I guess it would be pointless to call for whatever contract the KT has with this assclown to be terminated for stuff like this.
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Very few people I’d punch if I ever met them. This guy is quickly becoming one of them.
A sick mind at work. Of course, pretty typical in Korea, a nation not generally known to exhibit sensitivity to others, yet hypersensitive to percieved slights of things Korean.
I’m not entirely sure how to parse this.
It it were a couple of years ago, someone could have sent Christopher Paul Neill to give him the “gimp treatment” down in Bangkok.
Mizer, that’s poor form. Stephane Peray is the whipping boy for this thread. Plenty of other threads out there for you to get your digs in at the Han. You did know that the artist is not Korean, yes?
I imagine that Mr. Peray would respond to our calls for punching and gimping him with the standard retort that he’s being “edgy,” and that uptight, PC-brigade opponents of free speech like ourselves should shut up. At least that’s what I usually hear when I tell retarded people that they’re being retarded.
Probably not but he won’t admit it. Just like when he wrote this about Linkd’s link about a woman who is not Korean by going on to generalize here based on his wrong presumption ANYWAYS.
Here is the nation’s favourite female newsreader Kim Jooha. She solos the midnight MBC News24. Listen to her voice and make that same statement you made earlier. Oh, wait, you probably cannot anyway, because you don’t live here. Keep spewing your random prejudiced wrongness and even the times when you say something insightful will be ignored by all.
Let’s try Kim Jooha again:
and her voice though you should hear her when she’s reading the news to really appreciate it
Ok, Yuna I don’t get your point. I listened to Kim Joo Ha’s youtube clip, and I think she’s the announcer with the fairly deep announcing voice. But, how is that related to the comic strip?
She was referring to this comment in the naked news thread:
Lol. See the irony of that remark? Looks like I struck a nerve with Yuna, who has enlisted armies of stawmen to defend her offended Korean womanhood. Well, of course, the last resort of a scoundral is the prejudice card. Along with flailing misrepresentations. And what made her think I was referring either to Kim Jooha or Linkd’s “womn who is not Korean?”
The acid test of ideological bias is this: others are not entitled to generalized observations or opinions about their sacred cows (pardon the pun), while theirs are expected to stand on their own merit, regardless of accuracy.
So ask yourself, my little sock puppet, whose presumption was wrong again,
The point of the thread was that KT gives a forum to this idiot. And my point is that it is quite in line with Korean cartoons that portray blacks with bones in their noses.
@Mizar All I can say is “whaa?” Worse still, it shows you in an unflattering light when you won’t admit to a simple misunderstanding which anyone can make, by giving some elaborate sock-puppet type excuse. Oh well, I will leave it to the others who can obviously see for themselves.
yup, i just knew that you were going to say that about the KT giving the ok…How did I know…tsk tsk
While it’s not usually necessary to explain a joke, no less such an obviously successful one, let me expatiate my patented sock puppet concept to my latest sockpuppet yuna. Not so much for her edification as for a self-serving opportunity to gloat about my continued ability to elicit hapless irony from willing pawns.
My caricature of Korean kneejerk nationalism was “not generally known to exhibit sensitivity to others, yet hypersensitive to percieved slights of things Korean.” Yuna reliably delivered, providing a collaborative demonstration of this. Of course she has every right to be offended, but for reasons she did not herself understand.
“you won’t admit to a simple misunderstanding which anyone can make, by giving some elaborate sock-puppet type excuse.”
Sure, I admit to misunderstandings all the time. But to assert that Mizar stated that Stephane Peray is Korean is a bit of a stretch, isn’t it? Especially given that I made no such statement, and there was even an “assclown” link to make it clear to people like you that he is not in fact Korean, that was a pretty elaborate excuse on your part, Little Miss Can’t Be Wrong.
What’s sad is that we need to point it out to you at all. Just how hard is it to parse a one sentence post which states: “I guess it would be pointless to call for whatever contract the KT has with this assclown to be terminated for stuff like this”?
Consider this a free lesson. I’ll bill you later and you can bet I’ll collect.
Fair enough, Mizar. I believe you never mistook the nationality of the cartoonist. Still, if you’re going to make a point about Koreans being exceptionally insensitive, surely you can find better threads to do it than one about an exceptionally insensitive not-Korean guy working primarily for a Thai publication. Spread the hate around, brotha.
I have no use for hate. As for dispassionate criticism, I am full of it (pun intended) and spread it quite liberally.
This thread is making my head hurt.
