Total nancydom has been achieved

by Andy Jackson on November 23, 2009

in Asides, Korean Society

Spotted in the restroom at the college where I teach:  A boy primping his hair with the straightening iron. 

I am not opposed to guys messing with their hair (the Spartans did) but using a straightening iron somehow just strikes me as wrong.

I blame Big Bang.

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1 Mizar5 November 23, 2009 at 1:18 pm

One wonders what it is that made his hair curl.

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2 pawikirogii November 23, 2009 at 1:36 pm

teen boy of the week, zak efron, does that. so do a lot of other male stars. young guys use irons. please come out of casket, old man.

‘One wonders what it is that made his hair curl.;

no, YOU wonder.

racist creep.

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3 Bipolar Mindscrew November 23, 2009 at 2:27 pm

Bill Cosby used a straitening iron. He’s odd but not nancy.

Why is this post-worthy?

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4 StevieBee November 23, 2009 at 4:58 pm

This post lacks any sort of notability whatsoever. Boys using straighteners has been going on for years. There was even quite a rash of it in the UK about five years ago.

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5 SomeguyinKorea November 23, 2009 at 11:28 pm

Big Bang…Come on…Whoever came with that name has got to be a fan of South Park.

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6 Mizar5 November 24, 2009 at 3:49 am

wjk:”racist creep.”

Quite a creative coinage akin to “bracket creep” or “job creep,” used to describe the slow movement of something beyond its natural boundries. It would appear to indicate the psychological imputation of his racism onto others.

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7 The Western Confucian November 24, 2009 at 4:02 am

It’s no wonder the proto-neocon Spartans messed with their hair, and that they did is reason enough to oppose the practice.

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8 greenstone November 24, 2009 at 4:48 am

I actually love the androgyny embraced by Korean and other Asian men. It busts the stereotype that “straight people” must be a certain way and “gay people” must be a certain way. Who says the West circa 2009 has a monopoly on defining gender identity? Sometimes culture is indeed relative. Historically, there have been straight men wearing wigs, powder, tights, and high heels, as well as men with long braided hair and men in “skirts,” and in the future, there will surely be things we can’t even imagine now.

Anyway, this post has the unfortunate reek of homophobia. “Nancydom”? Really? If your student happens to be gay, why should you care?

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9 NetizenKim November 24, 2009 at 5:16 am

Excerpt from Fred Reed’s latest outburst:

“I’m a metrosexual, meek, mild, and ineffectual/My girlfriend takes karate, stands up to use the potty/
We’re gender-confused to the tips of our shoes/The all-new American couple.”

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10 mkaplan November 24, 2009 at 5:18 am

Fred Reed is great.

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11 mkaplan November 24, 2009 at 5:21 am

It busts the stereotype that “straight people” must be a certain way and “gay people” must be a certain way.

In the final analysis, straight people must be a certain way and gay people must be a certain way.

If your student happens to be gay, why should you care?

You might not care if your student is a homo, but most guys certainly would if their son was.

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12 wookinponub November 24, 2009 at 5:31 am

Was there a manpurse nearby, or was it on a chain and painted Harley colors?

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13 NetizenKim November 24, 2009 at 5:37 am

Why is this post-worthy?

I suppose if I were a beleaguered white boy in Korea, constantly being clowned by ajossi and such, my dick will feel bigger also if I read stuff like this.

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14 mkaplan November 24, 2009 at 6:50 am

NetizenKim, what kind of wolf is that supposed to be? Standard gray wolf? And is it supposed to symbolize somthing, or did you just pick it for no particular reason?

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15 Mizar5 November 24, 2009 at 6:54 am

Thank you, NK. We now understand that white boys in Korea suffer from a penis inferiority complex.

Frankly, I feel it’s about time Korean males took more pride in their appearance. More power to them.

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16 NetizenKim November 24, 2009 at 7:07 am

#14 I dunno. I just happen to like wolves.

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17 greenstone November 24, 2009 at 8:51 am

In the final analysis, straight people must be a certain way and gay people must be a certain way.

This hardly justifies judging people in the very first analysis of outer appearance and mannerisms. Or judging them because of their sexual orientation — perceived or actual — at all.

You might not care if your student is a homo, but most guys certainly would if their son was.

It’s important to see whether this “caring” comes from a discomfort with homosexuality, or more broadly, gender nonconformity. And in the case of the original poster, it clearly did — gender-nonconforming behavior “just strikes [him] as wrong.”

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18 BusanAjossi November 24, 2009 at 12:50 pm

You don’t seem to have a problem with the fact that his hair was presumably long enough to even be able to use a straightening iron, which is something my grandfather’s generation might have considered “nancy”. Real men didn’t have hair that long in his day.

Fashions change. So what.

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19 mkaplan November 24, 2009 at 1:18 pm

This hardly justifies judging people in the very first analysis of outer appearance and mannerisms. Or judging them because of their sexual orientation — perceived or actual — at all.

I’m not exactly sure what you mean by “judging.”

