In yet another piece on Korean race issues, the New York Times tells of the multicultural baby boom taking place in Korea’s countryside:
Just a few years ago, the number of pregnant women in this city had declined so much that the sparsely equipped two-room maternity ward at Yeonggwang General Hospital was close to shutting down. But these days it is busy again.
More surprising than the fact of this miniature baby-boom is its composition: children of mixed ethnic backgrounds, the offspring of Korean fathers and mothers from China, Vietnam and other parts of Asia. These families have suddenly become so numerous that the nurses say they have had to learn how to say “push” in four languages.
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This increase is coming as South Korea’s overall birthrate has fallen to about 1.22 children per woman of child-bearing age, one of the world’s lowest rates. While many Koreans say they hope that the rising number of mixed children will help rejuvenate their rapidly graying society, they also say they fear that a failure to assimilate them could create the sort of poor, alienated underclass of ethnic minorities they see in the United States and Europe.
While traveling around, I’ve had the chance to talk with a couple of countryside school teachers about this. All agreed it’s a pressing issue, with the biggest problem — cited in the article — being that the mothers’ lack of Korean skills hinders their ability to help their children with schoolwork.
Interestingly, the Chosun Ilbo ran an editorial on “the right approach to care for multicultural families,” noting Bucheon’s dispute with the Pearl S. Buck Foundation.
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Korean single moms who have to give up their babies to international adoption and these poor farmers need to get together and maybe tie the knot. It would have prevent alot of complication and heartache especially for their offspring. And there would be no need for korea get other countries involved in its social problems.
Meh. I reported the exact same thing, with the exact same analysis, three years ago: Link
NYT has been plagiarizing me!
‘And there would be no need for korea get other countries involved in its social problems.’
can ya tell me how the pearl s buck association came to be?
‘And there would be no need for korea get other countries involved in its social problems.’
it’s interesting how the english teacher (ET) speaks with a forked tongue. while he likes to paint third world brides as victims (pssst, it’s about the korean guy), he’ll talk about a korean lady with a gi as someone looking for the big px in the sky.
that makes the ET inconsistent. for instance, this brian dusch from cholla loves to go and on about vietnamese brides being abused by their yemaek husbands but doesn’t say a word about all those amerasian babies left by his fellow americans. of course, an amerasian doesn’t usually have a korean man to bully around. this brian is selfish and rude because he isn’t concerned about vietnamese brides at all, he’s interested in taking pot shots at korean men. this makes him dishonest like so many other ETs.
if your problem is korean namja then you need to be honest and stop using immigrants as subterfuge for what’s really going on.
i’m tired of hearing ET’s bullshit about koren men as wife beaters.
Pawi — Might I suggest that if you have issues with Brian’s blog, you should take them up with him on HIS blog.
seriously, why Korea is complaining about lack of babies when Korea export so many orphans to overseas? stupid South Korean politicians are clearly not thinking
my post was not about the guy but rather about ETs in general. i was simply using mr dusch as an example. that’s why i never mentioned his blog.
So, Pawi, you are saying that foreign brides in Korea, and particularly those in the countryside do not in any way experience violence, emotional abuse, racism or mental health issues?
It’s surprising how fast the mother’s lack of Korean skills are mentioned in these cases. Nothing about the thousands and thousands of Korean kids going to foreign schools and foreign countries whose mothers are not precisely “foreign language experts”.
Nonetheless P-bag, Robert has a good idea. Why don’t you hang out at Brian’s blog for awhile instead of here. Come back in about 5 years.
why can’t ET ever address the issues? sure foreign brides have problems, but the fact that many of them don’t is something i’ve never see any ET talk about. listen, don’t give me your bullshit; your interest is in bashing korean men. you’re not interested in the plight of the brides.
lastly, i have no problem with brian. i think he’s swell. i was simply using him as an example. as for my posting there, i’m sure he’ll huff and puff and blow my post into oblivion since he seems to like censorship and all. besides, i only post on quality blogs.
you never see a goose in the dumpster.
you have no problem with brian, but you have called him out here about three times in the last week or so?
i don’t think i’ve mentioned brian until this thread. you’re making that shit up.
I’m not exactly sure why Pawi brings up the “bullshit about koren men as wife beaters” when the comment responded to was about the social problems of exporting your babies. They are connected, how?
Pawi – The reason the issue of SE Asian brides and the children they have with Korean men is being talked about now is that it is current. Over the past two decades the U.S. Army and the Pearl S. Buck Foundation have made significant progress in reducing the number of children left behind in Korea by U.S. soldiers and caring for those who were.
The bigger issue affecting Korean society is the integration of foreign wives and mixed-race children. If they are being beaten, that issue needs to be addressed.
This has nothing to do with expats trying to bash Korean men in general.
‘If they are being beaten, that issue needs to be addressed.’
but not by you. that’s for koreans to discuss. the issue of spousal abuse is your primary focus. that feeds your collective ego on that farm where you overstuff yourself with ew stuffing.
knight in shining armour or would-be garbage collector?
@16 You are comic relief but not so funny.
I doubt you’re really Korean anyways. You were probably adopted from Uzbekistan.
‘Multicultural’ babies? Aren’t they simply multiethnic babies who grow up culturally Korean?
Jeffery Hodges
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I’m still puzzled as to why Pawi thinks that human rights issues must only be debated along cultural or racial lines. Would you suggest that the killing of Tutsis by Hutus was only for Rwandans to discuss and that any Burundian who did had an anti-Rwandan bias? Is the increasing problem of exploitation of Korean women as prostitutes only for natives of those countries to debate? Or as a former resident alien worker in Korea am I to shut up and not pass comment on issues affecting those people and just leave it to the Koreans? BTW it would be nice if you learned a little Confucian piety from your parents’ culture and stopped trying to turn English Teacher into a perjorative. Some of us who post here are not ETs anyhow, but I guess given your extremely bigoted and bifurcated worldview, you wouldn’t get your thick fucking skull around that.
The US and other countries with large immigrant populations have been dealing with this for decades. At least these children have literate mothers who probably finished high school and fathers who are native Korean speakers.
Culture isn’t just about clothing or holiday symbols but also beliefs and behaviors that immigrant mothers may pass on to their children.
“The number of children born in multicultural families in Korea rose from 25,000 in 2006 to 58,000 in 2008,” according to the Chosun editorial. So that’s 33,000 in two years, if that stats are right. Compare that to what Time Magazine said in 1965: “There are an estimated 20,000 half-caste children in Korea; 500 to 600 more are born each year… In the past ten years, 5,670 mixed-blood children have been adopted by families in the U.S.”
