The Segye Ilbo (actually DCNews) reports that local (i.e., Korean) netizens are outraged (as they damn well should be!) at the rape and slaying of a Korean-American woman — pregnant with twins — in LA.
From the LA Times report:
A few minutes later, LAPD officers arrived and found Eun Kang stabbed to death, and the alleged attacker, a 22-year-old man, standing in her apartment.
Prosecutors on Thursday charged Boneetio Kentro Washington with three counts of capital murder with the special circumstances of multiple murders, murder during a rape and murder during a burglary. He also is charged with one count of rape and one count of sexual penetration.
Detectives are still trying to piece together what happened, but they believe that it was a random attack and that Kang did not know Washington. Court documents show that Washington had served time in a state mental facility earlier this year.
” ‘Sickening’ is the term that immediately comes to mind,” said Jim McDonnell, LAPD chief of detectives. “This suspect had no value for the sanctity of human life for the victim or her unborn children.”
Sickening sums it up just about right.
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boneetio kentro washington?
hmm…….cool name……sounds futuristic………he must be from the future!
Awful, awful news.
HT to the Western Confucian.
Very sad. Must be anguishing for family and friends.
I wonder how much time and taxpayer money will be wasted on this guy. They should just take him down to the city zoo and throw him into the lion cage.
Sickening, indeed. I’m opposed to capital punishment, but I’d hold the rope for this one. Glad they charged him for the murder of the two in the womb.
I was thinking the exact same thing, Joshua.
Nice to see the lynch mobs out so early foaming at the mouth. A crazy guy raped and killed someone in what is reported as a random unpredictable event. This is a horrible murder and that’s all.
The only reason it’s even being reported here is that the victim was Korean, so the emotional over-reactions here seem just a little contrived. Understandable if she was part of your world, but I doubt that anyone here, or even most of the Koreans reported as outraged, have any connection to her.
And very odd that the alleged murderer should be charged with killing three people — she was only four months pregnant.
Pyotr wrote:
Yes, a crazy guy randomly rapes and kills a pregnant women. The building manager comes in, tells him to stop, but he continues raping her. The manager calls the police, who come and find the guy standing over the woman’s bloody body. It is just a horrible murder and that’s all?
Pyotr wrote:
Overreaction? If the victim were “part of my world,” I would join the lynch mob and take my turn beating him with a bat to tenderize him for the lions.
Pyotr wrote:
What is “very odd” is that the guy will probably plead “not guilty,” and the state of California will have to feed and house him for the next ten years before they finally kill him. There should be an express line for murderers caught in the act of raping and murdering a pregnant woman.
I hope you’re trolling and do not really think that people cannot have compassion and empathy for strangers.
why should netizens be any more outraged about this particular crime than they should be about the equally awful crimes that take place around the world on a daily basis? because the victim is korean? i hope not…
#10
why should netizens be any more outraged about this particular crime than they should be about the equally awful crimes that take place around the world on a daily basis? because the victim is korean? i hope not…
Yes, the Korean netizens are outraged because the victim’s ethnicity is Korean.
However, the reason why it is on the Marmot’s Hole, whose readership is largely white males, is because the victim is a Korean woman and the perp is a man named “Boneetio Kentro Washington”.
Let these facts soak in your head for a bit.
sorry, my head’s a bit saturated at the moment. was that a shot at mr. marmot, whitey, or both?
If it makes you feel any better, NetizenKim, I would have posted it if the victim had been a Korean man, too.
Another Black on Korean crime to add to the ever-growing Black on every other Race statistics at the DOJ.
Any beat cop who’s worked the streets will tell you this was racially motivated even if the PC media will do backflips to avoid anything that puts blacks in a bad image.
California has a wonderful combination of underfunded state mental institutions, limited powers to involuntarily commit patients, and a lax definition of what it constitutes to be capable of functioning in society. “Well the demons stop telling him to rape and kill as long as he’s on medication, and he is capable of feeding and dressing himself, though he has no home and is incapable of working. Send him on his way!”
The Korean community worldwide is pretty small, and the Korean-American community is even smaller. In the KA community, tragic events like this are acutely felt and tend to have a ripple effect from coast to coast. We’re talking like one to two degrees of separation on average — especially if you are part of the KA community in LA, San Fran, Chicago, NYC, Baltimore, D.C., Seattle, Atlanta, etc. I’ll bet you that Eun Kang was a friend of a friend of someone either in my own or one of my friends’ networks. (I can’t even tell you how many times this was the case in the past.) Also, just b/c you don’t have any ties to a particular ethnic community, doesn’t mean everyone else is the same as you.
Doubly outraged b/c it is obvious that the perp was targeting Asians or Koreans from the get go.
Why? Because your average white/black/latino going about his daily business, even in a city like LA, would be hard pressed to come into close and regular contact with other KA’s or the KA community at large unless that person was married to a Korean and involved in the KA community. (Korean Americans represent only around 0.01% of the U.S. population.)
That being said, crimes like this against one of the smallest — and I might add, invisible — ethnic minorities in America, along with the recent spate of Asian fetish crimes, e.g., Annie Le at Yale and the african-american “telephone-book” rapist in Chicago, who looked up typical Asian surnames like Lee, Kim, Chang, Chong, Nguyen, etc. in the phone book and chose victims accordingly, especially if they sounded young and had an accent — are unfortunately representing an insidious trend in racially oriented hate crimes nowadays.
I disagree. As far as I know, the Marmot has been pretty fair and impartial about linking to the Korean world in general and discussing the Korean diaspora in specific. I’ve seen nothing in his posts or comments over the years that even slightly suggests sexism or bigotry. At worst, the Marmot can be a tad sensationalistic at times, but then again, who isn’t? Bottom line is that he is doing a great job in keeping anyone — who either has an interest or a stake in Korean affairs worldwide — up to date.
Really? The U.S. population in 2009 is estimated to be 305 million. And you say there are only around 30,500 Korean Americans? The actual number is significantly higher.
That isn’t true in L.A. and certainly not true in Manhattan, where you literally cannot walk down 23rd Street (to give an example) without hearing Korean spoken, not to mention coming into regular contact with Korean Americans while patronizing the small businesses they operate.
Fixed it for you. Next time I visit New York, I’ll be happy to give you a reading comprehension mini-lesson in distinguishing relevant and irrelevant details and drawing conclusions.
#19
Right now, my reading comprehension is telling me this sounds awfully like a come-on.
dogbertt,
You are right. Factual information like that is easy to corroborate:
According U.S. Census data for 2008 indicates the number of Korean Americans is about 1.6 million (about 0.5 percent of the population).
URL link:
Go to Wikipedia’s entry “Korean American” and then click on footnote 1.
URL link:
Go to Wikipedia’s entry “Korean American” and then click on the first “external links”.
Hmnnn, Mark L. Polansky — half korean, NASA astronaut. Has korean media profiled this guy yet?
Replying to gbevers:
There is nothing “that’s all” about a horrible murder. I was commenting on people becoming selectively over-emotional about a crime that has probably very little to do with them.
Exactly—if the victim were part of your world. But I believe she isn’t and you already in your earlier post appeared to have joined the lynch mob.
