p.s. I also have a confession – I have been in Korea nine years without any type of Medical insurance..
It started nine years ago (2001) when I arrived in Korea and started working for an academy and they didn’t give me medical insurance.
In 2002 the next academy didn’t give it to me either.
I started working for the Public schools in 2003, however for the next couple of years they didn’t give me medical insurance either.
When I tried to get medical insurance (NHIC) a couple of years ago, my employer (Public school) told me I would have to pay 7 million won first as that has to be paid first to get the medical insurance.
Now in 2010, I have been told that to get NHIC I have to pay 10,000,000won first – due to having not had NHIC for the past 9 years.
Neither myself nor any new employer can afford to pay that – so I will just have to accept another position WITHOUT medical insurance.
Korea should change this law, in order to help people like me.
“SB LiMotive…. Hmmm why does that name sound familiar?
I’m a little surprised none of the other best and the brightest noticed this.
In the late 90’s GM owned controlling interest in the Battery Company that INVENTED the NiMH battery. Ovonic Battery ltd… Of course you can add the sale of this company to the long list of STUPID things that Wagoner did.
Ovonic Battery was sold to Texaco in 2000 and was flipped to Chevron when Texaco merged in 2001. In 2003 Chevron reorganized this firm into a company called Cobasys. And in July of 2009 Cobasys was sold to Yup, you guessed it… SB LiMotive
Thanks Rick! You sold off THE very firm that now we need to supply batteries for the Volt… I ask, could one CEO, be that unlucky? That stupid?”
So GM originally owned the battery company that was a pioneer in high density battery technology that could practically be put into cars then they sold it to an oil company and then the oil companies traded it around like a foster child until one finally sold it to the Koreans (and their German partners)? And now GM signs a contract to buy batteries from said company? Man… classic Detroit brain fart… epic epic EPIC fail.
I spent the money I should have set aside for taxes. I found out my tax this year should be about $150,000 and I can’t afford that and still keep my lifestyle. The law should be changed to help people like me.
I was born into poverty and have lived a wastrel’s life. I now stare impending old age in the face with nothing to show for my life and nothing to get me through the next 30 years. The government should force Brendon to give that 150,000 directly to me. In return, I swear I’ll waste no more money from now on.
I call BS on that Brendon… unless one of your clients was suing someone and won a big settlement… but that’s not a part of your normal, regular year salary.
WangKon: You are displaying your presumptuous ignorance, again. Any lawyer who has escaped the status of indentured associate – as Brendon has (very uncommonly for a round-eye in Korea) – has an income that is essentially transaction-based, whether he’s a litigator or not, and which will vary from year to year depending on the volume of transactions (and fixed overheads, of course). Brendon’s corporate transactional practice did very well last year.
Let’s not focus on the number. Let’s focus on the absurdity of the argument advanced by our friend craash, which is I had a legal obligation which I haven’t kept up on, and the arrears have accrued to the point that compliance would be a real drag. The government should do something for people like me.
Thing is, the government does do something for people like that. It’s called jail.
“I spent the money I should have set aside for taxes. I found out my tax this year should be about $150,000 and I can’t afford that and still keep my lifestyle. The law should be changed to help people like me.”
With the 16.5% cap on foreigner taxes in korea, WOW, or are you counting US extra-terratorial income tax too….
You or your employers – likely yes. I’m not sure about public employees, schools, universities etc, since I know their pension rules can differ, but generally NHIC is part of your payroll deductions which should be deducted at source from Employee’s salary by the Employer and you then get a National Health Number.
It’s difficult to think that you have been “off the books” for ten years cash in hand, with the employer’s pocketing you tax deductions, but if they’re not taking your NIC’s and passing them on to the GOV then they’re probably not been passing along your taxes either….
I spent the money I should have set aside for taxes. I found out my tax this year should be about $150,000[,000] and I can’t afford that and still keep my lifestyle. The law should be changed to help people like me.
I just opened my fridge and discovered I’m out of beer, but it’s a pain in the ass to take the elevator down to the convenience store. How could Korea allow this to happen? There should be convenience stores on every floor to help people like me.
I don’t quite understand why the suicide death of a japanese celebrity is currently the number 1 ranked out of all news articles on donga-ilbo. Utterly strange to me.
For the last nine years ALL of my Korean employers for positions I have taught in which the Immigration Office always gave me a “visa” to be employed at those schools – have always deducted 3.3% tax from my salary..
so I always paid my tax – (to my employer) – just never had medical insurance – which makes me BABO (a fool)
I’m not so sure about that — your comparison is gratuitous at best. Brendon sounds like a lawyer and writes like one too. O’Rourke, on the other hand — a guy who professes no expertise in anything — writes from the viewpoint of a bystander, an observer, a commentator, a satirist — the ultimate gonzo reporter. That being said, the way Brendon holds court on all things Asian reminds me more of another whitey gone native from several decades ago: Col. Walter E. Kurtz .
I was bit by this rule myself last year. I used to have a health insurance policy in the USA that covered me here in Korea, and because of my status, I was not legally required to participate in NHIC. But I lost that policy, and joined the NHIC. When I enrolled, I had to pay all the retroactive premiums back to the start of my current visa. I did feel that was a bit unfair, since I had not been breaking any rules and had been properly covered.
It seems to me there is a mismatch – that is, the enrollment poilcy doesn’t acknowledge that there are valid reasons one might not have paricipated in NHIC.
i hope robert will allow me this indulgence to reprint a review of chris beckwith’s ‘work’ on the kogurean language. though a wet dream to your average otaku, the man’s work isn’t well regarded. the review below is just one in many that see the same things. beckwith is a japnophile and his work on the kogurean language attests to that fact. rather ironic he uses korea’s oldest history book to tell koreans their history ain’t their history.
Koguryo, the Language of Japan’s Continental Relatives: An Introductionto the Historical-Comparative Study of the Japanese-Koguryoic Languages with a Preliminary Description of Archaic Northeastern Middle Chinese. By Christopher I. Beckwith. Brill’s Japanese Studies Library, vol. 21. Leiden: Brill, 2004. 274 pages.
This volume is an attempt to recover the ethnolinguistic history of the ancient Korean kingdom of Goguryeo/Koguryŏ (henceforth Koguryo), recently brought to the attention of the public by a politico-historical controversy. It focuses on the reconstruction of the Koguryo language and its relations to other languages, which will also be the main object of this review, but also encompasses connected subjects such as
Chinese historical phonology, the origins of the Japanese language and people, and the Altaic theory and even devotes a whole chapter to various broader linguistic issues. Beckwith proceeds in this volume to a philological investigation of the “Old Koguryo” (OKog) toponyms recorded in the twelfth-century Korean history Samguk sagi and also takes a look at the fragments of the “Archaic Koguryo” language (AKog) found in older Chinese chronicles. Interpreting these transcriptions in Chinese phonograms through his personal version of Chinese historical phonology, Beckwith gives then a reconstruction of the phonological system of his OKog, as well as 139 Koguryo words, out of which he identifies about a hundred cognates with Japanese. Beckwith concludes that the Koguryo and Japanese languages are genetically related, as already assumed by many scholars, but rejects the Korean and Altaic connections. Actually, Beckwith dismisses the Altaic theory as a whole, even the convergence theory, by denying the very existence of an Altaic typology. For Japanese, he rejects all forms of Altaic, Korean, Austronesian, and, of course, the mixed language theories. In his view, Japanese and Koguryo are in “an exclusive close genetic relationship” (p.183). Beckwith then tries to back up his theory with historical background and discusses atlength the history and the archeology of Northeast Asia. Arguing for lexical and typological similarities with the Sino-Tibetan languages, he hypothesizes about ancient contacts and concludes that the Proto-Japanese-Koguryoic homeland was located in Southern China or Southeastern Asia. The Japanese-Koguryoic speakers
would have migrated to the North, some of them remaining on the continent to form the Puyo-Koguryoic people in Manchuria and Korea, others moving by sea to Southern Korea and to the North of Kyūshū, where they became the ancestors of the Japanese people. Unfortunately, Beckwith’s ambitious work is heavily flawed in many aspects, of which I will provide only a few examples. First, I deplore the general opacity of his methodology, since most of his reconstructions are his own, quite different from the ones adopted in mainstream Chinese (Baxter 1992; Sagart 1999; Starostin 1989, 1998-2003) and Japanese (Martin 1987) historical phonology, and it is unclear how they were arrived at. His comparisons thus use reconstructions that are too often problematic,sometimes simply incorrect, or, worse, just circular. For instance, the mysterious Proto-Japanese (PJ) *mika ume ‘plum’ and *rmey > umi ‘sea’ (pp.146-47) are completely ad hoc. They are supported by neither internal nor comparative method, and such consonant clusters have never been posited for PJ. The Yaeyama form “mmi” quoted as evidence (p.147) cannot be found in Hirayama’s reference dictionary (1988:139-40; Yaeyama dialects forms are recent loans from mainland dialects since plums don’t grow there). Anyway, both words cannot be reconstructed with the same onset since umi doesn’t exhibit the m-/øalternation of mume/ume in Japanese, and both words have completely different Ryukyuan reflexes (Shuri ʔɴmi ‘plum’ vs. ʔumi ‘sea’). Their putative Chinese sources don’t exhibit an initial *r- in standard reconstructions either: ‘plum’ *mɨ (Baxter), *mǝ̄ (Starostin); ‘sea’ *hmɨʔ (Baxter), *smǝ̄ʔ (Starostin). Many words are also cut down into pseudo roots, although there is no internal evidence for a morphological boundary: the only argument for those segmentations seems to be that they make the comparisons look better. For example, the reduction of OJ naga ‘long’ to *na (p.133), taka ‘high’ to *ta (pp.136-137), or toporu ‘to pass through’ to to (p.137, oddly reconstructed as *təwŋ) and their comparison with OKogcannot be accepted without justification.
It seems that all the above “reconstructions” are motivated only by the urge to provide them with an etymology: external comparison is privileged in detriment of internal evidence. Other quite irregular correspondences and derivations can also be found, with irregular forms too easily dubbed as “dialectal”, and, for some of them, the author even confesses that “these phonological changes are almost completely unexplained” (p.149). Beckwith’s comparisons also include a significant number of cases with questionable or unrealistic semantics. I am thus not convinced that OKog *tśü ‘to shoot with a bow’ should be compared with OJ tobu (reduced ad hoc to *tö) ‘to fly’ despite Beckwith’s claim that simply “arrows fly” (p.140). The most puzzling comparison is found on p.143, where OKog *yatsi ‘mother’ is said to be cognate with OJ yatukwo ‘slave’. I also find unpersuasive the too-easy and too-quick dismissal of the non-Japonic etymologies for Koguryo words (Itabashi [2004] provides a much more thorough list of Altaic, Korean, and even Austronesian etymologies by various authors). Too quick is also the conclusion that the language underlying the toponyms represents the actual language of Koguryo and the rejection of opposite views. The exact nature of the source language of the place names remains problematic in spite of Beckwith’s arguments, and this has led some scholars to label it cautiously “pseudo-Koguryo”. In addition, many of the phonetic fonts are misprinted, and the mixing of IPA characters and conventional transcriptions can be in some cases confusing.
In conclusion, Beckwith’s book is a valuable attempt to have a new look at the Koguryo fragments, within the broader scale of a global ethnolinguistic study ofAncient Eastern Asia. Nevertheless, its too many methodological shortcomings forbid us to accept Beckwith’s reconstructions and conclusions, although it is quite clear thatsome of the Koguryo place names indeed represent in all likelihood a language related to Japanese that was once spoken in the center of the Korean peninsula.
REFERENCES
Baxter, William H. 1992. A Handbook of Old Chinese phonology. Berlin: Mouton de Gruyter.
