder. At this rate I’m half expecting a call from Pim.
@62 – minjoke, I meant your comment number 45.
cmm, serious question: Given your self-professed hatred of football, how would you know?
You mean Mr. Hiddink?
#55, Goat, if you look at all your scenarios, Korea has the best odds, provided they don’t play like how they played did today.
#59, agreed, if Yeom had used his PROPER foot to shoot and score, it would have been a different ball game. As it was, Korea had no choice but to push hard for the equalizer and left the back wide open for Argentine counter attacks. Up until that miscue, Korea was very much in the game. But being behind early in the game put them into a pressure situation to score.
From the start, they were too nervous, concentrated too much on Messie, concentrated too much on defense, and they were simply thinking too much, rather then playing naturally. All their reactions to ball and the play were very slow. If they just played like how they usually do, the result wouldn’t have been this bad.
Watching the game with my teenage daughter was painful. She (more than half Korean) was personaly insulted every time I commented on the beauty of Argentina’s ball handling skills. She became angry at me when I cheered Argentina’s goals. I am saddened by the fact that my daughter has been brainwashed by the Korean school system to believe that the good things which others have worked for and achieved (like being a world class soccer player) are an affront to the Korean identity (rather than something which should be admired and possibly emulated). Empathy is in short supply in this country, where life is seen a zero sum game. That paradigm makes me sad, too.
If my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle – all if scenarios irrelevant as there are equal “ifs” on the other side.
cm,
Yeah I think so too. Nigeria will be forced to attack (perhaps the net and not people this game) and may leave themselves quite open to a counter-attack – which is where I think Korea can be successful. Korea’s build-up was quite pathetic in the Argentina game and does not really inspire confidence in that they can get it done by that route.
Biggest question is can they defend?
I’d rather not discuss the bribery insinuations of the 2002 World Cup because then we’d have to discuss every single bad call since then (Italy’s penalty kick against Australia comes to mind in 2006). It’s football (soccer)…referees make mistakes. Perhaps it’s time technology was introduced to the game?
the videos of the games of 2002 show korea winning; that’s proof they won. if korea rigged the games, let’s see some proof. none exists.
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all the k players are over 6’1″. maybe the germans feel threatened by that, i don’t know.
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‘Empathy is in short supply in this country, where life is seen a zero sum game. That paradigm makes me sad, too.’
you don’t know what you’re talking about but thank god korea has you, guy!
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cmm, you do seem rather well versed in soccer.
“Watching the game with my teenage daughter was painful. She (more than half Korean) was personaly insulted every time I commented on the beauty of Argentina’s ball handling skills.”
Oh come on. Her team is getting clobbered. Is it really a good time to praise Argentina’s skills (even if it’s true) when everybody’s upset at the moment when things aren’t going well and going horribly wrong? Talking about empathy… maybe you need to learn that as well?
“all the k players are over 6′1″. maybe the germans feel threatened by that, i don’t know”
I once heard an announcer who described Lee Dong Gook as a “the little man”. Lee Dong Gook is 187cm, about 6’3, if my conversion is correct, and he’s cut with muscles. I sometimes wonder what these guys are looking at?
I don’t know about your family, cm, but mine was divided between Spartan fans and Wolverine fans. Not an ounce of empathy in our house when the two rivals met. A teenager is old enough to understand and handle others praising and cheering for an opposing team.
Minjob,
Again, you just prove my point that your average Korean nationalist lacks the emotional maturity to distinguish between a bit of fun and criticism. Come back when you can tell the difference, you humorless demi-jap.
I’m gonna have one of these rare side with pawi moments and say the “Koreans cheated in 2002″ meme is the most hackneyed lump of crap ever perpetuated by basement-dwelling 2Chan fuckheads that ever existed. Give it up fer fecks sake.
Fair question. I’ll bite.
