I Don’t Think That Gesture Means What You Think It Means

by Robert Koehler on August 24, 2009

in Korean Tabloid Crap

I always thought that Lollipod commercial was pretty gay (not that there’s anything wrong with that, of course), but not this gay.

(HT to Brian)

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1 WeikuBoy August 24, 2009 at 1:38 pm

The whole Big Bang/2NE1 Lollipop song is about oral sex.
Is it possible the performers don’t know that? (I doubt it.)
The censors, maybe; but not the performers. They must know; right?
(It sort of gives a whole new dimension to the phrase “lip synching”.)

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2 Sperwer August 24, 2009 at 1:42 pm

The whole Big Bang/2NE1 Lollipop song is about oral sex.
Is it possible the performers don’t know that? (I doubt it.)

Right; it’s not even “gay” — it’s just prurient and in bad taste — unlike, of course, the ramen commercial a few years ago with the girl slurping — what turn out to be noodles :)

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3 Railwaycharm August 24, 2009 at 1:44 pm

There are no Gays in Korea, everyone knows it!

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4 KrZ August 24, 2009 at 1:59 pm

Nothing gay about a friendly brojob, shared between bros.

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5 Uri Onara August 24, 2009 at 2:38 pm

Not going to touch that with a 10 foot pole.

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6 Sperwer August 24, 2009 at 3:28 pm

Nothing gay about a friendly brojob, shared between bros

May not be gay, but sure makes you a homosexualist, even if it’s in the “manly” division–make no mistake about that.

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7 CaptBBQ August 24, 2009 at 3:47 pm

More like Big “Gay” Bang.

At the same time there are the American songs with overly explicit lyrics played in public with children and family running around doing they’re normal day to day routine. Every morning in my apartments gym some hip-hop song would come on with some woman singing “Like my pu*** crack, mmm, yeah, you should lick my crack , just like you should” ad nauseum, in fact it seems the song had no other lyrics than that. I felt an obligation to explain to the woman at the desk how vulger the song was and that they neeed to change the music, but on the other hand if I ever explained what they were saying to the woman at the counter, I would probably end up hauled off by the police.

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8 red sparrow August 24, 2009 at 5:19 pm

Have you seen that thar new-fangled singing boy Elvis? He sure does dance something lewd and lascivious.

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9 SomeguyinKorea August 24, 2009 at 7:05 pm

It’s certainly not the first nor the best seemingly innocent song about lollipops/blow jobs ever written.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q_srJGOkFE

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10 SomeguyinKorea August 24, 2009 at 7:14 pm

…or rather, oral sex (although, I wonder if the song wasn’t originally written for a girl band).

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11 Jewook August 24, 2009 at 9:23 pm

Anyone see the new commercial for a cell phone called the “Magic Hole .” :) And to add to the gayness the two guys hug each other at the end.

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12 Jewook August 24, 2009 at 9:33 pm

Link:
http://search.daum.net/search?.....8%A6%C6%F9

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13 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 August 25, 2009 at 12:51 am

if Korea was as gay as you wanted it to be, there’d be an AIDS epidemic like that of Thailand.

But there isn’t one, is there?

This is the 99th time that Korean boyband has been accused of being closet homos.
They don’t always have to be N’sync, the band you probably grew up with.

I hope your mixed Korean children males turn out to be as gay as you wanted Korean males to be. Then you would be happy, at least, I think.
He’ll be sucking a lot of hotdogs down his throat, and you’ll be a happy old white guy and so proud of him, too. And bury him before you die, because stats show male homosexuals are most vulnerable to AIDS.

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14 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 August 25, 2009 at 1:05 am

the ugly truth that the gay community would like to bury from the heterosexuals, is that many self proclaimed ‘genetic gays’ are actually switch hitters.

they fuck plenty of women, despite claiming they are born to bang men, as being born men themselves.

they try to spin it off with the bisexual thing.

but, bisexuals must be much fewer in number than the pure gays, if we play by their genetic rules.

the curious thing is, of course, we see Larry Craig and Jim McGreevey getting caught, but apparently bangers of women and men. Neither claim to be bisexual. Both defy stats. If anything, the homosexual US Senator or the homosexual US Governor caught in a scandal should be homosexual rather than bisexual. Take Ted Haggard, Preacher, as another example. Is he bi or gay? What about Greenday’s Billie Joe Armstrong? He tries to pass it off like he’s so cooool, because he bangs both ways. You must ask yourself why everyone who is high profile by pure chance happens to bang both man and woman. You can either believe that bisexuals outnumber gays by a whopper, OR gays are being dishonest about this notion that they are soley and only attracted to the same sex for the most part and it is unethical and immoral for them to consider the other option, heterosexual sex. I think they do plenty of that voluntarily. But, for their agenda of universal gay marriage, they won’t ever admit it.

