It seems as if the yellow dust has gone? People are beginning to open their windows and shops are taking “air cleaners” away and replacing them with air-conditioners.
Happy Confederate History Month!
Treason in Defense of Slavery! Yes!
1. I never would’ve imagined smoking on submarines would be OK.
2. Funniest thing I read all week: Yahoo on a couple serving jail time in Dubai for kissing in public. Every sentence concerning Dubai’s intolerance nevertheless tried to portray it as a bastion of tolerance. E.g., “A couple earlier went to jail for several months for sending racy text messages in the Middle Eastern oasis of freedom.” Absoultely fabulous.
3. Saddest news of the week (tie): Justice Stevens, our greatest justice, is retiring; and of course the Collateral Murder video. In the words of more than one character in The Wire, “that is some shameful shit.”
A sudden burst of warm weather after a cold, snowy winter has blessed Virginia with the most spectacular spring in years. Everything is blooming within a short period of time, creating an explosion of color all around. Last week, forsythias, magnolias, cherry and pear trees were all in full bloom. They’re now getting leaves, but the redbuds and dogwoods have just opened and delightful purple wisteria vines draping trees, fences, and houses will soon follow. Dogwood trees are every bit as beautiful as cherry trees, and their blooms last twice as long. I haven’t eaten any fruit since last fall’s apples in January, and my mouth is already watering for the first fruits of the season, strawberries, expected at the end of the month.
I think I will buy some Makkoli at H Mart on Federal Way. I need them for my Sleepless in Seattle. Anybody knows good place to hang around in Sea-Tac area, of course it needs to be good for all ethnics.
I shopped at that H-Mart while visiting my brother, who lives nearby in one of the not-so-poor neighborhoods along Poverty Bay. If the weather’s nice, Redondo Beach is a fun place to enjoy sun, sand, seafood, and fit, attractive, young people.
Currently on Season 2 Episode 9 of The Wire. It’s everything rolled up into a masterful package. What. a. show.
Yikes; we agree on someting.:) I watched the entire series over a weekend. Hadn’t done anything like that since screening Fassbinders’ Alexanderplatz in one sitting 30 years ago.
Sperwer — That must have been one long weekend. There were 60 episodes of The Wire, and I seem to recall they were longer than the standard 40 minutes of broadcast television. Still, even if they’re only 40 minutes, 60 episodes is a full 40 hours of television.
One thing that would prove exciting? KJI died a long time ago, the Kim we know is actually a doppelganger, and the ruling elite has been in-fighting ever since, and the Cheonan was torpedoed by one of the factions. It’s a far-fetched theory but with all the known facts, it’s as plausible as anything else.
Sperwer — Hey, you don’t have to justify yourself to me. I just wouldn’t have imagined you able to watch 40+ hours of television. How did you stay awake? Are you using methamphetamine? Or is it simply the result of all that workout. The Wire‘s good TV, sure, but 40 hours of it would tax the endurance of a lesser man.
Today I bought my first DSLR camera, a Nikon D3000 with a 18-55mm lenses for $450 at J&R in NYC. The prices have come down dramatically lately, normally these entry-level DSLRs go for over $600. Taking pictures with the Nikon is a pleasure and a major difference from a simple point-and-shoot in terms of shutter speed under low light conditions without flash.
I’m experiencing ‘culture shock’ with my Korean girlfriend recently. Well not with her per se but more with what she’s telling me about her parents, esp her father. Apparently nowadays, the act of “meeting the parents” in Korea implies that you’ve made a serious decision to marry their daughter, short of a formal proposal and a ring. Is this true? Because that’s a total revelation to me. For me, the purpose of meeting the girl’s parents is primarily to introduce myself to them and also to get better acquainted with her family. This is how it’s generally understood in the United States, isn’t it? Marriage proposal is something that happens afterward. Jesus Christ, that kinda threw me off like an unexpected odd curve ball from left field.
For me, the purpose of meeting the girl’s parents is primarily to introduce myself to them and also to get better acquainted with her family. This is how it’s generally understood in the United States, isn’t it? Marriage proposal is something that happens afterward. Jesus Christ, that kinda threw me off like an unexpected odd curve ball from left field.
I thought the purpose of meeting a girlfriend’s parents is so you can expand your “friends and family” network in order to shore up your Pyramid™ sales/multi-level marketing recruitment figures for the month.
C’mon Netizenkim, are you really that naive? Have you never seen Meet the Parents I, & II? (Ben Stiller should’ve proposed before meeting the parents, but his failure to do so ultimately sets up the comedic chain of events that is this franchise’s plot.)
Hollywood notwithstanding, just lemme say that at this juncture and ostensible age (mid- to late 30′s?), assuming you’re not totally wet behind the ears, have dated this girl for a while and are both serious about this relationship, meeting the girls parents — IN KOREA OF ALL PLACES — is strictly pro forma.
(In other words, you better have already decided that the next step is to pick out the engagement ring, or it would seem that someone is leading someone on.)
IMO, if you have any second doubts about this thing working out, just cut her off now before meeting the parents/potential in-laws. In Korea, if I’m not mistaken, feigning or even falsely intimating proposals of marriage with the intent to deceive or defraud is a crime as well as recipe for disaster — both financial (usually restitution is required) and otherwise. Good luck NK!
There’s a reason I never met any of my ex-gf’s parents at any kind
of formal occasion or family dinner/gathering until i met my wife.
(Can’t avoid the accidental bumping in to each other sometimes)
Seriously, it’s not just a Korean thing BUT it is more serious to
Asians in general if it’s a ‘formal’ introduction. Don’t do it unless
your serious. Your asking for a world of crud if you bail out afterwards.
Some of these dads are friggin insane.
I had a high school buddy from way back…(mid 30′s now)…his name
was Elliot. Right after high school, his gf’s dad came after him with
a shotgun…last time i heard from him, he had 3 kids and was a manager
at office depot or something. If you haven’t realized it yet, his gf was
Korean and he got cozy with her family before he was going to breakup
so he could go to college. True story…heard he was happy though, go figure.
8675309: “falsely intimating proposals of marriage with the intent to deceive or defraud is a crime” Hahaha. Crime, no. Morally screwed, maybe.
Nevermind that. My question of the day regards buying a notebook in Korea. I want the Korean keyboard but I also want English Windows. Legally. Anybody got any experience with this?
#19 C’mon Netizenkim, are you really that naive? Have you never seen Meet the Parents I, & II? (Ben Stiller should’ve proposed before meeting the parents, but his failure to do so ultimately sets up the comedic chain of events that is this franchise’s plot.)
I have seen “Meet the Parents” but it never occurred to me that I should be taking cues about real life experiences from a movie involving Ben Stiller. And unfortunate mishaps in real life only seem comedic after the passage of time and much drink and sharing of war stories with close friends.
Brendon, it’s not that I am naive. I think it’s more like you’re thinking more like a father and have forgotten what it’s like to be a single guy trying to figure some shit out.
I’m experiencing ‘culture shock’ with my Korean girlfriend recently. Well not with her per se but more with what she’s telling me about her parents, esp her father.
Yup, proof that Kyopos are “Americans who think they are Korean” in addition to being naive when it comes to Korean culture and way of doing things.
In Korea, when a guy or a gal meets the parents it means that they are in a serious relationship which will eventually lead to marriage. So if you are meeting the parents, they ask you about tying the knot and you give a less than committed answer, well consider yourself added to their shit list.
by some outfit in the NK military whos name I dont quite know to translate
‘정찰총국’ translated to English is ‘Reconnaissance Bureau’. It’s the agency tasked with infiltrating agents/commandos into S. Korea for the purpose of gathering intelligence, sabotaging important S.Korean/U.S. facilities, and assassinating people who are in KJI’s shit list.
While this may be par for the course in the West, it is a crime in Korea.
I want the Korean keyboard but I also want English Windows. Legally. Anybody got any experience with this?
In terms of ‘having your cake and eating too’ in Korea, go for an hp product (you’ll never find a Samsung with a similar option).
Incidentaly, all hp pc’s and laptops sold in Korea have a English/Korean menu option when setting up the operating system for the first time.
Once you make your choice one way or the other the language choice is irreversible; however, the good news is that if you set it up for “English”, you can still select between Hangeul and English, and the keyboard, of course, has all the Hangeul fonts.
Costco™ — like the one in Yangjae or near Yeoido — usually have a pretty good selection of hp laptops and desktop pcs at darn near the closest prices you can get in the U.S. At any other place, like the overrrated “TechnoMart”, be prepared to way more for the same model.
#23:
Yes, I agree NK, comedic mishaps or missteps in life seem worthy of remembering especially while drunk amongst like-minded company. However, as you’ll probably agree, such memories will seem less memorable and more forgettable as we get older and spend more time sober. That said, you might find this link helpful: http://www.koreaorbit.com/korea-culture/korean-wedding.html
Yesterday we’ve had what I consider our first real fight since we’ve met, which was a little over a month and a half ago. So I couldn’t sleep all night. My sleep-deprived mind is raging with muddled thoughts. This is one of the most challenging relationships I’ve ever had. There’s a number of things I’m trying to figure out about her.
I’ve decided to keep a journal. I find writing therapeutic and it helps me to organize my thoughts. Maybe I’ll even gain an insight or two from putting my thoughts on paper.
NetizenKim, you reallly need to watch some K-drama. I can forsee nothing but a tragic end for you with this girl if you don’t get in at least a couple episodes a week. They’ll at least get you set up with the basics. See, these programs do count for something.
Yup, proof that Kyopos are “Americans who think they are Korean” in addition to being naive when it comes to Korean culture and way of doing things.
Nope. It just means that NetizenKim hasn’t been watching K-drama.
…the headaches are the result of the “ha-an” bottling up inside him…
Came across this quote while I was watching “Legend of the Seeker” Though they pronounced the word with two syllables it sounded a lot like the word 한 (the emotion) to me. Thought it was particularly amusing because this phase can also be true when applied to 한. Letting 한 build up inside you without finding a way to vent it could very well cause severe headaches.
Net Kim
It”s a new global world. Don’t feel trapped into doing everything the Korean way. Don’t buy it that Koreans can’t comprehend that you are foreign and have your own ways. Communicate openly with your girl and her parents. Be prepared to state clearly and openly that you do NOT have a decision to marry or not. If they can’t accept that then things will be hard. Just don’t get pushed into a corner where they’re all tacitly assuming anything. More later my flight is taking off
The priest, convicted of tying up and abusing two young boys in a California church rectory, wanted to leave the ministry.
But in 1985, four years after the priest and his bishop first asked that he be defrocked, the future Pope Benedict XVI, then a top Vatican official, signed a letter saying that the case needed more time and that “the good of the Universal Church” had to be considered in the final decision, according to church documents released through lawsuits.
Am I allowed to believe yet that this “church” is an insidious organization? What was it that Jesus said about messing around with kids? OH yeah…
It strikes me as veryrevealing interesting that someone would seek relationship advice at the Marmot’s Hole, especially someone who holds a large portion of the regulars here in contempt.
NetizenKim, you reallly need to watch some K-drama. I can forsee nothing but a tragic end for you with this girl if you don’t get in at least a couple episodes a week. They’ll at least get you set up with the basics. See, these programs do count for something.
That’s right — Korean dramas will get you ready for the only two forms of intra-family communication that seem to be allowed by Korean culture: screaming rage and moody sulking. Good luck, sucker.
“There’s currently a government drafting committee working on abolition of the crimes of adultery and abortion, although I have some doubts whether ultimately Korean society is libertarian enough for either of those.”
Yes. I’ve presided over debates of both of those issues among several groups of young college-age Koreans. (Issues about which they have strong feelings is a great way to get them speaking English.) To my astonishment, their consensus invariably is that adultery should be a crime (though punishments should be lessened); nor do their opinions break down predictably on gender or even religious lines.
Abortion, on the other hand, is so fraught with personal trauma on the part of young Korean women (who in any other place at any other time in history could be mothers, but in modern Korea aren’t allowed to have sex until they marry around age 30) that I now try to avoid any discussion of that issue.
Bipolar Mindscrew,
Just buy an American PC and buy “Korean keybd stickers” to put on the US keybd. Then go to Control panel and Localization. There you can add Korean and Korean font. If done correctly, a small choice button appears in the bottom tray in the Windows. You can swap in and out of Korean and Hanja fonts.
Netizen Kim,
You are in a pile of kimchi. Real Koreans do not “friend” the opposite sex. We are like Christians. You cannot have a casual relationship. Period.
It is like Rocky getting beaten by his gf’s brother who is fuming “Are you dirtying my sister?”
Do not ever say “I am not serious yet”. Your gf’s family will say that if you are not serious, why are you dating his daughter? To dirty her!!!!! You are done. Her father will tell his daugher to stop seeing you and you are a playboy.
With a Korean girl, it is either all-in or nothing. You should’ve known this.
Have you tried a serious sulking? I mean one that lasts several months. Koreans are good at this.
Sometimes they get what they want through this technique. Beats punching and wrestling in western TV shows. This is a highly evolved form of negotiation skill.