One doesn’t need to be a lover of a certain sport to notice a blown call, or a series of blown calls, often crucial, during several of its games, skewed heavily in favor of the host country, who has a culture and history of bribery. Add to that the prevalance of bribery in sports and do the math.
Now, do I “know?” I wasn’t hiding in the room when any deals went down, no. I’m simply saying that the evidence that is out there is damning, and from my conversations with some true football fans, including a Korean, it seems to be an open-and-closed case. Maybe I’m wrong and it was all Hiddink power.
How my disinterest in association football comes into play is like this – prior to coming to Korea in 2005, I didn’t know anything about Korea’s 2002 World Cup success/bribery accusations/homer calls/etc. But, because of my my interest in learning more about Korea, her culture, history, etc., I learned about the situation. Were I to live in a different country than Korea, or if it were, say, the Netherlands and not Korea who looked guilty of bribery in 2002, I probably wouldn’t know about it and certainly wouldn’t have concerned myself with it.
Robert, great Simpson’s video.
#74 Sonagi, ah.. but is the rivalry between Wolverines and Spartans really the same compared to the World Cup, where emotionalism of nationalism come to play all over the world? I was in the Greek part of the town, watching the game, with some of my Greek friends, when they lost to South Korea. If somebody had admired the Koreans in winning this game, I guarantee you, he would not have survived today. Try the same stunt in right front of the bunch of pissed of English fans, and see how far you can go with breathing air.
Advancement to the round of 16 is determined as follows:
It’s interesting that head-to-head play counts for nothing. That is, the fact that SK already beat Greece gives them no advantage in the event points are tied.
Nevertheless, Korea is still in really good shape, but anyone could still take second place. I’d give the advantage to Korea since they have to play weak Nigeria whereas Greece as to play mighty Argentina. Here’ are all of the possible outcomes for Korea:
If they beat Nigeria AND Greece loses, they advance.
If they beat Nigeria AND Greece wins, see chart above.
If they beat Nigeria AND Greece draws, they advance.
If they draw Nigeria AND Greece loses, they advance.
If they draw Nigeria AND Greece draws, see chart above.
If they lose to Nigeria AND Greece loses, see chart above.
However,
If they draw Nigeria AND Greece wins, Greece advances
If they lose to Nigeria AND Greece wins, Greece advances.
Right now, both SK and Greece have a -1 goal differential, but Korea has 3 goals to Greece’s 2, so as things stand now, in the event of a “see chart above” situation, South Korea will win. Nigeria, although not yet mathematically eliminated, needs a big win against South Korea and needs to hope for a big Argentine win over Greece to overcome their -2 GD. Argentina has basically assured themselves a spot in the final 16, but they could, in theory, be eliminated if they lose big to Greece and South Korea wins big against Nigeria (in both cases, big enough to overcome Argentina’s +4 goal differential)
**Hiddink and Korean power
Some people need to learn the difference between a defensive game and a timid – not to say lacklustre and shoddily played – game. If you want to see what a defensive game looks like take a gander at NK against Brazil, or England with Argentina in 2002. SK didn’t do much of anything in that game except for a short while in the second half when they came agonisingly close to equalizing.
And how typical to blame the coach – although I admit not playing Cha Du Ri was an incomprehensible decision.
how does one look guilty of bribery?
cm, it’s the stereotype that asian guys are short. a lot of white guys feel threatened when they see tall asian dudes and tall asian men in korea is not an uncommon sight.
GO BLUE!
You know what they say about State fans, right?
Q: Why do Michigan State fans keep their diplomas on their dashboards?
A: So they can park in handicap spaces.
#77, cmm, give it a rest OK. I watched the tournament in 2002, and certainly there were some questionable calls that Korea may have gotten benefited from, but calling those supposed “goals” by Italy and Spain, when it’s clear that the Korean goal keeper gave up playing the ball, after the whistle went, is so disengeneous that, that’s not even funny. Because you could clearly see Lee Woon Jae pulling back his hands when he was about to punch the ball out of the air, when the whistle went. Same thing with Italy game, Lee and the defender stopped playing the ball when the whistle went. It’s questionable whether the Italian player could have really scored if the two Korean players tried to play the ball, instead of giving up.