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15 KrZ August 25, 2009 at 1:45 am

wjk if you oppose homosexual men then you are in favor of more heterosexual men being out there, draining women from your pool of possible targets. Therefore, you are gay.

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16 SomeguyinKorea August 25, 2009 at 8:54 am

wjk,

N’sync? What are you? A child?

Most of us here grew up listening to British bands that were famous for fucking groupies and ripping off Willie Dixon, Muddy Waters, and Robert Johnson.

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17 SomeguyinKorea August 25, 2009 at 9:07 am

I was also partial to P-funk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw-ie2ZzvFQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

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18 Acropolis7 August 25, 2009 at 9:22 am

#14. He’s the same age as me, 29. And I think that him suggesting that many people here may be younger than him is kind of funny.

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19 mateomiguel August 25, 2009 at 9:38 am

wjk, can you change your name to cosine?

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20 aaronm August 25, 2009 at 10:06 am

WJK, your closet is ready to come out of. All that self loathing will kill you.

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21 aaronm August 25, 2009 at 10:24 am

Oh yeah, and I don’t know which is more disturbing, your “knowledge” of who is banging whom or your utter ignorance on the subject.

As someone who writes on HIV/AIDS in the SE Asian region your pinpointing of Thailand is redolent of the kind of stereotyping you bemoan on this board. You’d do well to see that the country got things right early on by promoting condom usage and thus brought their rates down vis-a-vis other countries who suffered too much Judeo-Christian/Confucian/Hindu/Islamic guilt to deal with the problem in a mature fashion.

You’ve also missed the point of reporting. Many countries either lack the health services or the will to report cases. Go the UNAIDS site and look at the country report for Korea where there are no reported pediatric cases for either 2001 and 2007. You have to be skeptical of that figure, unless you are as glib as the mad mullah I saw quoted in the local paper yesterday who said “there is never anything hateful said in a mosque”. Uh huh, just as trite as saying there are no homosexuals in Korea.

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22 theotherkorean August 25, 2009 at 10:44 am

Considering that the name of the phone in question is “Lollipop”, the singer in question may just be imitating the sucking of a lollipop, which means that we’re all overreacting.

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23 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 August 25, 2009 at 10:53 am

there are less homos in Korea, I don’t find it surprising that there aren’t pediatric cases of HIV/AIDS in Korea.

how would a mother give to a kid? Mommy’s on IV drugs. Mommy’s banging a dude with AIDS. Stats show this is most likely ‘the bisexual’.

First of all, South Korea is a world top 40 nation, which has overcome military rule, destruction from war, and total lack of industrial infrastructure, with first class hospitals.

Second, intravenous drug use is much, much lower than that of North America or Europe, which are fed drugs by Latin America and the Middle East.

3rd, homosexuals hide if they exist in South Korea. They are getting bang bang, ah, ah, ah, please, please, oh, baby, etc, much, much less frequent than the ones in Thailand or North America.

if you want to play the under reporting game, China is said to be rampant with AIDS. Poor people are selling plasma and blood with shitty facilities. Condom usage is like that of a third world. Still want to blame religion, here, do ya? The government itself is a quasi Nazi government with secret police, suppressment of racial minorities, unification doctrine under money, no challenge to its rule, etc.

So, answer the question, dude.
Why can’t Indonesia do things South Korea can?
Ha, ha. Aaron.

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24 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 August 25, 2009 at 11:02 am

also, South Korea screens foreigner entering with HIV tests.
Honestly, I don’t know how much good this does, there is still a 3 month incubation period, and South Korean dongs traveling to China and Southeast Asia to get laid are probably more likely to bring back AIDS to Korea. They should test the adjoshis and yoohaksaengs.

but, ethically, how is South Korea’s foreigner entry HIV exam any different than US immigration policy that bars HIV infected people from gaining permanent residence or US blood donations questionaires that ask you in so many words whether or not you fucked someone from Africa? You know, the continent where HIV has mutated from one strain to 3 at my last count. HIV-1, HIV-2, HIV-3. They need a lot of condoms.

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25 KrZ August 25, 2009 at 11:35 am

You know, the continent where HIV has mutated from one strain to 3 at my last count.

There is HIV type 1 and HIV type 2, the Cameroonian case you are probably thinking of, and which led you to state that there are 3 strains, is now HIV-1 group P. It goes type->group->subtype->strains. So you are tremendously off base in terms of both number and nomenclature by saying there are “3 strains.” I find it really hard to believe that you are in any way involved in medicine at anything beyond the level of mopping floors or answering phone calls.

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26 shakuhachi August 25, 2009 at 11:42 am

KrZ, your disbelief is disappointing. WJK has testified that he is a medical student at a “five finger university”. You need to learn to take statements people make at face value.