More interesting than that is this, a latter day Hines Ward, if Time is to be believed:
Fascinating. Anyone care to suggest some translations of “My Forsaken Star”? If it could be tracked down, it might make for interesting reading (Too bad Naver’s newspaper search only goes back to 1970).
Another rather interesting article about the Pearl S. Buck foundation is here:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,901137,00.html
“He had been accused, in Philadelphia’s pages, of mishandling charitable funds and making homosexual advances to the Korean boys he was supposed to be helping.”
There Pawi, you can’t say an ET didn’t give you anything.
Younghill Kang, the first Korean American (or, as the title of his second book put it, “Oriental Yankee”) writer, received a lot of praise for his first book The Grass Roof, and it might have become quite popular, but Pearl S. Buck’s The Good Earth came out that year and overshadowed it. Or so the story goes.
Sure, but these multiethnic kids will be far more enculturated into Korea than into their distant homeland. Most won’t be able to speak much of their mother’s language unless an effort is made.
I suppose that my two kids could be called bicultural, but they’re considerably more Korean than American even though I’ve made great efforts to teach them English every evening.
The better term for these mixed kids is “multiethnic” — and even if some are bicultural, the multiethnic label still fits.
Jeffery Hodges
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My comment # 22 was in response to Sonagi’s # 20.
Jeffery Hodges
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A few of my friends have children and they’re multicultural families.
One couple I know have a great kid who is Canadian-Korean, has spent most of his life in Canada but the last four years in Korea. He speak perfect English and very very good Korean, he is very popular at school and has many Korean friends.
Another couple British-Korean I know (with much younger child) their little boy struggled intially with his English, but is now coming on leaps and bounds. Another American couple I know are in a similar situation.
The problem seems to be with some of these ‘multicultural’ families seems to be more the kind of people who are get married rather than the issue of interracial issues per se. It seems a lot of the families (the majority) who have issues are poor ignorant Korean peasant farmers marrying poor young immigrants from third world countries, and the Korean (man) expecting her to speak Korean, cook Korean food, and be Korean with little effort to learn any of her language.
All the well adjusted families I know share a language (English) they can communicate and the husbands are not expected to become ajeoshis. In fact that is quite possibly why the Korean wives of these folks choose their husbands, they didn’t want to marry some self important ajeoshi who constantly coughs up phlegm and spends more time getting pissed with his mates rather than looking after his family.
It’s almost like more of a class issue. Two North American ladies I know married to Korean men do not have ‘typical’ Korean husbands. Both are well educated, well travelled and get on very well with their wives western pals and family. The people who seem to get into trouble with this issue are poor ignorant farmer hicks, whom no sensible young Korean woman would be interested in marrying anyway. That’s why these poor old chaps have to fly over to Vietnam to purchase their bride.
Well, obviously yes. I was going to make that point but didn’t think it necessary. Bilingualism and biculturalism do not mean equal proficiency or competence in both languages and cultures.
Yes, but if your children felt at home and were able to interact naturally with other Americans while visiting Arkansas, that indicates that your children are bicultural.
I suspect a fair number of these so-called bicultural children aren’t really bicultural if they have not interacted regularly with others from their mother’s home country.
I think that most of these so-called ‘multicultural’ families will be raising children who are almost entirely monoculturally Korean — probably due to the class issue that Keith noted — and even the bicultural children won’t necessarily have difficulties living in Korea.
But I guess that we’ll find out . . . and in the not too distant future.
Jeffery Hodges
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Keith makes some very good points and one thing we forget in this whole saga is the socio-economic factors involved. I’m lucky enough myself to be able to send my son (2.5 years, Indonesian mother, Anglo-Aussie father) to a good kindergarten here. His English was initially slow to develop as he spends a lot of time with his nanny and my wife’s relatives and thus my time speaking with him was limited. Now he’s hit his straps with the English as well as being conversant in Indonesian and scraps of Sundanese and Javanese.
A friend of mine, a naturalized Korean from Iran, pulled his son out of school and sent him to one for mixed race kids in Dongducheon after hearing of how he was treated (not horribly – he did have Korean friends – but he certainly responded better to the school in Dongducheon, even though he had to learn English (he spoke Korean and some Persian prior to that)). My friend got involved with a group concerned with mixed-race kids and learned things could be worse. One Pakistani-Korean couple told of how their son was regularly made to lie on the ground while students took turns walking on him – not something that would encourage you to attend school. The fact that they look different and stand out so much is likely what helps encourage this behavior, so perhaps things won’t be so bad in that sense for children of Vietnamese or Chinese mothers.
Multi cultural families that have Chinese and South East Asian mothers shouldn’t have trouble being racially integrated because the children will be able to pass as Koreans. In my opinion, their greatest enemy is poverty rather than racism. Level of education attainment is very important in Korean society. If these kids can’t get the same level of education, they will be a permanent underclass. Then of course, everyone will take the easy way out and point to racism as the cause of their permanent poverty.
Well, they are interacting with him; it’s not like they’re treating him as a pure untouchable.
And if he’s awarded “Man of the Tournament” for batting a triple century in the Cricket World Cup final some years later Koreans will congratulate themselves, wishing to bask in his and Pakistan’s limelight.
Post of the year, Seoldout.
i’m tired of hearing ET’s bullshit about koren men as wife beaters.
I can do it without bullshitting. I experienced horrific violence against women in my first year in Korea three times: once it was husband beating his wife directly upstairs from me all night long, the second it was a fellow who pushed his girlfriend into his car so hard that he knocked her unconscious and the third was a time that three Korean men attacked an ajumma in her kalbi jip by kicking her over a table and burning her hands on the gas range. I tried to intervene in all three of the incidents (not as quickly as I should have in the first one) and got evicted on the first one, visited by the police on the second and lectured in English on not speaking Korean and hung up on by the police in Bundang on the third. I had a brother and sister who used to come in to my second hagwon, the boy with black eyes from his Dad beating him over his grades. So eat it, pawi.
@keith
In fact that is quite possibly why the Korean wives of these folks choose their husbands, they didn’t want to marry some self important ajeoshi who constantly coughs up phlegm and spends more time getting pissed with his mates rather than looking after his family.
While certainly some ajoshis act just like this, as it takes only one night out in any neighborhood in Seoul to see hundreds, if not thousands of old Korean men taking to the pojangmachas or noraebangs or whisky bars, it’s a mistake to think this is the majority–which I think is quite implied in your statement.