It’s important to see whether this “caring” comes from a discomfort with homosexuality, or more broadly, gender nonconformity. And in the case of the original poster, it clearly did — gender-nonconforming behavior “just strikes [him] as wrong.”

Ultimately it’s not that important. Because they’re fundamentally tied together. The “discomfort” with “gender nonconformity” is quite obviously rooted in a “discomfort” with homosexuality. There’s an intuitive sense held by most people that causes them to link “gender nonconformity” to homosexuality.

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20 cmm November 24, 2009 at 1:39 pm

@16 I assumed that you were trying to associate the intimidating image of the wolf with yourself… you know, to try to compensate. Much like the phenomenon of the guy with a small gochu insisting on driving a sports car. Incidentally, your posts suggest that you have a very fast sports car.

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21 yuna November 24, 2009 at 1:55 pm

you know, to try to compensate

so what does that tell us about ihbb’s avatar – that his christmas ding dongs are ringing merrily and not under a fist?

sometimes what you see is what you get.

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22 greenstone November 24, 2009 at 3:16 pm

I think we’re drifting from the original post and my response to it, but I’m slightly taken aback that my words have been so misunderstood and would like to clarify:

I’m not exactly sure what you mean by “judging.”

“Judging” referred to the original poster’s assertion that a man using a hair iron is or appears gay, and therefore is wrong. Calling something wrong is a pretty strong judgment.

Ultimately it’s not that important. Because they’re fundamentally tied together. The “discomfort” with “gender nonconformity” is quite obviously rooted in a “discomfort” with homosexuality. There’s an intuitive sense held by most people that causes them to link “gender nonconformity” to homosexuality.

“Important” referred to the need to examine why someone cares whether their student, son, etc., is gay — which I suggested was rooted in discomfort with homosexuality, something that may more broadly be called discomfort with gender nonconformity. I wasn’t distinguishing between discomfort with homosexuality and discomfort with gender nonconformity, which I agree is not relevant to our conversation here.

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23 mkaplan November 24, 2009 at 3:49 pm

Calling something wrong is a pretty strong judgment.

Is calling 2+2=5 wrong a “pretty strong judgment”?

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24 iheartblueballs November 24, 2009 at 3:51 pm

so what does that tell us about ihbb’s avatar

yuna, try as you might, I’m not sending you any additional pictures of the plum under my fist. Especially after you admitted having the fucking oppa voice. You’d have been better off saying you have chronic vaginal odor and a stache.

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25 Granfalloon November 24, 2009 at 4:03 pm

When Mr. Jackson referred to the aforementioned follicle treatment as “wrong,” I don’t think he meant “wrong” in any ethical sense. He did not mean it in the same way as one might say “Rape is wrong.” Rather, he meant it as odd and within a certain context inappropriate. For example, as someone might say “Wearing a black belt with loafers is wrong.”

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26 greenstone November 24, 2009 at 4:33 pm

Is calling 2+2=5 wrong a “pretty strong judgment”?

If you seriously think that there is moral equivalence between calling 2+2=5 and calling someone’s gender identity wrong, then what more can I say?

Rather, he meant it as odd and within a certain context inappropriate.

Actually, what he said was:
nan·cy (nān’sē)
n. pl. nan·cies also nanc·es Offensive Slang
Used as a disparaging term for an effeminate man, especially a homosexual man.

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27 greenstone November 24, 2009 at 4:36 pm

Typo:
…between calling 2+2=5 wrong and…

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28 mkaplan November 24, 2009 at 4:44 pm

If you seriously think that there is moral equivalence between calling 2+2=5 and calling someone’s gender identity wrong, then what more can I say?

Well didn’t you say that “Calling something wrong is a pretty strong judgment”?

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29 greenstone November 24, 2009 at 5:13 pm

Sorry, Granfalloon, I think my response to your comment had an unintentionally dismissive tone. Your point is well taken. But if that’s what Mr. Jackson really meant (i.e., he isn’t used to seeing guys using hair irons, so it seemed odd to him), he should have said just that, without the extra homophobic commentary.

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30 mkaplan November 24, 2009 at 5:22 pm

But if that’s what Mr. Jackson really meant (i.e., he isn’t used to seeing guys using hair irons, so it seemed odd to him), he should have said just that, without the extra homophobic commentary.

No. What he really meant, and said, was the following: “I am not opposed to guys messing with their hair (the Spartans did) but using a straightening iron somehow just strikes me as wrong.”

He, along with everyone else here, doesn’t need to be told what he should and shouldn’t say by self-appointed though police like you.

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31 mkaplan November 24, 2009 at 5:23 pm

*thought police like you.

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32 Andy Jackson November 25, 2009 at 10:18 pm

It is worse than some of you think; I believe baby boys should be dressed in blue and little girls in pink.

I expect that guys using straightening irons will go the way of zipper jackets dudes wearing platform shoes with goldfish swimming in them soon enough.

As for this comment section’s gay defense league member who (ironically enough) seems to be laboring under the impression that there is a 1:1 relationship between being nancy and being homosexual, I refer you to the village massacre bit towards the end of Xenephon’s Anabasis. That gay Greek was one tough hombre.

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