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No. You just prove that you’re a cowardly bitch who runs and hides when you get called out on your bullshit you monkey-fucking faggot.
touche.
about a month ago I was coming back to Korea from Dubai. The Immigrations official immediately mentioned a certain resemblance between me and a soccer player. He then seemed annoyed that I had no idea whom he was talking about. I have since found out that the player he mentioned is considered one of the top in the world. That’s how much I know. I’m still sometimes confused by the offsides rules. It’s been explained to me before, but I promptly forgot it.
milton – nice post, as usual.
Nah… maybe around college age… but then again, I may think that because I am the one who’s immature.
I can’t buy that the Korean coach actually thought his team had a good chance at beating Messi’s Argentina team (he doesn’t look THAT brain-dead, for one…), so I think this loss is quite within South Korea’s game plan for this World Cup. I really hope this loss doesn’t affect the players in any way.
I wished for a low score differential loss (3-1, 2-1 if possible) that would make South Korea’s chance a bit better (than, let’s say, 4-1)… but I guess this will do. The messy game with Greece took out a lot of Nigerian players via booking, so hopefully that will aid the South Koreans.
In any case, not a great World Cup for me (though it has been thoroughly enjoyable so far)… Spain loses to Switzerland, South Korea gets its ass handed to them by Argentina, and Brazil barely beating North Korea…. :/ At least Mexico beat the French National Handball Team 2-0…
#83: You a Wolverine as well? Nice! And the other university should be referred to as Moo U.
better get out your sliderule. if 187=6’3″ , I’m 6’10″ and play power forward
yeah cmm, i don’t much about the game either. soccer is an intramural sport here as you know. there’s no mass interest in the game outside of immigrant enclaves. i hope the us and sk do well though.
85, Good to see you’ve completely abandoned fact, reason and rational argument and put to good use all that hagwon-learned English that your mother probably paid for through some manner of degrading labor serving whitie (what else would explain your hatred?). You have nothing.
cmm
Fair response, so here’s mine.
I am quite a big football fan, I was here in 2002 and I saw all the Korea games, including one (the Spain game) in the stadium. From what I can recall, most of the “Korea cheated/bribed the refs/rigged the games” stuff arose because of two games: against Italy and Spain.
To my mind, there were some calls in favour of Team Korea in the Italy game, but nothing totally egregious. Also, given that the Italians had been diving around all over the place, trying to win fouls and get Korean players booked, the “cheats” tag rang very hollow.
Now, for the Spain game, yes, some of the calls were atrocious. I was actually sat next to the goal when Spain scored in extra time, and the whole stadium went quiet, as if in recognition that the game was up. I couldn’t see any reason for its being disallowed, but (again, going from memory) it was the linesman’s call, not the ref’s. Are you suggesting Korea bought all the refereeing staff that day?
It is a terrible cliche, but any team advancing to the latter stages, even Brazil, needs luck to get there. Spain game aside, my memories of Team Korea that year was not of cheating or dodgy calls, but of amazingly tenacious, quick and often skilful players that just refused to give up. I’m well aware that Korea has form with financial shenanigans — I have heard from people I consider reliable and informed that a big reason for Korea’s failure to land the 2008 Winter Olympics was the IOC’s irritation with Korea’s fairly shameless attempts at bribery. But I think that, as with most conspiracy-type theories, the absence of real evidence is not proof, and it would have been extremely difficult to keep something like this hidden ever since.
“cm, it’s the stereotype that asian guys are short. ”
Also it could be smaller bone structure, and shorter legs (longer body). Some Asian guy who’s over 6′, may look shorter to non Asians, when compared to a non Asian guy who is the same height (but with longer legs and shorter body). In other words, the proportional body types makes the illusion happen.
@85 good one.