Maybe you should try. Oh, never mind – I think you are good at it already, judging from your posts.
Netizen Kim,
You are in a pile of kimchi. Real Koreans do not “friend” the opposite sex. We are like Christians. You cannot have a casual relationship. Period.
Gotta know how freedom is defined. In the region freedom = booze and whores. Dubai is the oasis of freedom in the Gulf. Take a look at the neighbors, e.g. KSA, Yemen and Iran – all nut jobs. And the other Emirates, such a Sharjah, aren’t much better. Only Bahrain and Qatar approach Dubai in “freedom”. Of course the oases a freedom in the Middle East are Israel, which the Arabs can’t/won’t visit, and Lebanon, which still is a bit dodgy.
Well, NetKim if you feel like backing out of the marriage at the last minute, you could try arguing over the wedding venue. I know of a Korean guy who called off marriage to a woman he was planning to marry because the two families couldn’t agree on the wedding hall!
Will the North release him soon after they get something they want?
Americans walking into North Korea must realize they are actually helping the North to get things they want – because America will offer them something they want in order to release the American.
Wikileaks – has leaked a video showing the US military opening fire on a group of people in Iraq – in which they killed “two Reuters journalists” and small children – http://www.collateralmurder.com/
. . . ‘정찰총국’ translated to English is ‘Reconnaissance Bureau’. It’s the agency tasked with infiltrating agents/commandos
I would translate that as “Back-shooters Anonymous”. I guess they have stepped up from shooting women in the back to shooting entire ships from behind. Classy.
All in or nothing? That’s a fine way to go broke. Sure, I know of other ways, but sweet Job.
I knew I came to Itaewon for all the right reasons when I saw a well-dressed fellow peeing with his pants around his ankles and his hands splayed on the wall.
Solid entertainment. Also, all the Irish people. Honest to God I find it easier to talk like an Irishman than a Canuck. Thanks a lot, Quebec.
NetizenKim, i got empathy for your stress. Been there. I say, what PineForest says above is wisdom. Proceed if your heart wants to, but with explicit caution / hedge.
Craash, which would you rather criticize, an apache attacking an armed group that appeared to be aiming at the troops, or some shitheads who brought their children into a battle area to extract wounded and weapons?
Seriously, it was 2007, even the dumbest Iraqi would know by then that if there was some sort of strike, coalition troops would drop by within minutes to clean things up. The reporters where stupid to be running around with the enemy, and the children where body shields simply to be used as propaganda.
The only mistake that was made was not holding fire on the van and following it to the local vipers den.
In other news, a drastic amount of top Polish officials died in an air crash.
Some of the officials that died were
President
First Lady
Previous President
Chief of staff
Head of National Bank
Head of National Security
Deputy Speaker
Deputy Foreign Minister
I know some Polish guys over at a forum I go to. This is a pretty huge thing.
Time out for news that 32% alcohol “beer” is coming to the U.S.
This is how they won me over (from TIME via Yahoo):
“A warning label on the Tactical Nuclear Penguin bottle does state: ‘This is an extremely strong beer; it should be enjoyed in small servings and with an air of aristocratic nonchalance. It is exactly the same manner you would enjoy a fine whisky, a Frank Zappa album or a visit from a friendly yet anxious ghost.’ “
Yes!
“Some alcohol watchdog groups aren’t laughing. The chief executive of Alcohol Focus Scotland, Jack Law …”
OK, stop right there. First we had Jack Straw, a name that resonates very affectionately with EVERY old Deadhead like me. Comes now a lawman (or would-be lawman) named … Jack Law? Really? I love England. I love the British Isles. What will they come up with next, names based on occupations, like Carpenter, Farmer, Forester, Tinker, and Taylor? [sigh]
Enjoy the new reality. The truth is out. Shooting unsuspecting, unarmed, and (later) wounded men and children is just not cool. Not in my universe (or, if you search real deeply) in yours. This video will become the defining image of the Eye-Rack (don’t call it a) War (along with Abu Ghraib), just as the picture of the little napalmed girl and the guy getting a bullet in his brain remain the images of Vee-yet-nay-am. Suck on that, armchairs.
More seriously: Torture and murder are not what Americans do. It’s not who we are, as a people. That time has passed. Throw everything out.
WeikuBoy: The best part about the “defining images” you just named is that both are frequently mis-interpreted and used as anti-war images… Whether or not these pilots actually believed they were firing on hostiles will be forgotten or ignored. The point is that they come off as trigger-happy rednecks eager to shoot at whatever moves…
“Whether or not these pilots actually believed they were firing on hostiles will be forgotten or ignored. The point is that they come off as trigger-happy rednecks eager to shoot at whatever moves…”
OMG, could you MISS the point any more completely? This is not a criminal trial about the intent of the pilots. And those guys have been absolved of wrongdoing, by the Army at least. This is about America. Ambushing (like the most cowardly bushwackers in the Old West) a bunch of unsuspecting and unarmed folks, wounded men, children.
Thats what I was saying – the first time I watched the entire movie (not being American myself) I was shocked by the way – the trigger happy rednecked American just kept begging for permission to shoot.
And even after the guy was down and wounded they begged permission to shoot again.
and when the van pulled up to collect the bodies of the wounded and killed they begged permission to shoot again.
I couldn’t understand it.
Why were these guys so eager to shoot and shoot and shoot.
Then I watched the video 2 more times.
I did see the guy with the mp3 – hiding around the corner – with the mp3 raised.
and I did see one or two of the guys carrying assault rifles.
still I would not have shot them – in a country like Iraq people are allowed to carry guns.
But, those american soldiers “chose” to shoot them all, and joke about it.
that it sick.
and they killed 2 journalists and injured young children.
that is more sick.
sure I remember the “napalmed girl” from vietnam
- and what the american soldiers are doing in Iraq is the same.
no wonder so many of them finish their service, return to the USA and either (1) have severe Psychological problems or (2) commit suicide
even they can’t live with what they did.
I just say – put an end to it all – get out of Iraq! (It’s finished there – North Korean peasants need rescuing – why not rescue them)
I am rather appalled at the lack of BASIC understanding of war shown by certain anti-American posters here–who seem to think the enemy is allowed to shoot first and is only to be considered an enemy while actively shooting (i.e., the lower their guns and they’re just a civilian again).
Talk about loopy!
READ THE @#$% PROCEEDINGS OF THE HAGUE AND GENEVA CONVENTIONS.
Those who fight contrary to the Rules of War are not protected by them.
Let me repeat. Those who fight contrary to the Rules of War are not protected by them.
And if the those children were brought into a firefight, whose fault is that? Should our soldiers stop shooting back?
YOU may be willing to surrender to Taliban sharia more readily you are willing to hear a political figure mention the church gis family attends; but thankfully we still have brave young men and women shedding their blood to defend your right to dishonor them and the others before them who died so you could be free.
Shame on you!
If you want to make sure our wars are fought in a clean, sterile environment, why not enlist with the forces of al Qaeda that you apparently idolize. Maybe we’ll see you on the next WikiLeak video?
Did someone say Geneva Conventions?
[cough: Gitmo]
Please. You’re fighting WWII. This isn’t WWII. Don’t make me laugh.
“And if the those children were brought into a firefight, whose fault is that? Should our soldiers stop shooting back?”
What firefight? Shooting back? Who was shooting at the U.S. forces?
You’re delusional.
“YOU may be willing to surrender to Taliban sharia more readily …”
Now this is about the Taliban? You do realize the Taliban is in Pakistan and/or Afghanistan, and this video is from Iraq, right? Please tell me you have at least that much rudimentary understanding, eh Armchair?
Good Lord, seven years in, and jingo wannabes like you still have no idea what we’re really up against. How pathetic.
One cannot hedge everything in life. If he continues, then he has not lived at all. Never committing fully. No gusto. Just passers-by.
I have fully committed my life to Christ. And, I never hedge. There is something one should not hedge.
I was also all-in for my ex. There, I should have hedged. However, my ex was a master of deception. She suddenly turned on me. Very sudden. I got ambushed.
If I retrace my episode now, however, I am still content that I had given my 100%. I had kept my side of the bargain. It was she who renegged. I can be proud of my actions, while she cannot.
Life is short. And, I believe, we should give account of our actions before the Creator soon. I can answer for my behavior.
You know…the very idea that there are rules in war has always been
sort of stupid. Just think about what war really means. To me,
it’s to kill, defeat, destroy the enemy. That means instilling terror, fear,
and utter destruction until they surrender and possibly even if they surrender.
Terrorism is just one aspect of war. If you civilize war, then is it still war?
It’s like a playground fight….your allowed to beat them up, push, shove,
etc but there’s a line you just don’t cross. Today’s wars are like that.
I don’t think people like the vikings cared much for crap like the Geneva
convention or were concerned with war crimes……unless they wanted a ransom
You know…the very idea that there are rules in war has always been sort of stupid.
Not really. You can still aim to kill, defeat, destroy the enemy, but abide by basic principles, such as humane treatment of POWs. Honorable conduct on the battlefield is as old as war itself. I’m sure there are a hell of a lot of ex-prisoners who don’t share your view that the Geneva convention is “crap”, either.
Of course, not all sides play fair, but there’s no harm in establishing some tenets for nations to aim for.
I’ll give you an example of how two combatants, with the absolute aim of destroying each other, can still behave with humanity and dignity.
In WW1 at Gallipoli, Australian troops landed with the aim of breaking through Turkish defences and pushing inland. They landed in the wrong place and got pinned down for months, fighting a terrible trench war against the Turks. But after every firefight, every failed charge at the enemy trenches, they’d wave a flag, and the soldiers would climb over the parapets, meet and swap cigarettes, then carry their dead and wounded back to their own trenches. A short time later they’d be killing each other again.
Largely because of the respect they had for each other, Turkey and Australia actually mourn together, and when they met again in Korea (on the the same side), they held joint ceremonies of remembrance. Turkey set up a memorial at Gallipoli for Australians.
Which all begs the question: which is stranger, humanity in the midst of war, or war itself?
hoju saram: I must say that I have long found the Australian-Turkish post WWI relations quite interesting. I wonder to what extent that has to do with the fact that the ancien regime (Ottoman) collapsted, to be replaced by Kemal Ataturk and his secular regime – I suspect it has a great deal to do with it.
I will never forget standing at the Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne one ANZAC Day and hearing an RSL veteran read that text that Ataturk wrote dedicated to the ANZACs. Rarely have such magnanimous words been written about enemy soldiers:
Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives. You are now living in the soil of a friendly country therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours. You, the mothers, who sent their sons from faraway countries wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.
Could you imagine Kim Il Sung writing such about the UN soldiers who died in North Korea?
As for rules of war, consider that both sides can have shared interests, even in the midst of fighting – like avoiding escalation to nuclear exchange, for instance, which is why the US didn’t bomb China during the Korean War – why the US fought the Soviets in Afghanistan through the Mujahadeen, and Soviets fought the US in Vietnam through the VietCong.
In olden days, the ‘pitched battle’ was common – there were rules to each battle that both sides agree on, like fighting on level fields in prearranged locations and only using certain types of weaponry. And civilians usually weren’t attacked. All that stuff about chivalry and knights.
Even wild animals have evolved rules to conflict – like when bucks are fighting to mate with the female deers. It’s to no one’s advantage for the bucks to all kill one another in competition. So, usually the one’s with smaller antlers walk away.
Alot of factors can influence whether there will be rules to war or not – the fewer number of major players can make it easier to agree on rules , whether one side can assure future dominance or not, whether or not they have many shared interests.
I also think that had Australia won at Gallipoli, the Turks may not have been so magnanimous in the aftermath. The fact that we lost, yet still hold the Turks in high esteem, may have to do with a couple of things:
1. Respect for a tough opponent. After all, the ANZACs went to Europe thinking the war would be a walk in the park – remember they called WW1 ‘the big picnic’. In the Turks they found a worthy opponent, not just in battle, but in the interludes. (The Turks are also widely considered the best infantrymen in the Korean War.)
2. The fact that we attacked them, and not the other way round. Both the Turks and the Australians believed themselves pawns of the greater powers, and regarded the war – particularly in its aftermath – as an unnecessary waste of life. It’s hard to hate an enemy that suffers as much as you do, for a cause they understand as little.
2. A perverse habit of celebrating defeat instead of victory. Whereas America remembers its triumphs (Iwa Jima, D-day etc), we tend to overlook ours in favor of tragedy. If you look at WW1, Australia won a hell of a lot of battles. Mont St Quentin, Villers-Bretonneux (where the Australian flag still flies, and the French have written “N’oublions jamais l’Australie” – never forget Australia), Gibraltar and Bullecourt, Palestine and Bersheeba (the last great cavalry charge of history) …then there are the successful battles in Korea, Vietnam, WW2…but how many Australians can name them? Instead we remember Kokoda, Gallipoli — places where we failed. Even Tobruk was no victory.
The brits do the same thing (Dunkirk, for example). I think it has something to do with the romance of disaster and defeat. What is more emotive, a song of glory and triumph, or a dirge of tragedy, like this?
