Open Thread #114

by Robert Koehler on August 22, 2009

in Open Thread

Have a good weekend. Unless you’re Mitch Koss.

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1 gbevers August 22, 2009 at 10:02 am

This guy deserves a special place in hell: “Man Orders Hit on Adoptive Mother for Inheritance”

The mother knew that if she gave the guy money, he would just gamble it away, and she was right. Out of 2 billion won, he lost 1.55 billion betting on horse races in just three months. What an idiot!

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2 tonyhellmann August 22, 2009 at 10:45 am

Mike Yates criminal investigation for libel is still ongoing.

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3 abcdefg August 22, 2009 at 11:12 am

I’m sure I’ve come across this guy’s videos before, but I came across them again and find them quite interesting and informative.

I’ll post a sample…

Speed and Knockout punch, by Choson Ninja:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmEdjQ14t9I

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4 WangKon936 August 22, 2009 at 11:30 am

The most sensible thing I’ve heard about addressing Korea’s low birth rate problem…

http://english.chosun.com/site.....00721.html

Make childcare affordable…. now if only some people would talk about the educations systems, now you may have something.

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5 yuna August 22, 2009 at 11:52 am

http://www.cbs.co.kr/nocut/show.asp?idx=1239274

Vera Hohleiter from Misuda wrote a “Lost-in-Translation” style – young attractive white female in an Asian city -love – trendy book –
“Schlaflos in Seoul. ”
She is under fire from some Koreans who got the wrong end of the stick due to some selective and intentional translation by a Korean in Germany who picked up on the negative points and put it on the blog, Some other Korean in Germany has started to put the entire translation in Vera Hohleiter’s defense, to put it in more perspective.
I’ve read the book in bits I could find on the web and I don’t think it’s negative about Korea at all. I think I like it. I think 1/3 of the Korean comments agree with me, that she’s got a point and it’s valid what she says, and that some Koreans as usual are over-reacting and they are worried that they will lose yet another foreign personality interested in Korea from stupid people over-reacting and being nationalistic…
I hope she can hear us.

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6 yuna August 22, 2009 at 11:59 am

Please, someone get me the href mop.

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7 abcdefg August 22, 2009 at 12:19 pm

I like “Smile Vera”. She’s kind like a cheerful grandmom stuck in a twenty-something yo’s body, and she was the one who mentioned about male foreigners in Korea who are “LBH,” or losers back home. Kekeke.

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8 conell August 22, 2009 at 1:12 pm

Richard Allen, national security adviser under President Ronald Reagan met Prof. 손석희 and talked about DJ and the Reagan administration. Interesing stuff.

http://imbbs.imbc.com/view.mbc.....id=focus03 (Korean)

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9 SomeguyinKorea August 22, 2009 at 1:52 pm

Wangkon,

That’s a load of crap.

If child care was any cheaper in Korea, it would be free. Most daycare centres and kindergartens receive government subsidies, and for that reason, fees normally hover at around 200 000 won per month. Moreover, the government offers additional subsidies to families whose total income is less than about 3.6 million won per month, granting up to a 50% reduction in fees (so, about 100 000 won per month) and even offers additional subsidies to families that have more than one preschooler enrolled.

Sure, there are many daycare centres and kindergartens that charge more (one of the most popular gimmicks used to double and even triple fees being lessons in English), but they are not the norm.

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10 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 August 22, 2009 at 1:53 pm

(Beautiful Eurasian News Anchor Maria Ozawa Desiring Nakadashi Rape) featured Maria Ozawa. Dasdas videos contain scenes of rape, creampie, urolagnia, enema and physical torture, themes not featured in the light hardcore style of her S1 videos. Her first “interracial” title Multiple Black Rape (黒人輪姦) was released from Dasdas in May 2008.

let’s explore this a little further to understand and possibly befriend our Japanese colleagues. Thanks to the internet,
1/ nakadashi = ejac inside the vagina
2/ rape=rape. (Rape is entertainment in Japan. Makes sense about pussy brigades following front line troops to battle).
3/ urolagnia = making Ozawa piss on film.
4/ enema= Ozawa is not a grandma, so this is wrong, man.
5/ physical torture= fits perfectly with Jungshindae personal accounts.
6/ “interracial” title Multiple Black Rape (黒人輪姦). As a person who have seen all varieties, black dong is indeed king dong. The Japanese are using Japanese blackmen expats in Japan to use these king dongs as some sort of parallel to octopus with tentacles banging a girl, or having sex with a long dong creature like a horse or a dog. How racist of the Japanese to do this.

what is sad about Japanese porn. Korean males like tsong and wangkon are addicted to it and they LIKE it. These rape style porns are eye openers to them and like a secret girl friend. Hey, dude, stop participating in anti Japan things. You’re a hypocrite.

natto, still waiting for your defense that Japanese porn is NOT torture of women and basically NOT rape porn. It is ! It’s disgusting.

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11 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 August 22, 2009 at 1:57 pm

“Rape is entertainment in Japan.”
-wjk.

Let the Defender of Japan come out and provide proof that it isn’t.
Shakunaku? Natto? Anyone?

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12 SomeguyinKorea August 22, 2009 at 2:25 pm

wjk,

How is American puritanical ideology relevant in the context of Japanese porn involving French Canadian actresses?

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13 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 August 22, 2009 at 3:28 pm

so you condone using ‘rape’ as a theme of adult entertainment?

thank God that Ashcroft made child porn illegal and prosecutable.

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14 hardyandtiny August 22, 2009 at 3:45 pm

you mean the fawari the lambo and all that?

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15 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 August 22, 2009 at 3:57 pm

Miss August, Ms. Christina Chorong Kim.

Kim Jongil
Kim Chorong
Kim Daejung

Do I need to provide more visual proof?

http://sportsphoto.news.naver......;id=225643

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16 Brett M. August 22, 2009 at 4:49 pm

From the Chosun Ilbo today ( Sat ) – “Workers in Seoul Toil 2nd Longest Hours in the World” / pardon ? surely they jest / if someone could please define / sitting in the office all day, day dreaming, playing games on their computers, talking on their cell phones does NOT constitute work.

