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Author's note: A version of this article appeared in February 2010's Groove Magazine.To say Hwaam Cave (화암동굴) is out of the way is an understatement. While few natural subterranean structures are located near subway stations or major bus terminals, this ... [Link]
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Here is what a Hong Kong think tank is reporting about a secret North Korean military facility on Mt. Baekdu: The North Korean leadership is believed to have established a temporary command center near the Chinese border, apparently to prepare ... [Link]
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Last night on BBC Four they showed Kim Jong-il Comedy Club. This documentary is about a very tall Danish man called Mads and two Korean adoptees, Jacob and Simon, who travel to North Korea to put on a small comedy ... [Link]
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In 2000, Lotte catcher Lim Soo-hyuk collapsed after running from first to second base during a game versus the LG Twins. He fell into a coma and never came out of it – dying at Kangdong Sacred Heart Hospital in ... [Link]
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WHAT IS IT with those folks in Fukuoka and Busan anyway? They keep confounding the people whose misconceptions masquerade as conventional wisdom and overturn every tired old cliche of Japanese-Korean relations. Now they’re at it again. The accompanying photo depicting ... [Link]
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Last night, just before midnight, I was startled by the text message alert on my phone. From: Taylor student Any teacher in the USA public school system would be alarmed if they received a text message from their student in ... [Link]
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Well, yesterday's Superbowl in Miami, where I accurately predicted a Saints win over the Colts, and by a score that was off by only one digit (yeah, I'm going to ride those laurels for a while), has become the most ... [Link]
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I was thinking about a reverse Facebook, an unFacebook . The key difference is that this is not a social network that is populated by willing participants, but populated with people by information gatherers. For example, I meet you, and ... [Link]
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I was at the train station in town getting back from a trip to Seoul and passed by this fun poster. Maybe I am clueless here, but I always saw Phantom of the Opera as a tragedy? Or maybe even ... [Link]
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This guy deserves a special place in hell: “Man Orders Hit on Adoptive Mother for Inheritance”
The mother knew that if she gave the guy money, he would just gamble it away, and she was right. Out of 2 billion won, he lost 1.55 billion betting on horse races in just three months. What an idiot!
Mike Yates criminal investigation for libel is still ongoing.
I’m sure I’ve come across this guy’s videos before, but I came across them again and find them quite interesting and informative.
I’ll post a sample…
Speed and Knockout punch, by Choson Ninja:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmEdjQ14t9I
The most sensible thing I’ve heard about addressing Korea’s low birth rate problem…
http://english.chosun.com/site.....00721.html
Make childcare affordable…. now if only some people would talk about the educations systems, now you may have something.
http://www.cbs.co.kr/nocut/show.asp?idx=1239274
Vera Hohleiter from Misuda wrote a “Lost-in-Translation” style – young attractive white female in an Asian city -love – trendy book –
“Schlaflos in Seoul. ”
She is under fire from some Koreans who got the wrong end of the stick due to some selective and intentional translation by a Korean in Germany who picked up on the negative points and put it on the blog, Some other Korean in Germany has started to put the entire translation in Vera Hohleiter’s defense, to put it in more perspective.
I’ve read the book in bits I could find on the web and I don’t think it’s negative about Korea at all. I think I like it. I think 1/3 of the Korean comments agree with me, that she’s got a point and it’s valid what she says, and that some Koreans as usual are over-reacting and they are worried that they will lose yet another foreign personality interested in Korea from stupid people over-reacting and being nationalistic…
I hope she can hear us.
Please, someone get me the href mop.
I like “Smile Vera”. She’s kind like a cheerful grandmom stuck in a twenty-something yo’s body, and she was the one who mentioned about male foreigners in Korea who are “LBH,” or losers back home. Kekeke.
Richard Allen, national security adviser under President Ronald Reagan met Prof. 손석희 and talked about DJ and the Reagan administration. Interesing stuff.
http://imbbs.imbc.com/view.mbc.....id=focus03 (Korean)
Wangkon,
That’s a load of crap.
If child care was any cheaper in Korea, it would be free. Most daycare centres and kindergartens receive government subsidies, and for that reason, fees normally hover at around 200 000 won per month. Moreover, the government offers additional subsidies to families whose total income is less than about 3.6 million won per month, granting up to a 50% reduction in fees (so, about 100 000 won per month) and even offers additional subsidies to families that have more than one preschooler enrolled.