Koreans also celebrate tragedy. The very idea of Han is a sort of deep, abiding sorrow. Arirang, perhaps the most famous of Korea’s traditional songs, is bitterly sad. And how often have you heard Koreans talking about their triumphs in the Korean War? (This may have to do with the fact that they were fighting their own people – the caveat being that they do, in fact, celebrate their victories over the Japanese). Instead its all mournful loss and disaster. I think Koreans share the same idea of sadness being somehow beautiful and romantic.
I recall standing there, watching the parade, and my academic friend said to me that ANZAC Day parades are the ersatz public displays of religion in Australia (apart from sport). He likened them to the Corpus Christi processions in Spain, etc.
The brits do the same thing (Dunkirk, for example). I think it has something to do with the romance of disaster and defeat. What is more emotive, a song of glory and triumph, or a dirge of tragedy,
Or, more to the point, the Glosters stand on the Imjin.
The interesting thing about this trope, though, is that it is a kind of counterpoint to triumphalist nationalist celebrations that focuses instead on the plight of individuals, who are almost always losers in war, one way or another. And in that respect there are just as many exemplars in the American canon as anywhere else, perhaps the ur-text being Stephen Crane’s Red Badge of Courage.
This has evolved into one of the best threads ever.
Fascinating stuff about Australia and Australia & Turkiye.
“America remembers its triumphs (Iwo Jima, D-day etc.) …”
That’s because we HAVE no defeats.
Of course I’m joking. Pearl Harbor Day is/was at least as big as D-Day; and D-Day itself was more like a terrible first step on the road to victory.
The Americans who most remember our Civil War are the Southerners whose ancestors lost it. Pickett’s Charge at Gettysburg (really more of a slow walk into withering fire, presaging by 50 years the mechanized slaughter of WWI) is the focus of their misguided treason in defense of slavery romanticism. And of course 9/11 will ere be remembered by those of us who lived through that surreal day.
The best war book ever is still All Quiet on the Western Front.
Written (in case anyone doesn’t know) by a German.
The Americans who most remember our Civil War are the Southerners whose ancestors lost it.
I think that depends on whether one in fact had ancestors who fought. There probably are equally few today who have on both sides of the Mason-Dixon Line – although the War Between the States probably still is more of a general living cultural memory in the South (for good or ill).
The song reached the #1 chart position in Europe but did not chart in the U.S. where it was initially withheld from release and then banned by several radio stations.
[Source: Wikipedia]
Interesting that one group made the song about death and failure in one place, only for it to become more popular in another place!
Sperwer, will we see you tomorrow at the RAS lecture? I have been too afraid to go up and introduce myself, given your somewhat strident (violent?) comments sometimes, but given your smily emoticon above, I am almost game to chance it.
Hoju_saram: thanks for the Band Played Waltzing Matilda. It is enough to bring a tear to my eye at least. I remember we sang this at school once, but that Irishman does a much better rendition of it than our young throats could.
Do you remember this one from 1983? It’s a chiller too, especially (for me) the line about the channel 7 chopper.
And of course there was Khe Sanh, but that was less about the battle itself than the wrecked, aimless life of a veteran after ‘Nam. I used to joke that Khe Sanh was once the unofficial Aussie national anthem. I swear that boys of my generation knew its lyrics better than Advance Australia Fair. But now a new generation has come up who don’t know it.
Sperwer, will we see you tomorrow at the RAS lecture? I have been too afraid to go up and introduce myself, given your somewhat strident (violent?) comments sometimes, but given your smily emoticon above, I am almost game to chance it.
Hamel: Now that you’ve brought it to my attention, I think I will.
Don’t worry, my bite is much worse than my bark; but it takes a LOT more to provoke (nowadays, at least), unless you’re a Seoul taxi or bus driver [Current box score: Sperwer 10: Taxi/Bus ajosshis 0]. And I’m verbally actually fairly mild in the flesh.
Yeah, Khe Sanh is defiantely old school these days. BTW, is it just me, or is your link weird? It looks like it should be ok, but when i put my mouse over it I can’t click – in both chrome and firefox.
“He believes immigration reform is a crucial component not only in reviving our economy, but also in creating a North American community, similar to the European Union.
It’s not a new idea – former Mexican President Vicente Fox mentioned the idea of a free flow of labor and trade on a visit to Dallas in 2000. And the U.S. Council on Foreign Relations issued a trinational report in 2005 in which it proposed the creation of a North American community involving the U.S., Mexico and Canada for enhanced security and prosperity.
Castañeda’s vision for this broader relationship goes beyond the North American Free Trade Agreement and involves a free flow of labor and energy, security provisions, integration of currencies, and greater social cohesion.
“NAFTA has run out of steam, and it is not generating jobs in Mexico,” he said. “The U.S. and Mexico are further apart in economic development today, and the gap is getting bigger. We cannot leave it to the market alone to solve our issues.”
The relationship with Mexico is a lot deeper already than many realize. Castañeda has noted that one in nine Mexicans lives in the U.S. today, and therefore suggests that Mexico can no longer be viewed solely as a Latin American country.
Roger Meiners, an economics and law professor at UTA, said the U.S. and Mexico have been actively talking about a follow-up to NAFTA for years. Former President George W. Bush and Fox were in talks shortly before 9/11, when everything was derailed.
But “opening up the borders for more trade makes sense,” Castañeda said. “Increased economic activity would benefit the U.S., and all levels of income would rise, on both sides of the border.”
It would be to our advantage to expand NAFTA, he said.
“You don’t want an unstable country on your border.”"
Haha. How karmic that I should “bork” an html tag after taking Sperwer and you to task for same. (I dont know how to add smily emoticons so Sperwer is one ahead of me.)
Sperwer, if you don’t run out directly after the lecture like you usually do, I will extend the right hand of friendship and ask you to join me and a Harvard professor of landscape architecture for a drink, if that should interest you.
A foreign coworker and I got a good laugh yesterday morning.
Every morning, the company broadcasts their propaganda for about 10 or 15 minutes to tell us how to think and how to be great employees (and to buy cellphones from OUR company, NOT Apple). Mondays are special… the broadcast is in English, so only myself and my Russian sidekick pay passing attention. The broadcasts are occasionally geared towards the foreign employees, and discuss issues faced by us.
Yesterday was the second part in a series about loneliness of, and communication problems with foreign employees. They presented a couple of survey results of Korean employees. One of my favorite was:
When do you have a difficult time communicating in English with foreign colleagues? The results were:
44% – When discussing serious topics during meetings 41% – “When trying to explain something that only Koreans could understand”
11% – When speaking to a foreign colleague in front of a Korean who speaks English well
4% – When foreigner can’t understand English well
I guess that the 41% must be trying to explain Korean exceptionalism to the foreign employees, because yeah, it’s probably the only thing that we foreign employees certainly can’t understand, no matter how clearly it might be explained.
Anyway, it’s good to know that the notion of Korean Exceptionalism is alive and well even amongst the country’s “Number One Company.”
Several months ago, I griped about how my beloved employer was giving me the shaft in some regards on my housing. As a result, I got some sympathy and likely left the image of said employer a bit maligned. It’s only fair of me now to report that the problem was resolved to my satisfaction. It took drastically more lobbying and caused much more frustration than it ever should have, but in the end they took care of me. Good on them, for finally keeping their word.
Speaking of my beloved employer, here’s another story.
The entire Group decided that too many people were not using all of their vacation days, and that paying for the unused vacation days was too expensive. Also, there was some confusion amongst employees under what circumstances they should or should not get paid for unused vacation. To “solve” these “problems,” they just ELIMINATED week or more vacation away from everyone at the beginning of the year (March), effective immediately for 2010, and paid people for 4 years of the same number of unused days. Poof… vacation gone.
Suddenly I realized why labor unions aren’t always a bad thing, and also why the powers-that-be police the employees sufficiently that no union can form.
How they will handle foreign engineers under this policy is still being determined, though it is certain that we will eventually lose the vacation days as well. I currently stand to lose 8 days. Just when I thought I was done battling with them just to maintain the status quo… they pull me back in.
JW – The only things flying around here that you need to know about is products and out the door! Times are good… at the moment.
Come on J-dubs, You aren’t supposed to be paying attention to the details of your mutual funds anyway. Just buy them, forget about them for several years until you need them, and in the meantime, trust the guys on Wall Street who are managing your money for you. That’s how the sales pitch goes/went, right?
41% – “When trying to explain something that only Koreans could understand”
Awkwardly worded, perhaps, but I believe it is fair to say that there are certain topics of discussion that Korean speakers (speaking in Korean) could use a sort of shorthand to describe, whereas when speaking to non-Koreans (who might not be familiar with the subject or the subject’s cultural background), much more exposition would be required that would have been unnecessary had the conversation been in Korean.
For example, if they were discussing the turns and twists of the latest popular historical drama. Or bearing the “ham” prior to a wedding. Or participation in a “kye”. And so forth.
Granted, many foreigners have lived in Korea long enough to understand Korean culture, but how can the Korean speaking to them be sure which things are familiar to the non-Korean, and which are not?
That’s the wording the native speaking Korean host used, though who knows how the original question was worded in Korean.
@dogbertt 108:
The whole shy/embarassed thing annoys me too, but I can understand… our colleagues are highly educated, and have built their reputations on being smart, competitively smart. Speaking embarassingly bad English in front of a Korean coworker who is also well educated but for whatever not so important reasons would make such a person self-conscious I suppose.
That’s perhaps part of the reason why I stick to English at work. I can get by in several situations in Korean, but at the point I can’t, I would feel stupid/insufficient. So, I just avoid that road pretty much all together.
The entire Group decided that too many people were not using all of their vacation days, and that paying for the unused vacation days was too expensive.
I’m not so sure that the company is screwing anybody — at least not in respect of this annual-leave issue. Check Arts. 59 and 59-2 of the Labor Standards Act.
The Labor Standards Act has always had a “use it or lose it” provision, but historically the Supreme Court adopted an interpretation that was the opposite of what was plainly written in the statute — this is why employers had to allow limitless “banking” of leave and payment for unused leave balances.
The National Assembly amended the LSA in September 2003 to reinforce the use it or lose it principle, and expressly provided in Art. 59-2 for a system to warn employees of pending leave expiration before the leave is lost. The law phased in application of this method from 2004 to 2011; your company’s got more than 1000 employees so this leave-expiration policy should have become effective from July 1, 2004.
Seems to me payment of four years’ additional leave is over and above what’s required of the company. For example, even if the company were wrong in its past practice, wage claims (which include claims for unused leave) are subject to a three (3)-year time bar.
There’s a really interesting story somewhere in the Korean-language press today about GM-Daewoo being subject to a 1000-worker, W70 billion group action demanding some sort of back wage, which I think was annual leave but which may have been severance pay. Anyway, I should look for that again, maybe for my own blog.
I hope you’re not visiting to read (or contribute) to the message boards there, because then you are wasting your time.
I ain’t a genius, but I know that much. But tracking prices and relevant macro news every 2 minutes has become a sort of obsessive “hobby” of mine, if you will.
Charlie Rose interviewed James Chanos last night. I recommend you check it out on his web site because what he has to say may affect us all. James Chanos is the fella who became famous for predicting Enron’s collapse. More recently, he made big news when the New York Times reported that he was shorting China.
Why I’ll never vote for another Democrat again: Median household income in America, US$50,893; total state and Federal government spending per household, US$47,000. But good news: Only $31,088 of that is Federal spending, and Congress is borrowing 42% of that money anyway. Don’t worry! Your grandchildren will pay for it all. Or we can pay it all back with Weimar greenbacks after the collapse.
One of the myriad detestable things about Barack Obama is that, having taken over the wheel of a bus careening toward the edge of a cliff, instead of doing anything — anything! — to arrest the advance of the bus, ol’ leadfoot Barack has stepped on the gas despite his promises to the contrary during the election.
Floor it! he now says. He tells the passengers if he accelerates enough toward the cliff, somehow the laws of gravity will be repealed and he can fly the bus across the chasm. That never worked for Wile E. Coyote and it won’t work for America. Personally, I think this driver Barack may be mad and is trying to kill us all.
Many Republicans aren’t doing us any favors either. This is why I favor the insurgents within the Republican Party — the Michele Bachmanns, the Paul Ryans, and yes, the Sarah Palins. I will support any candidate who tells me Sorry, they stole your Social Security and it’s all gone. I know it already — just tell me the truth and let’s face it together!
America must find a way to roll back the entitlement state or the Republic is surely finished. And Korea, with its still-nascent entitlement state, has a chance to see the unraveling and to avoid repeating our mistakes.
Arts. 59 and 59-2 of the Labor Standards Act sound really interesting. Do they actually explain that if the dude sitting next to me prefers to come to the office to surf the internet a few extra days in order to get a payout for his vacation (or in some cases is coerced by management not to use all of his vacation), then the guy sitting on the other side of me and I, who tresasure and use all of our vacation days, can suddenly have our vacation taken away from us from now until eternity?