Hirayama, Teruo. 1988. Minami Ryūkyū no hōgen kiso goi. Tokyo: Ōfūsha.
Itabashi, Yoshizō. 2004. “Kōkuri no chimei kara Kokurigo to Chōsengo/Nihongo to no shiteki
kankei wo saguru”. Nihongo keitoron no genzai [Perspectives on the Japanese language
origins], ed. Alexander Vovin and Osada Toshiki. Kyoto: International Center for
Japanese Studies. Pp. 131-84.
Martin, Samuel E. 1987. The Japanese Language through Time. New Haven: Yale University
Press.
Your saying Mr. Carr has “gone native” makes me think maybe we’re not even talking about the same person. Besides that, the Carr that hangs out here tends to limit himself to a few topics, not “all things Asia.”
I know it can get confusing, because people run around spelling his name so many different ways.
Then that would make sense. My comment did allude to that, if you didn’t notice.
Yeah, right, like most Koreans, the fall back claim of being “half-right”, when that’s not an option under the opening rules. Works if all you want to play is horseshoes (and maybe hand grenades, assuming your opponent is foolish enough to let you get close enough and not take you out with a targeted shot earlier)
for you folks in the us (only) who might be interested in looking at korean television shows legally and for free, i have a site for you listed after this post. the site actually does business with sbs, mbc, and now kbs. that’s why the feeds are high in quality and not broken up into 6 or 7 parts for any given hour of any given k-drama. the subs are excellent and the stream is almost always without break. many history dramas there. might i recommend ‘yi san’?
Re: craash, Mr. Carr et al.
I’m no expert in Korean law, but can an employee really be held responsible if an employer is taking out taxes/healthcare fees from the employee’s salary and spending it at the room salon? I only ask because this happened to me at my first job in Korea, and I’ve been told by many Koreans that this is prettymuch standard operating procedure among hagwons. I know the employer was breaking the law, but it never occurred to me that I could be as well.
Back in ’97 and ’98, the owners of the hagwons I worked at deducted money for taxes and medical insurance. I returned to Canada, then returned to Korea in 2000 and was given a medical insurance card -or folder) and was surprised – was this what I thought I had been paying for and never seen at the first places I worked at? It wasn’t much of a joke later, explaining to tax officials in Canada that I had paid taxes in Korea but couldn’t provide any receipt for that, either.
I love the still they use for the movie; it’s quite strong and intriguing.
A week ago, I stopped in a movie theatre in Atlanta and choked when I saw that one ticket was 15.50 USD! I think these kind of prices will encourage more bootlegging than all the bit torrent in the world.
I had a legal obligation which I haven’t kept up on
-How would he have enrolled himself on the NHIC scheme if his employers refused to sponsor him and pay their share? I think this is a way for employers to save money that demonstrates a total contempt for the lives of their employees. You are blaming someone for being exploited. Rather than using your talents to criticize him, why don’t you do something about the legal loopholes that allow this sort of abuse to continue? I am sure that craash wanted health insurance and would have been willing to pay it, but continued to work for people that refused to contribute to his medical plan. In other words, the failure to keep up with the legal obligation is not his but of his former employers. Why blame him? I think it is offensive that this kind of behaviour is tolerated in Korea in this day and age. Koreans would not stand for being denied health care, why should their foreign employees?
And craash, you paid the 3.3% income tax but your healthcare premiums would have been above and beyond that; they were about W20-25,000 a month on a teacher’s salary, if I recall correctly.
Pawi to answer another question in another post, we watch KOrean tv online as much as possible, i was looking to see if it’s available on some Astra or Eutelsat
Also i’ll try some ip hider like Hotspot Shield to see if the website works, where there’s a wille there’s a way !!
Thank you for your post on Beckwith. I’ve been meaning to read that book but haven’t got around to it. I did not know that he is a Japanophile. I had heard that he was a big fan of the steppe pastoralists, who are the topic of his most recent book “Empires of the Silk Road: A History of Central Eurasia from the Bronze Age to the Present” which is supposed to be excellent.
Peter Turchin is a population biologist and historian who has pioneered a new field he calls “cliodynamics” that uses mathematical modeling and statistical analysis to study history.
He has written a couple of good history books but I mention him because he recently wrote a paper along with Murray Gell-Mann, the Nobel winning physicist, on the Altaic hypothesis. They use a statistical method that they argue shows that the Altaic hypothesis is valid.
Analyzing Genetic Connections between Languages by Matching Consonant Classes by Peter Turchin, Ilia Peiros, and Murray Gell-Mann
The idea that the Turkic, Mongolian, Tungusic, Korean, and Japanese languages are genetically related (the “Altaic hypothesis”) remains controversial within the linguistic community. In an effort to resolve such controversies, we propose a simple approach to analyzing genetic connections between languages. The Consonant Class Matching (CCM) method uses strict phonological identification and permits no changes in meanings. This allows us to estimate the probability that the observed similarities between a pair (or more) of languages occurred by chance alone. The CCM procedure yields reliable statistical inferences about historical connections between languages: it classifies languages correctly for well-known families (Indo-European and Semitic) and does not appear to yield false positives. The quantitative patterns of similarity that we document for languages within the Altaic family are similar to those in the non-controversial Indo-European family. Thus, if the Indo-European family is accepted as real, the same conclusion should also apply to the Altaic family.
For those who feel they are somehow burdened by being without national medical coverage, consider that such coverage really only helps out when handling basic medical problems. More serious problems, or even tests to determine if such exist, are not really covered by the national medical insurance program.
If you are without national medical insurance coverage, remember that you can always pay the provider in full for the services they provide. Assuming that you medical problems are minor, this is likely to cost you less than W7,000,000; if your problem is greater (say, a broken arm), break-even might become a bit less clear. But, in general, for more serious problems, you need to pay for that yourself. That’s why you can (and should) obtain medical insurance from an insurance company. Heck, W7,000,000 would buy you several years’ of coverage, so you might consider how long you intend to stay and whether you should simply follow that route.
“It seems to me there is a mismatch – that is, the enrollment poilcy doesn’t acknowledge that there are valid reasons one might not have paricipated in NHIC.”
What valid reason. He appears to know about NHIC and he seems to have been rather blase about not being covered.
If he was classed as self-employed, one way employers get out of it, he should be paying himself. However I’m not clear how you could get an E2 if self employed, since you need a letter of employment from a sponsor.
If employed then then he should have an NHIC number, but he’s just turned a blind eye to it.
Governmental Health Coverage is about contributing over years, not just contributing in the year you get sick.
Further the NHIC haven’t threatened action against him, merely told him he’ll have to stump up is arrears before being allowed in.
gangpe, i didn’t think that was going to work since they have some way to tell someone is using a web proxy. i wish you luck.
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minjokju, i suppose i should say that it’s my opinion he’s a japanophile. the man speaks japanese and tibetan but not korean, and if my memory serves me correctly, his wife is japanese. the book in question just doesn’t look into the relationship between the languages of koguryeo and japan, it also spends a lot of time on divorcing present day koreans from any ancestry with the peoples of koguryeo. in other words, beckwith spends much time in telling the reader that japan’s ancestors are in no way related to the ancestors of koreans. that’s a hallmark of a japanophile in my mind. in fact, the jacket of the book makes a big point about that. that’s why i became suspicious and decided not to spend the money on a very expensive book. i’ll leave a link of a blog review where the reviewer seems gleeful that beckwith makes such a claim. that’s what promted me to look for professional reviews of his work.
as for the relationship between korean and japanese, it just seems like a no-brainer. i mean, the grammars are almost identical but unlike any other grammars i have ever seen. sure they share similarities with manchu and mongol but those grammars have a lot of differences with hangukmal and nihongo. in my mind, most of the confusion regarding the realtionship between korean and japanese has been created by the japanese and their western friends.
here’s the link. the blog is clearly run by otaku types:
Arghaeri @43, Iwas referring to MY situation and not craash’s. That is, I was(am) self employed on D-8 visa, held a valid overseas private health insurance policy, and was therefore not required to participate in NHIC plan. But when I later elected to participate, I still had to pay all those retroactive premiums. I felt I was being punishd even though I had not done anything wrong. Had I been flying under the radar, breaking the rules, and then signed up, I would completely understand having to pay the back payments.
I just opened my fridge and discovered I’m out of beer, but it’s a pain in the ass to take the elevator down to the convenience store. How could Korea allow this to happen? There should be convenience stores on every floor to help people like me.
Start a beer delivery service like some friends of mine in China. They’d phone in an order and when the scooter arrived, they’d lower a basket from their apartment window.
-How would he have enrolled himself on the NHIC scheme if his employers refused to sponsor him and pay their share? I think this is a way for employers to save money that demonstrates a total contempt for the lives of their employees. You are blaming someone for being exploited. Rather than using your talents to criticize him, why don’t you do something about the legal loopholes that allow this sort of abuse to continue? I am sure that craash wanted health insurance and would have been willing to pay it, but continued to work for people that refused to contribute to his medical plan. In other words, the failure to keep up with the legal obligation is not his but of his former employers. Why blame him? I think it is offensive that this kind of behaviour is tolerated in Korea in this day and age. Koreans would not stand for being denied health care, why should their foreign employees?
Koreans might not but Craash apparently did; he could have pressed a claim against his employer at the labor board. He also could have enrolled in the NIH on his own pending the Board’s resolution of the problem or as an alternative. Brendon’s not blaming him for being exploited but for having permitted himself to be exploited and then whingeing about it.
“Arghaeri @43, Iwas referring to MY situation and not craash’s.”
Fair enough, that’s a bit of a pain. On the other hand, as noted, Governmental Health Coverage is about contributing over years, not just contributing in the year you get sick, so its somehow understandable since your private health plan wouldn’t contribute to the government insurance fund.
“I don’t quite understand why the suicide death of a japanese celebrity is currently the number 1 ranked out of all news articles on donga-ilbo. Utterly strange to me”
To Pawi and Minjokjuuija, thanks for bringing up such an interesting topic. Obviously in the study of ethnolinguistic history this is a very hot topic.
Just a quick comment
A person may disagree with an author’s methods or conclusions and in this case there are many critics of his work. However, it would be wrong to blame an author every time (in this case Japanese) nationalists kidnap one part of the book to promote their own agenda. Now the link Pawi gave to the Neojaponisme review clearly has an anti Korean claim but it is sheer nonsense (the only immigrants to Japan were people from the Liaoning peninsula and a few Baekje aristocrats!?!) Christopher Beckwith’s focus is clearly more about the origins of Japanese than on Goguryeo, yet does he actually make the claims that this Neojaponisme site says?
gangpe, i didn’t think that was going to work since they have some way to tell someone is using a web proxy. i wish you luck.
The site is Flash-based. Flash doesn’t respect browser proxy settings and doesn’t run entirely on port 80, so even if you do have a web proxy set up at the system level, if the IP check occurs in Flash, then your real IP will be revealed. You need to use a US VPN instead of a US proxy.
There is a terrific article about how Korea, Inc. never came up with an MP3 player that rivals iPod, although Korean company iRiver initially had advanced technology and strong market position. Link
The money shot:
따지고 보면 한국은 MP3 시장에서 가장 크게 성공할 가능성이 있는 국가였다. 특허를 갖고 있었을 뿐만 아니라 삼성전자를 비롯한 막강한 메모리 및 액정 수급 능력, 뿐만 아니라 그에 걸맞은 빠르고 능숙한 제조기술까지 갖추고 있었다.
그러나 애플은 MP3플레이어를 단순한 하드웨어로 분류하지 않고 소프트웨어 측면에서 접근했다. 결국 아이튠즈는 컴퓨터를 잘 모르는 40대 이후 컴맹조차도 음악 CD를 컴퓨터에 넣기만 하면 자동으로 음원을 정리해 MP3플레이어로 전송하는 편리한 기능으로 시장의 패러다임을 바꿔 버렸다.