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17 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 August 22, 2009 at 5:49 pm

they do that in the US, too.
Where do you think the sitcom, “Office” came from? Certainly there is some truth to it.

Also, it depends on where you work. If you work in an important place where competition and deadlines are pressing, people don’t fuck around.

Maybe Brett, you work in a shit place.

There is always a busy and easy season, too.

One more reason for tort reform in America.
If speed limits are 65mph and cops don’t tag unless you go 80mph plus, why are cars manufactured to go 100-120 mph?
Isn’t that unethical?

Traffic courts, traffic case lawyers, and cops seem to be operating a scam where no matter what happens, local governments are making cash from stopping a car.
It’s quite obvious to me that it costs money to catch actual criminals versus making money from harmless citizens going slightly over 80mph in a highway.
This is an international scam by governments, of course, but in the US, lawyers make a living allowance out of it.

we don’t need more lawyers.
we need way less number of lawyers.

Did you know that in Florida, Pediatricians have a malpractice insurance annual fee of $500k dollars? Pediatricians cannot make a living in Florida, practicing solo. They are fleeing to nearby states with more reasonable malpractice insurance laws and fees. So people are left to university systems, hospitalists, and resident physicians. Who are the lawyers helping? Why are the lawyers bent on healthcare reform? Why are the lawyers not cutting out their own pork in the heatlhcare machine they’ve been raping?

It’s true, man. Most lawyers will go to hell.

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18 yuna August 22, 2009 at 5:59 pm

“Office” originally from Staines. The US one’s just not right. Watch the original one, wjk.

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19 yuna August 22, 2009 at 6:06 pm

Or Slough even.

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20 yuna August 22, 2009 at 6:08 pm

Staines is where aliG is from.

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21 Sperwer August 22, 2009 at 6:23 pm

they do that in the US, too.

Sure, but what are the relative productivity rates?

Answer (not that I don’t trust you guys to stay on topic):

Although in the period 1992-2006 (according to the US Dept of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics), South Korea manifested a world leading average annual growth rate in manufacturing output per hour of 9% (Sweden was second at 6.9% and the US fourth at 4.8%), total 2007 productivity measures for Korea and the US, per the OECD, were ~22 and ~55, respectively (reflecting, no doubt, a truly appalling productivity rate in the heavily protected Korean service markets (on a comparative basis Korean lawyers are infinitely worse bloodsuckers of national wealth than American ambulance chasers).

Sitcoms aren’t are very reliable guide to reality.

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22 Arghaeri August 22, 2009 at 6:37 pm

“Where do you think the sitcom, “Office” came from?”
Hilarious, most certainly not the US of A, listen to Yuna WJK

No worries Yuna, both Staines and Slough were chosen for the Office and AliG due to their bleak boring drabness they would be easily confused even if you were in them at the time.

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23 SomeguyinKorea August 22, 2009 at 7:29 pm

so you condone using ‘rape’ as a theme of adult entertainment?

thank God that Ashcroft made child porn illegal and prosecutable.

Clearly, my question flew right over your head with that answer.

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24 dogbertt August 22, 2009 at 7:52 pm

Let me tell you about “tort reform”.

Let’s imagine you or one of your relatives was treated by a doctor who amputated a healthy limb instead of the one that was supposed to be removed.

“Oops! My bad!” Sorry, but no money for you, you have to lump it. We’ll throw in a used wheelchair, though.

Or, your doctor misreads a “50″ on your chart as a “500″ and oops! inadvertent OD and you’re with the angels.

“Sorry we killed your dad, wasn’t our fault.” No money for you, though, we have to keep our malpractice insurance premiums close to zero.

There is no need for “tort reform”, there is need for “physician reform”.

Competent doctors = no torts = no tort reform necessary.

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25 Brendon Carr August 22, 2009 at 8:49 pm

Dogbertt, like me, is a lawyer and so he strongly believes in remedies for injuries…

Some of the medical malpractice stories are pretty shocking. I think I dodged a bullet back when I was in the military (servicemembers cannot sue the government for malpractice). During my initial language training, my wisdom teeth were impacted and the dentist recommended that they be extracted under general anaesthesia, because I was such a tender crybaby.

Service members at that time had to carry around their medical records from place to place as a sheaf of papers in a folder (is this still the case?), and to sit around for a long time waiting for things. So there was opportunity to read the file. Imagine my surprise to see that the treatment record reported Brendon Carr to be a 19 year-old black male! I’ve always wondered what surgery was scheduled for that guy — thank goodness it wasn’t the penile reduction surgery WJK thinks they all need.

I’m not black (see photo). That’s a detail that should have been obvious to anyone, yet there it was in my treatment record. Since then I’ve always been extra careful to go over all the details with physicians again and again, to avoid things like them lopping off the wrong leg.

Also I try to stay the hell away from every one of those quacks as much as I can.

Oh, and WJK? Ashcroft didn’t make child pornography illegal. It’s never been legal in the United States to produce or possess sexually explicit material with performers under 18. All the way back in 1982 — 18 years before John Ashcroft became US Attorney General in 2000 — the Supreme Court ruled that child pornography was not protected by the First Amendment. In 1982 John Ashcroft was still Attorney General of the State of Missouri; he hadn’t yet been elected our Governor.

Also, as a point of order, you do know about the different branches of government (legislative, executive, and judicial) and how a bill becomes a law, don’t you? The Congress (the legislative branch) passes the laws, not the Attorney General (the executive branch). He merely enforces the laws.

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26 Sperwer August 22, 2009 at 9:11 pm

Since then I’ve always been extra careful to go over all I’ve always been extra careful to go overthe details with physicians again and again, to avoid things like them lopping off the wrong leg.

When I had my right hand taken apart and stitched back together several years ago, I managed to head off having my perfectly good left hand subjected to the operation instead when, despite the fog of the pre-anesthesia I noticed the orderly was shaving my left arm instead of the right. The surgeon still managed to get me under full anesthesia despite my objections during the consult, though – albeit because he convinced me at the last quasi-incompetent moment that I would be making the sort of microscope guided micro-surgery involved very risky if I were to do any squirming around while watching him work while having just a local. The only other time I had surgery for which general was indicated, the anethesiologist actually backed me up when I refused the general anesthesia the surgeon ordered and gave me an epidural, so I got to watch the guy lay my belly open and go spelunking. It got a little uncomfortable towards the end, but that was a small price to pay to avoid the risks of general.