Sure, there are many daycare centres and kindergartens that charge more (one of the most popular gimmicks used to double and even triple fees being lessons in English), but they are not the norm.
let’s explore this a little further to understand and possibly befriend our Japanese colleagues. Thanks to the internet,
1/ nakadashi = ejac inside the vagina
2/ rape=rape. (Rape is entertainment in Japan. Makes sense about pussy brigades following front line troops to battle).
3/ urolagnia = making Ozawa piss on film.
4/ enema= Ozawa is not a grandma, so this is wrong, man.
5/ physical torture= fits perfectly with Jungshindae personal accounts.
6/ “interracial” title Multiple Black Rape (黒人輪姦). As a person who have seen all varieties, black dong is indeed king dong. The Japanese are using Japanese blackmen expats in Japan to use these king dongs as some sort of parallel to octopus with tentacles banging a girl, or having sex with a long dong creature like a horse or a dog. How racist of the Japanese to do this.
what is sad about Japanese porn. Korean males like tsong and wangkon are addicted to it and they LIKE it. These rape style porns are eye openers to them and like a secret girl friend. Hey, dude, stop participating in anti Japan things. You’re a hypocrite.
natto, still waiting for your defense that Japanese porn is NOT torture of women and basically NOT rape porn. It is ! It’s disgusting.
“Rape is entertainment in Japan.”
-wjk.
Let the Defender of Japan come out and provide proof that it isn’t.
Shakunaku? Natto? Anyone?
wjk,
How is American puritanical ideology relevant in the context of Japanese porn involving French Canadian actresses?
so you condone using ‘rape’ as a theme of adult entertainment?
thank God that Ashcroft made child porn illegal and prosecutable.
you mean the fawari the lambo and all that?
Miss August, Ms. Christina Chorong Kim.
Kim Jongil
Kim Chorong
Kim Daejung
Do I need to provide more visual proof?
http://sportsphoto.news.naver......;id=225643
From the Chosun Ilbo today ( Sat ) – “Workers in Seoul Toil 2nd Longest Hours in the World” / pardon ? surely they jest / if someone could please define / sitting in the office all day, day dreaming, playing games on their computers, talking on their cell phones does NOT constitute work.
they do that in the US, too.
Where do you think the sitcom, “Office” came from? Certainly there is some truth to it.
Also, it depends on where you work. If you work in an important place where competition and deadlines are pressing, people don’t fuck around.
Maybe Brett, you work in a shit place.
There is always a busy and easy season, too.
One more reason for tort reform in America.
If speed limits are 65mph and cops don’t tag unless you go 80mph plus, why are cars manufactured to go 100-120 mph?
Isn’t that unethical?
Traffic courts, traffic case lawyers, and cops seem to be operating a scam where no matter what happens, local governments are making cash from stopping a car.
It’s quite obvious to me that it costs money to catch actual criminals versus making money from harmless citizens going slightly over 80mph in a highway.
This is an international scam by governments, of course, but in the US, lawyers make a living allowance out of it.
we don’t need more lawyers.
we need way less number of lawyers.
Did you know that in Florida, Pediatricians have a malpractice insurance annual fee of $500k dollars? Pediatricians cannot make a living in Florida, practicing solo. They are fleeing to nearby states with more reasonable malpractice insurance laws and fees. So people are left to university systems, hospitalists, and resident physicians. Who are the lawyers helping? Why are the lawyers bent on healthcare reform? Why are the lawyers not cutting out their own pork in the heatlhcare machine they’ve been raping?
It’s true, man. Most lawyers will go to hell.
“Office” originally from Staines. The US one’s just not right. Watch the original one, wjk.
Or Slough even.
Staines is where aliG is from.
Sure, but what are the relative productivity rates?
Answer (not that I don’t trust you guys to stay on topic):
Although in the period 1992-2006 (according to the US Dept of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics), South Korea manifested a world leading average annual growth rate in manufacturing output per hour of 9% (Sweden was second at 6.9% and the US fourth at 4.8%), total 2007 productivity measures for Korea and the US, per the OECD, were ~22 and ~55, respectively (reflecting, no doubt, a truly appalling productivity rate in the heavily protected Korean service markets (on a comparative basis Korean lawyers are infinitely worse bloodsuckers of national wealth than American ambulance chasers).
Sitcoms aren’t are very reliable guide to reality.
“Where do you think the sitcom, “Office” came from?”
Hilarious, most certainly not the US of A, listen to Yuna WJK
No worries Yuna, both Staines and Slough were chosen for the Office and AliG due to their bleak boring drabness they would be easily confused even if you were in them at the time.