As well, I think non-Korean men should look at how “self-important” they view themselves if Keith, you truly believe that these Westerners are swooping into to “save” Korean women. This is a pet peeve of mine. That two people found love, despite their differences–sure, sounds like a loving story. But in the same way that posing all white foreigner male ETs as “sexual hounds” or 루저들 who consume and brag about collecting Korean beauties as if they were sports cars is wrong, so is classifying Korean women or men who marry Westerners as something to be championed b/c they gamed the system. That’s ridiculous.
My parents are Korean, as are 95% of our social group, covering both the U.S. and the ROK. Contrary to popular foreigners belief, not ALL Korean ajosshis are animalistic anma attendees, guzzling soju, strapping their neckties around their forehead and tossing their cookies every night, falling asleep on bushes and roadblocks. Some — 말도안돼 — even return to their houses every night, just like how the fathers/husbands from the…oh 50% or so of U.S. marriages/families that aren’t divorced do.
We just had a 500-post thread on how victimized and stereotyped White male NSETs felt, but I’d hope the same rule and extreme self-awareness applies when the tables are turned.
@jeffreyhodges
I think you’re right about monocultural “Korean,” but you should say monocultural “bi-racial Korean.” Let’s consider how varied the experience can be like in the U.S. among a white versus a bi-racial white (take white and African American). Can we say that someone like Halle Berry had the same experience in America as…Reese Witherspoon or Julia Roberts?
And that is with external factors, like language, cultural and nationality all remaining the same among both parents. That’s why Halle Berry is, beyond being American, an African-American.
So given the multi-ethnicity of your children, I don’t want to sound exclusionary, but while your children culturally may be Korean, it’s a new type of Korean experience. Most Chan Hos and Minhees don’t have fathers who speak English and are Caucasian (no matter how “Korean” the foreigner father or mother may be…there’s differences).
I’m not holding my breath.
According to MrMao’s perspective, Korean men are the White Trash of Asia.
What’s wrong with a little corporal punishment?
If more White boys knew how to keep their own women in their proper places, they wouldn’t have to come all the way to Asia to snag their subservient, little dolls.
Unfortunately, too many White boys have done lost all their balls.
As someone who has lived in four Asain countries they are the “white trash of Asain.
Ask a Cambodian about how they feel about Koreans (not missionaries)living there. You will not get a pretty picture painted for you. It ain’t that much different in the Philippines either! Sorry, I know most Koreans can’t handle the truth, especially draft dodging gyopos.
t_song makes good points.
Korean on Korean problems=Korea’s business
Biracial peoples problems in Korea=My business, it’s a foreigners issue too.
Here’s a question for Koreans: Where are all of Korea’s Hines Wards?
Why aren’t there more, born and raised in Korea, biracial Koreans participating in Korean society like one has been able to see in Thailand for the last thirty years or so? Surely Koreans are soooo much better than Thai people.
For all the gyopo draft dodgers who, according to many Korean nationals, aren’t REAL Korean men anyway, here’s some stuff you should read about.
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/04/06/hines-wards-mom-releases-a-bit-of-han/
http://koreasparkling.wordpress.com/2007/04/30/another-confirmation-on-mixed-race-children-are-not-koreans/
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/08/113_50535.html
Why is it that Koreans want sympathy from foreigners when it comes to Takeshima, racism against Koreans in other counries, their tradgic history etc.., but when a foreigner addresses dicrimination of biracial people in Korea, they tell you it’s a Korean issue and to bugger off?
Isn’t funny how Koreans can make a TV program exploiting foreign women, yet think it’s perfectly ok because they are foreigners. Yeah, off topic, but oh well.
Imagine what Koreans would say if there was a show like that in America only the ladies were all Korean nationals. I can hear the gyopo draft dodgers now! They would surely make it a “Korean issue” you can bet on that shit.
Make that Asian
Here’s a question for Koreans: Where are all of Korea’s Hines Wards?
I dunno. But least of one of them seems to be running a highly successful
voyeur fetishfashion photography business in Seoul.Never seen Whitey care so much about what happens to Brown people elsewhere as he does in Korea.
Wow NK, I generally just ignore whatever you say, but that just now was really, really low. You finally managed to disgust me.
TK, NK chooses to fight his battles by “snooping to their level.”
Here’s a question for Koreans: Where are all of Korea’s Hines Wards?
Why aren’t there more, born and raised in Korea, biracial Koreans participating in Korean society like one has been able to see in Thailand for the last thirty years or so? Surely Koreans are soooo much better than Thai people.
I dunno about Thailand. But, oh boy, what a stupid question this is.
I suppose they all went to the Land of the Big PX. If the former bar girl turned wife of a GI wasn’t in it for a green card then it almost always ends in a divorce. Children grow up and unless they have some special talent in hip-hop music like Amerie or pro-sports like Hines Wards, they don’t really amount to jack-shit in American society either, it seems.
But once in a while, you do wind up with a Hines Ward. And every Hines Ward will have some tear-jerker, made for Oprah story about a hardworking, self-sacrificing Korean mother (where the baby daddy at?) who made it possible.
I don’t know how effective Hines Ward will be changing perceptions of bi-racial children in Korea. But he does bring awareness and public attention to the issue. But the real nitty-gritty change will be effected by the new generation themselves, who don’t have an “easy-way-out” option, for whom Korea is their home.
Something many people have forgotten here is that there is currently a big debate in Korean society on how people of color are treated.
Korean society is evolving and has been evolving over time. There are probably a number of articles from Korean sources that highlight the debate that’s going on in society on how they must improve the nation’s overall handling of ethnic affairs. I think too many expats are looking through their monolingual lens and making unfair and incomplete evaluations and not seeing the real progress that has taken place and will continue to be developed over time.
America had brown people (and imported black people) in it far longer than Korea has it took them hundreds of years to finally resolve the bigger issues. A lot of smaller issues still remain and depending on who you talk to, even the bigger issues are still simmering.
NK, have you seen Kim Ki-duk’s “Address Unknow”?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0284815/
*Address Unknown*
WK, the “many people” did not forget anything. They are either unable to see, or purposely ignoring, the debates that go on in the Korean society. They are too lazy to learn Korean, but they sure love passing judgment. Talking to them is futile.
#48
No, but I’ll check it out.
Well… I don’t really know what gives them the right to be so harshly critical considering the histories of the nations they came from. The U.S. Army gave small pox laced blankets to the Apache and the Australians forceabily abducted half aboriginal children away from their mothers to get proper “Christian” educations, etc. It took generations for these respective societies to realize what they did was wrong, let alone make amends.
Then all of a sudden, they come to a small Asian country grappling with similar (but much less severe) questions regarding their nascent ethnic diversity and talk in sweeping generalities as if an entire nation is one big giant Ku Klux Klan chapter. Anyone with half a brain knows that it is not.
