In a summary order, Incheon District Court fined the Korean dude who hurled abuse at Indian professor Bonojit Hussain on a bus 1 million won.
Previous post: Charles Chaillé-Long: In the footprints of Kublai Khan, part 3
Next post: Open Thread #127
by Robert Koehler on November 27, 2009
In a summary order, Incheon District Court fined the Korean dude who hurled abuse at Indian professor Bonojit Hussain on a bus 1 million won.
Tagged as: Bonojit Hussain
Previous post: Charles Chaillé-Long: In the footprints of Kublai Khan, part 3
Next post: Open Thread #127
Posted 66 minutes ago
2010년 7월 31일 브라질 브라질리아에서 우리나라의 10번째 세계유산으로 하회와 양동마을이 등재되었습니다. 「한국의 역사마을 : 하회와 양동 (Historic Villages of Korea : Hahoe and Yangdong)」 이라는 이름으로 등재된 유산에는 하회마을(중요민속자료 122호), 병산서원(사전 260호) 양동마을(중요민속자료 189호), 독.....tag : 경주, 보물, 유네스코, 안동, 하회마을, 양동마을, 사적, 세계유산, ICOMOS [Link]
Posted 78 minutes ago
Via a reader tip comes this story about the hardships North Korean businesses are having lately due to the economic climate and financial sanctions: Bureau 39 has been dubbed Kim’s own slush fund. A chain of eateries offers a glimpse into how the North Korean body makes cash. Bureau 39. It’s the shady, money-making arm of the North Korean government ... [Link]
Posted 3 hours ago
"Everything is in perfect harmony in Mozart, every note, every musical phrase is as it is and could not be otherwise; even those opposed are reconciled; it is called 'Mozart'sche Heiterkeit' (Mozart's serenity), which envelops everything, every moment" — Mozart's Requiem Expresses Faith, Says Pontiff. "It is a gift of the grace of God, but it is also the fruit ... [Link]
Posted 5 hours ago
In honor of tomorrow's release of the iPhone 4, Korea Telecom has announced unlimited data plans for some smartphones, including the iPhone: The unlimited data services will begin Friday, when KT plans to launch Apple's iPhone 4 in Korea to compete with Samsung Electronics' Galaxy S, provided by SK Telecom. KT will join SK Telecom in providing unlimited data services ... [Link]
Posted 5 hours ago
James Matthew Wilson's latest — Stephen Hawking Proves the Existence of God. "Self-created law operating spontaneously and so absolutely un-beholden to any prior necessity: this sounds familiar indeed, having found divinely-inspired expression some years ago," he writes, quoting the first five verses of Gospel According to Saint John."The 'undergraduate atheists' have had their day," writes John Cottingham, suggesting, "The spiritually ... [Link]
Posted 5 hours ago
This month, a few professional and personal projects are converging, and I won’t have much time for anything else. Here are some links of interest (to me) in the meantime. __________________________ Evan Ramstad of the Wall Street Journal talks to North Koreans in China about their morale. __________________________ The Heritage Foundation criticizes U.N. programs in North Korea. __________________________ The Christian ... [Link]
Posted 5 hours ago
"Sometimes your enemies can teach you more than your friends are ever willing to disclose," writes Jim Goad — Insight from the Outside: Seeing the USA from Pravda and Al-Jazeera’s Eyes. Of the former, he says, "I tend to agree with most of Pravda’s dire prognostications regarding the US, but I’m not so sure they needed to be such dicks ... [Link]
Posted 5 hours ago
Arturo Vasquez concludes that "there is no reason to expect Christianity in Africa to produce Southern Hemisphere neo-cons who read First Things and have impeccable front lawns" — Our disfigured image. Subscribe in a reader [Link]
Posted 5 hours ago
Terry Nelson reports that the "[g]ender bender chemical atrazine widely contaminates U.S. public water supply" — Something in the War. A study "found that small amounts of atrazine lowered testosterone levels and fertility in male frogs" and "[m]any of the frogs were chemically castrated or even turned into females." Subscribe in a reader [Link]
Posted 5 hours ago
Absolutely, absolutely FASCINATING racial data crunching from Gizmodo. Just go read it.The Real 'Stuff White People Like’ [Gizmodo] [Link]
Get smart with the Thesis WordPress Theme from DIYthemes.
