
Lately there are two larger movie efforts in the states that feature Korean actors in main or leading roles. Notably, “Rain” will have a new movie out, entitled “Ninja Assassin” by Joel Silver and the Wachowski brothers (The Matrix) and the redoubtable John Cho (American Pie, Off Centre, Better Luck Tomorrow, Kitchen Confidential, Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle) as “Sulu” in the new “Star Trek” movie that is soon to be released. (Check out Cho’s interesting interview with Hyphen here).






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You forgot to mention Joon Park (Park Joon Hyung), of “g.o.d.” fame.
He currently stars in “Dragonball: Evolution” as “Yamcha.”
First time I saw John Cho in a film/TV setting was the short-lived comedy Off Centre. His character was just so fucking crazy that it was impossible not to notice him. Then I saw BLT, Kitchen Confidential (Haha, ‘Teddy’ is the best character in that show), Harold & Kumar… then I watched American Pie again and realized that the MILF guy was the same dude.
Going to watch Star Trek tomorrow. Heard it was really good unless you were a religious trekkie.
Where No Koreans Have Gone Before . . .
You mean straight to DVD? Hahaha… okay, that was bad.
The original Star Trek has literally no following in Korea. Koreans just never got it and did not want it. I wonder if this version will be different or will the Min jok just riff on how the Korean actor is portraying a Japanese fellow.
I hope not.
P.S. Dragonball was an embarrassment compared to these flicks. Thank G.O.D. I forgot about it.
Believe it or not, but Rain is a pretty good actor. I was quite impressed with his work in the drama series “Full House” a few years back. He was damn good. But I have doubts that even good Korean actors can successfully transfer their skills over into Hollywood roles. It will just look awkward trying to overcome the language barrier and trying to fulfill the Hollywood expectations of how their roles are played. It will be very painful to watch.
Acting in Korean is far removed from acting in English. He was awful in Speed Racer.
I’m wondering if Lee Byeong-hun will have any lines or be able to show his face in the G.I.Joe flick? Snake Eyes wasn’t known for being a chatterbox.
You also forgot Lee Byung-hun. He plays Storm Shadow in the upcoming cinematic atrocity “G.I. Joe.”
I had a bit of trouble processing the image of John Cho aka Harold Lee whipping out a sword and doing ninja flips and stuff. Thank god the fight didn’t go longer than it did, which was very short.
I mean otherwise…the movie was just AWESOME.
John Cho is NOT a Korean actor. He is an American one.
You might as well call Barak Obama a Kenyan.
Please notice the thread tag, “Korean diaspora”. Cho moved to the U.S. from Korea.
You mean cinematic AWESOMENESS
You also forgot Lee Byung Hun’s other English-language film “I Come With the Rain,” which actually looks really good. Directed by Ahn Hung Tram, of “The Scent of Green Papaya” fame.
Of course, if you are going to include Korean diaspora, then the field enlarges considerably. There are quite a few Hollywood actors of Korean heritage.
Now that’s a good idea!
I like how when Rain speaks English his voice pitches up a few octaves from rich sonorous bass to emasculate, nerdy squeaker.
This movie hasn’t come out yet but it already feels like a bust. I would still watch it and that’s only because the director involved is the same guy who made V for Vendetta, which was a decent flick.
“Best of Best” is the only Korean film in English for me. Even has a character named Dae Han. How deliciously cheesy is that?
I think I must’ve watched Best of the Best like 10 times. Not even exaggerating.
While growing up, it was like the only movie I came across where a Korean dude was the central character. Simply amazed me.
Philip Rhee is the man…
Once again, good Korean talent will be percieved as Japanese by westerners.
Yep.
Just like this indignity…
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0397535/
It’s not Rain, it’s American English. Besides Barry White, James Earl Jones, and Isaac Hayes (all of which are not very Anglo-Saxon), you all sound emasculate to my ears.
Actually, it’s common problem for second language learners of English. As his fluency in English increases, he’ll have a better understanding of the pitch patterns. Eventually, his voice will sound the same in English as it does in Korean.
Funny you mention that. My voice in English is distinctively higher than my voice in Korean. When I speak in English, I have to make a lot more nasal noises that I do not make in Korean.
I agree, mad props for Phillip Rhee.
Oddly enough, my voice gets much higher when I speak Korean than when I speak my native English. I think it’s interesting that thekorean and Rain get the opposite (or perhaps reciprocally same) effect.
funny Coz, your British people always claims British origin/heritage actors who have American citizen too.
At least they are better than some American fungfu movies with White actors playing Chinese.
I get the effect too: my voice is deeper when I speak Korean, even though I’ve been speaking both languages more or less my entire life. The difference is not very pronounced though.
