Open Thread #111

by Robert Koehler on August 1, 2009

in Open Thread

Oh, and congratulations to the late Heo Jun (not to be confused with the still very-much-alive Huer Jon), whose 17th century tract on Eastern medicine, the Donguibogam, has been named to UNESCO’s Memory of the World Register.

Oh, and for your viewing enjoyment, here’s a Livejournal post on the Art Deco architecture of Napier, Kiwiland.

UPDATE: Oh, and because you want to know, actress and Marmot’s Hole favorite Han Chae-yeong apparently impressed “GI Joe” producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura and director Stephen Sommers at a welcoming party in Seoul. And Korean Playboy model and fellow blog favorite Lee Pani will be appearing in a zainichi-directed Hollywood short film to play at next year’s Sundance Film Festival.

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1 mkaplan August 1, 2009 at 9:52 am

“…17th century track on Eastern medicine”

It’s called “tract”. Not “track”.

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2 R. Elgin August 1, 2009 at 10:32 am

The fun continues . . .

The U.S. Government stealing from itself: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08.....marks.html

Parts of the U.S. are going bankrupt:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08.....abama.html

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3 mkaplan August 1, 2009 at 10:43 am

“…Han Chae-yeong apparently impressed “GI Joe” producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura and director Stephen Sommers at a welcoming party in Seoul”

I think we all know what that means……….

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4 SomeguyinKorea August 1, 2009 at 11:05 am

Elgin,

What never ceases to amaze me is the amount doublespeak to describe your government’s spending.

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5 SomeguyinKorea August 1, 2009 at 11:08 am

…used to describe…

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6 KrZ August 1, 2009 at 11:17 am

Parts of the U.S. are going bankrupt:

FTFA;

“Outside of the city of Detroit,” said Robert A. Kurrter, a managing director with Moody’s Investors Service, “it’s fair to say we haven’t seen any place in America with the severity of problems that they’re experiencing in Jefferson County.” Moody’s rates Jefferson County’s credit lower than any other municipality in the country.

It’s just one county in Alabama for God’s sake. With a number of idiotic, deceitful factors contributing to their downfall no less.

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7 dry August 1, 2009 at 11:34 am

Speaking of which, anyone in the US gonna taking advantage of the cash for clunkers thing going on? If only I stayed there for another year…

Oh, and a tad old, but having watched this bit today, the first part with the little black girls was kinda painful (though I think blaming it all on the white man is off…)

http://video.google.com/videop.....3095749295

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8 Sperwer August 1, 2009 at 12:08 pm

IMF II? :

http://www.upi.com/Business_Ne.....249070772/

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9 SomeguyinKorea August 1, 2009 at 12:19 pm

dry,

Automakers aren’t crazy about the program (they cite concerns about being reimbursed, but I think they’d rather keep the old cars on the road since replacement parts are a huge part of their business).

http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/3....._no_deals/

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10 KrZ August 1, 2009 at 12:23 pm

@8

Still seems pretty low in comparison to the rest of the world;

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2186rank.html

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11 cm August 1, 2009 at 12:54 pm

“Sperwer August 1, 2009 at 12:08 pm
IMF II? :”

We all know you’re wishing for it Sperwer. You’d be the first one to jump up with joy.

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12 Adams-awry August 1, 2009 at 1:21 pm

RAGDOLL PHYSICS

Reading through this I was hoping there’d be a Korean connexion so I wouldn’t feel bad about offering it to the readers here. [i.e. spamming you.] Then I found this nugget:

…and entered his first MMA fight with a background in Tae Kwon Do. To put this into perspective, that’s like entering a bullfight with a background in semen drinking.

Enjoy.

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13 Granfalloon August 1, 2009 at 1:25 pm

So when I left Korea a few weeks ago to visit my family, Immigration apparently canceled my visa. At least that’s when they told me a few days ago when I re-entered the country. That, and also that I’ll have to do a visa run if I want to work anywhere in September. I guess I figured what with me telling the exit guy I was leaving for vacation, and then him letting me keep my alien card, and my own silly predilection for things that make sense, that I wouldn’t have any problems with this trip. I guess I was wrong.

Motherfuckers.

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14 tbonetylr August 1, 2009 at 2:06 pm

Granfalloon
Perhaps your visa expired? If not and they mistakenly cancelled it, you’d still have to do a visa run correct? Since you think it was a mistake you didn’t surrender the ARC upon your return did you? I’d be at the Immigration office trying to straighten things out or to get a second opinion.