I’m not sure how beating someone and feeding him to the lions fits in a civilised judicial system.
That is completely off-topic with regard to my comment.
Replying to Sonagi:
While I can see that you might interpret me as trolling, I’m not. What I’m objecting to is the over-reactions to an awful murder that very likely has nothing to do with the commentators apart from the fact they have an interest in Korea.
Perhaps I’m wrong, and aggrandised displays of emotion about distant horrors serves some useful social function, but for me, leashing in rabid cries for extrajudicial revenge carries more weight.
Just going by your tone (I could be totally wrong,) it sounds like no one other than your immediate family and close friends would be part of your world. Is that right?
Partly. But as I understand, one’s interest in what happens to other people drops off pretty sharply the further removed they are from your “group”.
What puzzles me is the intensity of reaction on this site from what I imagine are people quite distant from this unfortunate woman. Have the commentators internalised the idea that Koreans belong to each other and are inseparable across borders and generations? Is the group border “drop-off” I mentioned above much shallower among Koreans and their sympathisers than for other nations?
I think it is.
Is this a good or a bad thing?
For me, it is a very good thing when you are at war, but not so useful when you wish to be a member of a group of civilised states doing business with each other. But that is another question entirely.
Now I’m off-topic.
@Pyotr: For those of us who live in the U.S., this story resonates as it gives rise to frustration that we live in a society that criminals feel free to engage in such behavior without fear of serious consequence. It matters not that the victim here was Korean — it could have been a loved mother, sister, wife, or daughter of any of us.
As for as the cries for revenge, well … this miscreant will at worst, get “three hots and a cot” for the rest of his worthless existence. However, many of us have the memory, if not direct, of the recent past when criminals such as this would have been dealt with by what the ACLU calls a lynch mob, but which I prefer to think of as “community organizers”. Had Mr. Washington had actual cause to fear that his punishment would include being blinded with hot pokers, castrated, anally violated with a foreign object, and ultimately, hanged until dead, even that low-IQ melanin-enhanced fellow may well have reconsidered acting upon his base animal urges.
Pyotr,
People are primed to give thought and therefore feeling to events such as this because 1) we’re human beings and 2) the event is about a type of person in a certain society that we are closely related to and familiar with.
Nobody here has given pretenses to being related to the woman or has expressed sentiment that is inappropriate. Nobody needs to justify such an absolutely typical show of empathy for the rape/murder of a young, pregnant woman. There ought to be no issue, nothing to decry. You just lack common sense.
I hope we’ll have no “innocent until proven crazy” dodges with this perp.
Truly sickening. Reminds me of this incident:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/the-body-of-a-17-year-old-girl-was-found-early-today-in-her-black-volvo-parked-in-a-lot-surrounded-by-warehouses-and-lofts-on.html
Not a Korean gal but it happened in/near Koreatown.
WangKon,
Yes, 17-year-old Lilly Burk had apparently had her throat cut and head smashed against the windsheld of her car by a stinking, 50-year-old “parolee” who was caught on tape driving her car and walking her to ATM machines, where Lily tried unsuccessfully to take out cash. He was also arrested with Lilly’s key and cell phone on him.
These murdering animals should be put to death as quickly as possible, so that they are permantly removed from the sperm pool of human evolution. Murderers of this type do not deserve a second chance to kill, and it is a waste of taxpayer money to feed and house them for the rest of their lives. The only possible use they serve are as lab rats and organ donors.
We need to wake up to the reality that murderers and rapists are a malignant cancer on our society. They need to be removed and thrown into the garbage before their sickness spreads any further.
Pyotr–does have a point–if you are a liberal, why in the world would you care about a 4 month old fetus? At least he is a consistent liberal.
Amazing how you idiots can wrangle an argument out of something as dismal as this story.
Yes a smart liberal would naturally shy away from this story–it works against the tenets of a liberal world view–from the question of rehabilitation, crime policy and the calling of a triple homicide to that of a single homicide. The more Pyotr talks from his honest liberal heart–the more difficult it is for the PR liberals to clean up the message.
What does any of this have to do with political ideologies or world views?
What I see is the typical pointless bickering of idiotic bigots like NK who attempt to turn every issue into a race war.
A young woman was murdered and I, an ordinary enough liberal, find that sad because of the loss of life involved. The larger loss of life is represented by the fact that the woman was pregnant and it’s what makes her murder sadder. But this larger life exists purely because it was the life that the woman had willed for herself. She was a mother-to-be, not a woman scheduled for an abortion the next day. In this case, I don’t mind that a greater punishment (triple homicide) reflect the greater loss, even though ultimately I don’t agree about it.
The story of Lilly Burk is sad too, actually sadder for me. But there’s nothing objective about this. Objectively, they’re both sad. “True liberals” may find every such case equally sad in a way, but may not viscerally experience the equality at all times due, purely, to a lack of imaginative resources. It’s easier to identify with the news when it involves people who are like you. It’s that simple.
This murder is important because it will move the geopolitical center of West Coast Koreans (liberals) to move slightly to center right. The story of Yoo Young-chul had a definite impact on the debate on the death penalty in Korea and was likely the single biggest reason why Korea kept it around. You can bet that this story of heartbreak will resonate in the American Korean community for some time–and if it makes it to a bigger media vehicle–perceptions on what justice should mean will include the the backdrop of what serves as justice in the ninth district.
i don’t feel like this guy should get the death sentence any more than some other guy who raped and murdered some other pregnant woman who was not korean. does that make me an unsympathetic person?
maybe that’s what pyotr’s point is..
i don’t think anyone should get the death sentence.
i don’t know how i would feel if it happened to my family because it hasn’t happened.
@27
Use of such very thinly veiled racist slurs actually starts to make NetizenKim’s suspicions look, at least in your case, well-founded.
I’m as outraged as anyone, but I prefer to focus blame on the individual rather than on the melanin in his skin.
I guess we’ll just have to agree to differ on this one as I see those who are over-reacting as lacking common sense.
Yuna wrote:
Your statement shows your hypocrisy. No death sentence when others are killed, but if it is your loved ones, you will have to think about it? Isn’t that being hypocritical?
No. She said clearly no one should get the death sentence. Then merely expressed that she did not know how she would feel if it happened to her family.
That’s honesty.
Then we’re both outraged, but I’ll be safer, because I’m a realist, rather than someone who’s worried about an anonymous puddinghead’s “suspicions”.
Oh, what do you know? Lilly Burk’s murderer was a co-ethnic of Mr. Washington’s as well.
If Reagan hadn’t softened the powers of the state mental institutions back when he was governor, this guy would still be under involuntary commitment.
Sad ending to starting family.
If we research the health history of Mr. Washington, we are very likely to find evidence of a mental health system that failed to adequately help him or his family prior to that system’s failure to provide for the safety of the population at large. KrZ is looking in the right direction at how to prevent such tragedies in the future. Some people have broken brains, making it necessary to lock them up in order to prevent harm to themselves, their families, and the public. Who will be the one to turn back the “Reagan Revolution”?