반대로 한국산 MP3플레이어는 컴퓨터를 잘 알아야만 가동할 수 있는 소수 마니아를 위한 어려운 기계였다. 한국은 MP3를 기계로 접근했지만 미국은 디지털 컨텐츠를 위한 창구로 이해했고, 그 철학은 아이폰과 아이패드로 이어졌다.
I have heard some valid criticisms of Beckwith. He is an old school type linguist and historian not very versed in population genetics. There’s nothing wrong with them, they are usually very good writers and produce books with interesting narratives, but I think there can be an over-reliance on literary sources and a tendency to overstate one’s case.
Thanks man, i tried the vpn solution too through hotspot shield, it didn’t work. I was reading on a blog apparently sites like hulu are able now to circumvent vpn’s too. They also suggested to run both hotspot shield and ultrasurf at the same time, i tried that too and…nada
“Koreans might not but Craash apparently did; he could have pressed a claim against his employer at the labor board. He also could have enrolled in the NIH on his own pending the Board’s resolution of the problem or as an alternative. Brendon’s not blaming him for being exploited but for having permitted himself to be exploited and then whingeing about it. ”
I was in Korea for 5 years before I realized that there was a large group of people who had E-2 visas but no healthcare. I knew that there were lots of illegal teachers without it, but everyone I knew who had a visa also had a medical booklet. At first I couldn’t believe that these people existed, but then I started to meet more and more of them and each time I did my reaction was not to blame them but to encourage them to get covered as soon as possible. They mostly avoided the issue or changed the subject, happy to pretend it wasn’t an issue, but I did help a friend once by going in and talking to her boss about it. He promised up and down that he would insure her, but never did and she eventually quit. Her next two employers tried the same nonsense, too. Very few of these teachers were the kind of people that would have pressed their claims at the labour board. They spoke no Korean at all and were mostly terrified of their bosses. I suppose you’ve got to fight for your right to teach English, but I can understand them if they were too scared to risk their jobs.
I guess I have some negative feelings for people who let themselves be pushed around, but my anger is far greater for those who lie, cheat and deceive their employees both foreign and Korean. For such a sad situation to exist in a country with so much money is truly heart-breaking, and when you guys blame the victim I get reminded of why I had to leave Korea. Dishonest employers and self-centred Westerners were a big part of my decision, I suppose.
Many of you are Americans that don’t really see why healthcare is necessary in the first place and believe that small government is the best government. We’ve had this discussion before and I was accused of advocating Sovietized healthcare. I think you use your visa status as houseboys of your Korean wives and your knowledge of Korean to beat up on English teachers who, yeah, can be a bit clueless but deserve help too. You guys are acting as cheerleaders for scumbag employers lining their own pockets who care more about pocketing 2 man won per month than the life of their employee. Brendon says he doesn’t help English teachers because they can’t afford him, but I guess he still doesn’t have enough money to buy a heart.
I haven’t read Beckwith’s book so I can’t say too much about it. I’m skeptical of Beckwith’s methodology as described above in Pawi’s post @ #26, especially when compared to Turchin’s method, but I haven’t read it so maybe he makes a stronger case than it appears. There might be someone here who has read the book that might be able to answer your question.
I think there is some merit with Beckwith’s theories but there is some stuff that comes completely from left field. Both Korean AND Japanese scholars have been exploring the linguistic relationship between Koguryo and Japanese since the 20′s. They have always felt that there was some kind of relationship between the two. Beckwith actually quotes from them quite a bit from his book. Was has been missing is the pronunciations of what the Koguryo words might be because we were not sure what the Old Chinese spoken during Han and Tang times sounded like. These Koguryo words preserved in the Chinese sources and the Samguk Sagi are transcribed into Chinese characters.
On the surface of it, the belief that there were two primary languages on the peninsula: northern Puyo and southern and central Han, is a theory that many Korean scholars adhere to.
Where he goes completely into left field is where he says that Koguryo and Japanese people originally came from southern China. This flies in the face of all genetic, historical and archeological information that we have. America’s best Koguryo historian, Mark Byington (which incidentally Beckwith quotes!) says that theory is preposterous (Mark told me that personally when I spoke to him). Essentially, Beckwith takes a few grains of “interesting” bits of data, namely a few Koguryo words preserved as toponyms in the Samguk Sagi in Chinese characters, then reconstructs what Old Chinese may have sounded like for the characters in question and comes up with hypothetical lexicon (of some very strange sounding words IMHO). You know what that’s like? Let’s say the U.S. went completely to shit and it ended and no one knew what English sounded like but we have the place names saved in Roman characters. Now, we don’t know how American’s pronounced Latin/Roman characters that it was preserved in. Hell, we don’t even know how the Roman’s themselves pronounced their characters, but we know how the Greeks pronounced their characters and we know that Roman characters derived from Greek characters so we use a hybrid Roman and Greek pronunciation to sound out the American place names okay? Got it so far? Okay, we know that American took and conquered a lot of land and that the place names may not be native English names so we focus on the original 13 colonies. Okay, with me so far? Then we “construct” a lexicon out of place names. New York, New Hampshire. We can probably figure out that the word “new” is a real word, but if we use a hybrid Greek/Roman pronunciation style we may pronounce the N-E-W characters as NhEwwWah, which is totally different than how actual Americans actually pronounced “new.” Then we come to names like Delaware and Massachusetts and assume they are English words! Wrong! Those are Native American words which is from a TOTALLY DIFFERENT language than English. But we take those two words and try to fit them into some pronunciation and lexicon map to come up with a theory. However, even the placement of a few place names that didn’t come from the language we are studying can throw this whole theory into a loop.
So, with the available data it’s virtually impossible to make the assertions that Beckwith makes… but… that doesn’t stop him! One scholar, a Baekje historian named David Byerly, said that Beckwith’s theory is like looking at only the skin of a elephant to try and figure out what the arms, head and ears looked like.
I agree that Beckwith’s methodology is problematic. It reminds me of the lamp-post problem of science: A drunken man is crawling around on his hands and knees under a lamp-post. His friend asks him “what are you doing crawling around under that lamp-post?” The drunk responds that he has lost his keys and is looking for them. His friend responds “your car is over here, you have not been near that lamp-post.” The drunk responds “it is very dark and this is the only place where there is some light.”
Thanks man, i tried the vpn solution too through hotspot shield, it didn’t work. I was reading on a blog apparently sites like hulu are able now to circumvent vpn’s too. They also suggested to run both hotspot shield and ultrasurf at the same time, i tried that too and…nada
Hulu’s blocking of HotSpot shield is based on a list of known VPNs. If I had enough pipe here I would set up a VPN and give you the pass, but my upstream doesn’t break 80kbps so it wouldn’t be much for VOD. Have you tried Fantastic Super Club? Lots of fansubbed k-dramas on there.
I’m just not used to japanese celebrities — who have no connection to korea — getting so much attention in korean media. Especially regarding the topic of suicide which seems like an everyday event in korea and japan these days.
JW, I was hanging out late in Manhattan K-town last night with around 5~6 pretty Korean girls (my fiancee’s friends) who were looking for single men. Just thought I should mention it to you.
Jesus, thanks i’m literally close to tears, you guys are really a nice lot…sorry even Italian criminals have their soft moments
JW: Korean players have often superb control and surprising athletic power, what the South Korean national soccer team still lags is tactical discipline. Technically wise they’re second to none, the Brazilians of Asia
Obama held a Question Time-like session with Republicans on Friday; and by all accounts it was compelling TV. Obama was so masterful in showing the falseness and total bankruptcy of Republican “ideas” that Faux News broke away from its live coverage mid-way through.
Hilarious. Go to MSNBC or Salon for the video. Of course the corporate media is treating the event with its usual “GOP Says Earth is Flat; Some Dems Disagree” blase-faire-ness. Which is why nobody reads or watches them anymore. Dems meanwhile are cheering the return of the Obama they elected.
I have a copyright on “blasefairness”, by the way.
Cracks me up everytime I think about Faux News breaking away in the middle of the event because things were going so horribly wrong for the so-called Republicans. Their “ideas” are like vampires that turn to ashes outside the friendly confines or Faux and blasseizfaire corporate media.
It seems that with some professors pushing new ideas they focus on what they are expert in (in this case linguistics) dismissing other archeological evidence to create a whole new history. However, even just using linguistics the problems of his theory that you have shown seem enough to put it to bed. Got to admire the man for putting it out there knowing people are going to rip it apart.
That’s why theories of this kind of significance shouldn’t just be left to a linguist. On the other hand, the stuff that Jared Diamond wrote about the Japanese shouldn’t just be left to a geologist (although Jared is good at other disciplines). On the other hand, I don’t think Chris has a nationalistic agenda. He is trying to formulate a theory that made sense to him with the data he interpreted.
However, when you look at it holistically and thematically, it’s untenable. Koguryo people could not have come from southern China. Beckwith has virtually zero evidence for this.
I actually read Mark Byingyton’s PhD dissertation which was the history of the Manchurian kingdom of Puyo (Buyeo). Koguryo and Baekje people considered the kingdom of Puyo as their predecessor. In about 500 pages Mark showed textually and archeologically that Puyo and Koguryo are highly related to each other and that both of these kingdoms had much in common with other Manchurian tribes and chieftains in the last few centuries before the common era.
“MrMao you may have some points but eventually it is impossible to help people who don’t want to help themselves”
Exactly, if they don’t even ask for help how can they be helped.
I’m not american and support the Korean system, and have had occasion to benefit from it numerous times. Your argument that the Employer doesn’t care about their health enough, is rather moot when the Employee doesn’t seem to care either.
Saying that people here support the cheating Employer’s is also ridiculous (whose net would be x 2 BTW since both Employer and Employee contribute at source), they are scumbags, but if those who are being cheated won’t do anything about it, not even reporting their employer on leaving, what do you expect us to do.
If their health is such a concern to them then why didn’t they stump up the contribution themselves, yes they may have been cheated but your health is your health.
As for a lawyers heart, you don’t need a lawyer to go to the labour board, or to report the Employers to the relevant authorities, or to keep your payslips as proof you’ve been paying you’re taxes and NHICs.
wangkon, thanks for the info (belair, you out there?). even if beckwith isn’t a japanophile, i was still very suspicious of his contentions because they just didn’t seem to make sense. of course, the problem is, when you search for koguryeo, you often find his name at the top of the list. that’s why i wantted to put some info up on this subject here on a high traffic blog (thanks, robert). why isn’t prof byington publishing more?
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gangpeh, i hope you find a solution but you might just have to wait for the dvds.
The dissertation sounds like an interesting read. Pawi is right though, there isn’t much out there (In English) focused on Buyo, Gojoseon, and Goguryeo (excluding archaeological books). I am guessing that is due to the lack of conclusive primary evidence. Most general books on Korean history either use the Samguk Saji/ Samguk Yusa as the only source (obviously they are very important and unfortunately pretty much all that’s left of Korea’s historical recordings of the pre-united Silla period.) Also these books hardly give much time to that period at all, compressing pre-Joseon history into a few pages.
Is there any books out there focused on that period that aren’t based on one speciality i.e. linguistics, archaeology..?
Does anyone else watch this program “We Got Married”? I’d like to know: Who else is convinced that the fella Jo Kwon is doing that show to save up money to have his sex-change surgery?
If you do a little digging you’ll see actually a fair amount of Korean Three Kingdom’s history available in English.
Here’s my biography:
1) A History of the Early Korean Kingdom of Paekche, Johnathan Best.
2) Medieval Chinese Warfare (300 A.D. to 900 A.D.) David A. Graff.
3) Sacred Tests and Buried Treasures, William W. Farris.
4) Emperor Yang of the Sui Dynasty, Cunrui Xiong.