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15 Granfalloon August 1, 2009 at 2:15 pm

tbone,
Oh, my visa wasn’t due to expire until the end of August. And in case anyone at Immigration still thought I was cutting it too close, I had a copy of my new, 2009-2010 contract with me. Assholes canceled it anyway.

Unfortunately, upon re-entry, Immigration confiscated my ARC. If they had done that upon my exit, like they’re supposed to, I at least would have known what’s going on and been in a position to rectify it. Nothing I can do now but bend over.

Motherfuckers.

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16 hardyandtiny August 1, 2009 at 4:56 pm

Why not pronounce the S in McDonald’s?

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17 hardyandtiny August 1, 2009 at 5:02 pm

Seoul magazine July 2009…best cover ever.

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18 Adams-awry August 1, 2009 at 5:19 pm

Why? Camel-toe?

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19 Sperwer August 1, 2009 at 6:19 pm

We all know you’re wishing for it Sperwer. You’d be the first one to jump up with joy.

YOU (not the royal “we”) don’t know shit. Wait, I take that back, that’s precisely what, and all, you know.

I have no wish for any such thing. If you’re not willing to just take my word on that, consider that almost half my income is Korean source, and could be adversely affected if Korea went south economically again.

I also don’t think it likely to happen, but find it interesting that the basis for the IMF concern is other nations’ “perceptions”. It would have been helpful if the report unpacked that suitcase – particularly because, as KrZ pointed out in an intelligent comment (as did the article itself) Korea’s allegedly unfavorable public debt to GDP ratio is actually better than that of many in the so-called Advanced Group of 20. That suggests that one or more other considerations, besides the govdebt/GDP ration is driving those “perceptions”.

One can speculate about what those are, but a competent journalistic report would have elucidated the point. I mentioned the report here in the hope that it might attract something that shed some light on the issue – something, in other words, more than your brand of stupidity.

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20 shakuhachi August 1, 2009 at 7:38 pm

Just paying it forward…

http://www.dontevenreply.com

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21 Mizar5 August 1, 2009 at 8:20 pm

I never laughed so hard in my life shak.

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22 wookinponub August 1, 2009 at 9:05 pm

That left me with a hint of Onion in my mouth.

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23 Mizar5 August 1, 2009 at 9:05 pm

@ 7 dry, It was good to be reminded of internal racism and the influence of the media. To that point, we see a lot of internal racism directed against white males these days. They are portrayed as stupid and discriminate against themselves. At bottom, it is not really a racial issue, but a self-acceptance issue. No matter who you are, you are going to encounter it.

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24 Mizar5 August 1, 2009 at 9:37 pm

I particularly admire how Tyra called out the Korean girl for her failure to recognize the internalized racism of double eyelid surgery. Tbere are important issues that we all need to expore where self identity is concerned.

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25 Mizar5 August 1, 2009 at 10:05 pm

Thanks for the video, dry. For me, the most serious part is the segment on anti-Arab racism. This is no longer just a self-identity issue but one of world peace. Everyone should watch it.

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26 hardyandtiny August 1, 2009 at 11:33 pm

Smokin!

NSFW

http://www.raysoda.com/Com/Pho.....p;p=684202

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27 Sonagi August 2, 2009 at 12:10 am

I particularly admire how Tyra called out the Korean girl for her failure to recognize the internalized racism of double eyelid surgery.

Double eyelid surgery is not internalized racism. A visible fold makes the eyes look larger. Large eyes are considered attractive in many cultures because they seem youthful. Children’s eyes are large relative to their faces, and the eyes of older people seem smaller because of eyelid droop. Koreans who undergo eyelid surgery are striving for a feature that some Koreans are born with.

Early eyelid surgery looked very unnatural with large, puffy lids. Lee Seung-yeon in the early 90s comes to mind. Once surgeons figured out how to suck the fat out of the upper lid, they were able to create a more natural-looking Asian appearance with a thin fold. Some surgeries still result in anime-like bug eyes because the surgeon took out too much tissue.

Not only middle-aged but some young Westerners also get brow lifts to make their eyes look bigger. One tragic young victim of brow lift surgery gone horribly wrong is 22-year-old country singer Kellie Pickler.

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28 SomeguyinKorea August 2, 2009 at 12:52 am

Sonagi,

Notice how Tyra didn’t mention her nose job?

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29 Nix August 2, 2009 at 1:11 am

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/ww.....49443.html
>Home-Made Satellite to Be Launched on Aug. 11

I smiled at bit, someone needs to tell them that Homemade doesn’t mean exactly what they think it means.