To those who think it’s odd that people who are sympathetic to Koreans (and not just ethnic Koreans) would be outraged by this murder: Well, why not?? Who says you can’t get more insulted, outraged, or emotionally hurt when you hear about something terrible that has happened to somebody you have ethnic, cultural, or even religious ties to? This is human nature. Although in a perfect world, we should feel the same grief and pain to things that happen to ANYBODY…we just don’t, as unfair as that may sound. Yes,….most people commenting on this site are outraged because the woman is Korean…..this is a blog site about …..Korea and Koreans.
lastnamekim,
Well said.
No. It may be Korean nature, but why generalize it to human nature? Things happen to Americans all the time, and I don’t become the least bit more insulted, outraged or emotionally hurt.
This is yet another example of the infamous Korean projectionism – the projection of Korean feelings onto others. It explains many of the perceived “racial prejudice” they imagine Koreans experience at the hands of foreigners, when in fact, racial prejudice has nothing to do with the percieved slights they often imagine they are experiencing.
Examples are numerous. I believe this willingness to believe the worst about foreigners stems from the imputation of their own mindset onto others about whom they really haven’t a clue.
Take for example the belief that Americans would dump substandard beef on the Korean public. They easily believed this because they knew that so many Koreans are guilty of such practices. Restaraunts recyle banchan, and pass off Australian beef as hanu, etc. I once ate at a restaraunt that pinned a strip of beef to a kalbi bone with a toothpick and passed it off as kalbi. A few days later it was announced in the news something to the effect that a dish could be marketed as kalbi if it contained 25% actual kalbi (I don’t recall the actual percentage.)
Likewise, the belief that foreign residents are on a sex crime spree, despite statistics to the contrary, stems from the behaviors Koreans know themselves to be guilty of both in Korea and abroad.
No, Koreans may take the side of other Koreans simply because they are Korean, and there may be other nationalities that are given to this perverse proclivity, but this is NOT common to all other cultures, certainly not where I come from.
Minjokjuuija, your name says it all – roughly translated, “ugly Korean.”
Yes, Koreans can take the side of other Koreans simply because they are Korean, and other groups can do the same with respect to their own groups. There’s nothing “perverse” about it; it’s the historical and contemporary norm. Even those who pretend to be above tribalism are deeply steeped in it in some form or other. And I don’t know where you “come from” but I seriously doubt that that place is completely devoid of tribalism.
Minjokjuuija-
Mizar5 is Korean. I thought everyone here knows that. That he is Korean but can think beyond Korean tribalism is a testament to his intellect and character.
# 47,
I don’t know if anybody here is particuarly upset because the lady was Korean. It was a heinous act regardless of what the nationality/ethnicity of the woman was. It was included in the blog because she was Korean. That is true. I think your conclusion here is completely uncalled for.
cmm,
You can’t be serious…
No, you vacuous contrarian, it’s not Korean nature. Members of every group of people on the planet can get “more insulted, outraged, or emotionally hurt when you hear about something terrible that has happened to somebody you have ethnic, cultural, or even religious ties to”?
It’s called identification. Identification may be cultural, ethnic, political, or religious, all or none, or based on something else. Also, neuroscientists in fact argue it’s basically hardwired and biological. Therefore, it is human nature.
What’s funny is that Mizar5 would be out of his rocker and on the same sort of tirade if kim had particularized it and called it Korean nature instead. Imagine that sort of argument, “Mirror neurons are Koreanic, genetically speaking, and Koreans are the Adam & Eve of human sympathy,” and the rebuke in response.
Thank you, Minjokjuuija, for making my point for me. I come from America, a pluralistic society, not a tribal one. In fact, it is not “devoid of tribalism.” We have our share of Koreans and other tribes. But it is not prevalent as it is in Korea.
Cmm is seldom serious, WangKon. Why don’t you crack a smile.
Would you mind translating that into proper English, alphabetman? And why would you consider a proper argument something out of one’s rocker? Furthermore, how can you pretend to know what is in my mind, and imagine how I might respond to a particular statement? Could it be you are also projecting?
Intellect? Intellect has nothing to do with this. Character? That depends on what your beliefs and values are.
Actually, I agree with #47. When Americans get into trouble overseas, it registers more with me than, say, Bulgarians. Unless they’re Red Sox fans. Likewise, I’ve lived in Korea for 13 years, so woe befalling Koreans (and ethnic Koreans) overseas will register more than, say, Cambodians.
To make a blanket statement about “human nature” is a an example of the fallacy of circular reasoning, often called begging the question. You assume to be true what you are supposed to be proving. It’s rather silly to simply defend such an argument with an additional statement of circular reasoning, is it not?
As an aside, while America is not “tribal” in this sense, there is a lot of conformity of thought going on there too. For instance, did you know that there are 7 states in which it is illegal for an atheist to hold public office? Imagine that!
Yes, Marmot, it may “register” more, but that does not necessarily morph into the emotive states Minjokjuuija is positing as a universal principle of human psychology. That’s a sweeping generalization extrapolated from a very limited sample, which, I don’t need to explain is ahem a crime of logic.
How is it that you can make a bald statement about human nature and yet discount the human faculty of intellect? Aren’t you digging a deeper hole by providing one blanket statement to support another?
PS. the Marmot has the right to agree with the statement based on personal opinion and experience. Note that he avoids the slippery slope of making a statement of a universal principle.
@54
WangKon, you’d be surprised what kind of things you’d be serious about when you see Mizar’s hand approaching you from behind. I’ll just say that being Top Shelf is a constant source conflict.
Anyway, WangKon, look at Mizar’s avatar. Now imagine it speaking everything that Mizar posts here, in a mocking, Sesame Street character-like voice, smiling. Imagine it nodding it’s head periodically and smiling while reading the responses from everyone who gets all up in arms about what comes out of the cute sock puppet’s “mouth.” Then imagine it instantly and smugly providing a comeback to every single comeback, in the same smiling puppet voice, further enraging anyone who is talking to him.
Mizar can push the buttons of posters here better than anyone, consistently. I don’t know how much he believes in the stands that he takes here, but I do believe that he is probably laughing as he is typing, and laughing at every fool who bothers arguing with him, and laughing at the fact that fools always DO argue with him. People here ARE his sockpuppets, and he gets them to say pretty much exactly what he wants them to say, and they never realize it. His persona(lity?) has got to be the most entertaining here. If anyone who’s been reading the MH for any amount of time is not bemused by Mizar and the games he plays, they are missing more than just a sense of humor.
Lots of folks have had their hand up my butt but that one gave me an orgasm.
cmm is mizar!!!
Korea has one tribe. America has many tribes. Both are tribalistic societies.
cmm is basically taking Mizar5′s solemn protestations, concerns, and grievances, and laughing at him because cmm doesn’t think it’s possible for anyone to be that deliberately stupid.
Anyway, I don’t think Mizar5 is a joke commenter. I think he’s earnest, in the same way that I think WJK is a diarrheal, scatter-brained writer and not the literary genius, or “e e cummings” of commentary, that others have claimed. One thing is just not as likely or plausible as the other. Then again, Mizar5′s arguments are rather comical. For instance, his stabs above relating to “crimes of logic” is hillarious for anyone who knows the difference between deductive and inductive reasoning.