And to add to #92, did Korea bribe the refs so that they can come up with a tying goal against Italy in the last two minutes of the game? Did Korea bribe the ref so that the Italian players missed two wide open net goals?
Did Korea bribe the refs so that the 2 Spanish players failed to put the ball in the back of the net, during the penalty kick shoot out?
Both Italy and Spain had their chances to put away Korea without any controversy. They failed, so they lost.
> all the k players are over 6′1″.
That’s just wrong. Although the team is taller than I expected, most guys are 5’11″ or 6′. Then again, Messi is just 5’7″, so who cares, really.
One of the worst games I have seen Korea play in ages. I agree with Baduk, their coach just did not have the team up to snuff. Terrible spacing, weak passes… most of the Korea team is capable of playing much better than that.
Goat, head-to-head is the third tiebreaker. Goal differential is the first, and total goals is the second. So ARG with 5 goals would have a significant edge in that scenario. SK currently has 3, Greece 2, and Nigeria 1.
Milton, if Nigeria wins and Greece loses, Nigeria automatically advances along with ARG, and margin of victory won’t matter in either game. Nigeria winning would mean the worst GD they could have is -1, and Greece losing would mean the best GD they could have is -2. Korea losing to Nigeria would mean the best GD they could have is -2. All 3 have 3 pts, and Nigeria advances on GD regardless.
I think you’re also incorrect in stating that head-to-head has no bearing. d and e in your chart of tiebreakers look like they refer to head-to-head results. If Greece and Korea were tied in a/b/c, then “greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned” appears to mean how many points each team earned when they played each other, which would mean Korea got 3 points in that game and Greece got zero, tiebreaker to Korea. That’s effectively head-to-head result, unless there’s another interpretation of that tiebreaker that I’m not aware of.
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If anyone “completely abandoned fact, reason and rational argument” first it was you, who started slinging shit first in this thread. If I have nothing you most definitely have Ebola and or HIV from too much monkey fucking in the jungle down there.
‘That’s just wrong. Although the team is taller than I expected, most guys are 5′11″ or 6′. Then again, Messi is just 5′7″, so who cares, really. ‘
well, you do and the stat i gave is a fact, sir. go look it up.
“It’s interesting that head-to-head play counts for nothing.”
I think you should re-read the tiebreaker rules.
ihbb
Yeah I saw that there was a change for the 2010 after posting. Stand corrected.
Above Criticism – Good response, I’ll weigh it in.
Please, not the let’s-look-at-the-tape-again-and-again-and-again wait. Technology that provides an instant call would be alright – don’t want football to turn into gridiron.
baseball is considering instant replay more and more now too. limited use might be acceptable, but nothing more than that I pray.
Pawi: Go look at the team stats on any website. Korea has three players under 180cm, and only five players 185cm or taller.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/team/squad/_/id/451/south-korea?cc=5739&ver=global
But, as I said, many great players are not tall, so it does not really matter.
Cmm, thanks!
Iheartblueballs,
You’re totally right on the first count and basically right on the second. It would be like head-to-head play if there were only two teams, but if a third team is involved, then it might now since it would just measure the number of goals scored between the three teams in their respective matches, and you’re basically just subtracting out the goals scored by the three teams against the fourth. I’m trying to think of a scenario in which SK beats Greece but SK still gets ranked lower than Greece on total goals scored in the tied group. I concede that maybe no such scenario exists…it’s too early in the morning for math.
yeah, i misread the article i looked at because i don’t care about the sport. i should have written the majority of the players are 6 feet and above. btw, average height of a white dude in america is about 5’10″ (the last i checked which was many years ago.)
Read what Sports Illustrated had to say about coach Huh Jung Moo’s moves. This editor thinks it was the coach’s fault.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/soccer/world-cup-2010/writers/jen_chang/06/17/3thoughts.arg.sk/index.html
No matter how Huh would’ve arranged the deck chairs, that Titanic still would have sunk.