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so you condone using ‘rape’ as a theme of adult entertainment?
thank God that Ashcroft made child porn illegal and prosecutable.
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Clearly, my question flew right over your head with that answer.
Let me tell you about “tort reform”.
Let’s imagine you or one of your relatives was treated by a doctor who amputated a healthy limb instead of the one that was supposed to be removed.
“Oops! My bad!” Sorry, but no money for you, you have to lump it. We’ll throw in a used wheelchair, though.
Or, your doctor misreads a “50″ on your chart as a “500″ and oops! inadvertent OD and you’re with the angels.
“Sorry we killed your dad, wasn’t our fault.” No money for you, though, we have to keep our malpractice insurance premiums close to zero.
There is no need for “tort reform”, there is need for “physician reform”.
Competent doctors = no torts = no tort reform necessary.
Dogbertt, like me, is a lawyer and so he strongly believes in remedies for injuries…
Some of the medical malpractice stories are pretty shocking. I think I dodged a bullet back when I was in the military (servicemembers cannot sue the government for malpractice). During my initial language training, my wisdom teeth were impacted and the dentist recommended that they be extracted under general anaesthesia, because I was such a tender crybaby.
Service members at that time had to carry around their medical records from place to place as a sheaf of papers in a folder (is this still the case?), and to sit around for a long time waiting for things. So there was opportunity to read the file. Imagine my surprise to see that the treatment record reported Brendon Carr to be a 19 year-old black male! I’ve always wondered what surgery was scheduled for that guy — thank goodness it wasn’t the penile reduction surgery WJK thinks they all need.
I’m not black (see photo). That’s a detail that should have been obvious to anyone, yet there it was in my treatment record. Since then I’ve always been extra careful to go over all the details with physicians again and again, to avoid things like them lopping off the wrong leg.
Also I try to stay the hell away from every one of those quacks as much as I can.
Oh, and WJK? Ashcroft didn’t make child pornography illegal. It’s never been legal in the United States to produce or possess sexually explicit material with performers under 18. All the way back in 1982 — 18 years before John Ashcroft became US Attorney General in 2000 — the Supreme Court ruled that child pornography was not protected by the First Amendment. In 1982 John Ashcroft was still Attorney General of the State of Missouri; he hadn’t yet been elected our Governor.
Also, as a point of order, you do know about the different branches of government (legislative, executive, and judicial) and how a bill becomes a law, don’t you? The Congress (the legislative branch) passes the laws, not the Attorney General (the executive branch). He merely enforces the laws.
When I had my right hand taken apart and stitched back together several years ago, I managed to head off having my perfectly good left hand subjected to the operation instead when, despite the fog of the pre-anesthesia I noticed the orderly was shaving my left arm instead of the right. The surgeon still managed to get me under full anesthesia despite my objections during the consult, though – albeit because he convinced me at the last quasi-incompetent moment that I would be making the sort of microscope guided micro-surgery involved very risky if I were to do any squirming around while watching him work while having just a local. The only other time I had surgery for which general was indicated, the anethesiologist actually backed me up when I refused the general anesthesia the surgeon ordered and gave me an epidural, so I got to watch the guy lay my belly open and go spelunking. It got a little uncomfortable towards the end, but that was a small price to pay to avoid the risks of general.
medical tort reform as far as I know it does not ask for ‘no money given for the doctor’s mistake’ like you are dishonestly saying.
it is asking for a reasonable cap.
you can’t be serious. Plenty of lawyers (fuckheads) are trying to become millionaires at the expense of raping the system and everyone else. Sometimes injured patients are asking for money they would have not earned in life. Quite often, the amount they seek in court is driven up by how much the lawyer thinks his new house will cost. As far as I know, it’s asking for equality with Europe, where injuries are itemized with a defined price tag. To discourage lawyers from taxing the system and to give a fair price, not an outrageous compensation to the injured party. Face it lawyers, you guys are weary of your bread basket, that’s all. It is actually in your own interest that tort reform takes place and the government closes down the excess of law schools in the USA. There are simply too many lawyers in the US versus Korea, Japan. Lots of hungry lawyers. My highschool econ teacher passed the bar, but was teaching highschool econ. He did go to a shitty lawschool, though. Whittier something in California.
Ashcroft may have not made child porn illegal, but I have only seen mass prosecution of it when Ashcroft was in charge. Famous actors and entertainers went to the slammers. Someguyinkorea is saying rape porn, enema porn, uro porn is okay and I am being ‘Puritan’ in opposing it. That’s all.