Mizar is right – Koreans are hypersensitive. Further, they aren’t much for empathy (or even tact, for that matter). The nationality of the cartoonist is irrelevant. If another country had run a similar cartoon depicting a beloved Korean martyr, this would be a very different thread – longer, angrier and little if any debate.
Robert is right – this guy ought to be fired – the cartoon is not only insensitive it is unfunny and it doesn’t make any sense. But maybe I’m wrong – Granfalloon and Yuna, maybe you ought to run it by some of your Iranian friends and see what they think…but, then again, I’m guessing you don’t have any Iranian friends.
@7
Oh wow, her voice is awesome.
I’ve always like deeper women voices, so much more relatable.
A female Barry White right in your own backyard? I’m moving back to Korea to see if she’ll sing ‘Can’t Get Enough of Your Love’ for me….
@John Galt : My best friend who will probably be my maid-of-honour is Iranian(though she would say she’s Persian) and I also have another friend of a friend from Iran who lives here. I also went to the Korea vs Iran game. I agree that this cartoonist is terrible. As the readers of English publication in Korea for which most Koreans do not read (and I have not much respect for), it falls on all of you readers to write in and tell the dunce who’s in charge, but to say that it’s a national characteristic based on this very post is not very apt. Mizar might do it because he wants my loving attention but his constant harping on the Koreans was getting on my nerves recently.
Then he follows it up by a round of cheap compliment to random people he is arguing with to make sure he’s got people on his side. It’s a bit juvenile really, and not very honest.
Not sure what you took to be a compliment here, yuna, but the tactic you describe seems far from juvenile and dishonest. Rather it strikes me as too diplomatic and tactful to be attributed to someone as blunt and uncouth and full of lint as me.
But I appreciate your honesty, and will agree to stop harping on Koreans for a while and go back to harping on Americans like Richardx.
@Yuna
Sorry, but isn’t the Korean Times a Korean publication?
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2009/06/137_47443.html
Further, you are proficient in English, why does it fall on “all of you readers” to object to this cartoon? You might want to run that reasoning by your Iranian friend and friends of friends.
Also, I’m not suggesting that this is a national characteristic based on this post; I’m basing my opinion on years of experience with friends, co-workers and in-laws. I’m not sure you see it, but from where I’m sitting your defensiveness on this thread is another example of Korean hypersensitivity, and your suggestion that it is the responsibility of others to take the “dunce” to task is another example Korean insensitivity to others.
I wish the Korea Times would have some cartoons about sexually predatory and drug abusing foreigners.
#25,
Trying to be offensive?
Hah! If you can call that trying. Lazy effort, NK.
john_galt: What’s up with your fetish for making assumptions about my personal life? As it happens, I do have a couple of Iranian friends (so between me and Yuna, you’re 0-2!), though I can’t fathom why it would matter.
And what in the world makes you think I’m defending Peray? I’m pretty sure I called him “retarded” in my first comment. But then again we’re up to 27 posts now, and I know that’s a lot of reading.
In fact, I never even said I disagree with anything Mizar has said. I simply said that given the evidence on THIS THREAD, it’s an odd assertion. Given the evidence on THIS THREAD, it would actually make a lot more sense to accuse Thai people of insensitivity. And given the evidence on THIS THREAD, it makes the most sense to accuse Peray of insensitivity (which is what everyone is doing). So, using THIS THREAD as a platform to attack Koreans is simply bad debating skills, and frankly, it makes both you and Mizar come off as knee-jerk, look-at-how-awful-Korea-is Han-haters. Granted, the KT ran this guy’s cartoon, so poo-poo on them. But it’s a little telling that you guys went so gleefully straight to the Korean angle. As I said before, there are plenty of other threads were assertions of Korean insensitivity would make perfect sense. But this isn’t one of them.
Granfalloon and Yuna apparently come here looking for serious discussion. How interesting…
Mizar et ilk:
quit being an asshole.
hamel, quit being a hemmorhoid.
Which I take to be a no-no, right? I mean god forbid a person risk being mistaken for one of those. That’s actually a nice way to shut down a debate, don’t you think?
I enjoy the argument that “it would actually make a lot more sense to accuse Thai people of insensitivity.”
OK, let’s demonize the Thais. Just not the Koreans. Let’s not comment on things Korean in a thread featuring content appearing in a Korean paper. Why is that? Because we might be mistaken for Han haters. And worse than that, gleeful ones.