You can point to small tactical decisions and lineup changes when the game was otherwise close and those small things would’ve had a chance to swing it one way or the other. But Argentina completely dominated the game in every aspect, so it makes little sense to believe that different decisions by Huh could’ve made a significant difference.
Those two teams could replay that game 100 times with all variations of lineups and formations, and Korea would be lucky to win one. They’re not on the same level and don’t have any players with the elite skill level and ability to dominate a game like Argentina do.
Park Ji Sung is the closest they have and he’s more of a complimentary player who thrives playing off of better players that create, as he does at ManU.
Yes and no. That they were going to lose was basically a foregone conclusion. But the problem is that the second-place spot might just come down to goal differential—or even goals for—in which case, better tactics might have made all the difference. Take the scenario in which Greece and SK lose their final matches. As it stands now (as you correctly pointed out) Nigeria will move on to the Final 16 should this occur. However, if SK had managed to score more goals or Argentina had scored less, the GD would have been in SK’s favor and they would increase their chances of going on to the next level.
There is no point playing the if game because there are an equal amount of ifs on the other side. If Korea assume a more offensive posture it may have left them even more open. If it wasn’t for the horrendous blunder at half time the score may have been more lopsided. If Korea made it 2-2 they may have lost 6-2. If the red carded Nigerian wasn’t a dumbass then Nigeria would be in the drivers seat. To put it simply we have no idea what would have happened if Huh played it differently.
We can play this game forever but it does not accomplish anything nor can it be proven.
98, Nope, and again, for the record, I made a funny and you reached into your taeguki-adorned diaper and started flinging kimchi-scented feces because you wouldn’t recognize humor if it came up and kicked you in your tiny little gochu. As for monkey fucking, the only instance I ever see of it down here is when some poor unfortunate bargirl here is dragged home by one of your compatriots, who have a reputation for being borderline pedos.
“That they were going to lose was basically a foregone conclusion.”
I’m not a gambling man, but I might become one. In the office pool yesterday, nearly every single Korean chose a Korean victory or tie. They piled their names into the same boxes, 2-1, 3-2, etc., leaving the losing side wide almost wide open. This kind of betting with their hearts suggests lots of opportunities in the future when Korea goes into games outgunned.
The game was not close. Argentina totally outclassed and outplayed them. The beginning of the game was the worst I’ve ever seen Korea play since the 90′s. Ball possession was almost 75% for Argentina, and Korea didn’t even touch the ball other than a defender kicking the ball out for the first 6 minutes.
That being said, they need to regroup and forget about the game and focus on Nigeria. Also, have already heard the coach is gone regardless of the outcome of the World Cup. He said a few weeks ago that he would step down after the Cup.
As for the Spartan-Wolverine debate, I will add this:
How does a Spartan grad greet a Wolverine grad?
Welcome to Mcdonald’s sir, can I take your order?
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No, you’re not funny at all. There are plenty of jokers here, but most aren’t anti-Korean and malicious faggots like you are. You only crawl out of your monkey fuck hole and show up here to talk shit about Korea and Koreans, since, aside from hatred and shit talking you have no connection to Korea or Koreans. And you’re right that pedos from countries all over the world, including Australia and Korea, go down to Indonesia to fuck monkeys. All of you monkey fuckers should be quarantined down there, so that the next Ebola and or HIV outbreak is contained.
Can we tone it down a bit? Actually, more than a bit?
Thanks for your cooperation.
Understand your point, but I wasn’t arguing (and neither was the linked article) about their overall chances of advancing out of group.
If you do want to go down that road though, I think it’s fair to say that Huh and SK took a largely defensive posture in the game and were going for a draw or a low-differential loss, and even then got blitzed. As Goat mentioned above, if they had decided to play wide-open and attacking football, the odds of them losing by an even wider margin increase rather than decrease given their lack of potent strikers.