Some of the sweeping generalities of some expat commenters make here and elsewhere are not things that I would even make of Southerners in early 60′s Alabama…
T-Song (#35), actually, my children haven’t encountered many problems — just an occasional, very rare “hon-hyul” remark. My wife and I also haven’t encountered difficulties, perhaps because we met in Germany and came to Korea in our thirties. My experiences therefore differ from many other expats here in Korea.
I have some complaints, of course, but I’d have some of the same complaints as a foreigner in Germany.
By the way, I’d probably say that most of the mixed kids in Korea are not “bi-racial,” but “bi-ethnic.” The British use the term “race” differently than Americans do, so I’m not saying you’re absolutely wrong in your terminology since you’d be right in British English, merely that I consider the difference between a Korean man and a Vietnamese woman to be ethnic, not racial. The children will likely be scarcely distinguishable from their full-blooded Korean peers (unlike, say, my children).
Incidently, I’m “Jeffery” (not “Jeffrey”).
Jeffery Hodges
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“The U.S. Army gave small pox laced blankets to the Apache and the Australians . . .”
At first, I misread that.
By the way, I’ve read that the smallpox-laced-blankets story may be a myth, so I’d appreciate a certifiable source on this — and my intention isn’t to whitewash, for my maternal grandmother, who raised me, was recognizably Indian. I used to show a photo to my Korean students to have them guess her ethnicity, and they often said Vietnamese, after which, I’d reveal who she was.
Jeffery Hodges
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JH,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_Pitt#Blankets_with_smallpox
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1088/did-whites-ever-give-native-americans-blankets-infected-with-smallpox
Okay, so it wasn’t the Apache. My bad.
If the Korean media didn’t get involved and started printing these stories, all these negative issues wouldn’t even exist, and the NY Times wouldn’t even pick up on these Korean media stories which paint Koreans in a very negative light. Why are the immigration and race issues such a big deal in the Korean press? Why not just pretend the problems don’t exist and voila, no negative stories in the international press that damages the reputation of the country? I mean look at China… they have zero race problems – nobody gives them hassles about their brand of racism against Caucasions, Africans, Indians, and Vietnamese, and the stinking Indians are not going around China and demanding justice from police and courts. And why is Korea even trying to go multicutural? I’ve yet to see any Asian country that are consciously promoting and pushing multicultralism and immigration down people’s throats. Why create extra unnecessary problems, aren’t there enough problems to deal with?
That sounds familiar.
Unfortunately, that is a much more significant caveat than you would expect…
Re: If more White boys knew how to keep their own women in their proper places, they wouldn’t have to come all the way to Asia to snag their subservient, little dolls.
Maybe this is the root of your problem with the ladies, NK. White boys don’t come to Asia to keep the girls subservient, they come here to unleash them. Liberated women, especially newly liberated, are much more interesting in every way you could imagine.
A diet of cigarettes, soju and male chauvinism keep the viagra sales rolling in.
TK & WK,
Regarding the self righteous waygukin.
1. Pawi brought that up first, if it isn’t him it is usually WJK or Netizen Kim.
2. Yes situations similar to this have occured in Western countries. But they didn’t improve by having people sitting around and saying that we are new to this so leave us alone, it was through criticism and reform. Which is what it looks like some people wish to suppress, when it comes from outside sources. Possibly it may even be prudent to listen to some that have witnessed these changes in their society? Although I guess a 20-30 year old will have as much a clue as you would.
Well… I don’t really know what gives them the right to be so harshly critical considering the histories of the nations they came from. The U.S. Army gave small pox laced blankets to the Apache and the Australians forceabily abducted half aboriginal children away from their mothers to get proper “Christian” educations, etc. It took generations for these respective societies to realize what they did was wrong, let alone make amends.
I haven’t yet read what all the ETs have written, so I’m not defending their words per se, but someone’s nationality doesn’t effect their ability to be a social critic. No one criticizes the pope, or his social criticisms simply by attacking the fact that he grew up under the Nazi.
#61
But they didn’t improve by having people sitting around and saying that we are new to this so leave us alone, it was through criticism and reform. Which is what it looks like some people wish to suppress, when it comes from outside sources.
Criticism and reform? If that’s what you all are about then I am a horse.
@ # 61,
There is nothing wrong with being a critic. Public debate is the life blood of democracy as we know it.
However, I think many non-Korean observers here should temper their criticism with a little bit of hindsight and context, otherwise there is no value to the criticism that’s being given and it’s just meaningless ranting. One does not become a multiethnic society overnight. How long did it take for the nations of your birth to be true multiethnic societies, huh? Some (like South Africa) are still trying to figure it out. Those of you who took history classes (or at least remember what was taught) in any given English speaking country should know that.
inkevitch,
1.
The fact that known nutcases of this blog (whom nearly all commenters of this blog have disowned, and one of whom is banned) sprayed some stupidity gives 외국인들 a right to act self-righteous? Come on.
2. The point is very well taken that Korea can do well to listen to outside criticism. I agree with that. But the types of criticisms regarding which WK and I are speaking are the kinds that are clearly not constructive — more like an invective, hurled simply out of spite.
No, it does not. But someone’s ability (or willingness) to understand the language of the society very much affects their ability to be a critic of that society. That’s what WK and I are talking about.
@JohnT
Despite you seemingly unironically complimenting me, I do take issue with your use of this Alessandra Stanley-esque inaccuarcy: draft-dodging gyopos.
You are to be commended for your extended time abroad. You’re probably more traveled than all but the top 2% of Americans or Canadians or wherever you’re from. Alas, I fear your globetrotting has only hardened your ignorance. I read your post and immediately thought you must be like all the people who have asked me: What is your nationality? And me replying “American” and somehow disappointing the questioner, who only really wanted to know what Asian ethnicity I am.
This is OK. I was raised with Korean culture…but in America. So this whole draft dodging shit makes no sense unless Congress has reinstituted conscription.
Let me explain. If you’re going to name call, “draft dodging gyopo” ranks right up there, in terms of accuarcy, with “Chink” or “Hong Kong” or “Jackie Chan.” Which as Koreans, we are none of those. In fact, many gyopos never carried Korean citizenship, were born in their native countries and thus could not at all be accused of draft-dodging gundae more than the Napoleon Dynamite lookalike sitting right next to them (presumably smoking weed).
Gyopos aren’t draft-dodging. To dodge the draft is to be breaking the law, evading some type of obligation. I’m a U.S. citizen. I have no obligations to serve in the Korean army, just as someone of German ancestry would laugh if some Asian person asked them, straight-faced: Don’t you feel less of a man for not serving in the Deutsches Heer? Or asking a Jewish college roommate one afternoon over a bowl of Fruit Loops, “So when do you plan to go to the Tzahal?
