N. Korean Students Homestay in Canada?

by Robert Koehler on May 18, 2009

The Donga Ilbo, quoting RFA (which in turn quotes a Canadian civic group), reports that North Korean students are going to Canada to study English.

In 1998, two North Korean professors went to the UK for a summer to learn English at the invitation of the British government, but this is the first time we’ve learned of North Korean students going.

English education up North is an elite thing primarily focused on provincial foreign language high schools and leading to university English lit departments. They teach English in North Korean middle schools, but the quality of instructors is low, as is student enthusiasm. With contact shut off to the English speaking nations of Great Britain and North America, with which North Korean shares hostile relations, only a handful of professors at elite English education bodies at places like Kim Il-sung University or Pyongyang Foreign Language University have experience studying in places like Tanzania and India. Since the fall of the Berlin Wall, it’s stopped doing even that.

But while relations with the United States have worsened over the eight years of the Bush administration, the door to learning English has opened widely. North Korea has accepted since 2002 about 10 British English teachers through the British Council. These teachers went on one-year contracts, but are reportedly still there at the request of North Korea. In 2007, the two countries agreed to send additional teachers.

North Korea has also asked British and North American civic groups to send teachers, and in fact, US and Canadian civic groups have responded by sending bodies. One university professor who lived in the United States reportedly taught at Kim Il-sung University for over four years.

Expensive private language institutes are appearing in North Korea, too. North Korean defectors say there are even English tutors who charge 100,000 won for half-a-day’s work in a country where the average worker makes 20,000-30,000 won a month. Near the Chinese border, Chinese language tutors are all the rage. This is particularly the case with the children of high officials — if the kids go through an elite English course and the parents through their weight around some, the chances are higher their kids will get a good position as a diplomat or some other profession they can earn dollars at.

When he met with visiting British parliamentarians in February, Supreme People’s Assembly chairman Choi Tae-bok reportedly said his granddaughter was learning English from a British teacher, and asked for more instructors. Just saying you major in English at an elite university is a status thing in North Korea. Having a South Korean book will usually get you arrested in North Korea, but an exception is made with English dictionaries… as long as the word “Daehanminguk” (Republic of Korea) is erased.

The English boom shows the elite’s desire to interact with the outside world and their foresightedness to prepare for the future. It indirectly shows that the North Korean elite believe their children’s generation will definitely open up, and when they do, foreign language skills will be most important. Even if they can’t use it now, the elite believe that their monopoly on foreign language skills will earn them power and money in the near future.

Marmot’s Note: RFA also reports that North Korea has experienced a rise in drug crimes, so the authorities have declared their own war on drugs.

Hmm… an increase in English teachers and a rise in drug offenses.

Coincidence? I think not.

At any rate, our Canadian cousins might want to hold off on booking that flight to Pyongyang.

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1 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 May 18, 2009 at 2:41 pm

what are they going to do with male English teachers banging the local women
?

2 ihaveseoul May 18, 2009 at 3:26 pm

“Hmm… an increase in English teachers and a rise in drug offenses.

Coincidence? I think not.”

Wow Robert… it never ends. We get it.. you have accepted the stereotype that English teachers are a bunch for sex-lusting, drug-induced/addicted heathens without a future. Can we hit the stop button soon? It is starting to just sound like a bunch of repetitive drivel that I would prefer goes away as it is the only detractor from what is otherwise a great blog.

3 skindleshanks May 18, 2009 at 3:29 pm

As far as I know, there have been a small contingent of North Korean Students at Trinity Western University in BC for a few years now.

4 Pyotr May 18, 2009 at 3:44 pm

… and the parents through their weight around some…

We have some great ESL courses up north. Please contact us if you’re interested!

5 Granfalloon May 18, 2009 at 3:51 pm

“Coincidence? I think not.”

Is that I joke? I honestly can’t tell anymore.

6 gbnhj May 18, 2009 at 4:08 pm

North Korea and Canada: the new Axis of English.

7 valkilmerisiceman May 18, 2009 at 4:41 pm

yeow. methinks the sarcasm detector is off on some of those reading this.

8 tmc1233 May 18, 2009 at 4:58 pm

” Wow Robert… it never ends. We get it.. you have accepted the stereotype that English teachers are a bunch for sex-lusting, drug-induced/addicted heathens without a future. Can we hit the stop button soon? It is starting to just sound like a bunch of repetitive drivel that I would prefer goes away as it is the only detractor from what is otherwise a great blog.”

Amen to that. While I can accept and laugh at the occasional sarcastic remark at the expense of myself and every other English teacher here, it is getting REALLY tedious to come here day after day only to see Robert having yet another go at those of us who choose to teach English here in Korea. Um, I passed my drug test Robert. Where is your proof of not using drugs?

9 Robert Koehler May 18, 2009 at 5:02 pm

Oh, poo.

10 R. Elgin May 18, 2009 at 5:18 pm

“Coincidence? I think not.”

Tee-hee!