You’re very precocious, Minjokjuuija.
Agreed.
deliberately –> indeliberately
Korea has many groups whom the Korean nationalist meta-narrative imagines as a tribe and that the the political system tries (very successfully) retrogressively to induce to think and act as such. America has many groups that its still dominant (but weakened) political ideology tries to school in thinking and behaving like citizens rather than tribesmen. Big difference.
Very good, alphabetsoup. So now you fancy yourself David Hume?
I still don’t think WJK is a literary genius.
No, but he’s improved since he came back as pawi.
Mizar, at what point can I conclude that Alpha-Betamale has joined the other socks in my drawer?
Come on abcdefg, Mizar is earnest, but not a joker? Notice how he’s been baiting pawi by calling him wjk? Does anyone really believe that? Eventually pawii is going to blow up over this, and Mizar will have accomplished his mission (sorry if I just blew your cover Mizar). OK, you are right–he’s earnest, an earnest joker. And look at his avatar again. He’s laughing at all of you.
That tickled, cmm.
let me know when your refractory period from 63 is finished.
Oh, I’m multiple. But please don’t make light of my solemn protestations, concerns, and grievances. I am not some toy for you to use and discard. Wait a minute, I can’t be serious about that, can I?
Someone equated wjk w/E.E. Cummings? ROTFL!!!
why whats wrong with ee cummings?
Nothing wrong w/E.E. Cummings… but you really drag that name in the mud when you associate it with wjk…
Good sir, then would you mind explaining to me what the point of consistently misspelling very obvious things like where he used to live? (I mean, Bed-Sty? Seriously? How can one say that when every Korean American in NYC knows what Stuyvesant HS is?) And then engaging in the most obvious overcompensation when the error is called out?
This is not the first time this happened you know. I called him out on the egregious spelling on yonton (apparently for 연탄), and he launched into some total garbage about someone dying from “yonton gas poisoning”. If there is a purpose behind it, my tiny little mind cannot grasp it.
Um…
Maybe he sees it important to keep up his persona? Or, maybe to piss off people (Koreans on the board here and others) who are pissed off that he claims to be Korean. He certainly does that successfully, all in line with what I propose he is out to do.
Yes, I remember that. And it must have gotten at you enough to make an impression. Mission accomplished.
omg, what are you? his mum?
get a room!
mizar thrives on attention. he is not very original in his arguments and recycles expressions pinched from everyone else till hell and back and is the most ingratiating persona i’ve come across and frequently slithering up compliments to those he deems powerful and people who like him – that’s my beef. he could be an adoptee, with a rejection complex for all i care, his identity is not the issue for me, his on-line personality alone is what i go by.
i’m sorry mizar. i tried to like you before. maybe you posting a little less would make me like you a bit more.
You have to know a little bit about Brooklyn neighborhoods. In those days, we never referred to it as Bedford Stuyversant but Ocean Hill. I suspect realtors had something to do with that. It’s a funny little area that borders Bushwick and Brownsville. It used to be Guidoville, and home to Murder Incorporated until the Carribeans moved in.
They made a movie about my life (other than “The Jerk”) called House of D. Only the facts were changed, but the rest is all depicted quite accurately.
“omg, what are you? his mum?
get a room!”
Yuna, that would be incest…
No, Arghaeri, technically that would be outcest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Brooklyn_neighborhoods_map.png
As the link says, “outcest (n.) sexual intercourse between non-related persons, is illegal in Alabama.
You complete me, Yuna – you fill my sock. A little projection here perhaps from the anti 2MB, No Sa Mu ugly Korean girl with the cutsey avatar. Only on MH would (s)he be considered “cute.”
?? Your link seem to be a map of you checking where Mr Stuyveseerntmerterg Bed is.
cmm:”Mission accomplished.”
Amazingly, Mission Korean Foot In Mouth is never accomplished. The comments from the self-proclaimed Koreans who missed the yontan joke were also revealing in that they also showed their utter lack of experience of the days of underfloor air flues as opposed to pipes when people were dropping like flies. And, while that’s no laughing matter when it happens to someone close to you (as it did to me) the keepers of the flame (pardon the double entendre) yet managed to bring back the levity.
It was delightful when the self-proclaimed Koreans fell over themselves in sputtering protest over a witticism, hopeful they had finally caught up with Mizar5 – classic slapstick.
To summarize:
Clueless foreigner: “How the fuck could a charcoal briquette kill a person?”
Mizar the Magnificent: “A blow to the head, you idiot!”
TK: “You clearly don’t even know what a yontan is – you can’t even anglicize the spelling!”
Sometimes all it takes is a mispelling to get these guys going.
One certainly enjoys knocking the tophat (gat) off the gent -unless of course the gent is Kim Sat Gat.
Thank you, Algheri, but that is actually a map of Greenwich Village in 1973, as I explained in #86. Only the geography has been changed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_D
Dialog from the House of D:
Pappass (Robin Williams): I’m not retarded anymore.
Tom (David Duchovny): Oh really?
Pappass: Really.
Tom: When did that happen?
Pappass: 1984. Sometime in the spring, I went from retard to mentally handicapped. And then in 1987-88, I went from handicapped to challenged. I changed again. I’m probably changing right now. Who knows what I’ll be next?
You know it’s a great film when it gets online reviews like these:
“Another lame, self-indulgent story of self discovery.”
“Unfortunately House of D is just awful, with a ridiculous plot, terrible writing, some mediocre acting, and in fact just about everything else about it is sub-par.”
Pithy criticisms worthy of a MH denizen!
BTW, Pappas went from retard to handicapped to challanged to wkj and now pawi. He’s portrayed these days by TK.
cmm,
I can see that Mizar might want to try to impersonate a Korean. But what’s the motivation for him to try to impersonate a New Yorker (and fail at it)?
But whatever. Either way — whether he is making his errors deliberately or inadvertently — it’s pretty pathetic to impersonate something you are not for such a long time.
書堂乃早知
學童諸未十
房中皆尊物
訓長來不謁
My chinese yuhaksaeng friends tell me they have no clue what this means, TheKorean. Whaaaaat’s going on here?
email me.
Good retort there, Pappas.
oops, did I mispell Pappass? Here we go again.
Lol. Out of the mouths of sock puppets…Where’s cmm to pat me on the back?
Whatever dude. You don’t even know what that means. Hint: it’s how I feel about MH comment board.
No, I don’t know what it means. And I couldn’t be bothered looking it up.
However, as you have just alluded, it appears to be something scatological, just as suspected. However, rest assured, it does prove you’re not a retard. A real face saver.
Game, set and match.
Yes, TK, you thoroughly trashed me. Gibberish always does the trick.
I think it’s time for Marmot to take out the ax and fire Mizar5 from the roster here. If cmm is right- and Mizar5 has acquiesced to cmm’s description of himself- then by definition Mizar5 is a troll. Robert, please ban the troll.
HAHAHAHAHA the fact that you (1) don’t know what it is and (2) think it’s a gibberish a clear sign of who you are, and who you are not.
Such a simple trap, and it worked so easily.