They actually would have done well watching NK’s tactics vs Brazil if that was their strategy. NK packed their defense in, but were also aggressive defensively in challenging Brazil on the ball rather than simply conceding long stretches of possession and giving ARG plenty of room to operate as SK did. SK is in the unenviable position of having an anemic offense generally incapable of putting sufficient scoring pressure on their opponent while at the same time being below average defensively so that they’re also unable to clamp down and play for draw.
If you look at their three goals thus far, two of them came off inexcusable give-away blunders, and the third came when a Greek defender in the box stood flat-footed and watched a corner sail over his scalp by 1 cm when simply jumping 2 cm would’ve cleared. They’re really very lucky to be where they are given the complete lack of offensive creativity thus far.
Let’s also do away with pretending Cha Du-ri is some kind of game-changer who would’ve impacted the Argentina result. He runs around like a headless chicken and couldn’t find a net if he were tangled in one. In 5 years and 103 appearances worth of first-division Bundesliga, he’s scored 6 goals. There’s a reason he didn’t sniff the national team from 2006 to 2009, and that reason is because he sucks hog.
Sorry boss.
Thanks to pawikirogii for your snide comment. Based on your words one might gather you’re the kind of person who likes to take jabs. Challenge others for proof to back up claims. Yet, feels free from the same encumberances. You suggest I don’t know much about this country? You might be surprised. Don’t bother asking for proof though. I doubt you’re of the nature to handle proof, unless it was on the label of a whiskey bottle.
Big lesson for dodgy Korean footballers. They clearly didn’t done their homework before the match that Argentina is no low ranked football team. Argentina always passed their 16 final with almost no lost to any of their group members. Brazil, Argentina are one of best footballing nations in the world. Where was that defense from Korean side when they’re talking about it all the time prior to match.
I am indeed
Here’s a couple more jokes at State’s expense:
Q) What do students from MSU and UofM have in common?
A) They were both accepted into MSU.
Q) How do you keep a MSU athlete from masturbating?
A) Paint his &*!@# maize and blue…he’ll never beat it again!
A guy in a bar leans over to the guy next to him and says, “Wanna hear a Spartan joke?” The guy replies, “Well, before you tell that joke, you should know something. I am 6′ tall, 200 lbs. and I am an MSU graduate. The guy sitting next to me is 6’2″, 225 lbs., and he is an MSU graduate. The guy right next to him is 6’5″, 250lbs., and he is also an MSU graduate. Now, you still wanna tell me that joke?” The first guy says, “No, not if I’m going to have to explain it three times
A little boy and his mother were walking through an Michigan cemetery when they came upon a headstone that read: “Here lies an MSU graduate and a good man.” The little boy asked his mother, “Mommy, why did they bury two people in there?”
It’s funny. No one has mentioned FIFA’s decision after 2002 to assign ranked officials to matches. Prior to that necessary change assignments, I believe, were randomly based on regions. A certain number of refs from each continent needed flags and whistles, and they were put into any match, regardless of its importance.
Hence, the crews working the Italy and Spain matches were simply not up to snuff and FIFA saw that 20/20 in hindsight. The man who sent Totti off made the call from all the way across the pitch and was working matches on sand pitches in the Ecuadorian domestic league or something. The disallowed goals in the Spain match, were in my opinion, on par with Jim Joyce blowing Galarraga’s perfect game. Spain won that match, period.
Was it fixed? No one can say. But, I have long suspected that FIFA had a vested interest in seeing Korea and Japan advance. Lubricating that wish by assigning outclassed officials would be pretty sly, wouldn’t it?
All that said, the many people with whom I spoke about it here simply ignored those egregious calls and instead insisted on their team’s mythical talent. That coupled with Ahn Jung hwan’s ridiculous mockery of Ohno in the U.S. match (You score a goal in the World Cup and the first thing you want to do is mock a speed skater?) got me suspicious of ‘sports’ ‘fans’ in Korea. When a friend and I visited Hiddink’s boyhood home in Vaarseveld, Holland in late 2002 and told people about it in Seoul weeks later, they only shrugged. So much for passion.