11 eujin May 18, 2009 at 6:10 pm

With contact shut off to the English speaking nations of Great Britain and North America, with which North Korean shares hostile relations,

The United Kingdom does not have hostile relations with North Korea. There is a British Embassy in Pyongyang and the ambassador thinks North Korea is a great place. There’s even (or used to be) a Juche study group in Winchester in the fair county of Hampshire.

I now get to ask a question that I’ve been meaning to ask for a while. I had thought that it was illegal for North Koreans to marry foreigners. But then a few weeks ago a friend told me she had been dumped by a Chinese guy who went off with a North Korean woman (in North Korea). I asked if this was a illegal and she said “no”. She even reckoned that there are quite a few foreigner-Korean couples living in North Korea. Can anyone confirm/refute this?

12 hoju_saram May 18, 2009 at 7:46 pm

Christ, and I thought Koreans were supposed to be hypersensitive. The Marmot is kidding folks. Now fuck off and smoke some more hash.

13 WeikuBoy May 18, 2009 at 9:28 pm

“. . . sex-lusting, drug-induced/addicted heathens without a future. “

You say that as if it’s a bad thing.

14 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 May 18, 2009 at 9:35 pm

If Dresnok can do it without a high school diploma, it can’t be that hard.

15 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 May 18, 2009 at 9:42 pm

here’s the smackdown.
God save the Queen.

If the Quebecois had taken over the language in Canada, then
we would not see a single Canadian English teacher in Korea.

I’m serious. There would be hardly any from Canada teaching English in Korea, Japan, China, etc.

Get a younger pic of the Queen of England, and admire it every morning. You ARE part of the commonwealth, are you not?

Hey, I want to supplement my resident physician income of 45k a year by teaching conversational Korean in Alabama. What? The Korean language isn’t spoken outside of the Korean peninsula? I guess the Koreans were shitty at conquering, ravaging, forcing our will on other people.

16 hoju_saram May 18, 2009 at 10:32 pm

I guess the Koreans were shitty at conquering, ravaging, forcing our will on other people

Yes, you just did it to each other.

17 Seth Gecko May 18, 2009 at 11:53 pm

Isn’t teaching English to Norks paramount to assisting terrorism? I mean, really, they probably want to learn English so they can translate intercepted messages.

On a related note, I can’t stand the idiot English teachers that go on North Korean tours, ignoring the fact that their money provides for an oppressive government.

And the Gaesong complex should be outlawed, and South Korea should be chided by the international community. The SK companies pay slave wages NOT to the workers, but directly to the N. Korean government.

And we can’t even decide not to support the Gaesong companies, because I believe products made there simply have “Made in Korea” tags on them (at least the products for sale here in S.K.).

18 Granfalloon May 19, 2009 at 8:07 am

Seth Gecko:
I’ve wrestled with that notion as well, because I’ve thought about teaching in North Korea (practical concerns aside). On the one hand, I agree with you that North Korea would almost certainly find ways of exploiting my English lessons in ways I find objectionable. On the other hand, if North Korea is ever going to be anything other than a state of ass-backwards half-starved thugs, they’re going to need engagement with the outside world (Dr. Lankov has written about this). This engagement would certainly include learning English.

19 Linkd May 19, 2009 at 9:46 am

On a related note, I can’t stand the [people] that go on North Korean tours, ignoring the fact that their money provides for an oppressive government.

I feel the same about Cuba, after, admittedly, having gone there and seen for myself what an oppressive disaster of a country it is.

20 McGenghis May 19, 2009 at 10:57 am

WJK: the old bird is all over our money, so every financial transaction is a tip of the hat to her. And I thank her every morning that she saved my Anglo ass from the pillaging Quebecois. It was a close one, though.

21 Seth Gecko May 19, 2009 at 12:17 pm

On the other hand, if North Korea is ever going to be anything other than a state of ass-backwards half-starved thugs, they’re going to need engagement with the outside world (Dr. Lankov has written about this). This engagement would certainly include learning English.

I think that the “ass-backwards half-starved thugs” have to go, before any meaninful egagement with the outside world can work.

Granfallon, please do not teach English to North Koreans.

22 Seth Gecko May 19, 2009 at 12:17 pm

On the other hand, if North Korea is ever going to be anything other than a state of ass-backwards half-starved thugs, they’re going to need engagement with the outside world (Dr. Lankov has written about this). This engagement would certainly include learning English.

I think that the “ass-backwards half-starved thugs” have to go, before any meaningful egagement with the outside world can work.

Granfallon, please do not teach English to North Koreans.

23 Seth Gecko May 19, 2009 at 12:18 pm

Oops, sorry.

24 MrMao May 19, 2009 at 4:50 pm

If the Quebecois had taken over the language in Canada, then
we would not see a single Canadian English teacher in Korea.

That was settled round about 1759. You’re a little late.

25 Koreansentry May 20, 2009 at 11:36 am

Captain Corea should move to NK.
Anyone who doesn’t who is Captain Corea, he’s Canadian living in SK.

26 tmc1233 May 20, 2009 at 1:25 pm

“On a related note, I can’t stand the idiot English teachers that go on North Korean tours, ignoring the fact that their money provides for an oppressive government.”

..but it is OK if other idiots do it, right? Where is your proof that it is only “idiot English teachers” who go there?

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