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27 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 August 22, 2009 at 9:19 pm

medical tort reform as far as I know it does not ask for ‘no money given for the doctor’s mistake’ like you are dishonestly saying.

it is asking for a reasonable cap.

you can’t be serious. Plenty of lawyers (fuckheads) are trying to become millionaires at the expense of raping the system and everyone else. Sometimes injured patients are asking for money they would have not earned in life. Quite often, the amount they seek in court is driven up by how much the lawyer thinks his new house will cost. As far as I know, it’s asking for equality with Europe, where injuries are itemized with a defined price tag. To discourage lawyers from taxing the system and to give a fair price, not an outrageous compensation to the injured party. Face it lawyers, you guys are weary of your bread basket, that’s all. It is actually in your own interest that tort reform takes place and the government closes down the excess of law schools in the USA. There are simply too many lawyers in the US versus Korea, Japan. Lots of hungry lawyers. My highschool econ teacher passed the bar, but was teaching highschool econ. He did go to a shitty lawschool, though. Whittier something in California.

Ashcroft may have not made child porn illegal, but I have only seen mass prosecution of it when Ashcroft was in charge. Famous actors and entertainers went to the slammers. Someguyinkorea is saying rape porn, enema porn, uro porn is okay and I am being ‘Puritan’ in opposing it. That’s all.

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28 Brendon Carr August 22, 2009 at 9:30 pm

Since this is an Open Thread, let me take this opportunity to note how awesome it is that McDonald’s will home-deliver an order of any size. Although I’d be ashamed to do it, I think they’d even scoot over a small fries if you had the hankering. Them fries is good.

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29 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 August 22, 2009 at 9:49 pm

Posted by: Dr. Syrin
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As I have said before, until Obama addressed defensive medicine and illegal immigration, I will not take him seriously when he says he wants to reduce the costs of health care. The OB’s at our hospital refer to their call nights as “Seniorita call” which is fairly self explanatory. It’s a huge drain on health care dollars. Defensive medicine costs hundreds of billions of dollars. Any patient who presents to any ER in the US and mentions any sort of abdominal pain will get a reflexive CYA CT of the abdomen. Fixing those 2 problems alone would save nearly half a trillion dollars worth of medical expenses, but he won’t address them but expects us to believe we will take him seriously about wanting to reduce the cost of health care? The voting populace may be uniformed and intellectually challenged, but the medical field is not.

By the way, for those not in medicine, do not think for a minute the AMA reflects the opinion of most MD’s. They represent only4-5% of MD’s as most are dislillsioned with the AMA and the stances they take. Furthermore, the AMA is very liberal compared to most MD’s.

http://www.americanthinker.com.....eform.html

If the president were really intent on “fixing what’s broken,” one of the first places he would look is the abusive filings of medical malpractice lawsuits. The fact that he has ruled this out suggests that he is not entirely forthright about “fixing what’s broken.” Instead, it suggests that he is using the term “fix” in quite another sense. The president is not going to touch tort reform as long as trial lawyers remain the largest contributor to the Democratic Party. The fix is in. This is not the new politics of change but the very old politics of pay and play. The trial bar is paying, and Obama is playing along.

The only conclusion one can reach from the president’s AMA speech is that he is not really serious about “fixing” health care. He is not serious when he calls on “all players” to make sacrifices. He is not serious about saving $300 billion on health care expenses. He is not really serious about fixing anything. But he is really serious about politics.

Dr. Jeffrey Folks taught for thirty years in universities in Europe, America, and Japan. He has published nine books and over a hundred articles

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30 Sperwer August 22, 2009 at 9:57 pm

Them fries is good.

Them fries are as addictive as crack and congestive heart failure in a paper sack.

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31 Jim_Kim August 22, 2009 at 10:07 pm

Yuna-Quite a few negative articles and blogging on Vera at the moment.
I expect we won’t see her on Misuda anymore because she is going against the show’s purpose. That is, stroke the Korean ego (particularly Korean men) and say nothing bad about Korea.

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32 Jim_Kim August 22, 2009 at 10:12 pm

BTW-Whenever I think expats are being difficult and unfair to Koreans, I will think of my recent trip to the Phillippines where, to put it gently, there does not seem to be a lot of love for Koreans

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33 wookinponub August 22, 2009 at 11:38 pm

In my OPINION, a certain “doctor” type around here is off his meds AGAIN. Please, if anyone knows him, DON’T go to him for treatment if/when he gets his degree. He’s psycho. If he’s am adamant anti-suing-doctor type, he must fear his own inadequacies as a professional healer.

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34 wookinponub August 22, 2009 at 11:42 pm

“an” adamant…

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35 hardyandtiny August 23, 2009 at 12:31 am

“Plenty of lawyers (fuckheads) are trying to become millionaires at the expense of raping the system and everyone else.”

Are the lawyers the ones who use rape as a theme for adult entertainment? I’m confused.

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36 R. Elgin August 23, 2009 at 1:23 am

I thought this was a telling bit of writing regarding “unsustainable farming practices” in the U.S.:

. . . Somewhere in Iowa, a pig is being raised in a confined pen, packed in so tightly with other swine that their curly tails have been chopped off so they won’t bite one another. To prevent him from getting sick in such close quarters, he is dosed with antibiotics. The waste produced by the pig and his thousands of pen mates on the factory farm where they live goes into manure lagoons that blanket neighboring communities with air pollution and a stomach-churning stench. He’s fed on American corn that was grown with the help of government subsidies and millions of tons of chemical fertilizer. When the pig is slaughtered, at about 5 months of age, he’ll become sausage or bacon that will sell cheap, feeding an American addiction to meat that has contributed to an obesity epidemic currently afflicting more than two-thirds of the population. And when the rains come, the excess fertilizer that coaxed so much corn from the ground will be washed into the Mississippi River and down into the Gulf of Mexico, where it will help kill fish for miles and miles around. That’s the state of your bacon — circa 2009.

http://www.time.com/time/healt.....-1,00.html

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37 R. Elgin August 23, 2009 at 1:29 am

I also thought of “Lost Nomad” when I read this one on mercury in every fish tested in U.S. streams:

http://www.dangerousminds.net/.....ok_on_the_

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38 hardyandtiny August 23, 2009 at 2:47 am

And the illegal drugs just keep flowing in…

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39 shakuhachi August 23, 2009 at 2:52 am

This documentary looks like one to watch.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecove/

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40 Acropolis7 August 23, 2009 at 5:53 am

” As a person who have seen all varieties, black dong is indeed king dong. The Japanese are using Japanese blackmen expats in Japan to use these king dongs as some sort of parallel to octopus with tentacles banging a girl, or having sex with a long dong creature like a horse or a dog. How racist of the Japanese to do this.”