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27 WeikuBoy August 25, 2009 at 11:48 am

“Considering that the name of the phone in question is “Lollipop”, the singer in question may just be imitating the sucking of a lollipop …”

Big Bang/2NE1’s Lollipop is a K-Pop hit, not just a song in an ad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIRW_elc-rY

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28 Railwaycharm August 25, 2009 at 11:56 am

@ # 4. You remind me of Bill Clinton; “I didn’t inhale”. If you put a man’s dick in your mouth, you are a fag. Just because you use a trendy name for it does not detract from the fact, you are a pillow bitter. That being said, I love to eat pussy, maybe I am a lesbian trapped in a man’s body?

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29 KrZ August 25, 2009 at 12:23 pm

You can’t be serious. Next you’ll be telling me it’s gay to sleep with Bangkok ladyboys.

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30 Railwaycharm August 25, 2009 at 12:32 pm

GAY as a picnic basket!

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31 SomeguyinKorea August 25, 2009 at 2:32 pm

theotherkorean,

You can’t possibly be that naive.

Look at the video I posted above…Everybody but the singer (or so she now claims) knew what she really was singing about when she sang about a girl being in heaven when the “sweet barley sugar flowed down her throat”…and that was nearly 45 years ago.

Tell me, why is “English” used in K-pop? The most obvious reason is to make the singers appear more refined and international to their audience. But, it’s also so that they can say certain thinks (usually sexual in nature) that would be taboo in Korean (much to the delight of the kids who think their parents can’t “break the code”). In other words, if fits their purpose…But, I’m really not impressed with the English double entendres in Korean song. It’s too safe, even cowardly. It’s not as if the band came out with a Korean only song about a poor farm boy asking a rich city girl to take his tractor for a spin. Now, the shit storm that would create would be something.

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32 cmm August 25, 2009 at 2:34 pm

KrZ, I’ll help you finish correcting wjk.

“also, South Korea screens foreigner entering with HIV tests.”

Not all of them. I’ve never had to get tested.

“Honestly, I don’t know how much good this does, there is still a 3 month incubation period.”

No, HIV can be detected in a matter of weeks after infection. If you test for the virus. If you test for the antibodies, it takes several months before the body builds up a detectable level. If Korean immigration DID test everyone, and they tested for the virus (which I believe is more expensive than testing for antibodies), it could be more effective.

But I do agree with you on this point. If the country really wants to slow the incoming HIV, they’d need to figure out how to catch the adjoshis and yoohaksaengs who go and contract it from China and Southeast Asia, etc. Testing people coming back at the airport though obviously wouldn’t be possible.

KrZ, in my opinion, you are the best thing to happen to the Marmot’s Hole since pawi left.

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33 cmm August 25, 2009 at 2:35 pm

…except for the nasty websites to which you list.

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34 aaronm August 25, 2009 at 2:39 pm

Errm, Pawi=WJK

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35 Jewook August 25, 2009 at 2:41 pm

Lollipop is a K-Pop hit, not just a song in an ad.

Lollipop was made to be used in the cell phone commercial. Then distributed as a digital single afterwards. They do this a lot. Other examples would be Son Dambi & After School’s “Amoled” and Ivy’s “Cat’s Eye.” I’d say a cheap marketing ploy.

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36 Railwaycharm August 25, 2009 at 2:45 pm

“Errm, Pawi=WJK”

Nah, not enough self-righteous indignation to be pawi.

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37 cmm August 25, 2009 at 2:46 pm

“Errm, Pawi=WJK”

I disagree. They each have their own style of stupid. So does Netizen Kim.

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38 aaronm August 25, 2009 at 3:37 pm

all these cockless proto-adjoshis look, sound and read the same to me, mate. As the Thais say, same same.

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39 NewYorkTom August 25, 2009 at 10:38 pm

WJK at it again. I love his logical reasoning. Reminds me of my friend’s four year old son I was babysitting the other day.

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40 NewYorkTom August 25, 2009 at 10:43 pm

WJK is also forgetting the fact that Koreans dont test themselves, alwyas concluding that the anma girl they fucked the other night doesnt have any STDs simply because she’s Korean.

I have a friend who loves to go whoring and he’s caught gonorrhea, crabs and syphillis in about ten year’s time. Mind you, I never share any food/drink with this guy when we go out and eat. And he’s never gotten tested for AIDS because he believes Koreans are so clean they cant get AIDS.

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41 theotherkorean August 25, 2009 at 10:57 pm

You can’t possibly be that naive.

Okay. How is having a different idea about what the singer might be trying to express being naive? We’re all entitled to our opinions and just because a certain person’s opinion differs doesn’t necessarily make it wrong.

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42 Maximus2008 August 25, 2009 at 11:17 pm

“KrZ, in my opinion, you are the best thing to happen to the Marmot’s Hole since pawi left.”

I echo that. Thumbs up to Mizar as well. One of Top 3 commenters, IMHO. And I’m saying that with respect.

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