Bad Behavior has blocked 7800 access attempts in the last 7 days.
{ 42 comments… read them below or add one }
Upon hearing of his victory, Prof. Hussain stated, “If I were white, I would have received a trillion.”
OK, that was funny.
Funny, not, but possibly true,
How depressing?
A Marmot Haiku comp would go off like a suicide bomber?
Idea?
1 mil, I’d piss in my boots for less
Are you fellers with korean girlfriends thinkin what I’m thinkin?
I don’t know what you’re thinking, but I’m thinking “Bonojit” is a very funny name.
Given this ruling, could I be fined for making fun of him?
Something that seems to get skipped over in most of the reports is exactly how the Korean guy ended up at the police station. Was he dragged there? That’s the funny part. In a western country, the forcible dragging of an individual would be seen as the greater evil, in the eyes of the law.
That’s what I’ve been wondering. The guy was drunk, and he probably wasn’t very big. Though Bonojit is pretty slight, and I don’t think the Korean girl was Jang Mi-Ran or something.
.
@6 – I think you could if the court found it to be an “insult” under the Korean Criminal Code (제 311조 (모욕재)). That’s all that’s happened here despite all the hub-bub.
I’m not sure I like the idea of having a law against calling someone an S.O.B. (scratch that, I don’t like it), but if it is actionable then to argue calling someone an Arab/Black S.O.B. couldn’t be punished because Korea doesn’t have any laws punishing racial discrimination doesn’t make much sense. . .
While each of the many news reports on the incident included slightly different details, most of them focused on the alleged “hate speech” uttered by Park and the failure of Korean law to punish it. As Yonhap put it:
However, while it is true that a specific “racial discrimination suit” was unavailable, we’ve seen that Park’s actions did not go as unpunished as the many reports implied. Park was charged “with criminal insult [mo yuk chae] on the theory that racist language can constitute such” and if convicted, “he could face up to one year in prison or a fine of 2 million won ($1,640).” [link]. (That “모욕” would be art. 311 mentioned above). And now we have a decision and Park’s been “fined 1 million won ($855) Friday for insulting” the professor.
So while the Hussain case has been put forward to show that “Korean law does not recognize racial discrimination as a crime,” (“한국 법체계가 인종차별을 범죄로 인정하지 않아”) there is a strong argument that it demonstrates the opposite proposition. Indeed, not only was Park indicted, fined and roundly condemned in the press, but as a result of the case two members of the National Assembly announced independent plans to introduce bills with further measures to ensure against discrimination on the basis of race or nationality. (If it happens this would be the third try.)
That is a big result for someone being racially insulted and way beyond what would happen in most countries, despite the Korean press’s naive assumptions otherwise. (I saw one report that mentioned the “US Civil Rights Act of 1964″ as prohibiting such a racial act. That’s certainly not the case.)
I think what happened here is that Korean prosecutors struggled to use the laws on the books to punish something they wanted to punish, such an approach is hardly unusual and (in my opinion) praiseworthy. I see this case as similar to a US race case from the 6os. (Fisher v. Carrousel Motor Hotel 424 S.W.2d 627 (Tex. 1967)). A NASA rocket scientist who happened to be Black was attending a convention in Texas. While at dinner with his colleagues the manager of the restaurant came up and shouted that a “Negro could not be served” and snatched the plate out of his hands. Even though the whole case was about that racial insult, it wasn’t actionable since you couldn’t punish it just as speech (or ‘insult’) – however hateful. Instead the case brought on a physical battery charge even though the manager never touched the scientist (just the plate) and the scientist said he was never in fear and suffered absolutely no physical pain. In the end the scientist won his “battery case” got a nominal recovery (like Hussain), but the point of course was never the money or the “battery.”