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30 Mizar5 August 2, 2009 at 3:38 am

“Double eyelid surgery is not internalized racism. A visible fold makes the eyes look ”

Yes, I’m aware of that. It’s a good rationalization if unexamined. And a natural one as internalized racism is of course unconscious. But it does not always make the eye appear bigger.

“SomeguyinKorea:”Notice how Tyra didn’t mention her nose job?”

Yes, but she did mention her hair weave, and acknowledged what she was doing and her awareness of it. As a society, Koreans are just not yet ready to pumb the depths of their psychological motivations.

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31 Mizar5 August 2, 2009 at 3:41 am

Also, the other common facial cosmetic surgeries in Korea include enlargment of the nose bridge, tatooing of eyebrows, pinching of the nostrils – all in emulation of caucasian features.

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32 mkaplan August 2, 2009 at 6:57 am

This debate Mizar5 is having with some of the other commenters here is ultimately pointless because it’s between assertions and conclusions logically derived from different premises. There’s a fundamental disagreement between the basic premises you start from.

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33 KrZ August 2, 2009 at 7:23 am

I wouldn’t call most of what goes on here a “debate.” More like pompous, pseudo-intellectual foreign wankers who like to spout their literary garbage all over the Internet while feeling smug.

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34 mkaplan August 2, 2009 at 9:09 am

KrZ,

That sounds about right.

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35 dry August 2, 2009 at 10:35 am

#27 Noo not Kellie Pickler…she was so sweet on American Idol and looked perfectly fine. Sigh…..

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36 Arghaeri August 2, 2009 at 11:49 am

# So you feel right at home then KrZ ;-)

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37 Mizar5 August 2, 2009 at 11:55 am

I am not aware of any disagreement, debate or differing premises – just a guy smugly making assertions that there are.

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38 Mizar5 August 2, 2009 at 11:58 am

Arghaeri, some people apparently don’t grasp the concept of communication – it all has to be black and white and high drama I suppose.

Too bad maturity doesn’t come in a bottle, eh?

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39 SomeguyinKorea August 2, 2009 at 12:25 pm

“Yes, but she did mention her hair weave, and acknowledged what she was doing and her awareness of it. ”

Actually, the hair weave comes off if she it wants to, the guest’s eye surgery (and her nose job) doesn’t. The implications seem clear.

You see, Tyra Banks is prone to making self-serving and contradictory statements. Her reality show is rife with examples of this. She’ll tell one contestant she shouldn’t lose weight when she wants to be on the record as saying that big is beautiful (at around the time unflattering pictures of Tyra in a bathing suit were published), but then a few episodes into the season she’ll tell another girl that she needs to lose weight. But, my favorite example of her inconsistency is when she strongly criticized a contestant for wanting to use modeling as a platform for starting a cosmetics company. Tyra the model/TV actress/movie actress/reality show hostess/daytime talk show hostess/TV producer went on a rant about how modeling is not a part-time job and requires commitment before she kicked the contestant off the show to make her point.

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40 Mizar5 August 2, 2009 at 12:33 pm

What do you want from Trya Banks? She’s a fashion model, not an intellectual model. And if you say she makes contradictory statements, OK people often do. Could it be that you expect more from people just because they’re celebrities?

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41 KrZ August 2, 2009 at 12:42 pm

This is the most horrible video I have ever posted, and that is saying something. However, people were saying this bitch speaks Korean in some of her other videos. I want to hunt her down for what she does.

http://fuckingshocking.com/ind.....bunny_pt_3

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42 Mizar5 August 2, 2009 at 12:42 pm

Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)
Walt Whitman, “Song of Myself”

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43 Mizar5 August 2, 2009 at 12:43 pm

Not gunna do it, KrZ.

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44 KrZ August 2, 2009 at 12:48 pm

Don’t be a wimp. We need to find her for great justice.

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45 Mizar5 August 2, 2009 at 12:55 pm

“Lindsay Lohan: I like to shock people

That’s the most amazing and unbelievable headline so far this year. It’s right up there with these gems:

Amy Winehouse: I like to drink and take drugs
Oprah Winfrey: I like to eat bon bons
Richard Simmons: I’m gay
Paris Hilton: I like to act skanky

If Lindsay Lohan really wants to shock people, she should give up the booze and drugs and dedicate herself to making good movies.

- Robert Paul Reyes

The impulse to shock people is infantile, probably associated with a fixation at the anal stage of development.