Thanks for the heads up, WangKon. Having just finished Ken Kawashima’s study of migrant Korean labor in Japan during the pre-war colonial period, Suzuki-Morris’ account of the probelmatic repatriation of Zainichi to NK, and Park Hyun-Ok’s book on Koreans in colonial Manchuria, I’m looking forward to getting my hands on this.
For example, if they were discussing the turns and twists of the latest popular historical drama. Or bearing the “ham” prior to a wedding. Or participation in a “kye”. And so forth.
Indeed. Fortunately many of these are low frequency events for most of the foreigner. The one the watch out for the foreigner is “shipbujae”, and its more evil cousin “ebujae”.
Thanks again, WangKon! I’ve actually read a library copy of Lie’s book and was able to meet and discuss it with him when he was in Korea in, I think it was, the Spring of 2009, when he gave a pro-seminar at Kodae. Nice to know I can get a reference copy for my own library w/out having to pay for a change.
brendon – No snark here. You trotted out Arts. 59 and 59-2 of the Labor Standards Act, talked about Supreme Court interpretations, recent amendments, etc., and in effect presented yourself as an authority on the topic. So I was simply looking for clarification about what you were saying and what it has to do with what I was talking about. Given your apparent mastery of the topic, surely your interpretation would be much more efficient and spot on than me doing research on my own.
cmm — The short answer is yes, collective terms and conditions of employment apply equally to you and your buddy as they apply to the Starcraft ranger.
CNN’s Situation Room this morning had a yahoo (pre-tube definition) from Oklahoma whining about federal spending. His solution: Guns! He says a new state militia will protect Oklahomans from federal spending.
You can’t make this stuff up.
He cited bailouts, stimulus packages, and “Obamacare” but of course did not mention two unnecessary wars or military spending and like Brendon first discovered the issue only with Barry Hussein Obama X’s election.
CNN goes well out of its way to find such people where it can, or to otherwise distort or misrepresent events in order to shape perceptions. CNN is not a reliable source at all.
Here’s CNN on a Sarah Palin-headlined Tea Party rally in Searchlight, Nevada: “Hundreds of people, at least dozens”, giving the impression of a modest turnout for a disregarded fringe figure. Luckily there are some aerial photos of the actual turnout. Dozens? A thousand dozen, perhaps two, in a town with a population less than 1000, with traffic backed up for miles and miles as people hike down a desert highway to get to the rally. (Meanwhile, the liberal “Coffee Party” counter-gatherings don’t seem to have much trouble getting friendly coverage.)
America’s mainstream media lies, straight up. Our journalists have abandoned the function of being a check on state power, and have voluntarily adopted the supine posture of Pravda and Izvestiya of old to serve the interest of the Party and the One. “Fake but accurate” is just okay with them, but not with me. No, thanks, to the Situation Room; I’ll pass.
I want New Jersey’s fat Republican governor as my President in 2012.
And we wonder what keeps the Birthers so interested in their seemingly-quixotic pursuit…
Hot news among the conspiracy set! Apparently, the current Kenyan Minister for Lands on March 25, 2010 made an official statement, a throwaway reference in a parliamentary debate, to the effect that Barack Obama was born in Kenya as the Birthers allege:
If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America? It is because they did away with exclusion. (Official Report of the National Assembly, March 25, 2010 at p. 31)
Obama’s background is in fact shrouded in mystery and he’s expended considerable resources and effort toward keeping it that way. For example, we know nothing of his performance at Occidental College, Columbia University, or Harvard Law School other than his election to the law review presidency. (By contrast, American voters know from the 2004 election that both George W. Bush and John Kerry were “C” students at Yale, with Bush’s grades slightly better.) Obama’s birth certificate remains quite well-hidden.
I wish the guy would come clean and clear up these inquiries. I, for one, have doubts whether he was in fact born in the United States (if he was, why keep everything cloudy), and don’t know whether that would have had any effect on the transmission of citizenship from his mother under US nationality law as it existed in 1961 when he was born. My kids are also born overseas to a single US citizen parent, and under current law they are “natural born citizens”. But shouldn’t we have a right to know about Obama?
Obama’s background is in fact shrouded in mystery and he’s expended considerable resources and effort toward keeping it that way. For example, we know nothing of his performance at Occidental College, Columbia University, or Harvard Law School other than his election to the law review presidency.
This is because he was involved in secret activity:
OMFG, Brendon is a birther. (!) That explains so much.
“America’s mainstream media lies, straight up. Journalists have abandoned the function of being a check on state power, and have voluntarily adopted the supine posture of Pravda and Izvestiya of old to serve the interest of the [White House occupants]. “Fake but accurate” is just okay with them, …”
I agree with you. Provided you agree that the same was true during eight long years when Bush-Cheney controlled the state power. “Journalists” sell their credibility (and their souls) in exchange for access. And because of that the U.S. (excuse me, “coalition”) is now bogged down in not one but two unwinnable yet expensive (and unpaid-for) wars that the media as the full complicitors of the neo-cons sold to the American people.
Per 115, that Chanos is very interesting. If China tanks — which I hope it does and have the impression that it could happen from what I read — North Korea will most likely collapse completely, shortly thereafter.
I will probably end up raising cabbage but I would put up with that just to see the end to such evil.
When Chanos talks of a bubble, he is specifically referring to the commercial real estate and upscale condo market in cities such as Beijing or Shanghai. Many people, including him, are assuming that this bubble will snowball into a US-style housing bubble collapse similar to what happened in late 2008, affecting not just housing but the banks and the entire economy.
I disagree. Primary reason being that the US financial institutions were taking hundreds of thousands of sub-prime mortgages, re-packaging them into derivatives. Because so many of the big banks were holding large sums of these derivatives, what Warren Buffet called “financial weapons of mass destruction”, it was guaranteed right from the beginning that if things went south, the too-big-to-fail banks would implode and suck everything along with it, causing ripple effects across the entire economy. None of this is happening in China.
Also, Chanos was disingenuous during his interview with Charlie Rose. He discussed the core of the problem, which are empty upscale condos and commercial real estate space. Then he goes on to say “50-60% of China’s GDP is construction”. The way he says it, he wants you to think 50-60% of China’s GDP is being spent on such empty real estate. Wrong.
Furthermore, Chanos himself admitted that he’s mostly working off statistics from Chinese sources, not independent sources. That means he doesn’t have a thorough, comprehensive boots-on-the-ground picture of what’s going on in China. He sees some flashy high-rises going up in the rich, coastal cities and extrapolates that to the entire country.
Let me be clear: I’m not a “Birther”. I’m sure the man is a United States citizen, by virtue of the fact that one parent was a citizen at the time of his birth wherever that took place. My own children born in Seoul are citizens; why wouldn’t the similarly-born Barack Obama be a citizen? So I’m not invested in the weird fantasy that somehow we can “disqualify” him and nullify the election.
However, the guy is clearly hiding something (more likely, a lot of somethings), and inquiring minds want to know. Given that his own African grandmother declares he was born in Kenya, and it seems to be accepted fact over there, it is curious why Obama would work so hard to keep the question open. Is it rope-a-dope? Who knows.
“What are the rules for people born on or after November 14, 1986?
Children born abroad to two US citizen parents, one of whom has resided in the US prior to the birth of the child, continue to be US citizens at birth, and need take no special actions to retain citizenship.
Children born to one citizen parent and one foreign national will obtain citizenship at birth if the citizen parent resided in the US for five years before the birth, with two of those years after the age of 14. The child does not need to take any special action to retain US citizenship.”
“I just feel he’s (Obama) getting away from what America is,” said Kathy Mayhugh, 67, a retired medical transcriber in Jacksonville. “He’s a socialist and to tell you the truth, I think he’s a Muslim and trying to head us in that direction, I don’t care what he says. He’s been in office over a year and can’t find a church to go to. That doesn’t say much for him.”
When I read comments like this, I think that the American education system has failed, in spades.
remember, folks; you can watch ‘iris’ in the states for free and legally at dramafever.com . yes, ingoorishwi subtitles though i agree with wankon. watch ‘yi san’ or ‘kingdom of the wind’ instead. btw, ‘queen sondeok’ is good too.
WangKon didn’t do a good job of selling his #150.
It’s about strict Korean-style hagwons in the U.S.
For me, the money shot is simply learning that the whole thing concerns preparing not for Korea’s soo-nung, but for the U.S.’ SAT!
(Do you think we should break it to the parents who are paying so much money that the SAT doesn’t reward rote memorization of useless crap? That beyond taking a few minutes to check out the format and getting a good night’s sleep, it’s not a test that can really be prepared for?)
From what I was told, Iris was made for the Japanese market to begin with. Pawi, thanks for the link to dramafever. I watched some episodes but the lack of subtitles led to a lack of understanding.
you’re welcome, cmm. please be advised that dramafever will only work for those in the states or canada. gangpe tried to get around that but found he couldn’t. best of luck.
“추노” is the Korean drama I enjoyed most recently. It has something for everyone.
“Iris” was not bad but the narrative completely fell apart the last few episodes. I don’t mind a certain degree of open-ended-ness but not a wholesale opacity. And yes, Miss Kim is a horrible actress, even among the stereo-typical actresses hired for their looks rather than acting aptitude.
i’ve heard good things about ‘chuno’. just fyi, dramafever has that one too. they also have ijjimae and jumong. again i really liked ‘yi san’ though i must say i like lee seo jin, lee sun jae, and kyon mi ri.
spot on on miss kim there wjc. she sucks. the more tragic thing is that there are plenty of cuter girls who could have stunk up that roll instead of her.
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It seems as if the yellow dust has gone? People are beginning to open their windows and shops are taking “air cleaners” away and replacing them with air-conditioners.
Happy Confederate History Month!
Treason in Defense of Slavery! Yes!
1. I never would’ve imagined smoking on submarines would be OK.
2. Funniest thing I read all week: Yahoo on a couple serving jail time in Dubai for kissing in public. Every sentence concerning Dubai’s intolerance nevertheless tried to portray it as a bastion of tolerance. E.g., “A couple earlier went to jail for several months for sending racy text messages in the Middle Eastern oasis of freedom.” Absoultely fabulous.
3. Saddest news of the week (tie): Justice Stevens, our greatest justice, is retiring; and of course the Collateral Murder video. In the words of more than one character in The Wire, “that is some shameful shit.”
Currently on Season 2 Episode 9 of The Wire. It’s everything rolled up into a masterful package. What. a. show.
A sudden burst of warm weather after a cold, snowy winter has blessed Virginia with the most spectacular spring in years. Everything is blooming within a short period of time, creating an explosion of color all around. Last week, forsythias, magnolias, cherry and pear trees were all in full bloom. They’re now getting leaves, but the redbuds and dogwoods have just opened and delightful purple wisteria vines draping trees, fences, and houses will soon follow. Dogwood trees are every bit as beautiful as cherry trees, and their blooms last twice as long. I haven’t eaten any fruit since last fall’s apples in January, and my mouth is already watering for the first fruits of the season, strawberries, expected at the end of the month.
I think I will buy some Makkoli at H Mart on Federal Way. I need them for my Sleepless in Seattle. Anybody knows good place to hang around in Sea-Tac area, of course it needs to be good for all ethnics.
I shopped at that H-Mart while visiting my brother, who lives nearby in one of the not-so-poor neighborhoods along Poverty Bay. If the weather’s nice, Redondo Beach is a fun place to enjoy sun, sand, seafood, and fit, attractive, young people.
Yikes; we agree on someting.:) I watched the entire series over a weekend. Hadn’t done anything like that since screening Fassbinders’ Alexanderplatz in one sitting 30 years ago.
Sounds good Sonagi, I will visit the place one of these days at daytime! ^^
I made a mistake today. I have had a “Scindapsus aureus” plant in my house – http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Epipremnum_aureum2.jpg
that has been growing for 5 years up the wall (inside) and across the roof.
Once a week I spray water onto the leaves and water it.
Today, by mistake I grabbed the wrong “spray bottle” and sprayed it with “ironing aid”.
When I realized my mistake I quickly grabbed the “water spray bottle” and sprayed it heaps with the water.
Is ironing aid very dangerous to plants – or do you think my plant will survive.
I really love this plant because I have had it so many years and it is growing so long – all over my walls and ceiling.
I just want someone to tell me – that the ironing aid won’t hurt it – I did spray heaps of water on it – when I discovered my mistake.
Sperwer — That must have been one long weekend. There were 60 episodes of The Wire, and I seem to recall they were longer than the standard 40 minutes of broadcast television. Still, even if they’re only 40 minutes, 60 episodes is a full 40 hours of television.
Some Cheonan sinking updates:
Hani reports that an unnamed source in the SK military blames the sinking of the Cheonan on an act of terrorism by some outfit in the NK military whos name I dont quite know to translate. http://news.hankooki.com/lpage/politics/201004/h2010041010264291040.htm
JoongAng Daily editorial is calling for patience, hinting that already some are calling for action.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2919018
Andrei Lankov provides his analysis in the IHT. Great title: “If you can’t retalite, you weren’t attacked!” http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/09/opinion/09iht-edlankov.html
Doug Bandow adds his long non-interventionist libertarian comment here:
http://www.nationalinterest.org/Article.aspx?id=23144
One thing seems in dispute: was the corvette in good shape before the explosion/sinking or not?