I think something similar is going on here, it’s not about the “insult” per se. Hussain said “his goal was to make this issue public to spark a national debate on racial acceptance and tolerance.” [link] That seemed to have worked. It’s a shame that Hussain gets so much flack for bringing what appears to be minor issue when he admits as much himself. He mentions that in conversations with migrant workers they told him: “This is nothing. The media are taking it up because you are a research professor. We face much more serious situations.” [link] He agrees and says he brought the case for others who wouldn’t be able to. He said: “Most of the time, they face much worse situations than mine. They cannot complain for two reasons. One, they might lose their jobs. Two, (they think) ‘even if I go to the police, nothing will happen.’”
If the Hussain case is to be criticized for anything then I suggest it is for pretty much ignoring Ms. Han Ji-seon, who in addition to being insulted as bad or worse than Hussain (she was called a whore) was kicked and hit in the chest in the bargain. (Some limited discussion in womennews.co.kr). I would argue that as important as it is for Korea to have a dialog on race, it shouldn’t take precedence over the issue of violence to Korean women. I suspect Prof. Hussain would agree.
Let me know when he collects, then we can start planning the press conference. I’m betting he won’t see an aluminum ten won piece of that money.
“모욕재” >> 모욕죄
Papertiger
I believe it was a criminal matter, Prof. Bonojit Hussain doesn’t get a dime. It goes to the court.
Robert seems to be on a role with WRONG headlines as evidence here “Bonjit Hussain Gets One Million Won” and “Naver Won’t Shut Down English Spectrum”
Geez, only one grand? I’ve settled an EEOC charge for five grand against a former employer and settled another two grand in a personal injury lawsuit against yellow cab for running into me while I was cycling to work during rush hour.
It’s great to have Benjamin Wagner commenting here — thanks for your comment.
Pfft, I’ve found more than a million in my couch cushions
#14:
Employee != Random drunk dude on bus
Car cab nearly killing you != Random drunk dude insulting you on bus
Thanks for playing
“That is a big result for someone being racially insulted and way beyond what would happen in most countries, despite the Korean press’s naive assumptions otherwise. (I saw one report that mentioned the “US Civil Rights Act of 1964″ as prohibiting such a racial act. That’s certainly not the case.)” (emphasis added)
I don’t know about “most countries” but the ajosshi’s actions could be a misdemeanor-level violation in some (and, I’d imagine, most if not all) local jurisdictions in the U.S. Where I come from they would constitute (I would argue) one or more species of criminal harassment. Basically, there was a breach of the peace. Calling someone an s.o.b. may or may not be against the law (I would argue it is not and ought not be so); but getting in someone’s face and calling him and his female companion a s.o.b. and worse repeatedly, at length, in a confined space from where it was not easy for the victims to retreat most definitely should be a crime.
Whether the racial insult alone ought to be a separate (perhaps federal and/or more serious ‘hate’) crime is a debate that is currently taking place across the U.S. Query: if I very politely inform a Tralfamadorian that with all due respect, sir, it is my opinion that Tralfamadorians are racially inferior, then peacefully walk away, should that be a crime? Are some words so hateful that uttering them should be a criminal offense even absent a breach of the peace?
Also: Ben Wagner’s otherwise excellent comment is the first place I’ve read that the Korean woman was kicked and struck. Is that true? By the same ajosshi? If so, was he not also charged for that?
argh fuck, korean women do not need western men to defend them from violence and subjugation from korean men.
sounds like she was (or touched) in the chest area when she got up to defend the helpless indian man by the drunk flailing his arms about.
go help the women being stoned to death or honor-killed by their fathers in other countries if you are so concerned about the welfare of women.
jeez
i guess i am supposed to feel all warm and fuzzy to know that pot-smoking guys who hate korea will defend me from if a drunk ajossi accosts me.
wow, a korean woman telling white men to f off? my, how the mighty have fallen.
of course, this being about enlish teachers, they’ll just explain it away by telling us she’s just mad because she can’t have their chajeez.
lol
i didn;t tell anyone to fuck off, it was an expletive aimed at the sky at the sorry half-arsed excuses suddenly taking a turn to say that the “anti-anti-englishspectrum” is doing it for the honor of the young korean helpless maidens who choose to hang out with them.
“go help the women being stoned to death or honor-killed by their fathers in other countries if you are so concerned about the welfare of women.
jeez”
seriously. shut the fuck up.
how the Korean guy ended up at the police station.