5) Sources of Korean Tradition (Volume One).
6) The Genesis of East Asia, Charles Holcombe.
7) State Formation in Korea, Gina L. Barnes.
Early Korea: Reconsidering Early Korean History Through Archaeology, Mark Byington.
All the aforementioned are available on Amazon. This is not to mention many working papers in the English speaking academia that are out there. Surprisingly, there is quite a bit of Samguk history in the Nihongi which is why some scholars think that chunks of that book was written using lost Baekje historical books. Johnathan Best actually uses the Nihongi as a primary source and probably quotes from it a third of the time.
Only the congenitally truth-challenged Barack Obama could announce a “spending freeze”, followed by a budget estimate of a US$1.6 trillion shortfall for FY2010 ending Sept. 30, 2010 (against US$1.4 trillion in FY2009), and a budget proposal for FY2011 which will raise spending by yet 6% more.
However, there’s great news! By including the imaginary revenue to be collected from the Cap ‘n Trade plan which will never pass the Congress, Barack claims the budget deficit in FY2011 will be a mere US$1.3 trillion.
But Americans aren’t so dumb: Nine out of 10 voters think that the spending-freeze promise was as good as any of our President’s other promises.
I am convinced that most of the Democrats seeking re-election this fall (the ones who aren’t deciding to call it a day and retire) will be running in opposition to Barack Obama. By April this guy is going to be completely radioactive for the Democratic Party. Forty years in the wilderness for the GOP? Try back in the saddle in time for Christmas. Thanks Barack!
But for die-hard true Hope and Change believers, there’s no better time than now to stock up on Barack gear, especially now that the liquidation sale is on.
For years, I’ve danced around here and received (with a few exceptions) pretty fair and reasonable treatment from the big S company. I’ve seen other foreign employees get occasionally mistreated, and I’ve heard bad stories about how domestic employees have been mistreated. But today it happened. They fucked me. They fucked me good. And it hurt. And I’m powerfully pissed.
I’ll roll with this though, and will turn out much better than they will on the other end. Contention plans already laid. I’ll end up scratched a little, they’ll end up bruised and broken.
Don’t worry Korea, I’ll do my best to let this bitter experience affect my generally good image of you.
Don’t want to tease you KrZ. Here it is. They are pushing me out of my beloved penthouse apartment on 강남대로. Lots of lies about why it is happening. Plenty of dishonesty, run-around, etc., about the replacement apartment. Today, it was irrevocably decided I will live in a place about half the size because of “money issues.” All this while my 2009 performance evaluation was great, the company/division had record sales and profits in 2009, and last Friday all employees (oops, all the employees except the foreign engineers) received massive profit sharing bonuses. The people getting the nice bonuses (all but the foreign engineers, I believe) are also getting massive “cost of living” adjustments to their salaries to make up for 2009′s raise freeze (to which foreign engineers WERE recipients).
Yeah, this is rotten treatment, and absolutely typical of any Korean organization that employs foreigners.
After a boffo set of results for my practice this year, I was steeling myself for the sudden but inevitable betrayal and was pleasantly surprised that it didn’t come. That just means the axe goes in my neck sometime in the future, as far as I can tell. Foreigners working in Korea simply have to expect this sort of thing and plan accordingly, alas. Sorry to hear about it…
I just hope I can hang on long enough to save up for my sex-change operation.
It is typical of most organisations in any part of the world employing foreigners…the main reason to hire foreigners is generally to exploit them, sad but true
Instead of the sex-change operation, I think I might opt to spend the rest of my remaining days here as an alcoholic ublove.com manwhore, and when I can’t keep up with that anymore just take my pension from the company, pension from the gov’t, other money I exploited from this place, and my newfound STDs straight to Betty Ford and then wherever it is that Tiger is getting treated now.
Sorry to hear your ‘I’m getting screwed by The Man’ story, cmm. Don’t take it too hard. BTW, how many percent does ‘massive’ equal in your coworkers’ COLA?
I’m sorry to hear of your trial-by-treachery “cmm”. If you were Russian, you would get screwed even more than you are now and would probably have already hacked all of their toilets to explode three months from now.
I have a Korean friend who was asked to look over a CV of a foreign employee at Samsung Engineering when she worked there because of her education abroad because they could not judge it for themselves. Anyway she was shocked that this guy was in the position that he was in, from his academic background and qualifications and told them so.
Sometimes they like to weed you out by asking the 해외/유학파. I hope it was not a case like that, cmm.
R Elgin – that’s true, and it’s already crossed my mind. Though, if I were Russian, I’d likely be married with children, and they’d give me a larger apartment before finding a way to stick it to me.
TK – Freudian slip… when I read my typo at first I laughed at the same possibility, but I don’t think so. That’s the kind of typo that happens when you are proofreading while enduring blind rage. And thanks.
Wangkon – thanks again. Sucks ass you say? I hope you weren’t talking about my plan (@103), which seems divine. Re the firing you have to do – I know a few bureaucrats who could do it for you and feign sympathy at the same time.
gbnhj – Thanks for the clever sarcasm. Let me explain how business works for professionals working abroad, just in case it’s your ignorance that leads you to make ass comments. In most cases, if one works as a highly qualified professional abroad, one should expect and get extra… housing, additional COLA, etc. It is additional compensation for the inconveniences of living in a foreign culture, away from the capital that one has already built up but leaving in their home country (house, car, etc.), familiarity and comforts of home, friends, and family. Professionals who choose to stay in their home country generally don’t get this nor need it as much. (But since you brought up my coworker’s COLA, my Korean coworkers who studied abroad also get apartments from the company for several years. That’s not insigificant at all.)
tuna – My academic background and qualifications are world class, and among the top of those on my team. I’m sure that is not an issue. What do you do again, btw?
Anyway, enough about this, I’ve vented more than planned or necessary and I will be fine.
What type of engineer are you anyway cmm? I don’t mean to intrude on your confidential work at present, but what was your research focused on prior to S? If you think any of that is too prying don’t bother answering, I’m just curious.
not too prying, but I’ve said enough on the MH to become easily yokohatcheted, and the answers to all your questions could tie the pieces together. I will say, though, my Ph.D. is in chemical engineering and my background, while somewhat diverse, is largely in electrochemical related stuff.
Let me explain how business works for professionals working abroad.
In most cases, if one works as a highly qualified professional abroad, one should expect and get whats in their overseas professional contract. Now the descaling of your accommodation is a genuine complaint, If its not according to your contract then make a fuss. [If it is then you've received a bonus for a while]
However, don’t mix it up comparing apples and oranges with those on a local staff basis. Don’t complain about the lack of bonuses, compared to local staff, who typically even with the bonuses earn much less than you and typically don’t get housing etc. Crikey your accommodation on open market would cost more in wolsei than many of your co-workers salaries.
It is an option to go on the regular company pay scale, I decided not to as I didn’t want a huge pay cut and loss of benefits!!
As for Tuna (like that cmm ) I agree the personnel dept don’t always know the relevant qualifications, I have to vet them for my department. However, I also remind them that skill set does not come down to going to the “right” university or high level degree. Some of the biggest plonkers in my profession have been those with the longest list of letters up to PhD and the some of the most capable those who gained it through doing the job from the bottom up.
Wonder who’s getting the penthouse BTW, the chaebols usually go the jonsei route, is the lease up? I heard the jonsei prices have become a problem again in the area, so it might be an economic issue.
cmm, I hadn’t meant to be sarcastic, and I’m sorry if read that way. Perhaps my comment was too short, or too blunt, for what you’d been through. Still, as a fourteen-year resident of the ROK, I’d hazard to say that I’m somewhat familiar with how things are for those working abroad, and my question was genuine.
For example (and this is in no way intended as an attack), employees at most Korean firms can expect annual general salary increases (임금 in Korean), irrespective of any personal raise one might get due to increases in tenure, title, or credentials. You referred to that as a cost of living adjustment – I simply used your terminology. While companies generally offer these increases, it’s because they vary that I asked.
arghaeri -
the descaling of my accomodations is my complaint. The stuff about the bonuses was not my complaint. It is fair as I’m not entitled–I only mention that as justification of my anger, i.e. “descaling my accomodations” at a time when business is booming and the company can and are giving massive amounts of money away to the employees, my performance ratings are good, etc.
Crikey your accommodation on open market would cost more in wolsei than many of your co-workers salaries.
Not even close.
The penthouse lease is up; I’ve had prospectives coming to look at it already. Falling bank interest rates are indeed making jeonsei prices rise, and that’s part of the problem. But the jeonsei deposit amount isn’t really the economic price of jeonsei, is it. The company will indeed save money on me in my new apt.
gbnhj -
My apologies, I don’t see much but red, and I seem to have misunderstood. 인금인상, yes, that’s what I meant by COLA. My coworker tells me that they will get 9% this year.
Some of the biggest plonkers in my profession have been those with the longest list of letters up to PhD and the some of the most capable those who gained it through doing the job from the bottom up.
I hear you. However, lost-in-translation-qualifications are more clear-cut cases than that as in the case of the CV that was shown to my friend, it was a case a former shelf-stacker (nothing wrong with a job is a job is a job) from a non-redbrick walking straight into a high calibre managerial role with all the bells and whistles. No relevant job experience prior. That’s why she was amazed.
Yeah, can be a bit of that, also a lack of ability to read between the lines.
They don’t seem to pay attention to gaps in the CV and query why etc, etc…
but then again they have some strange ideas on their own CV priorities and recruitment etc including what they present to clients.
We frequently turned down people with good relevant experience and qualifications in preference to others with little relevant experience and qualification on the basis that HR thought X was clearly a better prospect because although he amjored in shelf stacking it was with SNU aka Job for Life
President Numbnuts’ lame-duck years have started already. He’s a completely spent force. And I have a little regret over that, as I support the abolition of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” and think the gays are going to get screwed over by this guy’s political impotence. And now who will fix the nation’s most urgent problems, like the Bowl Championship Series?
Sorry, dude — you’re stuck with it. Enjoy the Apple talk, try to endure the politics. It’s just going to get worse for your team anyway. And that’s not my fault.
We’ll probably all be all right in the end. The question is how much pain we’ll endure in the future.
The bad news? Missouri’s Tigers somehow managed to lose to Texas A&M — at home no less. I blame Obama. And Japan™.
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Hehehe First!!
I am now officially unemployed, so the email applications for various positions has started, I hate interviews.
I have to resign the contract on my apartment here in Jamsil, and I feel strange resigning whilst unemployed.
I miss the old days when I was handed Job after Job even before my current job had finished – the market is getting too competitive!
p.s. I also have a confession – I have been in Korea nine years without any type of Medical insurance..
It started nine years ago (2001) when I arrived in Korea and started working for an academy and they didn’t give me medical insurance.
In 2002 the next academy didn’t give it to me either.
I started working for the Public schools in 2003, however for the next couple of years they didn’t give me medical insurance either.
When I tried to get medical insurance (NHIC) a couple of years ago, my employer (Public school) told me I would have to pay 7 million won first as that has to be paid first to get the medical insurance.
Now in 2010, I have been told that to get NHIC I have to pay 10,000,000won first – due to having not had NHIC for the past 9 years.
Neither myself nor any new employer can afford to pay that – so I will just have to accept another position WITHOUT medical insurance.
Korea should change this law, in order to help people like me.
Over at the blog “Truth About Cars” there the funniest and most ironic comment I’ve read in awhile:
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/volt-birth-watch-183-a-crucial-clarification/#comment-1584434
CamaroKid:
So GM originally owned the battery company that was a pioneer in high density battery technology that could practically be put into cars then they sold it to an oil company and then the oil companies traded it around like a foster child until one finally sold it to the Koreans (and their German partners)? And now GM signs a contract to buy batteries from said company? Man… classic Detroit brain fart… epic epic EPIC fail.