Wjk– That first sentence had me rolling. Your making Mizar’s case very easy man. Lol, thanks for the laugh though.

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41 day4night August 23, 2009 at 6:33 am

OMG, after all this time will I be allowed to log in and post again?

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42 theotherkorean August 23, 2009 at 6:55 am

For those who live in Jeollanam-do and want to cool off while having fun but don’t want to spend the time and money to go all the way up to Seoul for a visit to Caribbean Bay, here’s the place for you(Sorry they don’t have an English web page);

http://www.jhgoldresort.co.kr/

And no I do not work here. It was summer vacation this week, and took the family there for some fun and relaxation. Overall, great location(it’s located on the shores of Lake Naju), nice water park and condos. But I wish that the company that runs this place will put a little bit more effort and money in maintaining the condos.

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43 theotherkorean August 23, 2009 at 7:06 am

Say what you want to say about wjk, but you gotta hand it to that guy, he sure knows how to tickle the funny bone.

Heck it’s a lot better than WangKon’s attempts at humor.

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44 Sonagi August 23, 2009 at 8:01 am

I’d rather click on one of KrZ’s links than read an entire post by the Hole’s most enduring troll.

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45 yuna August 23, 2009 at 10:54 am

No worries Yuna, both Staines and Slough were chosen for the Office and AliG due to their bleak boring drabness they would be easily confused even if you were in them at the time.

Glad *you* said it. I was going to make some disparaging remarks about them but then checked myself in case someone had blood ties to their residents and would use it to label me an anti-West side prejudiced racist – Is it ‘cos I is black?

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46 yuna August 23, 2009 at 10:57 am

enduring troll.

did you mean wjk? I read that “endearing” troll at first and I thought you’d finally been converted like me, before I read it again.

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47 DLBarch August 23, 2009 at 11:13 am

Not that he’s likely to care, but I totally dig wjk’s posts. The dude is priceless. I mean, normally, you’d have to go to New York and spend hours riding in the last car of a subway to get this kind of material. Besides, he’s a Mets fan, so he’s all right in my book.

I can confirm that Brendon, though one cool cat, is most definitely not black. Whether he was born in Kenya, though, I can’t say!

DLB

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48 stumbler August 23, 2009 at 11:51 am

Brendon @27 – given the staffing levels of the Korean “fast food” places I’ve visited these days, you’re probably going to get quicker service if you request home delivery. And now that McD’s has quit offering drink refills, might as well call in your order.

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49 Arghaeri August 23, 2009 at 11:56 am

Have you ever thought that maybe WJK is just another AliG/Borat/Boris character in development? Perhaps Sacha Cohen is using this as an offbeat development site.

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50 Brendon Carr August 23, 2009 at 12:25 pm

Okay, I’d better come out with it. I’m part black. Ladies (and WJK), guess which part.

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51 yuna August 23, 2009 at 12:42 pm

WJK is just another AliG/Borat/Boris character in development?

I used to have a huge crush on Sascha Baron-Cohen. He’s with Isla Fisher though, and I wish them the best because she’s a cute little thing..
His background/looks, would make it hard to play a Korean American.
Whereas I can sort of see him playing a Japanophile English Teacher. My God, think of the richness of the material there…all the people he could interview and offend inadvertently from both countries..but Baron-Cohen’s also too good-looking for that kind of role. Maybe Steve Coogan fits the role better…

part black

wjk, you know Dong, pronounced as it is written, means poo in Korean.

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52 KrZ August 23, 2009 at 12:53 pm

I’m not gay, but I would have consensual sex with Sascha Baron-Cohen. One of the greatest IRL trolls in history, second only to the guy that wrote the bible.

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53 shakuhachi August 23, 2009 at 1:12 pm

Arghaeri, the answer to your question, below.

http://www.rjkoehler.com/2009/.....ent-343845

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54 Sperwer August 23, 2009 at 1:45 pm

Okay, I’d better come out with it. I’m part black. Ladies (and WJK), guess which part.

the whites of your eyes or the cream cheese in your palms?

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55 WeikuBoy August 23, 2009 at 2:23 pm

“Okay, I’d better come out with it. I’m part black. Ladies (and WJK), guess which part.”

Lucky stiff.

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56 WeikuBoy August 23, 2009 at 2:27 pm

“… you know Dong, pronounced as it is written, means poo in Korean.”

Actually, I believe this is one of the very few Korean words that have made it into English (spelled “dung”) – not counting those nouns for things of Korean origin such as kimchi, taekwondo, etc.

Am I right about this?

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57 Arghaeri August 23, 2009 at 3:05 pm

Since Shakespeare and the original King James Bible used the term in the early 1600’s then it would seem somewhat unlikely.

Although that’s not to say there may not be some common root going way way back.

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58 Darth Babaganoosh August 23, 2009 at 4:48 pm

Okay, I’d better come out with it. I’m part black. Ladies (and WJK), guess which part.

Your heart?

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59 yuna August 23, 2009 at 5:06 pm

I think if your poo is large it just means you have a healthy diet, and your bowels are healthy -it’s something to be proud of indeed. I have IBS so I am a bit of an armchair scatologist myself.

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60 yuna August 23, 2009 at 6:36 pm

@JimKim. I just read this comment and brought it over from Daum
It is to the news that they will bring in 5 more beauties to the show.