Couldn’t agree more.
And here is some food for thought… I think the reason why pawi, wjk and sometimes NK have a form of “anti-popularity” here, if you will, is that they set-up convenient English speaking straw men of what many commenters believe reside inside the mind of a typical ajossi in Korea. Thus, they make convenient targets for many an expat’s frustrations. The funny thing is, I don’t think pawi, wjk and NK realize that.
NetizenKim,
What is the basic ideology or worldview that you’re coming from? Is it Korean nationalism, ethnonationalism, racialism, etc?
Let’s all be real here now, shall we?
For many years, back home, you’ve had to bear the heavy burden of liberal White guilt. Blacks and other minorities were always calling YOU racists all the time. Political correctness put a tight gag on many things you really wanted to say but couldn’t. You were angry, always made to feel guilty for being White, but for the most part you couldn’t do a damn thing about it.
But now you’re in Korea. There, things are different. There’s no political correctness there. There’s no such thing as liberal White guilt imposed upon you. Here, you get to play whiny victim for once, even while you still hold on to the entitlements afforded by your White privilege. For once in your lives, some other group of people are even bigger and blatant racists than you are and you all just can’t help yourselves. It’s very carthartic. It must be wonderful to be a Whitey in Korea. You get to bash all the racist ajossi’s to your hearts content. You get to “save” Korean women from sexist Korean men with tiny dicks. And you all get to pat yourselves on the back for being the trained PC monkeys that you are. I just love it….LOVE when White boy magically turns into racism-fighting slash feminazi crusaders in Korea because you just don’t see that back home.
Why don’t you all just cut the bullshit already?
‘The fact that known nutcases of this blog (whom nearly all commenters of this blog have disowned, and one of whom is banned) sprayed some stupidity gives 외국인들 a right to act self-righteous? Come on.’
and yet ‘nutcase’ directed the course of this thread. i may be ‘nutcase’ but i’m korean nutcase. you korean, no? sshibalseki….i’m suspicious of koreans like you and wangy. don’t ever think that you’re not their target.
arasso, sangnoma?
@Jeffery
I’ve now misspelled your name on about 7 different occasions. I apologize.
But wait a second–based on your own experience, are we to believe that Koreans, in fact, have made tremendous racial strides? That Korean ajoshhis aren’t the rednecks of Asia. That school children (at least the ones in whatever Seoul neighborhood you live in) are benevolent, instead of ignorant? That interracial marriages are tolerated, if a couple is to meet in Europe instead of Itaewon?
I’m skeptical–but impressed and, if true, happy.
ps your gravatar is nice.
어디서 개가 짖네…
@Wangkon, NetKim, Pawi
Wow, gyopos with differing views on Korea?
From reading all the posts here, I thought — just like our uncles still over in the Motherland — we were just one blob of Korean-ness, all moving together like tumbleweeds.
Aren’t we all supposed to hate white whiney types? Or did I get the wrong gyopo handout. Are we supposed to side with our American brothers? Should we seem Confucianist or Christian? Damn. Where are my notes?!
It’s the East Faction vs. the West Faction all over again! Cue the corny Saeguk music!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_factions_in_Joseon_Dynasty
.. but without the Confucian decorum.
Wang Kon (#55), the links are interesting, for the story has some basis, it seems, but that was the British military in colonial America . . . though I suppose that there might be some continuity of policies (Washington, after all, was originally a British officer).
Jeffery Hodges
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Jeffery,
We can pick any number of anecdotes… The Trail of Tears, Wounded Knee, Sand Creek, awwww… take your pick.
Speaking of giving diseases to the locals:
When I was a lowly associate at the Schmuck & Putz law firm in Seoul, there was a gyopo attorney who actually tried to sue the firm because he had contracted VD during a client outing to a local room salon. The dude claimed it was a work-related affliction!
So, there you go….
DLB
T-Song:
“But wait a second–based on your own experience, are we to believe that Koreans, in fact, have made tremendous racial strides? That Korean ajoshhis aren’t the rednecks of Asia. That school children (at least the ones in whatever Seoul neighborhood you live in) are benevolent, instead of ignorant? That interracial marriages are tolerated, if a couple is to meet in Europe instead of Itaewon?”
I cannot judge the strides from my own experience, but based on what others tell me, Koreans are more open to interracial and inter-ethnic marriages than was once the case.
The use of the term “ajoshhi” by some on this blog seems to be shorthand for a certain type of Korean man who spits phlegm anywhere, drinks too much soju, and neglects his family but demands respect because he is a man. I use the term “ajoshhi” to mean an older, usually married man who’s not yet a “harabuji” because that’s what the term seems to mean, based on what my wife tells me.
My children seem happy here. My daughter has her friends, and my son has his. They are learning taekwando and have attended Korean schools — though my daughter is now doing homeschooling (for educational reasons). And we live in a largely working class area.
I do have my perspective on Korean identity, which, by the way, will be published in Korean (my wife’s translation) in an upcoming issue of 철학과 현실 (Philosophy and Reality). I’m no expert, but the journal asked me to write something . . . for an outsider’s view, I suppose, but God knows why I was asked rather than a more knowledgeable fellow such as the Marmot’s own Robert Koehler.
Jeffery Hodges
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Wang Kon, I’ll pick the Trail of Tears since that’s how my great-great grandmother ended up in the Ozarks. I don’t know of any smallpox-laced blankets, but a lot of Cherokee died on the trek — about one-third of the 17,000 moved in one bout of ethnic cleansing, if I recall.
Jeffery Hodges
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@Jeffery,
You should tell those editors at the journal that it should be your WIFE penning the article–not just translating it.
Your wife, simply by marring you, gave up some of her Korean-ness, and in her children, she gets to influence and see how “Korean” they are, might be. Of course, from your perspective, the children seem quite Korean, because the comparison is yourself–who while fluent in the cultural and a long-time resident, don’t, to my knowledge, speak the language fluently or know what it’s like to go unnoticed on the streets of Seoul (but you would in Arkansas).
You should post the piece on your blog, if you haven’t already–in English. I’d be interested to see it.
Again, if your experience and your friends’, are indicative of the broader society of mixed (white) couples, then I wonder should the NYT article that runs absolutely counter to your own findings doesn’t mention this. Or at least explore this. Koreans are quite honest in discussing their feelings on SE Asian brides. But would the dialogue be altered, perhaps politely so instead of frankly, should the discussion turn toward Japanese husbands or Taiwanese wives or Canadians?
culture–not cultural.
and i hope you don’t read my message as being harsh, as I was really rolling my eyes at the editors at the journal, who I blame for being too Korean and running to a Westerner so breathlessly. that said, i think your perspective is still interesting–just not as compelling as your wife’s.
however, should you be living in america, and the assignment came from a similar u.s. journal, i would posit you would be the more appropriate author.