Since this is an Open Thread, let me take this opportunity to note how awesome it is that McDonald’s will home-deliver an order of any size. Although I’d be ashamed to do it, I think they’d even scoot over a small fries if you had the hankering. Them fries is good.
http://www.americanthinker.com.....eform.html
Them fries are as addictive as crack and congestive heart failure in a paper sack.
Yuna-Quite a few negative articles and blogging on Vera at the moment.
I expect we won’t see her on Misuda anymore because she is going against the show’s purpose. That is, stroke the Korean ego (particularly Korean men) and say nothing bad about Korea.
BTW-Whenever I think expats are being difficult and unfair to Koreans, I will think of my recent trip to the Phillippines where, to put it gently, there does not seem to be a lot of love for Koreans
In my OPINION, a certain “doctor” type around here is off his meds AGAIN. Please, if anyone knows him, DON’T go to him for treatment if/when he gets his degree. He’s psycho. If he’s am adamant anti-suing-doctor type, he must fear his own inadequacies as a professional healer.
“an” adamant…
“Plenty of lawyers (fuckheads) are trying to become millionaires at the expense of raping the system and everyone else.”
Are the lawyers the ones who use rape as a theme for adult entertainment? I’m confused.
I thought this was a telling bit of writing regarding “unsustainable farming practices” in the U.S.:
http://www.time.com/time/healt.....-1,00.html
I also thought of “Lost Nomad” when I read this one on mercury in every fish tested in U.S. streams:
http://www.dangerousminds.net/.....ok_on_the_
And the illegal drugs just keep flowing in…
This documentary looks like one to watch.
http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecove/
” As a person who have seen all varieties, black dong is indeed king dong. The Japanese are using Japanese blackmen expats in Japan to use these king dongs as some sort of parallel to octopus with tentacles banging a girl, or having sex with a long dong creature like a horse or a dog. How racist of the Japanese to do this.”
Wjk– That first sentence had me rolling. Your making Mizar’s case very easy man. Lol, thanks for the laugh though.
OMG, after all this time will I be allowed to log in and post again?
For those who live in Jeollanam-do and want to cool off while having fun but don’t want to spend the time and money to go all the way up to Seoul for a visit to Caribbean Bay, here’s the place for you(Sorry they don’t have an English web page);
http://www.jhgoldresort.co.kr/
And no I do not work here. It was summer vacation this week, and took the family there for some fun and relaxation. Overall, great location(it’s located on the shores of Lake Naju), nice water park and condos. But I wish that the company that runs this place will put a little bit more effort and money in maintaining the condos.
Say what you want to say about wjk, but you gotta hand it to that guy, he sure knows how to tickle the funny bone.
Heck it’s a lot better than WangKon’s attempts at humor.
I’d rather click on one of KrZ’s links than read an entire post by the Hole’s most enduring troll.
No worries Yuna, both Staines and Slough were chosen for the Office and AliG due to their bleak boring drabness they would be easily confused even if you were in them at the time.
Glad *you* said it. I was going to make some disparaging remarks about them but then checked myself in case someone had blood ties to their residents and would use it to label me an anti-West side prejudiced racist – Is it ‘cos I is black?
did you mean wjk? I read that “endearing” troll at first and I thought you’d finally been converted like me, before I read it again.
Not that he’s likely to care, but I totally dig wjk’s posts. The dude is priceless. I mean, normally, you’d have to go to New York and spend hours riding in the last car of a subway to get this kind of material. Besides, he’s a Mets fan, so he’s all right in my book.
I can confirm that Brendon, though one cool cat, is most definitely not black. Whether he was born in Kenya, though, I can’t say!
DLB
Brendon @27 – given the staffing levels of the Korean “fast food” places I’ve visited these days, you’re probably going to get quicker service if you request home delivery. And now that McD’s has quit offering drink refills, might as well call in your order.
Have you ever thought that maybe WJK is just another AliG/Borat/Boris character in development? Perhaps Sacha Cohen is using this as an offbeat development site.
Okay, I’d better come out with it. I’m part black. Ladies (and WJK), guess which part.
I used to have a huge crush on Sascha Baron-Cohen. He’s with Isla Fisher though, and I wish them the best because she’s a cute little thing..
His background/looks, would make it hard to play a Korean American.