I spent the money I should have set aside for taxes. I found out my tax this year should be about $150,000 and I can’t afford that and still keep my lifestyle. The law should be changed to help people like me.
I was born into poverty and have lived a wastrel’s life. I now stare impending old age in the face with nothing to show for my life and nothing to get me through the next 30 years. The government should force Brendon to give that 150,000 directly to me. In return, I swear I’ll waste no more money from now on.
Jeffery Hodges
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You really payin’ 2억 in taxes Brendon? I had no idea you were so caked up.
I call BS on that Brendon… unless one of your clients was suing someone and won a big settlement… but that’s not a part of your normal, regular year salary.
KrZ and WangKon, how can the two of you doubt Brandon’s words? He just as sincere as I am!
Jeffery Hodges
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Brandon, Brendon, what’s in a vowel?
Jeffery Hodges
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WangKon: You are displaying your presumptuous ignorance, again. Any lawyer who has escaped the status of indentured associate – as Brendon has (very uncommonly for a round-eye in Korea) – has an income that is essentially transaction-based, whether he’s a litigator or not, and which will vary from year to year depending on the volume of transactions (and fixed overheads, of course). Brendon’s corporate transactional practice did very well last year.
Brendon Carr is the P. J. O’Rourke of The Hole. The number is not the important part. It’s the jab at craash that’s the point.
Let’s not focus on the number. Let’s focus on the absurdity of the argument advanced by our friend craash, which is I had a legal obligation which I haven’t kept up on, and the arrears have accrued to the point that compliance would be a real drag. The government should do something for people like me.
Thing is, the government does do something for people like that. It’s called jail.
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Put me in Jail (prison) why?
did I do something illegal not having NHIC ?
I know its very, very foolish (and just let me die on the footpath if a bus ever hits me) – but is it criminal not having Medical Insurance?
(don’t make me more depressed, I am already depressed being unemployed)
“I spent the money I should have set aside for taxes. I found out my tax this year should be about $150,000 and I can’t afford that and still keep my lifestyle. The law should be changed to help people like me.”
With the 16.5% cap on foreigner taxes in korea, WOW, or are you counting US extra-terratorial income tax too….
“did I do something illegal not having NHIC ?”
You or your employers – likely yes. I’m not sure about public employees, schools, universities etc, since I know their pension rules can differ, but generally NHIC is part of your payroll deductions which should be deducted at source from Employee’s salary by the Employer and you then get a National Health Number.
It’s difficult to think that you have been “off the books” for ten years cash in hand, with the employer’s pocketing you tax deductions, but if they’re not taking your NIC’s and passing them on to the GOV then they’re probably not been passing along your taxes either….
Looks like there may be loopholes so for more information see below…..
http://www.korea4expats.com/article-how-to-get-national-health-insurance.html
AND you’re married to a Korean?
Hi, Nic Cage.
I just opened my fridge and discovered I’m out of beer, but it’s a pain in the ass to take the elevator down to the convenience store. How could Korea allow this to happen? There should be convenience stores on every floor to help people like me.
“고토 마키의 엄마는 왜 자살했나?”
http://news.donga.com/Enter/o2_List/3/0907/20100128/25752324/2&top=1
I don’t quite understand why the suicide death of a japanese celebrity is currently the number 1 ranked out of all news articles on donga-ilbo. Utterly strange to me.
Then that would make sense. My comment did allude to that, if you didn’t notice.
oops, I mean the suicide death of the *mother* of a japanese celebrity…
Oh, if you guys feeling up to a funny but somewhat old-school korean movie, check out 불후의 명작. I thought it was pretty hilarious.
regarding post #12
I didn’t Realise Brendan was an attorney…
and by “I have a confession to make…”
I was confessing to being ‘Babo’ (being a fool)
I was not making a criminal confession..
For the last nine years ALL of my Korean employers for positions I have taught in which the Immigration Office always gave me a “visa” to be employed at those schools – have always deducted 3.3% tax from my salary..
so I always paid my tax – (to my employer) – just never had medical insurance – which makes me BABO (a fool)
to which I confess.
I’m not so sure about that — your comparison is gratuitous at best. Brendon sounds like a lawyer and writes like one too. O’Rourke, on the other hand — a guy who professes no expertise in anything — writes from the viewpoint of a bystander, an observer, a commentator, a satirist — the ultimate gonzo reporter. That being said, the way Brendon holds court on all things Asian reminds me more of another whitey gone native from several decades ago: Col. Walter E. Kurtz .
I was bit by this rule myself last year. I used to have a health insurance policy in the USA that covered me here in Korea, and because of my status, I was not legally required to participate in NHIC. But I lost that policy, and joined the NHIC. When I enrolled, I had to pay all the retroactive premiums back to the start of my current visa. I did feel that was a bit unfair, since I had not been breaking any rules and had been properly covered.
It seems to me there is a mismatch – that is, the enrollment poilcy doesn’t acknowledge that there are valid reasons one might not have paricipated in NHIC.
i hope robert will allow me this indulgence to reprint a review of chris beckwith’s ‘work’ on the kogurean language. though a wet dream to your average otaku, the man’s work isn’t well regarded. the review below is just one in many that see the same things. beckwith is a japnophile and his work on the kogurean language attests to that fact. rather ironic he uses korea’s oldest history book to tell koreans their history ain’t their history.
Koguryo, the Language of Japan’s Continental Relatives: An Introductionto the Historical-Comparative Study of the Japanese-Koguryoic Languages with a Preliminary Description of Archaic Northeastern Middle Chinese. By Christopher I. Beckwith. Brill’s Japanese Studies Library, vol. 21. Leiden: Brill, 2004. 274 pages.
This volume is an attempt to recover the ethnolinguistic history of the ancient Korean kingdom of Goguryeo/Koguryŏ (henceforth Koguryo), recently brought to the attention of the public by a politico-historical controversy. It focuses on the reconstruction of the Koguryo language and its relations to other languages, which will also be the main object of this review, but also encompasses connected subjects such as
Chinese historical phonology, the origins of the Japanese language and people, and the Altaic theory and even devotes a whole chapter to various broader linguistic issues. Beckwith proceeds in this volume to a philological investigation of the “Old Koguryo” (OKog) toponyms recorded in the twelfth-century Korean history Samguk sagi and also takes a look at the fragments of the “Archaic Koguryo” language (AKog) found in older Chinese chronicles. Interpreting these transcriptions in Chinese phonograms through his personal version of Chinese historical phonology, Beckwith gives then a reconstruction of the phonological system of his OKog, as well as 139 Koguryo words, out of which he identifies about a hundred cognates with Japanese. Beckwith concludes that the Koguryo and Japanese languages are genetically related, as already assumed by many scholars, but rejects the Korean and Altaic connections. Actually, Beckwith dismisses the Altaic theory as a whole, even the convergence theory, by denying the very existence of an Altaic typology. For Japanese, he rejects all forms of Altaic, Korean, Austronesian, and, of course, the mixed language theories. In his view, Japanese and Koguryo are in “an exclusive close genetic relationship” (p.183). Beckwith then tries to back up his theory with historical background and discusses atlength the history and the archeology of Northeast Asia. Arguing for lexical and typological similarities with the Sino-Tibetan languages, he hypothesizes about ancient contacts and concludes that the Proto-Japanese-Koguryoic homeland was located in Southern China or Southeastern Asia. The Japanese-Koguryoic speakers
would have migrated to the North, some of them remaining on the continent to form the Puyo-Koguryoic people in Manchuria and Korea, others moving by sea to Southern Korea and to the North of Kyūshū, where they became the ancestors of the Japanese people. Unfortunately, Beckwith’s ambitious work is heavily flawed in many aspects, of which I will provide only a few examples. First, I deplore the general opacity of his methodology, since most of his reconstructions are his own, quite different from the ones adopted in mainstream Chinese (Baxter 1992; Sagart 1999; Starostin 1989, 1998-2003) and Japanese (Martin 1987) historical phonology, and it is unclear how they were arrived at. His comparisons thus use reconstructions that are too often problematic,sometimes simply incorrect, or, worse, just circular. For instance, the mysterious Proto-Japanese (PJ) *mika ume ‘plum’ and *rmey > umi ‘sea’ (pp.146-47) are completely ad hoc. They are supported by neither internal nor comparative method, and such consonant clusters have never been posited for PJ. The Yaeyama form “mmi” quoted as evidence (p.147) cannot be found in Hirayama’s reference dictionary (1988:139-40; Yaeyama dialects forms are recent loans from mainland dialects since plums don’t grow there). Anyway, both words cannot be reconstructed with the same onset since umi doesn’t exhibit the m-/øalternation of mume/ume in Japanese, and both words have completely different Ryukyuan reflexes (Shuri ʔɴmi ‘plum’ vs. ʔumi ‘sea’). Their putative Chinese sources don’t exhibit an initial *r- in standard reconstructions either: ‘plum’ *mɨ (Baxter), *mǝ̄ (Starostin); ‘sea’ *hmɨʔ (Baxter), *smǝ̄ʔ (Starostin). Many words are also cut down into pseudo roots, although there is no internal evidence for a morphological boundary: the only argument for those segmentations seems to be that they make the comparisons look better. For example, the reduction of OJ naga ‘long’ to *na (p.133), taka ‘high’ to *ta (pp.136-137), or toporu ‘to pass through’ to to (p.137, oddly reconstructed as *təwŋ) and their comparison with OKogcannot be accepted without justification.
It seems that all the above “reconstructions” are motivated only by the urge to provide them with an etymology: external comparison is privileged in detriment of internal evidence. Other quite irregular correspondences and derivations can also be found, with irregular forms too easily dubbed as “dialectal”, and, for some of them, the author even confesses that “these phonological changes are almost completely unexplained” (p.149). Beckwith’s comparisons also include a significant number of cases with questionable or unrealistic semantics. I am thus not convinced that OKog *tśü ‘to shoot with a bow’ should be compared with OJ tobu (reduced ad hoc to *tö) ‘to fly’ despite Beckwith’s claim that simply “arrows fly” (p.140). The most puzzling comparison is found on p.143, where OKog *yatsi ‘mother’ is said to be cognate with OJ yatukwo ‘slave’. I also find unpersuasive the too-easy and too-quick dismissal of the non-Japonic etymologies for Koguryo words (Itabashi [2004] provides a much more thorough list of Altaic, Korean, and even Austronesian etymologies by various authors). Too quick is also the conclusion that the language underlying the toponyms represents the actual language of Koguryo and the rejection of opposite views. The exact nature of the source language of the place names remains problematic in spite of Beckwith’s arguments, and this has led some scholars to label it cautiously “pseudo-Koguryo”. In addition, many of the phonetic fonts are misprinted, and the mixing of IPA characters and conventional transcriptions can be in some cases confusing.
In conclusion, Beckwith’s book is a valuable attempt to have a new look at the Koguryo fragments, within the broader scale of a global ethnolinguistic study ofAncient Eastern Asia. Nevertheless, its too many methodological shortcomings forbid us to accept Beckwith’s reconstructions and conclusions, although it is quite clear thatsome of the Koguryo place names indeed represent in all likelihood a language related to Japanese that was once spoken in the center of the Korean peninsula.
REFERENCES
Baxter, William H. 1992. A Handbook of Old Chinese phonology. Berlin: Mouton de Gruyter.
Hirayama, Teruo. 1988. Minami Ryūkyū no hōgen kiso goi. Tokyo: Ōfūsha.
Itabashi, Yoshizō. 2004. “Kōkuri no chimei kara Kokurigo to Chōsengo/Nihongo to no shiteki
kankei wo saguru”. Nihongo keitoron no genzai [Perspectives on the Japanese language
origins], ed. Alexander Vovin and Osada Toshiki. Kyoto: International Center for
Japanese Studies. Pp. 131-84.