Well, my wife hasn’t ‘marred’ me too much yet, but she’s working on that.
You’re right, though, she would have an interesting perspective, and not merely from being my wife but from having studied in Germany and gotten her doctorate there — in fact, she was there ten years already when we met! We communicated in German for our first three years together.
I might put the “Korean Identity” article on my blog — but only after the Korean version has already been published.
Jeffery Hodges
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I agree 100%, but would ask that you apply that fairly across the board.
For example, a character like Netizen Kim admits he has the proficiency of a low-achieving 5-year-old in the Korean language; in addition, many of us “expats” or former “expats” have lived in Korea two or three times as long as he.
So his remarks on Korean society should be taken with a block of salt.
That’s a good point, cm. The NYT is not out doing original research on this — it is amplifying and parroting what is in the Korean press.
Now that I see the NYT is plagiarizing The Korean, I’m tempted to cancel my subscription anyway.
What do you mean by that, exactly?
Who is the arbiter of “Korean-ness”?
Korean govt only tries to fix problems after it happens.
Stupid f-ckers.
don’t think it’s very negative- most people around the world exhibit surprise because they are not even aware vietnamese/chinese women would go to korea in the first place because korea occupies the same spot of “exporting brides and babies country” their knowledge base.
this is a very good question. i think that it’s the character of the people and the education system. in korea, social problems tend not to get solved just by people realizing and growing up. i think they make a big hoohah, identify the problem as a nation and make a collective conscious movement to solve it.
this is just a remnant/combination of many things. like the 새마을 ( saemaul) 운동, 외제안쓰기 (anti-imported goods) 운동, 반공(anti-communism) 운동, etc etc. so instead of relying on the judgment of the individual, they need to make slogans,banners,posters to feel like they are doing something about it.
it’s also the problem with the education, and yes, the confucian one. – they are waiting for some higher power to say, “well done korea, here is a gold star for appearing to (not necessarily solving) the problem”
i think this trait is not necessarily confined to korea, but it does seem to show up in a more extreme form…
When I was a lowly associate at the Schmuck & Putz law firm in Seoul, there was a gyopo attorney who actually tried to sue the firm because he had contracted VD during a client outing to a local room salon. The dude claimed it was a work-related affliction!
What about you, Barch? I think we’d all like to hear some wild tales of your own.
Dogbertt,
You strike me as a little more right leaning to actually subscribe to the NYT.
That’s me, obviously. Haven’t you heard?
@ # 81,
Yeah, and the crazy thing about that was that these Cherokee were relatively assimilated Native Americans! They were successful farmers, they all spoke English, adopted Anglo names, even owned slaves!
It was just a naked Andrew Jackson land grab!
There was gold in them thar hills!
Ironically, I likely wouldn’t even exist if the Cherokee hadn’t been pushed out and resettled in the Ozarks.
Our individual historical contingency is something to keep in mind as we debate the tragic events of history.
Jeffery Hodges
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I’ll see that, and raise you one local ajeosshi.
At a firm where I worked there was a Korean attorney who had married the younger daughter of one of the chaebol clans. He didn’t have to work, but either he had too much self-respect to take a sinecure in the wife’s family’s business or, perhaps, he wasn’t offered one. Anyway, he was a notorious 바람둥이 , who spent several nights a week and staggering amounts of dosh in room salons trying to act the 자몽 족 큰 남자 and then showing up at work in time for lunch and an afternoon nap. One morning , he returned home for a shower before coming to the office and was still so drunk his wife had to undress him, whereupon she discovered the condom still clinging to his shriveled dick. That was it for his free ride through life, which got even more unrecoverable when he shortly thereafter was fired since he no longer was of any use to firm as a connector to the now former wife’s family company.
Btw, have you ever met a Korean-speaking five-year-old? I have, and they can read, speak and write Korean way better than your average white male expat who invariably speaks like a female and tends to have an inexplicably girlish syntax.
Using your logic, if you had lived in a chicken coup instead of Korea, does that make you better at clucking and more knowledgeable about being a chicken? Thanks for enlightening us with your silliness. Any other self-serving canards you have to share with us?
@96: my bad — “coup” should be coop.
Yes, several.
That’s not me, though.
It does make me more knowledgeable about life in a chicken coop than a chicken who grew up free-range.
Thanks for your kyopologic.
I bow to you, sir! And a belated thanks for the Opera Mini recommendation.
good point t_pain. While the general parenting practices and marriage dynamics of the fathers and husbands in Korea are certainly different between say North America (at least the North America I grew up in) and Korea, using “아저씨” as a pejorative and characterizing Korean fathers/husbands as above, across the board has made more than a couple people loose their credibility here.
Meanwhile, you, pawi… here’s some advice. It’s not White against Korean in this world. I realize that in your head, you think whitey doesn’t like you because you are Korean. What’s actually going on is that people don’t like you because you are a hateful little asshole misfit. Trying to warn WK and TK that whitey is out to get them too, and seemingly insulting them since they don’t seem to get “it,” just makes you look like even more of a bottle of massengil. I suspect they are rolling their eyes at you as much as I am.
I remember there was once a sock here called “pawi’s conscience.” The sock gave you occasional advice on how to stop being so… um… obtuse. Said sock hasn’t popped in of late, but allow me to fill the roll. If you want to help the image of Korea, Koreans, and your fellow gyopos, just log off and never post again. You are to the gyopo what the pot-smoking, womanizing, illegal ET is to the many dedicated, qualified, well-behaved ETs. How ironic!–you are what you hate. Coincidentally, you are what I hate too. Have a nice day and nice avatar.
Probably, yes. Have you ever seen the documentary about the guy who lives with wolves? or a documentary about Diane Fossey and the Mountain Gorillas? (And just to make sure an ignoramus like you apparently are doesn’t get sidetracked, I’m not talking about Kevin Costner.)
Yer welcome. And would you mind stop using “kyopo” as an expletive of some sort? 듣는 교포 섭하게 말입니다.
Wait wait wait, could someone explain to me why ya’ll keep assuming pawi is korean? Based on what circumstantial evidence exactly?
OK.
At least he doesn’t try to pass off Babelfish gibberish as Korean like Pawi.
Using your analogy, foreigners living in Korea cannot speak Korean or understand Korean culture because Koreans are a different species.