Looks like most Koreans commenters want Misuda off the air:

Title : 최악의 프로그램.. (The Worst Program)
캐서린,메자같은 애들은 옳은소리 하다가 입발린소리 안한다고 짤리고, Katherine, Mezza(?) were kicked off the air because they spoke the truth, and didn’t pander to them,
남희석은 어떻게된게 인종차별주의자가 글로벌토크쇼 진행이나하고,
Nam Huisuk, somehow this racist guy gets to present a so called Global Talk Show,
애들이 쓴소리라도 한마디 하고싶으면 작가가 막아버리고
If anyone wants to speak one word of bitter truth, the writer stops her,
그러니까 베라가 책으로 뒤에서 ?지
That’s why Vera XXs behind with her book.
애시당초 이런 프로그램 만들거면
From the start, if they were planning to make such a program
얼굴 예쁜 애들보다는
rather than getting the pretty faced ones,
한국인 무개념 안티팬 100만명을 각오하더라도
even with the possibility of incurring a million Korean brainless (no standard) anti-fans
한국을 사랑하던 아니던한국을심도깊게 이해해서 신랄한 비꼬기나 진심어린 쓴소리를 할 수 있는 사람들로 초대했어야 한다
they should have invited people, whether they love Korea or not, who have a deep understanding of Korea who can give sharp criticism or truthful bitter insight.

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61 Arghaeri August 23, 2009 at 6:57 pm

You know Yuna, it is possible to share a little too much…. ;-)

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62 Arghaeri August 23, 2009 at 7:46 pm

Doesn’t answer my question at all. I thought it was clear, in context and my following words, that I was questioning the relevance of gbevers comparison with how koreans refer to themselves, since it is in no way indicative of whether the japanese came to use the japanese equivalent in a pejorative way or not. The point as you have noted it whether the japanese use it in a pejorative way or not, a point on which I am not qualified enough to comment, and which I will leave others to discuss.

“Koreans even referred to themselves as 조선인 in their 1919 Declaration of Independence.”

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63 Arghaeri August 23, 2009 at 7:47 pm

#60 is addressed to Shakuhachi

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64 shakuhachi August 23, 2009 at 8:19 pm

Arghaeri, thanks.

You raise an interesting point. However, it is something that I would like to challenge. The word is 朝鮮人. Because it is a Chinese pictograph (character) it has inherent and customary meanings. In this sense, the meaning is shared by the character using countries, Korea, Japan and China. Only South Korea has changed the meaning to frame it as only a reference to a past era and name of the former state that ruled the Korean peninsula (and refusing to acknowledge that the state north of the division is called 조선 and it’s people 조선인). By the way, the Chinese also use 朝鮮 and 朝鮮人 in the same way as the Japanese, AFAIK.

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65 shakuhachi August 23, 2009 at 8:23 pm

Arghaeri, I just confirmed that in Chinese it is indeed used the same way as Japanese. Are slurs only able to come from Japanese mouths? WK# and Yuna, where art thou?

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66 Arghaeri August 23, 2009 at 9:14 pm

Customary use is not strictly relevant, if its contemporary use has changed.
Many words have a customary meaning that has changed in contemporary usage. When I was a mere lad, the customary usage of “gay” was still a descriptor of joyful, happy behaviour. As a teenager it was more used in a pejorative way as a descriptor of homosexuals behaviour (it didn’t then seem to be indicative of the sex of the participant), now that back home homosexuality is not so taboo it seems to be used much less in a pejorative way and more as a mere descriptor of homosexual men.

the customary useage of sock puppet wasn’t, as far a s I recall, a pejorative term either until the age of blogging…

So the point remains, customary usage, is not definitive of current usage. And since ‘er indoors put a stop to my japanese dalliances some years ago, I am not qualified to comment on current usage of the term.

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67 seouldout August 23, 2009 at 9:19 pm

Them fries were better when they were fried in beef tallow. 100% vegetable oil just doesn’t match up.

How come the DJ’s funeral didn’t merit the attendance of mourner in chief VP Joe Biden? What’s the protocol for a former president? Send a former secretary of state?

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68 shakuhachi August 23, 2009 at 9:22 pm

“So the point remains, customary usage, is not definitive of current usage. And since ‘er indoors put a stop to my japanese dalliances some years ago, I am not qualified to comment on current usage of the term”

Sounds like a fair comment to me. Doesn’t stop others though. Like those people that demand that this book or that movie be banned, even though they have not read or seen it.

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69 shakuhachi August 23, 2009 at 9:24 pm

seouldout, Can’t send Joe “big mouth” Biden to something as delicate as a funeral.

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70 gbevers August 23, 2009 at 9:55 pm

Arghaeri (#61),

Robert had written the following:

BTW, just asked a Japanese coworker of mine about chosenjin. She said there’s a negative meaning attached to the word. Which seems to suggest this whole debate is yet another exercise in Japanophile obfuscation.

I responded to his “suggestion” as follows:

Isn’t “Chosenjin” just the Japanese pronunciation for 조선인? If it is, then why would that have a negative connotation? Koreans even referred to themselves as 조선인 in their 1919 Declaration of Independence. When did it suddenly become derisive?

Also, does your coworker think it has “a negative meaning” because Koreans told her it had one, or did she think it had a negative meaning before she came to Korea?

The point I was trying to make was that 조선인 (朝鮮人) was not a derogatory name in colonial Korea since Koreans referred to themselves as 조선인, so when did it get its negative meaning?

Robert said that his Japanese coworker said that Chosenjin, which is the Japanese pronunciation of 조선인, had a negative meaning, but did she learn that in Korea or in Japan? If she learned it in Korea, then maybe it is negative only in the minds of Koreans, rather than in the minds of the Japanese. It would not be the first time Koreans misunderstood something.

I remember Koreans claiming that President Bush insulted then President Kim Dae-jung when he referred to him as “this guy” in a speech in which he was praising the Korean president. The Koreans were wrong about the meaning of “this guy,” so isn’t it possible that they are also wrong about “Chosenjin,” too? It often takes just one ignorant loudmouth to claim something is an insult before you have thousands agreeing with him.