I have lived in both Buenos Aires and Seoul; witnessing near-constant football violence in the former (machetes, pistols, gangs, coke-laced joints in the stands) and a quadrennial ejaculation of nationalism passed off as interest in soccer in the latter. What goes on in South America is far less irritating, at least to me. The game, the sport, the art, simply means mountains more to them, and the best team won last night. Not even the men in black could mess that up.
‘Was it fixed? No one can say.’
yes, we can say for sure. you got proof that it was fixed? if you don’t, i think you folks need to stfu. korea beat spain and italy. that’s that.
Frenzied but fair-weather interest in football is worse than coked-up gangsters using machetes? I can certainly understand why you don’t seem to have enjoyed living in Seoul.
Oh, and assigning sub-par officials could surely cut both ways, no? A shit ref from Yemen (or wherever) is just as likely to make a bad call against Italy as against South Korea, is he not?
Haha, I meant ‘no one can say’ in the sense that it’s impossible to say because proof has never been displayed. The answer to whether or not that proof exists can only be revealed by playing the Zapruder film backwards.
Now, pawi, I respect your opinion, but if that was my team ‘winning’ the Spain match, I’d have the grace to admit to people that there should be a monstrously large asterisk next to it in the record books. Vehemently defending said victory would be obtuse at best. I guess some people choose to put a little more salt and pepper on their reality.
no, there shouldn’t be an asterisk unless you can show proof. there is none. i think the spanish and italians need to get over it.
i’m proud of team korea being the first asians (the real problem) to reach whatever damn stage they reached in 02. hwaiting!
“Argies”? C’mon! Who were the playing – the “gooks”?
I don’t want to visit the debate all over again. But that “disallowed goal” in Spain match at 2002, please, not again. The whistle was blown way before the ball went into the net. Go watch the youtube video again, the goalkeeper gave up on the ball because of the whistle, when he could have easily stopped the ball.
In hindsight, the goalkeeper should have made the save despite the whistle. And then it wouldn’t have turned into a Korea cheated debate after so many years.
Actually Sperwer, I am here in England right now eating a pepperoni stick with an anthropomorphic pepperoni stick drawn on it wearing England colours and he is snarling and saying, “Hey Argies, try handling me!” It seems that the spirit of the Falklands lives on.
“Let’s also do away with pretending Cha Du-ri is some kind of game-changer who would’ve impacted the Argentina result.”
He’s not a game changer, but he definitely wouldn’t have been bad as the other guy, Oh Bum-Seok. Reviewing the game, he:
1) almost caused a penalty kick in front of his net, but the referee did not blow the whistle.
2) brought down and the Argentinian in the corner which lead to the first goal – an own goal.
3) fouled again, causing a dangerous free kick which lead to the second goal.
4) completely got fooled and bamboozled by an Argentinian from the right side, that lead to the third goal.
5) gave up on his defensive responsibility that indirectly lead to a fourth goal.
The coach is being blamed for not seeing how often the right side of the field was getting exploited. The question was, at the half time, why he didn’t try to plug up the gaping hole and stop the bleeding, and why he failed to use the three replacement players that he was allowed under the rules.
At first I thought Baduk’s comment that coach Huh was told by KFA to start Oh Bum-Seok on defense, was not true. But after reading many Korean comments, now I’m not so sure. I’m not sure if it’s true or not, but according to the rumors, Oh’s father is one of the high executive at the Korean Football Association. According to the rumors, Oh’s father has something against Cha Bum-Geun, who is Cha Duri’s father. He and coach Huh conspired to take out Cha Duri and play Oh Bum-Seok instead. So the charges are that the Korean Football is still plagued with favoritism based on personal relationships, rather than ability – and that, that is why Korean coaches shouldn’t be managing the Korean team. That’s according to the rumors. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was. This rumor wouldn’t have a leg to stand on if coach can explain why decided to take out Cha Duri (other then his explanation that he didn’t like his play) when everyone else in the country thought he was playing great. Another flame that burns is the past charges by former Korean national coach, Jon Bonfrere who complained about KFA’s constant meddling in choosing players for the games. He specifically complained about KFA trying to decide who to play in an exhibition match against Germany, a number of years ago.