You mean it’s not gibberish? What is it some kind of foreign language?
That’s cute, playing dumb like that. Figure it out on your own, jerkoff.
I’m not playing dumb. I am dumb, as well as deficient of character, since you jumped in here at #69 expressly to turn this into a referendum on my character. Surely you must have known that when you wrestle a pig, you just get dirty, and the pig likes it.
That’s the best comeback you could muster, o mighty leader of trollz? This exchange told me everything I need to know about you.
Sorry to interupt, but here is a photo of Ms. Eun Kang:
http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/crime/murder-rape-pregnant-venice/
Looks like a driver’s license pic. Any ways, you guys may continue…
Nah, you didn’t interrupt anything. I’m done here.
what he does serve at the expense of making a total something of himself is that for the “anti-korAm(?)” population who might not agree with his points but just feels good to have ones back scratched albeit in a painful way.
(kinda like what wjk was to some koreans, but at least he was an original)
i have yet to see the ax swing this way.
foot in mouth – and he’s not even pinching to use it in the correct context. if he were a nice guy like joey on friends, i would consider this denseness cute but no.
연탄가스중독 for most younger generation who were born and lived in apartment blocks this was not something we grew with..though we ‘d heard of cases mostly in poorer areas, i don’t even know what your point is. that you are an old man or that you didn’t live in an apartment block while you were in korea? you know some things about korea but your mistakes are not the usual spelling sort- you just don’t speak the language.(only the very basics) so please don’t pretend on this point.
mizar if you want to be some sort of check on koreans who speak english then do the job properly. don’t resort to pretending you speak the language, know about things you don’t know about and null-arguments filled with terms pinched from others.
I second the motion.
Third.
My exchanges with Mizar are generally cordial enough… but I can see how he irritates (needlessly so) other people.
If Mizar5 is worthy of a ban, then half the people on this comment forum shouldn’t last either.
書堂乃早知 if you understand the book hall early
學童諸未十 then studies will taste ten times better
房中皆尊物 in the room with a finger
訓長來不謁 it may be long but not easy
HAHAHAHAHA pawi I gotta love you man. The poem is meant to be vulgar, but your (mis)interpretation took it to another level.
I have absolutely no problem with that.
In the “Recent Comments” toolbar on the right side of the page, it hides quoted text from comments, so I was disturbingly surprised to see this thekorean on Korean-American Woman, Pregnant with Twins, Raped and Murdered in LA
I have absolutely no problem with that.
theKorean says:
“I have absolutely no problem with that.”
Neither do I. But “true” Americans like Mr. Koehler tend to over-estimate the value of free speech
No. Rob is just a good capitalist (and libertarian)!
just trying to add a little fun, tk. btw, this chinese slang is hilarious:
五打一
명백?
아니요. 무슨 뜻이죠? 알 것같기도 한데.
What have I done?!
I assure you abcdefg, I was wrong and just making that up. As pawii knows, I sometimes trot out conspiracy theories that I don’t believe, like a “what if” episode on The X-Files. Mizar is no troll.
‘mizar5′ has a personal profile at a site called ‘adultism’ here [VERY NSFW]…….*please be warned*……..it is VERY VERY GRAPHIC with many OBSCENE pictures…….some statements from the profile that mizar5 himself made include: “self suck” and “Love women,have been with men and couples. When alone, I suck myself. Please send comments and email”……….
I think Robert should ban Mizar5 and at the same time appoint me a co-blogger. I think that would raise the quality of this blog many fold.
according to the profile mizar5 made it 5 years ago when he was in korea………..
don’t want to be too vulgar but it’s slang for ‘masturbation’.
you know, ‘five’ hits ‘one’. i thought it was funny when i learned that it. have a good day.
mizar5 just logged into his profile and deleted it the incriminating parts……….
@Yokohamaet:
You deserve to be banned for that link. Ack! I don’t mind ogling Sperwer’s shaved torso, but I really didn’t need to see Mizar’s dick. Did get a chuckle out of the egg carton trick though. Reminds me the hairy eyeball trick that a friend who worked in a photo developing lab once saw.
i just checked his profile……he deleted all the photos and everything…..his status is “online” right now……he’ll probly be “offline” soon though after he’s done deleting evertyhing.
hey……i warned people though significantly……….didn’t try to trick anyone with the link……..
You’re evil, Yokohamet, pure evil.
apparently he changed his profile again……..he’s in ‘algeria’ now ……..
i’m evil……….but at least i don’t put up photos of me fellating myself online ……..
Thank god I made up “cmm” for this site and use it only for K-blogs…
well we’ve finally resolved that question…….no more mysteries………mizar5 is apparently a white guy who enjoys being with men and sucking his own junk……..and posting pics of him administering oral on himself……..what a cool guy……..a real mensch.
I don’t think Robert will need to ban Mizar because I don’t think he’ll be back. We know too much.
Um, so I guess what we are all wondering was… you can tell from his junk that Mizar is white?
Surely he was framed. He’s too smart to use the same name here as he would at a site where he would post such pics.
He’s probably just not at his computer right now, doing his laundry instead. Taking care of his socks.
BTW, I didn’t follow the link, so I’m curious, how does one fellate one’s self?
Yes. I’d rather not elaborate as that would conjure up shocking images that have tarnished the eternal sunshine of my formerly spotless mind.
i’ll sum up for any readers who missed out…….our ‘mizar5′ had a personal profile at some social networking site for perverted degenerates called ‘adultism’……….according to the profile it was made in korea 5 years ago………his personal profile included various pics he took of his penis and of him fellating himself……….he left some comments at his profile including such gems as: “self suck” and “Love women,have been with men and couples. When alone, I suck myself. Please send comments and email”…………after seeing the link i provided above ‘mizar5′ quickly went into his profile and changed it……….which is why it says for country ‘algeria’ and ‘mizarv last seen on Dec 16, 2009′
The page was wiped clean almost right after the link was posted.
cmm, you’re like Linus waiting for the Great Pumpkin.
-”Um, so I guess what we are all wondering was… you can tell from his junk that Mizar is white?”-
most of the pics were of his penis…….but in some his body was visible in the background of the photo……..and like i said there were several pics of him fellating himself so his face was partially visible……
Mizar5′s page is pretty much a blank.
What did I miss?!
You can find out in Google Cache.
Sonagi,
LOL, as if this Luddite knows how!
Wow. Just, wow. I’m completely speechless.
I dunno Sonagi, would a spotless mind dive eyes-first into a link marked, “[VERY NSFW]…….*please be warned*……..it is VERY VERY GRAPHIC with many OBSCENE pictures…?”
won joon choe……..’mizar5′ completely cleaned his profile almost immediately after i provided the link………but i left a summary at #146
ㅠㅜ
yokohamaet, if you’ve scared Mizar off, who do you propose replace him as my muse?
No TK, I’m just playing, and trying to help him out with an alibi.
You can’t be serious. In case you are, Google “mizarv site:adultism.com” and click on the cache link in the results. You might want to put on a pair of welding goggles first to protect your eyes when you try to gouge them out.
cmm…….im sorry i scared off your friend like that……..but rather than a muse, you and all of us probly need security details or something……we probly have a sociopath on our hands……….