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71 Arghaeri August 23, 2009 at 10:05 pm

“The point I was trying to make was that 조선인 (朝鮮人) was not a derogatory name in colonial Korea since Koreans referred to themselves as 조선인, so when did it get its negative meaning?”

Constant repetition does not make your statment relevant.
Regardless of whether Roberts friend heard it here or not, unless she’s 100 years old and was in korea at the time, then what the KOREAN word meant to KOREANS in 1919, is absolutely no predictor of what the JAPANESE word means to JAPANESE NOW.

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72 Arghaeri August 23, 2009 at 10:13 pm

Saw “Take Off” “국가대표” this weekend, well worth a viewing.

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73 gbevers August 23, 2009 at 11:17 pm

Arghaeri (#69),

Hello, Arghaeri….Can you hear me? Wake up! Wake up!

Robert’s Japanese coworker does not have to be 100 years old to know if Chosenjin is being used in a negative way in Japan today. If she came to Korea without knowing that Koreans considered Chosenjin derogatory, then that would suggest the possibility that it is not being used in a negative way in Japan, as Koreans claim. When Robert asked her about the word, she may have simply repeated what Koreans had told her since her arrival in Korea, that Koreans, not Japanese, considered it derogatory.

Also, it is possible that South Koreans consider “Chosenjin” (조선인) derogatory because that is what North Koreans call themselves. Especially during the 1950s, ’60s, ’70s, and ’80s, South Koreans were probably much more sensitive about being confused with North Koreans since it could have led to their being thrown in prison on suspicion of being a North Korean spy.

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74 hardyandtiny August 24, 2009 at 2:51 am

http://www.nytimes.com/slidesh.....index.html

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75 shakuhachi August 24, 2009 at 6:03 am

A Korean link. Notice that this link doesn’t consider chousenjin to be an insult (unless preceded by an adjective, and that stands for any word), but rather points to chon, as I did in the previous thread.

http://kukuri.tistory.com/11

Of the explained theories for etymology, the first one, that chon is a shortening of chousenjin (which makes it a slur similar to Jap) seems like the most likely one to me. The theory about the origin being from the Korean word for unmarried men seems highly unlikely. The third, saying that chon is a shortening of chonkou is definitely false. That theory posits that the word comes from chousen koukousei (Korean high school student) – however, 公 (kou) has been in use as a derogatory word for some time. For example, Americans during WW2 were called ame-kou. 公 therefore is an extra insult added to chon.

Also, here is the Korean wikipedia article for chon, and it also deals with chousenjin.

http://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/쫑

Notice the difference in recognition for the word in Japan and Korea. It says in Korea chousenjin itself is considered an insulting word – not so for Japan.

As I have been saying, the existence of chon clearly shows that chousenjin is neither inherently nor customarily insulting, else there would be no need for chon to exist. That many Koreans mistakenly think that chousenjin is a racial insult is simply because of the out of control anti-Japanese campaigning by the Korean government and media.

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76 dogbertt August 24, 2009 at 6:10 am

Saw an ad on the side of an MTA bus reading “Seoul — Incredible — Hub of Asia” and featuring a hanbok-clad white woman sitting in the lotus position on a blue-tiled roof.

Is this part of the new tourism campaign?

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77 shakuhachi August 24, 2009 at 6:28 am

I have to agree with this. The same Koreans that will complain of discrimination at the drop of a hat will use racial slurs to other people just as readily. A positive is that at least a minority of Koreans are aware of this, like the person below.

http://www.gtksa.org/zbxe/oldfreeboard/934925

아직까지도 인종차별의 언어를 쓰는 분들이 있군요. 특히 “짱께”라는 말은 없어진줄 알았는데…. 딴지 걸려는게 아니라 꼭 그런 비화된 언어를 써야 하는지 묻고 싶어서 씁니다.

우리들은 인종차별받기 싫어하고 그쪽에 대해 아주 민감하면서 다른 나라 사람들을 차별하는건 분명히 모순이라 생각합니다. 많은 한국 분들이 조금 억울하다 싶으면 무조건 다 “인종차별” 쪽으로 치우쳐 생각하면서 반면 한국인들은 다른 인종이나 다른 나라사람을 부르는 “인종차별”의 이름들이 다 있읍니다.

예를 들어, 짱께, 쪽바리, 깜씨, 깜둥이, 땅콩, 멕작, 등등……

솔직히 말하면 인종차별 가장 심하게 하는 나라중 하나가 한국입니다. 여러분들이 항상 외치는 우리 “대한민국” 이요……. 지금 한국에서 힘들게 일하는 가난한 아시아 나라 사람들의 상황을 많은 분들이 보셨으리라 믿습니다. 그 사람들 한마디로 사람취급 못받고 아주 낮은 급여받으면서 일하고 있읍니다. 각자 자기 나라에 있는 그 노동자들의 가족들은 어떻게 생각할까요? 그들이 과연 조금도 “반한” 감정이 없을까요? 자기 아들, 남편, 조카들이 사람 취급 못받으면서 한국에 돈벌겠다고 있는데 말이죠…….

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78 Sonagi August 24, 2009 at 7:23 am

솔직히 말하면 인종차별 가장 심하게 하는 나라중 하나가 한국입니다.

Stopped reading there.

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79 WeikuBoy August 24, 2009 at 7:38 am

“Saw an ad on the side of an MTA bus reading “Seoul — Incredible — Hub of Asia” and featuring a hanbok-clad white woman sitting in the lotus position on a blue-tiled roof.”

Speaking of tourism campaigns, there’s a story out of Malaysia about a young woman sentenced to being caned (six “lashes”) for the horrid crime of drinking a beer. Too bad, all those years of tourism advertising building up the country’s brand, undone by sad reality. Malaysia Truly Arabia?

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80 Arghaeri August 24, 2009 at 8:39 am

GBevers, Wake up! Wake up! Can you ******** read at all….

“The point as you have noted it whether the japanese use it in a pejorative way or not, a point on which I am not qualified enough to comment, and which I will leave others to discuss.”

“I thought it was clear, in context and my following words, that I was questioning the relevance of gbevers comparison with how koreans refer to themselves, since it is in no way indicative of whether the japanese came to use the japanese equivalent in a pejorative way or not.”