Whereas I can sort of see him playing a Japanophile English Teacher. My God, think of the richness of the material there…all the people he could interview and offend inadvertently from both countries..but Baron-Cohen’s also too good-looking for that kind of role. Maybe Steve Coogan fits the role better…
wjk, you know Dong, pronounced as it is written, means poo in Korean.
I’m not gay, but I would have consensual sex with Sascha Baron-Cohen. One of the greatest IRL trolls in history, second only to the guy that wrote the bible.
Arghaeri, the answer to your question, below.
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2009/.....ent-343845
Okay, I’d better come out with it. I’m part black. Ladies (and WJK), guess which part.
the whites of your eyes or the cream cheese in your palms?
“Okay, I’d better come out with it. I’m part black. Ladies (and WJK), guess which part.”
Lucky stiff.
“… you know Dong, pronounced as it is written, means poo in Korean.”
Actually, I believe this is one of the very few Korean words that have made it into English (spelled “dung”) – not counting those nouns for things of Korean origin such as kimchi, taekwondo, etc.
Am I right about this?
Since Shakespeare and the original King James Bible used the term in the early 1600’s then it would seem somewhat unlikely.
Although that’s not to say there may not be some common root going way way back.
Your heart?
I think if your poo is large it just means you have a healthy diet, and your bowels are healthy -it’s something to be proud of indeed. I have IBS so I am a bit of an armchair scatologist myself.
@JimKim. I just read this comment and brought it over from Daum
It is to the news that they will bring in 5 more beauties to the show.
Looks like most Koreans commenters want Misuda off the air:
Title : 최악의 프로그램.. (The Worst Program)
캐서린,메자같은 애들은 옳은소리 하다가 입발린소리 안한다고 짤리고, Katherine, Mezza(?) were kicked off the air because they spoke the truth, and didn’t pander to them,
남희석은 어떻게된게 인종차별주의자가 글로벌토크쇼 진행이나하고,
Nam Huisuk, somehow this racist guy gets to present a so called Global Talk Show,
애들이 쓴소리라도 한마디 하고싶으면 작가가 막아버리고
If anyone wants to speak one word of bitter truth, the writer stops her,
그러니까 베라가 책으로 뒤에서 ?지
That’s why Vera XXs behind with her book.
애시당초 이런 프로그램 만들거면
From the start, if they were planning to make such a program
얼굴 예쁜 애들보다는
rather than getting the pretty faced ones,
한국인 무개념 안티팬 100만명을 각오하더라도
even with the possibility of incurring a million Korean brainless (no standard) anti-fans
한국을 사랑하던 아니던한국을심도깊게 이해해서 신랄한 비꼬기나 진심어린 쓴소리를 할 수 있는 사람들로 초대했어야 한다
they should have invited people, whether they love Korea or not, who have a deep understanding of Korea who can give sharp criticism or truthful bitter insight.
You know Yuna, it is possible to share a little too much….
Doesn’t answer my question at all. I thought it was clear, in context and my following words, that I was questioning the relevance of gbevers comparison with how koreans refer to themselves, since it is in no way indicative of whether the japanese came to use the japanese equivalent in a pejorative way or not. The point as you have noted it whether the japanese use it in a pejorative way or not, a point on which I am not qualified enough to comment, and which I will leave others to discuss.
“Koreans even referred to themselves as 조선인 in their 1919 Declaration of Independence.”
#60 is addressed to Shakuhachi
Arghaeri, thanks.
You raise an interesting point. However, it is something that I would like to challenge. The word is 朝鮮人. Because it is a Chinese pictograph (character) it has inherent and customary meanings. In this sense, the meaning is shared by the character using countries, Korea, Japan and China. Only South Korea has changed the meaning to frame it as only a reference to a past era and name of the former state that ruled the Korean peninsula (and refusing to acknowledge that the state north of the division is called 조선 and it’s people 조선인). By the way, the Chinese also use 朝鮮 and 朝鮮人 in the same way as the Japanese, AFAIK.
Arghaeri, I just confirmed that in Chinese it is indeed used the same way as Japanese. Are slurs only able to come from Japanese mouths? WK# and Yuna, where art thou?
Customary use is not strictly relevant, if its contemporary use has changed.
Many words have a customary meaning that has changed in contemporary usage. When I was a mere lad, the customary usage of “gay” was still a descriptor of joyful, happy behaviour. As a teenager it was more used in a pejorative way as a descriptor of homosexuals behaviour (it didn’t then seem to be indicative of the sex of the participant), now that back home homosexuality is not so taboo it seems to be used much less in a pejorative way and more as a mere descriptor of homosexual men.
the customary useage of sock puppet wasn’t, as far a s I recall, a pejorative term either until the age of blogging…
So the point remains, customary usage, is not definitive of current usage. And since ‘er indoors put a stop to my japanese dalliances some years ago, I am not qualified to comment on current usage of the term.