I am absolutely not. People have different proficiencies in different things
But thanks for the precise instruction!
cmm, this is what i meant when i said robespierre that time. once you set the mob guillotine in motion it comes your way sooner or later..
WOW…
What he said.
arrrrggggghhh. my eyes. my eyes. and i didn’t even click on all the links..
sonagi thanks for such a precise instruction.
someone should get a screen capture of that cached page……..like garlic..crosses..and holy water…….it wards off vampires and demons
All I have to say is the guy using the handle “mizarv” and sucking his own penis definitely appears not to be ethnically Korean. I knew it!
I am impressed at the flexibility involved in Mizar’s self-sucking (this guy must do yoga), and in awe of the detective skills of yokahamaet. Hats off, brother!
Mr. Carr,
The one graphic link I clicked on had a lot of penises that looked like they belonged to different folks. Are we sure if any of them were actually Mizar5′s penises?
Finally, Marmot’s Law rears its ugly head (or gets an erection.) Its most infamous troll is chased away by pictures of his penis. I cannot think of a more appropriate ending for this whole saga.
I seriously wish one of you were in my office. I am laughing so hard I can’t control myself. All I can think of is how many different jokes I can make with this stuff.
Well, no, we can never be sure that any of those penises are in fact Mizar’s penis. This really seems like a job for our resident expert on penises, “Dr.” wjk. If only the banhammer had not been wielded in haste!
But we can be sure that the guy posting on Adultism.com as mizarv also is not Korean, no matter whether any of the white-guy penises or self-fellators is in fact Mizar himself. See the photo of the 23 year-old girlfriend, and note how he seems to be bragging that she’s “Asian”. So far as I know, an Asian girlfriend is no great shakes if you’re Korean.
I’m going to have to send this over to Samsung. My associate just joined their legal department. We have two partial images of Mizar’s face (with his own penis entering his mouth), including a profile of his schnozz and lower jaw. We have a timestamp in that these photos were posted to Adultism five years ago “in Seoul”. We have Mizar’s own statements that he was a big wig in marketing at Samsung. Surely someone there will recognize his handsome profile, and then we’ll all have a good laugh.
소리없이 흘러내리는 눈물같은 이슬비
누가 울어 이한밤
i think that might be mizar.
goodbye, mizery.
don’t ever fuck with yokohamaet.
cmm, i’m surprised your judgement was so impaired.
Lol, glad you guys are having a bit of fun.
LOL.
I admit it. I thought he was at least a Korean adoptee. I suspended my suspicions for posting sake.
A sicko. Hey, Mizar, what kind of strawman, fallacy is sucking one’s own dick? Circularity? Heheh.
Please ban.
next time I’ll put up a flashing banner that says sarcasm.
And, I suspect Mizar will be back.
Was that a punn, cmm?
Oops, I guess he has already come back.
I have no interest in viewing the incriminating evidence.
In light of what has been revealed, it’s now very clear to me why he was so loudly and adamantly opposed to some of my more “colorful” screeds.
‘Please ban.’
yes, please do.
Oh, the irony of this statement. We knew not then the games he plays.
Note to self: When trolling Internet pervert boards for dirty sex or uploading picture of my junk, make sure not to post under name “Brendon Carr”.
I try not to engage in personal insult, but in this case it’s actually a statement of fact:
Hey auto-cocksucker. Get lost. Haven’t you been embarrassed enough?
Embarrassed? Well, if you’re not, neither am I. I love a good mob.
Brendon Carr…now there’s an idea. We’re all over it.
Thanks, buddy. Make sure it’s something appropriately lurid.
White boys always love sucking on their own dicks.
When I wrote these words on Dec 3, 2009 under the Bonojit Hussain’s ‘Crusade Against Discrimination’ thread
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2009/12/02/bonojit-hussains-crusade-against-discrimination/#comment-354285
I had no idea it would materialize into a literal reality in the case of Mizar.
Don’t worry barrister, I’ll make sure it’s a real cock and balls story.
NK, I will never doubt you again.
Sonagi said
Sunshine is not eternal,
and the lotus blooms in muddy water.
Since all is originally empty,
What is there to tarnish?
w/ apologies to Hui Neng
Thanks, Sperwer, a great point.
I don’t even know where to begin with this mess, other than to say red cards will soon be handed out.
just get me some ben gay.
speaking of guillotines, cmm, are you going to play Sydney Carton for the Cocksucker Darnay?
Look on the bright side, Mizar. You are no longer a Mystery Meat.
I thought I was a misfit but you totally raised that bar quite a bit.
Wouldn’t you rather have some of that CJ gochu-jang that WangKon now is pimping for CJ in the States
Maybe you should read posts before commenting on them…
huh-hut huh-hut, you said gochu.
Sure, why not. For starters…
Suddenly multiple calls for his ban… for what crime? Having a profile on a different website under a different name? Getting outed by an (with all due respect Sir Yokohamaet) overzealous (and quite skilled I must say) internet detective as an auto-fellating swinger with occasional bisexual tendencies? For having a private life that was different from what he portrayed here (haha)? For having a “skill” of which you are jealous? Is this an anti-gay site? Does it bother you to share a Hole with someone with his kind of secret lifestyle? Would you also propose that his ban be accompanied by a vetting of all remaining posters… by His Excellency Yokohamet….. to make sure that we have a fair playing field? There is really no new case to ban him.
Mizar is obviously the victim here. Minding his own business, making the same kind of comments for which he’s been known for years.
How was that TK?
Anyway, what would a ban do? If he continues to post here, he’ll be met with the same comeback each time: “Mizar, go suck yourself.” Fair or not, his image has be “tarnished.” If he doesn’t mind going on, why should you mind that he does?
Sir Yokohamet will probably be getting a red card, whatever that means. Any “time out” he might get (considering he has been warned already) is just more time for him to do more research. Yikes.
Thank you, Marmot’s Hole, for making the last day of the final extra, extra special. And thank you, Mr. Brendon Carr, for recommending OpenDNS to me. It has deemed the autofellatio pic unsuitable for my sensitive, innocent eyes, and protected me from what I already know from hearing about Marilyn Manson.
On a similar subject, I’ve been told that, in order for an average-sized male to perform this… act, he needs to have his lower rib surgically removed. Is that true?
MAMA MIA!!
I did; that’s why I concluded you’ve volunteered to be their tout – not exactly a new role for you in regards to things Korean. All publicity is good publicity, as Donald Trump and Dennis Rodman reminded everyone last evening on Larry King in their comments on Tiger (in whose tank?)
Ahhh, I’m done with finals TODAY also, bumfromkorea. Boy am I glad I got advance warning about this stuff…thank you final exam!
That was a spirited defense, cmm. Hats off to you. You sure got the “same comeback” thing right — I might stash that picture in a far corner of AAK! somewhere and link to it every time the auto-cocksucker dares to say anything.