Brendon:
I didn’t get much sleep; and I didn’t watch any TV for about 2 months afterwards.
One thing that would prove exciting? KJI died a long time ago, the Kim we know is actually a doppelganger, and the ruling elite has been in-fighting ever since, and the Cheonan was torpedoed by one of the factions. It’s a far-fetched theory but with all the known facts, it’s as plausible as anything else.
Sperwer — Hey, you don’t have to justify yourself to me. I just wouldn’t have imagined you able to watch 40+ hours of television. How did you stay awake? Are you using methamphetamine? Or is it simply the result of all that workout. The Wire‘s good TV, sure, but 40 hours of it would tax the endurance of a lesser man.
Maybe the so-called “Drug War” madness will end in my lifetime?
Judge Jim Gray on The Six Groups That Benefit From Drug Prohibition
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I think I will buy some Makkoli at H Mart…
If you enjoy makkoli then I highly recommend Nigori sake. It’s just like makkoli and goes for about $10 for a 1.5 liter bottle
Today I bought my first DSLR camera, a Nikon D3000 with a 18-55mm lenses for $450 at J&R in NYC. The prices have come down dramatically lately, normally these entry-level DSLRs go for over $600. Taking pictures with the Nikon is a pleasure and a major difference from a simple point-and-shoot in terms of shutter speed under low light conditions without flash.
I’m experiencing ‘culture shock’ with my Korean girlfriend recently. Well not with her per se but more with what she’s telling me about her parents, esp her father. Apparently nowadays, the act of “meeting the parents” in Korea implies that you’ve made a serious decision to marry their daughter, short of a formal proposal and a ring. Is this true? Because that’s a total revelation to me. For me, the purpose of meeting the girl’s parents is primarily to introduce myself to them and also to get better acquainted with her family. This is how it’s generally understood in the United States, isn’t it? Marriage proposal is something that happens afterward. Jesus Christ, that kinda threw me off like an unexpected odd curve ball from left field.
I thought the purpose of meeting a girlfriend’s parents is so you can expand your “friends and family” network in order to shore up your Pyramid™ sales/multi-level marketing recruitment figures for the month.
C’mon Netizenkim, are you really that naive? Have you never seen Meet the Parents I, & II? (Ben Stiller should’ve proposed before meeting the parents, but his failure to do so ultimately sets up the comedic chain of events that is this franchise’s plot.)
Hollywood notwithstanding, just lemme say that at this juncture and ostensible age (mid- to late 30′s?), assuming you’re not totally wet behind the ears, have dated this girl for a while and are both serious about this relationship, meeting the girls parents — IN KOREA OF ALL PLACES — is strictly pro forma.
(In other words, you better have already decided that the next step is to pick out the engagement ring, or it would seem that someone is leading someone on.)
IMO, if you have any second doubts about this thing working out, just cut her off now before meeting the parents/potential in-laws. In Korea, if I’m not mistaken, feigning or even falsely intimating proposals of marriage with the intent to deceive or defraud is a crime as well as recipe for disaster — both financial (usually restitution is required) and otherwise. Good luck NK!
NetizenKim — So you’re not just naive about Korea. Interesting.
There’s a reason I never met any of my ex-gf’s parents at any kind
of formal occasion or family dinner/gathering until i met my wife.
(Can’t avoid the accidental bumping in to each other sometimes)
Seriously, it’s not just a Korean thing BUT it is more serious to
Asians in general if it’s a ‘formal’ introduction. Don’t do it unless
your serious. Your asking for a world of crud if you bail out afterwards.
Some of these dads are friggin insane.
I had a high school buddy from way back…(mid 30′s now)…his name
was Elliot. Right after high school, his gf’s dad came after him with
a shotgun…last time i heard from him, he had 3 kids and was a manager
at office depot or something. If you haven’t realized it yet, his gf was
Korean and he got cozy with her family before he was going to breakup
so he could go to college. True story…heard he was happy though, go figure.
8675309: “falsely intimating proposals of marriage with the intent to deceive or defraud is a crime” Hahaha. Crime, no. Morally screwed, maybe.
Nevermind that. My question of the day regards buying a notebook in Korea. I want the Korean keyboard but I also want English Windows. Legally. Anybody got any experience with this?
#19
C’mon Netizenkim, are you really that naive? Have you never seen Meet the Parents I, & II? (Ben Stiller should’ve proposed before meeting the parents, but his failure to do so ultimately sets up the comedic chain of events that is this franchise’s plot.)
I have seen “Meet the Parents” but it never occurred to me that I should be taking cues about real life experiences from a movie involving Ben Stiller. And unfortunate mishaps in real life only seem comedic after the passage of time and much drink and sharing of war stories with close friends.
#20
Brendon, it’s not that I am naive. I think it’s more like you’re thinking more like a father and have forgotten what it’s like to be a single guy trying to figure some shit out.
I’m experiencing ‘culture shock’ with my Korean girlfriend recently. Well not with her per se but more with what she’s telling me about her parents, esp her father.
Yup, proof that Kyopos are “Americans who think they are Korean” in addition to being naive when it comes to Korean culture and way of doing things.
In Korea, when a guy or a gal meets the parents it means that they are in a serious relationship which will eventually lead to marriage. So if you are meeting the parents, they ask you about tying the knot and you give a less than committed answer, well consider yourself added to their shit list.
by some outfit in the NK military whos name I dont quite know to translate
‘정찰총국’ translated to English is ‘Reconnaissance Bureau’. It’s the agency tasked with infiltrating agents/commandos into S. Korea for the purpose of gathering intelligence, sabotaging important S.Korean/U.S. facilities, and assassinating people who are in KJI’s shit list.
While this may be par for the course in the West, it is a crime in Korea.
In terms of ‘having your cake and eating too’ in Korea, go for an hp product (you’ll never find a Samsung with a similar option).
Incidentaly, all hp pc’s and laptops sold in Korea have a English/Korean menu option when setting up the operating system for the first time.
Once you make your choice one way or the other the language choice is irreversible; however, the good news is that if you set it up for “English”, you can still select between Hangeul and English, and the keyboard, of course, has all the Hangeul fonts.
Costco™ — like the one in Yangjae or near Yeoido — usually have a pretty good selection of hp laptops and desktop pcs at darn near the closest prices you can get in the U.S. At any other place, like the overrrated “TechnoMart”, be prepared to way more for the same model.
#23:
Yes, I agree NK, comedic mishaps or missteps in life seem worthy of remembering especially while drunk amongst like-minded company. However, as you’ll probably agree, such memories will seem less memorable and more forgettable as we get older and spend more time sober. That said, you might find this link helpful:
http://www.koreaorbit.com/korea-culture/korean-wedding.html
Polish President Lech Kazcynski feared dead in plane crash in Russia.
#28
Yesterday we’ve had what I consider our first real fight since we’ve met, which was a little over a month and a half ago. So I couldn’t sleep all night. My sleep-deprived mind is raging with muddled thoughts. This is one of the most challenging relationships I’ve ever had. There’s a number of things I’m trying to figure out about her.
I’ve decided to keep a journal. I find writing therapeutic and it helps me to organize my thoughts. Maybe I’ll even gain an insight or two from putting my thoughts on paper.
NetizenKim, you reallly need to watch some K-drama. I can forsee nothing but a tragic end for you with this girl if you don’t get in at least a couple episodes a week. They’ll at least get you set up with the basics. See, these programs do count for something.
Nope. It just means that NetizenKim hasn’t been watching K-drama.
Came across this quote while I was watching “Legend of the Seeker” Though they pronounced the word with two syllables it sounded a lot like the word 한 (the emotion) to me. Thought it was particularly amusing because this phase can also be true when applied to 한. Letting 한 build up inside you without finding a way to vent it could very well cause severe headaches.
Net Kim
It”s a new global world. Don’t feel trapped into doing everything the Korean way. Don’t buy it that Koreans can’t comprehend that you are foreign and have your own ways. Communicate openly with your girl and her parents. Be prepared to state clearly and openly that you do NOT have a decision to marry or not. If they can’t accept that then things will be hard. Just don’t get pushed into a corner where they’re all tacitly assuming anything. More later my flight is taking off
Am I allowed to believe yet that this “church” is an insidious organization? What was it that Jesus said about messing around with kids? OH yeah…
It strikes me as very
revealinginteresting that someone would seek relationship advice at the Marmot’s Hole, especially someone who holds a large portion of the regulars here in contempt.That’s right — Korean dramas will get you ready for the only two forms of intra-family communication that seem to be allowed by Korean culture: screaming rage and moody sulking. Good luck, sucker.
Not as of last year. The law was struck down.
Here’s a link to reporting on the Constitutional Court’s decision last fall regarding the breach-of-promise crime. There’s currently a government drafting committee also working on abolition of the crimes of adultery and abortion, although I have some doubts whether ultimately Korean society is libertarian enough for either of those.
Holy crap dudes. According to KBS news, the price of one cabbage went up from 1500 Won last year to about 5800 Won right now. That’s just insane.
It’s called protectionism.
“There’s currently a government drafting committee working on abolition of the crimes of adultery and abortion, although I have some doubts whether ultimately Korean society is libertarian enough for either of those.”
Yes. I’ve presided over debates of both of those issues among several groups of young college-age Koreans. (Issues about which they have strong feelings is a great way to get them speaking English.) To my astonishment, their consensus invariably is that adultery should be a crime (though punishments should be lessened); nor do their opinions break down predictably on gender or even religious lines.
Abortion, on the other hand, is so fraught with personal trauma on the part of young Korean women (who in any other place at any other time in history could be mothers, but in modern Korea aren’t allowed to have sex until they marry around age 30) that I now try to avoid any discussion of that issue.
keius,
Her father was not a Korean. A Korean father usually comes with a butcher knife – to cut his family jewel off. Here is a guy who had his done http://www.blockbuster.com/browse/catalog/personDetails/205555.
The violating part must be stopped.
Bipolar Mindscrew,
Just buy an American PC and buy “Korean keybd stickers” to put on the US keybd. Then go to Control panel and Localization. There you can add Korean and Korean font. If done correctly, a small choice button appears in the bottom tray in the Windows. You can swap in and out of Korean and Hanja fonts.
Netizen Kim,
You are in a pile of kimchi. Real Koreans do not “friend” the opposite sex. We are like Christians. You cannot have a casual relationship. Period.
It is like Rocky getting beaten by his gf’s brother who is fuming “Are you dirtying my sister?”
Do not ever say “I am not serious yet”. Your gf’s family will say that if you are not serious, why are you dating his daughter? To dirty her!!!!! You are done. Her father will tell his daugher to stop seeing you and you are a playboy.
With a Korean girl, it is either all-in or nothing. You should’ve known this.
Sorry, I was thinking of http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001154/.
He may be a Korean. ^^
Brendon Carr,
Have you tried a serious sulking? I mean one that lasts several months. Koreans are good at this.
Sometimes they get what they want through this technique. Beats punching and wrestling in western TV shows. This is a highly evolved form of negotiation skill.
Maybe you should try. Oh, never mind – I think you are good at it already, judging from your posts.
amen, brotha’.
Tongue in cheek, me thinks.
Gotta know how freedom is defined. In the region freedom = booze and whores. Dubai is the oasis of freedom in the Gulf. Take a look at the neighbors, e.g. KSA, Yemen and Iran – all nut jobs. And the other Emirates, such a Sharjah, aren’t much better. Only Bahrain and Qatar approach Dubai in “freedom”. Of course the oases a freedom in the Middle East are Israel, which the Arabs can’t/won’t visit, and Lebanon, which still is a bit dodgy.
Months? Is that what millenia is called nowadays?
Well, NetKim if you feel like backing out of the marriage at the last minute, you could try arguing over the wedding venue. I know of a Korean guy who called off marriage to a woman he was planning to marry because the two families couldn’t agree on the wedding hall!
Aijalon Mahli Gomes receives 8 years hard labor and a $700,000 fine
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/07/AR2010040701024.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-security/2010/0407/American-gets-8-years-labor-could-become-North-Korea-pawn-in-nuclear-talks
Will the North release him soon after they get something they want?
Americans walking into North Korea must realize they are actually helping the North to get things they want – because America will offer them something they want in order to release the American.
Wikileaks – has leaked a video showing the US military opening fire on a group of people in Iraq – in which they killed “two Reuters journalists” and small children – http://www.collateralmurder.com/
I would translate that as “Back-shooters Anonymous”. I guess they have stepped up from shooting women in the back to shooting entire ships from behind. Classy.
All in or nothing? That’s a fine way to go broke. Sure, I know of other ways, but sweet Job.
I knew I came to Itaewon for all the right reasons when I saw a well-dressed fellow peeing with his pants around his ankles and his hands splayed on the wall.
Solid entertainment. Also, all the Irish people. Honest to God I find it easier to talk like an Irishman than a Canuck. Thanks a lot, Quebec.