Them fries were better when they were fried in beef tallow. 100% vegetable oil just doesn’t match up.
How come the DJ’s funeral didn’t merit the attendance of mourner in chief VP Joe Biden? What’s the protocol for a former president? Send a former secretary of state?
“So the point remains, customary usage, is not definitive of current usage. And since ‘er indoors put a stop to my japanese dalliances some years ago, I am not qualified to comment on current usage of the term”
Sounds like a fair comment to me. Doesn’t stop others though. Like those people that demand that this book or that movie be banned, even though they have not read or seen it.
seouldout, Can’t send Joe “big mouth” Biden to something as delicate as a funeral.
Arghaeri (#61),
Robert had written the following:
I responded to his “suggestion” as follows:
The point I was trying to make was that 조선인 (朝鮮人) was not a derogatory name in colonial Korea since Koreans referred to themselves as 조선인, so when did it get its negative meaning?
Robert said that his Japanese coworker said that Chosenjin, which is the Japanese pronunciation of 조선인, had a negative meaning, but did she learn that in Korea or in Japan? If she learned it in Korea, then maybe it is negative only in the minds of Koreans, rather than in the minds of the Japanese. It would not be the first time Koreans misunderstood something.
I remember Koreans claiming that President Bush insulted then President Kim Dae-jung when he referred to him as “this guy” in a speech in which he was praising the Korean president. The Koreans were wrong about the meaning of “this guy,” so isn’t it possible that they are also wrong about “Chosenjin,” too? It often takes just one ignorant loudmouth to claim something is an insult before you have thousands agreeing with him.
“The point I was trying to make was that 조선인 (朝鮮人) was not a derogatory name in colonial Korea since Koreans referred to themselves as 조선인, so when did it get its negative meaning?”
Constant repetition does not make your statment relevant.
Regardless of whether Roberts friend heard it here or not, unless she’s 100 years old and was in korea at the time, then what the KOREAN word meant to KOREANS in 1919, is absolutely no predictor of what the JAPANESE word means to JAPANESE NOW.
Saw “Take Off” “국가대표” this weekend, well worth a viewing.
Arghaeri (#69),
Hello, Arghaeri….Can you hear me? Wake up! Wake up!
Robert’s Japanese coworker does not have to be 100 years old to know if Chosenjin is being used in a negative way in Japan today. If she came to Korea without knowing that Koreans considered Chosenjin derogatory, then that would suggest the possibility that it is not being used in a negative way in Japan, as Koreans claim. When Robert asked her about the word, she may have simply repeated what Koreans had told her since her arrival in Korea, that Koreans, not Japanese, considered it derogatory.
Also, it is possible that South Koreans consider “Chosenjin” (조선인) derogatory because that is what North Koreans call themselves. Especially during the 1950s, ’60s, ’70s, and ’80s, South Koreans were probably much more sensitive about being confused with North Koreans since it could have led to their being thrown in prison on suspicion of being a North Korean spy.
http://www.nytimes.com/slidesh.....index.html
A Korean link. Notice that this link doesn’t consider chousenjin to be an insult (unless preceded by an adjective, and that stands for any word), but rather points to chon, as I did in the previous thread.
http://kukuri.tistory.com/11
Of the explained theories for etymology, the first one, that chon is a shortening of chousenjin (which makes it a slur similar to Jap) seems like the most likely one to me. The theory about the origin being from the Korean word for unmarried men seems highly unlikely. The third, saying that chon is a shortening of chonkou is definitely false. That theory posits that the word comes from chousen koukousei (Korean high school student) – however, 公 (kou) has been in use as a derogatory word for some time. For example, Americans during WW2 were called ame-kou. 公 therefore is an extra insult added to chon.
Also, here is the Korean wikipedia article for chon, and it also deals with chousenjin.
http://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/쫑
Notice the difference in recognition for the word in Japan and Korea. It says in Korea chousenjin itself is considered an insulting word – not so for Japan.
As I have been saying, the existence of chon clearly shows that chousenjin is neither inherently nor customarily insulting, else there would be no need for chon to exist. That many Koreans mistakenly think that chousenjin is a racial insult is simply because of the out of control anti-Japanese campaigning by the Korean government and media.