I half-believe it’s genetic, as if the Korean language is biologically suited to the cadences of my voice box or whatever.
BTW, when I was growing up, I thought that dude in Best of the Best was Viet — and all Asians were the same anyway. Thusly, I had no K pride in watching that film. I do remember that villain dude with the goatee being bad-ass, though. Villain dude is Phillip’s brother, in fact.
A lot of Koreans I know speak deeper in Korean than English. I’ve often wondered why that is too.
Isn’t it obvious? The more excited you are (or nervous) the higher your pitch. This happens if it’s not your first language. It also happens in the beginning of your relationship, when your boyfriend answers the phone, happy and excited to hear from you, then drops down an octave just before the imminent breakup.
But how does that explain my own voice change? At this point I am more comfortable speaking in English — no particular excitement or nervousness associated with speaking in English here.
Wow–I don’t know about yuna’s theory (“then drops down an octave just before the imminent breakup”–yikes! sounds like someone is still in denial! kkkk), but I think people’s voices are generally higher in their second languages, for women and especially for men.
I don’t know if it’s nerves (don’t a lot of guys mumble in their native tongues when they want to avoid an issue: uhhh, errr, wanna, err, uhh, ya know, gooutwithme), as much as that the first teachers for a student of a foreign language are mostly…women!
When I was at SNU for Korean school a few years ago, I always loved seeing the foreigner guys, with their rich, baritone, Barry White-esque voices, become tonally castrated by learning Korean from many cutesy females. I can still remember my tall African American friend from the Bronx who when I told him in Korean, “hey dude, you are pretty popular with the ladies I bet”
And he said:
ah-neeeeee-yaaaaa
That was levels of awkwardness I never want to reach again. It’s like stumbling into the living room on some lazy Saturday, only to discover that your father is watching My Little Ponies and singing along, while painting his toenails some hue of like Magenta. Awk-warrrrd.
I have to concur with ElCoreano. My voice gets deeper when I speak Korean and higher pitched when I speak English.
Well is there anything to be said how there are many, many more vowels in the Korean language than in English?
Also, how more Korean words end in vowels than in English, where words tend to end in consonants or consonant-sounds?
Are you sure about that? Phonemically, I think English has more vowel sounds.
Korean has many more vowels than English? By whose count? IPA credits Standard American English with 29 distinct vowel sounds and British Received Pronunciation with 27, counting single vowels, diphthongs and r-controlled vowels. Korean has 21 monophthongs and dipthongs. However, many Korean diphthongs in which a vowel sound is preceded by /y/ or /w/ have English equivalents that are not counted as vowels in English.
English does have more final consonant sounds than Korean.
Foreigner guys? Oh, you mean foreign guys. Unlike Korean, the word “foreigner” does not generally function as a noun modifier in English because the adjective form “foreign” performs that role. The Korean language does not have an adjective form, I believe, as both 외국 and 외국인 are nouns only although both frequently modify other nouns.
Oh, come on, Sonagi. Of course everything you’re saying is correct by the book. But it’s very common to use a noun to modify “guy” in slangy English. “That lawyer guy,” “the driver guy,” “some rapper guy,” etc. It’s ubiquitous and is perfectly fine in the register in which t_song was writing.
John Cho has a good wife.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJXogSkC2kg
Yes, nervousness and insecurity plays a role (look up prosody).
As for the difference between Korean and English vowels…You should be looking at the syllables, instead. In English, syllables are given an accent, a loud stress, a lengthened vowel, and/or a high pitch. It’s somewhat different in Korean (I’m sure those of you who are more fluent in Korean than me can explain).
The latest Star Trek was a good movie.
Another movie with a Korean in it that is out: Wolverine. Daniel Henny’s character in the film is cool. It’s funny how Asian Henny looks in the Hollywood scenario. Or maybe it’s that as he ages, he’s looking more Korean. When he first came out in Korean dramas, he looked straight-up happa to me.
But she’s nihonjin!
Actually, you can’t blame John. He went to UC Berkeley where Kerri Higuchi (with make-up and a shower) would have been the fucking hottest girl there.
Now there’s a flower.
Actually I don’t think she looks too bad in the vid WJK posts up, but in the following vid of John and his wife at the Star Trek premiere, “homely” doesn’t seem like a harsh word.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdpqDt1vNvg
It’s funny because Jo’s wife is the kind of girl others here would say an expat or a white guy with Asian fetish would go out with. It’s like Bobby Lee with a wig, a bra, and mad cooking skills.
How dare you! Why I oughtta, um, er… shoot.