“So the point remains, customary usage, is not definitive of current usage. And since ‘er indoors put a stop to my japanese dalliances some years ago, I am not qualified to comment on current usage of the term.”

I have repeatedly stated I am not qualified to comment on the current usage, since I am no longer sufficiently exposed to Japanese conversation, whilst clearly querying your fallacious reference to the use of equivalent korean term in korea in 1919 (see #69 which clealry quotes the part I am contesting). Which finally you seem to agree with “Robert’s Japanese coworker does not have to be 100 years old to know if Chosenjin is being used in a negative way in Japan today.” while simultaneously trying to diasagree with me.

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81 seouldout August 24, 2009 at 9:11 pm

I came across the below comment at another Korea-centric blog. The topic was about English teachers whose contracts have been unilaterally canceled by the MOE. These teachers purchased non-refundable airline tickets and are now SOL.

I’d like someone to send me the exact language of the contract — the entire contract, if possible — to run buy some hot-’n-juicy laywers who might see this as a cause worth taking up if a lot of people were adversely and illegally affected. If people were wronged according to the terms of their contract then something should happen. Lawyers like Brendon Carr might be unwilling to defend individuals who knowingly used pot while in the ROK, but something like this is a different matter.

And here I was thinking hot ‘n juicy just described the tarts at Indian Joes.

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82 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 August 24, 2009 at 9:32 pm

the true state of American medical care and its costs.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/08/2...../index.htm

white lady comes in for abdominal pain. CT of abdomen was ordered. The white lady asks, how much is that gonna cost me?

black lady comes in for shoulder pain after motor vehicle accident. 10 days later. Gets shoulder X ray. X ray shows no fracture, no dislocation. Prescription written for muscle relaxant. She only asks how much the muscle relaxant costs. $20, I look it up and tell her. She gasps. She says she cannot afford that. I ask her how she eats. She mumbles something, while flashing her over decorated hands with the bling bling bling. Me thinks she probably has no intention of paying for paying for ER visit nor the X ray. Those jems can’t all be fake. I would be offended to wear fake jewelry.

I think the only ones screwed in the US of actual healthcare are white lower middle class people who don’t get it from their jobs, aged 21 to 64.

Interestingly, they oppose more government spending and higher taxes.

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83 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 August 24, 2009 at 9:38 pm

the new healthcare bill makes no mention of the following curious things.

1/ no penalty on the consumer end for abusing healthcare providers, their time, and their effort. I definitely sense a wider abuse of government resources from African Americans. I think it’s pretty much the attitude that ‘this is not really my government, I’m angry at it, and I’m gonna milk what I perceive is free’. Illegal Latinos do that, too.
2/ no penalty on the lawyers. Just today, I watched Goldwater’s tv advertising about the dangers of a lidocaine patch, the dangers of reglan, the dangers of heparin. Heparin for a whole bunch of inpatients and so is reglan. I guess the lawyers should sue every hospital and start collecting. They don’t do these kind of tv ads in Korea, Japan, Britain, France, Germany, to my guess. The President of America is a lawyer, his party is funded by lawyers, and Congress is made of lawyers.
3/ no mention of how to charge illegal immigrants for their healthcare.

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84 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 August 24, 2009 at 9:46 pm

911 abuse: Calling with the sniffles

Chronic abuse of 911 for non-emergency issues is wasting billions of dollars every year and overwhelming the safety net of health care. And taxpayers are left with the tab.

By Parija B. Kavilanz, CNNMoney.com senior writer
Last Updated: August 24, 2009: 7:14 AM ET
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — People struggling with headaches, toothaches, and even feelings of loneliness are calling 911 — often several times a day.

This chronic abuse is overwhelming what industry experts call the 911 “safety net” system. It’s also wasting what could add up to billions of dollars every year, paid ultimately through higher taxes and medical fees.

This costly problem has gone unnoticed in the current debate on health care reform.

“Everyone’s talking about the billions of dollars wasted when people misuse the emergency room in hospitals,” said Jerry Johnston, outgoing president of the National Association of Emergency Medical Technicians (NAEMT). “How about the misuse of emergency services even before they reach the hospital? That’s not been on anyone’s radar.”

$400 taxi to the hospital
The 911 system has become a sort of stop-gap primary care for many individuals, said Connie Meyer, president-elect of the National Association of Emergency Medical Technicians.

Meyer, who is an EMS captain in Johnson County, Kan., said 50% of the 35,000 911 medical calls in her county are not really emergencies. And for each 911 call, it costs between $400 to $500 to transport a person via ambulance to a hospital, she said.

“If you don’t really need it, it becomes a $400 taxi to the hospital,” Meyer said.

That’s only the base fee for every ambulance that goes out on a call. If a person is also given treatment or medication in the ambulance or at the hospital, the cost quickly rises to $1,000, and can hit as much as $5,000.

For uninsured patients, Meyer said it’s the taxpayers in her county who eventually bear the burden. They pay a $30 annual assessment for 911, and it goes toward these non-emergency treatments, rather than improvements.

Some of those who use 911 for non-life threatening reasons do so multiple times a week — or even a day. Medics refer to them as “frequent flyers.”

“For some, 911 is a necessity,” Johnston said. “These people don’t have [private] insurance or Medicare and 911 is their only access to health care.” He said many of these people are immigrants who don’t how to navigate the system.

Others, he said, should know better. “These people have the ability to pay for care but still want to exploit the system,” he said. “They know EMTs have an obligation to respond to 911 calls. People want this immediate treatment instead of having to wait in a doctor’s office.”

The National Fire Protection Association, which tracks 911 call volume annually, said fire departments nationwide responded to about 15.7 million total medical aid calls in 2008. Using that data, the National Academies of Emergency Dispatch, said about 20% of the calls are classified as non life-threatening and don’t require a paramedic.

Norman Salas, a lieutenant and paramedic with a South Florida fire department, said more than 80% of the 911 calls he answers are routine health calls better handled by a physician or nurse.

But Salas said it’s the ethical duty of a paramedic to respond to every call without judgment. “Whatever the call may be, even for a rash, we have a duty to respond,” he said.