Sure about that? The comment I made about Cha’s very imprecise passing in the robot Cha post wasn’t a joke. He made many horrible passes in the Greece game. His over running the ball is also true. I’d describe his play is over eager and out of control. And the charge that Cha plays on the national team because of his father could be made, couldn’t it?
Hey Seouldout, your wife is Korean right? What’s up with putting up a picture of an argentinian hottie wearing their national jersey as your gravatar? Very bad taste man. Wife and Husband should strive to COMPLEMENT each other, not contradict, OK?
#130 Peperami, it’s a bit of an animal. I get as angry as he does sometimes.
Regarding Cha Duri’s absence from this game, he was just re-charging via USB as he says so himself here .
This guy got both the 2:0 win against Greece and 4:1 loss against Argentina right. He’s predicting 2:1 win against Nigeria. Should be interesting.
Seouldout, this pretty much sums up what everybody is complaining about the coach.
http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/sports/2010/06/136_67867.html
yuna, there’s a South African shaman who is becoming famous by the day. He has been 100% correct so far. He predicted France will not make the next round. He predicted South Africa will be done. He predicted Germany will make the next round, but they will suffer a crushing upset loss in one of the games. Guess what? They lost today to an underdog, 1-0.
He also mentioned about South Korea. He predicted South Korea will get a fast start, but will eventually fade and will not make the next round.
What do you think? Is he for real?
cm, did he actually get the scores?
Reasons I cheered for and against Korea…
For.
I love the fact everyone in the country has their spirits lifted with a Korean win. Good moods are great to be around.
Against
I despise fickle sports fans who don’t know shit about what their commenting on other than regurgitating comments made from various media sources who themselves didn’t even know their shit in the first place.
That basically describes 90% of the fan base here. HOWEVER, that other 10% is actually really fun to have discussions with, since they actually know what they are talking about and have a sense of humility when describing the Korean national team. They realize they are not a top tier team but will cheer their hearts out regardless, you can’t blame them for that!
I don’t think I can read 140-odd comments without posting myself. Since Robert has done such a fine job learning English these past few years let’s see if I can return the favor/favour.
Team Korea just doesn’t have the footskills on offense to tie Argentina. The rookie half-back and flankers just gave away way too many penalities on offsides. And why doesn’t the red team use their hands more often?
Pretty good, huh? No, seriously Robert, props on the coverage and I know you don’t read this far. Does anyone have anything to say about the four North Korean players who didn’t turn up for the Brazil game?
#140, it’s not that team Korea lost is the problem. It’s the team Korea and how it lost, is the problem. There will be no one complaining about the coach and the players if they had lost by 2-1, instead of losing 4-1 and getting absolutely dominated and kicked in the butt and humiliated – on the similar scale to the 1998 debacle when Korea lost to the Netherlands 5-0, in a similar fashion. Those four goals against could come back and stop the team from going through to the next round.
If the South African Shaman is right, S.Korea will lose the game against Nigeria, Greece will lose to Argentina, and S.Korea will be out of the rounds because Nigeria having better goal difference. That’s the scenario that’s shaping up to be, even if Korea is still in good position. Because right now, the team’s confidence has been completely shaken to the core and they are in complete disarray. There is a good chance the team could unravel in the next game unless somebody comes forward and take charge.
Soccer is a beautiful game.
Nationalism and winning/losing have no place in the game with such a beauty. They just add flavor to the game but it is not the main ingredient.
Just enjoy players and goals.
Oh’s father
- Hahahahahahah. His father! What a bunch of children.
JW: He can support any time he likes. Your herd mentality is showing.
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