I’ve known quite a few girls from berkely who would shame kerri higuchi in the looks department. That said, John Cho, despite his roles in films and shows, is quite 원전 아쩌시, as he’s 36 (72년생). So his wife must also be in her 30s, so I always give her the benefit of the doubt: the couple also have a kid, so whatever.
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WK:
But she’s nihonjin!
In the immortal words of Fred Reed:
Be patient. Explain multiculturalism to me in block letters.
If my history’s right, all kinds of folk used to come to America from every whichaplace. (I’m not sure that’s a word even in West Virginia.) They’d go off to a ghetto and be miserable. You’d have Eye-talians and Irish and Jews and Scowegians, people from every place there was and probably from some there wasn’t. Weren’t.
Before long they’d start marrying right and left, apparently without looking. Pretty soon you had people named Heidi Torricelli O’Feinstein. They weren’t sure what they were any more, so they decided to be Americans and not worry about it. It made good sense, because America was where they were. This gamboling about in the gene pool produced accidental monoculturalism, and it worked pretty well.
Hostilities died out because they were too complicated to remember. I mean, if the Germans were supposed to hate the Poles, and you were half German and your grandmother was a quarter Polish, then you had to hate an eighth of your grandmother–and no man could tell which eighth. The accounting alone made it impractical. People began to get along because it was the easy way out.
It works still. I’m mostly English, and months have gone by since I’ve shot at an Irishman.
Yeah… put some make-up on them, have them shave, cut and style their hair, have them pluck some facial hair and many Cal girls can be halfway decent looking. But hey, I’m spoil… I went to a school where the chicks wanted to BE seen and took good care of themselves.
The hottest girl I saw on campus was a finalist for Ms. Hong Kong. 5-8, 125 lbs, porcelain white skin, hair so black it had natural blue highlights and 36C cups. She was in my IR 384 class, along with Leonardo Dicaprio’s brother.
@NK
But to what extent is America’s “monoculturalism” a good thing, as Mr. Reed asserts? It is true that there is a sort of hodge-podge “American” culture that is a conglomerate of people being a whole Algebra class’ worth of fractions split among 7 different ethnicities. But to what extent is White America’s lack of a cultural frame of reference (do any of you have friends who are like 1/4 Italian or 1/8 Chinese and totally side with that culture and identity–even though their parents and even their parents’ parents weren’t at all associated with said culture/country?) a direct factor of America being a country with a declining amount of community involvement–and even a sense of community itself?
The evidence is damning, as laid out in the book Bowling Alone, written by a Harvard political scientist, that Americans are a country of non-joiners. While Bowling Alone has its critics, I wonder how the lack of a “natural” community, one based on ethnicity or a shared “homeland,” sort of gave people natural communities to lean on.
And as those ethnic communities, more or less, vanished, I wonder how our now “monocultural” country has impacted people’s general disassociation with each other. It’s interesting, because as I thought about how some countries with generations of races mixing and breeding with each other, the assumption is that the country is some type of collective happy crowd. Often times, Brazil is used as a shining example of “racial democracy,” but then I found articles like: this, that, or here (careful .pdf).
I mean, whether we like it or not, multiculuralism will greet us in the next 50 or so years, but I wonder how that’ll play out exactly. And to what extent is it good?
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t-song, the notion that there is a stronger sense of community and natural belonging within the insular enclaves of shared ethnicity (what I denote as the “fish-tank”) is largely a mirage. Let us examine a specific and widely recognized case within our own Korean-American community. Take, for instance, the typical Korean-American church. Now here is an insular enclave of not only shared ethnicity but religion too. But I have witnessed too often generational and cultural schism even within the church, which common sense would assume should be a stronghold of ethnic cohesiveness. In many ways, it is. But nevertheless, generational and cultural schisms happen anyway and often within the church. So we dabble with the KM-EM model for a while and realize that doesn’t work because the stubborn parent generation is too overbearing. So the EM component splinters off from the parent church and forms independent 2nd generational congregations. So…instead of 19th century hymnals during praise we have Matt Redman and Chris Tomlin lyrics, rock bands instead of traditional choir, and cool looking posters to advertise the church. If I had to pinpoint a singular defining feature of 2G US gyopo churches, it’s the damn posters because many young KAs are talented at graphical art. But as the commentator Arghaeri shrewdly noted once, the church acts to bring into a common setting wildly divergent individuals who would otherwise have no reason to mingle. This is also true of 2G congregations as well. In fact, I would submit that the problem is worse than 1G congregations. The identity confusion/void is a common condition of young KAs growing up in America. Many are uncomfortable in their own skins. Many have been indoctrinated in the “virtues” of the pursuit of Mammon by our parents (go to a good university and get a well-paying job as doctors, lawyers, etc) as well as by American society (America can be a very work/career-oriented place compared to other societies such as Europe). This is what fills that identity void; substance of character is lacking. As a result, a vast majority of 2G congregations is imbued with a suffocating milieu of smug, self-satisfied, middle-class complacency – the very thing that church is supposed to avoid. There are hidden sources of division: instances of class snobbery (which big-name school one graduated from is apparently a big deal even amongst 2G gyopos), petty cliques, singles versus newly married couples, and even gender divide. I have noticed that 2G gyopos have a noticeable tendency to self-segregate along gender lines during fellowship, an echo of our parents generation, which itself is a residual effect of centuries of neo-Confucianism. Almost every 2nd gyopo church also makes some ridiculous lip-service claim to being a “multi-racial” community in their mission statements, which elicits a horse laugh. The true definition of “multi-racial” in the KA church sense according to actual reality is that of 99% Korean-Americans and perhaps a handful of obligatory token White guys. White females within KA congregation are like unicorn sightings and Black people, they might as well be an extinct species.