People treated by 911 responders often don’t have to pay for treatment on the scene, according to emergency technicians.

Charges kick in once an individual is treated in an ambulance while they’re being transported to the hospital.

“So these frequent flyers refuse transportation after we treat them, even though we always recommend that they see a doctor,” Salas said.

Manipulation and solution
Others are manipulating the system differently, according to Dr. Denis Pauze, an emergency room doctor at the Inova Fairfax Hospital in Falls Church, Va.

Pauze said one big misconception many people have is that coming to the hospital in an ambulance will get them faster access to a doctor.

“There are cases of people so frustrated waiting to see a doctor that they have left the ER to call 911,” Pauze said. “They think they can jump the line if they’re brought in by a paramedic.”

In reality, Pauze said anyone with a non-emergency situation who is brought into ER will be asked to wait anyway while emergency cases are first evaluated.

Shreveport, La., fire department chief Brian Crawford, whose EMS crews responded to 26,300 medical calls last year, said departments around the country are working to find a solution to the problem.

He said public education is key to curbing abuse of 911. Also, his department and others across the country are testing a “nurse triage” system, in which a nurse will evaluate 911 calls and decide the appropriate level of emergency response.

“We’ve found that the cost savings offset the cost of employing a full-time nurse,” he said.

“This is a delicate issue,” said NAEMT’s Johnston. “We don’t want to come across as insensitive, but as EMS costs increase, it’s leading to closures of ambulance services around the United States.”

Talkback: Have you or a doctor that you know left the medical profession mid-career to start a new career outside of the health care industry? E-mail realstories@cnnmoney.com you could be part of an upcoming story.

First Published: August 24, 2009: 4:24 AM ET

hell yeah, this shit goes on 24/7. Curiously, it lets up on everyone’s favorite time to sleep. Early Sunday AM.

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85 WangKon936 August 25, 2009 at 2:37 am

Interesting, but Doosan’s North American offices (the ones that manage Bobcat) are being relocated from Charlotte, NC to Atlanta, GA.

http://charlotte.bizjournals.c.....%5E1895191

The main reason appears to be that Atlanta has a larger Korean community. However, North Carolinians are not pleased that Doosan is moving their hq to Atlanta given that they just opened it up barely a year ago. In all fairness, Atlanta has direct flights to Korea whereas Charlotte does not.

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86 WangKon936 August 25, 2009 at 9:02 am

Former hagwon teacher opens up a Korean restaurant in Wisconsin…

http://volumeone.org/magazine/.....ecret.html

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87 shakuhachi August 25, 2009 at 9:26 am

I finally got my lazy fingers typing and blogged about the Vera Hohleiter controversy.
http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=1030

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88 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 August 25, 2009 at 9:53 am

shaku, write about nakadashi, enema, urolangia and Japan. You coward.

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89 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 August 25, 2009 at 9:54 am

and rape as entertainment in Japan.

Rape-Entertainment for men-In Japan.

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90 Arghaeri August 25, 2009 at 12:41 pm

wjk, you really are a lazy buggar. Can’t you do your own research into your interests.

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91 dry August 25, 2009 at 8:12 pm

#85: Matt, a decent write up, although you write like a lad who’s been cock blocked even by his own right hand. Hope to read more of your k-blog coattailing in the future mate, although I think ya need a cooler domain name mate.

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92 WangKon936 August 26, 2009 at 12:50 am

# 89,

Reminds me of the time my friend’s Japanese gf brought her friends and we all had dinner. I thought I’d impress them with my knowledge of Japanese history… they told me only geeks know that much about Japanese history and laughed at me… there and then I found out that simply knowing a lot about Japan or being some sort of Japanophile wasn’t going to get me laid.

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93 seouldout August 26, 2009 at 1:58 am

You should have told ‘em Korea gave ‘em all their culture. Would’ve gotten you a gratitude hand job.

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94 WangKon936 August 26, 2009 at 2:44 am

Nah, they would have thought I was a bigger nerd and a nationalistic one at that.

Trying to convince them that I’m Yonsama (or Lee Byung-hun) would have worked better…

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95 WangKon936 August 26, 2009 at 8:16 am

Brave guy…

http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=12162

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96 DLBarch August 26, 2009 at 8:42 am

Wangkon,

Great video…and a reminder of just how thuggish Japan can be.

The writer of the piece, though, is clearly an idiot. Unfortunately, too many Americans who find their way to Japan wind up becoming apologists for the place. “James” needs to come home and rediscover his American roots.

DLB

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97 WangKon936 August 26, 2009 at 1:03 pm

Some ppl stay away from home too long…

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98 JW August 26, 2009 at 1:38 pm

Mr. Wangkon, I think you’d have much much better chance with that if you offer them free korean lessons.

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99 WangKon936 August 26, 2009 at 2:05 pm

Gee, I don’t know JW. Sounds like a big time commitment. Can you tell me if this technique has worked for you personally?

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100 JW August 26, 2009 at 2:22 pm

I plead the fifth

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101 gbnhj August 27, 2009 at 10:16 pm

WangKon936, Doosan didn’t actually open that Charlotte facility, but rather inherited it from Ingersoll-Rand when they bought Bobcat. Bobcat’s skid steer loaders formed the basis of DIA, but skid loaders are not all that Doosan Infracore is about. Aside from excavators, Doosan also builds engines and air compressors, and these are within the province of DII. DII already had a distribution center in Atlanta, and this realignment simply allows the company to reduce costs and increase efficiency.

The article’s claim about a sizable Korean population being behind the move is likewise off the mark. It’s true that Charlotte doesn’t have much of a Korean-American population, but had the company wished to locate to an American port with a large Korean population, they would have set up shop in Los Angeles instead. Regardless, Doosan Infracore isn’t likely to form its strategic decisions based on non-critical factors.

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102 WangKon936 August 28, 2009 at 9:23 am

Thanks gbnhj.

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103 WangKon936 August 28, 2009 at 9:25 am

Someone out there apparently thinks that Lee Myung-bak and Marilyn Manson were separated at birth. Disagree?

You be the judge!

http://files.myopera.com/zariski/blog/2mb.jpg

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