Martin, Samuel E. 1987. The Japanese Language through Time. New Haven: Yale University
Press.
@8675309
Your saying Mr. Carr has “gone native” makes me think maybe we’re not even talking about the same person. Besides that, the Carr that hangs out here tends to limit himself to a few topics, not “all things Asia.”
I know it can get confusing, because people run around spelling his name so many different ways.
If you think that Col. Kurtz, let alone his literary precursor Mr. Kurtz, are representative “whitey gone native” you get an F.
Yeah, right, like most Koreans, the fall back claim of being “half-right”, when that’s not an option under the opening rules. Works if all you want to play is horseshoes (and maybe hand grenades, assuming your opponent is foolish enough to let you get close enough and not take you out with a targeted shot earlier)
for you folks in the us (only) who might be interested in looking at korean television shows legally and for free, i have a site for you listed after this post. the site actually does business with sbs, mbc, and now kbs. that’s why the feeds are high in quality and not broken up into 6 or 7 parts for any given hour of any given k-drama. the subs are excellent and the stream is almost always without break. many history dramas there. might i recommend ‘yi san’?
http://www.dramafever.com
ps they just started showing the mega-hit ‘iris’.
Re: craash, Mr. Carr et al.
I’m no expert in Korean law, but can an employee really be held responsible if an employer is taking out taxes/healthcare fees from the employee’s salary and spending it at the room salon? I only ask because this happened to me at my first job in Korea, and I’ve been told by many Koreans that this is prettymuch standard operating procedure among hagwons. I know the employer was breaking the law, but it never occurred to me that I could be as well.
Back in ’97 and ’98, the owners of the hagwons I worked at deducted money for taxes and medical insurance. I returned to Canada, then returned to Korea in 2000 and was given a medical insurance card -or folder) and was surprised – was this what I thought I had been paying for and never seen at the first places I worked at? It wasn’t much of a joke later, explaining to tax officials in Canada that I had paid taxes in Korea but couldn’t provide any receipt for that, either.
I noticed on apple.com/trailers that “mother” is coming to America:
http://www.motherfilm.com/
I love the still they use for the movie; it’s quite strong and intriguing.
A week ago, I stopped in a movie theatre in Atlanta and choked when I saw that one ticket was 15.50 USD! I think these kind of prices will encourage more bootlegging than all the bit torrent in the world.
I had a legal obligation which I haven’t kept up on
-How would he have enrolled himself on the NHIC scheme if his employers refused to sponsor him and pay their share? I think this is a way for employers to save money that demonstrates a total contempt for the lives of their employees. You are blaming someone for being exploited. Rather than using your talents to criticize him, why don’t you do something about the legal loopholes that allow this sort of abuse to continue? I am sure that craash wanted health insurance and would have been willing to pay it, but continued to work for people that refused to contribute to his medical plan. In other words, the failure to keep up with the legal obligation is not his but of his former employers. Why blame him? I think it is offensive that this kind of behaviour is tolerated in Korea in this day and age. Koreans would not stand for being denied health care, why should their foreign employees?
And craash, you paid the 3.3% income tax but your healthcare premiums would have been above and beyond that; they were about W20-25,000 a month on a teacher’s salary, if I recall correctly.
Well guys i don’t know if you already know this…
For all of you k-pop lovers here’s this guy, he’s a Greek dj and does fantastic trance remixes of lots of k-pop sh…ehm i mean hits:
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@ pawi # 30
Iris subbed ??? If i was gay i’d ask you to marry me now ha ha ha ha
I love that show
just a reminder, gangpe; they only steam to the states. have a good day.
and yes, ‘iris’ subbed!
Pawi to answer another question in another post, we watch KOrean tv online as much as possible, i was looking to see if it’s available on some Astra or Eutelsat
Also i’ll try some ip hider like Hotspot Shield to see if the website works, where there’s a wille there’s a way !!
web proxies don’t work either, hell i won’t give up
@ pawikirogii
Thank you for your post on Beckwith. I’ve been meaning to read that book but haven’t got around to it. I did not know that he is a Japanophile. I had heard that he was a big fan of the steppe pastoralists, who are the topic of his most recent book “Empires of the Silk Road: A History of Central Eurasia from the Bronze Age to the Present” which is supposed to be excellent.
Peter Turchin is a population biologist and historian who has pioneered a new field he calls “cliodynamics” that uses mathematical modeling and statistical analysis to study history.
He has written a couple of good history books but I mention him because he recently wrote a paper along with Murray Gell-Mann, the Nobel winning physicist, on the Altaic hypothesis. They use a statistical method that they argue shows that the Altaic hypothesis is valid.
Analyzing Genetic Connections between Languages by Matching Consonant Classes by Peter Turchin, Ilia Peiros, and Murray Gell-Mann
The idea that the Turkic, Mongolian, Tungusic, Korean, and Japanese languages are genetically related (the “Altaic hypothesis”) remains controversial within the linguistic community. In an effort to resolve such controversies, we propose a simple approach to analyzing genetic connections between languages. The Consonant Class Matching (CCM) method uses strict phonological identification and permits no changes in meanings. This allows us to estimate the probability that the observed similarities between a pair (or more) of languages occurred by chance alone. The CCM procedure yields reliable statistical inferences about historical connections between languages: it classifies languages correctly for well-known families (Indo-European and Semitic) and does not appear to yield false positives. The quantitative patterns of similarity that we document for languages within the Altaic family are similar to those in the non-controversial Indo-European family. Thus, if the Indo-European family is accepted as real, the same conclusion should also apply to the Altaic family.
http://cliodynamics.info/PDF/ConsClass.pdf
For those who feel they are somehow burdened by being without national medical coverage, consider that such coverage really only helps out when handling basic medical problems. More serious problems, or even tests to determine if such exist, are not really covered by the national medical insurance program.
If you are without national medical insurance coverage, remember that you can always pay the provider in full for the services they provide. Assuming that you medical problems are minor, this is likely to cost you less than W7,000,000; if your problem is greater (say, a broken arm), break-even might become a bit less clear. But, in general, for more serious problems, you need to pay for that yourself. That’s why you can (and should) obtain medical insurance from an insurance company. Heck, W7,000,000 would buy you several years’ of coverage, so you might consider how long you intend to stay and whether you should simply follow that route.
“It seems to me there is a mismatch – that is, the enrollment poilcy doesn’t acknowledge that there are valid reasons one might not have paricipated in NHIC.”
What valid reason. He appears to know about NHIC and he seems to have been rather blase about not being covered.
If he was classed as self-employed, one way employers get out of it, he should be paying himself. However I’m not clear how you could get an E2 if self employed, since you need a letter of employment from a sponsor.
If employed then then he should have an NHIC number, but he’s just turned a blind eye to it.
Governmental Health Coverage is about contributing over years, not just contributing in the year you get sick.
Further the NHIC haven’t threatened action against him, merely told him he’ll have to stump up is arrears before being allowed in.
“Koreans would not stand for being denied health care, why should their foreign employees?”
You’d best ask Craash that, I wouldn’t and I didn’t when I didn’t get a number in the first month I made a fuss until I got one.
gangpe, i didn’t think that was going to work since they have some way to tell someone is using a web proxy. i wish you luck.
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minjokju, i suppose i should say that it’s my opinion he’s a japanophile. the man speaks japanese and tibetan but not korean, and if my memory serves me correctly, his wife is japanese. the book in question just doesn’t look into the relationship between the languages of koguryeo and japan, it also spends a lot of time on divorcing present day koreans from any ancestry with the peoples of koguryeo. in other words, beckwith spends much time in telling the reader that japan’s ancestors are in no way related to the ancestors of koreans. that’s a hallmark of a japanophile in my mind. in fact, the jacket of the book makes a big point about that. that’s why i became suspicious and decided not to spend the money on a very expensive book. i’ll leave a link of a blog review where the reviewer seems gleeful that beckwith makes such a claim. that’s what promted me to look for professional reviews of his work.
as for the relationship between korean and japanese, it just seems like a no-brainer. i mean, the grammars are almost identical but unlike any other grammars i have ever seen. sure they share similarities with manchu and mongol but those grammars have a lot of differences with hangukmal and nihongo. in my mind, most of the confusion regarding the realtionship between korean and japanese has been created by the japanese and their western friends.
here’s the link. the blog is clearly run by otaku types:
http://neojaponisme.com/2007/01/19/the-japanese-koguryoic-language-family/#more-1048
have a good day, minjok.
Arghaeri @43, Iwas referring to MY situation and not craash’s. That is, I was(am) self employed on D-8 visa, held a valid overseas private health insurance policy, and was therefore not required to participate in NHIC plan. But when I later elected to participate, I still had to pay all those retroactive premiums. I felt I was being punishd even though I had not done anything wrong. Had I been flying under the radar, breaking the rules, and then signed up, I would completely understand having to pay the back payments.
Start a beer delivery service like some friends of mine in China. They’d phone in an order and when the scooter arrived, they’d lower a basket from their apartment window.
Koreans might not but Craash apparently did; he could have pressed a claim against his employer at the labor board. He also could have enrolled in the NIH on his own pending the Board’s resolution of the problem or as an alternative. Brendon’s not blaming him for being exploited but for having permitted himself to be exploited and then whingeing about it.
“Arghaeri @43, Iwas referring to MY situation and not craash’s.”
Fair enough, that’s a bit of a pain. On the other hand, as noted, Governmental Health Coverage is about contributing over years, not just contributing in the year you get sick, so its somehow understandable since your private health plan wouldn’t contribute to the government insurance fund.
#47
Sonagi, in the words of John McEnroe, “You cannot be serious….”
“I don’t quite understand why the suicide death of a japanese celebrity is currently the number 1 ranked out of all news articles on donga-ilbo. Utterly strange to me”
why’s that?
To Pawi and Minjokjuuija, thanks for bringing up such an interesting topic. Obviously in the study of ethnolinguistic history this is a very hot topic.
Just a quick comment
A person may disagree with an author’s methods or conclusions and in this case there are many critics of his work. However, it would be wrong to blame an author every time (in this case Japanese) nationalists kidnap one part of the book to promote their own agenda. Now the link Pawi gave to the Neojaponisme review clearly has an anti Korean claim but it is sheer nonsense (the only immigrants to Japan were people from the Liaoning peninsula and a few Baekje aristocrats!?!) Christopher Beckwith’s focus is clearly more about the origins of Japanese than on Goguryeo, yet does he actually make the claims that this Neojaponisme site says?
The site is Flash-based. Flash doesn’t respect browser proxy settings and doesn’t run entirely on port 80, so even if you do have a web proxy set up at the system level, if the IP check occurs in Flash, then your real IP will be revealed. You need to use a US VPN instead of a US proxy.
There is a terrific article about how Korea, Inc. never came up with an MP3 player that rivals iPod, although Korean company iRiver initially had advanced technology and strong market position. Link
The money shot:
@pawikirogii,
I have heard some valid criticisms of Beckwith. He is an old school type linguist and historian not very versed in population genetics. There’s nothing wrong with them, they are usually very good writers and produce books with interesting narratives, but I think there can be an over-reliance on literary sources and a tendency to overstate one’s case.