The biggest indictment of the 2G gyopo church is that it has largely failed to figure out what the role of the KA church should be within the larger context of the American society beyond “just another church but with a bunch of yellow faces”. It has failed to identify and to be lead by a compelling set of ideals and principles that can override and transcend class and gender division. There is a distinct lack of leadership in the 2G KA church community; the few that are are emasculated twats with a thwarted understanding of “humility”. This is an unfortunate consequence of having a bunch of confused, no-identity having, smug, self-satisfied poseurs, whose parents sacrificed mightily to put them through mostly glorified trade schools, who insist on getting together and playing “church”.
2G KA church eventually splinters to become this:
http://www.newsong.net/
Complete with its own intranet facebook!
#47
The evidence is damning, as laid out in the book “Bowling Alone”, written by a Harvard political scientist, that Americans are a country of non-joiners. While Bowling Alone has its critics, I wonder how the lack of a “natural” community, one based on ethnicity or a shared “homeland,” sort of gave people natural communities to lean on.
One of the major factors that has contributed to this is the predominance of the suburbia in American life. The suburbs are very isolating places; you can’t even go out to buy milk without having to get into a car. The traditional Main Street, the town square, common areas where locals can intermingle has been long supplanted by parking lots and the Shopping Mall.
James Howard Kunstler: The tragedy of suburbia
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/james_howard_kunstler_dissects_suburbia.html
@NK,
Your point about the church is quite interesting, but it also slightly supports my point. Surely, within any type of organization there is going to be a hierarchy: in the 2G churches, the top dogs are probably the Ivy League grads or the prettiest ones or the richest ones. Whatever. Really.
But for all of the community’s imperfections and walking contradictions, it still is just that — a community, housed within the confines and structure of a church, stocked with, as you mentioned, 99% Koreans.
I’m not viewing this as an argument at all, so I am very cautious here to NOT frame things as an argument, as I’d really like to hear some other perspectives on this. I’ve long bored my friends with my grand social theories.
Alas, looking at America through a wide lens, I wonder what would happen with the 2G church and its concept when we get to 3G, then 4G, and 5G. By 4G who knows how many 100% non-immigrant Koreans will be left in the country? For every chaemigyopo couples, there seems to be like three or four John Cho’s.
My deep question is, without the foundation of ethnicity (and for many 2G Koreans–a similar cultural experience), what will happen to said groups? I mean, I think the 2G church exists for many reasons, because it is this forum where 2G kids can sort of organize their lives. Like, oh your Mom beat you with wooden spoons for B+s? Or your Mom fed you green tea after meals so you’d not gain weight, too? Ok. Cool.
However, the point about suburbia is interesting for sure. ANd certainly in that same time, there was the rise of the big box retailer and the national chain. It’s interesting, and I forgot who said this, but some sociologist said in the 1950s or 60s, weary of McDonald’s and White Castle, that in the next 30 years so many of our cities in America would look the same.
I’m in Chicago, and I live in a yuppy part of town where in my morning jog, I trot by Eisenstein Bagels, 2 Starbucks, multiple Chase banks, a Caribou Coffee, a McDonald’s, a Best Buy, a Borders, a Barnes & Noble. Eek.
Never underestimate the love formed alongside the memories one’s naive university days & she looks very nice to me (just not a hot actress type). Once you enter the real world, (and Hollywood on top of that!) it will be harder to find someone afresh who doesn’t want to use you with fake boobs & plastic surgery to their gains.
@NK about the link
Kunstler is brilliant–thanks for passing it along.
Hannibal Lector Central School…brilliant!
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