NetizenKim, i got empathy for your stress. Been there. I say, what PineForest says above is wisdom. Proceed if your heart wants to, but with explicit caution / hedge.
A mountain that hedges his bets? This is why blasphemy is the colour of the times.
It never changes with the seasons.
@50
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/6071/helicopterciviliansmurd.jpg
Craash, which would you rather criticize, an apache attacking an armed group that appeared to be aiming at the troops, or some shitheads who brought their children into a battle area to extract wounded and weapons?
Seriously, it was 2007, even the dumbest Iraqi would know by then that if there was some sort of strike, coalition troops would drop by within minutes to clean things up. The reporters where stupid to be running around with the enemy, and the children where body shields simply to be used as propaganda.
The only mistake that was made was not holding fire on the van and following it to the local vipers den.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2011578824_poland11.html
In other news, a drastic amount of top Polish officials died in an air crash.
Some of the officials that died were
President
First Lady
Previous President
Chief of staff
Head of National Bank
Head of National Security
Deputy Speaker
Deputy Foreign Minister
I know some Polish guys over at a forum I go to. This is a pretty huge thing.
“and the children were body shields simply to be used as propaganda”.
NOT
“and the children where body shields simply to be used as propaganda”.
apart from the grammar mistake – I understand your point.
But NetKim both families were able to agree later where to hold “his” funeral. Good luck!
Time out for news that 32% alcohol “beer” is coming to the U.S.
This is how they won me over (from TIME via Yahoo):
“A warning label on the Tactical Nuclear Penguin bottle does state: ‘This is an extremely strong beer; it should be enjoyed in small servings and with an air of aristocratic nonchalance. It is exactly the same manner you would enjoy a fine whisky, a Frank Zappa album or a visit from a friendly yet anxious ghost.’ “
Yes!
“Some alcohol watchdog groups aren’t laughing. The chief executive of Alcohol Focus Scotland, Jack Law …”
OK, stop right there. First we had Jack Straw, a name that resonates very affectionately with EVERY old Deadhead like me. Comes now a lawman (or would-be lawman) named … Jack Law? Really? I love England. I love the British Isles. What will they come up with next, names based on occupations, like Carpenter, Farmer, Forester, Tinker, and Taylor? [sigh]
Oh and by the way Craaash and Nix:
Enjoy the new reality. The truth is out. Shooting unsuspecting, unarmed, and (later) wounded men and children is just not cool. Not in my universe (or, if you search real deeply) in yours. This video will become the defining image of the Eye-Rack (don’t call it a) War (along with Abu Ghraib), just as the picture of the little napalmed girl and the guy getting a bullet in his brain remain the images of Vee-yet-nay-am. Suck on that, armchairs.
More seriously: Torture and murder are not what Americans do. It’s not who we are, as a people. That time has passed. Throw everything out.
WeikuBoy: The best part about the “defining images” you just named is that both are frequently mis-interpreted and used as anti-war images… Whether or not these pilots actually believed they were firing on hostiles will be forgotten or ignored. The point is that they come off as trigger-happy rednecks eager to shoot at whatever moves…
I would encourage everyone to read about the Viet Cong assassin who rightly deserved to get his head blown off: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguyen_Ngoc_Loan …and the little girl who survived her napalm burns and recently became a Canadian citizen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Phuc
“Whether or not these pilots actually believed they were firing on hostiles will be forgotten or ignored. The point is that they come off as trigger-happy rednecks eager to shoot at whatever moves…”
OMG, could you MISS the point any more completely? This is not a criminal trial about the intent of the pilots. And those guys have been absolved of wrongdoing, by the Army at least. This is about America. Ambushing (like the most cowardly bushwackers in the Old West) a bunch of unsuspecting and unarmed folks, wounded men, children.
This is about America. America just lost.
#59 WeikuBoy
Thats what I was saying – the first time I watched the entire movie (not being American myself) I was shocked by the way – the trigger happy rednecked American just kept begging for permission to shoot.
And even after the guy was down and wounded they begged permission to shoot again.
and when the van pulled up to collect the bodies of the wounded and killed they begged permission to shoot again.
I couldn’t understand it.
Why were these guys so eager to shoot and shoot and shoot.
Then I watched the video 2 more times.
I did see the guy with the mp3 – hiding around the corner – with the mp3 raised.
and I did see one or two of the guys carrying assault rifles.
still I would not have shot them – in a country like Iraq people are allowed to carry guns.
But, those american soldiers “chose” to shoot them all, and joke about it.
that it sick.
and they killed 2 journalists and injured young children.
that is more sick.
sure I remember the “napalmed girl” from vietnam
- and what the american soldiers are doing in Iraq is the same.
no wonder so many of them finish their service, return to the USA and either (1) have severe Psychological problems or (2) commit suicide
even they can’t live with what they did.
I just say – put an end to it all – get out of Iraq! (It’s finished there – North Korean peasants need rescuing – why not rescue them)
I knew a judge named “Lawless”.
How poor is Korean TV Reporting?
I just watched KBS and they covered two topics that The Marmot’s Hole covered one to two months back:
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2010/02/13/south-korean-credit-cards-are-vulnerable-to-hacking/
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2010/03/03/hm-comes-to-korea/
Apparently more local ATMs have been turning up with card skimmers on them which means Korean banks and consumers are in for some trouble.
@ 62 Craash.
Awesome comment.
I am rather appalled at the lack of BASIC understanding of war shown by certain anti-American posters here–who seem to think the enemy is allowed to shoot first and is only to be considered an enemy while actively shooting (i.e., the lower their guns and they’re just a civilian again).
Talk about loopy!
READ THE @#$% PROCEEDINGS OF THE HAGUE AND GENEVA CONVENTIONS.
Those who fight contrary to the Rules of War are not protected by them.
Let me repeat. Those who fight contrary to the Rules of War are not protected by them.
And if the those children were brought into a firefight, whose fault is that? Should our soldiers stop shooting back?
YOU may be willing to surrender to Taliban sharia more readily you are willing to hear a political figure mention the church gis family attends; but thankfully we still have brave young men and women shedding their blood to defend your right to dishonor them and the others before them who died so you could be free.
Shame on you!
If you want to make sure our wars are fought in a clean, sterile environment, why not enlist with the forces of al Qaeda that you apparently idolize. Maybe we’ll see you on the next WikiLeak video?
Did someone say Geneva Conventions?
[cough: Gitmo]
Please. You’re fighting WWII. This isn’t WWII. Don’t make me laugh.
“And if the those children were brought into a firefight, whose fault is that? Should our soldiers stop shooting back?”
What firefight? Shooting back? Who was shooting at the U.S. forces?
You’re delusional.
“YOU may be willing to surrender to Taliban sharia more readily …”
Now this is about the Taliban? You do realize the Taliban is in Pakistan and/or Afghanistan, and this video is from Iraq, right? Please tell me you have at least that much rudimentary understanding, eh Armchair?
Good Lord, seven years in, and jingo wannabes like you still have no idea what we’re really up against. How pathetic.
..and the curmugdgeon just borked his html tags.
Brendon, could you sit next to Sperwer each time he posts, please?
How to survive a knife fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFr30p0aZl0
sanshinseon,
One cannot hedge everything in life. If he continues, then he has not lived at all. Never committing fully. No gusto. Just passers-by.
I have fully committed my life to Christ. And, I never hedge. There is something one should not hedge.
I was also all-in for my ex. There, I should have hedged. However, my ex was a master of deception. She suddenly turned on me. Very sudden. I got ambushed.
If I retrace my episode now, however, I am still content that I had given my 100%. I had kept my side of the bargain. It was she who renegged. I can be proud of my actions, while she cannot.
Life is short. And, I believe, we should give account of our actions before the Creator soon. I can answer for my behavior.
And, that makes me feel better.
For all you iPad owners, the iMaxi iPad.
You know…the very idea that there are rules in war has always been
sort of stupid. Just think about what war really means. To me,
it’s to kill, defeat, destroy the enemy. That means instilling terror, fear,
and utter destruction until they surrender and possibly even if they surrender.
Terrorism is just one aspect of war. If you civilize war, then is it still war?
It’s like a playground fight….your allowed to beat them up, push, shove,
etc but there’s a line you just don’t cross. Today’s wars are like that.
I don’t think people like the vikings cared much for crap like the Geneva
convention or were concerned with war crimes……unless they wanted a ransom
Not really. You can still aim to kill, defeat, destroy the enemy, but abide by basic principles, such as humane treatment of POWs. Honorable conduct on the battlefield is as old as war itself. I’m sure there are a hell of a lot of ex-prisoners who don’t share your view that the Geneva convention is “crap”, either.
Of course, not all sides play fair, but there’s no harm in establishing some tenets for nations to aim for.
I’ll give you an example of how two combatants, with the absolute aim of destroying each other, can still behave with humanity and dignity.
In WW1 at Gallipoli, Australian troops landed with the aim of breaking through Turkish defences and pushing inland. They landed in the wrong place and got pinned down for months, fighting a terrible trench war against the Turks. But after every firefight, every failed charge at the enemy trenches, they’d wave a flag, and the soldiers would climb over the parapets, meet and swap cigarettes, then carry their dead and wounded back to their own trenches. A short time later they’d be killing each other again.
Largely because of the respect they had for each other, Turkey and Australia actually mourn together, and when they met again in Korea (on the the same side), they held joint ceremonies of remembrance. Turkey set up a memorial at Gallipoli for Australians.
Which all begs the question: which is stranger, humanity in the midst of war, or war itself?
hoju saram: I must say that I have long found the Australian-Turkish post WWI relations quite interesting. I wonder to what extent that has to do with the fact that the ancien regime (Ottoman) collapsted, to be replaced by Kemal Ataturk and his secular regime – I suspect it has a great deal to do with it.
I will never forget standing at the Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne one ANZAC Day and hearing an RSL veteran read that text that Ataturk wrote dedicated to the ANZACs. Rarely have such magnanimous words been written about enemy soldiers:
Could you imagine Kim Il Sung writing such about the UN soldiers who died in North Korea?
As for rules of war, consider that both sides can have shared interests, even in the midst of fighting – like avoiding escalation to nuclear exchange, for instance, which is why the US didn’t bomb China during the Korean War – why the US fought the Soviets in Afghanistan through the Mujahadeen, and Soviets fought the US in Vietnam through the VietCong.
In olden days, the ‘pitched battle’ was common – there were rules to each battle that both sides agree on, like fighting on level fields in prearranged locations and only using certain types of weaponry. And civilians usually weren’t attacked. All that stuff about chivalry and knights.
Even wild animals have evolved rules to conflict – like when bucks are fighting to mate with the female deers. It’s to no one’s advantage for the bucks to all kill one another in competition. So, usually the one’s with smaller antlers walk away.
Alot of factors can influence whether there will be rules to war or not – the fewer number of major players can make it easier to agree on rules , whether one side can assure future dominance or not, whether or not they have many shared interests.
Hamel,
I also think that had Australia won at Gallipoli, the Turks may not have been so magnanimous in the aftermath. The fact that we lost, yet still hold the Turks in high esteem, may have to do with a couple of things:
1. Respect for a tough opponent. After all, the ANZACs went to Europe thinking the war would be a walk in the park – remember they called WW1 ‘the big picnic’. In the Turks they found a worthy opponent, not just in battle, but in the interludes. (The Turks are also widely considered the best infantrymen in the Korean War.)
2. The fact that we attacked them, and not the other way round. Both the Turks and the Australians believed themselves pawns of the greater powers, and regarded the war – particularly in its aftermath – as an unnecessary waste of life. It’s hard to hate an enemy that suffers as much as you do, for a cause they understand as little.
2. A perverse habit of celebrating defeat instead of victory. Whereas America remembers its triumphs (Iwa Jima, D-day etc), we tend to overlook ours in favor of tragedy. If you look at WW1, Australia won a hell of a lot of battles. Mont St Quentin, Villers-Bretonneux (where the Australian flag still flies, and the French have written “N’oublions jamais l’Australie” – never forget Australia), Gibraltar and Bullecourt, Palestine and Bersheeba (the last great cavalry charge of history) …then there are the successful battles in Korea, Vietnam, WW2…but how many Australians can name them? Instead we remember Kokoda, Gallipoli — places where we failed. Even Tobruk was no victory.
The brits do the same thing (Dunkirk, for example). I think it has something to do with the romance of disaster and defeat. What is more emotive, a song of glory and triumph, or a dirge of tragedy, like this?
Koreans also celebrate tragedy. The very idea of Han is a sort of deep, abiding sorrow. Arirang, perhaps the most famous of Korea’s traditional songs, is bitterly sad. And how often have you heard Koreans talking about their triumphs in the Korean War? (This may have to do with the fact that they were fighting their own people – the caveat being that they do, in fact, celebrate their victories over the Japanese). Instead its all mournful loss and disaster. I think Koreans share the same idea of sadness being somehow beautiful and romantic.
hoju: your dirge link didnt work out, cobber.
there may be something to what you say.