Sperwer,
I posted about it because I thought it was funny actually. You really don’t seem to have much of a sense of humor, which is why I’m not surprised that you didn’t get it.
i don’t think mizar should be banned either, because i don’t think anyone should ever be (or have been) banned.
cmm, good for you. i admire people not jumping ship. his identity was never the issue. i just didn’t like his personality and wrong/weak arguments. i don’t care what he does in his spare time either.
이런 꼴통은 첨이다 진짜. 대박이에요 대박.
그러게 말이여….모두 웃다가 돌아가시겠네요….
난 이제 영원한 Marmot Hole 팬이에요. 절대로 떠나지 않겠소.
I am not sure if my vote matters at all, but for the record, I still vote for ban — even stronger than I did previously. He has been exposed as a chronic liar. For years the auto-cocksucker spewed this bullshit about his supposed Korean lineage. This whole thing makes it crystal clear that auto-cocksucker was only concerned about getting a rise out of people, and he would lie over and over again for it. Not a one-off white lie, not an exaggeration arising out of a passionate discussion, a calculated lie perpetrated over several years. It matters little for me that he won’t be able to do it again. The damage he has caused so far is enough to warrant a ban.
그러게 말이에요. 내가 열심히 생각해서 만들어낸 김삿갓 트랩이 한순간에 무용지물… 푸하하하하하하 진짜
Oh, I “got” it WK, but yeah I don’t find your Korea boosterism and all its permutations humorous, cute or amusing, except in the way I find the shenanigans of anubis baboons in a zoo mildly ridiculous
But if those pics and site really are mine, every time someone says that, it will be with a twinge of envy, because I’d just shrug and and do it!
Do you really suppose my anonomous floppy little puppet’s reputation has been tarnished? I’ll just have to invent a new one!
Auto-cocksucker, please stop referring to “floppy little” anything. I don’t want to be reminded of the picture.
to be fellating yourself in korea of all places…….where you can buy a BJ for just a few won conveniently at any hour of the day……..you have to be one truly twisted, sick, degenerate subhuman fuck……….if you were stranded in the gobi desert with no mammals in the vicinity…….then perhaps it *might* be excusable…..but it would still be suspect since your hands are fine…………
JW 선덕여왕 보고 있소? 귀엽게시리…
I don’t think Mizar’s dissimulations were what “got a rise” out of people – although I’d be careful given the Salem witchhunt now underway admitting that they gave you wood; it’s been his unwillingness to let other commenters get away with unrequited expressions of thier own prejudices. Making himself a lightning rod for their stupidities is a classic “trickster” strategem for expsoing others’ foibles (and worse). If just trying to provoke people were cause for excommunication, then, as others already have noted, most people on here would have been exiled to a small island off the southwest coast of Jeolla-do where they could play Lord of the Flies.
Something tells me that Mizar will not go silently into the night. He will not easily…ahem…shrink from the fray. I am pretty cocksure of this.
Can someone also please inform Kushibora that he’s been dethroned from TMH’s Hall of Shame and that he can come back now?
흐흐흐 유나씨. 그냥 나온 말인데 우짜죠. 전 사극 별로…
Lol, NK. Quite a cock in cheek comment, that.
Is the comment shut down? I was gonna say Kush is all over it already.
I don’t find your condescension and the fact that you compare posters here to monkeys “humorous, cute, or amusing” either.
I think you mean she, and sweet jesus, hell no.
I doubt Mizar was ever tenured anywhere with Samsung. I doubt he has children. That thing about “Bed Sty” is revealing too.
Just ban him. Stop his making a farce of our time. He’s wasted more than enough of it, and that’s been the whole point of his account.
IHBB, I gotta say, I never thought there would come a day when your gravatar would be a PG material.
Dude! We have a picture of his SUCKING HIS OWN COCK and Samsung is what you’re worried about?!!
I agree — nobody should ever be banned from the Marmot’s Hole. And no vetting! I don’t want anyone coming around to check if I’m “average-sized”, or to count my ribs.
oh, come on sperwer. what are you doing? take another point to defend him
his arguments were just pathetic and wrong most of the time..
he switched so pathetically between fawning to vicious maligning depending on whether he felt liked or not (except for those he thought were powerful like robert) never mind his pathetic arguments…
Good, then you almost understood what I said. If you read more carefully, you’d also see that I didn’t compare anyone with a monkey. I also imagine the baboons would be upset at you for confusing them with monkeys.
The only new revelation today is that he might be able to blow himself.
Besides, he was outed as a non-Korean long ago, more than once, I believe. The last was several months ago. Maybe you were on hiatus. I’m not sure, but since then, I don’t think he has claimed Korean heritage since then.
I guess the most important thing to remember here is that this is not court. This is Robert’s Land. The only real law here is don’t piss Robert off too much. Had Mizar pissed Robert off too much, by any of the charges you make here, he would have been banned already. Having a self-sucking photo on adultism.com is not something that will piss Robert off if it’s not linked to this site at all. Mizar didn’t link anything like that to Robert’s site, did he.
Damage? to what, someone’s feelings? because of something that was written by an anonymous cocksucker on the internet? Sounds very… damaging. Come on TK, you can ban him from your AAK, and you can keep his self-fellatio picture on your site too (which is kinda strange, if you ask me), but realize that Mizar being outed as a guy with interesting hobbies with no relation to this site is no reason to be banned from a site run by a guy with libertarian tendencies.
How was that?
Personally, I’m enjoying the whole affair. The site was cute, and the reactions precious. I note the email address was manufactured, and the pics were obviously web shots. The main pic even had a watermark logo. However, I thoroughly congratulate the trickster behind it, and will happily take all credit, being proudly known henceforth as auto cocksucker rather than mystery meat!
go brush your teeth
Want some from my tube, yoko ono?
Solid, cmm. If I was billing to the auto-cocksucker rather than my large corporation client, I would have written it the same way.
Let’s just hope Mizar’s kids don’t frequent the ‘Hole. Seeing dad sucking his own hog probably isn’t the xmas present they were hoping for.
Please. Don’t be coy and try to wriggle out of it. Go back to defending the guy who sucks his own dick.
“…and Samsung is what you’re worried about?!!”
I’m not a worried about anything here. This blog is ultimately just a forgettable diversion for me, as I’m sure it is for you.
That said, there’s a principle here I’d like to see executed: The banishment of obvious trolls and fake accounts.
Sure, one can argue that half of the people here have trolled around and posted inflammatory posts. OK. But not everyone IS a troll. I’m not posing as an expat and posting to get a rise out of expats. My account wasn’t created for that reason. If some Korean created such an account, I’d have him banned too. What’s more, I’m pretty sure all the apologists here- Sperwer, Cmm, Ihbb- would be pushing for his ban as well.
Just make him stop wasting anyone’s time.
Shhh, Mizar, or you’ll spoil the fun. Next, you’ll be insisting that a middle-aged man could not possibly manage a pose seen in a particular photo.
If only the “person framing you” hadn’t deleted the mizarv account in a panicky moment immediately after a link was posted in this thread, I might be inclined to believe such a claim of a frame-up. After all, your handle is inspired by science fiction and you’re not the only nerd to have taught English in Seoul.