I believe it was mentioned in an earlier posting that the bus driver pulled the bus up to a nearest police box after the fracas broke out, which seems to be the standard procedure should an incident flare up in the back of the bus.
“go help the women being stoned to death or honor-killed by their fathers in other countries if you are so concerned about the welfare of women.”
We are.
[cut to footage of U.S. forces fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.]
I know; it’s a bit of a stretch. But saving Muslim women from Taliban
and other fundamentalist opporession WAS one of the justifications tried by Bush-Cheney while flailing around for some plausible excuse once it became known that the whole WMD thing was a lie.
“wow, a korean woman telling white men to f off?”
Yes; if only Yuna were a Korean woman.
WeikuBoy,
U.S. troops are not in Iraq and Afghanistan over the concern of the “welfare of women.”
We don’t send troops to other parts of the world for such civil reasons. At least I hope we don’t. I don’t want our troops and my tax dollars primarily going out there for those more “esoteric” values.
If leaving tribesman alone to handle their “domestic affairs” means that they join our side to fight the Taliban you know the troops in charge would do that in a heart beat.
well, of course. Speaking of which, please hold my blunt while I pummel this drunk ajosshi. Oh yeah, forgot… “and Fuck Korea!”
hmmm.. strangely, that comment *did* make me all warm and fuzzy in a twisted way.. i guess it’s don’t knock it till you tried it.
@18 I don’t know about “most countries” but the ajosshi’s actions could be a misdemeanor-level violation in some (and, I’d imagine, most if not all) local jurisdictions in the U.S. Where I come from they would constitute (I would argue) one or more species of criminal harassment.
You make a good point. The usual rule in the US is that if you can just walk away and ignore the speech then that’s what you should do because it’s probably protected. But as you point out – “getting in someone’s face and calling him and his female companion a s.o.b. and worse repeatedly, at length, in a confined space from where it was not easy for the victims to retreat” – maybe this situation is different. On a moving bus without nowhere to go, and perhaps the speech could in theory invoke the “fighting words” exception (although its pretty rare to see it used these days). So sure there’s at least an argument there for punishment in the US context.
the Korean woman was kicked and struck. Is that true? By the same ajosshi? If so, was he not also charged for that?
Yes, same man. I have no idea if he was charged. This was the criticism I had of the way the press handled of the issue – why zero coverage on this? The only discussion I saw of this aspect of the case was in the Women’s News article I cited above. It reads:
“But as in Ms. Han’s case, racial violence is not suffered by foreigners alone. It often happens to Korean women who appear together in public with male foreigners, regardless of whether they are friends, lovers or spouses.”
“그러나 한씨의 사례에서 보듯이 인종차별적 폭력은 외국인만 겪는 것이 아니다. 친구든 애인이든, 부인이든 가릴 것 없이 외국인 남성과 공공장소에서 같이 있던 한국인 여성들도 함께, 그리고 흔하게 겪는 일이다.”
http://www.womennews.co.kr/news/41325
As for news articles mentioning the physical violence against Ms. Han, here are a few:
Korea Herald had an in depth interview and said that Park was accused of “kicking Han” and that “[w]hen Park got off the bus, he pushed Han in the chest – something that Han argues is an act of sexual violence.”
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2009/11/06/200911060045.asp
The Hindustan Times gives the first name of the assailant and says he “did not spare Jisun [Han] . . . asking if it felt ‘good to date a black guy’. He also kicked her.”
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Indian-inspires-S-Korea-s-fight-against-racism/H1-Article1-457009.aspx
Hussain says here that “Me and my companion Jisun Han were subjected to severe racist abuses . . . When Ms. Han confronted him, he shouted her down and in fact kicked her.”
http://www.topnews.in/applause-indian-voice-antiracism-bill-south-korea-2219728
“Park, who had been drinking alcohol, kicked and insulted Hussain’s female Korean companion on the bus, as other passengers tried to restrain Park.”
http://sify.com/news/s-korean-man-fined-for-racial-slurs-in-landmark-case-news-international-jl1oubehddg.html
Korean women have a weird take on how they’re treated by men.
On one hand, they expect men to understand them, be sensitive, anticipate their needs, etc.