I recall standing there, watching the parade, and my academic friend said to me that ANZAC Day parades are the ersatz public displays of religion in Australia (apart from sport). He likened them to the Corpus Christi processions in Spain, etc.
oops
Or, more to the point, the Glosters stand on the Imjin.
The interesting thing about this trope, though, is that it is a kind of counterpoint to triumphalist nationalist celebrations that focuses instead on the plight of individuals, who are almost always losers in war, one way or another. And in that respect there are just as many exemplars in the American canon as anywhere else, perhaps the ur-text being Stephen Crane’s Red Badge of Courage.
This has evolved into one of the best threads ever.
Fascinating stuff about Australia and Australia & Turkiye.
“America remembers its triumphs (Iwo Jima, D-day etc.) …”
That’s because we HAVE no defeats.
Of course I’m joking. Pearl Harbor Day is/was at least as big as D-Day; and D-Day itself was more like a terrible first step on the road to victory.
The Americans who most remember our Civil War are the Southerners whose ancestors lost it. Pickett’s Charge at Gettysburg (really more of a slow walk into withering fire, presaging by 50 years the mechanized slaughter of WWI) is the focus of their misguided
treason in defense of slaveryromanticism. And of course 9/11 will ere be remembered by those of us who lived through that surreal day.The best war book ever is still All Quiet on the Western Front.
Written (in case anyone doesn’t know) by a German.
Carry on.
I forgot the Korean angle!
For Americans who know enough about the Korean War to be able to name one (and only one) event, it will inevitably be Chosin Reservoir.
I think that depends on whether one in fact had ancestors who fought. There probably are equally few today who have on both sides of the Mason-Dixon Line – although the War Between the States probably still is more of a general living cultural memory in the South (for good or ill).
here is a song from 1973 that makes everybody victims of the colonial slaughter of American aborigines.
Forgot to mention above, about that song,
[Source: Wikipedia]
Interesting that one group made the song about death and failure in one place, only for it to become more popular in another place!
I’m fully awake now
(and not just phoning it in from groggy after dream land)
Sperwer, will we see you tomorrow at the RAS lecture? I have been too afraid to go up and introduce myself, given your somewhat strident (violent?) comments sometimes, but given your smily emoticon above, I am almost game to chance it.
Hoju_saram: thanks for the Band Played Waltzing Matilda. It is enough to bring a tear to my eye at least. I remember we sang this at school once, but that Irishman does a much better rendition of it than our young throats could.
Do you remember this one from 1983? It’s a chiller too, especially (for me) the line about the channel 7 chopper.
And of course there was Khe Sanh, but that was less about the battle itself than the wrecked, aimless life of a veteran after ‘Nam. I used to joke that Khe Sanh was once the unofficial Aussie national anthem. I swear that boys of my generation knew its lyrics better than Advance Australia Fair. But now a new generation has come up who don’t know it.
Hamel: Now that you’ve brought it to my attention, I think I will.
Don’t worry, my bite is much worse than my bark; but it takes a LOT more to provoke (nowadays, at least), unless you’re a Seoul taxi or bus driver [Current box score: Sperwer 10: Taxi/Bus ajosshis 0]. And I’m verbally actually fairly mild in the flesh.
Hamel,
Yeah, Khe Sanh is defiantely old school these days. BTW, is it just me, or is your link weird? It looks like it should be ok, but when i put my mouse over it I can’t click – in both chrome and firefox.
Anyone else?
“He believes immigration reform is a crucial component not only in reviving our economy, but also in creating a North American community, similar to the European Union.
It’s not a new idea – former Mexican President Vicente Fox mentioned the idea of a free flow of labor and trade on a visit to Dallas in 2000. And the U.S. Council on Foreign Relations issued a trinational report in 2005 in which it proposed the creation of a North American community involving the U.S., Mexico and Canada for enhanced security and prosperity.
Castañeda’s vision for this broader relationship goes beyond the North American Free Trade Agreement and involves a free flow of labor and energy, security provisions, integration of currencies, and greater social cohesion.
“NAFTA has run out of steam, and it is not generating jobs in Mexico,” he said. “The U.S. and Mexico are further apart in economic development today, and the gap is getting bigger. We cannot leave it to the market alone to solve our issues.”
The relationship with Mexico is a lot deeper already than many realize. Castañeda has noted that one in nine Mexicans lives in the U.S. today, and therefore suggests that Mexico can no longer be viewed solely as a Latin American country.
Roger Meiners, an economics and law professor at UTA, said the U.S. and Mexico have been actively talking about a follow-up to NAFTA for years. Former President George W. Bush and Fox were in talks shortly before 9/11, when everything was derailed.
But “opening up the borders for more trade makes sense,” Castañeda said. “Increased economic activity would benefit the U.S., and all levels of income would rise, on both sides of the border.”
It would be to our advantage to expand NAFTA, he said.
“You don’t want an unstable country on your border.”"
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/localnews/columnists/molivera/stories/DN-olivera_10met.ART.State.Edition1.4cd41a6.html
Haha. How karmic that I should “bork” an html tag after taking Sperwer and you to task for same. (I dont know how to add smily emoticons so Sperwer is one ahead of me.)
Let’s try again. Turnabout is fair play!
Sperwer, if you don’t run out directly after the lecture like you usually do, I will extend the right hand of friendship and ask you to join me and a Harvard professor of landscape architecture for a drink, if that should interest you.
Deal.
BTW thanks for Redgum; didn’t know the RAR BIA had their own AA songs like this. Sort of like the Herd version vid, though.
Could we send NORTH KOREA back to Russia?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/12/earlyshow/main6387514.shtml?tag=strip
Found this clip of the newest addition to the Yankee bullpen.
Oh, Chan Ho
A foreign coworker and I got a good laugh yesterday morning.
Every morning, the company broadcasts their propaganda for about 10 or 15 minutes to tell us how to think and how to be great employees (and to buy cellphones from OUR company, NOT Apple). Mondays are special… the broadcast is in English, so only myself and my Russian sidekick pay passing attention. The broadcasts are occasionally geared towards the foreign employees, and discuss issues faced by us.
Yesterday was the second part in a series about loneliness of, and communication problems with foreign employees. They presented a couple of survey results of Korean employees. One of my favorite was:
When do you have a difficult time communicating in English with foreign colleagues? The results were:
44% – When discussing serious topics during meetings
41% – “When trying to explain something that only Koreans could understand”
11% – When speaking to a foreign colleague in front of a Korean who speaks English well
4% – When foreigner can’t understand English well
I guess that the 41% must be trying to explain Korean exceptionalism to the foreign employees, because yeah, it’s probably the only thing that we foreign employees certainly can’t understand, no matter how clearly it might be explained.
Anyway, it’s good to know that the notion of Korean Exceptionalism is alive and well even amongst the country’s “Number One Company.”
Several months ago, I griped about how my beloved employer was giving me the shaft in some regards on my housing. As a result, I got some sympathy and likely left the image of said employer a bit maligned. It’s only fair of me now to report that the problem was resolved to my satisfaction. It took drastically more lobbying and caused much more frustration than it ever should have, but in the end they took care of me. Good on them, for finally keeping their word.
Speaking of my beloved employer, here’s another story.
The entire Group decided that too many people were not using all of their vacation days, and that paying for the unused vacation days was too expensive. Also, there was some confusion amongst employees under what circumstances they should or should not get paid for unused vacation. To “solve” these “problems,” they just ELIMINATED week or more vacation away from everyone at the beginning of the year (March), effective immediately for 2010, and paid people for 4 years of the same number of unused days. Poof… vacation gone.
Suddenly I realized why labor unions aren’t always a bad thing, and also why the powers-that-be police the employees sufficiently that no union can form.
How they will handle foreign engineers under this policy is still being determined, though it is certain that we will eventually lose the vacation days as well. I currently stand to lose 8 days. Just when I thought I was done battling with them just to maintain the status quo… they pull me back in.
Hey, why are people just ASSUMING that Phil Mickelson doesn’t cheat on his wife? Do these people not know that men are dogs?
I’m with JW. Never trust a lefty.
Hey cmm, a bunch of my VEIEX money is invested in your company. If some shit’s gonna fly, I need some advance notice. Aight? Aight. Thanks man.
JW – The only things flying around here that you need to know about is products and out the door! Times are good… at the moment.
Come on J-dubs, You aren’t supposed to be paying attention to the details of your mutual funds anyway. Just buy them, forget about them for several years until you need them, and in the meantime, trust the guys on Wall Street who are managing your money for you. That’s how the sales pitch goes/went, right?
Yeah i really need to lay off the yahoo finance site. I think they get about 500 hits from me every fucking day. It’s getting a little ridiculous…
Awkwardly worded, perhaps, but I believe it is fair to say that there are certain topics of discussion that Korean speakers (speaking in Korean) could use a sort of shorthand to describe, whereas when speaking to non-Koreans (who might not be familiar with the subject or the subject’s cultural background), much more exposition would be required that would have been unnecessary had the conversation been in Korean.
For example, if they were discussing the turns and twists of the latest popular historical drama. Or bearing the “ham” prior to a wedding. Or participation in a “kye”. And so forth.
Granted, many foreigners have lived in Korea long enough to understand Korean culture, but how can the Korean speaking to them be sure which things are familiar to the non-Korean, and which are not?
I hope you’re not visiting to read (or contribute) to the message boards there, because then you are wasting your time.
Me, I think this is more troublesome. And I have seen it time and time and time again.
Hey, Wangkon, you may want to cover this in your next post on “cars”:
http://www.fnnews.com/view?ra=Sent0601m_View&corp=fnnews&arcid=0921953666&cDateYear=2010&cDateMonth=04&cDateDay=12
“4% – When foreigner can’t understand English well”
I’m sorry, but this is at least as funny as the one about trying to explain something that only Koreans would understand.
Korean employee: “I asked them, ‘cheeja peecha set-uh?’ several times but those American customers are just too dumb to understand English!”
@dogbertt 106:
That’s the wording the native speaking Korean host used, though who knows how the original question was worded in Korean.
@dogbertt 108:
The whole shy/embarassed thing annoys me too, but I can understand… our colleagues are highly educated, and have built their reputations on being smart, competitively smart. Speaking embarassingly bad English in front of a Korean coworker who is also well educated but for whatever not so important reasons would make such a person self-conscious I suppose.
That’s perhaps part of the reason why I stick to English at work. I can get by in several situations in Korean, but at the point I can’t, I would feel stupid/insufficient. So, I just avoid that road pretty much all together.
I’m not so sure that the company is screwing anybody — at least not in respect of this annual-leave issue. Check Arts. 59 and 59-2 of the Labor Standards Act.
The Labor Standards Act has always had a “use it or lose it” provision, but historically the Supreme Court adopted an interpretation that was the opposite of what was plainly written in the statute — this is why employers had to allow limitless “banking” of leave and payment for unused leave balances.
The National Assembly amended the LSA in September 2003 to reinforce the use it or lose it principle, and expressly provided in Art. 59-2 for a system to warn employees of pending leave expiration before the leave is lost. The law phased in application of this method from 2004 to 2011; your company’s got more than 1000 employees so this leave-expiration policy should have become effective from July 1, 2004.
Seems to me payment of four years’ additional leave is over and above what’s required of the company. For example, even if the company were wrong in its past practice, wage claims (which include claims for unused leave) are subject to a three (3)-year time bar.
There’s a really interesting story somewhere in the Korean-language press today about GM-Daewoo being subject to a 1000-worker, W70 billion group action demanding some sort of back wage, which I think was annual leave but which may have been severance pay. Anyway, I should look for that again, maybe for my own blog.
I ain’t a genius, but I know that much. But tracking prices and relevant macro news every 2 minutes has become a sort of obsessive “hobby” of mine, if you will.
Anybody check out the Yankees’ Park Chan Ho’s comments with a reporter that made the Jimmy Kimmel show? Very funny.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/video/chan-ho-park-diarrhea-10359249
Charlie Rose interviewed James Chanos last night. I recommend you check it out on his web site because what he has to say may affect us all. James Chanos is the fella who became famous for predicting Enron’s collapse. More recently, he made big news when the New York Times reported that he was shorting China.
This book looks interesting:
http://fsi.stanford.edu/events/koreans_as_japanese_soldiers_reflections_on_inclusionary_racism_in_wwii/
I am looking forward to a scholarly study on the matter.
This… is hilarious:
http://www.roketship.com/
My personal favorites:
http://28.media.tumblr.com/mdKdFSI1jik23ce8H4P4qfCVo1_500.jpg
http://30.media.tumblr.com/mdKdFSI1jemxg1olgIFkXrOlo1_500.jpg
http://26.media.tumblr.com/mdKdFSI1jkggm8r0MosV3Tayo1_500.jpg
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kri0c5yFSM1qzof4ro1_500.jpg
Why I’ll never vote for another Democrat again: Median household income in America, US$50,893; total state and Federal government spending per household, US$47,000. But good news: Only $31,088 of that is Federal spending, and Congress is borrowing 42% of that money anyway. Don’t worry! Your grandchildren will pay for it all. Or we can pay it all back with Weimar greenbacks after the collapse.