’400+ thread…’ t-song
yes, a 400+ thread of crying and carrying on with not an ounce of introspection to be found. this is why ET shoots himself in the foot. he’s more interested in defense rather than offense. he’s more interested in one-uping the korean guy than he is addressing the concerns that koreans have with regards to ET and the ship he came in on. while i am sure there are those ajoshis who are angry that ET takes ‘their’ women (you know, earth girls are easy), there are quite a few koreans who are concerned about the people who teach their children. the korean people don’t want child molesting aliens within their midst but ET does nothing to reassure the public, instead choosing a plethora of conspiricies that ultimately lead to his penis. chip on shoulder.
the way to handle this is to be on the offense. the way to handle this is to have organizations representing ET promote a positive image of aliens to the korean public. that’s how you win this war. you address the concerns korean people have about ET without looking like you’re after blood. you all say you can’t control the actions of individual ETs and i’ll agree with your there, however, you could distance yourselves from those accused of pot smoking and drug abuse. you could come out and forcefully condemn those crimes that koreans take seriously.
but that’s not what ET does. nope. once again, we’ll see ET standing up for accused child molestors and dope smokers ultimately ending once again with their penises (and y’all talk shit about wjk and his song and dance about chajee).
that’s why ET loses the PR war.
‘a goose never dines with a skunk.’ pawi proverb
‘the geese fly through the night sky
ensuring the safety of those who are
forced to wear white.’ pawi’s poem to ‘the korean’ and wang
Has NetizenKim ever explicated his basic philosophy?
What is the ideology or worldview that he’s coming from? Is it Korean nationalism, ethnonationalism, racialism, etc?
‘War Before Civilization” is an excellent read to understand what transpired in America BEFORE whitey arrived to rape and pillage.
Oh really? How many Korean male friends do you have? If your answer is zero to one, than you probably speak Korean like a girl.
Fair enough — although, even as a chicken, that’s not saying much. Also, as a rule, free-rangers tend to look down on coopers as dirty little shitbirds.
Wrong — which is proof again that that the average expat grossly exaggerates their Korean knowledge online, which is not surprising as it’s usually a cover for how little they know. (FYI, I’m a KA in the U.S. — my homeland and country of birth — so you can’t call me 교포 as long as I’m here and not there.)
wait, wait, wait, why are you all assuming nk is korean?
One of the more interesting conspiracy theories is that pawi is one of Robert’s sockpuppets whom Robert had to quickly dust off and put back in action when wjk, the former site agitator and main traffic-generator, privately told Robert he would not longer be coming around. It’s all in the name keeping the google ad revenue flowing in.
Interestingly, until even now, Robert has not confirmed or denied this.
wait, wait, wait, why do you assume 8675309 is korean?
Do you know what 교포 means??
And that chicken thing, you know — that’s not really well-thought out. Might have made sense in your head, but fell flat in execution. Just admit that and move on.
You can’t assume for certain. That’s why I don’t take half the mudslinging here really seriously at all. I find it pretty darn amusing to see Sperwer, dogbertt, aaronm, et al, responding to his unending series of white boy treatise *non-stop*. Hilarious. And nope, you can’t turn around and look at me cuz I stopped responding to the likes of Mizar a long time ago.
I miss Mizar. He is highly entertaining.
Korean farmers are already a poor alienated underclass.
‘One of the more interesting conspiracy theories is that pawi is one of Robert’s sockpuppets whom Robert had to quickly dust off and put back in action when wjk, the former site agitator and main traffic-generator, privately told Robert he would not longer be coming around. It’s all in the name keeping the google ad revenue flowing in.’
‘You can’t assume for certain. That’s why I don’t take half the mudslinging here really seriously at all. I find it pretty darn amusing to see Sperwer, dogbertt, aaronm, et al, responding to his unending series of white boy treatise *non-stop*. Hilarious. And nope, you can’t turn around and look at me cuz I stopped responding to the likes of Mizar a long time ago.’
‘the old pawi used to go after those critical of korea.’
my god! conspiricy, white guy hating, and not mean enough. i just can’t win.
Pawi, that’s why I never address you directly . . . oops.
Jeffery Hodges
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Of course I do, and for the record, I am not an “overseas Korean living outside of Korea,” as I was never inside Korea to begin with. I was born and raised in the U.S., which makes the U.S. my home country and Korea a foreign country to me. When I’m in Korea, yeah, I guess you can call me jaemigyopo or KA. When I’m in my home country though, I self identify as a Korean American or American — not a gyopo. On the other hand, I recognize that there are 1.0 and 1.5 generation KA’s who feel exactly the opposite — i.e., they consider Korea their homeland and refer to themselves as gyopo when they’re abroad. Regardless, this is a self-defining term, which is determined by someone’s unique circumstances, and therefore should not be imposed on someone without their permission.
To each their own. (Have you ever thought that the reason you’re unable to understand my analogy is due to your taking it literally?) Bottom line: Having lived in a foreign environment does not automatically make you an expert on that environment.
And BTW, Diane Fossey, did not actually live among gorillas — she lived in a research station she established in a remote camp so she could have convenient access to the gorillas in other parts of the rainforest. Therefore, she was knowledgeable about gorillas b/c she actually studied them — not b/c she lived ‘among’ them.
Could someone explain to me why ya’ll keep assuming pawi is human?
seouldout, I think you’re still assuming he’s korean. LOL
@ # 111,
That’s hilarious cmm…. not true, but hilarious.
Being inside Korea is not a precondition to being a kyopo, fellow kyopo-man. Being an ethnic Korean living outside of Korea is all it takes for the definition to apply.
Um, what?? The definition of kyopo cannot be clearer: (1) ethnic Korean (2) living outside of Korea. Except for some wiggle room in the definition of “ethnic Korean”, it is most certainly not a self-defining term.
No, I understood your intention behind your analogy just fine. I was just saying that the analogy was poorly executed, because it did not fit your point perfectly — as you yourself conceded at 109.
I’m not trying to be snarky or engage in any personal attacks — I am just trying to give you pointers. I have a proven track record of being a good writer, as evidenced by thousands of readers who visit my blog every day. I think you would do well to be modest and listen to what I’ve got to say.
#95
I’m not interested in accounts of “Sex and the Ajossi”, OK?
What about you, Sperwer? You definitely must have a rich storehouse of scintillating tales to disclose. I can feel it.
First, I do not self-identify as an “ethnic Korean.” (FYI, I HATE that term — it suggest being stateless or a displaced person.) I am a Korean American or American. Take it or leave it. (And don’t call me “Kyopo-man”. I find that derogatory and condescending.)
Let’s make it simple: As long as I am an American in America, I choose not to be defined by Korean terms regarding ethnicity or nationality for personal reasons. Thank you for being respectful.