On the other hand, if you tried to be a gentleman with them, they ask you why you’re being nice to them, that you being courteous is a burden, etc.
Heck, I held doors open for Korean women and told them to go on first and they gave me this look which said “What’re you doing?” Of course after that I didn’t hold that door open, and as a result got the look that said “Why aren’t you opening that door for me?”
Korean women have a weird take on how they’re treated by men.
Korean womenWomen have a weird take on how they’re treated by men – it’s because we have periods and we have to give births.Come on yuna, don’t tell me you’re hiding behind the period. I believe blaming women’s behavior on the period went out a long time ago.
theotherkorean? have you ever had a PMS?
i think it’s god’s own joke on the humankind – give them pms… mhahahaha.
there is no evolutionary need for this suffering/symptom yet we have it.
mhahahaha.
I have written about this extensively in the past but it seems I need to repeat this again. The job of “saving Korean women” belongs to Korean women, not foreigners, not white guys, etc. If there’s too much drunken, out-of-control ajussi’s in Korea, it’s because Korean women (mothers, wives, etc) have neglected their responsibility as an organized, social reform minded civic force in modern Korean society. Bonojit Hussein really should have been a Korean ajumma. There’s really no excuse for this anymore. But instead of agitating for gender equality, Korean women are too busy engaging in reverse-sexism and status-worship.
Any other group of women in the world would find the notion of needing to be “saved” by white guys an abhorrence. Only Korean women (and Asian women, in general) are comfortable with this.
Well yuna, men and women have things that can be advantageous to them and things that are disadvantageous. Works both ways.
But instead of agitating for gender equality, Korean women are too busy engaging in reverse-sexism and status-worship.
Now that, I can agree with.
like, the wheel?
like, mosquito bites?
but we have gender equality already. my mum controls my dad, and my brother’s wife controls my brother, and hopefully, some day, i will control my very own netizen kim.
Well I was thinking along the lines of things such as military service, you know Korean men have to go but Korean women don’t have to, etc. But if you insist on sticking to the wheel and the mosquito, you’re more than welcome.
hopefully, some day, i will control my very own netizen kim.
You wish to have your very own netizen kim? God be with you.
God be with you.
She’s a Korean Woman™. What do you expect?
netizen kim, my singling out expression of endearment is like the kiss of death on this blog as we’ve seen already. don’t be too happy.
well, we have seen the other example too recently, of ms symbols who’s said korean men don’t like her and therefore she doesn’t like korean men. so that TM mark is not so homogeneous.
Very interesting article from Prof.Hussain today. It’s definitely worth a read. Here’s an excerpt:
“. . . I believe that the extensive media coverage definitely had a considerably positive impact on Korean society. It is imperative for any society in order to address emerging issues of social conflict to discuss and deliberate them. The extensive media coverage has precisely prompted Korean society to do just that – to talk about racism – whether they agree or disagree is of a secondary importance. In recent months racism has been discussed in Korean society in way it has never been before.
However, the media can’t be absolved of portraying only part of the story. The male dominated Korean media utterly failed to show the ugly underbelly of sexism and gendered discrimination of society, which was so blatantly present in our case. Han Ji-sun was not only the victim of sexist comments, but she was also physically assaulted.
Moreover, Han was my co-complainant in both the court case and the petition to the National Human Rights Commission of Korea. Like numerous other women-related issues, the mainstream Korean media conveniently pushed her story into oblivion.
Before being kicked, Han was called a “Joseon Bitch” and was asked “how does it feel to date a black bastard?” This is an isolated incident. I have met numerous Korean women who had similar experiences while being with non-Korean men.
In fact after our incident was covered by the media, I received many e-mails and letters from anonymous Korean women who are married to “other” Asians. They invariably reported the same story: When they got married, they were called “prostitutes” – sometimes even by Korean family members. Considering the seriousness and frequency of violence against Korean women in these kinds of incidents, the mainstream Korean media deserves to be strongly condemned for having failed in bringing forth the sexist dimension of the whole incident on the bus.
But one of the interesting things arising out of this case has been the response from the expat community in Korea, especially some Western ones . . .”
Read the whole article here:
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2009/12/02/200912020049.asp
You must log in to post a comment.
{ 1 trackback }