One of the myriad detestable things about Barack Obama is that, having taken over the wheel of a bus careening toward the edge of a cliff, instead of doing anything — anything! — to arrest the advance of the bus, ol’ leadfoot Barack has stepped on the gas despite his promises to the contrary during the election.
Floor it! he now says. He tells the passengers if he accelerates enough toward the cliff, somehow the laws of gravity will be repealed and he can fly the bus across the chasm. That never worked for Wile E. Coyote and it won’t work for America. Personally, I think this driver Barack may be mad and is trying to kill us all.
Many Republicans aren’t doing us any favors either. This is why I favor the insurgents within the Republican Party — the Michele Bachmanns, the Paul Ryans, and yes, the Sarah Palins. I will support any candidate who tells me Sorry, they stole your Social Security and it’s all gone. I know it already — just tell me the truth and let’s face it together!
America must find a way to roll back the entitlement state or the Republic is surely finished. And Korea, with its still-nascent entitlement state, has a chance to see the unraveling and to avoid repeating our mistakes.
Brendon,
Arts. 59 and 59-2 of the Labor Standards Act sound really interesting. Do they actually explain that if the dude sitting next to me prefers to come to the office to surf the internet a few extra days in order to get a payout for his vacation (or in some cases is coerced by management not to use all of his vacation), then the guy sitting on the other side of me and I, who tresasure and use all of our vacation days, can suddenly have our vacation taken away from us from now until eternity?
cmm — Why don’t you do your own research instead of expecting me to respond to your snark?
Thanks for the heads up, WangKon. Having just finished Ken Kawashima’s study of migrant Korean labor in Japan during the pre-war colonial period, Suzuki-Morris’ account of the probelmatic repatriation of Zainichi to NK, and Park Hyun-Ok’s book on Koreans in colonial Manchuria, I’m looking forward to getting my hands on this.
Indeed. Fortunately many of these are low frequency events for most of the foreigner. The one the watch out for the foreigner is “shipbujae”, and its more evil cousin “ebujae”.
Sperwer,
You’re in luck! This English language book on the Zainichi is available online for free:
http://escholarship.org/uc/item/7qr1c5x7
Thanks again, WangKon! I’ve actually read a library copy of Lie’s book and was able to meet and discuss it with him when he was in Korea in, I think it was, the Spring of 2009, when he gave a pro-seminar at Kodae. Nice to know I can get a reference copy for my own library w/out having to pay for a change.
brendon – No snark here. You trotted out Arts. 59 and 59-2 of the Labor Standards Act, talked about Supreme Court interpretations, recent amendments, etc., and in effect presented yourself as an authority on the topic. So I was simply looking for clarification about what you were saying and what it has to do with what I was talking about. Given your apparent mastery of the topic, surely your interpretation would be much more efficient and spot on than me doing research on my own.
OK you’re right I’m being snarky.
cmm — The short answer is yes, collective terms and conditions of employment apply equally to you and your buddy as they apply to the Starcraft ranger.
@Brendon #117
CNN’s Situation Room this morning had a yahoo (pre-tube definition) from Oklahoma whining about federal spending. His solution: Guns! He says a new state militia will protect Oklahomans from federal spending.
You can’t make this stuff up.
He cited bailouts, stimulus packages, and “Obamacare” but of course did not mention two unnecessary wars or military spending and like Brendon first discovered the issue only with Barry Hussein Obama X’s election.
CNN goes well out of its way to find such people where it can, or to otherwise distort or misrepresent events in order to shape perceptions. CNN is not a reliable source at all.
Here’s CNN on a Sarah Palin-headlined Tea Party rally in Searchlight, Nevada: “Hundreds of people, at least dozens”, giving the impression of a modest turnout for a disregarded fringe figure. Luckily there are some aerial photos of the actual turnout. Dozens? A thousand dozen, perhaps two, in a town with a population less than 1000, with traffic backed up for miles and miles as people hike down a desert highway to get to the rally. (Meanwhile, the liberal “Coffee Party” counter-gatherings don’t seem to have much trouble getting friendly coverage.)
How does a thinking person reconcile the description from CNN with the actual event? And knowing how CNN lies and distorts even the most mundane details, how can anyone uncritically accept sensational reports from CNN or other media sources that the Tea Party is full of racists and other yahoos? Especially when one is confronted with directly contradictory information like the nice Idaho Tea Party lady’s appearance on Letterman, or blog reports from black reporters attending Tea Party rallies looking for the racist angle who are surprised at the friendliness and kindness of the “racist” mob. (They are, after all, comprised of a broad cross-section of America, and fully 40% of Tea Partiers self-identify as Democrats or independent voters.) Doubly so when we know that the Left’s agents provocateurs are now actively infiltrating these rallies.
America’s mainstream media lies, straight up. Our journalists have abandoned the function of being a check on state power, and have voluntarily adopted the supine posture of Pravda and Izvestiya of old to serve the interest of the Party and the One. “Fake but accurate” is just okay with them, but not with me. No, thanks, to the Situation Room; I’ll pass.
I want New Jersey’s fat Republican governor as my President in 2012.
Thanks, Brendon. But, I’m not through fighting these turkeys.
And we wonder what keeps the Birthers so interested in their seemingly-quixotic pursuit…
Hot news among the conspiracy set! Apparently, the current Kenyan Minister for Lands on March 25, 2010 made an official statement, a throwaway reference in a parliamentary debate, to the effect that Barack Obama was born in Kenya as the Birthers allege:
Obama’s background is in fact shrouded in mystery and he’s expended considerable resources and effort toward keeping it that way. For example, we know nothing of his performance at Occidental College, Columbia University, or Harvard Law School other than his election to the law review presidency. (By contrast, American voters know from the 2004 election that both George W. Bush and John Kerry were “C” students at Yale, with Bush’s grades slightly better.) Obama’s birth certificate remains quite well-hidden.
I wish the guy would come clean and clear up these inquiries. I, for one, have doubts whether he was in fact born in the United States (if he was, why keep everything cloudy), and don’t know whether that would have had any effect on the transmission of citizenship from his mother under US nationality law as it existed in 1961 when he was born. My kids are also born overseas to a single US citizen parent, and under current law they are “natural born citizens”. But shouldn’t we have a right to know about Obama?
This is because he was involved in secret activity:
Obama was a C.I.A. operative while at Columbia University: Trial will be held at Harlem Church 14-19 MAY 2010
Or maybe he was visiting his home planet of Krypton. Either way, I’m curious.
Garbage in, garbage out again Abu?
So, are you saying that trials in the Dar al-Harb – indeed, that the opinions of those who Muslims would profess to be harbi – have merit?
I say we force Baduk and Abu into a cage and see which one comes out. I bet on Baduk. He’s got lucky charms.
OMFG, Brendon is a birther. (!) That explains so much.
“America’s mainstream media lies, straight up. Journalists have abandoned the function of being a check on state power, and have voluntarily adopted the supine posture of Pravda and Izvestiya of old to serve the interest of the [White House occupants]. “Fake but accurate” is just okay with them, …”
I agree with you. Provided you agree that the same was true during eight long years when Bush-Cheney controlled the state power. “Journalists” sell their credibility (and their souls) in exchange for access. And because of that the U.S. (excuse me, “coalition”) is now bogged down in not one but two unwinnable yet expensive (and unpaid-for) wars that the media as the full complicitors of the neo-cons sold to the American people.
Per 115, that Chanos is very interesting. If China tanks — which I hope it does and have the impression that it could happen from what I read — North Korea will most likely collapse completely, shortly thereafter.
I will probably end up raising cabbage but I would put up with that just to see the end to such evil.
#115
When Chanos talks of a bubble, he is specifically referring to the commercial real estate and upscale condo market in cities such as Beijing or Shanghai. Many people, including him, are assuming that this bubble will snowball into a US-style housing bubble collapse similar to what happened in late 2008, affecting not just housing but the banks and the entire economy.
I disagree. Primary reason being that the US financial institutions were taking hundreds of thousands of sub-prime mortgages, re-packaging them into derivatives. Because so many of the big banks were holding large sums of these derivatives, what Warren Buffet called “financial weapons of mass destruction”, it was guaranteed right from the beginning that if things went south, the too-big-to-fail banks would implode and suck everything along with it, causing ripple effects across the entire economy. None of this is happening in China.
Also, Chanos was disingenuous during his interview with Charlie Rose. He discussed the core of the problem, which are empty upscale condos and commercial real estate space. Then he goes on to say “50-60% of China’s GDP is construction”. The way he says it, he wants you to think 50-60% of China’s GDP is being spent on such empty real estate. Wrong.
Furthermore, Chanos himself admitted that he’s mostly working off statistics from Chinese sources, not independent sources. That means he doesn’t have a thorough, comprehensive boots-on-the-ground picture of what’s going on in China. He sees some flashy high-rises going up in the rich, coastal cities and extrapolates that to the entire country.
Let me be clear: I’m not a “Birther”. I’m sure the man is a United States citizen, by virtue of the fact that one parent was a citizen at the time of his birth wherever that took place. My own children born in Seoul are citizens; why wouldn’t the similarly-born Barack Obama be a citizen? So I’m not invested in the weird fantasy that somehow we can “disqualify” him and nullify the election.
However, the guy is clearly hiding something (more likely, a lot of somethings), and inquiring minds want to know. Given that his own African grandmother declares he was born in Kenya, and it seems to be accepted fact over there, it is curious why Obama would work so hard to keep the question open. Is it rope-a-dope? Who knows.
Ummmmmmmmmmmmm, cuz it’s not worth responding to? 딩동댕 !
Can we talk about Hyundai and NASCAR? ‘Cause I really want to talk about Hyundai and NASCAR.
DLB
I CAN SMELL THE JOB MARKET COMING BACK ! Better economy doesn’t necessarily mean getting soft on financial regulation reform right? God I hope not…
DLB,
Mention it in the Hyundai Genesis Coupe thread and provide a link as well.
Under today’s laws, of course, that’s not a prima facie qualifier for citizenship.
It’s not? Ruh-roh.
“What are the rules for people born on or after November 14, 1986?
Children born abroad to two US citizen parents, one of whom has resided in the US prior to the birth of the child, continue to be US citizens at birth, and need take no special actions to retain citizenship.
Children born to one citizen parent and one foreign national will obtain citizenship at birth if the citizen parent resided in the US for five years before the birth, with two of those years after the age of 14. The child does not need to take any special action to retain US citizenship.”
http://www.visalaw.com/05jan1/2jan105.html
From the NYTimes, on who are the Teabagers:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/us/politics/15poll.html
When I read comments like this, I think that the American education system has failed, in spades.
Korea!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDN7Nx5J6No
Fuck! Yeah!!
Iris! Dubbed in Japanese… to be shown in Japanese prime time!
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTOE62T04520100415
Personally? I find the show barely watchable… it’s like a 12 year old girl wrote the script…
THIS…
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2010/04/123_64258.html
Is a Korean import that should stay OUT of the U.S.
remember, folks; you can watch ‘iris’ in the states for free and legally at dramafever.com . yes, ingoorishwi subtitles though i agree with wankon. watch ‘yi san’ or ‘kingdom of the wind’ instead. btw, ‘queen sondeok’ is good too.
Yes pawi… and it’s amplified by Kim Tae Hee’s “amazing” acting abilities!..
WangKon didn’t do a good job of selling his #150.
It’s about strict Korean-style hagwons in the U.S.
For me, the money shot is simply learning that the whole thing concerns preparing not for Korea’s soo-nung, but for the U.S.’ SAT!
(Do you think we should break it to the parents who are paying so much money that the SAT doesn’t reward rote memorization of useless crap? That beyond taking a few minutes to check out the format and getting a good night’s sleep, it’s not a test that can really be prepared for?)
Nah. They wouldn’t believe us, anyway.
From what I was told, Iris was made for the Japanese market to begin with. Pawi, thanks for the link to dramafever. I watched some episodes but the lack of subtitles led to a lack of understanding.
you’re welcome, cmm. please be advised that dramafever will only work for those in the states or canada. gangpe tried to get around that but found he couldn’t. best of luck.
“추노” is the Korean drama I enjoyed most recently. It has something for everyone.
“Iris” was not bad but the narrative completely fell apart the last few episodes. I don’t mind a certain degree of open-ended-ness but not a wholesale opacity. And yes, Miss Kim is a horrible actress, even among the stereo-typical actresses hired for their looks rather than acting aptitude.
i’ve heard good things about ‘chuno’. just fyi, dramafever has that one too. they also have ijjimae and jumong. again i really liked ‘yi san’ though i must say i like lee seo jin, lee sun jae, and kyon mi ri.
ps what kind of last name is ‘kyon’?
I had a buddy’s VPN login from Northwestern to get HULU there for awhile. Hopefully that still works.
spot on on miss kim there wjc. she sucks. the more tragic thing is that there are plenty of cuter girls who could have stunk up that roll instead of her.
Per “NK”s #138, consider this thread regarding construction cycles in China:
http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2010/04/10/china-the-brief-lives-of-chinese-buildings/
Maybe Chanos has some insight after all.
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