But who would delete the incriminating material upon its discovery? Wouldn’t he want to let you stew in it for a while? And what kind of fiend would lay such a trap for you five years in the past, lurking here on the Marmot’s Hole monitoring every comment thread for just the right moment to erase it all?
Good luck to you and OJ in your search for the real killers.
Now, if you’ll excuse me I’m off to locate a yoga studio to sign up for classes.
Actually, I have a better idea. Can we let auto-cocksucker stay in this thread only, kind of like a zoo? That’s what I did with the most virulent troll I have encountered at AAK.
There you go, Carr, outing me again. Just when folks were starting to think I was white.
Guilt by association, eh. Very classy. Very Korean. You should be proud!
Oh, theKorean, it’s so great to see you so gleeful. Surely, a nice guy like you would never beat your kids. I knew you were only joking.
Supreme hypocritical moral self-righteousness. How very Yankee Puritan. You shouldn’t just be proud, you should look down on everybody else in the world! Oh wait, you already do!
What’s that? I can’t hear you. You gotta take your cock out of your mouth before you speak.
No, Sonagi, I wouldn’t want to disillusion you.
Bravo, TK, that’s the most intelligent argument you’ve made on this site for a month!
abcdefg, the dubious claims of Korean heritage have been well known here for years, and Robert even made several jokes about the issue if I remember correctly. It wasn’t ban worthy previously, so how do the dick pics change the equation?
I’m not against bringing the banning axe when it’s warranted, but I don’t see anyone making a decent argument for it here. If misrepresentation itself wasn’t ban-worthy (and clearly it wasn’t), then why is misrepresentation plus dick pics ban worthy?
‘If only the “person framing you” hadn’t deleted the mizarv account in a panicky moment immediately after a link was posted in this thread, I might be inclined to believe such a claim of a frame-up. But who would delete the incriminating material upon its discovery? Wouldn’t he want to let you stew in it for a while? And what kind of fiend would lay such a trap for you five years in the past, lurking here on the Marmot’s Hole monitoring every comment thread for just the right moment to erase it all?’
exactly. if you had been smart, you would have left the account alone. then, your claim that you’ve been framed would at least have some plausibility. the fact that the info was deleted so quickly after yoko’s announcement exposed you. for someone so smart, you’re not so bright.
what you do in your private life is your business. i don’t really care if you auto fellate. if that’s your thing, that’s your thing. i don’t give a shit. i just wish you actually had the ability to speak to us real koreans instead of pretending to be one.
And to think, formerly I was tried and convicted only of the crime of having tongue in cheek!
Because previously, it was “suspected misrepresentation”. Very likely, but no smoking cock in the mouth, so to speak.
There’s no friggin way you can get that flexible without a *man* pushing you, uh, from behind. No way man.
But don’t you see, pawi, that the crime of speaking while white is greater than all the others? Better to be a self sucking Korean than an uppity white guy.
ROTFLMAO. You’ve got even less sand than I thought. Not even a pretense of an argument. Just name-calling. And you obviously didn’t pay too close attention when you were in the sodang and the subject was Analects,XIII, 3. I’m not a yankee, not a protestant (let alone a puritan) and I don’t look down on anyone except those whose presumption so obviously exceeds their abilities. Hie thee back to the embrace of the Borg, fledgling; you aren’t even in the right neighborhood, let alone the ballpark.
You can’t see it, but the over-saturation of autofellatio jokes in this thread is literally killing me. Knock it off before I suffocate to death.
JW, what is it you’re asking of me?
This thread is out of control. Time to lock it, perhaps?
For the record, I am still not fully persuaded that website is Mizar5′s creation or that it contains Mizar5′s self-fellating photos), though Mr. Carr made some powerful counter-arguments. (But if someone were to frame Mizar5, wouldn’t the perpetrator actually delete once the victim is “outed” to induce one to think it’s the victim who is panicking? Besides, why should Mizar5 panic when no one knows him as other than “Mizar5″? It’s not as if his “good name” is at stake.)
More germane, I still don’t see why Mizar5 should be banned, even if he were indeed the proprietor of the rather, um, interesting website. He is predictable and takes extreme (trolling?) anti-Korean positions, but they are no more extreme than those of some of the regulars who have better reputations here.
Let’s face It: Aren’t the majority of the posters here either reflexive Korea-bashing ex-pats or Pavlovian “my country & my people can do no wrong” nationalists or apologists?
For the love of god, please don’t lock the thread. I don’t think I’ve had this much fun on an Internet message board ever.
“If misrepresentation itself wasn’t ban-worthy (and clearly it wasn’t), then why is misrepresentation plus dick pics ban worthy?”
It’s works by recursion or reverse induction: Pix of self-dick –> Not a Korean –> Has the agenda of a troll. One thing confirmed the other which confirmed the last. Mizar5 ought to get the ban because it’s clear now who he really is.
If you only “suspected” that the claim was bullshit, then you’re either new here (which you are) or you haven’t been paying attention.
Given that he gave up the claims several years ago, and many on this site referred to the claim both jokingly and condescendingly to him numerous times since then, the argument doesn’t hold much water.
‘Pavlovian “my country & my people can do no wrong” nationalists or apologists?’
wjc, after they get done attacking us, i’ll get back to arguing with you.
‘But if someone were to frame Mizar5, wouldn’t the perpetrator actually delete once the victim is “outed” to induce one to think it’s the victim who is panicking?’
hmmmmmmm……
Who cares if he’s banned. Like people said, if we really want the comment board clean, lots more have to be banned, and that obviously ain’t happening.
Sorry, but that’s just ain’t true. I am so spent from laughing that I don’t have the energy to search, but as recently as a few months ago the auto cocksucker was vigorously defending his Koreanness, about how his relatives died from carbon monoxide poisoning from charcoal briquettes.
@WJC
I agree that Mizar shouldn’t be banned, but Brendon Carr’s most convincing argument would be that the website was made five years ago… if this indeed was an internet hit job, that would mean our hypothetical Mizar-detractor planned this operation out to take at least five years…
I honestly don’t think Mizar can do any “harm” or get any rise out of anyone anymore. I mean… now all I can think about whenever I see the name “Mizar5″ is
I mean, yes, now we know for sure Mizar5 isn’t a Korean and he’s been lying the whole time… but apparently Robert already knew that. And since the decision is his, I don’t think this extremely amusing yet ultimately impact-less event is going to change his mind in any way.
By the way, I just want to say thank you… for making this rather tiring day filled with laughter.
That’s bullshit. Kyopos and expats have been arguing with mizar5 about his not being a Korean for months, even recently. It was never a settled issue. If it was settled in your mind then that’s you, blueballs. But don’t project that on everyone else.
You tolerate a bullshit, anti-Korean imposter, even when knowing that he’s an imposter, and now you support him. You have a lot of character.
Pix of self-dick (irrelevant) –> Not a Korean (well-known and previously not ban-worthy) –> Has the agenda of a troll (opens the door to lots and lots of others being banned depending on how you define troll…if the definition is annoying and voluminous posting…get ready to cut 50% of the roster).
OK, I’ve just banned Mizar5 and yokohamaet, and I’m closing this thread (sorry, thekorean).
I, for one, would welcome that.
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