Saw an ad on the side of an MTA bus reading “Seoul — Incredible — Hub of Asia” and featuring a hanbok-clad white woman sitting in the lotus position on a blue-tiled roof.
Is this part of the new tourism campaign?
I have to agree with this. The same Koreans that will complain of discrimination at the drop of a hat will use racial slurs to other people just as readily. A positive is that at least a minority of Koreans are aware of this, like the person below.
http://www.gtksa.org/zbxe/oldfreeboard/934925
아직까지도 인종차별의 언어를 쓰는 분들이 있군요. 특히 “짱께”라는 말은 없어진줄 알았는데…. 딴지 걸려는게 아니라 꼭 그런 비화된 언어를 써야 하는지 묻고 싶어서 씁니다.
우리들은 인종차별받기 싫어하고 그쪽에 대해 아주 민감하면서 다른 나라 사람들을 차별하는건 분명히 모순이라 생각합니다. 많은 한국 분들이 조금 억울하다 싶으면 무조건 다 “인종차별” 쪽으로 치우쳐 생각하면서 반면 한국인들은 다른 인종이나 다른 나라사람을 부르는 “인종차별”의 이름들이 다 있읍니다.
예를 들어, 짱께, 쪽바리, 깜씨, 깜둥이, 땅콩, 멕작, 등등……
솔직히 말하면 인종차별 가장 심하게 하는 나라중 하나가 한국입니다. 여러분들이 항상 외치는 우리 “대한민국” 이요……. 지금 한국에서 힘들게 일하는 가난한 아시아 나라 사람들의 상황을 많은 분들이 보셨으리라 믿습니다. 그 사람들 한마디로 사람취급 못받고 아주 낮은 급여받으면서 일하고 있읍니다. 각자 자기 나라에 있는 그 노동자들의 가족들은 어떻게 생각할까요? 그들이 과연 조금도 “반한” 감정이 없을까요? 자기 아들, 남편, 조카들이 사람 취급 못받으면서 한국에 돈벌겠다고 있는데 말이죠…….
Stopped reading there.
“Saw an ad on the side of an MTA bus reading “Seoul — Incredible — Hub of Asia” and featuring a hanbok-clad white woman sitting in the lotus position on a blue-tiled roof.”
Speaking of tourism campaigns, there’s a story out of Malaysia about a young woman sentenced to being caned (six “lashes”) for the horrid crime of drinking a beer. Too bad, all those years of tourism advertising building up the country’s brand, undone by sad reality. Malaysia Truly Arabia?
GBevers, Wake up! Wake up! Can you ******** read at all….
“The point as you have noted it whether the japanese use it in a pejorative way or not, a point on which I am not qualified enough to comment, and which I will leave others to discuss.”
“I thought it was clear, in context and my following words, that I was questioning the relevance of gbevers comparison with how koreans refer to themselves, since it is in no way indicative of whether the japanese came to use the japanese equivalent in a pejorative way or not.”
“So the point remains, customary usage, is not definitive of current usage. And since ‘er indoors put a stop to my japanese dalliances some years ago, I am not qualified to comment on current usage of the term.”
I have repeatedly stated I am not qualified to comment on the current usage, since I am no longer sufficiently exposed to Japanese conversation, whilst clearly querying your fallacious reference to the use of equivalent korean term in korea in 1919 (see #69 which clealry quotes the part I am contesting). Which finally you seem to agree with “Robert’s Japanese coworker does not have to be 100 years old to know if Chosenjin is being used in a negative way in Japan today.” while simultaneously trying to diasagree with me.
I came across the below comment at another Korea-centric blog. The topic was about English teachers whose contracts have been unilaterally canceled by the MOE. These teachers purchased non-refundable airline tickets and are now SOL.
And here I was thinking hot ‘n juicy just described the tarts at Indian Joes.
the true state of American medical care and its costs.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/08/2...../index.htm
white lady comes in for abdominal pain. CT of abdomen was ordered. The white lady asks, how much is that gonna cost me?
black lady comes in for shoulder pain after motor vehicle accident. 10 days later. Gets shoulder X ray. X ray shows no fracture, no dislocation. Prescription written for muscle relaxant. She only asks how much the muscle relaxant costs. $20, I look it up and tell her. She gasps. She says she cannot afford that. I ask her how she eats. She mumbles something, while flashing her over decorated hands with the bling bling bling. Me thinks she probably has no intention of paying for paying for ER visit nor the X ray. Those jems can’t all be fake. I would be offended to wear fake jewelry.