Like I said, to each their own. If you have an analogy that you’d like to share, please feel free to do so. However, I reserve the right to maintain my own voice and my own creativity — regardless of your like or dislike of my style.
Thanks but no thanks. I’ve perused your website, and while it is quite informative, you are undoubtedly a 1.5 generation native Korean speaker — not that I have any problem with that — but suffice it to say, that usually there is a wide gap between the thinking of 1.5 and 2.0s. Let’s not try to make either one the other, but instead respect our differences. And btw, I’m a pretty good writer myself — so I don’t need your advice.
aargh!
I never said that. (BTW, you take things very literally. “Inside” in this context means ‘from’.)
So to make it easier:
I am not an “overseas Korean living outside of Korea,” as I am not — nor was I ever — from Korea to begin with.
Then why didn’t you just write “from”, when “from” fits your intention perfectly and “inside” does not? What did you gain by writing “inside” instead of “from”? Imperfect diction like that is another sign that your writing has room to improve. Just give a minute and think about it. You will thank me later.
now we have koreans fighting koreans. that’s just what they want.
Who is “they”?
It’s called a parallel construction. Regardless, if you are reading in context, the meaning should be apparent. Don’t be so left-brained and hardwired about language — just b/c you are not familiar with parallel constructions does not mean that it is “imperfect,” nor is it a sign that I need to “improve.” More than likely, it is a sign that you are projecting your own insecurity in expressing yourself in English on me. And no, I don’t need to thank you for anything you presumptuous prick.
Why, I am a huge fan of parallel constructions. But in this context, a parallel construction makes no sense. This is what you wrote: “I am not an ‘overseas Korean living outside of Korea,’ as I was never inside Korea to begin with.” A parallel construction using the word “inside” would have made sense if you were currently living inside Korea, i.e.: “The definition of a kyopo is an ‘overseas Korean living outside of Korea.’ I cannot be a kyopo because I am living inside Korea.”
But — just going by what you wrote, you could be inside Korea for all I know — your dispute with the kyopo definition was not about your location; it was about the applicability of “overseas Korean” portion of the definition of kyopo. Using the diction “inside” does not set up a proper parallel in that case; a proper parallel construction would have set up something that contrasts with either “overseas” and/or “Korean”.
Seriously, buddy, just listen. The more you defend your imperfect writing the more strained you will become in your defense. I promise I’m doing this for your benefit.
omigod — you are obviously a psychotic with delusions of grandeur. No more free English lessons for “thekorean.”
Is NetizenKim the same guy as “Bluejives”?
‘Seriously, buddy, just listen. The more you defend your imperfect writing the more strained you will become in your defense. I promise I’m doing this for your benefit.’
why i dislike this sshibalnom.
Korean cuss words seem so cute. ^____^ But that’s because I don’t really speak it.
Anyway, it’s baseless to use them here. One thing WJK and pawi have in common is that neither held back with the mud.
Pawi’s had enough fun, and though he isn’t WJK, he fits the same function as WJK did. By transitivity, then, pawi ought to be banned too.
BTW, I too don’t like the way “kyopo” is used on this blog. I notice it’s used most frequently by the same people who are most likely to mention V-Tech. Please grow the hell up and find better material, you twits.
Come on now Pawi.
No need to call him sshibalnom. We are all sshibalnom’s here.
@pawikirogii – Forgive me for jumping in to respond to comment 16 way deep into the conversation. My job as a would-be garbage collector keeps me quite busy.
1. I do not have nor am I party to a “collective ego.” I speak and act only for myself.
2. When did I say that it was my job to tackle spousal abuse? It is a job for one group but for all of us in Korean society.
I’m not 씨발놈. I’m a 씹하고싶은놈 muthafucka.
^ 씹하고싶은놈? that’s pretty much same as 씨발놈.
아 씨발 진짜 그렇네… 거의 똑같네 ㅎㅎㅎ
아니지, 씹을 팔고 싶은 놈이랑 씹을 하고 싶은 놈이랑 좀 많이 다르지 않나? ㅎㅎㅎ
Re “now we have koreans fighting koreans. that’s just what they want”
A nice debate is better than “all Koreans thinking like Pawi”. The “Pawi alternative” is essentially a close representation of Kim Jong Il.
JW형님..그 이야기는 쪽팔려요! ㅋㅋ
t_song님, 자진해서 이 활기왕성한 나이에 성생활을 금지시키면 사람이 좀 이상하게 변하긴 하죠.
쯧쯧… 얼렁 여자분들을 소개시켜줘야겠구만.
Any of you guys into black girls (or generally equal opportunity)? I have about 20 emails this past week about whether Korean guys like black girls. Probably the Ninja Assassin effect.
By the way, 씨발놈 is a term of endearment for me. My favorite 선배 calls me that all the time, along with 개새끼. (But with a friendly smile — you will get it if you’re Korean.)
LOL, unfortunately, I’d have to hit the gym for about 5 months before getting fit to be like a ninja. (but once there, I’m totally capable of putting on a karate show)
JW,
You’d have to starve yourself too…
In my mid-20′s I had a six pack for only 2 weeks because I couldn’t stand the diet… the exercise was a lot easier to tolerate.
For me, it’s the internet that’s my worst enemy….can’t lay off the fucking thing without getting antsy!! (and no i’m not just talking about the pretty pictures)
Really? It’s inexplicable? I would think it’s quite obvious.
Yes. See comment 180 of Open Thread #127 (sorry, the firewall I have to go thru prevents me from posting a temporally stable “permalink.” Anyway, pawi used to post as nulji too. They changed years ago, not sure why. Bluejives/Netizen K posts his anti-whiteman boo-hoo tear-soaked horse-poo on other sites under yet a different name.
‘Anyway, pawi used to post as nulji too.’
yes, and i announced that my monniker had changed for almost 2 weeks afterwards. you may have noticed that i change my gravatar on a frequent basis. that’s my perogative. what’s it to you, asshole?
“I was born and raised in the U.S., which makes the U.S. my home country and Korea a foreign country to me.”
What that conclusively clears up why you continually demonstrate you know shit all about korea.
“I have a proven track record of being a good writer, as evidenced by thousands of readers who visit my blog every day.”
Hmm self serving fallacy?
You never considered they may be visiting for a good laugh?
Or teacher of literacy 101 were referring students to your site as examples of what not to do?
PS Joking, like your style, but couldn’t resist rising to that little “conceit”
Sure, sure — then I’ll just refer you to the archive of hundreds of fan letters praising my writing instead.
By those criteria, Sarah Palin = Billy Shakespeare.
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