@ KrZ # 53
Thanks man, i tried the vpn solution too through hotspot shield, it didn’t work. I was reading on a blog apparently sites like hulu are able now to circumvent vpn’s too. They also suggested to run both hotspot shield and ultrasurf at the same time, i tried that too and…nada
life can be a major bitch
“Koreans might not but Craash apparently did; he could have pressed a claim against his employer at the labor board. He also could have enrolled in the NIH on his own pending the Board’s resolution of the problem or as an alternative. Brendon’s not blaming him for being exploited but for having permitted himself to be exploited and then whingeing about it. ”
I was in Korea for 5 years before I realized that there was a large group of people who had E-2 visas but no healthcare. I knew that there were lots of illegal teachers without it, but everyone I knew who had a visa also had a medical booklet. At first I couldn’t believe that these people existed, but then I started to meet more and more of them and each time I did my reaction was not to blame them but to encourage them to get covered as soon as possible. They mostly avoided the issue or changed the subject, happy to pretend it wasn’t an issue, but I did help a friend once by going in and talking to her boss about it. He promised up and down that he would insure her, but never did and she eventually quit. Her next two employers tried the same nonsense, too. Very few of these teachers were the kind of people that would have pressed their claims at the labour board. They spoke no Korean at all and were mostly terrified of their bosses. I suppose you’ve got to fight for your right to teach English, but I can understand them if they were too scared to risk their jobs.
I guess I have some negative feelings for people who let themselves be pushed around, but my anger is far greater for those who lie, cheat and deceive their employees both foreign and Korean. For such a sad situation to exist in a country with so much money is truly heart-breaking, and when you guys blame the victim I get reminded of why I had to leave Korea. Dishonest employers and self-centred Westerners were a big part of my decision, I suppose.
Many of you are Americans that don’t really see why healthcare is necessary in the first place and believe that small government is the best government. We’ve had this discussion before and I was accused of advocating Sovietized healthcare. I think you use your visa status as houseboys of your Korean wives and your knowledge of Korean to beat up on English teachers who, yeah, can be a bit clueless but deserve help too. You guys are acting as cheerleaders for scumbag employers lining their own pockets who care more about pocketing 2 man won per month than the life of their employee. Brendon says he doesn’t help English teachers because they can’t afford him, but I guess he still doesn’t have enough money to buy a heart.
MrMao you may have some points but eventually it is impossible to help people who don’t want to help themselves
@tommy
I haven’t read Beckwith’s book so I can’t say too much about it. I’m skeptical of Beckwith’s methodology as described above in Pawi’s post @ #26, especially when compared to Turchin’s method, but I haven’t read it so maybe he makes a stronger case than it appears. There might be someone here who has read the book that might be able to answer your question.
Pawi and Minjok,
You guys can read 95% of Beckwith’s book here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=FgaUF46o1UQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Beckwith+koguryo&client=firefox-a&cd=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false
I think there is some merit with Beckwith’s theories but there is some stuff that comes completely from left field. Both Korean AND Japanese scholars have been exploring the linguistic relationship between Koguryo and Japanese since the 20′s. They have always felt that there was some kind of relationship between the two. Beckwith actually quotes from them quite a bit from his book. Was has been missing is the pronunciations of what the Koguryo words might be because we were not sure what the Old Chinese spoken during Han and Tang times sounded like. These Koguryo words preserved in the Chinese sources and the Samguk Sagi are transcribed into Chinese characters.
On the surface of it, the belief that there were two primary languages on the peninsula: northern Puyo and southern and central Han, is a theory that many Korean scholars adhere to.
Where he goes completely into left field is where he says that Koguryo and Japanese people originally came from southern China. This flies in the face of all genetic, historical and archeological information that we have. America’s best Koguryo historian, Mark Byington (which incidentally Beckwith quotes!) says that theory is preposterous (Mark told me that personally when I spoke to him). Essentially, Beckwith takes a few grains of “interesting” bits of data, namely a few Koguryo words preserved as toponyms in the Samguk Sagi in Chinese characters, then reconstructs what Old Chinese may have sounded like for the characters in question and comes up with hypothetical lexicon (of some very strange sounding words IMHO). You know what that’s like? Let’s say the U.S. went completely to shit and it ended and no one knew what English sounded like but we have the place names saved in Roman characters. Now, we don’t know how American’s pronounced Latin/Roman characters that it was preserved in. Hell, we don’t even know how the Roman’s themselves pronounced their characters, but we know how the Greeks pronounced their characters and we know that Roman characters derived from Greek characters so we use a hybrid Roman and Greek pronunciation to sound out the American place names okay? Got it so far? Okay, we know that American took and conquered a lot of land and that the place names may not be native English names so we focus on the original 13 colonies. Okay, with me so far? Then we “construct” a lexicon out of place names. New York, New Hampshire. We can probably figure out that the word “new” is a real word, but if we use a hybrid Greek/Roman pronunciation style we may pronounce the N-E-W characters as NhEwwWah, which is totally different than how actual Americans actually pronounced “new.” Then we come to names like Delaware and Massachusetts and assume they are English words! Wrong! Those are Native American words which is from a TOTALLY DIFFERENT language than English. But we take those two words and try to fit them into some pronunciation and lexicon map to come up with a theory. However, even the placement of a few place names that didn’t come from the language we are studying can throw this whole theory into a loop.
So, with the available data it’s virtually impossible to make the assertions that Beckwith makes… but… that doesn’t stop him! One scholar, a Baekje historian named David Byerly, said that Beckwith’s theory is like looking at only the skin of a elephant to try and figure out what the arms, head and ears looked like.
@ WangKon936,
I agree that Beckwith’s methodology is problematic. It reminds me of the lamp-post problem of science: A drunken man is crawling around on his hands and knees under a lamp-post. His friend asks him “what are you doing crawling around under that lamp-post?” The drunk responds that he has lost his keys and is looking for them. His friend responds “your car is over here, you have not been near that lamp-post.” The drunk responds “it is very dark and this is the only place where there is some light.”
Hulu’s blocking of HotSpot shield is based on a list of known VPNs. If I had enough pipe here I would set up a VPN and give you the pass, but my upstream doesn’t break 80kbps so it wouldn’t be much for VOD. Have you tried Fantastic Super Club? Lots of fansubbed k-dramas on there.
Alex Ferguson says “We are very interested in the progress of Park Joo Young”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhPTnMjk50s&feature=related
Hardyandtiny,
I’m just not used to japanese celebrities — who have no connection to korea — getting so much attention in korean media. Especially regarding the topic of suicide which seems like an everyday event in korea and japan these days.
Oops, this alex ferguson interview is….old.
JW, I was hanging out late in Manhattan K-town last night with around 5~6 pretty Korean girls (my fiancee’s friends) who were looking for single men. Just thought I should mention it to you.
Ha ha ha TK, I’m actually slightly more interested in chinese american girls…sorry I shoulda mentioned that by now.
I guess I should have known with Tang Wei. Well then.
If Tang Wei was a bit taller and a bit more volume, I just might end up stalking her.
@ KrZ
Jesus, thanks i’m literally close to tears, you guys are really a nice lot…sorry even Italian criminals have their soft moments
JW: Korean players have often superb control and surprising athletic power, what the South Korean national soccer team still lags is tactical discipline. Technically wise they’re second to none, the Brazilians of Asia
The Girls’ Generation are back with their latest single “Oh!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGbwL8kSpEk
We have to stick together.
To the denizens of
TheAmazingKoreanThe Hole:Obama held a Question Time-like session with Republicans on Friday; and by all accounts it was compelling TV. Obama was so masterful in showing the falseness and total bankruptcy of Republican “ideas” that Faux News broke away from its live coverage mid-way through.
Hilarious. Go to MSNBC or Salon for the video. Of course the corporate media is treating the event with its usual “GOP Says Earth is Flat; Some Dems Disagree” blase-faire-ness. Which is why nobody reads or watches them anymore. Dems meanwhile are cheering the return of the Obama they elected.
I have a copyright on “blasefairness”, by the way.
blasefairness?
blahseizfairness?
blasseizfaireness?
blahseizfaireness?
Cracks me up everytime I think about Faux News breaking away in the middle of the event because things were going so horribly wrong for the so-called Republicans. Their “ideas” are like vampires that turn to ashes outside the friendly confines or Faux and blasseizfaire corporate media.
The Girls’ Generation are back with their latest single “Oh!”
But are they back with a recycled version of Rihanna’s ‘Shut Up And Drive’?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up7pvPqNkuU
Thanks Wangkon
That was a great explanation.
It seems that with some professors pushing new ideas they focus on what they are expert in (in this case linguistics) dismissing other archeological evidence to create a whole new history. However, even just using linguistics the problems of his theory that you have shown seem enough to put it to bed. Got to admire the man for putting it out there knowing people are going to rip it apart.
Yes, “Wangkon’s” was a good bit to read.
I really wish there were more sources for the older languages in Korea and how they might have sounded.
Tommy,
That’s why theories of this kind of significance shouldn’t just be left to a linguist. On the other hand, the stuff that Jared Diamond wrote about the Japanese shouldn’t just be left to a geologist (although Jared is good at other disciplines). On the other hand, I don’t think Chris has a nationalistic agenda. He is trying to formulate a theory that made sense to him with the data he interpreted.
However, when you look at it holistically and thematically, it’s untenable. Koguryo people could not have come from southern China. Beckwith has virtually zero evidence for this.
I actually read Mark Byingyton’s PhD dissertation which was the history of the Manchurian kingdom of Puyo (Buyeo). Koguryo and Baekje people considered the kingdom of Puyo as their predecessor. In about 500 pages Mark showed textually and archeologically that Puyo and Koguryo are highly related to each other and that both of these kingdoms had much in common with other Manchurian tribes and chieftains in the last few centuries before the common era.
“MrMao you may have some points but eventually it is impossible to help people who don’t want to help themselves”
Exactly, if they don’t even ask for help how can they be helped.
I’m not american and support the Korean system, and have had occasion to benefit from it numerous times. Your argument that the Employer doesn’t care about their health enough, is rather moot when the Employee doesn’t seem to care either.
Saying that people here support the cheating Employer’s is also ridiculous (whose net would be x 2 BTW since both Employer and Employee contribute at source), they are scumbags, but if those who are being cheated won’t do anything about it, not even reporting their employer on leaving, what do you expect us to do.
If their health is such a concern to them then why didn’t they stump up the contribution themselves, yes they may have been cheated but your health is your health.
As for a lawyers heart, you don’t need a lawyer to go to the labour board, or to report the Employers to the relevant authorities, or to keep your payslips as proof you’ve been paying you’re taxes and NHICs.
wangkon, thanks for the info (belair, you out there?). even if beckwith isn’t a japanophile, i was still very suspicious of his contentions because they just didn’t seem to make sense. of course, the problem is, when you search for koguryeo, you often find his name at the top of the list. that’s why i wantted to put some info up on this subject here on a high traffic blog (thanks, robert). why isn’t prof byington publishing more?
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gangpeh, i hope you find a solution but you might just have to wait for the dvds.
To Wangkon,
The dissertation sounds like an interesting read. Pawi is right though, there isn’t much out there (In English) focused on Buyo, Gojoseon, and Goguryeo (excluding archaeological books). I am guessing that is due to the lack of conclusive primary evidence. Most general books on Korean history either use the Samguk Saji/ Samguk Yusa as the only source (obviously they are very important and unfortunately pretty much all that’s left of Korea’s historical recordings of the pre-united Silla period.) Also these books hardly give much time to that period at all, compressing pre-Joseon history into a few pages.
Is there any books out there focused on that period that aren’t based on one speciality i.e. linguistics, archaeology..?
Sorry, that should be ‘Are there any books…’
#70 nice to see the old iMac is still a style icon
Does anyone else watch this program “We Got Married”? I’d like to know: Who else is convinced that the fella Jo Kwon is doing that show to save up money to have his sex-change surgery?
Kobe is the mother f’in MAN!
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=300131002
KOBE!! KOBE!! KOBE!!!
Tommy (and others),
If you do a little digging you’ll see actually a fair amount of Korean Three Kingdom’s history available in English.
Here’s my biography:
1) A History of the Early Korean Kingdom of Paekche, Johnathan Best.
2) Medieval Chinese Warfare (300 A.D. to 900 A.D.) David A. Graff.
3) Sacred Tests and Buried Treasures, William W. Farris.