KrZ, to crib Robert Paul Reyes, if you really want to shock people, post something interesting.

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46 KrZ August 2, 2009 at 1:01 pm

As a society, Koreans are just not yet ready to pumb the depths of their psychological motivations.

Post something interesting? Like this?

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47 Mizar5 August 2, 2009 at 1:03 pm

Yawn. What else ya got?

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48 Mizar5 August 2, 2009 at 1:30 pm

For those of you who can’t get beyond doo doo and ka ka, here’s one pandering to your level of sophistication:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3j2ajWTTQ8

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49 dry August 2, 2009 at 1:39 pm

KrZ: Yes that was awful. Nearly as bad as that Wang Jeu kitten video that someone once emailed me, knowing that I habitually click on all given links o.o;

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50 dry August 2, 2009 at 1:41 pm

er…Jue it seems…

Speaking of which, is that even a common Chinese name? Hmm…

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51 Nix August 2, 2009 at 1:58 pm

This thread needs more animal abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ExZVimjST8

But it’s okay, I’m pretty sure that Bee gets killed by jews later on. Best children show ever.

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52 kpmsprtd August 2, 2009 at 3:30 pm

You scarred me for life with your 1 Man 1 Jar link (don’t look for it–ever!!!), KrZ. But you didn’t get me a second time. I thought I looked at some sick shit, but I pale in comparison.

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53 baduk August 3, 2009 at 7:32 am

IMF is wasting words. Koreans are thick.

They will notice NK nuke is real only a city is wiped out. Till then, everyone in Korea believes NK nuke is not a threat.

When an entire city disappears and cadavers line streets, then and only then it will dawn on them that a nuclear weapon can really kill. Koreans are thick. Very slow in some areas.

Some day, may be very soon, what happened in Japan during 1980s will happen in Korea. All apartment prices will be halved. A one-million dollar apartment will be sold for $500,000 or less. Only after the bubble bursts, then and only then they will realize the real estate cannot go up forever.

However, do not talk to Koreans that it happened in Japan. They will not believe. They do not want to know. Ignorance is bliss.

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54 SomeguyinKorea August 3, 2009 at 8:08 am

“What do you want from Trya Banks? She’s a fashion model, not an intellectual model. And if you say she makes contradictory statements, OK people often do. Could it be that you expect more from people just because they’re celebrities?”

No, I just find it amusing that for some people, she is an intellectual model when she’s clearly not.

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55 SomeguyinKorea August 3, 2009 at 8:09 am

…correction, when she clearly shouldn’t.

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56 Mizar5 August 3, 2009 at 9:22 am

Well, someguy, that’s certainly true. On the other hand, just as a broken clock is right twice a day, even an otherwise flawed individual has an occassional moment of insight.

Let me also note that I found it interesting that makaplan saw this as an either/or issue, and Mr. Doo Doo Kaka seized on this as an opportunity to knock the top hat off a pompous intellectual. Neither appeared to acknowledge the multifaceted complexity of human nature and difference between nuanced discussions and subjective arguments.

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57 JW August 3, 2009 at 9:54 am

“3일 삼성증권에 따르면 삼성전자는 D램의 세계 점유율이 지난해 1분기 26.8%에서 지속적으로 오르며 그해 4분기 30%대에 진입한 뒤 올해 2분기에는 37.2%에 달한 것으로 추정됐다. ”

My word…10 point increase in world market share in one frikken year for Samsung DRAM. Wall street done Korea a big favor, if I reckon this correctly. Amazing how things turn out sometimes.

http://news.chosun.com/site/da.....00162.html

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58 Arghaeri August 3, 2009 at 1:55 pm

#55 Someguy, I don’t understand your correction, looked fine before?

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59 SomeguyinKorea August 3, 2009 at 2:42 pm

Argh,

Yes, but that’s what I originally meant to write. I meant to refer to her fans’ opinion of her, not of my own.

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60 cmm August 3, 2009 at 4:20 pm

slow day in the M-Hole.

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61 John from Daejeon August 3, 2009 at 9:09 pm

For those who like baseball. This is one hell of a catch–bare handed and with a toddler and a drink in the other one.

http://www.asylum.com/2009/07/.....p-toddler/

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62 SomeguyinKorea August 5, 2009 at 8:47 pm

Who ever said Hollywood caters to the lowest common denominator?

http://www.latimes.com/busines.....1892.story

http://latimesblogs.latimes.co.....gover.html

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