I think the only ones screwed in the US of actual healthcare are white lower middle class people who don’t get it from their jobs, aged 21 to 64.
Interestingly, they oppose more government spending and higher taxes.
the new healthcare bill makes no mention of the following curious things.
1/ no penalty on the consumer end for abusing healthcare providers, their time, and their effort. I definitely sense a wider abuse of government resources from African Americans. I think it’s pretty much the attitude that ‘this is not really my government, I’m angry at it, and I’m gonna milk what I perceive is free’. Illegal Latinos do that, too.
2/ no penalty on the lawyers. Just today, I watched Goldwater’s tv advertising about the dangers of a lidocaine patch, the dangers of reglan, the dangers of heparin. Heparin for a whole bunch of inpatients and so is reglan. I guess the lawyers should sue every hospital and start collecting. They don’t do these kind of tv ads in Korea, Japan, Britain, France, Germany, to my guess. The President of America is a lawyer, his party is funded by lawyers, and Congress is made of lawyers.
3/ no mention of how to charge illegal immigrants for their healthcare.
hell yeah, this shit goes on 24/7. Curiously, it lets up on everyone’s favorite time to sleep. Early Sunday AM.
Interesting, but Doosan’s North American offices (the ones that manage Bobcat) are being relocated from Charlotte, NC to Atlanta, GA.
http://charlotte.bizjournals.c.....%5E1895191
The main reason appears to be that Atlanta has a larger Korean community. However, North Carolinians are not pleased that Doosan is moving their hq to Atlanta given that they just opened it up barely a year ago. In all fairness, Atlanta has direct flights to Korea whereas Charlotte does not.
Former hagwon teacher opens up a Korean restaurant in Wisconsin…
http://volumeone.org/magazine/.....ecret.html
I finally got my lazy fingers typing and blogged about the Vera Hohleiter controversy.
http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=1030
shaku, write about nakadashi, enema, urolangia and Japan. You coward.
and rape as entertainment in Japan.
Rape-Entertainment for men-In Japan.
wjk, you really are a lazy buggar. Can’t you do your own research into your interests.
#85: Matt, a decent write up, although you write like a lad who’s been cock blocked even by his own right hand. Hope to read more of your k-blog coattailing in the future mate, although I think ya need a cooler domain name mate.
# 89,
Reminds me of the time my friend’s Japanese gf brought her friends and we all had dinner. I thought I’d impress them with my knowledge of Japanese history… they told me only geeks know that much about Japanese history and laughed at me… there and then I found out that simply knowing a lot about Japan or being some sort of Japanophile wasn’t going to get me laid.
You should have told ‘em Korea gave ‘em all their culture. Would’ve gotten you a gratitude hand job.
Nah, they would have thought I was a bigger nerd and a nationalistic one at that.
Trying to convince them that I’m Yonsama (or Lee Byung-hun) would have worked better…
Brave guy…
http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=12162
Wangkon,
Great video…and a reminder of just how thuggish Japan can be.
The writer of the piece, though, is clearly an idiot. Unfortunately, too many Americans who find their way to Japan wind up becoming apologists for the place. “James” needs to come home and rediscover his American roots.
DLB
Some ppl stay away from home too long…
Mr. Wangkon, I think you’d have much much better chance with that if you offer them free korean lessons.
Gee, I don’t know JW. Sounds like a big time commitment. Can you tell me if this technique has worked for you personally?
I plead the fifth
WangKon936, Doosan didn’t actually open that Charlotte facility, but rather inherited it from Ingersoll-Rand when they bought Bobcat. Bobcat’s skid steer loaders formed the basis of DIA, but skid loaders are not all that Doosan Infracore is about. Aside from excavators, Doosan also builds engines and air compressors, and these are within the province of DII. DII already had a distribution center in Atlanta, and this realignment simply allows the company to reduce costs and increase efficiency.
The article’s claim about a sizable Korean population being behind the move is likewise off the mark. It’s true that Charlotte doesn’t have much of a Korean-American population, but had the company wished to locate to an American port with a large Korean population, they would have set up shop in Los Angeles instead. Regardless, Doosan Infracore isn’t likely to form its strategic decisions based on non-critical factors.
Thanks gbnhj.
Someone out there apparently thinks that Lee Myung-bak and Marilyn Manson were separated at birth. Disagree?
You be the judge!
http://files.myopera.com/zariski/blog/2mb.jpg
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