4) Emperor Yang of the Sui Dynasty, Cunrui Xiong.
5) Sources of Korean Tradition (Volume One).
6) The Genesis of East Asia, Charles Holcombe.
7) State Formation in Korea, Gina L. Barnes.
All the aforementioned are available on Amazon. This is not to mention many working papers in the English speaking academia that are out there. Surprisingly, there is quite a bit of Samguk history in the Nihongi which is why some scholars think that chunks of that book was written using lost Baekje historical books. Johnathan Best actually uses the Nihongi as a primary source and probably quotes from it a third of the time.
Oh, and I forgot:
9) The Archaeology of Korea, Sarah Nelson.
Only the congenitally truth-challenged Barack Obama could announce a “spending freeze”, followed by a budget estimate of a US$1.6 trillion shortfall for FY2010 ending Sept. 30, 2010 (against US$1.4 trillion in FY2009), and a budget proposal for FY2011 which will raise spending by yet 6% more.
However, there’s great news! By including the imaginary revenue to be collected from the Cap ‘n Trade plan which will never pass the Congress, Barack claims the budget deficit in FY2011 will be a mere US$1.3 trillion.
But Americans aren’t so dumb: Nine out of 10 voters think that the spending-freeze promise was as good as any of our President’s other promises.
I am convinced that most of the Democrats seeking re-election this fall (the ones who aren’t deciding to call it a day and retire) will be running in opposition to Barack Obama. By April this guy is going to be completely radioactive for the Democratic Party. Forty years in the wilderness for the GOP? Try back in the saddle in time for Christmas. Thanks Barack!
But for die-hard true Hope and Change believers, there’s no better time than now to stock up on Barack gear, especially now that the liquidation sale is on.
For years, I’ve danced around here and received (with a few exceptions) pretty fair and reasonable treatment from the big S company. I’ve seen other foreign employees get occasionally mistreated, and I’ve heard bad stories about how domestic employees have been mistreated. But today it happened. They fucked me. They fucked me good. And it hurt. And I’m powerfully pissed.
I’ll roll with this though, and will turn out much better than they will on the other end. Contention plans already laid. I’ll end up scratched a little, they’ll end up bruised and broken.
Don’t worry Korea, I’ll do my best to let this bitter experience affect my generally good image of you.
Vented.
**not to let
You got shit-canned?
nope.
Don’t be such a tease. Tell us what they did to you.
Oooh. Maybe it’s an intellectual-property dispute.
Maybe Lee Kun-hee touched his wee-wee.
Oh la la, anybody wanna go with me to watch this? Dogbertt? Maybe NetizenKim can join us and we’ll have a brawl of a time.
Happy Monday Cmm….
Thanks Wangkon for the book information and explanation. Also, thanks Pawi for an interesting topic.
more like an intellectual-integrity dispute.
Thanks Wangkon, you too.
Don’t want to tease you KrZ. Here it is. They are pushing me out of my beloved penthouse apartment on 강남대로. Lots of lies about why it is happening. Plenty of dishonesty, run-around, etc., about the replacement apartment. Today, it was irrevocably decided I will live in a place about half the size because of “money issues.” All this while my 2009 performance evaluation was great, the company/division had record sales and profits in 2009, and last Friday all employees (oops, all the employees except the foreign engineers) received massive profit sharing bonuses. The people getting the nice bonuses (all but the foreign engineers, I believe) are also getting massive “cost of living” adjustments to their salaries to make up for 2009′s raise freeze (to which foreign engineers WERE recipients).
My days in this country are now numbered.
Yeah, this is rotten treatment, and absolutely typical of any Korean organization that employs foreigners.
After a boffo set of results for my practice this year, I was steeling myself for the sudden but inevitable betrayal and was pleasantly surprised that it didn’t come. That just means the axe goes in my neck sometime in the future, as far as I can tell. Foreigners working in Korea simply have to expect this sort of thing and plan accordingly, alas. Sorry to hear about it…
I just hope I can hang on long enough to save up for my sex-change operation.
It is typical of most organisations in any part of the world employing foreigners…the main reason to hire foreigners is generally to exploit them, sad but true
Nice subtle hyperlink, Brendon. Good luck.
Instead of the sex-change operation, I think I might opt to spend the rest of my remaining days here as an alcoholic ublove.com manwhore, and when I can’t keep up with that anymore just take my pension from the company, pension from the gov’t, other money I exploited from this place, and my newfound STDs straight to Betty Ford and then wherever it is that Tiger is getting treated now.
Sorry to hear your ‘I’m getting screwed by The Man’ story, cmm. Don’t take it too hard. BTW, how many percent does ‘massive’ equal in your coworkers’ COLA?
I’m sorry to hear of your trial-by-treachery “cmm”. If you were Russian, you would get screwed even more than you are now and would probably have already hacked all of their toilets to explode three months from now.
I have a Korean friend who was asked to look over a CV of a foreign employee at Samsung Engineering when she worked there because of her education abroad because they could not judge it for themselves. Anyway she was shocked that this guy was in the position that he was in, from his academic background and qualifications and told them so.
Sometimes they like to weed you out by asking the 해외/유학파. I hope it was not a case like that, cmm.
Freudian slip, cmm?
In all seriousness, what’s happening to you is BS. Sorry to hear that.
cmm, that totally sucks ass. If it makes you feel any better, I have to fire somebody later this week and I’m not looking forward to it.
@88/Brendon/blaming the US fiscal deficit on Obama in general…
Ha, nice try. Hope this picture helps:
http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2010/01/federal_debt_th.html
R Elgin – that’s true, and it’s already crossed my mind. Though, if I were Russian, I’d likely be married with children, and they’d give me a larger apartment before finding a way to stick it to me.
TK – Freudian slip… when I read my typo at first I laughed at the same possibility, but I don’t think so. That’s the kind of typo that happens when you are proofreading while enduring blind rage. And thanks.
Wangkon – thanks again. Sucks ass you say? I hope you weren’t talking about my plan (@103), which seems divine. Re the firing you have to do – I know a few bureaucrats who could do it for you and feign sympathy at the same time.
gbnhj – Thanks for the clever sarcasm. Let me explain how business works for professionals working abroad, just in case it’s your ignorance that leads you to make ass comments.
In most cases, if one works as a highly qualified professional abroad, one should expect and get extra… housing, additional COLA, etc. It is additional compensation for the inconveniences of living in a foreign culture, away from the capital that one has already built up but leaving in their home country (house, car, etc.), familiarity and comforts of home, friends, and family. Professionals who choose to stay in their home country generally don’t get this nor need it as much. (But since you brought up my coworker’s COLA, my Korean coworkers who studied abroad also get apartments from the company for several years. That’s not insigificant at all.)
tuna – My academic background and qualifications are world class, and among the top of those on my team. I’m sure that is not an issue. What do you do again, btw?
Anyway, enough about this, I’ve vented more than planned or necessary and I will be fine.
What type of engineer are you anyway cmm? I don’t mean to intrude on your confidential work at present, but what was your research focused on prior to S? If you think any of that is too prying don’t bother answering, I’m just curious.
cmm,
Per this definition….
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=suck+ass
The second option, not the first one… although the first option is available to you on purely a discretionary basis…
not too prying, but I’ve said enough on the MH to become easily yokohatcheted, and the answers to all your questions could tie the pieces together. I will say, though, my Ph.D. is in chemical engineering and my background, while somewhat diverse, is largely in electrochemical related stuff.
Let me explain how business works for professionals working abroad.
In most cases, if one works as a highly qualified professional abroad, one should expect and get whats in their overseas professional contract. Now the descaling of your accommodation is a genuine complaint, If its not according to your contract then make a fuss. [If it is then you've received a bonus for a while]
However, don’t mix it up comparing apples and oranges with those on a local staff basis. Don’t complain about the lack of bonuses, compared to local staff, who typically even with the bonuses earn much less than you and typically don’t get housing etc. Crikey your accommodation on open market would cost more in wolsei than many of your co-workers salaries.
It is an option to go on the regular company pay scale, I decided not to as I didn’t want a huge pay cut and loss of benefits!!
As for Tuna (like that cmm
) I agree the personnel dept don’t always know the relevant qualifications, I have to vet them for my department. However, I also remind them that skill set does not come down to going to the “right” university or high level degree. Some of the biggest plonkers in my profession have been those with the longest list of letters up to PhD and the some of the most capable those who gained it through doing the job from the bottom up.
Wonder who’s getting the penthouse BTW, the chaebols usually go the jonsei route, is the lease up? I heard the jonsei prices have become a problem again in the area, so it might be an economic issue.
cmm, I hadn’t meant to be sarcastic, and I’m sorry if read that way. Perhaps my comment was too short, or too blunt, for what you’d been through. Still, as a fourteen-year resident of the ROK, I’d hazard to say that I’m somewhat familiar with how things are for those working abroad, and my question was genuine.
For example (and this is in no way intended as an attack), employees at most Korean firms can expect annual general salary increases (임금 in Korean), irrespective of any personal raise one might get due to increases in tenure, title, or credentials. You referred to that as a cost of living adjustment – I simply used your terminology. While companies generally offer these increases, it’s because they vary that I asked.
arghaeri -
the descaling of my accomodations is my complaint. The stuff about the bonuses was not my complaint. It is fair as I’m not entitled–I only mention that as justification of my anger, i.e. “descaling my accomodations” at a time when business is booming and the company can and are giving massive amounts of money away to the employees, my performance ratings are good, etc.
Not even close.
The penthouse lease is up; I’ve had prospectives coming to look at it already. Falling bank interest rates are indeed making jeonsei prices rise, and that’s part of the problem. But the jeonsei deposit amount isn’t really the economic price of jeonsei, is it. The company will indeed save money on me in my new apt.
gbnhj -
My apologies, I don’t see much but red, and I seem to have misunderstood. 인금인상, yes, that’s what I meant by COLA. My coworker tells me that they will get 9% this year.
I hear you. However, lost-in-translation-qualifications are more clear-cut cases than that as in the case of the CV that was shown to my friend, it was a case a former shelf-stacker (nothing wrong with a job is a job is a job) from a non-redbrick walking straight into a high calibre managerial role with all the bells and whistles. No relevant job experience prior. That’s why she was amazed.
“I only mention that as justification of my anger”
Yeah, I understand the frustration, hope the new place turns out be OK.
Yuna,
Yeah, can be a bit of that, also a lack of ability to read between the lines.
They don’t seem to pay attention to gaps in the CV and query why etc, etc…
but then again they have some strange ideas on their own CV priorities and recruitment etc including what they present to clients.
We frequently turned down people with good relevant experience and qualifications in preference to others with little relevant experience and qualification on the basis that HR thought X was clearly a better prospect because although he amjored in shelf stacking it was with SNU aka Job for Life
Anybody see that women’s boxing match on muhan dojon the other night? (http://isplus.joins.com/article/article.html?aid=1319546)
Was absolutely awesome.
I was wrong to say Barack Obama would be radioactive by April and that the Democrats seeking reelection would be running against him. They’re running against him now! Even Harry Reid is denouncing him.
President Numbnuts’ lame-duck years have started already. He’s a completely spent force. And I have a little regret over that, as I support the abolition of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” and think the gays are going to get screwed over by this guy’s political impotence. And now who will fix the nation’s most urgent problems, like the Bowl Championship Series?
iPhones, Brendon. iPads, Brendon. iMacs, Brendon. Politics, Nooooooo…..
Sorry, dude — you’re stuck with it. Enjoy the Apple talk, try to endure the politics. It’s just going to get worse for your team anyway. And that’s not my fault.
We’ll probably all be all right in the end. The question is how much pain we’ll endure in the future.
The bad news? Missouri’s Tigers somehow managed to lose to Texas A&M — at home no less. I blame Obama. And Japan™.
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