God forbid we be gleefull. If we’re going to demonize the Thais, for god’s sake man, let’s be dour about it. We’ll demean the Thais with dour demeanor. It may not sound fun, but those are the parameters of this THREAD. No talk of Korean insensitivity, just call Perez a retard, and stop there so as not to be thought insensitive.
Oh, and while we’re at it, let’s not be assholes. I know it’s a tall order, but let’s give it our all. Let’s demean the Thais with dour demeanor, call people retards, and not be assholes.
I would like to respond to you Mizar, but I have no idea what your point is. Not sure if you know, either. I get the impression you want to be more funny than insightful. One thing I’m certain of: most of your comments have been reactions, rather than responses. You understand the difference, right?
Anyway, I get the impression that I’ve brought a knife to a pie fight, so I think it’s time for me to call it quits. Shine on, you crazy diamond.
@John-OK, to answer your question, 1.I’m lazy, this is no excuse, someone get their email address for me..I don’t want to make a log in name… 2. My primary news feed is not from the English publications in Korea but rather the Korean mainstream portal sites- therefore I don’t belong to their reader demographic, which I’m sure they’d rather hear from. Like you, I also don’t form my overall impression of the Koreans nor share it based on the KT, and I know that a lot of Koreans would find it just as distasteful. Sometimes reading Korean Korean publications makes me mad enough, and I comment on those like your typical Korean hypersensitive netizen.
As for my friends who are Iranian, this is what I think: they are probably just as disgusted as I am about it but being more mature than the hypersensitive Koreans they would try calm my indignation down by pointing out that it’s the morbid Youtube(Youkill) & actual killing clip going around on the internet that the stupid cartoonist was going after (and completely failing to convey it)- I’m betting that they probably won’t feel as mortally offended as the childish Koreans would do under the same situation. I think it was meant to bring up debates like how it compares with putting clips of the beheading of the hostages by the terrorists on the net.. But I’ll make sure I ask my friends when I see them next time,
I perused through the cartoonist’s other work on that link. He draws to shock, but there is nothing clever there or nothing that makes me smile with recognition – a component which I think a good political satire should consist of- therefore, I don’t like his style.
Nor do I like the Korean Government’s WTF sorry attempt at humour recently with 대한 늬우스 or that other stupid “Find a Spy” thingamajig, but I wrote at length about this with links on that “Find a Spy” or “post which got swallowed by spam (a spot of fishing? any admin?)
What’s a pie without a knife, Granfalloon? Of course I haven’t an inkling of whatever it is I’m going on about, but I expected better of you. Actually, that was a perfect way to bow out – with grace and humor, and a hint of well-deserved admonition.
@yuna
This obnoxious American owes you an apology. Thank you for bringing some sanity to this thread. Your response was thoughtful and genuinely refreshing. I put too fine a point on my argument – no offense intended.
Even if you were joking in a facetious way in #35, (and if you weren’t, I apologize) no apology needed. I like arguing – I’m a Korean after all.
If I may opine here, common sense and logic have nothing to do with nationality. If Korea and the US are to be truely urbane nations, people must hold themselves to the SAME standards. In my criticisms, I am careful to apply identical standards toall – Korean and American alike.
That is to say, I fault Korean exceptionalism every bit as much as I fault the US exceptionalism of GW Bush’s neocons. I fault anti foreign prejudice of Koreans and Americans alike, applying a single standard to all.
When the US violated this standard under GWBush, the world spoke out plainly. In the same way, the universe of people who know Korea speak out plainly against these same things when they occur in Korean society. Don’t make the mistake of falling into the pattern of American conservatives, questioning the motives of those who criticize evil. It’s easy to call names – “prejudiced, anti-Korean, dishonest”, etc. But it’s more effictacious to attempt to understand where someone is coming from when they offer valid political and cultural criticisms.
While I wrote that Korea is “a nation not generally known to exhibit sensitivity to others, yet hypersensitive to percieved slights of things Korean”, I could just as easily characterized the US as a nation of people who are too intellectually lazy to elect any ass who works contrary to their economic interests while stoking their cultural hot-buttons.
Everyone has faults and denial is not the way to handle them.
Now, I have no personal agenda in making generalizations about certain cultural groups as I am just an anonomous sock puppet. But I have an intellectual agenda, and let me specify what it is: to promote analysis and reason over cultural conditioning.
Correction: I meant that the US is a nation of people who are too intellectually lazy [BUT] to elect any ass who works contrary to their economic interests while stoking their cultural hot-buttons.
@yuna
No joke.
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